Stepping Down a Wimshurst

[wojwrobel]

hello

I'm new to this subject but i would like to add something

why don't we try to use this machine like in patent US4897592 ELECTROSTATIC ENERGY FIELD POWER GENERATING SYSTEM
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.pdf

this machine does exactly what we need changes static potential to DC voltage
and the most important thing is that energy required to generate power is just to create a static charge and rotate the disks ,

its something like in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0hXYfvnND0
5:10 - 8:00  (this video is so old but every time i watch it it makes me thinking , this is basically free energy concept shown in very understandable way)

and the most important information is that there is no charge exchange so you charge this machine only once so all power it needs is just to rotate

and since there is no collapsing magnetic field like it is in regular power generators the rotation don't need so much power so you can connect many machines like that in series to get more power !!! 

cheers from poland
wojsciech

[Steven Dufresne]

why don't we try to use this machine like in patent US4897592 ELECTROSTATIC ENERGY FIELD POWER GENERATING SYSTEM
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.pdf

this machine does exactly what we need changes static potential to DC voltage
and the most important thing is that energy required to generate power is just to create a static charge and rotate the disks ,

Hi wojsciech,
I've tried it, but it's very hard to build properly due to the high rotation speed needed. Hyde said the effect didn't start until around 6000RPM. So far I've been unsuccessful. I'll try again in the future if I don't succeed with what I'm doing now. Here's my webpage about it:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/hyde_generator
and here's the thread here at overunity.com where we've discussed it:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6790.0

its something like in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0hXYfvnND0
5:10 - 8:00  (this video is so old but every time i watch it it makes me thinking , this is basically free energy concept shown in very understandable way)

and the most important information is that there is no charge exchange so you charge this machine only once so all power it needs is just to rotate

and since there is no collapsing A field like it is in regular power generators the rotation don't need so much power so you can connect many machines like that in series to get more power !!! 

I don't think this is the principle of the Hyde generator. I think he started out doing that but then at around 6000RPM he started getting 300kV spikes as output, which he then rectified to DC. These spikes weren't what he expected.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

[wojwrobel]

hello

i understand this as machine that converts high electrostatic potential to lower potential dc ,

but this machine needs external source of electrostatic potential, positive and negative !!! often understand as positive and ground !! which is wrong negative is not a ground !!

like o said its all about CHARGIN BY INDUCTION 

and if you look closely to rectification (fig 6 in patent) it has dual variant rectifier 38A and 38B which meen that plates 82 and 84 will be charged one + second - and vice versa when there is position 72 and 76

so our external potential have to reach for + to disk 26 and 22 and - to disk 24 and 20
and its very far from disks 18 + and disk 16- which supply electric field thats why i A that voltage potential at disk 16 and 18 must be very big i would say 100-150 kv to make it work

please try to understand what im trying to tell you ok

wojsciech

[Steven Dufresne]

I understand what you're saying. My ground was negative with respect to the positive - so at first I'd say it doesn't matter. However, you're right because the rest of the device and structure is at ground potential. So the ground/negative plate was 0 volts with respect to it's surroundings. That is a problem.

So a few months ago I modified my Cockroft-Walton voltage multiplier so that it has three outputs: HV+, ground, HV-:
http://rimstar.org/equip/pos_neg_voltage_multiplier.htm
I tried it again but using the HV+ and HV- instead. Unfortunately my multiplier has ripple. I've found over the years that if you have ripple, even 1 or 2 volts, the ripple gets multiplied if there is ionization going on somewhere. I first learned that years ago with this experiment:
  http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/potsmk1.htm
So this meant that even though my power supply was HV DC with small ripple, the device ended up with HV DC with very large ripple.

So when I try again I will fix my rotors and stators so there is no ionization -no sharp edges. Then the ripple won't matter as much. I might also try and use a different HV DC source that doesn't have ripple.

EDIT: Oh, and when Hyde got his 300kV spikes while the rotors were turning at 6000RPM he was using only 3kV across the exitor plates. This information is from Moray B. King's book "Quest for Zero Point Energy" from his conversations with Hyde.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

[gauschor]

phew... 6000 RPM is a lot...

Say... does anyone of you know an Influence generator which works somehow like the wimshurst, but has no friction and only 1 disk rotating? The wimshurst and toepler slow down a lot because of the wires of neutralizer etc. touching the segments. These frictional contacts are the biggest problem.
Else one could feedback the electrostatic power (saved into a leyden jar) to the source disk or onto a second disc on the same axis working after the principle of an electrostatic motor and create a perpetuum mobile. There are some inspiring clips on youtube like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpemKuf6X_c&feature=related

Any builds?


Oh, and another thing: this guy "Evert" has an interesting theory on a possible electrostatic electricity generator http://www.evert.de/eft768e.htm For those of you who speak german, this whole text is also available in german language. I am currently trying to build the small version of his suggested device, although I doubt somehow that much power (if any at all...) will be generated. We will see... Unfortunately he has never build any device himself, so one must build by the rule of the thumb.