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I hate to break the news to you, but in the year 2020 Earth will be introduced to three massive changes that will change your life.

1) Self-runner that will produce well over 1W
2) Technology that will quickly allow humanity to leave the nest
3) AI Singularity

Oh? I applaud your optimism but I confess that I do not share it.

So... would you like to make a small wager? I'll bet you a double cheezburger to a box of Krispy Kreme donuts that none of the above will occur before the end of 2020.

First however you should define your terms precisely so we know just what we are betting on and who decides whether the criteria are met.

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 15, 2017, 09:00:03 PM
Oh? I applaud your optimism but I confess that I do not share it.

So... would you like to make a small wager? I'll bet you a double cheezburger to a box of Krispy Kreme donuts that none of the above will occur before the end of 2020.

First however you should define your terms precisely so we know just what we are betting on and who decides whether the criteria are met.

Actually I subscribe to a belief that we create our own reality through worldlines / timelines. So you may very well be correct for yourself, unfortunately.

 Any one know what a slaughterbot2 is ? and your predictions 'puff' pie in the sky,no chance  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Self runner was presented already many times. Watch Kapanadze videos. The principle is in Tesla patents.

I hope it works for you, but I was told by a source I trust 100% that the original Kapanadze was a hoax, which means all replications won't self run unless by luck or by chance there's a nearby source strong enough for the device.

Maybe yes, maybe no, only Kapanadze knows. However the principle is rock steady and valid and quite simple but complicated in details. It kinda the same as Steven Mark TPU but using capacitors rather then the superposition of signals. Sure to some level every valid discovery can be manipulated and suppressed.

" Sure to some level
every valid discovery can be manipulated and
suppressed."

Or absorbed

Quote from: Theoretical Research on November 15, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
I hate to break the news to you, but in the year 2020 Earth will be introduced to three massive changes that will change your life.

1) Self-runner that will produce well over 1W
    24/365 nantenna technology works well above
2) Technology that will quickly allow humanity to leave the nest
    3D-printing technology elsewhere ? 
3) AI Singularity
    After chess and GO challenge the AI-machine shall become allowed to work out a better evolution     plan,men-machine-assimilation included

Quote from: Theoretical Research on November 15, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
I hate to break the news to you, but in the year 2020 Earth will be introduced to three massive changes that will change your life.

1) Self-runner that will produce well over 1W
2) Technology that will quickly allow humanity to leave the nest
3) AI Singularity

Regarding to #1, above. If you are reading this, then congratulations! :) There is a 23% chance that precise directions to build a simple self-runner will be released in this timeline in the year 2018.

I can't tell you the outcome on #2, or #3
But #1 has already happened and not many lives are changed by it.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 02, 2018, 09:04:32 AM
I can't tell you the outcome on #2, or #3
But #1 has already happened and not many lives are changed by it.

Come on. Let's not insult the intelligence of people. I've lost count how many circuits & designs that have been posted over the decades that people have tried to replicate, of which none so far have ended up being self-runners. There have been a lot of scams, hoaxes, dreamers, and a lot of people who simply don't know how to take proper measurements.

BTW a self-runner should be obvious. It should produce more energy than all of it's batteries and charged capacitors. This is an example of a hoax.

https://youtu.be/yoCBORXzOqU

1. nope it will not

2.no

3. no

i like to think with the here now.. saves me alot of time

Quote from: jojo500 on January 02, 2018, 11:52:56 AM
1. nope it will not

2.no

3. no

i like to think with the here now.. saves me alot of time

Then why are you here posting at this forum if you're so dead set on believing it won't happen by 2020?

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 02, 2018, 11:05:19 AM
Come on. Let's not insult the intelligence of people. I've lost count how many circuits & designs that have been posted over the decades that people have tried to replicate, of which none so far have ended up being self-runners. There have been a lot of scams, hoaxes, dreamers, and a lot of people who simply don't know how to take proper measurements.

Let us also not underestimate the adversity


If I showed people 3 overunity system right now
I would be met with proclaimations of fraud, mismeasurement,
and outright denial.
Not to mention a lot of unwanted attention.
Thermodynamic theory has a lot of religious believers
who are unwilling to admit the exceptions to their "laws".


People are driven into the shadows
Some fight the battle their entire lives
Only to die with their knowledge.
Others are refuted and belittled
While the industries pilfers their technology
and uses it to perpetuate capitalism.


For every Eric Jacqmain or Archer Quinn
There are 1000 skeptics ready and willing to
fight them to the bitter end without giving a glance
at the truth. Some even to this day spreading the
lies and misinformation. Despite the advancements
that provide power to millions.
All the while, our electric bills stay high.

I know there are self-runners. The problem is nobody has been able or willing to publish a design that people can replicate. Maybe they were greedy and died with their secret. Maybe they just couldn't publish it for philosophical reasons for fear that humanity would eventually use the science & technology to build weapons. Or maybe they couldn't figured out how to replicate it every time, the magic, the secret sauce that makes it work, taking a lot of tweaking and guess work to get it to work.

Regardless, it's not in public hands, yet. Not in this timeline.

There are ou systems here on this forum


Inventors often use non-technical terms to describe the effects they experience
Replicators often ad-hok the tech and build in manners which cannot succeed
Skeptics defer attention away from things that should be looked at


Sometimes the effects themselves are so obscure, that only a few of many replications
are able to achieve similar results.


Others still are confined to localities, or material specific properties
that go unnoticed


The AQ magnetic device was replicated by no less than 50 people
Some of them are very good at mechanical engineering
But to date, only 3 people report success.
I built 20 of them myself. Only one worked as presented
And it destroyed itself. I wasn't able to do it again, even though
I consider myself the most well educated on the subject, having spent
a great deal of time corresponding with the inventor, and countless hours of experimentation.
and that's just one example.


If free energy was 'easy', none of us would be here.


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The Archimedes device resurrected by Eric Jacqmain proved OU, compared to refractive
lenses of the same area.
It is used currently by electric companies in 28 countries.


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there are other devices that have associated threads on this forum
that are still wound in controversy, but display anomalous behavior


Also mentionable are entire categories of devices which are not "ou",
but close enough that they defy current knowledge of system losses.


For whatever reasons, these techniques are not used to reduce energy
consumption, but rather sit on the shelves of forums. Played with by tinkerers
as funny tricks or oddities.


Truth is, any success we achieve here, is a direct threat to the global economy.
And the corporations that pillage us would stop at nothing to prevent their forthcoming.
The interests of many of these corporations are held by people in positions of power.


Only a small few of governments show interest in bringing this stuff to a reality.
And caution must be taken when we work with them, so as not to commit any diplomatic crimes.


Most governments still hold the thermodynamic viewpoint.
Even though we know this to be incorrect, the collegiate accreditation system prevents
alternative theories from being taught in schools.
Which perpetuates the problem.
Creating more religious anti-energy fanatics we must contend with.

There are overunity situations embedded in our scientific theories
in almost every area of science.


constructive Interference as it pertains to light, sound, and emf


Gravitational Fluid pressure and jet nozzle physics


Electrolysis of Water is overunity, when one considers bouyancy
within the gravitational field and the pressure differential of the
liquid-to-gas phase change.
Even further demonstrated by stoichiatric combustion
Even with the 50% loses associated with the Carnot cycle,
And ICE can power an alternator to perpetuate the separation of gasses
as well as provide rotational force to power external devices such as a
drive shaft or hydraulic pump.




The capillary effect is overunity.


Books have been written about this stuff, yet thermodynamic extremists
still argue against it to their death.


The only thing that will change our lives is us changing the way we live them.

That's not true. Many "crazy scientists" have been trying to publish their findings in so-called indexed journals but no many of these journals accept their contributions.


