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There are two machines made from Petros Zografos.

One generates huge amounts of HHO and the other generates directly electricity.
The main principle of both machines is the same and they do not work with any kind of electrolysis.

The production of the HHO is done by bombarding water with high frequency electromagnetic waves in a scale of THz ( the exact frequency is kept secret).
In order to achieve the reaction we need two more things, one is a metal alloy ( again a secret, but it is made from very common metals, as the inventor says) and the second is a kind of colloid ( once again a secret, but there are no more secrets, this is the last one! :) )

In the process of HHO production the metal alloy disintegrates and the device producing almost 47 MJoule/Kgr = 13 KWh (per kilo of metal alloy) with a cost of 0.8 Euros/Kgr ( in the articles they say 7-8 euros/Kgr but in mass production it costs 0.8 euro/Kgr or less)
The power consumption of the electromagnetic wave generator is 350 mWatt which it is been produced from the device itself.

The device became known to the public from a popular Greek journalist Makis Triantafilopoulos by presenting it on his internet TV Channel of zougla.gr

There are plenty of videos presenting the device and opening it down to the core! there are no hidden wires or batteries.

It can supply power for devices like drills and heaters ( the device he is presenting on the TV show is 700W output)


Here are some links : (sorry almost everything is in Greek)

inventors bio: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE%AD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%96%CF%89%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%82

TV Show - Demo of HHO device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPonbPUQ_I&spfreload=10
TV Show - Demo of electricity production device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sK9ceGtry8&spfreload=10

HHO device running a motorbike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQHV1zXcD0&spfreload=10

device tear down:
main body: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Ps1R03WqM&spfreload=10
core         : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbuUxqM4Zk&spfreload=10

The patent and schematics are here:
http://www.hellagen.gr/search/label/ΠΑΤΕΝΤΑ

site dedicated to the invention: http://www.hellagen.gr

You can find much more information by googling "Petros Zografos" or "Πετρος Ζωγραφος"

This subject was mentioned here before, in 3-4 posts in another discussion but I believe it worths a discussion of his own due to the big impact that creates in energy production.

What about 13.56 MHz?

Test tube in an RF machine at 13.56 MHz with saltwater produces pure constant flame above it:

Water As Fuel Unlocked by Frequency Resonance:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8xYUDiSGDk

Salt Water Into Fuel (HD3 News):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo


"Instead of broadly slamming the water molecule with an offset voltage for hydrolysis - the applied voltage is specifically applied in a process that coaxes the hydrogen atom off the water molecule. For example, this is rather like getting a singer on precisely the right pitch to break a glass. In this case, to use the analogy, the glass is the precise bond geometry of hydrogen.

"This approach well result in a drastic reduction in the power or wattage required for splitting hydrogen from water. This means virtually unlimited energy from water on demand. The commercial possibilities are obviously planetary, revolutionary, carbon neutral, renewable and profitable.

"This technology can be upsized or downsized as required to accommodate small, medium or large generator systems as well. Other engines for our consideration would be older diesel trucks that will have great difficulty in passing future emission regulations. In fact this market is huge."

More examples:
Produce clean gaseous fuels for gas welding equipment
Hydrogen for various applications including in ceramic fuel cells for converting it directly to electricity
Oxyhydrogen for industrial use
Hot water heater, stove, domestic furnace
Fuel enhancement to improve combustibility
Fuel vehicles, tractors, generators of all kinds, pumps, heavy machinery


A Resonant energy transfer.
Up to 1500 degrees Centigrade.

Ed.

Source:  http://breakthru-technologies.com/technologies/fractal-field-technologies

Its good to be excited about these claims but take them all with a grain of salt. The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy. Considering normal electrolysis is already quite efficient if done properly, when you take into consideration fancy power supplies, rf generators etc, these other methods, if they actually work, will use more power than a simple DC setup for electrolysis.

A homemade generator at 22 - 24 GHz is ready. What's next?

The original article mentions THz; the photo show 17-26GHz. Care to explain?

Quote from: memoryman on June 11, 2018, 11:58:02 AM
The original article mentions THz;

This is technically impossible. All equipment, waveguides, filters, etc., which we see on the video Zografos, no more than 20 -25 GHz.

For the THz range, it would be completely different equipment. It is hardly possible to buy it.

The spectrum analyzers on its video are no more than 1 - 1.5 GHz. Their description can be found on the Internet by reading the model from the video.

Flexible gold-plated waveguides no more than 10 - 12 GHz. This is determined by the size of the hole.

Cross section of standard waveguides:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(electromagnetism) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(electromagnetism))

Standard waveguide type WR3 is for frequencies not more as 220.00 - 330.00 GHz. There are no standard waveguides of higher frequencies.

The internal window size of such a waveguide is very small, 0.0340 × 0.0170 inches. Only a very small ant passes through this waveguide. I cannot see this small waveguide on Zografos video.

I am not disagreeing with you: just pointed out the discrepancy.

Quote from: pomodoro on August 07, 2017, 08:19:10 PM
Its good to be excited about these claims but take them all with a grain of salt. The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy. Considering normal electrolysis is already quite efficient if done properly, when you take into consideration fancy power supplies, rf generators etc, these other methods, if they actually work, will use more power than a simple DC setup for electrolysis.

What you say is true about normal electrolysis, but you can make it way over 100% efficient for hydrogen production. You are going to say how is that possible?


Well you don't need the oxygen, in fact the oxygen mixed with the hydrogen is in most cases a problem. So what do we do with the oxygen?


You use it to oxidise a metal (nickel oxide to nickel hydroxide oxide is excellent). Oxygen is a very electromotive atom, it is what creates the charge in rechargeable batteries.


This you use to create more hydrogen and the system was invented by me for cheap hydrogen production from water, given free for anyone to use. It has been published and replicated, it is called SMD hydrogen from water, it reduces power input by over 30%.


Regards


Mike 8)

Quote from: pomodoro on August 07, 2017, 08:19:10 PM
The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy.

Bob Boyce et alia put that argument to bed years ago. Do you still believe that nobody has exceeded Faraday's rule?

John Worrell Keely got results from 42.8khz, a figure used by Bob Boyce, along with one octave lower and another an octave lower than that, all at the same time. Clipped sharp pulses.

I do not understand how Zografos converts hydrogen into electricity. Membranes do not allow to be obtained a large current and voltage  by a simple method.
This patent can clarify this, with using Circuit 3, but probably it is not so easy as described:
https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2409704C1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2409704C1/en)

QuoteThe chemically pure water at a temperature of 25 ° C for about one to 5 × ¹⁰ September molecule dissociates according to the scheme ₂ O↔N H ⁺ + OH ^- [Physical Encyclopedia.   T.1, M .: «Soviet Encyclopedia", 1988, s.296].  When exposed to varying electric, magnetic and electromagnetic fields to water (aqueous electrolyte), the frequency and direction selectively effects affect the degree of water dissociation.   The mechanism of this influence is explained as follows.    Vibrations of molecules - one of the basic types of intramolecular motion, wherein there is a periodic change in the relative location of the nuclei of atoms constituting the molecule.   The water molecule has two valence vibrations and one strain [Physical Encyclopedia.   V.2, M .: "Soviet Encyclopedia", 1990, s.405].  In addition, the atoms in interaction with each other in a condensed medium to which the liquid and solid state, always acquire electric charge, becoming positively or negatively charged ions [Physical Encyclopedia.   Vol.1, M .: "Soviet Encyclopedia", 1988, s.694, 695].   Thus, atoms in a condensed medium can be regarded as mechanical mikroostsillyatory having a certain mass and electric charge.   When exposed to the condensed medium by an alternating electric, magnetic or electromagnetic field oscillating ions interact with these fields, forming a mechanical oscillating system.  If the natural frequency of the chemical element is a multiple of the frequency of the alternating field acting atom, resonance occurs at harmonics [Physical Encyclopedia.   Volume 4, M .: Scientific Publishers "Great Russian Encyclopedia", 1994, s.308, 309].  The kinetic energy of the resonating atoms increases, thereby increasing the probability of breaking of covalent bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, and the degree of dissociation of water increases.
   Experiments on the effects of alternating electric fields conducted in distilled water.  Of a plurality of natural frequencies of water molecules for resonance oscillations impact frequency used in relation to which the natural frequencies of oscillation of the hydrogen atoms relative to the oxygen atoms and oxygen atoms with respect to the hydrogen atoms are multiple.  By calculation using the method given in the article I.M.Kavitskogo et al. "Mechanism of impact modifiers when structure formation in ductile iron, spheroidal and compacted graphite" [Kavitsky IM, Rushanik BA   and Demidov AA  The mechanism of structure formation impact modifiers in ductile cast iron with nodular and compacted graphite // Ironshaper Russia, 2008. - №10 str.25-29] determined frequency, in relation to which the natural frequency of the hydrogen atoms relative to the oxygen atoms and oxygen atoms with respect to the hydrogen atoms It is a multiple of.   They are respectively hydrogen for 9,735 × 10 ¹¹ Hz and an oxygen 6,133 × 10 ¹⁰ Hz.   Capabilities allow the generator used to operate at a frequency of 0.1 MHz to 3.2 MHz.  From this condition for the experiments on the effects on the water chose two frequency groups: the first group with a deviation from the multiplicity calculation of the oscillation frequency to the actuating frequency of the first significant digit of hydrogen and oxygen to 5%, the second group with a deviation from the multiplicity of more than 5% (see. table).   The frequencies of the first group: 0.106 MHz, 0.315 MHz, 1.64 MHz, 2.5 MHz.   The electricity consumption for the preparation of 1 m ³ of hydrogen when exposed to these low frequencies.
   The frequencies of the second group: 0.5 MHz, 0.7 MHz, 1.3 MHz.   Exposure to these frequencies less effectively.

green matrix. generator 24 Ghz. how did you do it? the dragon hates me. Can not see there. :)
p.s. Oh, shit,I did not see above. Is that the one?

The generator works, but creates a lot of harmonics. Need another Gunn diode. Those that are - at higher frequencies. Perhaps this is the reason.
Diodes are ordered from the online store. Will be in a week.
Now I'm thinking about how to use this generator. He is very weak.
It is necessary to invent a microwave input into water without big losses.

yet they say the Gunn diode oscillator efficiency is small.

QuoteNow I'm thinking about how to use this generator. He is very weak.

place the diode crystal in water? why not, the voltage there is small.fill the resonator with water.
p.s. and if one of the resonators of the magnetron of the appropriate frequency is filled with water?  :)

https://vimeo.com/262540126 (https://vimeo.com/262540126)
denunciation of Kuznetsov overunity electrolyzers

Sergh thanks for the Russian patent link it was very helpful, there is more than way to split water below the 4.2 Kw m3 cu. RF is the way Zografos uses that way. I am suspecting that Ag ionic solution in water is added to water, as I am formulating the ppm of Ag in ppm is needed to make that effect . In the videos of P.Z. he drinks the water as it has to be safe for him to drink. As to metals P.Z. adds to the test tube is there for resonance as one needs a beat frequency as a base to create a oscillations to split water.  Not a standing wave but a "superposition" wave.. P.Z. spectrum display shows that the frequency is in the 250 to 350 GHZ. so it has to be a harmonic of the lower frequency which is indicated by the size of the wave guide .. as to prevent HHO from falling back to a lower energy level one has to maintain that oscillations as shown in the video where P.Z. shuts off the RF and the flame goes out.  I am certain that John Kanzius had the right method, however he was not at the right resonance , 13. Mhz is the industrial set aside frequency that is aviable to most sputtering systems and you may want to be else where say at 200. Mhz like the Coleman patent to generate alpha and beta...  I will post some clips like the method the Herman Anderson has dome spark oscillations.. See his clip as the end is priceless it's there PWM sparks from a motorized automotive distributor that can be controlled by varying speed of the frequency some what Bob Boyce did with the half wave failed six diode bank in his alternator.


Acca.  keep on as Zografos will save Greece from the robber banksters..

what is the actual effect of the pressure in the cell on the production of gas?
in the well-known Faraday formula, there is neither temperature nor pressure

Where is Sergh ? This is for him.

Quote from: memoryman on June 11, 2018, 11:58:02 AM
The original article mentions THz; the photo show 17-26GHz. Care to explain?

https://youtu.be/NFv3LYeaFSc?t=4088 (https://youtu.be/NFv3LYeaFSc?t=4088In)

In this video, at 1:06:00, we are seeing a Tektronix 494 spectrum analyzer. It can display a signal spectrum up to 325 GHz.             
But...(!) It can do this correctly only with additional external mixers WM490. The mixer consists of a waveguide and a special mixing diode installed in it, which receives the frequency from the heterodyne (local oscillator) in the spectrum analyzer. Without this external mixer, this spectrum analyzer can display signals up to 21 GHz.
https://nscainc.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/TEK_492BP.pdf (https://nscainc.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/TEK_492BP.pdf)

    Tektronix WM490 mixers set:

http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/WM490 (http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/WM490)
A coaxial cable to this mixer must be plugged into the connector at the bottom in the center. But in the Zogrfos video this connector is not connected to anything.

The connector on the bottom right is designed to measure without a external mixer up to 21 GHz.    In this coaxial connector is inserted a crocodile clip (?... :o ), to which a common wire is connected. :-\     This is not good, but with a high sensitivity of the spectrum analyzer it may be enough to estimate the presence of a microwave..

http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/auctions/main_lg.jpg (http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/auctions/main_lg.jpg)
What was the real frequency if the Tektronix 494 spectrum analyzer displays ~ 289 - 325 GHz on the screen without mixer? Who has such a device? Please сheck it.
I guess it shows a frequency of about 20 GHz.

Who has any idea what it is?
http://petrosz.blogspot.com/2017/02/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Ps1R03WqM

Translation of text in Greek, which is printed above the circuits:

Quoteit would be possible to project the non-element of the hydrogen element based on the lack of luster, which characterizes metals. However, we can call the hydrogen as an amorphous gas, as we could call gaseous metal KCO mercury and / or lead and zinc and any metal if and on Earth , what happens to the Sun and other sparkling stars, where the temperature is such that all the bodies are in a gaseous state.

This is about the fact that hydrogen, oddly enough, is a metal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen)

I do not know how this fact can help.

the clown knows.  :)

Well, as we know, each higher harmonic in power is weaker . If we assume that we pump something else with a low frequency. Gigahertz there will be a cat crying. :)
one more, in the pictures of any devices there, we see a very large difference in the absorption of matter at the resonant frequency, compared to other frequencies. In radio engineering, this corresponds to an oscillatory system with high Q-factor. Is not it? Is it possible to use water itself as a resonator, and not to generate microwave energy from the outside and launch (direct) it into water?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrs5_qOeOAQ

This work as transmitting antenna:

What is dimension your replication ?

The dimensions are approximately the same as in the video from Petros Zografos.
To determine the size I used as sample the white cable that is present in the video. Very roughly.
Transmission lines 16 millimeters, "wings" 22 millimeters by 6 millimeters. The base material is the microwave Teflon 2,5 mm thick. 
Due to the large thickness of dielectric base the line width is increased.I tried to install this antenna near the flange of the waveguide or near the detector diode. The amplitude of the received signal increases significantly.I was planning to solder a Gunn diode in the center hole, but it overheated during soldering.It is a pity that a diode of this size was only one at these frequencies.  I have such diodes for higher frequencies. I will try later with it, it will be soldered with the Rose alloy.
I found interesting Greek article about experiments with underwater communication in the microwave range, from a city called Zografos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zografou)  :o :
Thomas Κ. Mpountas, DimitraI. Kaklamani
National Technical University of Athens
School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
9 IroonPolytechniouStr., 15780 Zografos, Athens, Greece

https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf
(https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf)

My guess is that at the same time is need a microwave and a low-frequency magnetic field and special conditions, the composition of the liquid. Magnetic and microwave fields are required in the same way as in the NMR tomograph. NMR tomograph has not only a superconducting magnet, but also gradient coils, creating a gradient magnetic field, that forms a 3D image. In addition, a high-frequency field is needed at the resonant frequency of the substance, which absorbs the RF signal only on a narrow gradient of a certain magnetization.

