Hi, I saw a clip that Laser Saber did some time ago, and i was just on their website and downloaded some of their pdfs that described their power collection systems.
They use Graphite and Graphene for their collectors that they send high up in the air with lite and balloons.
https://ionpowergroup.com
https://ionpowergroup.com/patents/
Have anyone heard about this company or their technique for atmospheric energy collection?
I have made, like many of you, Teslas radiant energy circuit with varying results.
It seems as the antenna is as important as the collection circuit.
What do you think?
Amazing. I tried to graphite a piece of paper (2"x4") with a regular pencil yesterday and tried it just now.
I got 10 volt out of it right away.
I did not belive my eyes.
Yes, I have personally measured about 300V positive with respect to earth with a well insulated special antenna of my design just 4m above ground on a nice clear day. Balloons tens of meters above ground would have access to thousands of volts. Graphite spray or Aquadag on balloons is good enough, no need for space age graphene.
If Graphite gives this good a reading how much beter would Graphene be? Have you tried it?
Did you mean spraying a Graphite and water solution, or what did you mean?
I have been thinking about how to coat aluminium foil with graphite powder.
Any ideas?
I have not used balloons. The graphite spray is a mold release agent. Aquadag is a special suspension of graphite in water. I doubt the increased area of graphene has any great advance in this application but I could be wrong.
I remember a YT video 10 years ago in which an experimenter had blackened a SS electrode tube with a butane torch, basically covering it with a coat of carbon. He claimed that it was exhibiting qualities of negative resistance, and he attributed it to the carbon coating. Can't remember his name or whether it's still online now.
Bob
Graphite is used to make balloon surface conduct.
I finally had time to look at most of their vids and Its probably the most genuine 'Sort of Tesla style' company I've seen on the net. Real science, real results. It can't compete with solar energy but will produce power at night. Rain will screw it up though. Great fun for experimenters to try on a small scale as I have been doing.
Quote from: pomodoro on May 29, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
I finally had time to look at most of their vids and Its probably the most genuine 'Sort of Tesla style' company I've seen on the net. Real science, real results. It can't compete with solar energy but will produce power at night. Rain will screw it up though. Great fun for experimenters to try on a small scale as I have been doing.
Yeah, right. Different from any other company that i´ve ever seen. Thats what i found interesting. :)
Anyway, i tried to make an antenna by filling a regular paper on both sides with a pencil (graphite) real thick.
I am going to buy a can of graphite spray and try to apply onto other materials and use for antennas.
So, with this paper antenna i was really happy to see that the caps charged up really really fast, compared to what i have had with my other antennas. And also they charge up to over 250 vdc.
I hooked up a oscilloscope probe onto the antenna lead on the circuit, and i noticed that the capacitors in the circuit charged up about 2-3x faster then without it, and when i discharge the caps i get a real big spark and bang. About 5-10 minutes between each discharge.
The probe unconnected ofcourse.
I was thinking that i wanted to scale it up so i am testing a bunch of different variations that i can come to think of.
Ion power group use their collected energy for lighting flourecent tubes, and making HHO gas so i was thinking about trying this also to see what limitations there is, and what i can accomplish with what materials i have available.
Do you have any ideas, Pomodoro? :)
You are doing exceptionally well, and you have only just started. There is about 100V per meter above ground, so 1000V is within reach. Be careful and don't get electrocuted. At the speed you're going you should be able to power LEDs soon. May the force of graphite be with you.
Quote from: pomodoro on June 01, 2017, 06:47:24 AM
You are doing exceptionally well, and you have only just started. There is about 100V per meter above ground, so 1000V is within reach. Be careful and don't get electrocuted. At the speed you're going you should be able to power LEDs soon. May the force of graphite be with you.
Yeah, i was glad to start out with such a bang and that made me want to explore this even more. My antenna is at about 4-5 meters height, indoors. So the next step i thought was to get the antenna up higher.
I don´t have a drone, or access to a balloon, so i was thinking that i would try to use a kite, but i will have to make the antenna as light as possible, so it will be able to take off, and stay up.
I have started to read Hermann Plausons patent again, and i am thinking about how i can combine these things that i have learned about graphite, with Plausons circuits.
I made some conductive graphite plastic that i smashed out and that i have used as an antenna for a couple of days now, and that works very well i just try to scale up it a little bit i think. I am working on it.
I made two lengths of coaxial cable antenna a few years ago that i was thinking about trying to pick up and get going with.