Prof Peter Mansfield was an example. He was the original inventor of MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). During the early stage of his career, his proposed idea was almost invisible in the scientific community. He had tried to publish his initial findings in a few journals, almost all his papers were rejected. Even now, I doubt if anyone knows the original inventor of MRI.


Nowadays, even an undergraduate student can be allowed to review a high impact journal paper.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 02, 2018, 05:31:37 PM
I know there are self-runners. The problem is nobody has been able or willing to publish a design that people can replicate. Maybe they were greedy and died with their secret. Maybe they just couldn't publish it for philosophical reasons for fear that humanity would eventually use the science & technology to build weapons. Or maybe they couldn't figured out how to replicate it every time, the magic, the secret sauce that makes it work, taking a lot of tweaking and guess work to get it to work.

Regardless, it's not in public hands, yet. Not in this timeline.

Yes let's not forget the overunity MRI that uses superconductors
To create a magnetic field that draws no consumption
Yet is powerful enough to throw a truck acros the room


Although technically thermodynamics requires heat
Or the equations break down

Sometime in the 1940-50's it became common knowledge
that when a new theory triumphs over the existing one,
the incumbent scientist is ridiculed, and then forgotten.


The immortality the worked their lives for is destroyed
and if they are still alive, their thesis may be overturned.
Which affects their careers, as well as their social status.


These are the same people that make the decisions on
the new proposed theories.

This may sound ridiculous but I think that life itself exists in a state of overunity.
We try to find it in a mechanical or technical sense, but in my opinion it is more likely to be found in biological organisms.
When we see how organisms have managed to survive through millions of years; it seems that overunity is at the basis.
Perhaps that some people see the hand of god in this miracle. It sounds controversial on this forum but that is what I think.
This said I wish you all a happy 2018.

Quote from: LabDeSyn on January 03, 2018, 08:55:32 AM
This may sound ridiculous but I think that life itself exists in a state of overunity.
We try to find it in a mechanical or technical sense, but in my opinion it is more likely to be found in biological organisms.
When we see how organisms have managed to survive through millions of years; it seems that overunity is at the basis.
Perhaps that some people see the hand of god in this miracle. It sounds controversial on this forum but that is what I think.
This said I wish you all a happy 2018.

Most life forms operate as arguably overunity.
A tall tree for instance, pumps more water than allowed for by the caloric intake of its minerals.
Muscular and neurological activity of higher animals also outperforms their caloric intake.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 03, 2018, 09:19:59 AM

Most life forms operate as arguably overunity.
A tall tree for instance, pumps more water than allowed for by the caloric intake of its minerals.
Muscular and neurological activity of higher animals also outperforms their caloric intake.

This is exactly what I mean. We make energy conversions (from food, wind, sun, waves etc.)
but conversion is not procreating. Maybe we have to free our mind from in-output thinking.
Life is not a matter of (the right) math. There is a secret behind self-sustaining systems.

Replicators can only do what the inventor says. Replicators don't need to adhoc unless the inventor's instructions are vague or doesn't specify exact part #s.

A few months ago I was told in PM that within a week a self-runner was going to be verified. It never happened.

The public does not have a self-runner, yet.

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 15, 2017, 09:00:03 PM
Oh? I applaud your optimism but I confess that I do not share it.

So... would you like to make a small wager? I'll bet you a double cheezburger to a box of Krispy Kreme donuts that none of the above will occur before the end of 2020.

First however you should define your terms precisely so we know just what we are betting on and who decides whether the criteria are met.

How about a small wager with me?  I can prove, without a shadow of a doubt (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/learner-english/beyond-without-a-shadow-of-a-doubt), that at least one of the above is already true!

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on January 04, 2018, 01:07:57 AM
How about a small wager with me?  I can prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that at least one of the above is already true!

Gravock

Quote from: meFirst however you should define your terms precisely so we know just what we are betting on and who decides whether the criteria are met.

But I believe that you are insane, a Flat Earther, and you have already shown in discussions on that topic that you are immune to scientific evidence and that you believe all kinds of whacky shit. So I ask you this: Why do you need a "wager" to demonstrate the proof of your contention that "at least one of the above is already true"? Just do it.

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 04, 2018, 01:16:13 AM
Why do you need a "wager" to demonstrate the proof of your contention that "at least one of the above is already true"? Just do it.

You should be asking yourself that question!  It is you who needed and offered a wager, and not me.  You have already shown yourself to be irrational in your thinking by asking me that question. 

However, I am now going to take full advantage of you offering a small wager.  If I can prove that at least one of the above is already true, without a shadow of a doubt (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/learner-english/beyond-without-a-shadow-of-a-doubt), then you agree to no longer post on this forum.  Do you accept or not?

Gravock

No, of course not. You have already demonstrated over and over that you are insane. You are likely to assert that you have "won" any such wager, just as you have asserted literally crazy shit about the nature of the Earth, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. I'd have to be as crazy as you are, to accept such a deal. You are nuts!

You can take your imaginary "without a shadow of a doubt" and go sit on it.

The "wicky-wheel" capillary to rotary device was self-running
Literally over a decade ago.

The problem is that inventors claim to have a self-runner, but so far they can never seem to prove it to rational thinking people. They turn out to be scams, hoaxes, or measurement errors. They rarely provide detailed build instructions, part numbers. When the poor replicators try to build it, they fail. The inventor makes some excuse.

I've published an experiment to allow people to see a free energy effect by offering two options. 1) The simple method, but I said beforehand it's unpredictable and no guarantees it will work. One person built it, without success. I even tried rebuilding it again, it worked at first for a very short while. Later on I published the second method, more difficult to build, but stable, works every time. The exact designs along with part numbers were published to build the stable pulsed version. I uploaded a video showing the device and the output. So far nobody has built it, which is probably a good thing because I've since taken the different philosophical path that humanity is not ready for this new physics, yet. Recently I momentarily uploaded a video showing the spectrum of what I call broadband-self-runners.

Self-runners exist. You people will know it when the real deal hits public domain. There will be no question because by the time you learn about such a device academic scientists and their students around the world will be talking about their self-running devices on social media.

Then you saying, academic scientists currently do research on free energy and self-running devices, but they do not talk about? Somewhat interesting. Area 51 perhaps?

Quote from: Theoretical Research on November 16, 2017, 05:34:57 PM
I was told by a source I trust 100% that the original Kapanadze was a hoax

What is ORIGINAL Kapanadze? Is there a non-orginal one?

Let me guess: Your 100% trustworthy source has not the slightest idea how Kapanadze fakes his demonstrations of selfrunners showing kilowatts of energy output in front of live audience and camera. Otherwise he would tell you and you would tell us, instead of talking in riddles. You know nothing, we know nothing. Therefore business as usual.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on January 04, 2018, 05:25:25 PM
Then you saying, academic scientists currently do research on free energy and self-running devices, but they do not talk about? Somewhat interesting. Area 51 perhaps?

Not the present. I did not say that. The Future.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on January 04, 2018, 05:25:25 PM
What is ORIGINAL Kapanadze? Is there a non-orginal one?

Let me guess: Your 100% trustworthy source has not the slightest idea how Kapanadze fakes his demonstrations of selfrunners showing kilowatts of energy output in front of live audience and camera. Otherwise he would tell you and you would tell us, instead of talking in riddles. You know nothing, we know nothing. Therefore business as usual.

He said there was a high power source that pumped energy into the Earth at a distant house.


I'm not offering proof of my source. I'm only sharing a few things they have said, and that they've give me proof that they know a lot of important things we do not.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 04, 2018, 07:21:45 PM


He said there was a high power source that pumped energy into the Earth at a distant house.

That's exactly what Thomas Edison said about Tesla...

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 04, 2018, 11:42:24 AM
The problem is that inventors claim to have a self-runner, but so far they can never seem to prove it to rational thinking people....

