Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump

[Mannix]

@altair
zip the file first  a pain ah?

Tony has used 36 , you can see the extra step in his acrylic coil, some do 6 steps, some 7

I have rewound 2 more times and in reverse still not seeing run up.

30 volts 2.1 amps with 1hkz 50 % duty cycle the current is always the same , lots of heat in the coil but if i just run the coil with 2.1 amps by limiting the supply I get the same heat.
spikes for sure, just like any tpu config.
Tony has current much lower than I can achieve
the only difference is my .25 primary wire where his is .19

if i reduce the drive i do get rf pulses but this is gate oscillation it also happens with just dc level(no pulse)

Best to wait for more detailed info from Tony for me , he is getting something, of that im sure.
perhaps 2 stages or more  are vital

Does any body have dc out there? other than little  spikes

I,m surely doing something very wrong ..but what  arrggghhh!

[Magluvin]

Possibly it can be explained by the same effect the John Bedini shows in this video at around the 4 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aA8-0tctyw

Hey Chasson
That makes sense but that would also be a particular freq to lock in that node, except this coil we are told can work at many freq. suggesting that spins on the winding have a flywheel effect and the spacing helps to maintain inertial movement due to other windings not slowing the spins down as we normally see in a standard coil. I even see that an iron core or other could slow the spinning. But thus far, I am only seeing it in my head, and it may not be so.

Mags

[ramset]

Wow
Look at all these men working together!!

Look at all the Talent that is here!!

Good stuff [actually there is no single word to describe this!!]

""That's"" worth the price of admission!!, no matter what.

Thanks Tony and @All

Chet
PS,
You MEN are making History.!!

Nick would Love this
Tesla that is.

[agentgates]

@ Tony,
I am about to wind my first coil after finishing my drive electronics and Arduino software.

If you have an Arduino code cleaned up, please don't hold it back as mine is still in the baby phase. I screwd up the primary on my coil (damaged) so it will tak a few hours while I clean it up rewind it, glue it, etc.

When 45 degrees is used, the wires at the inner side of the tube have quite some distance from the tube itself.
Is that OK or should I stick the wires to the inner tube with tape or glue?

Yes that is fine. As for my theory that distance gives some (psec) acceleration inside the primary that you can't measure with ordinary devices but in this case it can be important. If it was closer to the secondary would cause the opposite that you'd identify as higher back EMF. Later we will look into this one as well.

So are you saying that these spinning fields have a flywheel effect, as in inertial effects that are not restricted due to proper spacing?

I say that you can't observe a strong inertia if you don't leave enough space between the secondary. If you decrease the spacing you will need to increase the current.

In normal cases electrons flow in a wire in a spinning manner. Since they have own mass and struggling to push each other apart they will spin. The spinning movement will force them to the edge of the wire due to the centrifugal force (spinning mass = centrigugal force).

Now if you get these wires close to each other you get the electrons slow down as there is electron flow in the next turn as well. Imagine two wheels spinning very fast in the same direction (e.g. clockwise) and you get them closer to each other. When they are close enough they can cause enough disturbance in the air to get each others slowing down. The worst thing you can do if you let them to touch each other as you will need to pump the power in to keep them spinning. To translate it to the wires case, there is some electromagnetic field around the wires. If you get them too close to each other the also spinning electromagnetic field between them will overlap each other and create a slight Lorentz force. This is bad, as you will see it on the scope as oscillation after your spike that is a LOSS.

Now, e.g. if you have 5 turns of secondary, you can think of them as wheels under each other and you start slapping them from the top to the bottom with your hand. Always from the top to the bottom. First you need "punch" them to get them spin up but later you will only need to preserve their speed. (remember: spinning electrons, mass, centrifugal force. Same deal.)

Tony maybe to help explain it more visual I made a small presentation so people don't get too confused.

That is amazing broli! Many thanks.

The fiddling is want I encountered too, and that started me thinking.
It may be that the asymmetry is required on purpose, but I have feeling that symmetry would be better.

@Tony: how did you solve this yourselve? Did you adjust the angle every time you reached an occupied angle?

I think this is what you mean.
http://www.samsonium.org/sites/default/files/P1110287.JPG

I remember agentgates saying direction of wind doesn't matter, it just changs the polarity on the secondary terminal ends...can i get confirmation on that.

Yes it is true, this is what I said but some fellas from the southern hemisphere noticed something about it that can be important.

A possible reason that I didn't think through before:

If you pull out the plug from the bath and drain the water you can see a vortex spinning down the drain. This can be important as thin liquid particles are sensitive for inertia. Gravity is not a one way force straight down, but a fast spinning vortex and a sum of many ferromagnetic fields pointing down towards Earth's iron core. Since the iron core is spinning faster than the crust and has magnetic fields it causes disturbance on the gravitational field. Some sort of distortion that we observe on the liquid as spin. Since liquid particles are very light, they can catch up to the spinning fiel and form a vortex that we can observe visually. This spin is the opposite on the southern hemisphere.

I presume that due to the relatively small weight of the electrons the direction of their spinning might be important. I will certainly post some new pictures with polarity and winding directions to make it more clear.

BTW the same thing is observable on storm cyclones/anticyclones on norther/southern hemisphere as they can also form a vortex when they are trying to catch up to the gravitaional vortex.

(If you drop a very light object, e.g feather in strong vacuum it will still spin.)

[teslaalset]

If you have an Arduino code cleaned up, please don't hold it back as mine is still in the baby phase. I screwd up the primary on my coil (damaged) so it will tak a few hours while I clean it up rewind it, glue it, etc.

I can make my hex files available, no problem.
The model I am using is the Duemlanove (http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardDuemilanove)
Note, that I am programming the Atmel using assembler, to enable even the shortest pulses.
Minimum pulse length is 125 ns. I use that for other purposes.
The bootloader C-interpreter doesn't allow for very efficient compiling.
We can discuss what will be needed. I will fire up my setup this evening. Fingers crossed.

I think this is what you mean.
http://www.samsonium.org/sites/default/files/P1110287.JPG

Yes, exactly. So, you have an asymmetry in your primary winding. Good to know.
Mine has full symmetry winding as a starter, maybe I'll change it to the original one after my first experiments.

Thanks for the accurate feedback again.

p.s. picture from your coil attached to preserve the info, just in case