Relative Permittivity of Water

[h20power]

Here we go again...
So on your thread you were waiting for a challenge before i even knew you existed ,so basically YOUR AFTER ME!     I was actually asked onto this site to help someone.
Obviously your NOT too humble and you didn't really want anyone to point to your mistakes.
**Can I correct you yet again?
Water has a VERY HIGH electrical breakdown voltage. Vbd stands for breakdown voltage
Vbd = Eds.d
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_PF_6w5tz30J:www.waterfuelconverters.com/SandiaNationalLabsData.html+breakdown+voltage+of+water&hl=en&gl=nz&strip=1  **SCIENCE**
Rudenko, Tsvetkov 1964 =50MV metre
Decomposition potential of water = 1.229VDC  Pretty much ALL schools have this basic info
http://www.learnonline.com/pdf/Parallax%20Fuel%20Cell%20-%20Decomposition%20of%20Water.pdf   **MORE SCIENCE**
*You might want to learn about fluorescents and neons...Whoops !   helping again.
Ive put links up everywhere..simple..Im NOT FORCING anything, Its a personal choice to learn or NOT.
Have you found a replacement for a SCR yet ?
You NEED that before you can replace OIL.

I see you were banned from AAC
@ 2009 you were asking for help and 2 years later your using a phase control device (SCR) on a full-wave circuit...
http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=27203

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon-controlled_rectifier
SCR ..AGAIN!   R stands for R E C T I F I E R ! !

Your AAC thread is exactly the same as it is today, Hasn't changed at all.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=mob2ttn3gm98c6j9ia39gt3t16&action=register
Wouldn't it make sense to join ionizationx ?

Obviously your still pissed that I corrected you on time constants , SOMEBODY had to.  I was trying to help you then as NOW!
* READ about the SCR, the **1981 ** 8XA
is a DUD!   Whats a 7490 for? decreasing freqs are the opposite of harmonics and higher energy. Yes really.
We both know you struggle with electronics so why would I rip into ya?
* their science tally is actually quite high thus far.

There is a big difference between dielectric failure and electrical breakdown where something starts to pass amps. Water will start to conduct and at a very low voltage and that is precisely why it is so hard to develop a corona breakdown in water. Meyer found that the solution to this problem was to add in a lot of resistance. You can see what I am talking about here about corona breakdown and do note the graph of the voltage/current relationship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_breakdown

So to ionized water is to create a corona breakdown. In order to do that when water will become conductive at the voltages you already mentioned you have to follow the graph in keeping the current low. And the broad definition of electrical breakdown is when something starts to conduct current and water starts to conduct current at those low voltages you looked up for everyone.

Do you see the pattern I have of asking questions and then going about answering those questions? How do you think I got this far with Meyer's work, asking and answering questions, and as Meyer himself put it, you have to ask the right questions .

Basically from how I see things one has to be a mechanic and a science buff to solve just what Meyer did. You have to understand the basic rule of fuels and then understand the finite parts. In all fuels there has to be some form of instability. With gasoline the oxygen atoms want the hydrogen atoms more than the carbon atoms do, but oxygen just can't simply reach in and take the hydrogen atoms from the carbon atoms thus the need of a spark or heat ignition source. So now that you have that question in mind let us look again at just what Meyer did from that perspective.

The Gas Processor is a device that creates instability in the oxygen atoms from the incoming air supply so that the unstable oxygen atoms will replace the stable oxygen atoms found in the water molecules and just the same as gasoline it needs a spark to set things in motion. With me so far? In breaking the bonds of the water molecule with the ER arrays Meyer developed a corona discharge so that the water molecules would start to eject electrons, I normally call that ionization of the water molecules. I went over the order in which electrons start to be ejected already but if that wasn't enough for you then simply look into the matter for yourself. Now can you see how this all works?

Building it all correctly is where I am at right now, as the science part is done from the looks of it. Asking and answering questions is how I got to this point and will be how I get the technology up and running.

I was tossed out of ionizationx for not staying on the hho bandwagon from my perspective, tossed out of the circuits form for showing how the gas processor worked, and tossed out of the energetic site for poking holes in their Nitrogen theory far too often. Not many can understand this technology and as a result I have run-ins with them as when they try and throw their non-science views on me I simply toss them back in their face.

I am not mad at you or even mildly pissed off to be honest I am not even here for you but for all the others reading this thread of yours as someone has to lead the way towards some real answers to some of the questions they all might have on the technology. Someone has to show the science in easy to understand ways so they can start to see it too. Having grown tired of seeing people run around in circles by threads such as this I simply decided to do something about it. People want answers to questions and solutions to problems not the run-around. To put it in simple terms we can care less about what lies or the many ways that Meyer said and/or hid the technology from everyone. We want the good science that shows how he did what he did not a side show of entertainment.

PS I ran spell check for you since you seemed to be too heated to do so

h2opower

[Torana]

Hey Ramset,
Painful ?  This is Rock n Roll .  Cant say Ive seen a Tony woodside , is he next?
Hows the cat ? my cars still grubby ....

[Torana]

Basically from how I see things ,one has to be an electrician and have a patent in order to talk accurrately on the subject.
Notice the 3 phase pf cap, E.I.T manual and patent invoice pics ?   .. should be self evident....

