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Solid State Orbo System

Started by Groundloop, January 06, 2010, 12:21:24 PM

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#80
January 08, 2010, 09:02:24 PM
Maybe some large steel washers between the toroids and the generator coil. Just thinking that the added permeability would help, not sure how much tho. Could even use steel as the coil form instead of using ferrite.

Another thought is to use steel wire in the generator coil, but the resistance of the coil would suffer.

Bruce_TPU

#81
January 09, 2010, 12:30:39 AM
Hi Alex,

In discussing this project with some others this evening via telephone, a suggestion was made to make a steel horseshoe and link the magnets to see if a clearer path for the flux, might allow for better performance on the coil generator.  This was also suggested, I think by Gyula some time ago.  It would be an easy experiment, just use some angle iron or the such.  It would be worth a try. 

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
Also really worth trying, if you still have several toroids on both ends, change that to only ONE toroid per end and see how that does on the output generator coil. Thanks!
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Groundloop

#82
January 09, 2010, 01:00:41 AM
Bruce,

Yes it is a little disappointing but this test was with the resonant oscillator
running and the phase between the two toroids was horrible. We get better
result with a switch that has frequency and duty cycle control. My toroids
are not optimal either. Remember that this is the first system thrown
together just to see if the method works.

Also, 100 Ohm load is not the best load for the output coil because I have found
that this is a high voltage system, not an transformer. The output is like an RF
transmitter and the load must fit the impedance to get the correct output.

We have proved that the system works. We have proved that it is possible to
use several coils as output. And we have proved that a magnetic field can be
shielded and modulated. We have also proved that when using resonance then
the input will be greatly reduced.

So I still think it is important to build a proper and bigger system that are much
better designed and tuned and test that. This I will do.

Alex.

Bruce_TPU

#83
January 09, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
Great, Alex.  I am right there with you.  Lot's of room to experiment and to make improvement.  I think it has merit.

As you said well, we have proved many things out already.  Now to optimize!  My toroids some day will arrive (lol..I hope tomorrow) and then it is winding time.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

gyulasun

#84
January 09, 2010, 07:03:10 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 08, 2010, 02:01:57 PM
Hi Gyula,

Yes, you understand what I was thinking...but, as you state, we need to match the load to the tank...any ideas of your own, while I ponder? 

Simply looking for a means to make the generator coil(s) as "efficient" as possible.  We want every single amp and volt!  LOL

Cheers,

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

Well, lumped circuit matching theory is at our service here, at least this is what I thought of.  It simply means you can get the highest output power if you conjugate match the generator coil to a load.
So in case of Alex gen coil, it has 1.2 Ohm DC resistance and an L self inductance with XL inductive reactance. This is best matched to say a incandescent lamp that has 1.2 Ohm resistance at a certain rated wattage AND you have to place a capacitor in series with the lamp to compensate for the gen coil's XL with an equal value of capacitive reactance,  XL=XC at the output frequency.  (In this simplest matching case, you create a series resonant circuit and you "ruin" the unloaded Q quality factor of the gen coil by "doubling" its copper resistance i.e. adding the same value resistance, 1.2 Ohm, the load, in series with it.)

Of course you can choose to use coupling coil(s) wound onto the same generator core, you can wind the gen coil with several taps to make matching variable to different loads (you may not have a correct wattage lamp with the needed ohmic value at hand etc etc). In these matching cases you place a capacitor in parallel with the gen coil to make it resonant at the output frequency and test which tap gives the best output power on a load (a lamp, a power resistor, etc) because there would be one tap only wrt any one coil ending, where you achieve the above requirement, all the other taps will give less output power.  Effectively in this parallel resonant case you have a resonant transformer, with taps or with coupling coil(s) to transform down the high value resonant voltage.

rgds, Gyula
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