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Solid State Orbo System

Started by Groundloop, January 06, 2010, 12:21:24 PM

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Jimboot

Thought I'd take a shot at this too. My Ossie motor is going well at 1mw & 1000 rpms & I need another challenge. Which page has the best setup so far in this thread? 

Bruce_TPU

Good Evening All,

I have concluded the building of my pulse kit tonight.  It really wasn't that bad at all.  I had purchased a small battery powered soldering gun, because it has a nice thin tip.  It works so, so.  I have a radio shack soldering gun that heats up well, but no small, thin tip available for it.  I will have to invest in a decent soldering gun, with proper tips, in the future.  I see how having the right tools for the job is so important.

I am out of town for the holidays but will return next week, and then test out my pulser and see how it goes...

Happy Ressurection Holiday to all!   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

freeorbo

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on April 03, 2010, 12:49:25 AM
Good Evening All,
I have concluded the  my pulse kit tonight.  It really wasn't that bad at all.

From the Steorn page, my guess would be you get a metglas or nanoperm core with as square a loop as you can find (totally nonlinear), wrap it with a ton of thin thin wire for good inductance, then you hit the coil with a short pulse clockwise through the circuit and immediately follow that with a longer, higher powered pulse counter-clockwise through the circuit (so to speak), so you build a north magnetic field and then a bigger south magnetic field, to simulate the effect of the rotor passing by the angled magnet in the PM orbo configuration. And that same massive coil around the core collects the excess rebound from the ferrite core? But how do you fire and collect from the same coil?

The domains in these square loop coils seem to have no "entropic" state. It's like they're all aligned and flip like a switch to the opposite orientation...

I've never handled a square loop ferrite. Do they physically feel different in the presence of a magnet?



Bruce_TPU

Quote from: freeorbo on April 03, 2010, 01:07:54 AM
From the Steorn page, my guess would be you get a metglas or nanoperm core with as square a loop as you can find (totally nonlinear), wrap it with a ton of thin thin wire for good inductance, then you hit the coil with a short pulse clockwise through the circuit and immediately follow that with a longer, higher powered pulse counter-clockwise through the circuit (so to speak), so you build a north magnetic field and then a bigger south magnetic field, to simulate the effect of the rotor passing by the angled magnet in the PM orbo configuration. And that same massive coil around the core collects the excess rebound from the ferrite core? But how do you fire and collect from the same coil?

The domains in these square loop coils seem to have no "entropic" state. It's like they're all aligned and flip like a switch to the opposite orientation...

I've never handled a square loop ferrite. Do they physically feel different in the presence of a magnet?

No, a Metglas Square loop does not feel different in the presence of a magnet. 

My pulser is to pulse at different frequencies, my SSG3, you can read about, further back, if interested.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Staffman

Just a few thoughts on the Steorn solid state orbo....

To me it looks like Steorn has three coils around a ferrite cylinder with a bias magnet in the middle. They probably have an external asymmetrical magnet on the outside. I could be wrong about the magnet placement... ie the asymmetrical magnet on the inside, and bias on the outside. I think they are using the three coils to perform heterodyne frequency multiplication with the non linear part of the M-H curve of the ferrite. Two coils input the two low frequencies, the third picks up the multiplied high frequency.

See the link below... specifically the 'mixer' section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne

I'm just piecing this together at this point... brain storming. Does anyone here have any heterodyne experience that can shed anymore light on this? Does this sound correct? Any other possibilities?