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Solid State Orbo System

Started by Groundloop, January 06, 2010, 12:21:24 PM

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exnihiloest

Quote from: gravityblock on March 08, 2010, 05:34:44 AM
The oscilloscope trace is a straight line in Episode 7.  How can we see this leakage flux in Episode 7?  There are two circuits in Episode 7 and only 1 circuit in Episode 6, so you can't use the oscilloscope trace from Episode 6 for your analysis of Episode 7.  This is how you're intentionally trying to twist the facts by mixing two different experiments of your analysis of a single experiment, and you continue to knowingly do this.

You continue to make references about measurements errors even after being warned several times.  I don't think we have to worry about you're distractions here any longer.

GB

You are lying by blinding yourself. I'm not twisting the facts: you don't even understand them. Your interpretation of what we observe is biased. Every one can detect the leakage flux with a simple small coil connected to an oscilloscope and placed near the toroid coil. If you refuse the facts and are not able to check them yourself by experiments, at least don't insult or accuse others.




exnihiloest

Quote from: magneto_DC on March 09, 2010, 08:27:59 AM
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We WANT B-flux NOT leaving core!
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We all want this. Unfortunately it is not possible.
The flux from the permanent magnet pass through each side of the 2Sgen toroid core. We have half the flux in each side.
But the circular flux from the pulsed coil, adds to the flux from the magnet in one side of the core, and subtracts in the other side. It saturates a side more than the other.
It follows that the permeability of the toroid is no more balanced. The extra flux in the side of higher permeability cannot loop through the side of lower permeability, thus it expands and loops around the toroid.
It is easily detected with a small probe coil.




gravityblock

Quote from: exnihiloest on March 10, 2010, 04:29:58 AM
You are lying by blinding yourself. I'm not twisting the facts: you don't even understand them. Your interpretation of what we observe is biased. Every one can detect the leakage flux with a simple small coil connected to an oscilloscope and placed near the toroid coil. If you refuse the facts and are not able to check them yourself by experiments, at least don't insult or accuse others.

Look at the full FEMM simulation in Naudin's experiment.  You will observe the magnetic field outside the toroidal coil is null, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uo0s7boCPc

I think your interpretation of what we observe is biased.

GB
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Omega_0

Quote from: exnihiloest on March 10, 2010, 04:49:09 AM

But the circular flux from the pulsed coil, adds to the flux from the magnet in one side of the core, and subtracts in the other side. It saturates a side more than the other.


Exactly, and this means we are using only half of the core, and getting only half power out. Half of the toroid is always saturated, which is a waste of material.
Ideally we would want all the PM flux to remain inside the core during current ON time and all the flux to leave the core during OFF time. This will produce max change in the flux (dB/dt), which means max induced power.

Edit: Working on some solution...
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lumen

Quote from: Omega_0 on March 10, 2010, 05:55:33 AM
Exactly, and this means we are using only half of the core, and getting only half power out. Half of the toroid is always saturated, which is a waste of material.
Ideally we would want all the PM flux to remain inside the core during current ON time and all the flux to leave the core during OFF time. This will produce max change in the flux (dB/dt), which means max induced power.

Edit: Working on some solution...

Why would the flux leaving the core during the coil on time be such a problem?
If the magnet alone has already pushed both sides of the core to near saturation, then only a very small amount of power will cause all the flux from the magnet to over saturate one side of the core, pushing some flux outside the core.
Even if there could be any BEMF, it would not directly be related to the supplied coil current.
In fact, if half the flux in the core was from the magnet and half from the coil, you would only get half the expected BEMF in the coil max.

During the coil collapse, the field will induce an opposite current through the coil winding and again over saturate the other side of the core as the field sloshes back and forth through the core like water in a "U" shaped tube.