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[teslaalset]

teslaalset

Nobody seems interested in orbo OU
Chet

Hi Chet,
I believe ORBO is another step towards growing insights how extra energy can be generated. Point is that this time the extra energy is a bit larger than Bedini and other magnet pulse motor principles claim.
Mainly due to the use of new core materials.

Those older 'bedini like' claims relate to extra energy that was hardly coming out of the 'noise' of measurement by replicators.

The extra energy ORBO claims is little. That is why interest is vanishing.
But the real potential is in understanding what leads to the extra energy.
Once a few people really understand, this can be brought to another level.
This will take time. Many people here don't have the patience and the drive to work on that.

But there are a few die hards that do really interesting replications.
The link I posted is just one of them.

It's a pity that only a few are really smart and persistent guys. They get beaten by many less smart and persistent guys. That group is always the majority in forums like this. In some cases the more persistent guys get fed up and leave this forum.
I am still following some of those guys that left this forum. They have their own tiny forums or blogs or use YouTube.
With some better moderation this could have been avoided.

[gravityblock]

This handbook I found on transformers and inductors is full of great information, http://books.google.com/books?id=UqJj9Ni37fEC&pg=PT23&lpg=PT23&dq=how+to+lower+the+permeability+of+a+toroid&source=bl&ots=dKtE1KYiEy&sig=mZM4GLwUMyW3X68n98kKo1OcLX0&hl=en&ei=hUiKS7b1FabKM8vu3aYB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAwQ6AEwATg8#v=onepage&q=how%20to%20lower%20the%20permeability%20of%20a%20toroid&f=false

On page 1-25 it says the area around the gap in a gapped toroid is very sensitive to metal objects.  If another ferromagnetic material is in close proximity to the gap so it conducts the magnetic field of the toroid it will cause it to short the gap and cause a higher inductance than designed which could drive the core into saturation.  Will the dual magnets cause the gap to be shorted?  I believe so.  How will the dual magnets react while shorting this gap? 

The fringing flux factor (F) due to the gap in the toroid decreases the total reluctance of the magnetic path and therefor increases the inductance by a factor, "F", to a value greater than without the gap.

If the fringing flux is strong enough then it could cause localized heating and is the same principal used in induction heating.  Does this sound familiar?

Also, the M_r or remenance is much lower in the gapped toroids which is more inline with the cores being used in the Orbo.  The old fashioned tape drives use a gapped toroid also.

I see no physical evidence the Orbo is using a gapped toroid, unless the gap is being physically hidden from our view.  When I was in high school many years ago, a guy who repaired electronics told me some tape drives could be modified to build a motor that produced more output than input.  He would not go into much details, but I remember having this conversation with him.  That was 24 years ago and I only recall very little of what he did tell me.

GB
 

[maw2432]

teslaalset

Nobody seems interested in orbo OU


Quote from: rice on February 27, 2010, 01:32:49 PM

    192 pages.  hmmm...  can any of you guys see this for what it is yet.  perhaps an efficient pulse motor.  any company who says they are not in the business of manufacturing a device of their own invention that wouldchange the world,  something wrong there.  "no thanks,  i dont want to be the richest man on earth"  o/u is out there im sure.  but once again ladies and gentlemen,  steorn does not have it....
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On the contrary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EapgzWFAh4&feature=sub

Chet

From what I see in the video,  it looks like another mistake of measuring the RPMs.   To me it looks much slower than over 1200 RPMs.   I think maybe the experimentor is getting reflections from the 4 magnets.  I can almost read the writing on the wheel as it is spinning.   Makes me wonder what other measurements are not correct.

Bill

[ramset]

Bill,
All things considered,
"Eyeballing" RPM on a vid link accross the internet
is Weak.

Chet

[maw2432]

Bill,
All things considered,
"Eyeballing" RPM on a A link accross the internet
is Weak.

Chet

Chet,  I agree about Youtube videos but I have mentioned this several times now from my "Eyeballing" and in each case the person taking the measurements came back and said I was right.   I posted a RPM measurement problem I saw on this thread earlier if you go back.   
Anyway,   it is just a caution for those of us taking measurements.   It is easy to get rapped up in some measurement data and miss a problem.   We are all learning.

Bill