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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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PaulLowrance

Quote from: gravityblock on February 10, 2010, 03:49:35 PM
BEMF is when the field collapses and cuts the wires (The "B" is for the EMF coming Back to the source).  CEMF is the EMF that is induced by the rotating magnets that is in opposition to the EMF of the pulse (The "C" is for a Counter EMF that is in opposition to the applied EMF).

You have it backwards,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electromotive_force
"Back electromotive force is a voltage that occurs in electric motors where there is relative motion between the armature of the motor and the external magnetic field."

And yes, I refer to it as a permeability motor because it relies on changes in effective permeability.

gravityblock

Quote from: lostcauses10x on February 10, 2010, 05:20:19 PM
If a moving magnetic field crosses a conductor CEMF exists. It does not have to have an existing current.

If the circuit is open, then it's not opposing anything, thus no CEMF.  Also, If the circuit is open, then it creates a static electric field in the conductor because the charges have nowhere to go.  If the charges aren't moving, then there is no magnetic field induced in the coils to oppose the mechanical motion.  A moving charge induces a magnetic field.  If the charges aren't moving, then there is no induced magnetic field.

Take a coil that is an open circuit and rotate the strongest magnets you can find at 30,000 RPM and see if the coil will drop a magnet.  It will not, because there is no induced magnetic field because the charges aren't moving in the coil.  No CEMF.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 10, 2010, 05:35:15 PM
You have it backwards,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electromotive_force
"Back electromotive force is a voltage that occurs in electric motors where there is relative motion between the armature of the motor and the external magnetic field."

I suggest you re-read the wiki article.  It states, This voltage opposes the original applied voltage; therefore, it is called "counter-electromotive force".  That is not any different than what I referred to as CEMF.  They are referring to CEMF as being electrical opposition (the effect) and BEMF as being mechanical (the cause).  One is the cause and the other is the effect.  There is no reason to over-complicate this, and I refer to both the cause and the effect as CEMF, in order to avoid confusion when talking about the BEMF due to a collapsing field in a coil.

If we know the effect (induced EMF in opposition to the applied EMF or CEMF), then the cause (mechanical energy being converted into electrical energy) should be a given. There is no need in calling the effect and the cause two different things. That is nonsense, redundant, and confusing.

The proper use for BEMF is when the field is collapsing in a coil and the proper use for CEMF is when the induced voltage is in opposition to the applied voltage.  Again, words can have different meanings according to the context they are being used in.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: lostcauses10x on February 10, 2010, 05:12:00 PM
If they had of left on voltage you would see one signal was lost due to the inductor filtering it out.
Input signals were exceedingly different due to offset magnets and coils.

That is very well said .  I finished watching the replication videos and they did turn the voltage off in test 2 and 3.  If the voltage was on during tests 2 and 3, we would have seen one signal was lost.  Why was one signal lost?  The signal was lost because the induced EMF of the lower strength magnet was canceled by the EMF of the battery and by the magnets/coils being offset.  We are only seeing the induced EMF from the magnet with the higher strength pole.  They showed in the video that one pole of a magnet was stronger than the other magnet with the opposite pole.  In test 1, the EMF of the lower strength pole didn't completely get canceled, thus we see the EMF of both magnets.

All 3 tests were demonstrating how CEMF works.  In test 3, the EMF induced by the magnets will be in the same direction as Test 2 because the direction of rotation was the same.  The polarity of the battery has nothing to do with how the magnets are inducing an EMF in the toroids.  What determines the direction of the EMF induced by the magnets are the polarity of the magnets and the direction of rotation.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Bruce_TPU

Good Evening,

A question to all of the knowledgable people on this thread:   ;D

1.  I have completely wound my metglass core (1.12") to where there is nearly no hole at all.  It is wound with 26 awg magnet wire.

2.  It has the first layer that is shorted with itself.

3.  I am using the following circuit (below) with an IRFZ30 Mosfet.

4.  I am using 5 volts, 2 amps for power.

5.  I can not use my 12 volt battery because the shorted first layer allows the current to flow and melts the wire, and I even used two 1 ohm 10 watt resistors in series and they heat up, so I did away with the 12 volt battery.

6.  Old scope is not working and I am going to order a new one.

7.  Used an LED to make sure that mosfet is switching.

Do I need to wrap another Metglass, but without shorting the first layer?

The problem is either:
1.  Shorted first layer is a problem
2.  Switching circuit is not very good
3.  2 amps is not enough current.

Any and all assistance is appreciated.  I am very good at the mechanical but need some assistance with getting this going.  I have a beautiful setup with two rotors.  One with weak magnets and one rotor with 4 pairs of strong magnets.

Thank you for your assistance,

Bruce
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1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.