Here I am about the same. Why everyone wants to introduce microwave energy from the air. waveguide or coaxial. Inside the water, without leaving the water, what prevents to do this?

I tried. Don't work. The generator does not start, or works very poorly. Water absorbs energy and the generator does not produce power. Probably needed other  antennas and generators to create HF vibrations directly in the water. But all components are designed to work with RF transmission in air.


See graphic curves in a Greek article about underwater WiFi communication:

https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf (https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf)
At frequencies of 20 - 24 GHz, everything is absolutely bad.
Microwave hardly penetrates into highly purified deionized water. Must hope only on the surface of the water. By the way, Petros seems so. In the video with a Bow-Tie antenna.

QuoteI tried. Don't work. The generator does not start, or works very poorly.

something I do not understand, in this case, what could be wifi under water.?

p.s. https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/169242/ (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/169242/)
Has anyone looked at this?

I read this...
Site 15:0,000000000000001 Watt pro square centimeter, very small

And if you transfer the resonators of the magnetron from the vacuum zone and fill them with water. At least some of them ...
At least the cooling will be perfect.

Why do you suppose that at resonance the output energy will be increased? This is not a laser or a maser. Irradiated with a frequency of ~62 GHz, receive 1 GHz with a noise level.

 Not really. I mean that the microwave energy is inside the resonator, and the coupling loop, waveguides, etc., is an extra loss, an unnecessary part ... :)

http://globalwave.tv/kushelev/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=49&sid=fbc2da923ef325a6782e6431e7e894ce&start=990 (http://globalwave.tv/kushelev/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=49&sid=fbc2da923ef325a6782e6431e7e894ce&start=990)
New video from Kushelev about dangerous experiment with ruby and sapphire spheres and powerfull military magnetron to get an infinite source of light and energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=051q3UhLPjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=051q3UhLPjg)
;D

funny video. With Kushelev everything is clear, but the guy correctly says that 34GHz is not dangerous?
And the guy's collection is serious,indeed.  8)  Wesley is resting with his stuff. :)

It is assumed that only the heating effect is harmful from the microwave. A pulsed magnetron has a high pulse power. These are tens and hundreds of kilowatts. But the pulse duration is very small. The pause between pulses is very large. Therefore, the heating is relatively small.

This video shows how weak the heat from a pulsed  radar microwave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czRE9rdHMA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czRE9rdHMA)
The question remains: what effects can be other than heating?
This is a really hard question. On the Internet, there is little to find. Real scientists deny any non-thermal effects.

The main thing is not to turn to the side of unverified rumors and nonsense about something "Mumbo-Jumbo" from the microwave.

This is an interesting book about the creation of generators of wery high power electromagnetic pulses, which can really be used as a weapon. The author gives illustrations of various designs of this generators. Free only in Russian.
https://issuu.com/premiaprosvetitel/docs/prishepenko_a._shipenie_snaryadov.a (https://issuu.com/premiaprosvetitel/docs/prishepenko_a._shipenie_snaryadov.a)

Yes, a fun book. sorry download fails. Here's another, it has the construction of generators. only i don't have it.
https://www.litres.ru/r-e-tigranyan/voprosy-elektromagnitobiologii-18795030 (https://www.litres.ru/r-e-tigranyan/voprosy-elektromagnitobiologii-18795030) :)

 :o Look what I found! Very strange patent:

INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE
GE P 20074088 (B) ― 2007-04-10
Inventor(s):     KAPANADZE SHOTA [GE]; APTSIAURI VANO [GE]; KHACHIDZE EMZAR [GE]; KANDINASHVILI NIKOLOZ [GE]

Quote1. Technical Result Reduction of economic expenses, increase of efficiency and reliability of work. 2. Essence The engine contains the cylinder 14, the piston 1, a water tank 4, a cranked shaft 8 which is placed above the chamber of combustion 13, and in the bottom part of the cylinder, up to a level of a plug 5 the condenser 2 connected with the generator of 10 of high frequencies is inserted into poured water 7. 3. Field of Application Mechanical engineering, in particular, propulsion engineering.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=16&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070410&CC=GE&NR=P20074088B&KC=B# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=16&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070410&CC=GE&NR=P20074088B&KC=B#)

It's all. There was nothing else.
Patent on this engine?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG35cpshUeA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG35cpshUeA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GPy8FuJSkc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GPy8FuJSkc)

 ;D  ;D  ;D I found an unknown patent for a motor on the water!  ;D  ;D  ;D


Kapanadze internal combustion engine on water.

The link to official source:
http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/ (http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/)

Now it looks like this:

Patent translate with Google, from Georgian to English, written weird..:

QuoteReduction of economic expenditures, increase of the coefficient of activity and work reliability.
The essence
The engine consists of a cylinder 14, a piston 1, a water tank 4, a knife lamp 8, which is placed on top of the combustion 13 and in the lower part of the cylinder, there are 7 encapsulated condensers 2 connected to a high frequency generator 10.

Description of the patent

The invention belongs to the internal combustion engines, and can be used in various internal combustion engines, namely, in mobile engines mechanisms, for example, in the production of a car.
   It is known for many internal combustion engines, in which the liquid and gas power carriers are used as different agents.
   It is also known that the internal combustion engine on the gas pump, where hydrogen gas is in high pressure separately in a special airbag and from there it is connected to the carburetor of the intracellular engine.
    The technical outcome of the invention is safety, safety of the internal engine and reduction of the energy cost.
    Technical results are achieved by the fact that the internal engine is performed on the top of the cylinder, and in the cylinder combustion chamber, plate or cylindrical capacitor is placed in the water placed under the candle.
    The hydrogen inner engine is represented by 1 figure and contains: Cylinder 14, piston 1, condenser 2, water retractor 3, water tank 4, sparkle lamp 5, residual gas output 6, candle 5 to water volume 7, 8 knees, knee lights 9 and high frequency generator 10.
    Hydrogen inner engine works as follows: High Frequency Generator 10 delivers approximately 50 MHz frequency density 2 plates of condenser, which are used for dilution as distilled water.
High frequency plates on the condenser leads to the impulsive breakdown of the water dielectric, causing the breakdown of water impulsively. Hydrogen 11 is excreted, after which the blast is carried out by the candle 5 at the moment when the piston is in the lower margin level. As a result of the explosion hydrogen will turn into a high pressure water steam 12 and the piston 1 is moved to the top position, the excess water vapor is removed from the bulb in the muffin (not shown on the moped figure). The number of hydrogen from water is regulated by high frequency regulator 10.
Thus, in the cylinder combustion chamber 13, under the candle (regulation of water level in the cylinder is not shown due to its simplicity and the overloading of the drawing), plate or cylindrical capacitor in the water in the water, eliminates the availability of airbags and pipes, hydrogen formation and explosion occurs directly in the combustion chamber.
                         The invention
      The internal combustion engine containing a cylinder, a combustion chamber, a candle, a piston, a knee lamp, a high frequency generator, a water tank, is different from that of a knife lined above the combustion chamber and in the lower part of the cylinder, placed in the bottom of a candle, placed in a plate or cylindrical capacitor , Which is associated with high frequency generator.

"approximately 50 MHz frequency density 2 plates of condenser, which are used for dilution as distilled water. High frequency plates on the condenser leads to the impulsive breakdown of the water dielectric, causing the breakdown of water impulsively. Hydrogen 11 is excreted"


I understand that the author describes some real process. But I can't imagine it now. If you just put 50 MHz into the water - I'm sure that nothing will happen.

Electrolysis by alternating current of high frequency? In distilled water? Explosive hydrogen release?
Impossible!
Something other. Not electrolysis. I do not know how yet.

May need more power 50 MHz? Or a special design and material plates "capacitor"?

QuoteI understand that the author describes some real process. But I can't imagine it now.

I don't understand it as well.
There is a man who understands. But silent. Wesley
They drank alcohol with him. In Georgia. :)
In general, everyone is silent ... :'(

 ;D ah-ah, drank alcohol... ;D in Georgia ... You were in Georgia? For people from the USA:  Georgia, the homeland of Kapanadze, is the exUSSR country in the Caucasus. "Drank alcohol" -  drink homemade grape wine in Georgia the same as drinking tea or coffee. This means nothing. Do not look at Wesley as an enemy who hides a secret. Do yourself what you can.
What you can:
In this patent that I found, there is a link to the patent:
RU2243390 Stashevsky I.I. ( RU2243390 Сташевский И.И )
I read it. Look in the internet about the "Motor Stashevsky" etc...

on his channel in YouTube  Stivep1  there were these videos. Now I don't know.

I really don't like such messages. >:(  If he had something to tell, he would have told us that.

beyond all doubt.  :)

QuoteElectrolysis of water can pass to the second mode.  The second mode is the same as the first mode, differs in that the electrodes are connected to an electric generator 88 through the dynamo-electric transducer 89, the electrical pulse generator 90, and electrical switches 91 and 93. In this case, an alternating current is converted into direct current.  Electric pulses generator 90 generates electrical pulses on electrodes 64 or 71 and 72, 74, 76, 77, 79, 80, 82, 83, 86, 87 at the rated voltage of the electric current.     Electrolysis of water can take place in the third mode.  The third mode is the same as the first, differs from it in that the electrodes are connected to the generator 88 through a source of AC dynamoelectric generator 89, and electrical switches 91 and 94. In this case, an alternating electric current is converted into direct current, low voltage current is converted to high current voltage in the tens of thousands of volts.
   Electrolysis of water can be operated in the fourth mode.  The fourth mode is the same as the third mode is different from them in that the electrodes 64 or 71, 72, 74, 76, 77, 80, 82, 83, 86, 87 are connected to an AC generator 88 through the dynamo-electric transducer 89, a generator 90 electric pulses and electric switches 91 and 95. When this electric current is converted into direct current, low voltage current into high voltage current in tens of thousands of volts and high-voltage electrical discharges are created by pulses.
  Using the electrical switches 91, 92, 93, 94, 95 or 64 in the electrodes 71, 72, 74, 76, 77, 79, 80, 82, 83, 86, 87 can change the direction of electric current.  When the cathode becomes the anode, the anode becomes the cathode, it allows to automate the electrodes of plaque purification alkali.   electrolysis of water can be carried out at any time.  The battery 63 between the perforated plate electrodes 64 in the electrolyte electrolysis occurs with or without the use of ultrasonic or infrasonic waves passing in the electrolyte layer from the bottom up.

https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2243390C1/en?oq=RU+2243390+C1

Quoteit allows to automate the electrodes of plaque purification alkali.

where does he have lye(alkali) there? At first it was about clean water.

read, read the Stashevsky patent. Read, read, first in English, then in Russian. What is it? about what? There is a user on the skiff "Ужос мля нах"  :) . The impression of reading about something like that. maybe I don't understand something ... ;)

Maybe near to this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39381 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39381)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20140501&CC=WO&NR=2014064692A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20140501&CC=WO&NR=2014064692A1&KC=A1#)

Yes, it's better here.
The fact that the bubbles are small and self-ignite is understandable.
And the current output is more than Faraday?

It's too early to think about efficiency. If it is possible to get a little gas on alternating current - this will be a way forward. Usually, only heating occurs on alternating current.

QuoteUsually, only heating occurs on alternating current.

Эт точно. :)

Strange videos. Maybe the magnet is oxidized. But why does it oxidize much faster when something is fed through the wires?
I cannot imagine that no high-frequency current is supplied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgQwr_nUG08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgQwr_nUG08)

Only if glass is conductive...?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fauto-minsk.maxbb.ru%2Ftopic455.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fauto-minsk.maxbb.ru%2Ftopic455.html)
http://auto-minsk.maxbb.ru/topic455.html (http://auto-minsk.maxbb.ru/topic455.html)
Probably on first video with magnet used conductive glass, as he used for the electrolyzer. Otherwise, at an alternating current, the bubbles did not twist around the magnet.
But why then does the glass not work as a cathode or anode? In this case, on the glass itself should stand out bubbles. Unclear.

very strange.  :)  We will try it today.  ;)  Just put the wire from the Kacher in a small container with water, nothing happened.
the container was also placed at the top of the coil.
And if it is not a magnet for a piece of radioactive material.  :o What intensity should be radiation so that gas is released?

There is no gas there. Not with a magnet, not without a magnet. They all lie. :'(

This is not lie. Glass is conductive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgOWj5p8WzQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgOWj5p8WzQ)

Tried yesterday.  :) Hot wire Kacher was lowered into a cup with water on the ground. Glass and plastic. The frequency was about 1 MHz. Then the magnet was wrapped with a wire. There was no bubble. The power was because in half a minute the bottom of the plastic cup had burnt out and the water flowed out.

You do not have nano-perforated glass. He has such a glass. And he has a direct current. The current goes through the metal of the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w)
"Why magnets?" - uses as nickel-plated electrodes.

Quoteglass electrolyzer separator.
The gas generator separates the hydrogen from the oxygen with very high purity.
The separation of gases occurs physically, using glass perforated membranes, own production. Membrane capable pass an electric current, but they do not pass gases or liquids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SosvUEmbbgU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SosvUEmbbgU)
Besides that, on this video the pure hydrogen burns like on video from Petros Zographos, with reddish flame. Probably due to particles from electrolyte. Not HHO! Hydrogen without oxygen!

Electrolysis chemical separation of hydrogen and oxygen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIeAgC9rEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIeAgC9rEE)

and how do they make nanoperforated glass?

we read "шипение снарядов" , but only about explosive magnetic generators and so on, of a one-time action.
Doesn't that suit us? is not it.
p.s. What is a ion exchange membrane(ионообменная мембрана) in lithium-ion factory batteries?

Quote from: kolbacict on May 12, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
read, read the Stashevsky patent. Read, read, first in English, then in Russian. What is it? about what? There is a user on the skiff "Ужос мля нах"  :) . The impression of reading about something like that. maybe I don't understand something ... ;)

I guessed why the Georgian patent for a motor with high-frequency electrolysis inside cylinders refers to the Stashevsky patent.
Patent Stashevsky on electrolysis with a change in the polarity of the electrodes and strong acoustic vibrations in water.

In the cylinders of the internal combustion engine during its working there will also be strong vibrations!

https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533697/#msg533697

(https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533697/#msg533697)and

https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533818/#msg533818 (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533818/#msg533818)

Yes, I would like to believe that it works.

explain to me from which sources the energy of compressed gas in electrolyzers is taken under pressure. The efficiency of a good electrolyzer is close to one hundred percent. And under pressure, it even rises, as we know. And the energy enclosed in Brown's compressed gas is taken as if from nowhere.

Quote from: kolbacict on June 01, 2019, 04:54:06 AM
explain to me from which sources the energy of compressed gas in electrolyzers is taken under pressure. The efficiency of a good electrolyzer is close to one hundred percent. And under pressure, it even rises, as we know. And the energy enclosed in Brown's compressed gas is taken as if from nowhere.

kolbacict, " is close to one hundred percent. ...". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
Could you give us a reference  to your "good electrolyzer"- producer  ?
Or are for you 80-90% ~ close to 100%. ?

Quote from: kolbacict on June 01, 2019, 04:54:06 AM
explain to me from which sources the energy of compressed gas in electrolyzers is taken under pressure. The efficiency of a good electrolyzer is close to one hundred percent. And under pressure, it even rises, as we know. And the energy enclosed in Brown's compressed gas is taken as if from nowhere.