Low V = decomposition potential of water  = electrolysis
HV  + dielectric /Breakdown voltage of water = NOT related to electrolysis

Has science changed over night? ...OR do the facts remain the same?

Like I said ,Im one of the many that have been before you.
*** It is standard practice to analyse available data, if I saw your calcs as wrong ,should I NOT have corrected them ?

Im not using force , its a personal choice for anyone to follow links , that is called EDUCE.

**Your more than welcome to tell ME how components work.
As for the mechanic view, I know my way around cars, Ive got a harley sitting here that I rebuilt from the ground up, so Yea  Im with you there too!.....  Me keep up.

Is water still measured at 78.54 OHMS or have we made it over that line?
Your latest diagram still has it there , Please explain, is it mechanical?  OR can some one else dare ask ?
Its a realisation NOT a kick in the guts.

[Torana]

Hang on ..Heated?  where? , when?  whatve I done now?

As for spelling I do **NOT** take punches at anyone about their Adult literacy skills, did you see the HUMOUR?   y know .... humble..
..someone some where was laughing.
I dont do spell check...take a look,  I pride myself on having better things to do.

Ask the right questions:

#1:How much coca cola would coca cola sell if coca cola gave away the coca cola secret?

#2:How much KFC would KFC sell if KFC gave away the KFC secret?

#3:How much WFC's would WFC sell if WFC gave away the WFC secret?

***Well worth thinking about and straight to the guts of it.***

[h20power]

Hang on ..Heated?  where? , when?  whatever I done now?

As for spelling I do **NOT** take punches at anyone about their Adult literacy skills, did you see the HUMOR?   y know .... humble..
..someone some where was laughing.
I don't do spell check...take a look,  I pride myself on having better things to do.

Ask the right questions:

#1:How much coca cola would coca cola sell if coca cola gave away the coca cola secret?

#2:How much KFC would KFC sell if KFC gave away the KFC secret?

#3:How much WFC's would WFC sell if WFC gave away the WFC secret?

***Well worth thinking about and straight to the guts of it.***

That was my thoughts of why you didn't use spell check when you repeatedly show times when I didn't use it, you know the old saying treat people like you want to be treated yourself is what applies here.

Now about selling the technology and giving it away as I have done, you will find one can do both. How many people world wide could build these things for themselves? You will find not many would be able to even if they where give a full set of plans. From how I see it with this technology starts the change towards ending the monetary system as once one is energy independent and applies that to ever part of their life what use would the monetary system be?

People now days have been conditioned to take the easy path, even if KFC gave the secret people just don't have to the time to cook it for themselves or are just to lazy to do so, or just don't have the knack for cooking. It is the same with the WFC(ER) the ER is simple to understand but it is not all that simple to build correctly. I take it you have seen the photos of the dune buggies ER and seen the electrical connectors, right? Just the connectors alone will cost someone $220 US if someone just flat out copied what they see and that cost doesn't include the cost springs or shipping just the part that holds the springs as one would need 22 of them. Then there is machining it to get the springs to have the correct tension and have a water tight seal at the same time. Since everything is in water only SS springs will do, again on the costly side. But this is only talking about the ER. What about the much needed Gas Processor(GP)? The cost of the LEDs all have a minimum buy of 100 LEDs each some of the LEDs cost $9.60 each which means one has to spend $960 US to get them. Then one has to design a laser charge pump and let me tell you that is not an easy thing to do as you can't make it as small as a straw for the engine will not like trying to suck air through a straw. Gas speeds have to be calculated for the laser charge pump has a fixed pumping rate once it is tuned up and the variable voltage must come in to compensate for the increases in gas speeds as the engine goes through it's RPM ranges. I write it in a way that lets folks understand the science but building it correctly is something not many can do and or afford to do as it does have a large price tag on it and is complected in it's design.

There was once a video of IronHead showing him with a hand held laser beaming it through some water asking, "What does light do?" That is the level of understanding most of the world has on how to get light to interact with matter it just simply goes over their head. That is a large reason why so many think the GP is just a light show and has no worth in Meyer's technology when the facts show it is the heart of the technology. Even if one is to get an ER up and running correctly it would take far too many LPM to equal the energy content of gasoline which it is being tried by many to be a replacement for gasoline. Again when I talk of energy content most have no idea what I am talking about and how it relates to work being done by the fuel tandem with an internal combustion engine. The oil paid for science guys are all to happy to show people just how much hho would be needed to be made on demand to replace gasoline or diesel as a source of fuel.

I find it hard to believe that I have been kicked out of several forms for saying that the GP is the true source of energy being added to the system and not the ER which the hho band-wagoners insist is the heart of Meyer's system. I have shown just how much energy there is being added to the system even made a graph to illustrate the different energy contents of a few different fuels to put everything in perspective. I guess I could have tried to place in all the common fuels so as to not leave anyones favorite fuel out, but the numbers would not be changed as you have noted in reading some of the post I made in the circuits form. Science has a way of staying the same over long periods of time.

So what does all of this mean? It means even if someone like me comes along and gives the technology away no one will build it for it is far too complex and expensive. The would however buy it premade for them if it has been shown to work. That is where I am at today, trying to build it all for them correctly so all they have to do is buy it and move on with their lives.

Hope that helps to put things into perspective,

h2opower