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Solid State Orbo System

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Bruce_TPU

#65
January 08, 2010, 11:14:21 AM
Quote from: Groundloop on January 08, 2010, 09:40:56 AM
Bruce,

Thanks for the offer. But I have already ordered more wire.

The frequency of my RA switch is from approx. 1KHz and up to 19KHz with
the component values the switch has now. But as I said, I will build the
resonant oscillator and test what the resonant frequency for the coils are.

Will report back later when done.

Alex.

Hi Alex,

When you are testing, please test what frequency is on the output generator coil, for me please.  What I am thinking is this.  Whatever the output frequency is determined to be, use a cap and resistor on the generator coil and have that coil resonate at that frequency.  By tuning it thus, it should increase it's efficiency dramatically and give us a larger output.  If that turns out to be the case, as I think it will, then all 11 coils can be tuned in the same manner.  I think when this thing is done, we could end up with a 1KW machine, self running, easily!  LOL 

What I also like about it, is that unlike other projects (non public) that I have been a part of, if this is fed back with it's own energy, there is zero chance of a lightening strike, because it will not produce any more power on the output than what it is going to be designed for.  That, in my opinion, makes it very safe to work with...when we get to that point!   ;)  Thanks!

Cheers,

Bruce

1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

gyulasun

#66
January 08, 2010, 12:08:41 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 08, 2010, 11:14:21 AM
Hi Alex,

When you are testing, please test what frequency is on the output generator coil, for me please.  What I am thinking is this.  Whatever the output frequency is determined to be, use a cap and resistor on the generator coil and have that coil resonate at that frequency.  By tuning it thus, it should increase it's efficiency dramatically and give us a larger output.  If that turns out to be the case, as I think it will, then all 11 coils can be tuned in the same manner.  I think when this thing is done, we could end up with a 1KW machine, self running, easily!  LOL 

What I also like about it, is that unlike other projects (non public) that I have been a part of, if this is fed back with it's own energy, there is zero chance of a lightening strike, because it will not produce any more power on the output than what it is going to be designed for.  That, in my opinion, makes it very safe to work with...when we get to that point!   ;)  Thanks!

Cheers,

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

I highlighted in the above quote I ask:  What you mean here on output?

Output voltage or output power? 

Because if I got you, you would make the generator coil to be a resonant tank circuit for the input switching frequency, right?  This is ok and the AC voltage across this tank will surely increase, usually the Q times of the tank quality factor (XL/r) where r is the coil copper loss with the core loss and XL is the inductive reactance of the coil at the resonant frequency.

But if you wish to utilize the resonant power in the tank, you have to match the load to the tank and unfortunately output power will be less than that of reactivly circulating, depending on the loaded Q that remains, when the load reflects back the tank.

Have you thought about the resonant matching needs and if so how you would go about it I wonder.

Thanks, Gyula

Bruce_TPU

#67
January 08, 2010, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: gyulasun on January 08, 2010, 12:08:41 PM
Hi Bruce,

I highlighted in the above quote I ask:  What you mean here on output?

Output voltage or output power? 

Because if I got you, you would make the generator coil to be a resonant tank circuit for the input switching frequency, right?  This is ok and the AC voltage across this tank will surely increase, usually the Q times of the tank quality factor (XL/r) where r is the coil copper loss with the core loss and XL is the inductive reactance of the coil at the resonant frequency.

But if you wish to utilize the resonant power in the tank, you have to match the load to the tank and unfortunately output power will be less than that of reactivly circulating, depending on the loaded Q that remains, when the load reflects back the tank.

Have you thought about the resonant matching needs and if so how you would go about it I wonder.

Thanks, Gyula

Hi Gyula,

Yes, you understand what I was thinking...but, as you state, we need to match the load to the tank...any ideas of your own, while I ponder? 

Simply looking for a means to make the generator coil(s) as "efficient" as possible.  We want every single amp and volt!  LOL

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Groundloop

#68
January 08, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
All,

I have done the first test where I used the one transistor oscillator. I made one
feed back coil in one of the toroid and used that as a trigger for the transistor.
The input usage @ 12,02 Volt was 0,654 Ampere. The output voltage from the
generator coil was 92 VAC. The frequency of the oscillator was as in the attached image.

I must add that the frequency without magnets on the toroids was around 1KHz.
And more magnets = higher frequency. I also had to "adjust" the inductive voltage kick
back from the two toroids by using different magnet strength on each toroid.

The inductive kick back from the toroids did not come at the same time and
the output was low. But when I put different magnets strength on each side then
both toroids gave the kick back voltage at the same time and the output went high.

I attached a 230VAC 15 Watt light bulb as a load. The generator voltage was 30 VAC with load.

Alex.

Bruce_TPU

#69
January 08, 2010, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: Groundloop on January 08, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
All,

I have done the first test where I used the one transistor oscillator. I made one
feed back coil in one of the toroid and used that as a trigger for the transistor.
The input usage @ 12,02 Volt was 0,654 Ampere. The output voltage from the
generator coil was 92 VAC. The frequency of the oscillator was as in the attached image.

I must add that the frequency without magnets on the toroids was around 1KHz.
And more magnets = higher frequency. I also had to "adjust" the inductive voltage kick
back from the two toroids by using different magnet strength on each toroid.

The inductive kick back from the toroids did not come at the same time and
the output was low. But when I put different magnets strength on each side then
both toroids gave the kick back voltage at the same time and the output went high.

I attached a 230VAC 15 Watt light bulb as a load. The generator voltage was 30 VAC with load.

Alex.

Hi Alex,

Very interesting information.  It makes it sound like tuning the circuit to the resonant frequency of the toroids will be difficult...hmm..

One idea to make the input more efficient, is to measure across the Generator coil, and slowly drop the voltage on the input side. We need far less input power to "turn off" the field with the toroid, based on others experiments working on the mechanical version.  Perhaps one of those circuits, but with a differant means to trigger of course...What are your thoughts?

Also, a friend of mine suggests taking the gen output coil leads and going to a capacitor, and from there to a full wave bridge rectifier and then reading out the power in straightline DC.  Perhaps even smoothing it out a bit more, so that we can see where we really are, power wise on the gen output coil.  This would be a good test, I think...What are your thoughts on this?

Cheers,

Bruce

1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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