Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin

[Magluvin]

Sorry Loner. Were not trying to confuse.

See, I think that if we are looking for OU, that there is a possibility that it doesnt follow common rules as we know them. Or the rules are not all correct.

We can calculate and formulate all we want. For the most part, the rules do not allow OU.

I think that its possible that when we use the inductor to overcome the losses we are experiencing, and it works well at doing so, then maybe if we have no losses to begin with, we may be able to use the inductor to help get an OU situation.

If we are not really losing 50% by way of resistance, as we are comparing the air tanks, then why the claim that we are?  ;]  So we may be uncovering something here. Something that we want to know, and may help us with our goal.

I see that when we do a direct connection from cap to cap that current flows, through connections(wires, buss bars, what ever) and real work could be done with that current flow. But in this situation, we are wasting that ability to do work. We may as well put a heavy wire across a battery till it has half its charge. Waste.

Sure it will produce heat. But Im not seeing the heat as the loss. Im seeing the battery level out and lose charge unnecessarily, allowing the negative side electrons fill the holes in the positive side of the battery. Unless its heat we are trying to achieve.

Im seeing it as a function of current through a resistor or wire.

Like an inductor for example, if we run current through it, it produces a magnetic field. In the beginning of current flow through the inductor opposes the flow, like a high ohm resistor. No great losses there, little current is flowing. As the field builds, the current flow increases.

It has been said here that the inductor produces a magnetic field instead of heat, and that losses "in the circuit" are reduced tremendously.  So how does the single inductor in a circuit of other parts, like diodes, caps, wire, connections and switches, reduce the circuits resistance losses by almost 100%?

Especially if in a near 100% enegry transfer, more energy had gotten to the receiver cap as compared to a direct transfer, where we experience a 50% loss.

Currents are flowing through the circuit, but resistance losses are close to nil. How can that be?

So maybe in the direct transfer from cap to cap, the losses due to resistance dont exist as the books say. Maybe the caps just level out to 50% losses just because direct dumping is just a stupid thing to do. ;]

Energy is flowing from cap to cap, but in a useless way. So we introduce a flywheel in the path of current flow and we can get up to 99%+ from 1 cap to another.

Or in a direct transfer, from cap to cap, at first the currents oscillate at very high freq till it settles. If we were able to disconnect the caps at the end of the first half cycle of the oscillation, I think we will find that most of the source caps charge will be in the receiver cap.

Just as if we used a diode to cause a rectification of the oscillations. So during that half cycle, the caps go through a point that each cap has 1/4 the total energy stored.

Source cap has 100v and receiver has 0v. Half way through the direct discharge, the caps hold a total of 1 half the initial source value of energy.

So the inductor is able to overcome almost all seeming losses in the transfer.

Hope you are getting our drift here. Something just doesnt seem right. Were trying to figure it out. ;]


mags

[woopy]

Hi Loner

very interesting post

I totally agree with you, that we have to focus on the inductor properties (eventually coupled with the diode) and how the  "pumping" works.

Now i think i am ready to make a further step to  discover the "  compagnon field " in the coil.

yep i like surprise and  i am sure there is something here.

And if it is not a surprise and all this can be explained by common physics rules, i will anyway  learn something more, so for me it is a win win situation , so let's go

good luck at all

Laurent

[Magluvin]

Wow  i think I will have to wait till after work to reply to all of that Loner. Very interesting though. Thanks for the input here.

I do understand that the inductor is the focus.

We had to get the cap thing out of the way though. As we use it to determine accuracy of the ins and outs. =]

We could use batteries, but the caps give a simple and accurate view. And its simple. ;]

It all may come to a head that the books are correct. I cant say that yet. Not right now. But if it does, our experience will be deep.

I have ideas for bifi coils, and series coils with shorting on one of them during a cycle.

I have not gotten into these yet, but I imagine once the series coils got rolling, if we short one and release later in the cycle, the one that was shorted is still rolling hard through the short, then released later as the other coil is wound down. I dont know if the results will be better, or same, or worse.  But it is the weird and wacky ways that maybe nobody has tried yet.  ;]

The bifi's capacitance interests me.   If we charge up a bifi capacitance, with both ends open, I think the initial burst on the coil when shorted would be immense. Each coil winding will in complete have opposite charges, and when shorted just may cause more effect than an external cap dumping into the coil. We will see.

No stone unturned.  ;]

Thanks guys  ;]

mags

[forest]

Don Smith said interesting thing. He said that electricity is EM field : electro-magnetic. Both equal and opposite. I conclude that one is flowing internally inside wire and one is flowing outside and cannot escape due to the balance.Electrons are just small magnets which provide the lag between two flows and this lag is current and is used to move them around so they produce magnetic field around and the effects of magnetic field change. I think you know what is the 'holy grail' here,right ?

[forest]

Mags

You are on the right track. The ultimate answer is to get bifilar coil and manipulate by changing connections