Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?

[raburgeson]

I was saying if we look at the spin on the skirt and the spin on the adjacent air
molecules caused by the electromagnetic wave propagating down the skirt it
may be propelling the lifter more or less like squeezing a bar of soap. If this is the
case lifters would not work in a vaccuum. But, lifters could still perform valuable
transportation tasks. Tell you what , try sealed baggies around your skirts with air
in them if it still lifts then to work in a vaccuum all you have to do is take a small
amount of gas with you.

[raburgeson]

Someone did try putting a lifter in a sealed bag the lifter works.The ionic winds pressure would be evenly
distributed within the bag. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reginald/liftbubl.html  . Somewhere I said
if you take a bag of air with you a lifter should work in a vaccuum. About that bar of soap.Metal molecules
can move if you have a strong microscope you can see the molecules crawling around the surface. If this is
a result of spin then I propose this is not the optimum surface for lift.Crystaline forms have locked molecules
and I think molecules that can't move cannot cushion the lift effect. To clarify I think some of the molecules
are moving and lift effect is being lost. I wonder what a nano coating of a cheap crystal ( say Quartzite )
on the skirt would do? Someone look on the net for flying crystals I'm dragged of topic so far I'm going to
have to regroup my thoughts to producing high voltage again.

[Sojourner]

I bagged a lifter and didn't get squato.

Soj

Someone did try putting a lifter in a sealed bag the lifter works.The ionic winds pressure would be evenly
distributed within the bag. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reginald/liftbubl.html  . Somewhere I said
if you take a bag of air with you a lifter should work in a vaccuum. About that bar of soap.Metal molecules
can move if you have a strong microscope you can see the molecules crawling around the surface. If this is
a result of spin then I propose this is not the optimum surface for lift.Crystaline forms have locked molecules
and I think molecules that can't move cannot cushion the lift effect. To clarify I think some of the molecules
are moving and lift effect is being lost. I wonder what a nano coating of a cheap crystal ( say Quartzite )
on the skirt would do? Someone look on the net for flying crystals I'm dragged of topic so far I'm going to
have to regroup my thoughts to producing high voltage again.

[triffid]

No one's posted to this thread for about three years.Last night I learned that honey bees use static electricity to pollenate flowers with.As their wings beat 230 times a minute air flows over the hairs on their bodies making the hairs electrically charged so when a honeybee lands on a flower pollen jumps to the bee's body.About 4 years ago a friend of mine built a lifter in okla,USA.While it did not fly until later.He was able to later and sent me a picture of it in the air.So I know a 30lb power supply will not fly a less than a ounce paper craft beyond the length of the wire.So I have thought about power supplies small enough to put on a lifter.So if a honeybee can produce static electricity as it is flying so maybe a lifter should do the same?Afterall a lifter weighs more than a honeybee.Too bad I'm the first in three years to post here.Lifters are not dead just sleeping.Triffid

[triffid]

Sorry I'm the first in 4 years to post here.Airplanes were invented in 1903 but it took until about 1927 to produce a plane that could carry its own weight in payload.Theres hope for lifters.Triffid