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Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

Started by dani, April 26, 2006, 04:11:36 PM

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NickZ

  @ b_rads:
   Thank you for your PM.  I thought that I would post your video link here as well, for all to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id3tL2iI0Vw
   This video does seam to have some merit and relation to what we are trying to understand. 
   In our case with the cells, I don't think that the reason that they function is mainly due to a galvanic chemical reaction, although there are some similarities when compared to galvanic batteries, and as to why they lose power. 
   

ibpointless2

The Elmer's glue, potassium chloride, and Epsom salt cells are doing very well. These cells are placed on notebook paper and the notebook paper seems to absorb the water out and away from the cells. The crystals are drying very nicely. The best part of these cells is that they keep the voltage they start out with and take shorting out very well. They all start out around 560mV when first made and stay at that voltage even when they have dried. Giving them a load the voltage does go down but allowing the cell to rest brings the voltage back to where it was. The most amazing part of this cell is that it starts off at 560mV and when it dries it stays at 560mV, I never seen a cell do that. I also use copper and aluminium wires as my plates.

Pirate88179

Quote from: ibpointless2 on July 12, 2011, 07:41:52 AM
The Elmer's glue, potassium chloride, and Epsom salt cells are doing very well. These cells are placed on notebook paper and the notebook paper seems to absorb the water out and away from the cells. The crystals are drying very nicely. The best part of these cells is that they keep the voltage they start out with and take shorting out very well. They all start out around 560mV when first made and stay at that voltage even when they have dried. Giving them a load the voltage does go down but allowing the cell to rest brings the voltage back to where it was. The most amazing part of this cell is that it starts off at 560mV and when it dries it stays at 560mV, I never seen a cell do that. I also use copper and aluminium wires as my plates.

Very creative idea with the glue.  Does your output increase at all when placed in the sunlight or heated up a bit? Can these be placed in series or parallel?  Would the voltage increase if you made a large one?

Sorry for all of the questions but this is very interesting.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

ibpointless2

Quote from: Pirate88179 on July 12, 2011, 07:54:16 AM
Very creative idea with the glue.  Does your output increase at all when placed in the sunlight or heated up a bit? Can these be placed in series or parallel?  Would the voltage increase if you made a large one?

Sorry for all of the questions but this is very interesting.

Bill


Yes power does increase when placed in sunlight or heated by your hand. Yes they can be put in series and parallel. The voltage is setup by what metal you use and the amps depend on the size of your plates. The Epsom Salts and the notebook paper dries the cells out quickly leaving behind a very hard white/clear crystal. I have not made a big one yet but I doe expect that voltage and amps would increase with a bigger one, but bigger takes longer to dry. Cause the cells are on paper I can hand them up like clothes on a hanger (once they dry a little bit over night) so that I can fully get all the water out.

I'm taking a different approach with these power cells, I'm not after the crystals but instead after radioactivity. Don't worry its safe radiation, no more than what's in a banana. Speaking of Banana over at another forum (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7351-bedini-earth-light-25.html) there is talk of using a banana in one of the cells and it seems to working very well. Its about the ions not the electrons with these cell. Also other glues give different results but I use the white school glue, wood glue seems to work good too.

These cells that I have now seem to be taking to loads and shorts very well. They do drop in voltage when given a load but has so far found there way back to the original voltage.

ian middleton

G'day all.

Got home from work at 7:30 last night and by 8:30 had duplicated JH's cell from his video. I made one change and that was using germanium instead of galena. Using his ad hoc method I used 1 scoop ( tsp) RS, 2 scoops ES, pinch of calcium carbonate ( as powdered calcite), silver filings and Iron pyrites.
The test strip was primed with thick Sodium silicate.

Good fluid mix when hot, easy to work with. Initial voltage after a 12V charge was 1.54 volts. This of course reduced over time and was 1.47V after 18 minutes. The actual surface area of the copper and zinc electrodes was a mere 1.5 square mm so the cell cured and dried very quickly. The voltage recovery time after a short  was about 45 seconds. This cell was then placed on the data logger overnight. At 05:05 am the voltage was down to 1.05V but had stayed at that for the previous 7 hours.

I made a second test strip at the same time using the same batch of ingredients only this time I added 1 grain of copper sulphate. This had the effect of changing significantly the cells characteristics. The initial charge voltage was higher , 1.64V. It held this voltage for a short time and then dropped to below cell 1.  1.02V vis 1.16V after 1 hour.  The cell is highly temperature sensitive and seems to have a critical temperature of 19.1 oC where it's voltage rises sharply.

The copper sulphate cell was put on the load test.  I've described the rig in an earlier post but basically a 1.8Kohm load is switched across the cell for 7 seconds and then allowed to recover for 40 seconds and the cycle repeats. I ran the load test overnight. In the morning the voltage was 0.51V. Not bad for a cell so small. At that point I took it off the load test and let it recover. After 35 minutes it's voltage had recovered to 1.05V, the same as cell 1.
Cell 1 is now on the load test and I'll see the results of that tonight when I get home.

What I have just done is to verify JH methods and ingredients and they appear to work.

@ ib,  on 9th July I made a cell that contained 3.3g of powdered uranium glass. I thought the radiation bit would interest you.

The cell was a variation on the RS/ES cell and also contained pyrites and sodium silicate. The mix hardens to a tough ceramic and holds it's voltage well. The uranium content of the glass is about 2%. The cell has a very high internal resistance and the voltage drops to near zero under load but rebounds after a few seconds. It too is highly temperature sensitve. I cannot say for sure whether the uranium glass is aiding the voltage but it recovers faster than most cells that i have built. The radiation coming from it is about  20 times background so don't put it in your mouth. ;D

Ok thats about it for now, I'll have more results tomorrow.

Keep at it guys.

regards  Ian.