Magnet motor in Argentina

[Omnibus]

The problem is here:
"It is also presumed that the net repulsive force in question is not only enough to turn the motor but also to lift one magnet off of the gap"
This is a presumtion, but is it true?

I agree. This is the gist and it has to be shown that it holds true. We will presume here that it does. I don't see why strong enough magnets cannot be found which at a particular shape and configuration will not accomplish this presumption.

Magnet nunmer M4 is out of the ring.
So the rotor in theory will turn in the direction of the missing magnet, the torque that the rotor will have is equal to the repulsion force of the magnet that is missing (you have to see this point very clear if you do not see it clear you need to revise your fisiscs knowledge)

No, this I don?t see. I see just the opposite ? because the magnet is missing it doesn?t exert any opposing force.

At the same time that the rotor turns have to move M5 out of the ring, but remenber this magnet has a srping that keep it on the ring, and to keep it in the ring you need the same force as the repulsion that produces M5 over the rotor.

We already said that, presumably, the net force in the first picture will be more than enough than that needed to lift magnet M5. This is the gist of the invention. Notice also that M5 is away form the rotor in the first picture and its repulsive force can be neglected compared to the overall force which pushes the rotor towards the gap.

So if M4 = M5 the repulsion forces they produce are equals as well aren't they?

So if both forces are equal witch force will make it move?

First, these forces are not equal at the various moments of movement of the rotor. Force due to M4 is practically non-existent in the first picture (that?s the pivotal point of the invention). The opposing force due to M5 can be neglected in the shown picture, as was mentioned.

Thus, the force that will make the rotor move is the combined force of M1, M2 and M3 as well as partially of M15 and M16 which push the rotor towards the gap in the above picture.

[_GonZo_]

Magnet nunmer M4 is out of the ring.
So the rotor in theory will turn in the direction of the missing magnet, the torque that the rotor will have is equal to the repulsion force of the magnet that is missing (you have to see this point very clear if you do not see it clear you need to revise your fisiscs knowledge)

No, this I don?t see. I see just the opposite ? because the magnet is missing it doesn?t exert any opposing force.

I see that you have the problem here, if you do not have this clear it is imposible you understand the rest...
I think that putting formulas and such will not help you to understand it, so I am trying to find a simple sample were you can understand it...

As soon as I find something clear I will post it.

[Omnibus]

Magnet nunmer M4 is out of the ring.
So the rotor in theory will turn in the direction of the missing magnet, the torque that the rotor will have is equal to the repulsion force of the magnet that is missing (you have to see this point very clear if you do not see it clear you need to revise your fisiscs knowledge)

No,, this I don?t see. I see just the opposite ? because the magnet is missing it doesn?t exert any opposing force.

I see that you have the problem here, if you do not have this clear it is imposible you understand the rest...
I think that putting formulas and such will not help you to understand it, so I am trying to find a simple sample were you can understand it...

As soon as I find something clear I will post it.

OK. Let me see the example. So far, however, you haven?t identified a problem in what I?m saying.

[_GonZo_]

OK I just thought another way to look at the device.

just think and try to give me an answer:

What force move magnet M4 out of the ring?

If the answer is your hand: sorry but you are adding energy to the system so no overunity...

If the answer is the mechanical sistem of the device: sorry again, but the strength of the spring is the same or bigger that the repulsion it creates if not the magnet will move away from the ring...

[Omnibus]

What force move magnet M4 out of the ring?

As was agreed, we start with magnet M4 up. This is the design. In the overall energy balance of the machine you do not include the energy spent to manufacture the details of the device and to put them together in the desired design.