Buoyancy wheel driven by HHO electrolysis.

[Low-Q]

Imagine you have a buoyancy wheel with several spokes - let's say 10 spokes. On each of the spokes ends there is a hollow container that is filled with clean water. Each container have an opening at the outer end. This whole wheel is now always under clean water.

Now! We apply a DC current through the clean water inside those containers at the bottom, and those on one side of the wheel, and let the DC current flow until the containers is almost on the top.

Well! What will happen? The containers at the bottom, and all of those which is on one side of the wheel, will be filled with HHO, and therefor water will be displaced. HHO is a gas that is even lighter than air. Now, one side of the wheel is lighter than the other side, because one side is filled with HHO, and the other side is filled with water. This will force the wheel to rotate - no doubt about that.
Each time a container almost reach the top, the gas will escape from the opening, and water will pour back into the containers. We save the gas and ignite it to boost the wheel so we will get back most of the energy we spent to make the electrolysis of water.
Also the HHO gas displace 800 times the the volume of the same weight in water. 1 liter of water gives 800 liters of HHO. 800 liters of displaced water has a potential to provide a great torque on a wheel!

What we know, is that there is a connection between how much gas we produced (The potential energy we store in HHO) and how much energy we applied to the water to make HHO. But is there a connection between the mass of the water (its potential energy in the mass of water) and the energy applied in the electrolysis to convert water into HHO?
I mean, if we anyway gets back most of the energy (Even only 50% back) in the electrolysis process by igniting the HHO produced, there should be literally loads of excess potential energy that we can harness in the buoyancy wheel!

What do you think guys? Need drawings?

I will also post this under gravity powered devices.

Vidar

[sm0ky2]

this concept has been cooking for quite some time. minor experimentation has been done. results unknown


i asked OpenAI about this question. in 2 parts, and here is it's reply:


""how to extract energy from the difference between buoyant force and gravitational force using phase transition""




ANSWER:
""One way to extract energy from the difference between buoyant force and gravitational force using phase transition is through a process called "buoyancy-driven power generation".
This process takes advantage of the fact that some materials, such as certain types of fluids, undergo a phase transition (e.g., from liquid to gas) when heated or pressurized.
The basic idea behind buoyancy-driven power generation is to use the difference in density between a heated or pressurized fluid and a cooler, less dense fluid to create a flow of the fluid, which can then be used to turn a turbine and generate electricity.
Here's a step-by-step process for using phase transition to extract energy from the difference between buoyant force and gravitational force:





Start with a fluid that undergoes a phase transition when heated or pressurized, such as a refrigerant or a working fluid used in a heat engine.
1: Heat or pressurize the fluid to cause it to undergo a phase transition from a liquid to a gas.
2: As the gas rises due to its lower density, it will encounter a cooler, less dense fluid, such as air or water.
3: The difference in density between the hot, pressurized gas and the cooler fluid will create a buoyant force that will cause the gas to rise even further.
4: Use the upward flow of the gas to turn a turbine, which will generate electricity.
5: Once the gas has cooled or lost pressure, it will condense back into a liquid and flow back down to the bottom of the system, where it can be heated or pressurized again to repeat the process.


By continually heating and pressurizing the fluid to create a phase transition, you can generate a continuous flow of electricity using the difference in density between the hot gas and the cooler fluid. This process can be scaled up or down depending on the amount of energy you need to extract.""





""how to extract energy from the difference between buoyant force and gravitational force using phase transition from water electrolysis""

ANSWER:

Water electrolysis is a process in which an electrical current is passed through water to separate it into its constituent elements, hydrogen and oxygen.
To extract energy from the difference between buoyant force and gravitational force using phase transition from water electrolysis, you can follow these steps:
1: Set up an electrolysis cell consisting of two electrodes (one positive, one negative) immersed in water.
2: Apply a voltage to the electrodes to create an electric field, which will cause the water molecules to split into hydrogen ions (H+) and hydroxide ions (OH-).
3: The hydrogen ions will be attracted to the negative electrode (cathode), where they will gain electrons and form hydrogen gas (H2). The hydroxide ions will be attracted to the positive electrode (anode), where they will lose electrons and form oxygen gas (O2).
4: As the hydrogen and oxygen gases are produced, they will rise due to their lower density compared to the surrounding water.
5: Collect the hydrogen and oxygen gases separately and store them for later use.
6: To extract energy from the difference between buoyant force and gravitational force, you can use the hydrogen gas to power a fuel cell. In a fuel cell, hydrogen gas is combined with oxygen gas to produce electricity and water.
7: The electricity generated by the fuel cell can be used to power various devices or stored in a battery for later use.
8: The water produced by the fuel cell can be recycled back into the electrolysis cell to continue the process.