Ah-hem.....




The wicky-wheel proved to be perpetual, in violation of thermodynamics,
Over a decade ago.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 04, 2018, 07:21:45 PM
Not the present. I did not say that. The Future.


He said there was a high power source that pumped energy into the Earth at a distant house.


I'm not offering proof of my source. I'm only sharing a few things they have said, and that they've give me proof that they know a lot of important things we do not.

they" ahh ok .. sorry but i could not resist  ;)

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 04, 2018, 07:52:49 PM

Ah-hem.....




The wicky-wheel proved to be perpetual, in violation of thermodynamics,
Over a decade ago.

Come on now. Not in this timeline.

Quote from: jojo500 on January 05, 2018, 07:03:13 AM
they" ahh ok .. sorry but i could not resist  ;)

Yes, "they," as in plural. They are many. MM is part of a group.  :)

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 04, 2018, 07:21:45 PM
He said there was a high power source that pumped energy into the Earth at a distant house.
I'm not offering proof of my source. I'm only sharing a few things they have said, and that they've give me proof that they know a lot of important things we do not.

Hi Theoretical Research. Years ago Kapanadze was negotiating with some potential investors (I forget off hand
which country that particular investment group was from, as Kapanadze apparently negotiated with at least a couple
of different groups of investors over the years), and as the story was related, this group insisted that Kapanadze bring
a device with him and the investment group would take him by boat to some undisclosed island for which
Kapanadze did not know the destination.

As the account of the event was related, and as I recall, Kapanadze was taken to an island which Kapanadze did not
know the location of in advance and was asked to demonstrate his device. As the story was related (I can't find the original
document where I had read the translation of this account of this event) Kapanadze set up his device on the shore of the island,
but after his device was running for a while apparently some security person or similar came and told them they had to leave the
island right away because the place where they were was privately owned. However, as the story was related,
Kapanadze was able to make his device self run for a little while on that island until they were asked to leave.
It seems it would be pretty hard for Kapanadze to fake that demo on the shore of that island, if the account of the event I read
is at least fairly accurate.

From what I can gather, this is a video clip of that demonstration from Kapanadze.
In the video, if it is a video clip of that same event with Kapanadze, you can see that the shore of the island is very rugged and rocky,
and the location appears to be remote.  At any rate, whether the account I read of that island demo is wholly accurate or not,
various other people have witnessed Kapanadze's devices in operation up close in person, and to date no one has reported
seeing evidence of tricks being used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLxTjc9m3k


All the best...

Quote from: Void on January 05, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
Hi Theoretical Research. Years ago Kapanadze was negotiating with some potential investors (I forget off hand
which country that particular investment group was from, as Kapanadze apparently negotiated with at least a couple
of different groups of investors over the years), and as the story was related, this group insisted that Kapanadze bring
a device with him and the investment group would take him by boat to some undisclosed island for which
Kapanadze did not know the destination.

As the account of the event was related, and as I recall, Kapanadze was taken to an island which Kapanadze did not
know the location of in advance and was asked to demonstrate his device. As the story was related (I can't find the original
document where I had read the translation of this account of this event) Kapanadze set up his device on the shore of the island,
but after his device was running for a while apparently some security person or similar came and told them they had to leave the
island right away because the place where they were was privately owned. However, as the story was related,
Kapanadze was able to make his device self run for a little while on that island until they were asked to leave.
It would be pretty hard for Kapanadze to fake that demo on the shore of that island, if the account of the event I read
is at least fairly accurate.
From what I can gather, this is a video clip of that demonstration from Kapanadze.
You can see that the shore of the island is all rocks, and the location appears to be remote. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLxTjc9m3k


All the best...

I haven't asked MM about that video. Unfortunately history proves there are plenty of investors who are careless, giving inventors a lot of money without requiring sufficient evidence. Steorn is a good example of that. If I was an investor I would require the device tested in a lab. No closed big boxes as shown in the video. Ever part would be opened, broken down, and analyzed. And even then it's possible to be tricked. Magicians have proven that.

The fact that the video was uploaded 7 years ago and who knows how long since they took the video clearly shows that nothing resulted of the demo. Either the investors discovered the fake or the inventor was unable to provide sufficient evidence.

Don't worry. When the real deal arrives, it's not going to collect dust on a shelf. That will happen before the end of 2020, and humanity will be ready and responsible enough by the time scientists figure out the new physics that such technology will eventually bring.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 12:28:53 PM
I haven't asked MM about that video. Unfortunately history proves there are plenty of investors who are careless, giving inventors a lot of money without requiring sufficient evidence. Steorn is a good example of that. If I was an investor I would require the device tested in a lab. No closed big boxes as shown in the video. Ever part would be opened, broken down, and analyzed. And even then it's possible to be tricked. Magicians have proven that.

The fact that the video was uploaded 7 years ago and who knows how long since they took the video clearly shows that nothing resulted of the demo. Either the investors discovered the fake or the inventor was unable to provide sufficient evidence.

Don't worry. When the real deal arrives, it's not going to collect dust on a shelf. That will happen before the end of 2020, and humanity will be ready and responsible enough by the time scientists figure out the new physics that such technology will eventually bring.

Hi Theoretical Research. While it is certainly advisable for investors to arrange for some sort of lab testing
of these sort of devices before investing any serious money, the problem for free energy device inventors
who want to try to make money from their inventions is the reality is that as soon as their secret is out of
the bag in regards to the specific principle or principles that make their device over unity, they have most likely
lost their bargaining power. Given this, it is perfectly understandable to me that many free energy inventors
might well be very reluctant to allow their devices to be inspected and tested closely in a lab setting by others
until they have made some sort of clear cut deal first. So you have a 'catch 22' situation. :)

By some accounts, it may be that Kapanadze is particularly paranoid about being ripped off once he lets his secret
out, and I have read at least a couple of translations of Kapanadze's statements where Kapanadze has stated that he
believed that potential investors were trying to rip him off, so Kapanadze backed out of the deal. Maybe Kapanadze is overly paranoid
of being ripped off, or maybe the potential investors he has dealt with in the past really were pretty sleazy and were trying to rip him off.
Kapanadze's apparent paranoia may have some real justification behind it.

Something Dr. Steven Greer said in the past comes to mind, which loosely paraphrased was 'inventors of these
free energy devices expect the world to beat a path to their door, but instead murder incorporated beats a path to their door'.
That may be somewhat of an exaggeration, although it may possibly have some real basis in at least some cases,
but it seems to me that free energy device inventors shouldn't be at all surprised if many people they run into
are very questionable or are outright sharks of all kinds. Where there is the potential for big bucks to be made,
you should certainly expect some very shady people to try to jump into the game.

At any rate, from what I have seen, Kapanadze appears to be one of the more credible free energy device claimants
out there, as he has demonstrated his devices in front of quite a few different people over the years. That is a far bit
better than many free energy device claimants ever do. Yes, anything can be faked, but, in my own opinion anyway,
Kapanadze is one of the more credible free energy device claimants I have come across over the years, even if he may
be very difficult to deal with on a business level. Wesley who posts here has related an account of dealing with
Kapanadze which seems to back up the notion that Kapanadze can be very difficult to deal with when it comes to business.
If Kapanadze's devices are legit, then Kapanadze'a apparent deep distrust and erratic behavior may be his own worst enemy...

All the best...

I'd like to think or at least hope there are more credible self-runners claims than Kapanadze. I see a post on Kapanadze presentation in 2005. If he can't find an investor to market the biggest breakthrough device in history after 13 years then somethings wrong. So I'll have to trust my source that it's a fake.

