Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[gotoluc]

Thanks Mags,

your version of it kind of lines up with mine and was on the list to test.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Something that just came to mind. Thane wound his coils in a random fashion from what I was told. This would put a lot of empty space in the windings. So would he have been better off winding straight and tight? How much better? Better output than Z shows with increased resistance of adding all the existing 4 wires in series?  There may be more to this, considering the level of output change. 

Mags

Hey Mags,  I forgot to answer this one.
As you may know Thane lives in my city and we've known each other before he was doing the ReGenx thing.
I do some work for him here and there and I can tell you he no longer winds his coils in random. He now takes much care to wind coils tight and keeping strands side by side.
I think you mentioned litz wire, as far as I know that's not a good choice for bifilar coils as the strands are usually twisted.
I think if you don't keep your stands next to each other as you wind and you allow then to cross back and forth you no longer have coil capacitance.

I'm not the only one who thinks along these lines. This was posted by "Farmhand" in a topic at EF

"Twisting the conductors in multifilar coils then series connecting them
will increase the inductance when the windings are connected together
as does any coils inductance increase with more turns and wire, however
the "capacity" Tesla speaks of is related to the potential difference
between adjacent turns, which twisting randomizes, a twisted coil is not
making a coil as Tesla describes in the patent and will not secure the results
the patent describes. The "self capacitance" is not the "capacity" of the coil.
The "capacity" of the coil is how much energy it can store."

Just thought I would share that

Luc

[Magluvin]

Hey Mags,  I forgot to answer this one.
As you may know Thane lives in my city and we've known each other before he was doing the ReGenx thing.
I do some work for him here and there and I can tell you he no longer winds his coils in random. He now takes much care to wind coils tight and keeping strands side by side.
I think you mentioned litz wire, as far as I know that's not a good choice for bifilar coils as the strands are usually twisted.
I think if you don't keep your stands next to each other as you wind and you allow then to cross back and forth you no longer have coil capacitance.

I'm not the only one who thinks along these lines. This was posted by "Farmhand" in a topic at EF

"Twisting the conductors in multifilar coils then series connecting them
will increase the inductance when the windings are connected together
as does any coils inductance increase with more turns and wire, however
the "capacity" Tesla speaks of is related to the potential difference
between adjacent turns, which twisting randomizes, a twisted coil is not
making a coil as Tesla describes in the patent and will not secure the results
the patent describes. The "self capacitance" is not the "capacity" of the coil.
The "capacity" of the coil is how much energy it can store."

Just thought I would share that

Luc

Ok, here is my idea behind using litz...

Say we have 20awg mag wire and some 6 strand litz that is equal to 2 of those 20awg wires.

So we wind 2 20 awg wires together as a bifi. If we were to look at a cross section of those 2 wires, we can see that only a very small amount of each wires outer surfaces are in physical contact, and the rest of those surfaces are further away from each other.

lets call 1 of the 2 20 awg strands A and the other B.

Now the 6 strand litz, equal to 2 strands of 20awg, say equal resistance by length.  If we look at the cross section of the 6 strand litz, where half of the strands, are connected at the end of the windings to form 1 of the 20awg wires, and the other 3 strands are the other, sorting the strands so they alternate A and B strands rather than to have an A strand next to an A strand only.
Within that litz bundle, the first thing we should notice is that the surface area of the A and B strands in the litz is greater than the surface area of the 2 20 awg wires. The second is there are more contact areas within the litz of A and B strands than the 2 20 awg wires. 

So there is more possible capacitance between A and B in the litz than there is with the 2 20 awg wires.

We are talking about capacitance between A and adjacent B strands, let alone contact and proximity with other adjacent windings. 

Litz doesnt only come in weave form.  Examples below. 

Just something I had been thinking of for some time.

Mags

[synchro1]

Yes must be because the input is a capacitive discharge compared to the previous test was continuous DC pull force test

I've also noticed the coil holds up a little longer when connected in series. Maybe it's the small coil capacitance? or maybe it's just the coil has more inductance so now the generator effect is more as the coil drops down with gravity and tries to charge the cap bank in opposite polarity?

Luc

Everyone's familiar with the concept of time dilation; Light traveling from distant portions of the universe remains non-decayed after billions of years. The electro-gravity wave has supra effects as well. Gravity not only connects matter together in space, it also connects space to time. Gravity connects the present to the future and the past. When we generate a gravity wave, it reaches the outer limits of the universe nearly instantly, which is billions of years in the past. The wave passes through the future as well. Time is a continuum in the 5th dimension:  So the magnet wave not only reaches the ends of the spatial universe, it reaches the limits of time from beginning to end as well. "The coil holding up a little longer" could be a consequence of the coil catching up to the magnet wave it projected into the future.


Tesla, the patentor of the series bifilar coil and theorist of the longitudinal wave, posited Gravity as the cosmological constant and originated the insight outlined above. Tesla thought Einstein's "Special theory of relativity" was incomplete without his notion of "Eather".   

[gyulasun]

Hi Luc,

Yes, the use of the series diode does not block the backward flowing current just because the induced current's  direction (when the coil is falling down in your test setup) is such that it biases the diode to conduct again, sorry I did not fully consider this.
Sure, the use of AC type capacitor could be helpful to receive the opposite polarity without a problem but finding several thousand uF AC caps is not easy and not cheap. There is a way though to "build" an AC cap from normal electrolytic DC caps by using two diodes and two electrolytic caps. One method is to connect a diode in series with each electrolytic cap and parallel the two while the other method is to parallel a diode with each electrolytic and then connect them in series, see the attached for the latter method. Here is a link to the first method:
http://www.robkalmeijer.nl/techniek/electronica/radiotechniek/hambladen/radcom/1994/11/page55b/index.html
while I took the attached drawing from this site: http://www.electronicspoint.com/threads/normal-electrolytic-capcitors-as-non-polarized-bipolar-ones-in-ac-circuits.251027/

The voltage and current ratings for the diodes should be chosen to 'survive' the highest peak charging or discharging currents and peak AC voltages of course.

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

I did place a diode between my 7170uf electrolytic capacitor and the coil but all that does is charge the cap to an negative value when the coil starts to fall back down since the current is going in the opposite direction when it fall.
Cap starts at +10vdc and coil travels up 12.3mm then the cap goes Negative as the coil starts falling back down and cap charges to minus -6.72vdc

The cap being electrolytic don't hold the negative charge too well but only loose about 1vdc.

Make a recovery system though!

Maybe if I use AC caps it would be more efficient?

Luc