When i first made it, i got a reading from the antenna, but it didn´t function as well as i wanted it to, so i stuffed it away.
Have you tried the coax antenna?
I have to end it here becouse the kids are harassing me. :)
Thanks mate
I'm working with another two chaps so I can't tell all, but our best achievement was to reduce the antenna area from one square meter to less than one square cm and yet produce over 20x the power at the same 4m height. That's a gain of at least 200,000 based on area.
I'm not going for height because balloons etc are only good for experiments not for practical applications. At 4m about 400V is the limit you can get during fine weather, I'm not sure what will happen during stormy weather.
I have not used coax as I'm not sure how it could be used in my setup.
A kite would be ideal for your experiments. Simply spray with graphite and use a thin copper wire loosely wrapped around the cotton string to send the power down to a HV cap of a few uF. The other end of the cap needs grounding. Don't joke around though, touching the copper wire after charging the cap could stop your heart. Get someone to measure the cap voltage with a 100M probe every now and then.
I found balloons of small size useless as they can't lift much wire and are very fiddly even in small wind situations.
Good luck experimenting.
IMHO it may be beneficial to cover the surface with a sharp pins, even better to dope the tips
in some kind of a radio active material, similar to a welding rods.
I have absolutely no idea how they got this patent on something which was described numerous times in the past.
Does novelty no longer appliy?
Quote from: pomodoro on June 03, 2017, 08:21:25 PM
I'm working with another two chaps so I can't tell all, but our best achievement was to reduce the antenna area from one square meter to less than one square cm and yet produce over 20x the power at the same 4m height. That's a gain of at least 200,000 based on area.
I'm not going for height because balloons etc are only good for experiments not for practical applications. At 4m about 400V is the limit you can get during fine weather, I'm not sure what will happen during stormy weather.
I have not used coax as I'm not sure how it could be used in my setup.
A kite would be ideal for your experiments. Simply spray with graphite and use a thin copper wire loosely wrapped around the cotton string to send the power down to a HV cap of a few uF. The other end of the cap needs grounding. Don't joke around though, touching the copper wire after charging the cap could stop your heart. Get someone to measure the cap voltage with a 100M probe every now and then.
I found balloons of small size useless as they can't lift much wire and are very fiddly even in small wind situations.
Good luck experimenting.
I have also found that the smaller the paper used for the antenna, it seems like the better performance. I first made one that was about 1" x 4" that i was blown away by, and then i tried to make a few larger ones that didn´t perform nearly as well.
I haven´t tried one as small as your smallest one, but i will surely do it soon.
I haven´t gotten the coax to function as an antenna yet, so i will put it away again.
Yeah, i haven´t actually tried the kite yet, but i don´t think it will be a problem getting something out of it, but i am thinking about how to do it in the best possible way, and the safest.
Thanks for your help mate. :)
_______
Quote from: telecom on June 05, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
IMHO it may be beneficial to cover the surface with a sharp pins, even better to dope the tips
in some kind of a radio active material, similar to a welding rods.
Yeah, i have read about that, but i am not sure where i would get the Radium from, or if i would feel safe working with that stuff in my garage. :)
As a simplest ready available solution, to use thoriated rods
like there
http://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/health-and-safety-faqs/faq-the-use-of-thoriated-tungsten-electrodes/
Quote from: telecom on June 06, 2017, 12:30:53 PM
As a simplest ready available solution, to use thoriated rods
like there
http://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/health-and-safety-faqs/faq-the-use-of-thoriated-tungsten-electrodes/
Interesting idea there. I will try to get my hands on some. :)
You mean for using as an antenna right?
No in your antenna you need to make an array of sharp thin spikes or pins from this material.
Quote from: telecom on June 07, 2017, 12:49:07 PM
No in your antenna you need to make an array of sharp thin spikes or pins from this material.
What did you have in mind? Thanks for taking your time
something like that
There was a book by Bruce Perreault, at the end there was a patent by Poulson which describes the above method of
getting power from ions.
This is why I'm so surprised that another patent was granted recently to someone else.
Where is the novelty?
Yep, truly ridiculous how a patent was granted, aside from using graphene, nothing else is new. But, hey, they have something that works, unlike the plethora of granted OU patents that simply dont work.
Did you see that cool racing car shown in some of their patents sure reeks of Nikola Tesla's electric car that was powered only by atmospheric electricity doesnt it? ;)
Quote from: telecom on June 07, 2017, 01:36:21 PM
There was a book by Bruce Perreault, at the end there was a patent by Poulson which describes the above method of
getting power from ions.
