Solid State Orbo System

[freeorbo]

... ie the asymmetrical magnet on the inside, and bias on the outside...

I'd think that
1. )the internal magnet represents the magnet on the rotor,

2.) the ferrite core represents the non-linear mh curve, and you

3.) pump in an asymmetric current pulse (AC with return pulse stronger ) so you weakly attract the core and then blast it with a repulsion force. Exactly like cracking a whip.

We had all of the ingredients but I personally never saw anyone talk about non-linear PLUS asymmetrical.

In naudin's 2sGen the asymmetry may be provided by the falling current in the pickup coil causing backEMF into the core. If we had larger backEMF we'd probably have gone OU.

Where's the asymmetry in an eOrbo? The pulse timing I suppose? 

[gravityblock]

I'd think that
1. )the internal magnet represents the magnet on the rotor,

2.) the ferrite core represents the non-linear mh curve, and you

3.) pump in an asymmetric current pulse (AC with return pulse stronger ) so you weakly attract the core and then blast it with a repulsion force. Exactly like cracking a whip.

We had all of the ingredients but I personally never saw anyone talk about non-linear PLUS asymmetrical.

In naudin's 2sGen the asymmetry may be provided by the falling current in the pickup coil causing backEMF into the core. If we had larger backEMF we'd probably have gone OU.

Where's the asymmetry in an eOrbo? The pulse timing I suppose?

The asymmetry in the eOrbo is the magnet leaving TDC.  The magnet will turn the domains or offer more resistance depending on the direction of rotation or the polarity of the applied current to turn the domains (domain rotation) more on one side of the toroid core that is closest to the magnet as it moves away from TDC, than the other side of the core that is farther away from the magnet.  This creates a non-linear M-H relationship within the core, due to its asymmetry of the rotation of the domains (one side of the core will be sitting on the linear portions of the M-H curve, while the other side is sitting on the non-linear portions of the M-H curve).  This is the reason why the gap between the toroid and magnets is important.

Here's a flash presentation from the SKDB on the M-H curve and magnetic domains, http://www.steorn.com/skdb/e-learning/flash-promo/3.1/index.html  You'll need to hit the play button more than one time (it's setup like a slide show).

According to Steorn, the ssOrbo gains energy via control of a material's inductance and domain rotation.  We know that an external magnet can control the materials inductance.  We just need to control the domain rotation as to create a non-linear M-H relationship within the toroid core (one side must be sitting on the linear portions and the other side need to be sitting on the non-linear portions of the M-H curve).  This creates an asymmetry system of the magnetization within the core material.  A higher permeable core can be magnetized easier.

M-H curve is just the relationship between the applied intensity of the magnetic field to the amount of magnetization of the material.  In an asymmetry system, one side will be magnetized more than the other side, or one toroid will be magnetized more than another toroid.  Luc's dual coil toroid, is magnetizing each half of the toroid in different directions, but each half is either sitting on the linear portions or the non-linear portions of the M-H curve.  We need one half to sit on the linear portions, while the other half is sitting on the non-linear portion in order to make it an asymmetry system or to use more than one toroid.

If you look at the Lee Valstad coil I posted a few pages back, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8892.msg235742#msg235742 , you will notice there are 4 ends to the coil.  2 ends for each separate signal, in order to make it an asymmetric system.

I posted this information before Steorn announced the ssOrbo or released the publications on the asymmetry and the M-H curves.  I've been saying the M-H Curve is important over the last 4 months.  Finally, this has caught some attention.  I first posted the Lee Valstad coil back in September of 2009, which can use more than one signal to create an asymmetric system.

GB   

[gravityblock]

Just a few thoughts on the Steorn solid state orbo....

To me it looks like Steorn has three coils around a ferrite cylinder with a bias magnet in the middle. They probably have an external asymmetrical magnet on the outside. I could be wrong about the magnet placement... ie the asymmetrical magnet on the inside, and bias on the outside. I think they are using the three coils to perform heterodyne frequency multiplication with the non linear part of the M-H curve of the ferrite. Two coils input the two low frequencies, the third picks up the multiplied high frequency.

See the link below... specifically the 'mixer' section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne

I'm just piecing this together at this point... brain storming. Does anyone here have any heterodyne experience that can shed anymore light on this? Does this sound correct? Any other possibilities?

I really like this idea.  I'm going to research it more.  Thanks.

GB

[Groundloop]

@All,

Today I did build a little circuit that fits inside a 9V battery form factor.
The main idea was to get a high "radiant" voltage output for charging
lead acid batteries. The circuit gets a little hot at 9 volt input so if
anybody decide to build the circuit then use more turns on L1 and L2.
The 2,2nF ceramic capacitor is probably also too big so there is too much
feed back to the switching transistor. I did use small toroid cores so that
everything did fit inside a 9 volt battery plastic box. When the circuit is
run from 9 volt input the output is close to 60 volt. But as I said, the circuit
gets warm and this setup needs to be run from about 3 volt or so. More
testing is needed.

Groundloop.   

[gravityblock]

@All,

Today I did build a little circuit that fits inside a 9V battery form factor.
The main idea was to get a high "radiant" voltage output for charging
lead acid batteries. The circuit gets a little hot at 9 volt input so if
anybody decide to build the circuit then use more turns on L1 and L2.
The 2,2nF ceramic capacitor is probably also too big so there is too much
feed back to the switching transistor. I did use small toroid cores so that
everything did fit inside a 9 volt battery plastic box. When the circuit is
run from 9 volt input the output is close to 60 volt. But as I said, the circuit
gets warm and this setup needs to be run from about 3 volt or so. More
testing is needed.

Groundloop.

I like it.  This is a step in the right direction I think.  Good job Groundloop.

Thanks,

GB