"If the pressure over the electrolysis is increased then more current passes for the same applied voltage. However, the output of gas per coulomb and the heating effect are both decreased. This is due to the increased solubility of the gases and smaller bubbles  both reducing the cell resistance and increasing recombination reactions" http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/electrolysis.html 
The source of energy is the power supply.

QuoteHigh-pressure electrolysis is the electrolysis of water with a compressed hydrogen output around 12–20 MPa (120–200 Bar, 1740–2900 psi).[12] By pressurising the hydrogen in the electrolyser, the need for an external hydrogen compressor is eliminated; the average energy consumption for internal compression is around 3%.

Well, I'm wrong. Let 80-90%
But it was meant that the overvoltage (electrode potential) with increasing pressure to 10-20 bar
decreases. Electricity consumption decreases accordingly. According to my information.
And your wiki says:

Quotethe average energy consumption for internal compression is around 3%

I do not understand. Could it be at 200 bar when there is already an increase in consumption?

QuoteHowever, the output of gas per coulomb and the heating effect are both decreased.

Well, maybe you are right. According to my information, with a moderate increase in pressure, consumption in kW / h at least does not increase.
interesting information. thanks.

Who can provide a link to the detailed description of the Fleischmann – Pons experiment?
Interested in information for the period 1989 - 1992?
What is with ultrasonic in this experiment?
It is similar?:
http://fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/150/Piezonuclear%20Fusion%20in%20Isotopic%20Hydrogeb%20Molecules.pdf (http://fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/150/Piezonuclear%20Fusion%20in%20Isotopic%20Hydrogeb%20Molecules.pdf)

Quote from: Sergh on April 24, 2019, 06:29:15 AM
;D ;D ;D I found an unknown patent for a motor on the water!  ;D ;D ;D


Kapanadze internal combustion engine on water.

The link to official source:
http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/ (http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/)

Has anyone tried searching on this Georgian website? By other search criteria?
Hmm ... there is still something, close to the Kapanadze motor.  ::)
http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8949/1/ (http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8949/1/)
In the patent describes the process parameters: - the interaction time and pressure.
These parameters are the same as those of a gasoline internal combustion engine!
The basis of the patent is the use of a catalyst - calcium hydroxide for thermal decomposition of water.
This is slaked lime. It may be some kind of especially refined or prepared.
The principle is described logically and probably it can work!Based on the patent, electricity is not needed for the decomposition of water .. :o

Georgian patent refers to a Soviet patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en)

A very rare Soviet journal  is mentioned in the Georgian patent. "Foreign Nuclear Technology" No12, 1976, p. 13-3
I did not find a way to download this journal. According to other articles, it says something about the thermal decomposition of water at nuclear power plants in France (?) at a relatively low temperature.."[/font]Атомная [/font]техника [/font]за рубежом[/font]" [/font]No[/font]12, 1976, [/font]стр. 13-3[/font]

QuoteThe basis of the patent is the use of a catalyst - calcium hydroxide for thermal decomposition of water.

How could such a reaction look like?
Can your thoughts ...
Nothing comes to mind.

This is something completely new.  Maybe this is not a chemical reaction, but something else.
Calcium hydroxide does not decompose, only water evaporates from it.
Slaked lime is probably wetted first with water. Physical effect ..?

In the simplest version, from Soviet patent 1984 - SU 807584 A1

1. We take any slaked lime.
2. We warm up at a temperature of 400-500 degrees of Celsius, but  not higher than the HHO ignition temperature (~550C).
3. We collect the all released gases, pass through a cooler
4. Water vapor condenses, remain a very small amount of H₂   ( 0,00057 from vapor volume)
I did not find anything in the literature about this.
According to the method described in the Georgian patent, they get 14 times more, i.e. 0,0082, ~ 1%  from water vapor volume.
Not much, but if you repeat this 50 times per second inside the internal combustion engine or pump, you get 50% ... ???
It is unclear whether this quantity of H₂ or HHO will be sufficient for rotation of the internal combustion engine or such a turbine:..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGizUoKrfGo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGizUoKrfGo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=836nd6ZijYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=836nd6ZijYY)

Translation of the patents:

1. Soviet patent 1979 - 1984  SU 807584 A

2. Georgian patent for an improved method, 2007   GE P 2007 4038 B

well, the temperature of the reaction (dissociation) decreases, the yield of hydrogen increases. But the energy balance remains the same. How many calories of heat were spent on dissociation, the same amount we get during combustion HHO.  Or am I wrong?

Quote from: kolbacict on September 02, 2019, 03:22:12 PM
But the energy balance remains the same. How many calories of heat were spent on dissociation, the same amount we get during combustion HHO.  Or am I wrong?

From SU807584 patent, about ordinary thermal dissociation of water:

QuoteThe disadvantage of this method is the need for overheating of water vapor to 1000- 3000K and a low molar concentration of hydrogen in hot steam. At 1000 degrees Kelvin, the molar  concentration of hydrogen is 2.09*10^-6, which leads to insurmountable difficulties in the extraction of hydrogen.

In this case, the energy balance is maintained. If thermal dissociation of water occurred at a temperature of 400 - 500 degrees Celsius and a much larger hydrogen output, the energy balance will not be maintained.
It is still unclear why thermal dissociation can occur at low temperatures and better than at high temperatures.

QuoteIf thermal dissociation of water occurred at a temperature of 400 - 500 degrees Celsius and a much larger hydrogen output, the energy balance will not be maintained.

I tried to say it on the forum "xumuk.ru " , but I did not convince them.

it may be relevant to this topic:
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg545102/#msg545102

meta(L?) colloide, nanotechnology is difficult, or? home production of platinum catalyst

platinum foil, acid, and probably cat litter (maybe I'm not quite right)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjB9JnFRkG4
good German to learn

application - HHO heating without burning, at best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN8wCRloJ2c
 

If we have water in a container made of barium titanate with one outer lining? :)

There are probably no specific frequencies. It's not about frequency.

New video of Petros Zografos, recently found on the Internet. 10/19/2020
Must watch this video in full. There is something interesting in the middle of the video.
In small jars, it presents substances, components of "metal" and (or) colloids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2JHXIfn0Qc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2JHXIfn0Qc)

Nanotechnology.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology

I asked a question on "xumuk.ru" what the German wanted to say in his video.
There was no answer. Probably no one knows German. :D

I wanted to measure the real capacity of the water cell. It was not possible to balance the Wheatstone bridge with only one capacitor. I had to add a resistor.

Where did the patents and information on thin layer degradation go?

The second plate in the cell is made of barium titanate? The dielectric constant is orders of magnitude higher than that of water. For alternating current not an obstacle.

You are talking about the need for thin layers, films.
But there is a double electrical layer near the electrode.
Isn't the entire electric field concentrated there?

About 2 years ago I studied the Zographos videos and in one video he had a spectrum analyzer the display had shown the the upper end of a 300 Ghz. which was quite a shock to me as I worked on radars on slightly lower frequencies.. In the glass test test tube he had placed a small metal plate. Some of the invited scientist passed around the small metal square plate, they where quite surprised, as the device would not work with out the metal square plate in the test tube.. and some years earlier another RF guy John Kanzius used an RF exciter 13.75 Mhz to split water in between two antennas again in a test tube with a tissue immersed wick and the gas would light the wick with a yellow flame as Zographos did it on Greek TV for hours at a time.  The point is that RF in it's self break's up water bonds, the question is what frequency is the best and what modulation is needed to do that.. Now I have split water with RF at 750 KHhz as using a Russian Tesla coil (katcher) a single transistor RF oscillator with some 10 watts of power and was surprised that it worked as it involved high frequency diodes and a test tube. I will post a video later of that..In closing I am surprised that Zographos is still around with incredible knowledge that he has amassed in his RF field in Cell phones.. SO I have posted here on another thread today about this New Zealand company they also have a cheap way of splitting water and it is 20 times less than the conventional electrolysis RF may be a contender as well as graphene.. This none of these tech(s) will NOT see the light of the day, unless it is opened sourced to the people..

Acca..

Hello
Sascha Schmitz produces platinum-plated sand. He wants to build a sand heater with it. See in the 2nd video. The HHo gas ignites when blown into this sand.
Greeting
Lota

Why actually kacher?  It gives out high voltage. And water is a conductor. They don't like each other.
How to put high voltage into water?
Probably platinum catalyzes the reaction HHO. similar to the oxidation of ammonia to nitrogen dioxide on a platinum wire.

QuoteThe point is that RF in it's self break's up water bonds, the question is what frequency is the best and what modulation is needed to do that..

Why can't I get anything
for several years ?!

I have two simple questions. How can this work? I mean Marx's water generator.
And how to measure the capacitance of a water capacitor?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor)

Quote from: Acca on March 17, 2021, 09:08:51 PM
About 2 years ago I studied the Zographos videos and in one video he had a spectrum analyzer the display had shown the the upper end of a 300 Ghz. which was quite a shock to me as I worked on radars on slightly lower frequencies.. In the glass test test tube he had placed a small metal plate. Some of the invited scientist passed around the small metal square plate, they where quite surprised, as the device would not work with out the metal square plate in the test tube.. and some years earlier another RF guy John Kanzius used an RF exciter 13.75 Mhz to split water in between two antennas again in a test tube with a tissue immersed wick and the gas would light the wick with a yellow flame as Zographos did it on Greek TV for hours at a time.  The point is that RF in it's self break's up water bonds, the question is what frequency is the best and what modulation is needed to do that.. Now I have split water with RF at 750 KHhz as using a Russian Tesla coil (katcher) a single transistor RF oscillator with some 10 watts of power and was surprised that it worked as it involved high frequency diodes and a test tube. I will post a video later of that..In closing I am surprised that Zographos is still around with incredible knowledge that he has amassed in his RF field in Cell phones.. SO I have posted here on another thread today about this New Zealand company they also have a cheap way of splitting water and it is 20 times less than the conventional electrolysis RF may be a contender as well as graphene.. This none of these tech(s) will NOT see the light of the day, unless it is opened sourced to the people..

Acca..

I spoke a few years ago to the man from Greece , I did ask him to drive his motorcycle ( Hho powered)  to one of his country's 140 emissions inspections place for a print out


He told me speak to his lawyer
—-///—-
As you write above
These hydrogen economy techs need open source (IMO way overdue !!


I have learned a lot from your recent contributions ..


Could use more help to spread the word!!


And what is truly possible






Thank you
Chet K

Quote from: kolbacict on March 24, 2021, 01:11:12 AM

And how to measure the capacitance of a water capacitor?

Hello buddy.
You can not measure the capacitance of the hho cell aka water capacitor.
water is alive and it is always changing...or as some may say...the water builds up a charge...and changes to a molecular level.

There are some videos on youtube on how to measure it...but nothing very precise....or that everybody can duplicate.

I wish you good luck.

I do not know what to say...
AFC of a cell with water.
maximum, about 10.5 MHz.

I see long wires in the photo, ooh..
If you remove the water, there will be no straight line on the device. Without water, a straight line must be obtained. It is necessary to equalize the impedances. In the water itself, it is also necessary to calculate the electrodes so that the impedance is 50 ohms. It is very difficult. Even if you connect the output of the device to the input, the line on the screen will not be completely straight due to inhomogeneities in the cable and connectors.
Simplified version: shorten the wires from 50-ohm cables to a minimum, down to one millimeter. Decrease the cell length to such a scale. To minimize the overall capacity and inductance of the elements external to the 50-ohm RF cable.

This will allow obtaining relatively correct measurements in the frequency range up to 50 - 100 MHz.

http://www.hp.woodshot.com/ (http://www.hp.woodshot.com/)
free RF design software
AppCAD Version 4.0.0

An equivalent was made with a resistance equal to the ohmic resistance cell with water.
And plus in parallel a variable capacitor. The frequency response is completely different.

QuoteDecrease the cell length to such a scale. To minimize the overall capacity

I'll work on it.

for test purpose take a standard 50 ohm cable with connectors and simply connect the output of this frequency response meter to its input.

Quotefor test purpose take a standard 50 ohm cable with connectors and simply connect the output of this frequency response meter to its input.

There will be a straight line. :) A straight line will be the same when the cell is short-circuited.
And yet it's all bullshit. Maybe you're right.  Because I took another transformer with a volumetric short-circuited turn. It turns out a completely different picture. It turns out a completely different picture. How, then, do you measure this damn capacity? >:(
On alternating current. On a constant current, according to the charge time, this is obviously impossible to do.

http://www.hp.woodshot.com/ (http://www.hp.woodshot.com/)
thank you. did not pay attention immediately. it is not clear only why the dielectric constant of seawater is 20 and not 80. and why sea water? we have distilled.

Household distilled water is most likely to be "natural".

For a dielectric constant of 80, you need highly purified deionized water, and something else about conditions, temperature, etc. I suppose that is not achievable.

Quote from: kolbacict on March 26, 2021, 08:00:05 AM
then, do you measure this capacity? >:(

Take very clean distilled water for the cell. Connect a large electrolytic capacitor 4700 uF in series with the cell. Measure the capacitance of this circuit with a conventional multimeter with a capacitance measurement function. So?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits

I understood.  :)
What about Marx's water generator?
Nobody has yet explained on different forums how this can work ?!
Are spark gaps in the water ?!  In any case, ones do not operate at that speed.
With such a frequency. the water condenser will self-discharge faster. IMHO.

I do not find anything unusual here. Capacitors are charged in parallel through resistors, then spark gaps break through, and capacitors are connected in series. The voltages from all capacitors are summed up. Physics at school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeUn3I0CZE4

QuotePhysics at school.

Spark gaps are slow. a capacitor with a water dielectric self-discharges in microseconds.
Что непонятно,то ?

p.s.

QuoteConnect a large electrolytic capacitor 4700 uF in series with the cell. Measure the capacitance of this circuit with a conventional multimeter with a capacitance measurement function.

I made it even more interesting. One plate was removed before the dielectric. The rest is insulated from water, and is additionally filled with varnish.

Watch the video carefully:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeUn3I0CZE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeUn3I0CZE4)

Water is used as a conductor. The walls of plastic or glass jars are dielectric. Ordinary "Medieval capacitor".

I meant such as in this picture.

I made it even more interesting. One plate was removed before the dielectric. The rest is insulated from water, and is additionally filled with varnish. Two such semi-condensers were lowered into the water at some distance. AC voltage was applied to the terminals. Two nickel grids were placed between them. A diode was connected between them. The gases started to go. HHO.
There was a real electrolysis!

I'm not getting anything. >:(

Damn it, has anyone observed any resonance phenomena in a water condenser?
Or so that it exhibits the properties of an ordinary capacitor? At least up to 30 MHz.
RF power absorption only. Works like a normal active resistance.
I'm not even talking about getting  OU HHO right now. :)
Just i wanted to see some kind of electrical resonance.

Try Dr. Stiffler SEC Exciter Hydrogen production via diode, link provided a snap photo at 750Khz rf .. I have done this duplication and it works. will have to find video clips, I am suspecting that this is the basis for Zorgaphos and John Kanzius which worked at 15.75 Mhz...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xjF9cHDNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xjF9cHDNc)
Rf may be the best way to split water... frequency and voltage bias through plates as seen in the Zographos videos..