This is why I'm so surprised that another patent was granted recently to someone else.
Where is the novelty?
Yeah, i was thinking Plauson too. You May have something there, but the points should be smaller and sharper then the rods are.
I think i read that Plauson made his small needles from Zinc amalgam thought some electrolysis process. Are you thinking the about doing the same with the Thoriated coat ing?
Yes something like that, you are correct about the needles.
You will probably need to machine the rods in a lathe.
I think the idea is to create a multitude of the paths for the ions to reach the antenna.
In his patent he applied radium towards the tips of the needles.
Quote from: telecom on June 08, 2017, 02:13:41 PM
Yes something like that, you are correct about the needles.
You will probably need to machine the rods in a lathe.
I think the idea is to create a multitude of the paths for the ions to reach the antenna.
In his patent he applied radium towards the tips of the needles.
I sounds very interesting. I am going to pick some rods up sometime when i have the money for it and check if there is something there.
Invest your money in a kite, and use your imagination to make a collector. Look at their vid
https://youtu.be/SuHBJWdgz9Y
Quote from: pomodoro on June 12, 2017, 04:10:36 AM
Invest your money in a kite, and use your imagination to make a collector. Look at their vid
https://youtu.be/SuHBJWdgz9Y
Yeah, I thought i would. My daughter has a small Minnie Mouse kite that we have tried out but i am not sure that it will lift that much weight.
I havent tried it yet, but it is probably so that i will need a larger kite. :)
Would balloons with HHO gas do? I thought of this yesterday, but I dont know.
Minnie is getting tougher these days, so don't underestimate that cute mouse!
The voltage up there is very high but the current is piss weak. That's where their patented collector comes into play. As I mentioned, I cant give away any secrets on how to get massive currents, but here are some no BS tips that my colleagues allow me to give you.
When you start out, use a small capacitor , say 0.01uF rated at 8Kv or more. You then attach some sort of quality spark gap between the cap terminals as a visual aid, perhaps a 2-5kV one. One end of the cap is grounded, the other goes to a fine copper wire slightly wrapped around the cotton string that goes up to Minnie. The copper wire goes all the way up to Minnie and is connected to your ion collector. Your hands must be well isolated with rubber gloves etc because any leaks through your body will not allow the cap to charge.
Dont touch the copper wire and don't touch the cotton string either. Use a good plastic reel that insulates your hand from the string . If all goes well you will see sparks. Dont use diodes as yet and don't try to measure the voltage with your multimeter. Go as high as possible with Minnie.
Work hard in the workshop on the detector ,to get charge on the cap, dont use diodes at this point unless you want to collect radio signals or power line radiation.
Most importantly, .....
Dont be tempted to spray Minnie with graphite, unless you want an Angry Mickey on steroids at your door.
Quote from: antimony on June 13, 2017, 07:30:53 AM
Yeah, I thought i would. My daughter has a small Minnie Mouse kite that we have tried out but i am not sure that it will lift that much weight.
I havent tried it yet, but it is probably so that i will need a larger kite. :)
Would balloons with HHO gas do? I thought of this yesterday, but I dont know.
That will work, i remember it has come along a few times in the last century, even a patent ..
I will look
Edit: Found the picture i was thinking of.
I added a picture and a link to some more info:
[size=78%]http://www.nuenergy.org/power-from-the-air-follow-up/ (http://www.nuenergy.org/power-from-the-air-follow-up/)[/size]
I was thinking that a balloon can stays up for longer periods of time.
Are Helium expensive or could HHO be a good choice as long as it stays clear of any open flame or spark?
I hooked up a gas discharge tube that fire each time the caps have charged up to around 100 volts, and it disccharges into another capacitor.
I am going to try this with some other caps, and loads so see what is possible.
I just want it to fire more foten, so either i have to have it at higher altitude, or get a gdt that fires at lower voltages.
I love that picTure btw
Quote from: antimony on June 14, 2017, 04:26:36 AM
I love that picTure btw
Here are some examples with pictures ( In German)
https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiEv_yS97zUAhVJb1AKHYSmCUwQFghBMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.de%2F1441%2F5xou-mit-bruce-a-perrault-radiant-energy-receiver%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F8653%2F&usg=AFQjCNEKTVju1lkaRN3ZCKG-eNJ-_QxdAQ&sig2=f315UcFgw65VyryRMYgZ6g (https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiEv_yS97zUAhVJb1AKHYSmCUwQFghBMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.de%2F1441%2F5xou-mit-bruce-a-perrault-radiant-energy-receiver%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F8653%2F&usg=AFQjCNEKTVju1lkaRN3ZCKG-eNJ-_QxdAQ&sig2=f315UcFgw65VyryRMYgZ6g)
Here is the whole PDF unfortunately without pictures ( In German )
http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/117610990-Plauson.pdf
Quote from: pomodoro on June 14, 2017, 01:07:59 AM
Minnie is getting tougher these days, so don't underestimate that cute mouse!