BTW one does not need an investor to sell things. You make a dozen. Sell them. Reinvest to make more. Sell. Etc.  Every relative and friend I know would buy one. All of their friends would quickly learn about it including all of their close social media friends who would be breaking down the door to buy one. Explosive growth. That's for the real deal. Not a fake. Don't be disappointed. The public will see the real deal one day when humanity is ready.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 01:25:06 PM
I'd like to think or at least hope there are more credible self-runners claims than Kapanadze. I see a post on Kapanadze presentation in 2005. If he can't find an investor to market the biggest breakthrough device in history after 13 years then somethings wrong. So I'll have to trust my source that it's a fake.

Hi Theoretical Research. I have explained some of the accounts and some possible reasons for the
lack of a business deal with Kapanadze to date. I think it is not so straightforward at all as many
people may assume to try to find a serious investor or buyer for this type of invention. For one thing,
if you ask engineers and scientists whether they think free energy devices of this type are possible,
most or at least very many will probably either say it is a violation of known scientific 'laws', or they
would say it it seems very unlikely. Given this wide scale view, it may well not be so easy at all to
get attention from serious investors or buyers, but sharks are probably only too happy to jump on board. :)
Kapanadze has stated that he tried to interest the Georgian government, but he said they do not believe
his device could be real.

I would say many people think that the world would beat a path to an inventor's door if they claimed
they had a free energy/over unity device and were willing to demonstrate it, but instead most people
just assume it must be fake, and instead mainly sharks and other very questionable people may be the
people who show up at their door. :)  It certainly doesn't help the situation that many/most of
the free energy device claims out there are either from people who are mistaken, or hoaxers, or outright
scammers. That certainly doesn't mean that all claimants necessarily fall into those categories however. :)


All the best...

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
BTW one does not need an investor to sell things. You make a dozen. Sell them. Reinvest to make more. Sell. Etc.  Every relative and friend I know would buy one. All of their friends would quickly learn about it including all of their close social media friends who would be breaking down the door to buy one. Explosive growth. That's for the real deal. Not a fake. Don't be disappointed. The public will see the real deal one day when humanity is ready.

Hi Theoretical Research. That certainly appears to be what many people assume should be the case,
but it does not appear to be anywhere near so straight forward and easy in actuality... :) There is
also some indication that some/many inventors of this sort may have been shut down by governments
or others based on 'national security' and similar excuses. Good luck with it. :)

All the best...

Yes there are a lot of people who won't believe until enough people believe. That's called skepticism. Close family & friends are different. That's all he needs. Build a few. Freely bring them over to some relatives. Let them get free energy for a month. They buy it, obviously, and word of mouth will grow at such an exponential rate that you will not be able to hire enough people to make them to keep up with demand. Pyramid schemes demonstrate the power of word of mouth. The math is simple. Each of ten people tell ten people, who each tell ten people, etc. That's real world. That's being realistic. You will know it when the real deal arrives. The problem is that out of 7+ billion people the probability is high there extremely disturbed people. Disturbed enough to get pleasure out of making people think they've invented the biggest thing in history.

Quote from: Void on January 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Hi Theoretical Research. That certainly appears to be what many people assume should be the case,
but it does not appear to be anywhere near so straight forward and easy in actuality... :) There is
also some indication that some/many inventors of this sort may have been shut down by governments
or others based on 'national security' and similar excuses. Good luck with it. :)

All the best...

So you're telling me that your close relatives would not allow you to freely bring over a machine that gives them free energy, and that after a month of free energy they buy it? Come on. This conversation has turned into nonsense lol. After 13 years he can't do anything with it, it's a fake. The government has no worries here, yet.

And yes, there is a good chance governments such as the U.S. would stop such an inventor based on some laws that basically say they can do so if the technology has been deemed as a threat. That's why you don't hop on a forum like this and post the device. The U.S. government can't stop an avalanche. That's why the inventor needs to do this behind the scenes in his or her local neighborhood. Give the device to some science college students with the agreement that if the device works as described that they agree to make X amount of devices within a certain number of days and give the devices to other people. No government can stop that.

There can be worlds of difference between assumptions, and actuality...
The reality is people are often wrong about things they believe to be certainly or almost certainly true.  ;)

Various people who claimed to have free energy devices have tried to wing it on their own believing that
the world will beat a path to their door, but so far none have succeeded that I know of. Some may be working
with governments behind the scenes and may be under strict gag orders, so maybe some free energy devices
are already well under research and development by some governments behind the scenes... Who knows for sure. :)

One common mistaken/unrealistic assumption many people seem to have is that once a claimed free energy
device is shown to be legit, that it should then only be maybe a year or so before it should be ready for public sale
and use. In reality it can take many years to research, develop and test a new technology to get it to a point
where it is deemed to be safe, reliable, and practical. With some unknown new energy source and technology,
it could potentially take many years of R&D and big bucks to get to a point where the technology is reliable and
safe and ready for mass use.

All the best...

friends, answer that question ? how can you sell device working on principle which is so simple you would laugh ? how many times Columbus had to discover America ?

Quote from: Void on January 05, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
There can be worlds of difference between assumptions, and actuality...
The reality is people are often wrong about things they believe to be certainly or almost certainly true.  ;)

Various people who claimed to have free energy devices have tried to wing it on their own believing that
the world will beat a path to their door, but so far none have succeeded that I know of. Some may be working
with governments behind the scenes and may be under strict gag orders, so maybe some free energy devices
are already well under research and development by some governments behind the scenes... Who knows for sure. :)

One common mistaken/unrealistic assumption many people seem to have is that once a claimed free energy
device is shown to be legit, that it should then only be maybe a year or so before it should be ready for public sale
and use. In reality it can take many years to research, develop and test a new technology to get it to a point
where it is deemed to be safe, reliable, and practical. With some unknown new energy source and technology,
it could potentially take many years of R&D and big bucks to get to a point where the technology is reliable and
safe ready for mass use.

All the best...

There's a repeated flaw in your posts. You're under the assumption there are all of these legit free energy devices and these inventors can just seem to get the ball rolling. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the ball is dead still because they are fakes, or the inventors don't know how to take proper measurements and therefore replicators can't seem to get OU. Yes I believe there have been legit self-runners, but they're a rarity throughout our entire known history.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
There's a repeated flaw in your posts. You're under the assumption there are all of these legit free energy devices and these inventors can just seem to get the ball rolling. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the ball is dead still because they are fakes, or the inventors don't know how to take proper measurements and therefore replicators can't seem to get OU. Yes I believe there have been legit self-runners, but they're a rarity throughout our entire known history.

Hi Theoretical Research. Nonsense.  I have very clearly not suggested that I think there are
many legit free energy inventors out there. I have said that I think Kapanadze is one of the
more credible claimants I have personally come across over the years, but that of course in no way
means I think his devices are certainly legit. I have actually also pointed out that most free energy device
claims actually turn out to be either people who are mistaken, hoaxers, or outright scammers.

I have mentioned other claims and speculations about free energy devices and inventors, but in no way have
I suggested that I assume there are many legit devices out there. ;) That is a complete fabrication
on your part. Since it appears you have not been bothering to read my comments, I won't waste
further time commenting on this to you. You should understand however that your apparent assumption
that Kapanadze is most probably a fake is really just an unproven assumption. Until I see some actual evidence
that Kapanadze has faked his devices, then I personally will leave the possibility open that his devices might be legit.
Assumptions are not evidence. ;)

All the best...

Quote from: forest on January 05, 2018, 02:44:10 PM
friends, answer that question ? how can you sell device working on principle which is so simple you would laugh ? how many times Columbus had to discover America ?