Acca..
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Hello Acca,
related John Kanzius (R.I.P.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius)


Later in 2007, Kanzius demonstrated that the same 13.56 MHz radio frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency) could be used to dissociate hydrogen and oxygen from a salt water solution, which could then be "burned."[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius#cite_note-wkyc-09-12-web-16) Rustum Roy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rustum_Roy), a materials scientist at Pennsylvania State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_State_University), clarified that the dissociated hydrogen was burning, not the water itself: "The salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen.".[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius#cite_note-post-gazette-sep-9-18)
Kanzius' demonstration received coverage from local TV stations.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius#cite_note-wkyc-sep-12-video-19)


https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090294300A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090294300A1/en)              2006-11-13  Priority to US86553006P

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RF base : https://patents.google.com/patent/US5323329A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US5323329A/en)

Dr. Stiffler SEC https://peswiki.com/directory:dr-stifflers-spatial-energy-coherence-sec-exciter-hydrogen-production-via-diodes (https://peswiki.com/directory:dr-stifflers-spatial-energy-coherence-sec-exciter-hydrogen-production-via-diodes) 2010


the circuit is from 2007 : https://overunity.com/3457/selfrunning-cold-electricity-circuit-from-dr-stiffler/ (https://overunity.com/3457/selfrunning-cold-electricity-circuit-from-dr-stiffler/)




http://www.rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html

https://www.ijee.ieefoundation.org/vol3/issue1/IJEE_13_v3n1.pdf


The pulsed power and conventional power inputs were analyzed in the Figure 6. The results show that the pulsed DC electrolysis is more effective and power savings.


In maximum hydrogen output, power required in pulsed power is 0.57 Watts.


Whereas the conventional DC power required is 18 Watts.


The waveforms of the input power of the electrolytic cell are obtained by the high speed oscilloscope and found that it is the pulsating pulse of 200 nano second with frequency 100 MHz which is depicted in Figure 7.

http://www.rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html (http://www.rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html)

2016 :

By using a single generator with a degree of efficiency of 30% with this production we can now produce 1680 kWh of electricity at a cost of metal of around 50 euros that is equal to 50/1680 = 0,03 € / kWh compared to 0,19 € / kWh  currently charged by Hellenic Public Power Company ( PPC)!




https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/ (https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/)


Antenna is jointed with radiators, heated by heat carrier or by any combustible or by solar beams concentrator. The said radiator emits a band of EM waves of about 100 THz interfered each with the others forming envelope band, can be filtered by the said antenna resonators of much less frequencies into electricity with high energy efficiency that can reach near 100% especially after recuperation of exhaust heat.

If using Plank's Law on-line calculator for blackbody, the Radiant emittance is W = 50.8 kW/m2, and if Band Radiance chosen to be 10 THz around maximum, at 700 Celsius the said efficiency is 92%. and 109 kW/m2, 76% at 900 C. CAPEX is an order of magnitude cheaper than secondary battery






The Zografos system electricity KWh-price is also thermal generator efficiency dependent !


But for a total KWh electricity generation costs there is more than only "cost of metal" and thermal generator to calculate !


All inclusive and by serial industrial production (with all protection) we have to assume in minimum 0,03 Euro/KWh ,by 60% and more thermal generator efficiency !


no profit condition : production costs per unit x 2 = endseller/-consumer price

H2power,
And if I also get hydrogen higher than Faraday from water , what will I get for it? :)

related #110 :

https://www.ijee.ieefoundation.org/vol3/issue1/IJEE_13_v3n1.pdf


The input power required for the production of 0.58 mL/Sec with conventional DC source is 18 watts. But the application of nano pulsed power supply power required is only 0.58 Watts.

0,58 mL/Sec x 3600 = 2,088 Litre hydrogen per hour



https://www.idealhy.eu/index.php?page=lh2_outline (https://www.idealhy.eu/index.php?page=lh2_outline)
Under ambient conditions, a cubic metre of hydrogen provides some 3 kWh, equivalent to 0.003 kWh per litre.




0.003 KWh per litre = 0,006264 KWh for 2,088 Litre hydrogen


0,006264 KWh =


       6,2464 Wh by       a. conventional electrolysis  :18,00 Wh UNDER-UNITY PROCESS    6,2464/18
                                  b. nano-pulse electrolysis    :  0,57 Wh OVER-UNITY PROCESS      6,2464/0,57

Lanca thanks for the great posts I am still following them ...

Will comment later..

Enclosed is a photo my HV power supply primary 12 Vdc input 1 amp,  out put 3200v Ac at 4500 Khz about 120 watts output. 

This will be a pulsing RF voltage around the 64 plate dry cell..  I am also using "DEF" fluid in the cell as it is 30 % urea

and pure water..   Voltage split for DEF is .37 volts and has 4 hydrogen atoms.. So the Walmart sells DEF for $2.80 a gallon..



(DEF is diesel emission fluid)..   




Acca

2 points more :


1. related Zografos his concept : similar non-electric hydrolysis f.e. by aluminium/iron


Linnard GRIFFIN Hydrogen Generator


https://www.google.com/search?q=linnard+griffin+hydrogen&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&ei=Ish2YIvhMY2sa9GwoLAI&oq=linnard+griffin+hydrogen&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsAM6CAgAEA0QBRAeUM4mWLQ1YIxGaAFwAngAgAF0iAHjBpIBAzYuM5gBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiL-tS6x_3vAhUN1hoKHVEYCIYQ4dUDCA4 (https://www.google.com/search?q=linnard+griffin+hydrogen&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&ei=Ish2YIvhMY2sa9GwoLAI&oq=linnard+griffin+hydrogen&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsAM6CAgAEA0QBRAeUM4mWLQ1YIxGaAFwAngAgAF0iAHjBpIBAzYuM5gBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiL-tS6x_3vAhUN1hoKHVEYCIYQ4dUDCA4)

The technology provides apparatus and methods for generating hydrogen without applying electrical energy from an outside source.

https://overunity.com/518/linnards-hydrogen-on-demand-system-without-electricity/msg149330/#msg149330 (https://overunity.com/518/linnards-hydrogen-on-demand-system-without-electricity/msg149330/#msg149330)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=linnard+griffin&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=linnard+griffin&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)









2.
http://www.dotyenergy.com/ (http://www.dotyenergy.com/)
http://www.dotyenergy.com/References/References.htm (http://www.dotyenergy.com/References/References.htm)


energetic (and financial) budget calculation with under-/over-unity electrolyzer !?



https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.windbranche.de/news/nachrichten/artikel-36876-schwimmender-offshore-windpark-vor-portugal-in-betrieb (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.windbranche.de/news/nachrichten/artikel-36876-schwimmender-offshore-windpark-vor-portugal-in-betrieb)

to later
swimming windfarms ,ship-like(ponton)

Acca
Urea
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea)


In great abundance globally


Would be remarkable to turn waste into fuel/good use?

And of course this aura or plasma is on "must do" list for build topic here!
Thank you


Chet

my water absorbs, no, it just devours RF power.  At the same time it heats up.

Here we used to talk about thin water films. There were even patents on this topic.
And if you use a water-oil emulsion in the cell? At least it will be non-conductive.
And it will be possible to create a high voltage on the electrodes.
And also, possibly, a high potential difference will be applied to a micro-drop of water in an oil emulsion. What we need. What do you think about this?
Has anyone tried this?

You're making it more complicated that it has to be.
In a WFC the water is a dielectric. Just like any electrolytic cap, a WFC can suffer dielectric breakdown!

                                                                     What is a dielectric breakdown?

"Avalanche breakdown within solids and liquid dielectrics is accompanied by chemical and physical changes that release gaseous byproducts. Pressure from the entrapped gas can contribute to further mechanical fracturing and electrical failure of surrounding solid dielectric material, and further weakening of dielectric strength in liquid dielectrics. In solids, dielectric breakdown causes irreversible damage, weakening it to the point where the dielectric can no longer perform its insulating function. In liquids, if power is quickly removed, the dielectric typically recovers most, or all, of its original dielectric breakdown strength and the associated equipment does not need to be taken out of service. Gases recover their original dielectric strength once power is removed and hot gases (from the previous breakdown spark or arc) have cooled down".
https://qr.ae/pGIFQh (https://qr.ae/pGIFQh)
https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-dielectric-breakdown?share=1 (https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-dielectric-breakdown?share=1)

QuoteYou're making it more complicated that it has to be.
In a WFC the water is a dielectric.

But I can't do it. Perhaps H2power can do it. But I haven't yet.
Only if I use "dielectric electrodes".

Practice overvolting some small (very small!) electrolytic caps.

Quote from: Panos25 on February 24, 2016, 10:25:55 AM
There are two machines made from Petros Zografos.

One generates huge amounts of HHO and the other generates directly electricity.
The main principle of both machines is the same and they do not work with any kind of electrolysis.

The production of the HHO is done by bombarding water with high frequency electromagnetic waves in a scale of THz ( the exact frequency is kept secret).

The patent and schematics are here:
http://www.hellagen.gr/search/label/ (http://www.hellagen.gr/search/label/)ΠΑΤΕΝΤΑ

site dedicated to the invention: http://www.hellagen.gr (http://www.hellagen.gr)

The original link to the patent doesn't show any results.
Does anyone know where  to find  original patent in English.
Wesley

ZOGRAFOS PETROS EVANGELOU
publicated  2013-02-13


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130213&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B

thank you for the link.
_____________________________
some additional information:
The main cause of sound attenuation in fresh water, and at high frequency in sea water (above 100 kHz) is viscosity.
Important additional contributions at lower frequency in seawater are associated with the ionic relaxation of boric acid (up to c. 10 kHz) and magnesium sulfate (c. 10 kHz-100 kHz).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_acoustics#:~:text= (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_acoustics#:~:text=)


That means  attenuation is a force and process that uses released energy to provide desired effect.
At different  frequency the effect will be characteristic to  already known phenomena . And that is why inventor keeps  frequency in secret.

__________________________________
Terahertz waves from electrons oscillating in liquid water:

QuoteIonization of water molecules by light generates free electrons in liquid water.

so all you need is just light, or concentrated light by Fresnel lens

QuoteIt displays a frequency between 0.2 and 1.5 THz, depending on the electron concentration in the liquid. The emitted THz waves originate from oscillations of the solvated electrons and their water ...

https://www.bing.com/search?q=THz+frequency++and++water&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=thz+frequency+and+water&sc=1-23&sk=&cvid=2ACDDA7BE2404C289263B35A1BC3697E (https://www.bing.com/search?q=THz+frequency++and++water&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=thz+frequency+and+water&sc=1-23&sk=&cvid=2ACDDA7BE2404C289263B35A1BC3697E)


Hit a thin layer of water with the right frequency of a laser and it can emit terahertz radiation; this is useful for several purposes, such as viewing your insides safely (x-rays are dangerous, so exposure must be strictly limited; terahertz rays are safe).
https://www.bing.com/search?q=THz+frequency++and++water&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=thz+frequency+and+water&sc=1-23&sk=&cvid=2ACDDA7BE2404C289263B35A1BC3697E

(https://www.bing.com/search?q=THz+frequency++and++water&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=thz+frequency+and+water&sc=1-23&sk=&cvid=2ACDDA7BE2404C289263B35A1BC3697E)REMEMBER:
NOT  ALL "LIGHT" IS VISIBLE.  means not all photons are noted but they are there.
After you resonate  in THz antenna ray  and rectify  these electromagnetical oscillation you have DC  energy  ready to use
simple electrical energy for free.  - FE
Unfortunately  to some of you :
You can't patent it as it is here said  by me.

By law - invention must not be published by anyone prior to filing .
So if you do that, than I will get you "by the balls"

Wesley

tools to apply for  investigation of this  kind of FE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terahertz_time-domain_spectroscopy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terahertz_time-domain_spectroscopy)
_{it can also  be done for 10- 50 dollars of investment}


Light Unit Conversion Table  - These are general conversion factors.
Unit of measure :
Footcandles
LUX
umol.m^.2s¹ of PAR
moles/day (PAR)
Watts/m^.2 (total energy)
________________________________________________
WM^.2:
Watts per square meter (WM.2). A unit of measure of the amount of light energy hitting a surface that is in the range of 400-800 nanometers.
some other forms of measurement :
https://www.stouchlighting.com/blog/electricity-and-energy-terms-in-led-lighting-j-kw-kwh-lm/w (https://www.stouchlighting.com/blog/electricity-and-energy-terms-in-led-lighting-j-kw-kwh-lm/w)
_______________________________
But that is just measurement of light intensity and energy ...
We are interested in how much energy is  converted to  EM wave and than to electricity and that gives you your FE.
Wesley

There is number of articles that  may discourage  experimenter:
The one below will tell you that  it is impossible to  gain from  it due to nature of THz band.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/military/the-truth-about-terahertz (https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/military/the-truth-about-terahertz)
____________________________________
Confusion of the public is caused by this article broad assumption,
that behavior of EM wave can be  looked at all frequencies starting from 1THz and up as unified.
Instead of it experimenter should look at properties of particular EM frequency .
The higher we  go the bigger  is energy of  every single period measured in eV, keV, MeV, GeV.
Article of Carter M. Armstrong vice president of engineering in the electron devices division of L-3 Communications (http://www2.l-3com.com/edd/index.htm), from Aug17 of  2012 | 19:39 GMT 
doesn't mention anything about light  shooting at water and creating EM wave.
_____________________________________

QuoteSo to get a 1-W signal, you might need to start with kilowatts of input power, or greater.

Wesley's  explanation:
Never more wrong statement could be said by a scientist.
Article suffers with totall lack  of  explanation of :
- THz antennas
-wave behavior in Near and Far field.
-wave behavior in the interface.
-analysis of photon from sun heating your body  so you feel warm due to its energy conversion to  heat.

EXAMPLE:
heating of 1 liter of water  for 1degree of Celsius  requires:
_Answer:
1 watt is = 24 calorie per second.
It takes 1000 calories to raise 1 liter of water one degree C.
So apply about 4000 watts for one second to do this.
<sub>EASY ENOUGH?
Can your body at 35 degree day , be  heated  for 1C up in 1 second?
https://www.quora.com/How-many-watts-are-required-to-raise-one-liter-of-water-by-one-degree-centigrade?top_ans=147118752

(https://www.quora.com/How-many-watts-are-required-to-raise-one-liter-of-water-by-one-degree-centigrade?top_ans=147118752)</sub> How about if :
- you get 4kW/h of energy from that conversion?
  Your typical  household uses  ~ 6kW per day.


You don't need to build a source, but  use spectral purity  you need by applying filters and polarization to the source , and your source is for free.
A simple piece of ferrite with its metal particles at right size to resonate with 1/4 or  half wavelength may act  as an excellent antenna
These particles are already isolated by bounding  compound  in the process of creation of that ferrite.
Cheap plastic strip 1m long made for refrigerator magnets before magnetization can be used .
The stack of many of them creates multilevel of stack antennas for array.
_________________________________________

There are two forms of conversion of sun energy that may interest  us.
1.  heat energy per cubic m of heated water where  max  depth is ~5cm.
2. energy of THz wave triggered  by  light and than converted to electricity
_{We would be interested  in  that energy density  from the distance  compatible to near field of that frequency  in the water or  just right above  it, using  High Gain antenna ray .
However in near field this antenna ray may act  like a transformer due to electromagnetic coupling of energy but definitely wouldn't look like transformer.
Example:
At 4mm frequency - a quarter wave antenna will have  active quarter wave element = 1mm.
that is still possible to be build at home with 26 gauge,  having  cheap Chinese microscope glass that costs $50}

Wesley

Coming back to original patent  allowing Electrolysis of water and decomposition  of  water into oxygen and hydrogen gas.
If it was patented  by inventor ( I didn't check  patent status) than mechanisms mentioned by me earlier applies.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130213&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B#
Inventor(s):  ZOGRAFOS PETROS EVANGELOU [GR]; SPILIOPOULOS IOANNIS DIMITRIOU [GR]  +
(https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130213&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B#) Applicant(s):  ZOGRAFOS PETROS EVANGELOU [GR]; SPILIOPOULOS IOANNIS DIMITRIOU [GR] 
Classification:  international: B01J19/12 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130213&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B#); B01J7/02 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130213&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B#); C01B3/04 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130213&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B#); C25B1/04 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130213&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B#) 
cooperative:  B01J19/129 (GR) (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/classification?locale=en_EP#!/CPC=B01J19/129); B01J7/02 (GR) (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/classification?locale=en_EP#!/CPC=B01J7/02); C01B3/042 (GR) (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/classification?locale=en_EP#!/CPC=C01B3/042); C25B1/04 (GR) (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/classification?locale=en_EP#!/CPC=C25B1/04); Y02E60/36 (EP) (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/classification?locale=en_EP#!/CPC=Y02E60/36)
Application number: GR20120100234 20120430 
Priority number(s):  GR20120100234 20120430
Body of the patent application:

QuoteNovelty: There are disclosed a method and a device destined for water electrolysis and production of hydrogen to be used
as combustible by combination of high frequencies produced by semitonic oscillators; when mixed, reinforced and combined,
said frequencies contrive to break water into its elements (hydrogen and oxygen) upon influence of the coordination effect.
Secondary frequencies configurating the structure of the primary frequencies for obtaining adequately-combined frequencies
by means of the respective electronic circuit composed of an isolator, a mixer, a directional coupler, a multiplier, configurators,
digital frequency controllers, and linear amplifiers can be introduced with the assistance of adequate main and auxiliary treatment
equipment into the primary frequencies produced by the semitonic oscillators.
The vibration of water molecules and the breaking thereof into hydrogen and oxygen are obtained by suitably-coordinated frequencies.
The gases are, thereafter, separated by special sorting guides while the produced hydrogen is conducted through the respective
specific connection to the energy generation mechanism for being used as fuel.