The voltage up there is very high but the current is piss weak. That's where their patented collector comes into play. As I mentioned, I cant give away any secrets on how to get massive currents, but here are some no BS tips that my colleagues allow me to give you.
When you start out, use a small capacitor , say 0.01uF rated at 8Kv or more. You then attach some sort of quality spark gap between the cap terminals as a visual aid, perhaps a 2-5kV one. One end of the cap is grounded, the other goes to a fine copper wire slightly wrapped around the cotton string that goes up to Minnie. The copper wire goes all the way up to Minnie and is connected to your ion collector. Your hands must be well isolated with rubber gloves etc because any leaks through your body will not allow the cap to charge.
Dont touch the copper wire and don't touch the cotton string either. Use a good plastic reel that insulates your hand from the string . If all goes well you will see sparks. Dont use diodes as yet and don't try to measure the voltage with your multimeter. Go as high as possible with Minnie.
Work hard in the workshop on the detector ,to get charge on the cap, dont use diodes at this point unless you want to collect radio signals or power line radiation.
Most importantly, .....
Dont be tempted to spray Minnie with graphite, unless you want an Angry Mickey on steroids at your door.
I didnt see your post intill now. I think I will try this out this weekend Pomodoro.
Oh, no i would not want Mickey at my door. My wife would get mad as hell when she Finds out that i sprayed Minnie.
Can i get Neon bulbs to fire at lower voltages by putting them in parallel? I guess not but i wanted to ask anyway. :)
(Ion)Wind Converter
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880218&CC=DE&NR=3627532A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880218&CC=DE&NR=3627532A1&KC=A1#)
And Cherryman, reply 30 related: Otto Traun/Plauson worked also in optimizing the Tesla electric motor performance .
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=39&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157262A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=39&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157262A&KC=A#)
some others used this reference:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104492A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104492A&KC=A#)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104491A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104491A&KC=A#)
technical result: a(n) 18000 RPM motor (so there would be the need for a gear for conventional use )
Quote from: antimony on June 17, 2017, 07:15:52 AM
Can i get Neon bulbs to fire at lower voltages by putting them in parallel? I guess not but i wanted to ask anyway. :)
Of course not.
But a neon is a better idea instead of spark gap as the Minnie generator is your first attempt. The sub 100V discharge is a good indicator. Just remember to use low leakage caps, no electrolytics, the lower the farads the better, so long as you can see the glow discharge during the day!
Quote from: telecom on June 06, 2017, 12:30:53 PM
As a simplest ready available solution, to use thoriated rods
like there
http://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/health-and-safety-faqs/faq-the-use-of-thoriated-tungsten-electrodes/ (http://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/health-and-safety-faqs/faq-the-use-of-thoriated-tungsten-electrodes/)
I have tried this many years ago, but with NO success.
A word of caution: the pointed spikes in the Plauson build are, essentially, Franklin lightning rods. The reason the Franklin lightning rod works is that the point ionizes the air around the point which provides a better path to ground than normal air. So you will be attracting lightning if it is overhead. That's probably why the Plauson work never went anywhere.
The Plauson method and Tesla's method work very differently. The Tesla device collects the charge of charged particles from cosmic rays penetrating the atmosphere. The insulation on the polished, elevated plate serves 2 purposes. The first is that it covers any points that ionize the air and attract lightning. The second is that it is a dielectric material and serves to separate the charges and protect the the charge collected by the plate from neutralizing with opposite charges in the air around it. So the insulation should have as high a dielectric constant as possible. All connections and conductors between the elevated plate and your device need to be insulated for the same reason. The same goes for all connections and conductors between your device and your ground rod/plate connection. I found that insulating the top 3 feet of the ground rod or wire going to the plate in the soil also helps because the charged particles will also penetrate the ground to that depth.
The reason Tesla says in his patent to use a "highly polished or amalgamated plate" is so the dielectric insulation will make the best contact possible and therefore attain the best charge transfer.