Hi Forest. Yes, as I have pointed out, if Kapanadze's devices are legit, the biggest problem
is selling his device without first having to reveal the secret behind them. Many potential investors or buyers
will likely insist that he must submit his device to an independent lab for full and open testing, but in such a case
his 'simple secret' would be out of the bag and they wouldn't need Kapanadze any more. If Kapanadaze is legit, this is
possibly the problem he has so far been unable to solve. Add to this that Kapanadze is apparently maybe more than
a little paranoid about being ripped off and has also apparently shown himself to be erratic in business dealings
and you have a very tricky situation at best. :)

All the best...

Quote from: Void on January 05, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
Hi Theoretical Research. Nonsense.  I have very clearly not suggested that I think there are
many legit free energy inventors out there. I have said that I think Kapanadze is one of the
more credible claimants I have personally come across over the years, but that of course in no way
means I think his devices are certainly legit. I have actually also pointed out that most free energy device
claims actually turn out to be either people who are mistaken, hoaxers, or outright scammers.

I have mentioned other claims and speculations about free energy devices and inventors, but in no way have
I suggested that I assume there are many legit devices out there. ;) That is a complete fabrication
on your part. Since it appears you have not been bothering to read my comments, I won't waste
further time commenting on this to you. You should understand however that your apparent assumption
that Kapanadze is most probably a fake is really just an unproven assumption. Until I see some actual evidence
that Kapanadze has faked his devices, then I personally will leave the possibility open that his devices might be legit.
Assumptions are not evidence. ;)

All the best...

The problem is that you keep reasoning with yourself why inventors of free energy devices haven't been able to get the technology to the public. Instead of posting about all of that you should try to be more realistic. The Kapanadze device is a prime example. You've repeatedly defended it despite that it's been at least 13 years. Come on. There's a thing called being delusional.

Quote from: Void on January 05, 2018, 03:07:51 PM
Hi Forest. Yes, as I have pointed out, if Kapanadze's devices are legit [snip]

Smh, 13 years he hasn't been able find an investor. He hasn't figured out that he can sell the devices without an investor by starting out small and reinvesting profits to buy more materials to make more, eventually hiring other people to make the devices. Nothing. Nothing but flawed logic. So he's afraid to take the device to a University and allow the scientists to take everything apart to verify it's not a fake, but yet he expects to sell millions of the devices? Did it occur to anyone that the act of selling the device means everyone can learn how to make the device?

I was told correct. It's a fake. All I see is a bunch of people at these forums who seem to have an invested interest in steering hobbyist in the wrong direction. Hm, go figure!

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
There's a thing called being delusional.

Yes, I see evidence of this pretty much every day. ;)

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 11:12:53 AM
Come on now. Not in this timeline.

Yes, in this timeline and every other.
It is irrefutable.
Say what you will, but the simple fact is
Your oil lamp sits above its fluid reservoir
Yet needs no oil pump


The wick-wheel continues to rotate forever.


Capillary action is OU.
The time masters cannot make that one go away

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 05, 2018, 03:41:14 PM

Yes, in this timeline and every other.
It is irrefutable.
Say what you will, but the simple fact is
Your oil lamp sits above its fluid reservoir
Yet needs no oil pump


The wick-wheel continues to rotate forever.


Capillary action is OU.
The time masters cannot make that one go away

Oh my. Could you & the void please do all of the poor PhD academics around the world a favor and finally once and for all let those poor scientists test your amazing devices that you so firmly believe to exist?

The wick-wheel has a thread on this forum, it's been here for over a decade.
The instructable is simple. Water reservoir, capillaries, a wick to drip on the wheel
and of course a low mass wheel to spin from the dripping water, which returns to its reservoir.
It is easily replicatable in many designs, and the only argument so far to date is "evaporation"
Which we know how to prevent.
The ones that weren't made of paper, are still spinning.



Talking to the collegiate professors is of no use.
Any of them that are worth their title already know the truth.
And they are well aware of their schools relationship with the accreditation board.
They willingly lie to their students for a paycheck.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 05, 2018, 08:28:34 PM
The wick-wheel has a thread on this forum, it's been here for over a decade.
The instructable is simple. Water reservoir, capillaries, a wick to drip on the wheel
and of course a low mass wheel to spin from the dripping water, which returns to its reservoir.
It is easily replicatable in many designs, and the only argument so far to date is "evaporation"
Which we know how to prevent.
The ones that weren't made of paper, are still spinning.

Can you post a link to this wick-wheel thread? It doesn't seem to be popular thread anymore. If it self-runs endlessly without the need of adding water or anything then it should be a hot topic.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 05, 2018, 08:28:34 PM
Talking to the collegiate professors is of no use.
Any of them that are worth their title already know the truth.
And they are well aware of their schools relationship with the accreditation board.
They willingly lie to their students for a paycheck.

I see no evidence of your claim. Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Perhaps to release anger.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 08:36:50 PM
I see no evidence of your claim. Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Perhaps to release anger.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 08:11:58 PM
If that's your video and you're actually trying to prove something, then one suggestion is to add references, preferably peer reviewed references. I've never heard of any such silly accusations against Stanford University. Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

You sound like a broken record!  ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
Oh my. Could you & the void please do all of the poor PhD academics around the world a favor and finally once and for all let those poor scientists test your amazing devices that you so firmly believe to exist?

Do you not even know what timeline your in? 

You better snap back to reality, or ask MM what reality you are in.

Quote from: gravityblock on January 05, 2018, 08:47:27 PM
You sound like a broken record!  ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock

Ah I see. So you people are in the middle of cosplay fantasizing-- Evidence is unwelcome. Sorry to disturb the playtime.

Quote from: mikemongo on January 05, 2018, 10:09:13 PM
Do you not even know what timeline your in? 

You better snap back to reality, or ask MM what reality you are in.

Wow!! Such a powerful mind. You go, man! ;)

I missed the forum intro, "Evidence & critical thinking skills are unwanted." smh

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 11:33:42 PM
Ah I see. So you people are in the middle of cosplay fantasizing-- Evidence is unwelcome. Sorry to disturb the playtime.

The above is a psychological projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) by you.  A psychological projection is when a person defends themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. It is you who has ignored and not welcomed the evidence, and not us.

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on January 06, 2018, 12:29:22 AM
The above is a psychological projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) by you.  A psychological projection is when a person defends themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. It is you who has ignored and not welcomed the evidence, and not us.

What evidence? You've failed to provide evidence of your conspiracy theory attack against Stanford University. Nobody here has published rational evidence of a free energy self-running device. If you think otherwise, then you're simply delusional. Look around and you'll see I'm one of the few who's asking for evidence. So the forum still resembles a cosplay fantasy hangout. Hey, I like a good fantasy like everyone else, but not when it borderlines on being severely delusional. Are you sure you people aren't hurting each other with endless false hope? I'll be checking out of this place, soon.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 06, 2018, 12:38:20 AM
What evidence? You've failed to provide evidence of your conspiracy theory attack against Stanford University. Nobody here has rational evidence of a free energy self-running device. If you think otherwise, then you're simply delusional. Look around and you'll see I'm one of the few who's asking for evidence. So the forum still resembles a cosplay fantasy hangout. Hey, I like a good fantasy like everyone else, but not when it borderlines on being severely delusional. Are you sure you people aren't hurting each other with endless false hope? I'll be checking out of this place, soon.

Of course anyone can deny anything and many do willfully deny REALITY and TRUTH with the FREE WILL they were created with. (Which they might also deny.)

You can buy em books and buy em books; but all most will ever do is eat the covers.

Something comes to mind about "casting Pearls".

