Relative Permittivity of Water

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I found a doc = ' Defence special weapons agency high voltage breakdown studies " , tagged -declassified- but it dissappeared on me or I was blocked.
It went into 304 SS,different metals  and Rudenko + Tsvetkov HV water tests , it was 130+ pages from dtic.mil

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic  .........................tax dollars at work ,so might aswell use em, they use you!

http://search.nasa.gov/search/search?baynoteOrGSA=baynote&nasaInclude=dielectric+properties&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=nasa_production&oe=UTF-8&actionType=searchIndex&numgm=5&site=nasa_collection&proxystylesheet=nasa_production
....................................more tax dollars..

IF Delrin is used on plates , it eliminates 304 ss in any way necessary , IF theres no physical contact with the water ,it can be any non magnetic metal OR any type of water which also eliminates electron extraction ...thru the plates.

If theres no electrons entering , theres no electrons leaving either.

First time Ive seen Stan meyers WFC international news letters , Pat Kellys site.

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/P7.pdf

11 A# Fall 1996 page 9 top = " Water dielectric value 78.54 OHMS " ? ?

10 # May 1994 page 6 top = " Dielectric value of water 78.54 OHMS " ? ?

Dielectric constant is NOT measured with an OHM-METER .. HOW ? ? ?

IF stan meyer was Ex-military then he would know the value of strategic embedding misinformation ,  its deliberate.

" The truth shall set you free " ......  does that apply to stan ?   

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A discussion over water , out side of the free energy type forums...
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/65068-resonant-frequency-water-distilled-how-make-speaker-play-underwater.html

Plasma speaker/ singing arcs = an audio signal (music or fixed freq) goes into a FBT pri and the HV sec arc has an audible out put.     kindve like the keanue reeves movie ,Chain reaction.

*****Legend has it that the inventor of the plasma speaker died from ozone poisoning*****

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_speaker

Good description of FBT , power inductors...
http://www.butlerwinding.com/store.asp?pid=28196&catid=19973
http://www.butlerwinding.com/store.asp?pid=28336

Real good example of clarity of singing arc...
http://wn.com/vladimiro_mazzilli_zvs_flyback_driver?orderby=relevance&upload_time=all_time

Basic circuit of Mazzilli ,1/2 way down..
http://sites.google.com/site/uzzors2k/flybacktransformer

****A Mazzilli circuit is a resonant circuit on steroids and not to be stuffed around with especially hooked to the mains***** .  The pri coil is the only alteration needed.

IF or WHEN water is used - you will see if water is behaving as a Resistance or a Dielectric .
This is a good test for Delrin water caps . DC CANNOT GET THRU A CAPACITOR and any testing should reveal a few things.
A smoothing cap goes from HV pos+ output to earth , some already have them inside , others dont.   (that would be a parallel cap)
Large projection TV FBT seem to be crap in comparison to computer size CRT FBT.
External ,series caps on the out put are DC blocking caps (coupling caps) **optional/experimental.
If used ,the legs can be covered in sheathing from wire off cuts + coated with polyurethane to seal and insulate.
The sec is full of diodes so its the quickest way to get HV DC with out stuffing around with transformers and winding ratios and AC .

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I had a look thru my old notes of testing similar to Kadoras set up .
with charged plates continuity is one way and open the other way, the same as if testing a diode fwd and reverse bias.
If it were modeled it would be more like a zener and R , once theres overpotential , current flows and electrolysis begins. ( for continuous current)
The model of Sandias water switch is the same on a large scale, no continuous current= no electrolysis.

Intrinsic properties being permittivity + conductivity, high polarizability and non linear R.
The tests didnt include Capacitance because plate area ,spacing gap and dielectric constant didnt go near calculated capacitance VS measured capacitance.

Testing was done with .1 uf cap in series to block current on the neg side ,with 12 VDC across the lot.
Other testing was done without .1 uf cap + 1 to 2.5 VDC.

**capacitance test is NOT done on a charged cap, they are always discharged ,it can damage a meter.

Heres an example of the Imperial cap formula that Stan meyers "fiddled " in the WFC tech brief EQ21 ,sect 7,page 8  C = .2249 e A / d E   (??)

Actual REAL formula ; C = .2249(KA/d)
http://www.learn-about-electronics.com/the-farad.html     

This an example of Stans elongated molcule, normally called distorted electron orbital path.
http://www.learn-about-electronics.com/capacitance.html

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H20power..  (oouch)
If you have 78.54 ohms **R** I have no problem with that. (An R decimal indicates a meter reading)  Note that R, X, Z and dielectric constant are 4 diff things.

Stan Meyer repeatedly printed 78.54 ohms as dielectric constant of water, WHY would he print a LIE to the people supporting him on the ride up ? ?
He didnt live long enough to see them on the way down.
No one can stand by that statement ,it cant be written or measured in ohms, its a RATIO it has no UNITS...NONE.

Stans income was from the free energy market ,  who happen to be 180 degrees to the target market =  The MAJORITY/ GENERAL PUBLIC/ GOLDEN GOOSE ...WHERE THE MONEY IS.

Stan is the person who was denying the world WFC tech, HIS only possible Allies could be GOV ,MILITARY,AUTO, NASA or LARGE FINANCIER... ALL of which are already tied together interdependently.

Nowhere have I doubted HIS invention , to do that is to write off Puharich + Horvath,  HORVATH is the only one still alive, No One talks of him.? ? ?(lucky him)

I respect the time and effort youve plugged away at WFC theory, NO ONE can knock you for that.
WHY would I ? ?
I DO NOT agree with anything stan said or wrote, anyone can double check his formulas , its an easy exercise and presents a clearer picture.

I havent read your thread , I just do not have the time , I dont come here often. (Its DATED).
Nothing Ive written is knocking you ,How you interpret that I dont know, IF anything its encouragement.....

***tau = CR ***  ,   Xc and XL are not invited.

** IF you calculate magnification of your coil ,youll be SHOCKED!!

I wouldve thought you would be on =ionizationx.com ,  surely theyre like minded and probably welcome you with open arms.

http://www.ionizationx.com
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=rj6aj7bp878mv0mdu48n1tvq22&action=register

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..Reread your post and I think you nailed it in one
"you do not aid humanity in any way shape or form towards being energy independent"

Youve said what Ive been trying to get across, I have Quoted **Stanley A Meyers**, word for word,section and page number, trying to point out that he was misleading.

They are **HIS ** words **NOT MYN**, HE wrote them.

Minde4000 helped out there big time , he opened that can of worms .

The news letters and WFC tech brief are hollow and have no value at all.
We all have the benefit of hindsight of Stanley A Meyers ,  so with Honesty , ask yourself, 

**HOW did he actually aid humanity in any way shape or form towards being energy independent?
..drawings? formulas? scripture? donations ? newsletters ? WFC tech brief ? Patents ?

**HOW would he benefit from sharing his circuit or technique to penniless peasants ? ? ?

NOW ... IF 78.54 ohms is now considered to be Z matching, the formula is now...

R  +  Xl  +  Xc  +  Z   X   C

That makes it worse than before.

I started working on Industrial Switch gear in the 1990s
I first heard of Stan in the 90s
I was actually trying to HELP you .... Best of luck


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http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_16/index.html

http://elkomak.4t.com/catalog.html .. built this one, nice

http://www.bcae1.com

http://www.learnabout-electronics.org DC transients mod 4.3

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_16/index.html