In metallurgy, amalgamated means mixed with mercury. Mercury has some interesting properties in regard to Tesla's work. Vacuum tubes were developed at one time to use a pool of mercury to conduct high voltage, high current electricity in only one direction - a vacuum diode, if you will - that could handle 30kW of DC power. Tesla also used mercury in many of his circuit controllers for the same reason. Search "mercury arc rectifiers" for more info.[/font]
If I remember correctly, John Bedini said to use thoriated tungsten welding rods for the cores of the coils in the SSG.
There were at one time vacuum tubes produced that used a radioactive material. I think it was RCA who produced them for use in high power radio transmitters. There might still be a few around but they would cost an arm and a leg I imagine.
Page 13 of the following PDF document shows, essentially, a Tesla radiant energy collector using strontium rather than cosmic rays.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanchar/res/BlanchardKorea.pdf (http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanchar/res/BlanchardKorea.pdf)[/url]
[/font]You can buy thorium on eBay I think. And the following site has radioactive materials and handling equipment: http://www.unitednuclear.com/ (http://www.unitednuclear.com/)
More info in the attachment.
Quote from: pomodoro on June 17, 2017, 08:47:36 PM
Of course not.
But a neon is a better idea instead of spark gap as the Minnie generator is your first attempt. The sub 100V discharge is a good indicator. Just remember to use low leakage caps, no electrolytics, the lower the farads the better, so long as you can see the glow discharge during the day!
I am using a microwave oven cap right now, one that i have opened up and taken out of the case and removed the resistor, and one thats untouched.
The one thats opened i have put it two zip lock bags, with oil in them, and then taped up with electrical tape to insulate it, but it is still leaking very much.
What is the best way to insulate a leaking diy capacitor?
I was thinking that i was going to put the 1uF/2500v cap and put it in a container and pour in some candle wax and let it cool.
Should i use maybe AC caps instead, like WIMA´s or something like that? I haven´t had the time lately to try anything new, but this i should try to see if
Quote from: lancaIV on June 17, 2017, 07:26:30 AM
(Ion)Wind Converter
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880218&CC=DE&NR=3627532A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880218&CC=DE&NR=3627532A1&KC=A1#)
And Cherryman, reply 30 related: Otto Traun/Plauson worked also in optimizing the Tesla electric motor performance .
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=39&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157262A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=39&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157262A&KC=A#)
some others used this reference:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104492A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104492A&KC=A#)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104491A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104491A&KC=A#)
technical result: a(n) 18000 RPM motor (so there would be the need for a gear for conventional use )
Cool, i will check these out right away. :) Thanks.
Quote from: blueplanet on June 18, 2017, 07:01:49 AM
I have tried this many years ago, but with NO success.
Did you report on this? It sounds like something that i would be willing to try, becouse there are so much talk about that radioactive materials have been used by Moray, Hubbard among others.
Quote from: thx1138 on June 20, 2017, 08:25:19 PM
The Plauson method and Tesla's method work very differently. The Tesla device collects the charge of charged particles from cosmic rays penetrating the atmosphere. The insulation on the polished, elevated plate serves 2 purposes. The first is that it covers any points that ionize the air and attract lightning. The second is that it is a dielectric material and serves to separate the charges and protect the the charge collected by the plate from neutralizing with opposite charges in the air around it. So the insulation should have as high a dielectric constant as possible. All connections and conductors between the elevated plate and your device need to be insulated for the same reason. The same goes for all connections and conductors between your device and your ground rod/plate connection. I found that insulating the top 3 feet of the ground rod or wire going to the plate in the soil also helps because the charged particles will also penetrate the ground to that depth.
The reason Tesla says in his patent to use a "highly polished or amalgamated plate" is so the dielectric insulation will make the best contact possible and therefore attain the best charge transfer.
In metallurgy, amalgamated means mixed with mercury. Mercury has some interesting properties in regard to Tesla's work. Vacuum tubes were developed at one time to use a pool of mercury to conduct high voltage, high current electricity in only one direction - a vacuum diode, if you will - that could handle 30kW of DC power. Tesla also used mercury in many of his circuit controllers for the same reason. Search "mercury arc rectifiers" for more info.[/font]
If I remember correctly, John Bedini said to use thoriated tungsten welding rods for the cores of the coils in the SSG.
There were at one time vacuum tubes produced that used a radioactive material. I think it was RCA who produced them for use in high power radio transmitters. There might still be a few around but they would cost an arm and a leg I imagine.
