Hairpin Project

[Magluvin]

Hey forest
I see what you posted. I had seen it before also. But I cannot say it is the same thing for sure. The thing with teslas
way was more pure. He knew that the dc impulse from DC gens were a problem and he knew that a couple other experienced this effect. But he took it and danced with it.  The real key is not to transmit power and receive it, but  to amplify it and make it usable. Tesla many times talked of the "extra coil" and tuning of the spark gap which determined the direction of aetheric energy flow. I really need to study it more, but I have a good basic Idea of what is going on.
Im not really sure Edison had a solid grip on this as Tesla did.
But it is all interesting and it is all valid. And thanks for the cap gap suggestion.  =]  It opened the eyes to other ways.

Mags gas gaps cap bapz

[jeanna]

@mags,
Yes, the joule thief makes pulses measured over time.
This is what Tesla wanted and he made it very clear that the faster the rate of change ( aka the steeper the slope) the better.

He never used the term DC in the writings I have seen.
He used the term AC and meant lots of things by this including "pulsed DC"
His term for DC was "steady" currents.

So, I have called it AC myself, but that was not what I was talking about.
I came to learn that it was pulsed DC that we get from the secondary AND it is pulsed DC that we want.

About the sending and receiving. I think we are trapped at the moment.
We will not be permitted to send the signals that we need to receive to make the replications of thee tesla car etc.
So, we need to keep it all inside so to speak.

I am grateful for all those who want to keep working on this like Dr Stiffler et al, but it needs to stay small and personal for the time.

@Gary,

I think these things  are designed for an occasional pulse.......not constant use.

I agree with some disappointment.
It still is worth a try if they do not cost too much.

@all,
In one of  Karl Palsness' video he clearly states that the copper bars need to be substantial.
He says you cannot skimp.
He uses a very heavy 'wire' which my hardware store sells for about $2 per foot.

If one of us were to connect this heavy copper to the secondary wires, we would have a very similar aparatus.
We already have the same type of arrangement using the pulses derived from a jt instead of from a spark discharge.

I already have 2 major projects going, but I did buy a thinner gauge of this heavy wire in october, and I could just hook it up and try it.

There is evidently an important difference with the bar attached across the top and not. Karl keeps it across the top but I was unable to hear his reason.

jeanna

[Magluvin]

Jeanna
Have you read the Secrets of Cold War Technology? I first read it from Lindemanns excerpts.
Tesla found that charging large caps, DC of course, and discharging them on copper plates, the effect caused a stinging blast across the front of his body and face. Further experiments drew him to the conclusion that the true radiant energy was a release of high tension DC and ac did not cause it. He used a high tension dc generator in his experiments as a source. He used a make and break setup to make repetitive pulse discharges. But the greatest effect was when he used a spark gap that had a large magnet with poles focused across the gap to , what he called , quench the spark in order to strip the electrons from the spark stream as to not allow any currents to jump back across the gap, like a bemf spike. It stated that he abandoned ac once he got into this new dc Impulse ideas. He found that ac did not cause the effect he was producing.  Edisons DC generators when running produced a few thousand volts and when they would hit the switches, the same effect was produced and everything metal produced white spikes. And some that were throwing the switch would be killed by the impulse that occurred. They later used automatic relays to do the job. Teslas Ac generation did not cause this effect. He and Edison fought it out on which was better and safer, as we all have read, and the outcome was clear.
But Tesla was fascinated by this effect and soon abandoned all ac works for this DC impulse effect. He soon mastered it and the tesla coils we know of, are not even his device as we know it today. 2 things distinguish the tesla coil we know of and the real tesla way,  a high tension dc source, and magnetically quenched spark gaps. You can see in some pat. the lil V shapes with n and s on them on wither side of the gaps, and the great use of a generator as a source, as some labeled in polarity. True these devices we have make great sparks and bolts, but he had something else going on. There is so much more also in those books
Its a great read and I highly suggest them. It will change what you know.
Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity   Peter Lindemann   and  Secrets of Cold War Technology.

By the way, Are the JT sparks cold to the touch?  =]   

Mags

[jeanna]

MrMags,
I think you misunderstood what I was/am saying.

I have read the Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nicola Tesla of 1894, a book compiled by a friend of Tesla's which includes transcripts of his excellent lectures.

I do not like spark gaps.
The difficulties tesla outlines are dreadful.
Eric Dollard and P Lindemann made some wonderful replications as did Karl Palsness.
It would make everyone deaf to the human voice.
That sound of the spark gap is extreme noise pollution and at mid range or voice range.
And, imo not something that belongs in a house.
So, if you want to never hear people talking do a lot of work with spark gaps.

I am interested in that little spark gap thing which is enclosed, and I think it would be sweet if it works.

My very earnest hope is that the sharp spikes produced by a good jt secondary circuit will be an adequate solid state copy of the spark gap ...buried in boiled oil and blown away by a magnet.

My lidmotor's jeanna's light replication has about 2,000 volts and makes a spark when the 2 ends of the secondary get near metal of the opposite polarity/ opposite side of the secondary.

By the way, Are the JT sparks cold to the touch?  =]   

yes, they are.


Which is why I am looking for what to do to make them hot.
So the next thing I make after I light my entire house with AAA batteries, is a heater .
An induction immersion water heater is what I am thinking about.

The hairpin is a circuit that I believe can be made to work for us, which is why I joined this thread.

thank you,

jeanna

PS
With all that said,
if Gary and the others who have been here today really want to see what a spark gap can do and stick with the spark gap itself and leave the ss thing to another thread, I will back away and peek in every once in a while.

jeanna

[resonanceman]

MrMags,
I think you misunderstood what I was/am saying.

I have read the Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nicola Tesla of 1894, a book compiled by a friend of Tesla's which includes transcripts of his excellent lectures.

I do not like spark gaps.
The difficulties tesla outlines are dreadful.
Eric Dollard and P Lindemann made some wonderful replications as did Karl Palsness.
It would make everyone deaf to the human voice.
That sound of the spark gap is extreme noise pollution and at mid range or voice range.
And, imo not something that belongs in a house.
So, if you want to never hear people talking do a lot of work with spark gaps.

I am interested in that little spark gap thing which is enclosed, and I think it would be sweet if it works.

My very earnest hope is that the sharp spikes produced by a good jt secondary circuit will be an adequate solid state copy of the spark gap ...buried in boiled oil and blown away by a magnet.

My lidmotor's jeanna's light replication has about 2,000 volts and makes a spark when the 2 ends of the secondary get near metal of the opposite polarity/ opposite side of the secondary.
yes, they are.


Which is why I am looking for what to do to make them hot.
So the next thing I make after I light my entire house with AAA batteries, is a heater .
An induction immersion water heater is what I am thinking about.

The hairpin is a circuit that I believe can be made to work for us, which is why I joined this thread.

thank you,

jeanna

PS
With all that said,
if Gary and the others who have been here today really want to see what a spark gap can do and stick with the spark gap itself and leave the ss thing to another thread, I will back away and peek in every once in a while.

jeanna

Jeanna

I think it would  be great if an unmodified JT could drive  a hairpin.
I am not  convinced  it can happen  but I  would love to be surprised.

I agree with you about the spark gaps ...... but it might be necessary to use them until we can find a way around them.