FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR

[crazycut06]

Hi,
If I may chime in, Ismael did say in one of his videos, that the power output cannot be measured because of high voltage transient spikes and he said he already damaged some scopes because he is trying to measure the output, thats why the DOST of the philippines did not take the risk of frying their oscilloscope, and only used the dyno's result to estimate the power that is coming out of the wheels...

[crazycut06]

Konehad:

You have to prove that with measurements.  Like I already said, if you assume that your moving magnets are on a rotor, you can't necessarily perceive that the rotor slows down with a quick test using your five senses.  You draw a very tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor when you do a really quick shorting at the peak.  Then when the coil is charging the capacitor, you draw another tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor.

Whenever current is flowing through the coil it is acting like a magnet in opposition to the rotor magnet.  Nobody has a work-around for that one at this point in time.  You can talk about cheating Lenz' law and that's fine - then you have to go an back up your theories or statements with hard data.  That's supposed to be the fun part.

MileHigh

But what about the speed under load thread? or Thane heins regenerative acceleration coils? Aren't they lenz killer? For what I know it can also be made in solid state...

[forest]

Hi,
If I may chime in, Ismael did say in one of his videos, that the power output cannot be measured because of high voltage transient spikes and he said he already damaged some scopes because he is trying to measure the output, thats why the DOST of the philippines did not take the risk of frying their oscilloscope, and only used the dyno's result to estimate the power that is coming out of the wheels...

Yes,yes yes! Here is the analogy : if you slowly put hand into water there is not much resistance but if you slap it fast water will respond like solid wall. Now inside water there is more to be done because this effect occur only at the barrier, so you have to create a bit of air or bubble inside then slap throught the bubble.
You see ,universe is simple ,everytime there is common analogy and every electrical device is just that...

[MileHigh]

Crazyct06 and Forest:

In this case the output is measured mechanically on dynamometer, so there is no issue.  As far a transient spikes go and stuff like that goes, it all can be measured also.  Those things have to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

if you slowly put hand into water there is not much resistance

Exactly, but the key is there is still some resistance and it can be measured.

You can indeed make analogies to any electrical circuit.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Konehead:

I used rpm meter., and also analog meter on power input to puelse DC coils spinnng  rotor of large flat rotor of 8 neo magnets, spinning past coils each side of rotor being shorted into fairly big caps  it would reflect alitllte bit on motor draw, UNTIL I got it down to the "ratio" of .5ms time-length to coilshort of a sinewave peaks, and this was with 60hz sinewave. dont tell me my meauserements were not accurate and you wat proof

I can't comment at all about the specifics of your setup.  It sounds like you were driving a pickup-coil/shorting/cap pulser setup with a motor and monitoring the RPM of the drive motor.  If that's the case then it's perfectly conceivable that the drop in the motor RPM was imperceptible when you got it down to 0.5 mSec.  You are dealing with the same measurement phenomenon here.  Also, were you draining the caps afer each pulse?

you really like to make stuff up in your imnagination
the offical report came out about a month later there are photos of it and what it says on pesiwki I have seen it so has everyone else too (but I guess not you).
Engineers were there, the DOE people and lots of them...(again you make stuff up )videos of all the engineers and all are there in video IF you want to watch it and study it.

I do NOT "make stuff up" and I resent you stating that.  I gave you my honest impressions of the DOT testing from my memory from more than a year ago.  I didn't state that my impressions are absolute facts.  Then I found the preliminary report and read it again and commented on it.

I am NOT a bullshitter and you have a problem with people that disagree with you.  That's what a forum is all about, a respectful debate about different subjects of common interest.

Like I said, I am not really interested in the DOT test of the buggy.  It was raised in the thread and I gave people my impressions.  I will not have that twisted and spun into allegations that I am making stuff up or intentionally trying to confuse people - that is totally unacceptable.

My primary interest is in the allegation of 3:1 energy gain with the coil shorting technique.  I stated that that has to be confirmed with serious scientific measurements on both the input and the output and nobody can disagree with that.

MileHigh