Page 13 of the following PDF document shows, essentially, a Tesla radiant energy collector using strontium rather than cosmic rays.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanchar/res/BlanchardKorea.pdf (http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanchar/res/BlanchardKorea.pdf)[/url]
[/font]You can buy thorium on eBay I think. And the following site has radioactive materials and handling equipment: http://www.unitednuclear.com/ (http://www.unitednuclear.com/)
More info in the attachment.
I am using right now a carbon fiber sheet that i bought on Ebay, and i was thinking about laminating it, and what you said about the dielectic on the antenna was interesting becouse i haven´t really thought much about it.
I am glad that you brought this to my attention, so i am going to do my best in insulating the antenna, and i will also try to insulate the earth side too.
I was under the impression that the system should be insulated becouse of leakage.
I have thought about buying some Uraninite from UN, but i am not sure that they will ship to Europe, and if they do, it will probably cost $100 in shipping.
On ebay you can get what the hell you are looking for. I remember a few years ago when i was into electrochemistry and stuff, i bought a whole bunch of exotic chemical reagents from ebay, so i would not be surprised if you wanted to buy guns, drugs, or radioactive nuclear waste you could get it from ebay. :)
Thanks for the feedback guys!
Dear Antimony, if you dont wanna get nowhere really fast, then don't waste with the thoriated tungsten , uranite and all that crap. I have tested pure thorium and uranium salts in a my modern version of Marie Curie's air conductivity apparatus and they are exceedingly weak, even in a field of 8000V/20cm. They are not the faintest shadow of Radium.
Oh, laminating your ion collector is very , very , very .....something.
Ok, I just have to explain that i thought about laminating the paper antenna to keep it dry when i put it up, and when he wrote that it was important that the antenna should be insulated, i just mentioned it. I didnt think that it was any genious idea on my part.
The truth is that i dont even know a fraction of what knowledge you guys have about this stuff, so I just have to let you know that so that you dont think i am passing myself of as something i dont want you to think of me.
I dont have the money for exploring thorium or anything like that right now at the moment, but it would be interesting at some time to learn more about.
I appreciate you taking your time. Thanks. :)
Don't laminate it unless you are a Drongo!
Quote from: pomodoro on June 22, 2017, 07:33:54 AM
Don't laminate it unless you are a Drongo!
Don´t know what a Drongo is, but i guess it is nothing that i would like to be, so i wont laminate it. :)
If you laminate it then you might as well use alum foil! And then you limit yourself to capturing AC fields only. You ain't ever gonna see those sparks like on the Ion group vids. :-[ what happened to the Minne experiment?? Oh sorry for taking the Mickey out of you. Oh man I need to stop..
Quote from: pomodoro on June 24, 2017, 05:15:47 AM
If you laminate it then you might as well use alum foil! And then you limit yourself to capturing AC fields only. You ain't ever gonna see those sparks like on the Ion group vids. :-[ what happened to the Minne experiment?? Oh sorry for taking the Mickey out of you. Oh man I need to stop..
No worries. My wife and kids will be out of town a couple of days soon, so that will leave me some free time that i was planning on taking Minnie out and see what i can get.
Do you think i should leave the carbon fiber sheet uninsulated? I don´t have to insulate it like with the paper.
Will the scotch tape insulation decrease what it picks up?
When i first started to experiment with the graphite antenna, and all of that i started out with the regular Tesla or Ion Power Group setup, but when i found out that i was getting more "action" with the Tate circuit, you know, i got stuck on that instead of trying to collect some cosmic energy instead.
That was what i was going for in the beginning, so i am going to focus on that from now on. :)
Have you seen the Inventor3 series on youtube called "Free energy from air" or something like that?
https://www.youtube.com/user/INVENTOR3
I hardly ever look at youtube, more of a book / PDF / web page reader myself but will check it later.
If the carbon sheet is fragile, you are very limited. You might be able to wrap it in the shape of a tube and use it in the tail section of Minnie.
Air will pass around it and inside. You need a light copper wire, very thin one that Minnie can lift. Single strand enamelled copper wire. But keep the normal string for strength. For you first tests forget trying to measure any voltage. Instead measure the current flow from the collector up there, thru the wire and down to a metal stake in the ground. Use a multimeter capable of uA, mA. Forget capacitors , simply measure the current and report back here. Don't touch the copper wire or some of the current will pass through your body not the multimeter. Also note the polarity of the current. Strive for constant current for a few seconds, not peaks, these peaks are due to bound charges moving up and down as the altitude changes. The more the height the better the signal. 120 feet minimum.