"When all the stars are falling down
Into the sea and on the ground,
And angry voices carry on the wind,
A beam of light will fill your head
And you'll remember what's been said
By all the good men this world's ever known.
Another man is what you'll see,
Who looks like you and looks like me,
And yet somehow he will not feel the same,
His life caught up in misery, he doesn't think like you and me,
'Cause he can't see what you and I can see."

http://www.bing.com/search?q=melancholy+man+moody+blues+youtube&qs=SC&pq=meloncholy+man&sk=SC7&sc=8-14&cvid=C3BFCFDBE38A413689D01CA7C49DFF76&FORM=QBLH&sp=8&ghc=1

Everyone of "US" does learn TRUTH in the end of our time here in "the material world" which is an ILL-usion.

http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/power.html

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on January 06, 2018, 01:13:54 AM
[snip]
Everyone of "US" does learn TRUTH in the end of our time here in "the material world" which is an ILL-usion.
[snip]

"ILL-usion" or not. So far mainstream has proven that science is the best method of learning. I would encourage you to take science more seriously by being more careful in what you assume is truth. Try to use math when possible. Test your ideas. Test what you believe.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on Today at 02:28:34 AM (http://overunity.com/17497/2020/msg515103/#msg515103)

QuoteThe wick-wheel has a thread on this forum, it's been here for over a decade.
The instructable is simple. Water reservoir, capillaries, a wick to drip on the wheel
and of course a low mass wheel to spin from the dripping water, which returns to its reservoir.
It is easily replicatable in many designs, and the only argument so far to date is "evaporation"
Which we know how to prevent.
The ones that weren't made of paper, are still spinning.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 05, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
Can you post a link to this wick-wheel thread? It doesn't seem to be popular thread anymore. If it self-runs endlessly without the need of adding water or anything then it should be a hot topic.

As you no doubt know, capillary action, contrary to the claims above, does not violate any laws of thermodynamics and is not "overunity" or a source of free energy.
The Wicky Wheel isn't overunity, nor is it a perpetual motion machine, any more than a "thirsty bird" toy is. It's a heat engine.

@sm0ky2: Google "capillary thermodynamics" for more information.... if you dare.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 06, 2018, 01:21:25 AM
"ILL-usion" or not. So far mainstream has proven that science is the best method of learning. I would encourage you to take science more seriously by being more careful in what you assume is truth. Try to use math when possible. Test your ideas. Test what you believe.

☤ Scientism Exposed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIGrEtPMmE) 📡 a "Science Falsely So Called" Documentary Film.

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on January 06, 2018, 01:31:03 AM
☤ Scientism Exposed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIGrEtPMmE) 📡 a "Science Falsely So Called" Documentary Film.

Gravock

Wow. If you don't like what mainstream science has given you, then sell all of your technology and go live in a cave. Sorry, but you're truly messed up inside.

Quote from: gravityblock on January 06, 2018, 01:13:54 AM
Of course anyone can deny anything and many do willfully deny REALITY and TRUTH with the FREE WILL they were created with. (Which they might also deny.)

You can buy em books and buy em books; but all most will ever do is eat the covers.

Something comes to mind about "casting Pearls".

"When all the stars are falling down
Into the sea and on the ground,
And angry voices carry on the wind,
A beam of light will fill your head
And you'll remember what's been said
By all the good men this world's ever known.
Another man is what you'll see,
Who looks like you and looks like me,
And yet somehow he will not feel the same,
His life caught up in misery, he doesn't think like you and me,
'Cause he can't see what you and I can see."

http://www.bing.com/search?q=melancholy+man+moody+blues+youtube&qs=SC&pq=meloncholy+man&sk=SC7&sc=8-14&cvid=C3BFCFDBE38A413689D01CA7C49DFF76&FORM=QBLH&sp=8&ghc=1

Everyone of "US" does learn TRUTH in the end of our time here in "the material world" which is an ILL-usion.

http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/power.html

Gravock

It's tough to be a melancholy man when/if people like yourself give me reason to smile.  ;D

"I'll be checking out of this place, soon." To where I wonder? - since after all: "Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement ....."  :)  :)  :) So where else is there for one to go at check out time? LOL

It's partly because kapanadze do not want to reveal secret but MOSTLY because once investors realize they cannot protect such simple method from being copied all over the world they refuse to invest in it. They even do not need to know details but the principle for example.
A hard tough nut to crack

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Quote from: forest on January 06, 2018, 05:04:23 AM
It's partly because kapanadze do not want to reveal secret but MOSTLY because once investors realize they cannot protect such simple method from being copied all over the world they refuse to invest in it. They even do not need to know details but the principle for example.
A hard tough nut to crack

Hi forest. It is possible. However there is lots of potential for big money to be made if someone
really has a free energy device, so I think whether a given device configuration is patent-able or
not, it should still be of interest to investors, etc. from a business point of view. Anyway, maybe after
Tariel passes on his son will get some sort of deal done, assuming the devices are legit, and assuming
Tariel's son knows how to build them. :)

All the best...

Let's look at the facts:

Kapanadze:
Has demonstrated his devices many times in front of a number of independent
witnesses. A number of times has allowed witnesses to be right up close to his devices and inspect
wires and make current measurements and that sort of thing. 
Also, it would seem his public demonstration in Turkey and his apparent demonstration on
an island arranged by potential investors which seems to also be supported by the video clip
that was released would be pretty difficult to fake, if a person is being realistic about it. It is
not proof that his devices are legit, but the Turkey and island demos in particular add even
more credibility to his claims in my own personal opinion.


Theoretical Research:
Hasn't demonstrated anything at all credible to people, so as yet cannot support his claims of a self
runner in any way. Implies free energy claimants should get their devices independently tested in a reputable
testing lab if they are legit, but has not done this himself, and likely will make all sorts of excuses of why he
won't do so ad infinitum. All indications are so far he is just another attention seeking troll with very poor reasoning
abilities to boot. :) At any rate, since he hasn't yet demonstrated anything at all that might support his claims in any
reasonable sort of way, it appears he is so far pretty low on the credibility scale in regards to free energy device claimants.
Lots of hot air and hand waving so far, but not able to show anything credible that would support the claim of a
self runner. Don't be fooled.  :)


All the best...

Quote from: Void on January 06, 2018, 12:16:07 PM
Let's look at the facts:

Kapanadze:
Has demonstrated his devices many times in front of a number of independent
witnesses. A number of times has allowed witnesses to be right up close to his devices and inspect
wires and make current measurements and that sort of thing. 
Also, it would seem his public demonstration in Turkey and his apparent demonstration on
an island arranged by potential investors which seems to also be supported by the video clip
that was released would be pretty difficult to fake, if a person is being realistic about it. It is
not proof that his devices are legit, but the Turkey and island demos in particular add even
more credibility to his claims in my own personal opinion.


Theoretical Research:
Hasn't demonstrated anything at all credible to people, so as yet cannot support his claims of a self
runner in any way. Implies free energy claimants should get their devices independently tested in a reputable
testing lab if they are legit, but has not done this himself, and likely will make all sorts of excuses of why he
won't do so ad infinitum. All indications are so far he is just another attention seeking troll with very poor reasoning
abilities to boot. :) At any rate, since he hasn't yet demonstrated anything at all that might support his claims in any
reasonable sort of way, it appears he is so far pretty low on the credibility scale in regards to free energy device claimants.
Lots of hot air and hand waving so far, but not able to show anything credible that would support the claim of a
self runner. Don't be fooled.  :)


All the best...

Kapanadze is the one who's looking for investors and demonstrating his device. Not me. That's a very simple concept. Not sure why you're confused about that.

Kapanadze hasn't accomplish anything in 13 years. A 7 year old kid could have had the device marketed a decade ago. You're dreaming up excuses why nothing's happened. It's a fake. Get over it and stop misleading researchers by giving them false hope.

Although I have made the mistake of publishing the exact designs of a device that demonstrates the free energy effect, including part numbers the exact magnetic core, IC part numbers, etc.  I'm not worried, knowing it would take humans a long time to figure out how to turn that effect into a self-runner.

