Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Circuit / A First Application on a Hot Water Cylinder

[Omnibus]

Just imagining that someone proved something is just that, imagination. No science there.

[shruggedatlas]

Hi shruggedatlas.  Yes.  I do think they work on principles that have NOTHING to do with a flow of electrons.  But I am absolutely not that anxious to convert anyone at all to my thinking.  I've simply explained why I think what I do.  No-one's under any pressure or obligation to 'buy in'.  And you're right.  I reference it everywhere.  No single branch of physics is better developed or advanced than that related to quantum electromagnetics.  And - to date - there is no substitute for the electron as the 'carrier' of this energy.  It's just a badly flawed concept that is nonetheless - very effective as a concept.  It works - and it's used.  It's just wrong - is all. 

You must remember that dark energy and dark matter are now entirely proven - yet there are renowned academics who absolutely reject that proof.  Michio Kaku is on record.  He says words to the effect "All the text books that have ever been written.  They're all wrong."  It's just that the 'change over' to new concepts is having a harder time of it than ever before precisely because so many really clever people have bought into ideas that will be entirely outdated within the very near future. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Just because something else in science may or may not be correct does not mean that something as well known as electric current is misrepresented.

You say that your view is just your way of thinking, but anyone can say that.  I could say that electric current is black magic from Jesus.  So just saying it without evidence is not helpful.  And just saying you have not observed anything that would prove to you that electrical current is the flow of electrons means nothing.

What would mean something is if you were to put forth evidence that would contradict current theory, but as you say, you are not anxious to do that, but then, why even say anything.

[WilbyInebriated]

Just imagining that someone proved something is just that, imagination. No science there.

this is again a strawman fallacy being used by you...

so was that a yes or a no on the first question?
and was that a yes or a no on the second question?

[Omnibus]

@shruggedatlas.

If you go back in the thread you'll see that Rosemary gave certain explanations but, like I said, they fly in the face of well established and easily demonstrable facts. One, indeed, may have his or her own beliefs but broadcasting them as the rejection of well understood facts isn't acceptable.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Just because something else in science may or may not be correct does not mean that something as well known as electric current is misrepresented.

Hello again shruggedatlas.  That is hardly an argument.  How many hundreds - if not thousands of years was it well known that the stars in the night sky orbited our planet together with our sun.  Science has an unfortunate history of being shown to be wrong - both in general and in particular.  It's the nature of the beast. 

You say that your view is just your way of thinking, but anyone can say that.  I could say that electric current is black magic from Jesus.  So just saying it without evidence is not helpful.  And just saying you have not observed anything that would prove to you that electrical current is the flow of electrons means nothing.

I have explained my argument - repeatedly through these many posts shruggedatlas.  I can defintely say that electrons do not constitute the 'carrier' of electric energy as I have the thesis and the experimental evidence in support of that thesis.  If electrons constituted the material of current then we would never have achieved OU results.  The concept of electron current flow requires total conformity to equivalence principles. 

What would mean something is if you were to put forth evidence that would contradict current theory, but as you say, you are not anxious to do that, but then, why even say anything.

On the contrary.  I most certainly do have the required evidence.  Lots of it.  Very comprehensively documented.

Regards,
Rosemary
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26240411/PROVING-OVER-UNITY-THE-HARD-WORK-OF-MANY-DEDICATED-OPEN-SOURCE-MEMBERS