Tate circuit simply rectifies AC fields in the roof from your own house. If you don't believe it, simply take it to a park and try it out. Depending on radio signals in the vicinity you will get some sort of output, or none at all. Eventually , when youre good, hook it up to Minnie, it should work, but again, measure and improve current first.
Cosmic radiation collectors are not real, well not the OU ones you can power your house with. Concentrate on real things like the ion group tech first, master it and then try the cosmic receivers for some challenge.
I tried looking at his vids but many of them don't start not sure why.. Anyhow I saw a few and it looks like both his collectors, generation 1 and two are on the roof. The one I could see is shaped like some dish, there is another in the box on another roof. I cant make out the circuit he uses but if any rectification is used, he is most likely tapping into the 60Hz grid without knowing. All he has to do is to put an oscilloscope probe on the antenna and have a look. Has he done that? Anything that diodes can rectify and give some power from will show up on a good oscilloscope. Sure, GHz wont , unless you spent too much $$ for your scope, but most diodes used in these gizmos dont work too well into the gigs anyway. Follow the ion group, this youtube chap is clever but too much of jack of all trades if you know what I mean, just look at all the stuff he does, you cant be an expert if you do that.
BTW don't expect Minnie to work well first time. Its not that easy at first. Lack of wind, tangled or snapped copper wire, dogs at park, you name it, Murphys law basically.
Quote from: pomodoro on June 25, 2017, 08:15:00 PM
I hardly ever look at youtube, more of a book / PDF / web page reader myself but will check it later.
If the carbon sheet is fragile, you are very limited. You might be able to wrap it in the shape of a tube and use it in the tail section of Minnie.
Air will pass around it and inside. You need a light copper wire, very thin one that Minnie can lift. Single strand enamelled copper wire. But keep the normal string for strength. For you first tests forget trying to measure any voltage. Instead measure the current flow from the collector up there, thru the wire and down to a metal stake in the ground. Use a multimeter capable of uA, mA. Forget capacitors , simply measure the current and report back here. Don't touch the copper wire or some of the current will pass through your body not the multimeter. Also note the polarity of the current. Strive for constant current for a few seconds, not peaks, these peaks are due to bound charges moving up and down as the altitude changes. The more the height the better the signal. 120 feet minimum.
Tate circuit simply rectifies AC fields in the roof from your own house. If you don't believe it, simply take it to a park and try it out. Depending on radio signals in the vicinity you will get some sort of output, or none at all. Eventually , when youre good, hook it up to Minnie, it should work, but again, measure and improve current first.
Cosmic radiation collectors are not real, well not the OU ones you can power your house with. Concentrate on real things like the ion group tech first, master it and then try the cosmic receivers for some challenge.
Yeah, I am trying to read as much as i can, but when you have kids it is sometimes hard to get some time to just relax and focus.
You maybe also have kids, if you do you know what i am talking about. :)
I am going to try what you described.
I was planning on using multi stranded Fe wire, becouse i have a lot of that, but I also have some thin #30 cu-wire. Maybe ill try bott.
I am just going to use it as is becouse i am not going to leave it out.
I belive you about the Tate circuit. I knew that from the start, but I wanted to see if i could get the same results as the guy on Youtube, and i did.
Also i bought a new small ignition coil that i was trying to use for an Imhotep radiant oscillator circuit, but this one didnt either work.
Are there some sort of resistor in the ignition coils or what could it be?
I was going to step down the collected energy with it in the future.
Thanks /F
Yes , I do. Focus on them and wife first, 100%, if not you will be very sorry.
When wife let's you, then you can investigate. Start by believing 50% of what you hear, from anyone including me, and test the other 50% looking first to replicate and secondly for any other plausible reason rather than new science. This last bit is where sound scientific knowledge and experience only can help you.
Now, here is more info to help you. If you go far away from the power lines and stick a 1x1 meter metal plate a meter above ground, but well insulated from it (Teflon ), you will be able to measure a DC current from the plate through a wire to a stake in the ground. The current is between 1 and 2 picoAmps! I hope you can see that you need to improve this by well over a million times before you can measure it with confidence using a multimeter.
So Minnie and you have some work to do, but its not impossible.
I have been out in the Woods on there different occassions, and i wasnt able to fly Minnie on either of them becouse it couldnt lift that kind of weight.
Not even with #30 wire and a small tiny antenna.
I was thinking that i may have to make my own kite that is larger.
