Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin

[forest]

Forest
I know how to get  OU!
This guy showed me how
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

God uses all the same building blocks with all the same rules!

we have guys here getting OU every day "Guaranteed"[Wattsup put that in my head ,I agree]
Just not harvesting properly!


Chet

PS
Funny he does this in the sea
If we do it in "the sea of energy"

THE SAME THING HAS TO HAPPEN "its the law"

I don't make the rules!and I usually don't like them!
This is an exception.

BTW this isn't from handsome-> <- [aka Teets]
Its just commonsense
Perhaps dead battery's harvest naturally ?

Tito will have to explain that.

To me the bottom line is "Harvesting"
The bug shows you can cause an OU event with a baseball bat!

yep, I wasn't sure if I could say that , if it's safe to say that.... pistol shrimp is doing what we have to do - magnetic flux or shockwave, gotoluc found it too in his self-powering coil with magnets
Sharp impulses of unidirectional direction, abruptly stopped creating magnetic shockwave, just place around as many collectors as you wish to multiply power.
This is what I was talking - find electrical implementation of whip ! Nature is our best teacher !
If you stick with the ideas I presented you you will find OU :
snowball effect, child pendulum method of operation without external power, whip and pistol shrimp.


Now delboy, Chet - tell me what is  the proper representation of whip in electric circuit ?

[ramset]

Forrest
I can not say "I am clueless"
But I can say I see it with my own eyes 
A few cm off the tip of that bugs claw

How do you "break" something?
Mom told me I was a natural,Tesla Broke wires !
busting the bonds yields the goods.
If I was to ask how do you keep the window open that the shrimp makes?
Wouldn't the logical answer be, take away his pistol and give him a machine gun that never runs out of pulses?

The question is how to Harvest?
We Know how to open the window.

Chet

[MrMag]

Now delboy, Chet - tell me what is  the proper representation of whip in electric circuit ?

The quick discharge of a capacitor should do it. The problem is getting the capacitor charged back up to do it again. I think that this is what Tesla is doing in patent 577670. He is running 2 in parallel to effectively double the frequency of pulses. I could be wrong since I haven't read the patent yet, just looked at the drawing.

[Magluvin]

Hey all, wow. almost a whole page in one day. =]

Deboy  good to see you are sticking around.

Have you seen the self oscillating coil thread that just started?  My guess would be he is making the cores ability to change field harder for the pulses from the coil, by having the magnet influence the cores field potential continuously. The magnet tightens the strings on the core guitar. So this tension will have a resonant freq at which if we pulse the coil with small pulses, we should get ring around the rosy, and the capacitor will get a pocket full of posies.  I think he is running at 21khz.  But when he removes the battery from the cap, this makes the cap the source, but the cap's voltage climbs after removing the battery.
Just wanted to get your view on that and how it may compare to what we are looking for here. More out than you put in. Over all, that is the main goal of the majority on this site.

If what Luc has going is the real deal, just the experience of understanding it, will open doors to understanding in other things. We can make resonators and wind a no. of coils and  yada yada yada,  but to have a self runner sitting in front of you, imagine the ambition to expand on that seed.
The crazy thing is, you just need to tune the core tension, with a magnet. That is how the freq of operation will be determined, and of course by the size and type of core. Just plucking the flux guitar. 

The magnet infused core thread is also the same thing.  One reason I liked this igniter was the freq was what you wanted it to be when ever you wanted.  I like freq that are not radio.  No fcc crap to deal with.
But if this is a way to get a resonant device to at the least, run it self, Im taking the class this semester.  =]

Mags
Im posting this on his thread also.

Mags

[baroutologos]

Shrimps and whips! 

Lets people get engineering and calculate some rough figures about Tesla's high inductunce. I have the question how much is the high inductunce anyway?

Let's take Tito's beloved patent 568,177 or ozone one.

I am going arbitrarily take the following figures

Motor RPM: 3000 or 50 turns/sec
Commutator makes/breaks: 4
Cap charges/discharges per sec: 200

resonant frequency: Because the L2 coil that must run on resonance for best results is a small coil (Fig2), i assume it will have a natural resonant frequency of some 600Khz. Using a Tesla coil calculator with the following data:

L2 coil diameter: 5 inch
Length: 10 inch
wire: 24awg
we have some 450 turns with an inductunce of 11m H with a natural freq of 600Khz

I proceed. if the primary is:
L1 diamter : 5 inch, 4 turns and 0.25 inch diameter will give some 5uH or less inductunce.
This will require a 14-15 nF capacitor to be charged 200 times per sec.

Again supposing that a resonable commutator voltage handling threshold 3Kv will require an amount of energy  0.07 Joules approx.
The inductor should provide that energy by being charged 1/400 per sec (approx. - if the commutator conducting surface of charging phase of  is equal to discharging one and 4 in number)

....
I will take as a example my Permanent magnet Dc motor that has the following specs:

Inductunce: 50mH
resistance: 0.4 ohm
operating voltage: 24V
L/R: 0.125 sec or 125msec (that will permit a 66% of maximum DC current) 24/0.4*0.66 = 40amps aprox.

Assuming linearity of current vs time for shake of conveniece, we have 40 amps current at 125msec and 20* 2.5/125 = 0.8 amps at 2.5 msec time. inductor's energy equals 0.016 Joules.

Actually my little motor combined with the afore-mentioned cap the latter will be charged under ideal circumstances some 1500 volts rather than 3000 volts assumed per time.

After that charge, the discharge time follows and a tesla coil action is set-up.
The novel part in those patents is that the inductor is CHARGED during the CAP discharge cycle.

...

And that will be all of Baroutologos' calculations based on the Ozone patent
Now you tell me where the OU comes into the picture