Due to the presence of gas and water molecules in the atmosphere, electromagnetic wave travels more slowly,
and part of its energy is scattered or absorbed.
Some molecules present in a standard atmosphere are excited by the specific frequencies in the THz band.
An excited molecule internally vibrates, and as a result of this vibration, part of the energy of the propagating wave
is converted into kinetic energy and is simply lost.
and yes we are  interested  in this energy conversion.



Wesley

here is  block schematic diagram:
-signal from filter 1 goes to  buffer2  (  capacitor)
-than is amplified by driver amplifier 3 ,
-than goes to mixer  with PLL loops 7 and 7' controlling  local    oscillators 5 and 5" whose frequency is modulated by modulators 6 and 6"
- after that frequency is changed x 26 and 
-than  is delivered to  the filter  10 like in regular heterodyne radio
-than we have directional coupler 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_dividers_and_directional_couplers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_dividers_and_directional_couplers)
  interesting is that this coupler has 2 ports  where each one  goes
  to  amplifiers   12A and 12B
  It is  one way transmission only

- than  we have  two amplifiers  12A and 12B  delivering signal  at 180  degrees phase difference  to   the two  opposite antenna electrodes inside the HHO chamber
that signal is canceling itself inside of the chamber fluid.

The easiest way to understand it is  is to picture yourself  the cylindrical pipes one inside the other  where every second one is connected to  amplifier 12A
and every first one is connected to  amplifier 12B
Each of cylinders  must be  in resonance  with delivered  frequency and act  like load with the fluid inside.
So if  first  cylinder  of amplifier 12 is  inside  having small diameter fi  and being the tallest
than third  cylinder  of amplifier 12 is  having  much larger diameter fi  but  is smaller .
the   fifth   cylinder  of amplifier 12 is  having  much, much  larger diameter fi  but  is smaller than  first and  second
For me this is classical Stanley Meyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell


Unfortunately I don't speak  Greek Language  to tell you more.
But THz frequency is unlikely used there.

Wesley

you would take and replica this device. You have more opportunities for this.
Unlike us.

Wesley much gratitude for your efforts in these posts, it had to hours to compose these..

Acca..

Can our respected Wesley be able to answer how this works?  I really don't understand.
He knows everything, explained my most tricky questions.  :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor)

Quotethe ratio of conductivity to permittivity means that self discharge time is circa 180μs,

The spark gap cannot operate at this speed (frequency).
Or this drawing, someone's joke?

" .... self discharge ...." : related (search machine) sonolumniscence
#123: to somebody " his balls" a published THz- spectrum heater/cooler by Dr.Helmut Reichelt et al. as " (no) power stick",date : 1982 ,so new ,only +- 40 years young !  ::)

Quote from: kolbacict on April 21, 2021, 04:48:42 AM
Can our respected Wesley be able to answer how this works?  I really don't understand.
He knows everything, explained my most tricky questions.  :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor)The spark gap cannot operate at this speed (frequency).
Or this drawing, someone's joke?

Wikipedia:

Quote(for totally pure water, only thermally ionized, at 25 °C (77 °F) the ratio of conductivity to permittivity means that self discharge time is circa 180μs,
faster with higher temperatures or dissolved impurities)
usually cannot be made to store enough residual electrical energy to cause serious bodily injury.

<sub>Our modern world  still at some point uses  lies.
The reason  we think about some  Russians as lair's is  that the sophistication of these lies 
is likely not at the level  or in  the brackets of our Western World average perception "bandwidth."

By that:
Wikipedia is not Russian  and can't  lie, Wikipedia can only be incorrect  but not  for long,.

Yes 
no generator can operate  in the water  or based on  water  capacitors  and High Frequency</sub>

QuoteIf the current flowing in the capacitor exceeds the thermal rating of the pathway for a time period of
sufficient duration such that the temperature rise causes a catastrophic failure of the insulation, then the cap blows.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-calculate-the-max-frequency-a-capacitor-could-withstand-before-it-blows (https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-calculate-the-max-frequency-a-capacitor-could-withstand-before-it-blows)
So it is thermal withstanding factor at W/area in mm that  makes it fail and the higher temperature the  higher is heat/per mm to the 3dth .( cubic)

Quotewater capacitors do not require oil. (in many older designs of capacitors it can be toxic)

QuoteCapacitance can be increased by the addition of electrolytes and minerals to the water, but this increases
the self leakage, and cannot be done beyond its saturation point.^{[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor#cite_note-6)}

QuoteWater has been shown not to be a very reliable substance to store electric charge long term, so more reliable materials are used
for capacitors in industrial applications.^{[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor#cite_note-3)}
However water has the advantage of being self healing after a breakdown, and if the water is steadily circulated through
a de-ionizing resin and filters, then the loss resistance and dielectric behavior can be stabilized.
Thus, in certain unusual situations, such as the generation of extremely high voltage but very short pulses,
a water capacitor may be a practical solution – such as in an experimental Xray pulser.^{[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor#cite_note-4)}

_________________________________

Phenomena mentioned by me  in THz range are related not to a charge but to a electromagnetic wave that needs
to be  received and than rectified  to become FE energy used by  us.
And that is what I was talking about  in my few post  above  starting from interaction of  Light  of the sun and  response of water
in THz range.


Wesley

 That is why in known load and known voltage the dielectric breakdown  of  a material can be calculated and no water is needed.
  like here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwhVggZuh8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwhVggZuh8)
5C30.50 - Marx Generator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvpEb2QO8s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvpEb2QO8s)
New Marx Generator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3D_LC2UzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3D_LC2UzU)
Cockcroft-Walton Multiplier

Wesley

Well, I know how the Marx generator works. The question was not about that.
The question was, how can this work in water?!
The speed of operation of spark gaps should be an order of magnitude higher than the self-discharge time of the water capacitor.

p.s.    sorry, didn't notice it.
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg556971/#msg556971
But even if it is used on rare occasions,

QuoteHowever water has the advantage of being self healing after a breakdown, and if the water is steadily circulated through
a de-ionizing resin and filters, then the loss resistance and dielectric behavior can be stabilized.
Thus, in certain unusual situations, such as the generation of extremely high voltage but very short pulses,
a water capacitor may be a practical solution – such as in an experimental Xray pulser.[4]

How do spark gaps manage to operate before water self-discharge?

 Here  you have two structures compared :
The one on he left is build based on water capacitors and one on the right is based on tantalum capacitors .

1:
wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor#/media/File:Coaxial_Marx_generator.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor#/media/File:Coaxial_Marx_generator.png)

2. Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_goG3ACobCE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_goG3ACobCE)

Wesley

here you  have comparison of spark gap electrodes between the two.
_{links listed in  the post  above}
Wesley

This is  the correction to the post  from above ( the second picture ) in post :
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg556986/#msg556986

it shows more accurately   resistors.
_{The two resistors from the right  should be  looked at  as one single resistor}
Wesley

typical  assembly   in form of schematic is here.
However there is significant difference between  the purely resistive  resistors and  use of  water capacitors c with resistors .
in water  capacitors assembly  resistors are inductive in nature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator)
Wesley

 Here is more about water based  capacitors :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator)
I  pointed  at similarities   between the  two  builds of marx  generator and

Explanation:
I pointed at spark gap.
The unfortunate   was that  when comparing the two structures I was in need to  point  at  similarities  making by that more confusion than  benefit to the reader.

-And that is  obvious when we look at spark gap by itself.
when looking at my previous pictures you see points marking spark gap electrodes and red circles  around it.
but actual accurate  explanation  for water based capacitors is in picture  below


Proper performance depends upon  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator)capacitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor) selection and the timing of the discharge.
Switching times can be improved by doping of the electrodes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrode) with radioactive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive) isotopes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes)  caesium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium) 137 or nickel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel) 63,
and by orienting the spark gaps so that ultraviolet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet)
light from a firing spark gap switch illuminates the remaining open spark gaps.^{[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator#cite_note-3)}
Insulation of the high voltages produced is often accomplished by immersing the Marx generator
in transformer oil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_oil) or a high pressure dielectric gas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_gas) such as sulfur hexafluoride (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF6) (SF₆).

..

 here I point at water capacitors
Wesley

 Here I point at solid metal structure
Wesley

 Here I point at  water resistor  at another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfZFSay_1A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfZFSay_1A)
Lightning Generator Made Of Water (DIY Marx Generator)
Wesley

Salt water based  capacitors uses  plastic as dielectric an salt water as a conductor
Wesley

QuoteSwitching times can be improved by doping of the electrodes with radioactive isotopes caesium 137 or nickel 63,
and by orienting the spark gaps so that ultraviolet
light from a firing spark gap switch illuminates the remaining open spark gaps.[3]

understandably. that's better.  :)
Only i still take doubts whether the upper water capacitor be able  charged through a chain of resistors with a resistance of tens of megohms.
But an amazing idea came to me, how to give up  resistors for charging . :) ;)
I will draw, I will show ...

 

QuoteYou may be thinking that water is a good conductor of electricity but remember that only
water with ions present conducts electricity. 
Deionized water (water with all ions removed) is actually a poor conductor of electricity. 
The dielectric constant of pure water at 20 degress C is 80.1.

https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-dielectric-constant-water-375624#:~:text=You%20may%20be%20thinking%20that%20water%20is%20a,pure%20water%20at%2020%20degress%20C%20is%2080.1 (https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-dielectric-constant-water-375624#:~:text=You%20may%20be%20thinking%20that%20water%20is%20a,pure%20water%20at%2020%20degress%20C%20is%2080.1).
so we have two factors :
1. temperature
2. deionization
_____________________
But we also have the third one :
- impurities in the water.
so water needs to  be distilled .
_______________________________________
What is the dielectric constant of water?

Quote_{A dielectric is a material that will polarize itself when subjected to an external electric field.  The dielectric material itself is not a true conductor of electricity.  But the partial positive..}.

__________________________________________________

https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/56/jresv56n1p1_A1b.pdf (https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/56/jresv56n1p1_A1b.pdf)

Quotecapacitance-conductance bridge, operated at frequencies below 100 kilocycles per second, was used to measure:

-the dielectric constant of water with an accuracy of better than 0.1 percent at 5-degree intervals over the range .0° to 100° C.
At 25° C the dielectric constant was found to have the value 78.30,
which is about 0.3 percent lower than t hat usually accepted.

The data fit the equation E= 87. 740 - 0.400081+ 9.398(10- 4)tL 1.410(10- 6)13, with a maximum deviation of 0.01 unit in dielectric constant.
The experimental method and sources of error are considered in some detail.

Wesley

So how good is water as dielectric is one question?
the other question is : how good is water as isolator.
as  some of you dont  always  see the difference  between the two.
===============================================


For more practical approach we need to look at  EDM  machine.

it does  "miracles"  to the  conductive materials .
but this is just easy way to  play with almost the same schematic  when playing  with HHO
the article explaining it is here :
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/deionized-water (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/deionized-water)





__________________________________________
the practical use  of the  EDM  go here:
https://youtu.be/4iB7kkCy1xM?t=141 (https://youtu.be/4iB7kkCy1xM?t=141)
some of the wire  EDM could be  acquired  in  USA for $100 in working condition.
I had one in my  mechanical part of the lab.
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE?t=25 (https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE?t=25)







https://youtu.be/2dsrLD52Mv0?t=885 (https://youtu.be/2dsrLD52Mv0?t=885)
just don't believe in this video to the statement that  precision machining with EDM costs  as much as a house in USA.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.

<sub>SO WHY HE IS SAYING IT?
BECAUSE HE  IS LIKELY NOT AN AMERICAN


There is  the difference between  a British experimenter as  well as EU
and us the AMERICANS  - we are over-saturated with everything and sometime it is a need  just to take it...
Yes... some guys wants you to take  it for  free..</sub>

In some  very much democratic countries making scrap  from tools, measurement equipment and  and machines  is impossible, 
if there is  any, means anyone willing to buy it for more than 0 dollars.
But in some countries   having 'per capita"  at level of "third world countries "   in  Eastern part of Еurope  it is quite different story .

And Russians?..................
Russians  unfortunately can dream about   earning  additional 25 dollars more   
per month in addition to their monthly  175 dollars average salary in regions.

African Uganda is $280/mo
Papua New Guinea  average is $195/ mo
https://youtu.be/Rq8SA3AB06k?t=130 (https://youtu.be/Rq8SA3AB06k?t=130)
Here is some  Papula technology to enlarge  human male  reproduction organs.
I hope some  Russians can learn  something  from that as it is inexpensive and easily accessible .
There is still in average  1 per every 10 000 Russians who speaks  at least some English there  but,
I can help  with translation if needed.
_{I'm not   professional in this area but it is interesting  how it works from science based  stand point.}

Wesley

Quote from: kolbacict on April 22, 2021, 02:39:25 PM
understandably. that's better.
But an amazing idea came to me,

The schematic posted by you will likely  not work.
The same core is sharing  windings from each stage including  the first  coupling with generator.
It will  blow  in no time. ( "no time " -is an idiom)
Can you correct me if I didn't understand something?
Wesley

Quotehttps://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/181267/

Really awesome. :)

QuoteThe same core is sharing  windings from each stage including  the first  coupling with generator.

Well, the windings are separated by very good insulation.
Similar to how it is done in split transformers from TV.
p.s. May I ask again why everyone thinks Stanley Meer is dead?

p.p.s. Here's more on the topic of Marx's water condensers.
http://elib.biblioatom.ru/text/ucheny-mechtatel-borets_2006/go,325/ (http://elib.biblioatom.ru/text/ucheny-mechtatel-borets_2006/go,325/)

The decomposition of water or carbon dioxide are similar processes.
https://wp.icmm.csic.es/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2015/06/JPCL2010.pdf

40 nanometer slit ...
Interestingly, the released carbon will be   closed that small gap.short circuit.
water enthalpy 285 vs 394 CO2
Let H2S dissociate first ...

