Magnet motor in Argentina

[jaybird]

As for myself I would say I've got a pretty good understanding of the engine. There is only one thing at the moment which i do not grasp yet and that is where the springs are exactly and how are attached to the rest of the stator construction.
Anyone here that understand the mounting of the spring exactly?

Dutchy

?That is a question I am working on also...I feel that I have a very good concept of how "I think" this works...I even have been testing the ideas behind it as I go...but I am having a small problem with the springs also.

?I think the springs would keep a constant force DOWNWARD on the magnet levers... these levers need to be positioned at just the right place (a little above mid-center) of the rotor (all in repel)...the repel force of the rotor and magnet lever would try to force the magnet lever up, (with the fulcrum at the rear), but the lip-edge on the rotor-cover would not allow this until a "sweet spot" (notice the Up-Turned lip edge) allows it to...the spring may only "help" the magnet lever as it works its way back down to a steady repel-repel mode.

?More later, with pictures of my findings so far.


Jay

[cesarc]

Hi,
Sorry for my english, i'm from argentina. And sorry for the translation too.

There is an explanation in the hispaseti forum from Mr Torbay that reply the questions from others members.
Sorry if you already have this information.

Mr torbay say:

QUERIDO AMIGO
Dear friend

LA FUERZA UTILIZADA PARA QUE GIRE EL BRAZO ROTOR ES EL MAGNETISMO ENCERRADO EN LOS IMANES PERMANENTES.COMO PRODAS VER EN EL VIDEO CONSTANTEMENTE HAY 8 IMANES QUE SE ENCUENTRAN ENFRENTADOS .

The force used for the rotation of the rotor arm is the magnetism inside the magnets. How you can see in the video there are 8 magnets in front permanetly.

EL BRAZO ROTOR( EL QUE GIRA) TIENE 4 IMANES PERMANENTES CON SUS POLOS NORTE ORIENTADOS HACIA LOS BRAZOS ELEVABLES EXTERNOS , LOS BRAZOS ELEVABLES A SU VEZ TIENEN EN SU EXTREMO INTERIOR IMANES PERMANENTES CON SUS POLOS NORTE ORIENTADOS HACIA EL BRAZO ROTOR, DE ESTA MANERA SON 8 LOS IMANES QUE SE ENCUENTRAN BAJO EL EFECTO DE RECHAZO DE POLOS IGUALES .ESTA ENERGIA ES MUCHO MAYOR QUE LA NECESARIA PARA ELEVAR INDIVIDUALMENTE UNO DE LOS BRAZOS ELEVABLES EXTERNOS . AL ELEVAR UNO DE LOS BRAZOS LOGRAMOS QUE EL RECHAZO MAGNETICO SEA MENOR EN ESA ZONA POR LO QUE EL BRAZO ROTOR TENDERA A GIRAR HACIA DONDE RECIBA MENOR RECHAZO ,AL ALCANZAR ESTA POSICION EL BRAZO ELEVADO ES LIBERADO Y BAJA POR EFECTO DE UN RESORTE MIENTRAS EL BRAZO INMEDIATO POSTERIOR ES ELEVADO.DE ESTA MANERA OBTENEMOS UN DESPLAZAMIENTO CIRCULAR CONTINUO

The rotor arm (that gyrate) have 4 magnets with their north poles oriented to the external raising arms, the raising arms have magnets in their inner extrems with theirs north poles oriented to the rotor arm, then, thera are 8 magnets that are under the efects of magnetic same poles repulsion. This energy is much greater than necessary to raise one external raising arm. Wheb we raising one arm we get that the magnetic repulsion is lesser in that zone and the rotor arm tend to gyrate to the zone of lesser repulsion, in this position the raising arm is released and it go down for the action of a spring while the next arm is raisinsg. Then we get a continuos circular movement.


.RECORDEMOS QUE INVESTIGACIONES CIENTIFICAS HAN DEMOSTRADO QUE LOS IMANES PERMANENTES QUE SE ENCUENTREN BAJO EL RECHAZO DE POLOS IGUALES CONSERVARAN SUS PROPIEDADES MAGNETICAS CASI SIN ALTERACIONES DURANTE APROXIMADAMENTE ENTRE 5000 Y 50000 A?OS (DEPENDIENDO DEL MATERIAL CON EL QUE SEAN FABRICADOS LOS IMANES PERMANENTES)

Remember that cientifics investigations demonstrate that permanent magnets under magnetic same poles repulsion  will conserve theri magnetic propertys without alterations between 5000 and 50000 years. (depending of materials of magnets)

CON RESPECTO A PORQUE EL MOVIMIENTO NO ES UNIFORME ( ALGUNOS BRAZOS SE ELEVAN MAS Y OTROS MENOS) ES DEBIDO A QUE LOS CORTES REALIZADOS EN LOS IMANES LAMENTABLEMENTE NO SON PERFECTOS ,YA QUE ES MUY DIFICIL CORTARLOS A TODOS IGUALES (CUALQUIERA QUE HALLA INTENTADO CORTAR UN IMAN PERMANENTE DE TIERRAS RARAS SIN TODAS LAS HERRAMIENTAS NECESARIAS SABRA A QUE ME REFIERO) DE IGUAL MANERA ESTE DEFECTO NO IMPIDIO QUE EL DISPOSITIVO GIRE IGUAL .

