Joe Cell: Why is it not a big items here? Simple to make.

[mramos]

I have looking outside of my normal searches over the last week.  I see a lot on this simple to make unit called the Joe Cell, yet I do not see a lot about it here.
Has anyone made one, the stainless is the hard part to find local. 

Is this unit a hoax and that is why it is not here?  I realize it looks to good to be true. But years ago build the, "condenser" as I see it has a name now, for my fuel enjected car and still to this day use it, if I keep it clean, get an extra 40-50 miles per tank.  I would have never thought that would have worked. Simple to make.

[huuman60]

I have watched about ten videos of the Joe Cell in operation and probably have a couple of days reading and watching time logged so far.  The Joe Cell is definately for real and is not a hoax. 

I am very interested in developing my own Joe Cell car and am presently looking into doing same.  I just ordered four books from Amazon on the topic and am actively looking for a sound carburated car with an aluminum block engine to experiment on. This can't be all that hard,  but it seems that it could be dangerous without the proper background.  It aappears that Joe may have been lucky to have survived his initial success.  It also appears that Joe would likely be hard of hearing at this point,  if nothing else.

I have a lot of experience in auto repair and renovation and own several classic cars that I have fully restored and I built a 25' sailboat many years ago from scratch,   plus I have a pretty good theoretical background,  so I should be able to tackle this project successfully.  I also have a good friend who is well versed on steam engines and another with a machine shop.

From all that I have read on the Joe Cell and having followed the Cold Fusion debate since 1988  and have been an avid reader of Infinite Energy Mag since Dr. Gene Mallove first brought it out.  I now am fairly convinced that the Pons & Feischman experiment is a specialized form of the Joe Cell (not the reverse).  This would account for the problems that scientists have had in replication.  Since the Joe Cell has been developed almost entirely from the empirical side by hands on,  creative people,  it seems to me that it is quite a bit further along in development and amounts to a very sophisticated Cold Fusion reactor.  There have been several scientists along the way who have suggested that the Cold Fusion device did not hinge on heavy water... so we have dueterium and palladium left.  The Joe Cell produces deuterium on its own and may be a much better developed environment than the palladium cathode which allows the reaction to move up.  The addititional use of a water jacketed aluminum  piston engine may have been a case of extreme luck.  Without the work that Joe did,  it may have taken another thirty years before anyone ever got to such a useful application as an actual engine.

The Joe Cell is worthy of a lot of attention and quickly.  Joe accomplished where the scientific field failed when demonstrated that  he was able to predict and duplicate virtually every phase of this reaction precisely. 

[oouthere]

I can state with certainty that this is a most difficult system to duplicate.  I spent probably better than a hundred hours on this project, built three different cells, achieved stage three and never had a motor change its characteristics.  You can pursue this but know that only a few people managed to make one work and all had help from Joe.  Even of those that stated it worked, at least one said the effect only lasted 30 seconds which, imo, was only the gas running out of the carb before it died.

Remember this fellow that demonstrated free energy many times?: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,393.0.html

Even though he would show people what to do while he was there, their devices would not work.  It's basically the same with the Joe cell, without the JOE, it does not work.

Rich

[huuman60]

You achieved Stage III in a hundred hours ?   And you are complaining?  Let's see, we are talking "free" energy here,  are we not?  I will be ecstatic if I am rewarded with that kind of progress.  As I understand it,  Joe started working on his after the first flukey response in 1991 and the 2 1/2 hr video that I watched with all of his working  cells was made in 1995...   four years.  I'll bet that,  by that time,  he had literally thousands of hours into it.  He was obviously extremely well versed on its working aspects even if his science may have been a bit shakey.  He knew just what to expect and when.  You don't get this kind of knowledge in a hundred hours.  You get your feet wet.  I plan on reading everything that I can get my hands on relative to Orgone Energy and Joe's cell,  and watching Joe's Video ten more times before I start. Being a slow reader,  that is a hundred hours before I turn a wrench.  I  probably read thirty books and talked to every sailor that I could find  before I started designing my sailboat.  I was rewarded with a great sailing,  but not perfect, boat in about three years spare time...  over two thousand hours.   This is infinitely more important than any sailboat.

Considering that the future of our offspring and possibly the planet (though I think the planet will be fine)  is at stake here,  this sounds like a great way to spend my next twenty years of spare time.  I don't see anything out there that is competitive in terms of measurable results, utility,  and real promise in the free energy field. 

In any case, thanks for the warning.  It will help keep me from becoming discouraged.   Now,  let's all get to work and make this thing a viable part of the next generation's life.  We owe it to them after having screwed up this planet like we have.  It is the least we can do. 

[oouthere]

Yes, I'm complaining.  Why waste resources on something that is known not to give results except to a very few and then not reliably?  And no, Joe didn't have hundreds of hours in the cell when he got the first one to work.  He was trying to get a vehicle to run on hydrogen but made a mistake in where he placed the intake hose from the cell.  So yes, please read and maybe you'll start to see why I chose not to pursue the matter any longer.  I would highly suggest you divert your resources into something with a better chance of success.  But if you choose to waste the next 20 years of your life and the promise of other systems that seem more viable, you are not only cheating yourself but all the others that need our help.

And like others that have experimented with the cell, I've had at least one helicoptor come close enough to my house while the cell was at stage 3 to blow the toys out of the pool and wake-up my in-laws staying in the guest house.  Been there, done that, have the t-shirt.  You act as if I gave-up to early, sheesh.  You go out and buy the 316L pipe in  minimal 20' lengths, pay to have them cut, pay to have them machined and then buy a lathe to polishe them.  Then you put hours upon hours of work into the cells, driving hours to find different types of water.  After you've done that for a couple of years then you can criticise me, until then I suggest you reform your opinion of why I left the project.

You want to read the story?  Start from the beginning:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/joecellfreeenergydevice/  That was my site until I turned it over to someone I trusted.  My screen name was oouthere on that forum as well, and that is my cell on the homepage.  I read every book, article and saw every tape and video that was available before I started my first cell.  This sounds like the same research you INTEND on doing. 

When you get one running, let the world know and I'll offer my deepest apologies for this reply.  Until then, I'd settle down and listen to someone whose been there.

Rich