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Relative Permittivity of Water

Started by Torana, October 14, 2010, 04:35:01 AM

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Torana

VIC Discussion;

Stan; "if I hit this at 10 khz would this NOT increase it to 20 khz?"

Stan; "so not only is this a pulsing circuit to restrict amp flow, it also is a frequency multiplier.....and GUESS what else ?....if I was going to increase more Hydrogen gas yield ,what else would I do?"

response; "increase the voltage"

stan; "yes ,now how would I do that ?"
" would I need to change the pulsing circuit here?"

response; "just change the amplitude of it"

stan: "all I have to do here is just increase the number of turns of this coil, would I NOT ?"

(* NO , more turns = more inductance = lower frequency = pulse circuit change of frequency, the centre freq has SHIFTED )
The circuit drawn on the blackboard = Fig 1-1 (AA) , is not a pulse forming network or Voltage doubler. It is not in the same catagory as a Villard gen , Marx gen, CW cascade or pulse forming network , which are all V doublers.
LC in parallel can be called Parallel resonant , Anti resonant , a Trap or Tank but none contain a diode , half wave rectifier.

Torana

VIC Discussion;

As soon asthe locals question Inductance in milli Henries or frequency, stan shifts to the other black board.
Stan; "when you release the energy from the water in the form of the Hydrogen gas ,its energy yield is 2 and 1 half times that of gasoline...note the rule of thumb , its not 2 and a half times that of finger nail pollish , its not 2 and a half times that of butter ......its actually 2 and a half times that of gasoline........OK now ?......OK?......all right.."

**ATTENTION SUCCESSFULLY DIVERTED AWAY FROM QUESTIONING = DELIBERATE DIVERSION,
DID HE ANSWER THE QUESTION?

Stan; "the action is really hitting it with the voltage, when your tuning into the resonance and when you hit in resonance under this condition, then the water molecule just falls apart..... OK? ...so ahhh.."

question: "yes but Im asking , what is the resonant frequency of water ?"

Stans reply; ...? Stan launches into water quality , contaminates, ppm etc

IRRELEVANT REPLY = DELIBERATE DIVERSION,  DID HE ANSWER THE STRAIGHT QUESTION ?

Stan ;" under the law of physics says if I got an oxygen atom here thats got ahh...3 missing electrons alright.. there fore I can ...suck it off the ground of earth..see ? to bring them back to stabilize"

(OR ....the negative plate , IF it is a capacitor , its supposed to be according to stan but then Rea Oneill said the water was the source of Voltage but then stan just said electrons can be sucked from ground, what happened to displacement current ?)

Torana


The thread   "relative permittivity of water" = fundamental basis of a water capacitor.
Stan doesnt mention effective electric field, internal field 180 degrees to external, opposition, displacement current ,dielectric losses ,hysteresis etc.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/dielec.html

http://www.jossresearch.org/tjiirrs/005d.html

A genuine water cap does not produce hydrogen, it stores energy.
Stans water cap story is more than likely diversion tactic.
***Intrinsic properties of water dont allow for what he goes on about.***

As for the rest of the video , I cant look at it any more. Ill point out again , there is no copy right on the VHS video , I hear people a claiming rights . 

Torana

When reading the Tech Brief pdf you can type in keywords in Select Tools at the top left and itll take you to hi lited pages, keep tapping Next, in FIND.

eg; MONATOMIC= 0 , DIATOMIC= 0, Alternating current= 0, centre frequency = 0, reactance coil = 0 , Quality = 0, oscillation = 40 x , resonance =8 x ,Ohms = 10 x (only) ,78.54 = 6 x,
78.54ohms = 3 x, attenuate = 11 x , attenuated = 6 x , choke = 40 x.

Search does not include diagrams.

An Attenuator is the opposite of an amplifier, it removes POWER from a signal... yet another way for stan meyer to stick it up replicators , he didnt say replicators are going to bring it in.

A reactance coil has high Xl but low R ,also called a choke coil . (Q= X / R )

Stan wrote " 11.6 K ohm coil " , if thats R measurement like aaron murakami beleived it to be , then it is NOT a reactance coil and if its SS 430 then theres the problem of skin depth and skin effect , especially for AWG 44 as murakami claimed to use.
I couldnt find the waterfuel.100free  Qiman/murakami site , it mustve been taken down ,I would guess he would want that to dissapear .

Stan said water becomes an electronic component ,... so how is that component connected?
the plates can be series or parallel but the water is neither , it is a uniform body.
10 years ago I made individual cells so they could be genuine series , parallel  configuration without sharing the same body of water.
Testing was also done with/out using HV series cap coupling to add XC and block DC.
The conclusion = water caps do not produce hydrogen
Cells produce hydrogen using DC or diodes
Also water itself has attenuation coefficient which limits the range of radio signals

Torana

One day stans Tech Brief will be seen as useful as the Fast Freddy Hydrostar manual and that really is a pile.
Im genuinely shocked how long stans info has hung around without being evaluated by ANYONE , (try and find one)
Its not like its a hard thing to do , its chocka full of mistakes and misinfo.
Stan Meyers is stone cold dead but still has remote control of people.  unbelievable

I had a look at climtechsolutions evaluation of Bob Boyce circuit , these guys are Nutech2000 , Ian and co . 
I think this is the page .... hes another freddy dud.

http://www.climtechsolutions.com/?page_id=3/bob-boyce/test-results-sept-27-08-for-bob-boyce-cell/page-1