Magnet motor in Argentina

[Omnibus]

Thanks, Stefan, I'll have to look more carefully into it.

[Omnibus]

Consider the initial state. All forces components by M3, M2 and M1 are axial (sin(alpha)=0)

This is not evident and because of that this part of your arguments fails.

but for pushing (down) the magnet you need TWO Frep*cos(alpha) from alpha 45 or greater to alpha=0 (exactly in the circle).

No, powering of the magnet (pushing it down, as you put it) is spontaneous ? no energy is spent by the motor. It can occur under the action of gravity, for instance. Therefore, the conclusion you make is incorrect.

There is another way to see it. Using energies ... In the initial state, there are another state with less energy and rotor moves to it. The energy difference must be used for two things: to move the rotor and to create another state with less energy that allows the rotor another movement (in other words, recover the initial status energy). Then the rotor HAS to gain another kind of energy for that not only cinetic, but, for instant, potential (or whatever you want).

Indeed, ?The energy difference must be used for two things: to move the rotor and to create another state with less energy that allows the rotor another movement (in other words, recover the initial status energy).? Presumably, such energy is available ? it?s the energy equal to the integral of the combined magnetic force (that pushes the rotor magnets) over the distance to the next position of the rotor facing three magnets. Probably even more than that energy is available (because, say, you have used super strong magnets).

(I?ve built a similar machine several years ago using gravitatory and magnetic energies, as a pendulus forced, transforming one in the other in a cycle). It seems a perpetual machine, and works, but if you extract a very little portion of energy, the system fall down.

Now, that?s interesting to see. If you have made it rotate due to a clever combination of magnetic and gravitational forces then that would be it. Do you have a video of it?

Then, the problem is not to create a state with positive energy transition (initial state to the next). The problem is to recover it (opposite cycle). I?m sure magnets HAS TO do it, but how?Huh My best wishes to who find it, maybe this device if I wrong (that is possible, of course).

Presumably, in Torbay?s case you more than recover the energy spent for lifting the magnet and turning the rotor. Suppose you?ve used very strong magnets with proper shape and have placed them in a proper position.

[jbh]

You?ve put it very mildly. If the device spins continuously on its own, without energy input from the outside, it will be a revolution in science of unknown proportions. Revolutions ins science, not to speak about revolutions of such proportions, would cause such profound changes in society which go well beyond anybody?s imagination.

if there is no energy coming from outside, where does the generated energy comes from?

[Omnibus]

@orionjf
maybe you can draw up your force diagram and can post it here
as an attachment ? Otherwise your argumentation is hard to understand.
Many thanks.

Ok, I?ll try to draw it this night.

I thought you implied you have a working model and this got me excited. While diagrams are interesting and are good as intelectual challenge, no diagram can substitute a working model. Have you ever had a working model or can you rebuild it, if you don't have it now, and show it in a video?

[hartiberlin]

if there is no energy coming from outside, where does the generated energy comes from?

The energy comes from cooling down the magnets and thus cooling down
the air around the magnets.
Just a another "second law" violation, nothing more.

It is a closed loop circle process, the light bulb running on the generator
ouput again
produces heat, so heat is just going around in a circle,
in the Torbay motor it is extracted via the magnets from the air and the surrounding
and in the electrical bulb loads it is again fed back to the environment.

This is the optimal "green" energy cycle with no bad pollution.