Another possibility is to recover from CO2 to CO (carbon monoxide). It is also combustible, like hydrogen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQgrMtAydIU

Interestant,really interestant :


https://wp.icmm.csic.es/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2015/06/JPCL2010.pdf (https://wp.icmm.csic.es/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2015/06/JPCL2010.pdf)


by ORMES elementar state https://www.samueljones.org/en/ormus_patent.html (https://www.samueljones.org/en/ormus_patent.html)   detection process view

f.e.
Subsequent annealing produces the G-ORME


The G-ORME has an electron rearrangement whereby it acquires a d orbital hole or holes which share energy with an electron or electrons.This pairing occurs under the influence of a magnetic field external to the field of the electrons.


G-ORM Es are stable and possess strong interatomic repulsive magnetic forces, relative to their attractive forces


G-ORME stability is demonstrated by unique thermal and chemical properties


The white saltlike material that is formed from G-ORM Es after treatment with halogens, and the white oxide appearing material formed when G-ORM Es are treated with fuming HC 104 or fuming H 2504 are dissimilar from the T-metal or its salts


The G-ORME will not react with cyanide, will not be dissolved by aqua regia, and will not wet or amalgamate with mercury It also does not sinter at 800 'C under reducing conditions, and remains an amorphous powder at 12004 C


( not reacting like "normal" gold washing process or "Koenigswasser= Salzsaeure" vulnerable )


These characteristics are contrary to what is observed for metallic gold and/or gold cluster salts


G-ORM Es require a more negative potential than -2 45 V to be reduced, a potential that cannot be achieved with ordinarily known aqueous chemistry.


The strong interatomic repulsive forces are demonstrated in that the G-ORM Es remain as a powder at 1200 'C.
"normal" gold melt-point : 1064° C


This phenomenon results from cancelling of the normal at- tractive forces arising from the net interaction between the shielded, paired electrons and the unshielded, unpaired s and d valence electrons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valence_electron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valence_electron)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19980305&CC=DE&NR=19637710A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19980305&CC=DE&NR=19637710A1&KC=A1)

G-ORM Es have no unpaired valence electrons and, therefore, tend not to aggregate as would clusters of gold which have one or more unpaired valence electrons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_metal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_metal) detector/mining ?!

                                           
                                                       elektret                    chemtret

                                                  "normal"/( f.e. G-) ORM(es)  spectrometer profile ?

He sended the probes to U.S.S.R,today F.R.R. or RF for Russian Federation !


( My assumption,could also be Ucraine/Kiev or other Ex-U.S.S.R. estates . By research interest: who received the probes and studied by which scopic process and scale ?)






https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-melt-gold-room-temperature-1226339#:~:text=Most%20metals%20have%20very%20high,melt%20gold%20at%20room%20temperature (https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-melt-gold-room-temperature-1226339#:~:text=Most%20metals%20have%20very%20high,melt%20gold%20at%20room%20temperature).


Gold and other chemical elements !








Quanten pair ,pair = "Zustaende/BEING", in-/stable






Physikalischer Zustand Der Unumkehrbarkeit


Physikalischer Zustand Der    Umkehrbarkeit




Rectenna/Nantenna with ordinary metals and/or transition metals

In the decomposition of water,unlike of other projects  I have hope for success, because molecular bonds are quantum things. And there various miracles can happen. :)
Although it has not yet been possible to create a high-intensity electric field in water.
A conductor of electric current, after all. And carbon dioxide, like many other things, a dielectric, is easier with it. As a child, I myself received ozone between two glass tubes with two electrodes.
In a Dielectric, a molecule can be broken apart by a sufficiently strong electric field. Ozone is an example of this. But how do you do it with water? There was hope for high frequencies, but they are also absorbed by water.

And what about water above the critical temperature, it loses its electrical conductivity?

Maybe in nanostructures superconductivity and "superinsulators" are possible. 

Quote from: Sergh on June 05, 2021, 11:35:51 AM
Maybe in nanostructures superconductivity and "superinsulators" are possible.

Not an answer but a step-by-step help by others :


https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/chaochen/files/7-2013_microfluid_nanofluid_brownian_motion-induced_water_slip_inside_carbon_nanotubes.pdf (https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/chaochen/files/7-2013_microfluid_nanofluid_brownian_motion-induced_water_slip_inside_carbon_nanotubes.pdf)


f.e.


"   .... , there is no critical interfacial shear stress to conquer, and water could slip inside CNTs under any given pressure drop due to the thermal activation at room temperature. ..."


conductivity
enforced c.
deforced c.
superconductivty
isolator


the physical "term" amplitude(max/min) defined


How small this here offered process can become micronized :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=28&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920507&CC=DE&NR=4035445A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=28&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920507&CC=DE&NR=4035445A1&KC=A1)

Quote from ACCA earlier in this topic
""About 2 years ago I studied the Zographos videos and in one video he had a spectrum analyzer


the display had shown the the upper end of a 300 Ghz. which was quite a shock to me as I worked on radars on slightly lower frequencies.. In the glass test test tube he had placed a small metal plate. Some of the invited scientist passed around the small metal square plate, they where quite surprised, as the device would not work with out the metal square plate in the test tube.. and some years earlier another RF guy John Kanzius used an RF exciter 13.75 Mhz to split water in between two antennas again in a test tube with a tissue immersed wick and the gas would light the wick with a yellow flame as Zographos did it on Greek TV for hours at a time.  The point is that RF in it's self break's up water bonds, the question is what frequency is the best and what modulation is needed to do that.. Now I have split water with RF at 750 KHhz as using a Russian Tesla coil (katcher) a single transistor RF oscillator with some 10 watts of power and was surprised that it worked as it involved high frequency diodes and a test tube. I will post a video later of that..In closing I am surprised that Zographos is still around with incredible knowledge that he has amassed in his RF field in Cell phones.. SO I have posted here on another thread today about this New Zealand company they also have a cheap way of splitting water and it is 20 times less than the conventional electrolysis RF may be a contender as well as graphene.. This none of these tech(s) will NOT see the light of the day, unless it is opened sourced to the people..


Acca..
End quote

Ps from ... https://m.youtube.com/user/FleischmannMemorial/videos (https://m.youtube.com/user/FleischmannMemorial/videos)
A bump


And a hobby worth sharing??


Respectfully
Chet K

QuoteNow I have split water with RF at 750 KHhz as using a Russian Tesla coil (katcher) a single transistor RF oscillator with some 10 watts of power and was surprised that it worked as it involved high frequency diodes and a test tube.

Why can't I succeed? Nothing is splited. Nothing comes out?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdX5Hhk9r0 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdX5Hhk9r0)


Carbon free steel using hydrogen
Being done by Volvo and Mercedes and ...


Enormous ...humungous reduction in carbon generation during manufacture
And water is the waste ......


See process description at 4 minute mark in vid


97% less carbon


ACCA


Please help !!


We need to have more "clean water is waste product
Of process"






After work is done


Respectfully
Chet K

Thus, an important scientific announcement comes from major research institutes,
which concerns what the inventor Petros Zografos said - and published - 4 years ago,
regarding the bypassing of the 2nd thermodynamic law, related to the operation of the great invention that produces electricity using as fuel, simple water and an alloy of materials.


These are the recent publications on the websites of the well-known German Max Planck Institute (https://www.fkf.mpg.de/2699241/FuelCells) and the American company HIDEN Analytical Inc. (https://hideninc.com/6113-2/),

the world's largest designer, developer and manufacturer of gas analysis equipment, including mass spectrometry instruments. In the Max Planck Institute report above, e.g. regarding fuel cells as one of several applications, it is clearly pointed out that special electrochemical reactions allow the direct conversion of chemical energy into electrical energy without the limitation of the Carnot principle.

I just published 2 videos from the Zografos press conference where he showed his 50 KWatts Generator. in my Youtube channel here,
no membership required, for these 2 videos, where I also explained in the comments, how this generator principle works....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbFGQtTJUOwandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEulh5rUTQw
its the same video but one time with English Audio only.

I had to buy a membership of a translation service to being able to translate Greek language to ENglish language.

So I would apprciate it, if you helpp me book more translations by buying my Youtube membership, so you can also see, what Zografos did there at the Press conference and how he lighted up his Electric incandescent light bulbs from this 50 KWatts Generator.I have a video of it in my membership channel on youtube with english language commentary...


Now as we know it that he is using GUNN Diodes to rectify this kind of metallic Hydrogen Ions under pressure from RF Currents to DC output
and then using inverters to power his light bulbs, it is getting clear, that his process is very efficient.

In a recent study the Max Plank Institute confirmed, that this way the Carnot efficiency can be broken, thus it has overcome the second law of thermodynamics..

Thus, an important scientific announcement comes from major research institutes, which concerns what the inventor Petros Zografos said - and published - 4 years ago, regarding the bypassing of the 2nd thermodynamic law, related to the operation of the great invention that produces electricity using as fuel simple water and an alloy of materials. These are the recent publications on the websites of the well-known German Max Planck Institute (https://www.fkf.mpg.de/2699241/FuelCells) and the American company HIDEN Analytical Inc. (https://hideninc.com/6113-2/), the world's largest designer, developer and manufacturer of gas analysis equipment, including mass spectrometry instruments. In the Max Planck Institute report above, e.g. regarding fuel cells as one of several applications, it is clearly pointed out that special electrochemical reactions allow the direct conversion of chemical energy into electrical energy without the limitation of the Carnot principle.

Well, there is another video from Zografos, where he shows a kind of toy device, where one can see more clearly the function pronciple and I still must translate it all hopefully very well, so I need to book more minutes in this translation service..which is unfortunately pretty expensive...also Damn Youtube does not generate any substitles fro Greek videos...so I need to use a different service to translate the videos which charges Money...

If you want to support me in this please pay the subscription to my Youtube channel.Many many thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg/join

Hope this helps. Regards, Stefan.

I today uploaded the Zografos English translation from the Toy Model device.

Please have a look here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gp3tqbEHHY

And read the comments, where I revealed how it is probably working...
Now we only need to find the right Ghz standard PCB components that Zografos has used there..
He is probably using standard RF GigaHz PCB components and we just need to find them to replicate this.
Please also help to cover the cost for the translation service by joining my Youtube membership.I have more videos from Zografos in the quoe...
This one I had tried to sharpen and upscale to 720p resolution to better see the PCB components.Seems, it is just a 1 or 2 part semiconductor PCB on this toy fan device..

If you want to support me in this please pay the subscription to my Youtube channel.Many many thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg/join (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg/join)

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)

I picked out water overunity videos from my overunity playlist and added a bunch of other ones and here it is, probably the most comprehenisive water overunity playlist on youtube. 53 videos.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGl7XYI5ch-F1vJBB7g_2ehi

Majority of motors in the list are water only and few are mostly water with little gas.

I have spent like half hour looking for Arturo Estevez water motorcycle and finally found it, good thing is while i was looking for it i found a whole bunch of new ones.

Keely claimed 42,800 Hz would vaporize water instantly into energy.

"New nanomaterial extracts hydrogen from seawater. A Italian inventor Loris Mazza from San Marino claims he invented a bike that rides 100% on water - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split 13.56 Mhz"

I am personally not interested in using hydrogen or burning/explosion in any form.

But still it is an interesting another overunity method.

A Friend personally visited and checked his device, a TV team filmed his travel. Wonder why there is no update about Zagrafos.
In the past Zagrafos made big claims and years later there is nothing going on.
There is also a secret he tries to hide in one of the Videos, when he showed the inner of his device and pull out some kind of metal out of it before showing the rest.
I forgot the name but there is a aluminium welding material which has been sold in the 50s which could produce Hydrogen only by putting it into water...

yes correct it is Chemalloy, thanks  ;)

Quote from: nix85 on May 30, 2023, 02:24:18 AM
Keely claimed 42,800 Hz would vaporize water instantly into energy.
"New nanomaterial extracts hydrogen from seawater. A Italian inventor Loris Mazza from San Marino claims he invented a bike that rides 100% on water - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split 13.56 Mhz"

I had a whole epic with the decomposition of water two years ago. water was only boiling .

Quote from: kolbacict on May 30, 2023, 10:53:48 AM
I had a whole epic with the decomposition of water two years ago. water was only boiling .

Well, many fail but (relatively) many succeed as well. You clearly did not do it right. Cleary all has to be done right, materials, spacing, voltage/frequency etc.

Quote from: hartiberlin on May 27, 2023, 03:30:43 PM
Now as we know it that he is using GUNN Diodes to rectify this kind of metallic Hydrogen Ions under pressure from RF Currents to DC output
and then using inverters to power his light bulbs, it is getting clear, that his process is very efficient.

These diodes do not rectify. In principle, they cannot rectify alternating current. The resistance of such a diode in both directions is a couple of ohms. They can only generate microwaves. The efficiency is low. With a constant current of 2 amperes and a voltage of 4 - 5 volts, this is 8 -10 watts of power, we get 0.2 watts at the output. They heat up strongly. These diodes is very small. Difficult to dissipate heat. You need a big radiator or water. Without external airflow, it works for a couple of minutes before overheating. A few burned out or broke due to the high clamping force during the experiments.

The bottom photo shows types of homemade generators.

Microwave 20+ GHz is very strongly absorbed by water. Even a 5 millimeter layer of water reduces everything to zero. No beneficial effect for HHO was observed. The problem is not so easy to solve. I put it away a couple of years ago. Until the essential details are clarified.

To rectify the microwave, other diodes are needed. If you are interested, search the Internet for "microwave harvesting".

Zografos is not an expert in microwave or lying.  He believes that no microwave specialist will watch his video.. facepalm. His microwave equipment is mainly for servicing mobile cellular communications, probably outdated and sold cheaply.

The main problem is - this is random industrial equipment for cell towers, which never matches the frequencies that Zografos refers to.

There was a video where Zografos tears the paper into which the generator is glued, and there you can see 2 ordinary powerful low-frequency transistors in the TO247 package. Is there an induction heater coil in the "Microwave Emitter"?

Here, a man from Greece is doing something similar:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2AcIsQyR5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2AcIsQyR5s)

Just a note :Open source Community does have access to donated microwave generators/test equipment
Which was donated by Wesley.
We also have access to open source microwave scientists/engineers..


Sergh,
You are a tremendous resource to this open source experimenter community!


Sorry to interrupt..
Respectfully
Chet K

Quote from: Sergh on May 31, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
These diodes do not rectify. In principle, they cannot rectify alternating current. The resistance of such a diode in both directions is a couple of ohms. They can only generate microwaves. The efficiency is low. With a constant current of 2 amperes and a voltage of 4 - 5 volts, this is 8 -10 watts of power, we get 0.2 watts at the output. They heat up strongly. These diodes is very small. Difficult to dissipate heat. You need a big radiator or water. Without external airflow, it works for a couple of minutes before overheating. A few burned out or broke due to the high clamping force during the experiments.

The bottom photo shows types of homemade generators.

Microwave 20+ GHz is very strongly absorbed by water. Even a 5 millimeter layer of water reduces everything to zero. No beneficial effect for HHO was observed. The problem is not so easy to solve. I put it away a couple of years ago. Until the essential details are clarified.

To rectify the microwave, other diodes are needed. If you are interested, search the Internet for "microwave harvesting".

Zografos is not an expert in microwave or lying.  He believes that no microwave specialist will watch his video.. facepalm. His microwave equipment is mainly for servicing mobile cellular communications, probably outdated and sold cheaply.

The main problem is - this is random industrial equipment for cell towers, which never matches the frequencies that Zografos refers to.

There was a video where Zografos tears the paper into which the generator is glued, and there you can see 2 ordinary powerful low-frequency transistors in the TO247 package. Is there an induction heater coil in the "Microwave Emitter"?

Here, a man from Greece is doing something similar:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2AcIsQyR5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2AcIsQyR5s)

He said that the inside of his oscillator was covered with gold. I don't know if it's true but he showed it in the video.

Quote from: nix85 on June 01, 2023, 04:14:23 AM
According to the the young inventor, the generator he has designed is capable of running a motor car for 80 kilometres using only one litre of water, without any danger to life or any impact on the environment.