Referred to why the movement is not uniform (some arms are raising more and others less) it is because
the cuts made in the magnets are not perfect because it is very difficult to cut them in the same manner) Anyone that has tried to cut permanent magnet without the necessary tools  know this) But this defect does not impede that the device gyrate.

SI OBSEVAN EL DISPOSITIVO QUE ESTA FILMADO EN ESTE VIDEO NO ESTA CONECTADO A NINGUN ARTEFACTO (DINAMO,ALTERNADOR) CON EL FIN DE TRANSFORMAR EL MOVIMIENTO EN ENERGIA ELECTRICA.EN BREVE SUBIREMOS VIDEOS EN LOS QUE SI ESTA APLICADO CON ESE FIN,ADEMAS TENEMOS PENSADO EN PARTICIPAR EN TODAS LAS FERIAS Y EXPOCISIONES DE CIENCIA QUE SE REALICEN EN ARGENTINA ,POR LO QUE PRONTO LO PODRAN VER EN VIVO

If you watch the device in this video, it is not connected to other device (dynamo, alternator) to transform the movement in electric energy. Soon we upload videos in that the device is applied to this goal. Moreover we think to participate in science exhibition in argentina, so soon you can see it.

POR OTRO LADO NOSOTROS EN NINGUN MOMENTO HEMOS PEDIDO DINERO .DE HECHO HEMOS RECIBIDO INFINIDAD DE OFERTAS ECONOMICAS MUY IMPORTANTES LAS CUALES HEMOS RECHAZADO.EL UNICO MOTIVO POR EL QUE INGRESAMOS A ESTE FORO ES CON EL FIN DAR A CONOCER INFORMACION CIENTIFICA DE LA QUE DISPONEMOS Y COMPARTIRLA CON QUIENES QUIERAN RECIBIRLA ,NO ES NUESTRA INTENCION COVENCER A ESCEPTICOS NI ENTRAR EN POLEMICA CON NADIE
SIEMPRE NOS HEMOS DIRIJIDO A USTEDES CON RESPETO Y ESPERAMOS IGUAL TRATO.

In the other hand we never asked for money. We have received infinity economic offers that we rejected. The only reason we have enter to this forum is to bring and share cientific information. It is not our intention to convince covence skeptics neither to cause controversy.
We ever have directed to you with respect and ask you the same behavior.


ATTE WALTER TORBAY
(INVESTIGACIONES CIENTIFICAS Y TECNOLOGICAS INDEPENDIENTES)

[jaybird]

The rotor arm (that gyrate) have 4 magnets with their north poles oriented to the external raising arms, the raising arms have magnets in their inner extrems with theirs north poles oriented to the rotor arm, then, thera are 8 magnets that are under the efects of magnetic same poles repulsion. This energy is much greater than necessary to raise one external raising arm. Wheb we raising one arm we get that the magnetic repulsion is lesser in that zone and the rotor arm tend to gyrate to the zone of lesser repulsion, in this position the raising arm is released and it go down for the action of a spring while the next arm is raisinsg. Then we get a continuos circular movement.

? I take that back! The spring DOES in fact keep constant downward force...and the "wheels" are rolling magnets that "lift" the lever magnets....hey!

Now I am getting somewhere.... Thank you Cesarc !

EDIT ADDED: Now I will have to order magnets...I have been testing using all round magnets, since all of my rectangle and square magnets are used in another project...
  This also confirms my theory that the rotor in fact needs to be as close to 1/2 the size of the diameter of the lever magnets (stator iguess you can call it)...at least that is what I found in my experiments...notice:

The rotor arm (that gyrate) have 4 magnets with their north poles oriented to the external raising arms, the raising arms have magnets in their inner extrems with theirs north poles oriented to the rotor arm, then, thera are 8 magnets that are under the efects of magnetic same poles repulsion.

[Liberty]

It appears to me that the purpose of the springs is to assist gravity, to ensure that the magnet returns to the lower resting position.  The rollers on top of the magnets are bearings to provide a physical stop to limit the upward travel of the magnet.  A repulsive magnet might be used in place of the wheel bearing to limit upward travel of the magnet when it flips up out of the way of the rotor.

[dutchy1966]

@Jaybird

?I think the springs would keep a constant force DOWNWARD on the magnet levers... these levers need to be positioned at just the right place (a little above mid-center) of the rotor (all in repel)...the repel force of the rotor and magnet lever would try to force the magnet lever up, (with the fulcrum at the rear), but the lip-edge on the rotor-cover would not allow this until a "sweet spot" (notice the Up-Turned lip edge) allows it to...the spring may only "help" the magnet lever as it works its way back down to a steady repel-repel mode.

I think thats what stefan meant aswell. But if I look at the pictures from the wooden prototype i see coil like springs laying next to the motor that seem to be used in a pushing fashion. To me they don't look like the type that is used to pull things inward.....
Could you post drawings of how you think one stator segment is constructed including positioning of the spring?

thanks,
Dutchy