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Overunity Machines Forum



This device is the real self-running overunity?

Started by Arthurs, May 17, 2010, 03:45:15 PM

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NTesla

Quote from: Dr on September 09, 2010, 09:54:29 PM
@N Tesla: So you have made an exact replica? It makes sense that the magnets would spin at higher rpms, higher RPMs would create more flux buildup in the coils, and as soon the magnet entered the domain of the coil, the stronger of the two would grab the other. And the exit would have the opposite affect. It would be like trying to cut a hardened steel bolt with a pair of scissors, the scissors would have a tendency to move in the opposite direction!!!

No I haven't made a replica - I am considering it but need enough evidence to justify the time, effort, and money to do so. If not enough proof exists that the disc magnets rotate (i.e this is fundamental positive aspect of the design) then isn't the design just a simple magnet motor?  If you remember the Mylow saga then you know what I mean :). You could be right about the flux in relation to the RPMs. If I had the correct size magnets sitting around I would definitely attempt a replication.

I was just wondering, perhaps the disc magnets DO rotate but the torque of the MAIN rotor results in an opposite effect so they end up 'switching' only when they pass the inductor?

Dr

@ NTesla: Yes I too would like to know a few things, Like the size of the air gap between the magnet and the coil,   the size of the coil, how many turns and size of wire,  and diameter of air core, and of course exact size of magnet, they look to be about 3" dia. 1/2" thick with an ID of 1" I looked at " Applied magnetics.com" but they didn't have anything close to that size.

NTesla

Quote from: Dr on September 09, 2010, 10:47:22 PM
@ NTesla: Yes I too would like to know a few things, Like the size of the air gap between the magnet and the coil,   the size of the coil, how many turns and size of wire,  and diameter of air core, and of course exact size of magnet, they look to be about 3" dia. 1/2" thick with an ID of 1" I looked at " Applied magnetics.com" but they didn't have anything close to that size.

Candidate disc magnets I have found that look suitable are from HKCM (Magnet monster). I chose these ones because they are a large enough diameter and have a 6mm centre hole (the non-magnetic shafts I have are 6mm). One could get fancy and have custom sizes made, but for a proof-of-concept thats very expensive:

https://www.hkcm.de/product_info.php?hkcm=engineering&products_id=3710&mwst=on&des=off&dna=2&adia0=&idia0=&hig0=&amass=&bmass=&hig1=&arad=&irad=&hig2=&wink=

https://www.hkcm.de/product_info.php?hkcm=engineering&products_id=7369&mwst=on&des=off&dna=2&adia0=&idia0=&hig0=&amass=&bmass=&hig1=&arad=&irad=&hig2=&wink=

gauschor

Holy shhhhhhh... yeah that's expensive. I experienced that myself whenever ordering magnets. If it is larger than 3cm the price raises exponentially.

But let me tell you that is only because you choose to use Neodym magents! I am not sure that Wendell uses Neodym, because his magnets are most likely dozens of years old and you wouldn't get Neodym magnets at that time anyways. I found out that you'll get usual Ferrite magnets quite cheap. For example http://www.magnet-shop.net/Ferrit-Magnete:::27.html As you can see these magnets have a diameter of 10cm or more and still cost only a maximum of 20â,¬.
The shape of the listed magnets does not fit for Wendells device because of the inner hole too large, but there surely must be a shop somewhere or the possibility to order custom magnets.

Anyways but again we should know how strong the magnets from Wendell were. If they were only medium I'd think that simple ferrite magnets would work too. But can't say for sure.

Airstriker

Quote from: NTesla on September 09, 2010, 06:27:01 PM
Upon closer inspection of "New Generator Video Part II 2-14-2010" (2:19) and more clearly the first video "Free Energy Generator- The real deal!" I realise I was wrong! In the the second video the obvious movement (later on from 2:19) is most likley inertia as a result of Wendall stopping the main rotor. But to me the greatest evidence that NO rotation of the disc magnets occuring is the first video. I slowed it down frame by frame and used the reflective part of one of the disc magnets to track any rotation in relation to the centre hub, for a time period when the camera position was relatively stable. When I measured changes from the first frame to the last, their was NO movement, down to the millimeter level. If the disc magnets DO rotate, they don't at slow speeds!
That's unfortunately also what I've seen in my tests and in the videos :( But I still hope, there is a way to make them roll ;)
As for tests - I don't think you need such big and strong magnets. Waste of money. I'm using these:

http://www.magnesy.eu/mp_50_x_7_x_5__n38h_-_magnes_neodymowy-t-599.html

Strong and big enough. And have a hole just fitting my shafts.

One more important thing - don't use iron or any other magnetic material shafts. I'm using brass shafts which I had rifled (to mount the magnets on the shaft using brass or plastic srews). This way you won't have any unnecessary flux leakage. Unfortunatelly these shafts are not cheap. I've tried plastic ones but they are not stable enough.