Why does he need a liter of water?  One hundred grams is enough.
Then it will only be necessary to collect the water obtained at the exit.
And return it to the fuel tank.

Quote from: r2fpl on June 01, 2023, 04:56:06 AM
He said that the inside of his oscillator was covered with gold. I don't know if it's true but he showed it in the video.

Well, some industrial waveguides are covered with gold. No wonder.
I heard there were even rhodium platings.  And it was the best plating.

Quote from: kolbacict on June 01, 2023, 07:41:04 AM
Why does he need a liter of water?  One hundred grams is enough.
Then it will only be necessary to collect the water obtained at the exit.
And return it to the fuel tank.

Maybe he could. But you forget not all water is the same. The reason hydrogen releases so much energy is cause it is charged with Vril. Is water just formed after burning of hydrogen charged with Vril is a question. Maybe it needs to stay in the sun for a while to get charged.

Just Define, what really is Vril..
It is more like an esoteric format...not related to hydrogen production.
But don't  bomb again this thread here, just post it into a new thread, if you want to answer...Thanks.
This thread and topic should stay focussed onto the Zografos discussion.Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: Sergh on May 31, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
These diodes do not rectify. In principle, they cannot rectify alternating current. The resistance of such a diode in both directions is a couple of ohms. They can only generate microwaves. The efficiency is low. With a constant current of 2 amperes and a voltage of 4 - 5 volts, this is 8 -10 watts of power, we get 0.2 watts at the output. They heat up strongly. These diodes is very small. Difficult to dissipate heat. You need a big radiator or water. Without external airflow, it works for a couple of minutes before overheating. A few burned out or broke due to the high clamping force during the experiments.

The bottom photo shows types of homemade generators.

Microwave 20+ GHz is very strongly absorbed by water. Even a 5 millimeter layer of water reduces everything to zero. No beneficial effect for HHO was observed. The problem is not so easy to solve. I put it away a couple of years ago. Until the essential details are clarified.

To rectify the microwave, other diodes are needed. If you are interested, search the Internet for "microwave harvesting".

Zografos is not an expert in microwave or lying.  He believes that no microwave specialist will watch his video.. facepalm. His microwave equipment is mainly for servicing mobile cellular communications, probably outdated and sold cheaply.

The main problem is - this is random industrial equipment for cell towers, which never matches the frequencies that Zografos refers to.

There was a video where Zografos tears the paper into which the generator is glued, and there you can see 2 ordinary powerful low-frequency transistors in the TO247 package. Is there an induction heater coil in the "Microwave Emitter"?

Here, a man from Greece is doing something similar:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2AcIsQyR5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2AcIsQyR5s)

Hmm, well maybe I mixed this up after my Stroke..
Well well I just rewatched some of his earlier videos and indeed he had other transistors in there...

So maybe he is using the Gunn diodes only for the production of of the hydrogen und uses other transistors just to rectify theRF energy from the Hydrogen foam he has produced inside the small Toy case, where he powers the 2 Fan motors ?

How is Zografos rectifying this kind of Hydrogen Foam into DC energy ??
Any Idea ?
Does he use Gunn diodes for it or does he have other rectifiers ??

Where is this Zografos Style Antenna from ? did you build it yourself ??
Many thanks.

Regards, STefan.

Here in this older video at minute 11:41 you can see some other rectifier transistors or diodes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWY8iDiCjUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWY8iDiCjUA)

There was no need for separate thread, i don't want to start a water engine thread of my own. I didn't "bomb" the thread. Those are water engines and this is a water engine thread, i shared them so people see how many water engines there are except Zografos, in the past and today. Vril is just another name for universal etheric currents (universal fluid) that make up everything, all forms of energy and 'matter'. There is nothing more important in time-space than vril, one substance, one force. Vril in its highest, original form can never be measured directly but only when resisted and slowed down into gravity/magnetism or some lower energy form. Vril is also units of vitality and lifeforce, one may call it electrons but those units are smaller than electrons. Mainstream knows nothing about these most important forms of energy. So what to you seems esoteric and not related to hydrogen production seems esoteric from a limited perspective only. And it is highly related to everything cause it is everything literally, including hydrogen production. Hydrogen and oxygen are elements essential for life and can be charged up with these finer forms of vital energies (http://www.villesresearch.com/ether.html#Vitality%20globules). Vitality globules, superfine orders of energy are flooding Earth from space, Reich called it orgone. Water and organic materials trap this energy, metals just pass it on. So question remains if just formed water after burning of hydrogen is charged with vril, can that water be split again right away and that hydrogen burned, or it needs to spend some time to get recharged by these subtle energy forms. I don't know of anyone who used the exhaust water as a fuel right away, just looping it. And that speaks a lot.

Once again Keely claimed 42,800 Hz would vaporize water instantly into energy.

Hollingshead claimed his odic (vril) ray dissocciated water into elements instantly.

And then this airship case....

The Democrat-Herald newspaper, of Albany, Oregon, for August 27, 1973, reportedly told that in 1906, a boy named Herbert DeMott, from Mitchell, South Dakota, allegedly boarded an airship that had landed near his family's well.

The boy claimed: "As I approached it, a door rolled back and I was welcomed inside. Its two occupants sat inside on camp stools." They looked like ordinary human beings and they spoke fluent English, but they would not tell him where they were from.

The boy claimed the outer shell of the craft was filled with helium gas, and "when the lever was moved the magnetism from the Earth was cut off. In this fashion the ship was able to ascend."

He claimed that the occupants took water from the farm's horse trough "for use in manufacturing electricity."

Scalar/non-herzian rays dissociate even solid matter, not to mention water.

Okay, Nix, then keep this in the other new opened topic.Here we wanna just discuss Zografos for now..
Thanks.Regards, Stefan.

I just found a higher resolution video of this small toy generator that drives 2 Fans in 720p resolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGjlaAllUIU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGjlaAllUIU)


there you can much better see these H bar hydrogen foam rectifiers...

No need, i already shared more than enough about these things (vril) recently and over the years. These things have been discussed here since early days, but nowdays no one seems even interested. I won't post anymore on water engine threads, i am not really interested in water engines anyway, in fact, i think they are primitive and should not be used. I just wanted to expand the awareness of how big the niche is. Continute to discuss Zografos only.

His first generator was pretty complicated inside, as you can see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syd6O9M-nrU

Here is again the small case 2 fans generator better seen in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_DmWEQf7_0

at around Minute 59 in the video.
It seems his H-bar bridge has in the center just a solder point, or maybe a gunn diode or PIN transistorto rectify the RF from the metallic hydrogen is sitting below the PCB and so is not seen ?

these 2 metallic electrodes which are puts in there could be Silver and Zink metal, which gives off a difference voltage of about 1 Volts,
which is probably enough to start these 2 oscillators sitting on the sides of the case to generate the hydrogen electrolysis...
How the question is only , how does he rectify this hydrogen foam into DC in this small unit ??

Here is the small toy 2 fans generator in 1080p resolution at minute 32 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJh2j-Skds

you can now even see much more...
The rectification process  into DC power  for the 2 fans is definately taking place insidethe plastic case...

It seems he has each electrode put in series..so the voltage is adding up...

On the stand for the 2 fans he just puts the croco cables  in parallel to drive the fans.There are no rectifiers on the Fans stand...


Regards, STefan.

Ok, there are generators on Gunn diodes and how is it powered?
Maybe it's just a kind of chemical battery with electrodes.

Gunn diodes are not for current rectification. I never knew. There are other microwave diodes for this.

R2fpl, What kind of rectifier diodes do you think he has at theseH-bar inserts  ?

Just uploaded the Home Power Generator Video,which I paid a translation service for , here now:

https://youtu.be/d8WmrCY7pCY

Please join my YouTube membership channel tohelp cover the costs for the translations. Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 01, 2023, 04:26:30 PM
R2fpl, What kind of rectifier diodes do you think he has at theseH-bar inserts  ?

I don't know what diodes are but I can't see how it is powered so that the electronics can work! That's why I say it's a chemical battery.
Maybe it uses RF to amplify the current flow, but the current is still from a chemical reaction.
Because how to explain the operation of an electronic device without a power source?

Example: when the Ni-Mh battery is cold 0 degrees the current does not flow much but when the temperature is 20 degrees the current flows well.

Perhaps that is what the Greek does. It increases the flow of current by RF action which heats the "water" or breaks it up so that the ions can flow more easily.
This is just my observation and opinion.

The energy source in this case is the galvanic cellof his Silver and Nickel electrode that gives off about 1 Volt, thatPowers the 2 side PCBs with the GHz oscillators..
These use probably very low current, so the galvanic cellis only consumed very slowly...But the main feature is the high conversion efficiency of the GhzElectrolysis to DC conversion in his H-bar rectifiers...
Hope this helps..
Regards, Stefan.

I'd also done this things for many years ago.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 01, 2023, 09:41:19 AM
So maybe he is using the Gunn diodes only for the production of of the hydrogen und uses other transistors just to rectify theRF energy from the Hydrogen foam he has produced inside the small Toy case, where he powers the 2 Fan motors ?

Gunn diodes are meaningless here.
A working Gunn diode is similar to an ordinary resistor with a resistance of 2 to 10 ohms. Only at a certain voltage and current  it  begin to generate microwaves.
Microwave generated by the Gunn diode, broadband, has a poor spectrum. It is necessary that the diode work inside the resonator, and an additional filter is needed after the resonator. Therefore, Gunn diodes are not used in modern communication equipment. For generators on transistors, the microwave parameters are better, the efficiency is higher. Gunn diodes require a powerful power source that is capable of producing at least 1 amp 3 volts to get some 0.05 watts of microwave.
Microwave rectification generated by a chemical reaction? This might be happening, but I don't know anything about it.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 01, 2023, 09:47:12 AM
Where is this Zografos Style Antenna from ? did you build it yourself ??

Yes, I made a similar antenna at about 22 GHz, because that's where one of the resonances of microwave absorption by water is located.
Antenna material is special PTFE.
Didn't have any success. No effects found. The diode inside the antenna heated up and burned out due to poor cooling.
This is variation of the so-called BowTie antenna. https://www.google.com/search?q=BowTie+antenna (https://www.google.com/search?q=BowTie+antenna)
This antenna can work to RX  and TX. At frequencies of 22 GHz, it can be used for communication between cell towers, where cable communication is not possible. It could be an industrial component that is inside a cell tower antenna:
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533458/#msg533458 (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533458/#msg533458)
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg522408/#msg522408 (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg522408/#msg522408)
What I find strange about this Zografos video with a toy model and a fan:
To the Bowtie antennas, to the metal surfaces themselves below, some metal boxes are attached (soldered?) From which foam comes out, probably from a chemical reaction. But these boxes are somehow senselessly attached, from the point of view of microwave technology. If you need to put the microwave in boxes, then you need to make their size larger than the size of the antenna. Integrate the antenna into the box.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 01, 2023, 04:26:30 PM
What kind of rectifier diodes do you think he has at theseH-bar inserts  ?

It depends on the frequency. Up to 3 GHz, zero-bias Schottky diode HSMS-2852 are often used in microwave energy harvesting topics.

https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=osu1348776239

(https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=osu1348776239At)At higher frequencies, microwave detector and mixing diodes can be used. But the rectified current will be very small, 1-10 milliamper 1 Volt .For sample:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125493339049 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/125493339049)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234909884530
(https://www.ebay.com/itm/234909884530)https://www.ebay.com/itm/261298468683
(https://www.ebay.com/itm/261298468683)

Quote from: kolbacict on June 02, 2023, 08:34:44 AM
I'd also done this things for many years ago.

Based on the size, is it for receiving television from Western satellites during the times of the "Iron Curtain" of the USSR? Or "anti-radar"?
Good job! ;D Functioned?

Yes. To check the radar detectors that people  give me   for repairs.
But then i noticed that radar-detector also it reacts to satellite TV head.
And was thrown into a distant box.

This new video could help a bit more, which  I just converted only into the English subtitling...
Please switch on the ENglish subtitles..

English Audio will come tommorow..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_QIQ3azOl4

Zografos says that he adds some colloids to the water. This video shows that he really adds something cloudy from the bottle to the water in the test tube. Is it really a colloid?
At the same time, he says, not quite legibly, 3 options:
Me colloids
Metacolloids
Metal colloids (about "metal" it is doubtful, and it is strange to add another metal colloid to a piece of metal)
https://youtu.be/KOLhzbZsAYA?t=65
What is this? Metacolloids - from the field of minerals. Rarely found word in Google. Nanotechnology, ground minerals, zeolites, etc.
In another video, he brought 4 jars of minerals (baby food type jars). In that video where a transparent device and a microscope.
No metal colloids, as everyone thought and shouted "colloidal silver."  No, that would be too easy.
Metacolloids from Zografos - some kind of minerals.

New video with real edited English Audio,
took me pretty long to make this now today and tonight..Enjoy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🍀🍀🍀❤️❤️❤️🤪🤪🤪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zakx2jSED84

The question I still have wherefor does he use the aquarium  air pump for ?
Is there air pumped through the system to build up some pressure or is that
already generated hydrogen that he pumps through the system ??
Any idea ?
I tried to enhance the video quality by upscaling to 1080pand correcting the Gamma , Brightness and contrast somemore and sharpened it a bit more, so we can see thethings there a bit better , which are built on his Glas plate...
Regards, Stefan.

Thank you. I have watched a similar video before as soon as it was posted. Then, long ago, I took the mention of Zografosomo metacolloids as confirmation of a certain direction.

These white pieces, which Zograf shows under a microscope, are very similar to zeolite. Doesn't look like a metal alloy. Translation alone is not enough, and Zografos reveals little of important information. Analysis and independent thinking are needed.

What if the translation "alloy of metals" is incorrect? Maybe it's in Greek means "a mixture of metals"? Metacolloid is a mixture of colloidal particles.

Zeolites are aluminum, silicon, oxygen and some alkali or transition metal. Total 4.

https://www.911metallurgist.com/zeolites/

QuoteApplicationsH2O → O2 + H2.[/font][/size]In another zeolite-water interaction, a two-step thermo-chemical cycle for the decomposition of water using strong ionizing property of zeolites has been reported. Zeolites will induce electron transfer reactions between molecules and reduce multivalent cations of adsorbed molecules. A reaction cycle using the Cr³+-Cr²+ couple in mordenite was devised. Upon dehydration of the Cr³+ mordenite, reduction to Cr²+ occurs, with the evolution of oxygen. Upon rehydration, the divalent chromium oxidizes to Cr³+ with the evolution of hydrogen. Similar results were obtained with an In³+ exchanged mordenite. The zeolite used was a hydrogen form of synthetic mordenite.[/font][/size]

But 4 Zographos minerals can also mean something else, for example, a mixture or saturation of minerals with another substance.
A huge number of combinations determine the properties of zeolites, both natural and synthetic. Synthetic zeolites are produced by forming spheres from grown microcrystals. An individual microcrystal is a cluster of millions of nanoscale cellular structures with tunnels.

I suppose that these microcrystals are shown by Zografos in a microscope. In order to see nanostructures, high vacuum and an electron microscope are needed.

It is clear that this is all difficult and impossible for an engineer like Zografos. So his invention is based on some third-party research.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 04, 2023, 07:41:20 AM
The question I still have wherefor does he use the aquarium  air pump for ?
Is there air pumped through the system to build up some pressure or is that
already generated hydrogen that he pumps through the system ??
Any idea ?
I tried to enhance the video quality by upscaling to 1080pand correcting the Gamma , Brightness and contrast somemore and sharpened it a bit more, so we can see thethings there a bit better , which are built on his Glas plate...
Regards, Stefan.

