Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[gauschor]

some of these batteries never run out.

The thing which bothers me here is that:

after 4 months it has lose 1/2 the current and some voltage it still outputs 30mA and 1.2 volts

So they actually do run out. It also hints again to some corrosion process, and I am therefore assuming some kind of reaction takes place between the elements in the tube - probably due to some moisture. The drainage process might happen much faster if you put on a real load.

[NickZ]

  I have explained in other threads that the reason that the cement cells never run out, is because they are not the source of the energy, anymore than solar cells is.
  The reason that they lose some of the output,  is due to them losing their ability to conduct the current after a while, instead of what appears as they are draining in voltage and current. Although they can and do hold or store some power, they are not just like a battery, or a normal capacitor either , but more like a permanent output higher farad capacitor, with some battery holding ability. 
  I am disappointed in both their ability to be not be able to be placed in parallel, as well as there diminishing output.  But, they are still lighting my house every night, as night lights.   
  The only way to improve on the results up to now,  is to stay with it...

[ibpointless2]

The thing which bothers me here is that:

So they actually do run out. It also hints again to some corrosion process, and I am therefore assuming some kind of reaction takes place between the elements in the tube - probably due to some moisture. The drainage process might happen much faster if you put on a real load.

Yes some of these cells are galvanic and do run out of usable power over time. I can't speak for the Hutchison cells for I have not made one but the Concrete or Cement cells are for the most part a galvanic process. Especially the concrete cells that are in a soda can, as those cells are filled to the brim with concrete and for the water inside to completely dry is almost impossible. The can cells trap the water inside making it hard for it to escape, that is why it makes such a great cell to have.

I don't mean to attack the idea of these cells as I do work on them myself, its just that we need to work towards cells that are not galvanic. To say these cells will always produce power is very much true but the same goes for a AA battery too. You can short a AA battery out for a year and it will still bounce back in voltage just like these cells do.

I also think that amps are not what we should be going after. Its the amps that is killing the galvanic cells just like with any other battery. The amps need to be down to almost zero if you want free energy by not destroying the dipole. And yes voltage can do work as it is energy. I also find that concrete is not the best to use as it holds water and destroys the plates much faster. I find that using glue spread out on a flat surface and not place in a container to work the best, it dries faster when spread out and the glue dries clear once all the water is gone. But the glue needs things added to it to be affect like potassium chloride.

[ibpointless2]

I've been think very critically about these cells and have listed the problems that we must solve first as to eliminate the galvanic reaction and what it brings.

-Water: Water has got to the biggest thing with these cells as water causes a galvanic reaction.

Concrete; Concrete by itself is corrosive due to the limestone in it and the fact the concrete doesn't dry clear can't show us the inner workings of the plates to see if they're corroding or not. Plus Concrete can take months to dry, we need something faster.

Dissimilar metals: This one is a tricky one as the dissimilar metals are key to getting a potential. Using the same metals does give a voltage so that shows that the energy we're seeing is not 100% galvanic.

Using containers such as soda cans: Using containers like soda cans helps to trap the water in as it can not evaporate. If you think about it water thats been spread out over a surface will evaporate faster than water in a soda can.


The solutions that I have come up with so far...
-I've replaced Concrete with Elmer's glue, its cheap, already has the right amount of water in it, dries clear, and most importantly it dries much faster!

-As for a container I don't use one. What I find best is to spread the glue over a flat surface but not just any flat surface but notebook paper. The notebook paper will actual absorb the water thats in the glue out and away from the cell. Also spreading the glue out on the paper allows it to dry faster.

-Using just glue will not work, when it dries it makes a very good dielectric. The best things to add to the glue are salts. Table salt has work really well but it is very corrosive so its not best to use table salt. Adding Potassium Chloride and Epsom Salt to the glue and mixing it in works best. The crystals of the salts make the cell more conductive. Its the crystals that we're after as they produce they produce the energy we need (ions).

-I also use small plates, wires actually. I could get more amps if I use bigger plates but its the voltage that you want.

-Also I don't try to hook a load directly to the cell, but instead hook a capacitor to it instead. When you do this you can see a very interesting effect. If you take a cell that only produces 500mV and hook it to a capacitor with less voltage in it than that of the cell the capacitor will charge up above the original 500mV to something like 600mV.


With these small improvements I edge closer to a non galvanic reaction.

[NickZ]

   
  Guys:
  I got a couple of PMs to answer, but I thought that I'd toss this out there, again...

  The main idea that I am trying to convey is that these cells are not really storage or holding cells,  but are permanently outputting what they receive, just like magnets.  It their inability to do so over time,  that makes it APPEAR AS IF they are draining, or losing power.
  Please, keep the analogy of the solar cell in mind, and don't look for how long the cell's charge lasts, but instead as how efficient they are being, at the time.  (100%, 60% etz).
  Most if not all batteries are affected or broken down for the same reasons. Galvanic or not.  All batteries break down, many times just due to their connections points which are exposed to the oxygen in the air.  Even if these cement cells as well as other cells were made absolutely dry, there would still be the oxygen in the air affecting them.  More so where I live. Right now (92% humidity, and high salt content in the air).
  It takes a different kind of thinking to understand a perpetual cell. And I do understand that nothing is forever.  Except who we really are.