By using water electrolysis to generate hydrogen gas and then using the hydrogen gas to power a fuel cell, you can extract energy from the difference between buoyant force and gravitational force. This process can be scaled up or down depending on the amount of energy you need to extract.

[Willy]

 Low Q

As most here are aware, all processes, motors, generators and so on operate at 100% efficiency if all of the outputs are taken into consideration (otherwise or normally, a
percentage of the outputs are considered as losses). Heat is the form of energy most
often lost in those devices and processes. Heat is also one of the humanly most desirable
and used forms of energy.

If electrolysis when conducted at some higher pressure (under water for example)
becomes less efficient in terms of gas quantity produced, than is the gas quantity
produced by electrolysis conducted at some lower pressure (sea level air pressure for
example), it is likely because more heat is produced in place of gas.

In either situation, the equality of the input to output, 1:1 or unity, remains the same (all outputs considered). More gas but less heat or more heat but less gas.

If our goal is to heat our house.  When the H and O are burned the heat produce by its
burning combined with the heat generated during the electrolysis are very nearly a 100%
efficient conversion of electricity to heat.  As so also, are conventional resistive electric
heaters.

The gases produced are more buoyant in water than in air. They have a greater upward force
in water than in air. Therefore more energy can be extracted per unit of distance of rise than
can be extracted per unit of distance of rise in air. This is good in that it allows for a more compact device (not as tall).

[Cloxxki]

Low Q

As most here are aware, all processes, motors, generators and so on operate at 100% efficiency if all of the outputs are taken into consideration (otherwise or normally, a
percentage of the outputs are considered as losses). Heat is the form of energy most
often lost in those devices and processes. Heat is also one of the humanly most desirable
and used forms of energy.

If electrolysis when conducted at some higher pressure (under water for example)
becomes less efficient in terms of gas quantity produced, than is the gas quantity
produced by electrolysis conducted at some lower pressure (sea level air pressure for
example), it is likely because more heat is produced in place of gas.

In either situation, the equality of the input to output, 1:1 or unity, remains the same (all outputs considered). More gas but less heat or more heat but less gas.

If our goal is to heat our house.  When the H and O are burned the heat produce by its
burning combined with the heat generated during the electrolysis are very nearly a 100%
efficient conversion of electricity to heat.  As so also, are conventional resistive electric
heaters.

The gases produced are more buoyant in water than in air. They have a greater upward force
in water than in air. Therefore more energy can be extracted per unit of distance of rise than
can be extracted per unit of distance of rise in air. This is good in that it allows for a more compact device (not as tall).

i'm not convinced a pingpong ball sized bumble of hydrogen will allow for all that more more energy extracted underwater than a same size bubble of air. Both are tiny compared to the mass they displace.
All the work you need to do to bring that air bubble down under water to "start" the process, you also need to invest for the H over a zero pressure or even a 1 atmosphere environment.

[Willy]

i'm not convinced a pingpong ball sized bumble of hydrogen will allow for all that more more energy extracted underwater than a same size bubble of air. Both are tiny compared to the mass they displace.
All the work you need to do to bring that air bubble down under water to "start" the process, you also need to invest for the H over a zero pressure or even a 1 atmosphere environment.

"If electrolysis when conducted at some higher pressure (under water for example)
becomes less efficient in terms of gas quantity (MASS IN A GAS STATE)  produced, than is the gas quantity (MASS IN A GAS STATE) produced by electrolysis conducted at some lower pressure (sea level air pressure for example), it is likely because more heat is produced in place of gas.

"In either situation, the equality of the input to output, 1:1 or unity, remains the same (all outputs considered). More gas but less heat or more heat but less gas."

UNDER WATER "more energy can be extracted PER UNIT OF DISTANCE OF RISE than can be extracted per unit of distance of rise in air. This is good in that it allows for a more compact device (not as tall)."

BUOYANCY IS CAUSED BY DENSITY DIFFERENCES. 

THE TOTAL ENERGY AVAILABLE FROM GAS RISEING IS DUE TO DENSITY DIFFERENCES

BUT ALSO THE SIZE OF THE BUBBLE or THE AMOUNT OF SUBSTANCE RISEING AS GAS (HOW MUCH or MASS or THE AMOUNT OF SUBSTANCE RISEING).

NEXT, IS THE DISTANCE THE GAS RISES.