Thanks for the advice Pomodoro. I appreciate it. :)
Try eBay or similar places too. If you get the kite over 100 feet in the air expect 2-3kv positive without clouds. With clouds anything goes, including very high negative voltages. A kite string dipped in salt water is an alternative to copper wire. A single sharp needle point up there will collect enough current for you to measure with cheap multimeter with 0.1uA resolution. You wont measure any voltage with the multimeter though, but I'll let you figure out why yourself. Measuring current is the most reliable method by far, especially for people starting out. Don't use diodes as yet. You will confuse the current with rectified radio / grid signals, that are quite strong due to the very low impedance of the kite antenna/wire (radiation resistance).
Keep at it until you get 1uA or more .It may not sound like much, but its a million times more than what a 1x1 meter metal plate up there can give. :) . After that is when secrets must be revealed, and you are definitely on your own ,start making elaborate collectors, different materials, etc. When you have improved the current, and you fulky understand the concept only then look into TH Moray and similar folk for more hidden secrets.
There have been many claims of special coatings doing wonderful things,
and some do indeed seem true .
I was thinking that if I was testing Electrostatic "reception or attraction" which was attributed to
Coatings or Antenna design.
I would figure a method to use my bench and one of these !
https://www.tindie.com/products/SparKIT/sparkit-mini-electrostatic-generator/?pt=full_prod_search
simulating weak attraction designs on the bench ...even incorporating ground attraction too
besides its cool to show and teach the Kids .
Thanks To TinselKoala and Brad for the link.
There will definitely be much more on this topic ,the whatifs and experimental possibilities are almost endless.
and the old and"new" information on special coatings makes it a worthwhile venture for OPEN SOURCE research.
respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: pomodoro on July 04, 2017, 08:14:05 PM
Try eBay or similar places too. If you get the kite over 100 feet in the air expect 2-3kv positive without clouds. With clouds anything goes, including very high negative voltages. A kite string dipped in salt water is an alternative to copper wire. A single sharp needle point up there will collect enough current for you to measure with cheap multimeter with 0.1uA resolution. You wont measure any voltage with the multimeter though, but I'll let you figure out why yourself. Measuring current is the most reliable method by far, especially for people starting out. Don't use diodes as yet. You will confuse the current with rectified radio / grid signals, that are quite strong due to the very low impedance of the kite antenna/wire (radiation resistance).
Keep at it until you get 1uA or more .It may not sound like much, but its a million times more than what a 1x1 meter metal plate up there can give. :) . After that is when secrets must be revealed, and you are definitely on your own ,start making elaborate collectors, different materials, etc. When you have improved the current, and you fulky understand the concept only then look into TH Moray and similar folk for more hidden secrets.
I use a yarn wire to fly it, so it would be something to try out maybe.
I got so mad after the third time i went out there, and i couldn´t lift even #30 wire, and i haven´t had the time since to do anything.
I apprecieate your feedback, thanks mate.
Quote from: ramset on July 05, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
There have been many claims of special coatings doing wonderful things,
and some do indeed seem true .
I was thinking that if I was testing Electrostatic "reception or attraction" which was attributed to
Coatings or Antenna design.
I would figure a method to use my bench and one of these !
https://www.tindie.com/products/SparKIT/sparkit-mini-electrostatic-generator/?pt=full_prod_search
simulating weak attraction designs on the bench ...even incorporating ground attraction too
besides its cool to show and teach the Kids .
Thanks To TinselKoala and Brad for the link.
There will definitely be much more on this topic ,the whatifs and experimental possibilities are almost endless.
and the old and"new" information on special coatings makes it a worthwhile venture for OPEN SOURCE research.
respectfully
Chet K
I am going to check out the link. Thanks.
It is definently fun to show the kids all these stuff that i have learned on the forum. The really seem to be interested, and i hope that it sparks an interest so they can do something that they like to do for a living.
Be careful what you wish for your kids.
Once upon a time, before science too over me, I too looked normal..
Pomodoro
yes this path can make us a bit whacky...
I was told Philip Hardcastle has gone to Spain to work on his Quenton Device with Simon from Dansie's forum.
reminded me of a fellow a few years back who was harvesting from the ambient and utilizing Tiny Diodes arrays
member Paul Lowrance [unsure of spelling ]
worth a look, I am still having a very hard time with eye movement/reading and pain [supposedly getting fixed on Monday surgery]
so perhaps check it out ?
Update on the work of Ion Power Group.
https://youtu.be/JlTD80WRz8k