Magnet motor in Argentina

[jbh]

By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a working "torbay" motor.

I don?t think you need to be shown a working Torbay motor. Why? Because you?re like the people who live in the villages in the outskirts of Sofia, Bulgaria. This is a community of its own ? very nice people, laborious, with a unique culture, but quite set in their ways. Here?s what Shops say:

?There? nothing higher than Vitosha (Vitosha is their mountain) and nothing deeper than Iskyr (Iskyr is their brook, hardly a river).

?Why should I worry since even if I worry it will soon pass.?

?I hate to think. When I think it feels like I?m wrestling a bear.?

One day a Shop found himself in the zoo facing the giraffe. He kept watching and watching and in the end concluded: ?There is no such animal?.

Proof that your reaction doesn?t differ much from that of the Shop is the following conclusion you make regarding second Snyder?s video:

The second video, shows a rotor with magnets, holded by hand with rotates at a constant speed. if the device can generate energy, the speed should increase with time. It seems to me that there is a hidden battery somewhere (constant voltage, constant speed) probably in the white ring, which they do not show in the inside.

First, the device does generate energy because it obviously rotates which means that a body with a mass is being driven by a force to cover distance, becoming greater and greater. This energy, generated by the body, is at the expense of no energy input from the outside.

Notice, the device is generating energy even if its speed isn?t increasing with time. Have you ever seen a motor turning at given rotations per minute without external input of energy? I haven?t. Until Snyder?s video.

Your comment about the hidden battery is so ridiculous and offensive that needn?t even be mentioned. Here me out well ? there is no hidden battery in Snyder?s device. Period. Also, seeing Snyder?s working, you don?t need to see Torbay?s device to convince yourself that self-sustaining magnetic motors are real.

In hundreds of years of **serious** scientific work, nobody has found a single machine able to do "perpetual motion" or in other words, the ability for generating energy from "nothing", and I (or any other skeptic) are the one who has to come with evidence that such devices are frauds??? I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but the system works in the other way. If you find something like this, it has to be reproducible again and again by  independent investigators in order to be considered serious.

That's all, I haven't seen any **serious** evidence of a working perpetual-magnetic motor here. SUre I've seen evidence of rotors/wheels turning **apparently** without external energy, but I can find many other more plausible explanations.

About your last phrase, why is so ridiculous to comment about a hidden battery?? why is it offensive?? is'n it  more ridiculous to say that the device breaks  phisic's laws tested and retested over and over again by thousands of much more intelligent scientist, experts in phisics and with lot of resources, than saying that there there is some hidden trick?

I come again to the same point: if it works, just prove it!! it should not be so hard, to build such a machine isn'it? if "self-sustaining magnetic motors are real" I should be able to build one don't you think?

[jbh]

Plus there is definately evidence of coverup in the US.  Tells me something is definately going on.

You may be right about that, but think about this: would the US gov. be able to coverup such a simple device (a few magnets and other common pieces) in the whole world??? I've seen reports of such supposed-magnetic-perpetual-motors in europe, russia, argentina, panama, just to mention some. ANd nobody never has comed up with a working modell, instead we have seen hundreds of frauds and lies and hidden energy sources in such marvelous devices.

Please tell me have really anybody here thought about, that ***maybe*** the simplest explanation (and hence the most probable) tho the whole torbay or magnetic motor story, is that it is a fraud?? just think about it.

[Omnibus]

In hundreds of years of **serious** scientific work, nobody has found a single machine able to do "perpetual motion" or in other words, the ability for generating energy from "nothing", and I (or any other skeptic) are the one who has to come with evidence that such devices are frauds??? I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but the system works in the other way. If you find something like this, it has to be reproducible again and again by  independent investigators in order to be considered serious.

So, if it is reproduced by others, despite the **serious** scientific work that has been done ?in hundreds of years? proving it?s impossible, you would accept it. Don?t you see the lack of lack of logic in what you?re saying.

This way of contradictory thinking and lack of understanding of the scientific method indicates that you are not a scientist or have very limited scientific credentials. Therefore, you should restrain from expressing opinions about scientific matters, especially when they are of the magnitude we?re discussing here.

That's all, I haven't seen any **serious** evidence of a working perpetual-magnetic motor here. SUre I've seen evidence of rotors/wheels turning **apparently** without external energy, but I can find many other more plausible explanations.

It doesn?t matter that you haven?t seen. You?re not qualified to judge the merits of a scientific discovery.

besides, I?ve given you a link to a video from which you would be able to see what you need to convince yourself of the viability of self-sustaining magnetic motors. As I said, however, it was in vain giving you that link because you don?t have the credentials, you?re not qualified to judge properly about the viability of the claims.

About your last phrase, why is so ridiculous to comment about a hidden battery?? why is it offensive?? is'n it  more ridiculous to say that the device breaks  phisic's laws tested and retested over and over again by thousands of much more intelligent scientist, experts in phisics and with lot of resources, than saying that there there is some hidden trick?

The failure of others (if they indeed have been failures and not coverup) by no means justifies alleging Snyder as being a fraud.

It is not only ridiculous, it is offensive. You should apologize to Snyder for making such un-sustained, libelous suggestion. Otherwise you?ll prove that you?re worse than the scam artists you describe. You?re a fraud, if you don?t appologize to Snyder.

I come again to the same point: if it works, just prove it!! it should not be so hard, to build such a machine isn'it? if "self-sustaining magnetic motors are real" I should be able to build one don't you think?

These are empty words uttered by a person of limited education with no or limited scientific credentials. You?d better not waste the bandwidth of this forum.

[Duranza]

Like i said berore.. Please keep this post only about information on the motor... If you want to discredit it, do it in your head and don't post. I'm no Moderator of any kind, but i'm very interested in this device. Besides if you think things like this won't work.... What the hell are you doing reading a site like this?

[dutchy1966]

Like i said berore.. Please keep this post only about information on the motor... If you want to discredit it, do it in your head and don't post. I'm no Moderator of any kind, but i'm very interested in this device. Besides if you think things like this won't work.... What the hell are you doing reading a site like this?

My thoughts exactly!!