It looks like an air pump for an aquarium.
He also talks about some silicone. It is visible in every device as red silicone.

By video.
1. Zografos most likely receives a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen.
How to separate a mixture of gases? Hydrogen is much lighter than oxygen, if you fill a vertical tube with the mixture,
hydrogen will probably accumulate at the top.
The oxygen is probably passed through the water and pump 1, then through the filter to be purified, but from what?

2. According to my experiments, zeolite powder is very volatile. It quickly clogs all pipes and valves, if you do not put good filters.
Silicone tubes become white and opaque due to zeolite powder.

R2fpl and Sergh,

https://forum-zougla-gr.translate.goog/topic/509-%CE%B7%CE%BB%CE%B5%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE-%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%B3%CE%AD%CE%B8%CF%85%CE%BD%CF%83%CE%B7/?_x_tr_sl=el&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

Quote
As  the radiation approaches the critical point of decay, the more conductive the water environment becomes, as we understand that we are approaching the resonance point F. A
...
For water we can talk about stages of superconductivity in some phases of the process.

Many thanks for the Greek forum which I did not yet know..
There he also writes about heterodyn oscillators and side Band frequencies
generation with his oscillators..
So I wonder if he also had it in this small toy box with these side oscillators at the outside wall of this plastic box...?? Did he use there also different frequencies so he could split the water more effectivly with his sum and difference frequencies ??
Normally for just one frequency , one pcb board at one wall should be sufficient...So he is probably also using 2 frequencies there, because he uses 2 oscillator pcbs..
Regards, Stefan.

Also are you sure he is using a Nafion fuel cell to produce the output power? because George Schoell said he uses Gunn Diodes but maybe he-mixed that also up and Zografos used them only  for the input gigahertz frequencies, he uses to split the water via the caralyst...hmm..

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 05, 2023, 10:13:40 AM
So I wonder if he also had it in this small toy box with these side oscillators at the outside wall of this plastic box...?? Did he use there also different frequencies so he could split the water more effectivly with his sum and difference frequencies ??
Normally for just one frequency , one pcb board at one wall should be sufficient...So he is probably also using 2 frequencies there, because he uses 2 oscillator pcbs..
Regards, Stefan.

Yes, it can be. There are industrial broadband generators in which the frequency is obtained as the difference between the frequencies of two generators. For example, the case when it is necessary to synthesize low frequencies with the possibility of electronic tuning. Old analog generators.

Zografos wrote or said somewhere that he uses an ordinary frequency synthesizer that generates a relatively low frequency, then multiplies the frequency and forms a phase shift.

Where did it all begin? He claimed that he forms two microwave frequencies, shifted in phase one relative to the other by a certain "magic angle" characteristic of a water molecule. And the water molecules begin to rotate from this and fall apart into hydrogen and oxygen.
300 GHz. Doubtful. I don't see his equipment for such frequencies.
Then some metal was needed, then a certain metal alloy + metacolloid became needed, then it turned out that this metal alloy was made up of 4 components, some minerals. And this "alloy of metals" of Zografos is not at all like an alloy of metals.

And in the last video with transparent components, somehow they completely forgot about the microwave. Why? Or is it still there?
Some kind of independent source based on a klystron, a generator on Gunn diodes or IMPATT diodes (more efficient).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn_diode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPATT_diode

Or Zografos suggests that in his process of decomposition of water with metacolloids (mixtures of colloids of different minerals) there must be some very high frequency, but this is his theoretical assumption.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 05, 2023, 10:21:47 AM
Also are you sure he is using a Nafion fuel cell to produce the output power?

Zografos shows that hydrogen is released in the installation in the form of gas bubbles.
How to make electricity from hydrogen? What are the ways?
One way is with a membrane and a catalyst.
I'm not sure what exactly in that big block, with Plexiglas ends held together with long bolts. But the design is very similar to a battery of membrane fuel cells.

Quote from: Sergh on June 05, 2023, 03:03:52 PM
Yes, it can be. There are industrial broadband generators in which the frequency is obtained as the difference between the frequencies of two generators. For example, the case when it is necessary to synthesize low frequencies with the possibility of electronic tuning. Old analog generators.

Zografos wrote or said somewhere that he uses an ordinary frequency synthesizer that generates a relatively low frequency, then multiplies the frequency and forms a phase shift.

Where did it all begin? He claimed that he forms two microwave frequencies, shifted in phase one relative to the other by a certain "magic angle" characteristic of a water molecule. And the water molecules begin to rotate from this and fall apart into hydrogen and oxygen.
300 GHz. Doubtful. I don't see his equipment for such frequencies.
Then some metal was needed, then a certain metal alloy + metacolloid became needed, then it turned out that this metal alloy was made up of 4 components, some minerals. And this "alloy of metals" of Zografos is not at all like an alloy of metals.

And in the last video with transparent components, somehow they completely forgot about the microwave. Why? Or is it still there?
Some kind of independent source based on a klystron, a generator on Gunn diodes or IMPATT diodes (more efficient).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn_diode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPATT_diode

Or Zografos suggests that in his process of decomposition of water with metacolloids (mixtures of colloids of different minerals) there must be some very high frequency, but this is his theoretical assumption.Zografos shows that hydrogen is released in the installation in the form of gas bubbles.
How to make electricity from hydrogen? What are the ways?
One way is with a membrane and a catalyst.
I'm not sure what exactly in that big block, with Plexiglas ends held together with long bolts. But the design is very similar to a battery of membrane fuel cells.

The surface of the hydrogen exchanger is appropriate to the amount of current at the output, so it's quite possible that this is a normal process as we know it from hydrogen fuel cells.
What is important is the production of hydrogen.
Doing two frequencies and shifting them in phase and working at high frequencies in general corresponds to the NMR spin function of the hydrogen nucleus.
If this is true, there are more devices that are very similar to NMR: Meyer, Colman, Steven Mark and even Kapanadze.
The most important thing is to choose the frequency and strength of the magnetic field because these are the key operating parameters for NMR.
Anyone who knows how NMR works also knows that these values are arbitrary but very closely related to each other.

NMR is useless for producing hydrogen.

In medicine, high-power NMR, the resonance of hydrogen atoms is used, and not a single patient has yet been torn apart by a lot of gas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging)

In general, resonance is a dead end. Resonance can only do something third, and it is impossible to get energy only due to resonance.
Dissociated water, water with broken bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, has exactly the same amount of energy as was spent on this breaking of bonds.
Nothing extra appears.
This is probably why Zografos is talking about metacolloids, nanotechnologies and "alloy of metals from 4 minerals." :)

NMR - maybe you're right that it's not that technology. It just matches what we see.
Zografos makes demonstrations instead of implementing it in the industry. There's something disturbing here.

Quote from: Sergh on June 06, 2023, 02:49:37 AM
  and not a single patient has yet been torn apart by a lot of gas.

Does the so-called spontaneous human combustion happen ? Or it's брехня? :)

They say there was such a case in Minsk, and there are living witnesses.
https://www.fern-flower.org/ru/facts/fact-1569851687 (https://www.fern-flower.org/ru/facts/fact-1569851687)

Quote from: kolbacict on June 06, 2023, 06:11:49 AM
Does the so-called spontaneous human combustion happen ?

But there aren't any NMR machines around. And in general, when searching by the names of the participants, nothing is found except for a couple of dubious sites.
ChatGPT:

QuoteThis article is on the FernFlower Group website and contains a description of an unexplained fact provided by a witness or published in the media.
It is not confirmed by any official sources and cannot be used as evidence.

However, you can ask nix85, but in another topic.

Yes, please keep this topic straight ontopic and not offtopic with no mysterious stuff about "burning humans"...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I have to read more on hellagen.gr with a translator to see the latest posts from Zografos there,he also has something there about fuel cells...
Maybe he is really a stack of a fuelcell in his 20 LED Lights Demonstation..
For what do you think he uses these Thermostats ?

Do you think the water is getting hot in there ? At least he has a fan also blowing onto his copper spiral pipes, so I guessthe thermostats are to switch off the current if it is getting all too hot ??
Regards, STefan.

Here is something about Fuel Cells on his websites:

https://www-hellagen-gr.translate.goog/epistimoniki-dikaiosi/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
And here is something from this page especially for Wesley ( user Stivep ), who always says, that Carnot can not be broken and no OU is possible  ::) ::) :P :

And this is because in Greece, as early as 2016,  Petros Zografos  clearly referred to the possibilities of bypassing the second law of thermodynamics and non-application of the Carnot theorem, while he also published a related analysis-study entitled "Bypassing the Carnot restrictive provision of the 2nd law of thermodynamics" in the journal  Physic News  (issue 24, September 2018, pp. 32-37), published by the Union of Hellenic Physicists (E.E.F.).
Petros Zografou's scientific findings on the possibilities of circumventing Carnot's theorem, the second law of thermodynamics, which formed the theoretical basis of the great invention, were met by some representatives of the "holding" academic and scientific community with contempt and discredit, since neither more nor less it was considered that the second law of thermodynamics is always applied, forgetting of course what was said by Heraclitus "everything says and nothing remains"...
The bright exceptions of independent scientists but also of the Union of Greek Physicists, which was the first to accept the scientific documentation of Petros Zografou, were not enough to push young scientists in particular to corresponding research for the benefit of science and innovation, but also of Greek society in general. since our country could take the lead in applied scientific research for the production of hydrogen and consequent electricity.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 06, 2023, 05:43:39 PM
For what do you think he uses these Thermostats ?
Do you think the water is getting hot in there ? At least he has a fan also blowing onto his copper spiral pipes, so I guessthe thermostats are to switch off the current if it is getting all too hot ??

About "copper spiral pipes":
https://c8.alamy.com/compde/hrnrp3/destillation-mit-einem-metallischen-noch-1892-hrnrp3.jpg (https://c8.alamy.com/compde/hrnrp3/destillation-mit-einem-metallischen-noch-1892-hrnrp3.jpg)
but:
https://www.advocard.de/streitlotse/internet-und-konsum/schnaps-selber-brennen-regelungen-ab-2018/ (https://www.advocard.de/streitlotse/internet-und-konsum/schnaps-selber-brennen-regelungen-ab-2018/)

I also don't quite understand what is so hot there, but copper coils, as for moonshine, are often found in Zografos installations.
Presumably, the upper thermostat turns on the copper spiral fan when the temperature exceeds the set one.
If you think deductively, why did Zografos get the idea to install such coolers, similar to the coolers of the moonshine still? Probably because this cooler of his performs a similar function, the cooler condenses the steam.
Probably the gases after the reaction are wet, and he needs to separate the gases from the water vapor.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 06, 2023, 05:52:18 PM
And this is because in Greece, as early as 2016,  Petros Zografos  clearly referred to the possibilities of bypassing the second law of thermodynamics and non-application of the Carnot theorem, while he also published a related analysis-study entitled "Bypassing the Carnot restrictive provision of the 2nd law of thermodynamics" in the journal  Physic News  (issue 24, September 2018, pp. 32-37), published by the Union of Hellenic Physicists (E.E.F.).
Petros Zografou's scientific findings on the possibilities of circumventing Carnot's theorem, the second law of thermodynamics, which formed the theoretical basis of the great invention, were met by some representatives of the "holding" academic and scientific community with contempt and discredit, since neither more nor less it was considered that the second law of thermodynamics is always applied, forgetting of course what was said by Heraclitus "everything says and nothing remains"...
The bright exceptions of independent scientists but also of the Union of Greek Physicists, which was the first to accept the scientific documentation of Petros Zografou, were not enough to push young scientists in particular to corresponding research for the benefit of science and innovation, but also of Greek society in general. since our country could take the lead in applied scientific research for the production of hydrogen and consequent electricity.

Stefan, we don't know what this is about.
  Zografos is not a scientist. He can say and write anything, but does he have the fundamental knowledge of everything to assert the truth of his ideas? It takes more than Einstein to defeat the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Carnot cycle.
What is this, the invincible 2nd law and the Carnot cycle in general?
In a primitive sense, according to these laws, it is by no means possible to create, for example, a heat pump that could at least work without supplying any energy from outside. For example, it is impossible to make your refrigerator work only on the energy of the heat pumped out by it from the internal chambers. He definitely needs electricity from the outlet.

In a global sense, this is the concept of the inevitable increase in entropy in our Universe. Every process in the universe occurs with the dissipation of energy from a denser state to a less dense one. No one has ever observed the reverse process, in the end it all comes down to dispersion and chaos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw)

But where does energy come from in our world? Where did some ordering and separation come from, in the first place? "Big Bang"? Was he? If not, then what?
Let's assume that before the times that are supposed to be the beginning of our Universe, "time in space did not flow".
But time is a fundamental parameter of our world, our space cannot exist without time. Probably both space in its current form and solid matter did not exist then. Until something happened. But what?
The problem is that we cannot think in terms that go beyond the stereotypes of our space and time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Unv1xT1FM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Unv1xT1FM)

Dear participants of the topic!
Take a constructive part in the discussion!
Do not overestimate my abilities and do not underestimate yours!  :)

here is intelligent woman ! :o

Please post only in English language over here.
If you don't speak English, use Google translator or Deeple translator
before posting. Thanks.

kolbacict:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatyana_Afanasyeva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatyana_Afanasyeva)
Her Mathematics looks somehow incomprehensible. Well, I'm not much of an expert on this.
Afanasyeva mixed abstract concepts and the real world. And more emotions, ambitions.  :-\
Max Planck: 2+2=4
Afanasyeva: No, this is a mistake, it must be 5. because I really want to. Therefore, let's take one variable from the abstract world, and the other from the real.

In mathematical simulators, perpetuum mobiles work:
https://overunity.com/9174/leveraged-pendulum-perpetuum-mobile-simulation-works/ (https://overunity.com/9174/leveraged-pendulum-perpetuum-mobile-simulation-works/)

Black Hole Thermodynamics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYD-YfuM-uo

It's a pity that video not english.  I like it.
I do not knew Afanasyeva earlier,I have seen her in  that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaaZBuYOlc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaaZBuYOlc)

p.s.
No power lines at all.  :)

Quote from: kolbacict on June 07, 2023, 11:50:16 AM
No power lines at all.  :)

Answered there:
https://overunity.com/19453/ufos-as-the-nazi-legacy/msg578710/#msg578710

Please keep this topic ontopic to discuss the Zografos inventions.
Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)

Strange parts in the Zografos device.
I can't classify them exactly. Although by the appearance of these parts it can be assumed that they are not homemade, but industrially manufactured
Help needed!

Who can identify these parts?

1. A black object with 2 thin silicone pipes entering from above. On the left pipe there is a non-return valve for the aquarium. At the bottom of the object you can see what looks like an adjusting bolt. But it is not exactly. I assumed it object as the pump. But not sure. Can anyone identify this object?

2. An object in front of a small fan. Something needs cooling. Visually it looks like a reel, in which 2 tubes enter from the end. The color of one of the pipes is yellowish.

3. The cone-shaped metal part on the jar is probably something from gas equipment. I saw something similar for gas, but I don't know the name and functionality.
Under it is a transparent container with liquid, it seems.
A dark gray-yellow cylinder with a lid is attached to this container. 2 wires are connected to it, which go to radio components, like a transistor and a capacitor or inductor. Doesn't look like a power circuit.

Quote from: Sergh on June 02, 2023, 10:07:12 AM

Yes, I made a similar antenna at about 22 GHz, because that's where one of the resonances of microwave absorption by water is located.

There you are. :)

Did they themselves come up with the idea that the frequency ranges of radio transparency are related to resonance?
In general, the resonance is usually determined by the maximum absorption of microwave energy.

So what about these frames from the Zografos video? Did no one recognize the type of devices used by Petros Zografos?  :(
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg578740/#msg578740 (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg578740/#msg578740)

The devices look like factory-made.