Furthermore, this forum would be the last place on Earth I'd post the designs to a self-runner. I wouldn't take the chance of the letting government putting out the fire, even if that chance is small. I'd make a bunch of the devices and freely give them to numerous students at various notable Universities. Students who are in the more advanced science classes.

Big brother doesn't have to worry about me giving humanity anything. I see humanity in it's present state as a horrifying virus that's harming the living planet, who has no respect for other lifeforms and the natural environment, who enslaves animals. You're growing up. There's hope for you, but I don't trust you, yet, and probably won't for a long time. Earlier this morning I made the final decision that I won't be giving humanity science & technology that would lead to more power.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 06, 2018, 12:35:02 PM
I see humanity in it's present state as a horrifying virus that's harming the living planet, who has no respect for other lifeforms and the natural environment, who enslaves animals. You're growing up. There's hope for you, but I don't trust you, yet, and probably won't for a long time. Earlier this morning I made the final decision that I won't be giving humanity science & technology that would lead to more power.

Hi Theoretical Research. I don't disagree that humans are very destructive and
it appears to me that the world is heading in a very destructive direction right now.
The future of this Earth looks very grim to me right now.
All the more reason that any free energy devices, if legit, need to be released as soon as possible, IMO.

You seem to be distinguishing yourself from humanity. Are you an alien, or are you suffering
from a messiah complex? 


All the best...

Quote from: Void on January 06, 2018, 11:43:52 AM


Hi forest. It is possible. However there is lots of potential for big money to be made if someone
really has a free energy device, so I think whether a given device configuration is patent-able or
not, it should still be of interest to investors, etc. from a business point of view. Anyway, maybe after
Tariel passes on his son will get some sort of deal done, assuming the devices are legit, and assuming
Tariel's son knows how to build them. :)

All the best...

Actually it's quite the opposite.
Free energy would mean a decrease in spending (at least on what is currently bought)


95% of the cost of providing almost everything in our modern society is a direct result of energy costs.
From harvesting the resources, processing, production, packaging, distribution, and even the lights at the
retail store so you can see what you are buying, and the registers that compute the sale.
and with the exception of taxes, it all ends up in the hands of the energy companies.


If free energy was available to all, productivity would increase exponentially, and costs would plummet.
There is lots of potential for money to be redistributed, not hoarded by a small few.

Hi Sm0ky2. Come on man. :)  I am obviously talking about the manufacture and sale of
free energy devices, which would be required to 'harvest' this 'free energy'. There is no question that
there is a lot of money to be made if free energy devices ever do become available.

All the best...

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 06, 2018, 01:22:07 AMQuote from: sm0ky2 on Today at 02:28:34 AM (http://overunity.com/17497/2020/msg515103/#msg515103)As you no doubt know, capillary action, contrary to the claims above, does not violate any laws of thermodynamics and is not "overunity" or a source of free energy. The Wicky Wheel isn't overunity, nor is it a perpetual motion machine, any more than a "thirsty bird" toy is. It's a heat engine.  @sm0ky2: Google "capillary thermodynamics" for more information.... if you dare.

Thank you TK. I was just trying to make a point to TR,
It seems he is slowly changing his spiritual-science morphology, and replacing it with
a new-age belief system, I was hoping to spark his awakening in the interim.


I don't know if they are ready for a true understanding of that,
but what the hell the cats out of the bag now.


Yes, wick-wheel is actually "renewable" energy.
But to prove that I have to redefine gravity.
On a comprehensive level, all "free energy" comes from some source.
And by this fact, Overunity is a unicorn, like the "closed system" that defines it.
Both are impossible, or equivalently non-existent.

When we don't know what that source is, or cannot definitively identify it,people tend to assign some mystical force or ability, or call it perpetual.
Capillary is actually a demonstration of Bernoulli's "virtual work".
The wick-wheel, (when observed from the outside to be thermally isolated),is exactly like an inverted drinking-bird toy.
The drinking bird converts heat into gravitational potential, then to kinetic energy.
The wick-wheel converts surface-tension into gravitational potential into heatthen into kinetic energy.
(in isolation, internal temperature increases as a result of work done by gravity)
[which itself is like chasing unicorns, a "closed-system which allows gravity to enter"]


Different fluids have different surface tensions,
We can use oils and vapors with the use of surfactants to make self-operating fluid pumps


we can cause the same effectwithout capillaries, using the surface tension of plasmas (ion-wind surfing)


But we are mostly talking about water.
since the surface tension of air has negligible effects,and for all intensive purposes, the pressure at the interface is = 1 (atm)


We can assume the density of my water and your water to be the same, originating from thesame reservoir and being treated with a Tx standard water treatment process.
However, comparisons to other water densities does not result in a great range of h of the meniscus.


For accuracy we could all use purified water, but it doesn't really matter.
Surface tension is the defining factor, we can alter this with contaminants,but let us assume it is some average value for drinking water.


We are using cylindrical tubes, with a narrow internal diameter,but this is merely a convenience, this can be done with flat surfaces or any shape we choose.
But let us assume that our tubes are identical within our experiments and closely similar to each others, so that the variables are minimized.
The two forces at play are gravity and the anteforce caused by surface tension.
for this reason, the capillary effect is gravity-dependent.


In no container or in a container with large distances between walls,
The reaction of the tension to the gravitational force results in a flat surface, perpendicular tothe force.
In a small cylindrical capillary, the surface tension adheres the water to the inner wallsof the tube.
with the tube oriented vertically, the downward force of gravity on the surface of the water, and theanteforce of the tension result in a pressure differential, which causes an increase in temperature and gravitational potential energy.
We can calculate the potential, by the mass of water and it's height dispersed up the tube.
And with exception to the water contained in a thickness of the meniscus, this potential energycan be extracted.


The change in internal temperature is proportional to the change in pressure inside the capillary.
plus some minimal frictional constant.
The volume, being a constant cylindrical height of the water column, allows us to calculate the change in internal pressure.
We don't really know what the pressure is, because we cannot measure it.
we can only back-door the equations by measuring the change in other variables.
Since we hold most of these constant, the change in temperature over the volume defines the internal change in pressure.
(since frictional heat adds to total change in T, it's already accounted for)
this is a very small value of heat, but is thermodynamically important, because the change in pressure is significant, within a very small volume.
The flow of the water is derived from the surface tension force remaining after gravity, at height h'which is some point lower than the h of the water column (minus the thickness of the meniscus)
and its' volume and density (which we hold constant)
This is in the unit of Newton-seconds per Meter
Which define both the momentum of the flowing water
AND its' viscosity.


We can do this experiment many times across the planet,and within the variances I stated above (and some that aren't worth getting into)
That value is ~8.9 (x10^-4) Ns/m
This is generally taken as a truncated value of the cube-root of the volume
applied to an infinitesimal layer-boundary within the cylinder.


This is waters natural ability to raise its own potential energy
and is a major part ofthe earths hydrology and primary biological force driving metabolic processes in most plant life.
Without gravity, neither of these things would occur.
(evaporation is a separate process)


As it pertains to evaporation and thermal absorbtion into the wick-wheel,
This is isolated by several inches of transparent polyurethane, and placed into a low pressureair chamber, allowing a few inches of air-space between the environment and the sealed device.
and assembled internally after all parts have reach thermal equilibrium.
This reduces thermal conductivity between the isolated system and the environment
to the order of (10^-3).
Which is enough to perform our experiments.


We find that the force, against gravity, caused by gravity (huh?) is precisely 8.9 x (10^-4) Ns/m
and that this is only affected by the diameter of the tube.


The height at which the volume's mass then balances with the force of gravity,
We find to precisely coincide with the well known Laplace equations and the work done by
Thomas Young.


This height defines our wheel size (being something lower than the bottom of the meniscus)
The internal changes in temperature are orders of magnitude lower than the external thermal conductivity and so can be negated in this experiment.


We have only the increase in gravitational potential energy over time. J/s or Liquid Watts.


This analysis contradicts certain core assumptions of the derivational gravity constant.
From which it is formed.


So to prove one, means the other must be incomplete.
Like Einstein's theories of relativity.


But until someone come up with a gravity model that accounts for the energy flow,
We have to work with what we've got.


The wick-wheel, or rather capillary effects in general, help us to improve our view of gravity.


And allow us to measure it with increasing accuracy.


I'm sure the all-knowing, everpresent "Google" has a lot of information (and misinformation)on this subject. Being that it has been studied for decades (NASA did this way before we did)
data should be plentiful.


So, in a technical sense, no the wick-wheel is not "OU".
But it is for us because of two factors:
One - the gravitational potential well extends beyond anywhere most of us will go in our lifetimes.And two: our current model does not have a standardized viewpoint of the energy source.
Both of these must be explicitly defined.
I can prove the first.
And with the first I could prove the second.
But when I prove the second it proves the first must also include a perpendicular vector withan additional component that does not exist in the first.


It does  exist in some models, in fact it is in the maxwellian model, but is discarded in the general view.


Before we can truly call this a gravity-powered heat-pump or gravity-generator,
We have to clearly define how gravity is a "source".


So until then it is as perpetual as the solar-yard art of the da Vinci in the 14-1500's
Archimedes screw,
or the sound-resonator of Tet (perpendicular tuning forks)


Our science isn't prepared to deal with this sort of thing.


There's no such thing as 'perpetual motion', except in the Newtonian, maxwellian,einsteinium,Ideal frictionless, massless, gravityles imaginary space-time, where an object in motion keeps going.


Here in the real world there must be a "source".
We don't know what possible sources there could be.
We only know the sources we have discovered, identified, and reproduced.

And only then can a theory be written to describe it.
We can do these things, but the theory disrupts the above mentioned predecessors.
And will by default have to include quantum unknown variables. (May help to define one)
Before any committee of scientists will even glance in its' direction.

It can take a lifetime to understand the predecessor theories, another to write the theory, and a third for it to be accepted.
That type of person only comes along every 500-600 years. And it's really up to them if they do anything with their minds. We're due for one, and that one may already be among us or not born yet.
Will he appear in 2020 to bring us into salvation?
I don't think that it is likely for us to predict the date of such things.

Quote from: Void on January 06, 2018, 01:27:42 PM
Hi Sm0ky2. Come on man. :)  I am obviously talking about the manufacture and sale of
free energy devices, which would be required to 'harvest' this 'free energy'. There is no question that
there is a lot of money to be made if free energy devices ever do become available.

All the best...

I don't know your plans for when such a thing happens.
Personally I believe there are already processes in place,
by which all such machines
are instantly dismantled, reverse engineered, and placed in public view.
while the rights to sale and mass distribution are protected by patent law,
the scientific knowledge, operating principals and advancements that result there from,
are certainly NOT.


And as soon as one hits the market, everyone will know how to build them.
and be learning how to build a better one.


no one would willingly pay an energy bill if they knew it was free

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 06, 2018, 12:35:02 PM
Although I have made the mistake of publishing the exact designs of a device that demonstrates the free energy effect, including part numbers the exact magnetic core, IC part numbers, etc.  I'm not worried, knowing it would take humans a long time to figure out how to turn that effect into a self-runner.

Furthermore, this forum would be the last place on Earth I'd post the designs to a self-runner. I wouldn't take the chance of the letting government putting out the fire, even if that chance is small. I'd make a bunch of the devices and freely give them to numerous students at various notable Universities. Students who are in the more advanced science classes.

Big brother doesn't have to worry about me giving humanity anything. I see humanity in it's present state as a horrifying virus that's harming the living planet, who has no respect for other lifeforms and the natural environment, who enslaves animals. You're growing up. There's hope for you, but I don't trust you, yet, and probably won't for a long time. Earlier this morning I made the final decision that I won't be giving humanity science & technology that would lead to more power.

Big brother fuels the fire for us.
No we will never get scientific recognition for posting things here.
But you can look at history and see the U.S. military has already taken devices straight
off our pages. Sometimes they even copy and paste our posts to teach their scientists.
We are at the top of Google with most relevant scientific subjects, the whole world sees what happens here.


The difference is, nothing shared here becomes classified. It's already in the public domain, so these
technologies make their way into the public domain.


The problem still exists that the corporate entities are selling us the benefits at the same market value as
the old-world fuel technologies. (coal, oil, gas, nuclear)


When they only pay for initial materials costs.
Eventually the free market will balance this out (in areas that enforce monopoly law on energy producers)
But that may take time, or a lot more ingenuity.

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 06, 2018, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: sm0ky2 on Today at 02:28:34 AM (http://overunity.com/17497/2020/msg515103/#msg515103)

As you no doubt know, capillary action, contrary to the claims above, does not violate any laws of thermodynamics and is not "overunity" or a source of free energy.
The Wicky Wheel isn't overunity, nor is it a perpetual motion machine, any more than a "thirsty bird" toy is. It's a heat engine.

@sm0ky2: Google "capillary thermodynamics" for more information.... if you dare.

I know nothing about thermodynamic. Take no offence. I want to ask a serious questions about the the laws of thermodynamic. If these laws are so universal to this extent, can we use the laws of thermodynamic to analyze the following phenomena. 


1) Soak a heat pipe in liquid Nitrogen and check if the capillary effect stops?


2) Prof. David Jone's Bicycle Wheels have been spinning for 38 years. They are still spinning at different locations. Can we use the laws of thermodynamic to predict when it is going to stop?


3) Our satellites have been orbiting our earth all the time? Can we use the these laws to predict when they are going to stop.


4) We have seen a lot of explosions, earthquakes and climate changes in this planet. There have not been any papers suggesting any real mathematical models of explosions, earthquakes or climate changes based on the laws of thermodynamics. Perhaps, if these laws are so powerful to this extent, we can come up with one.


Those dunking birds locally manufactured in Europe are based on a heat engine simply because they are thirsty. But I am sure there are suppliers of non-thirsty ones.

1). No. Liquids turn into solid below their freezing point, except when under extreme pressure.
Which changes the capillary constraints, but then yes, capillary still occurs.
it is a function of gravity, temperature is a side effect, and will actually heat up your nitrogen.


2) the sterling engine electrophorus in the technisches museum
Is a heat engine. A slow moving sterling operating on ambient heat.
The Volta double electrophorus is there for show.


3) satellites are powered by fuel or by nuclear reactors and thermonuclear electric generators.
    Booster rockets navigate them into proper position for their orbits.
Without this, they fall.


4) i think we need a lot more data before we try.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 06, 2018, 11:17:17 PM

3) satellites are powered by fuel or by nuclear reactors and thermonuclear electric generators.
    Booster rockets navigate them into proper position for their orbits.
Without this, they fall.

Satellites are tethered to helium balloons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfsBpwy2DhA).  <----- This is one of the ways NASA makes the illusion that satellites in outer space exist. 

16 other techniques that are being used to substitute satellites are:

1. GPS uses Cel-tower triangulation not Satellites
2 Undersea Cables
3. High Altitude Airships (HAA)
4. High Altitude Platforms (HAP)
5. Lighter-than-air vehicles (LAV)
6. High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE)
7. High Altitude Long Operation (HALO)
8. StratSat
9. Airborne Relay Communication (ARC)
10. HeliPlat which connects to the HeliNet System
11. High Altitude Shuttle System (HASS)
12. Small Balloon Systems (SBS)
13. Nano Balloon Systems (NBS)
14. Google Loon System
15. Stratospheric Platform Systems (SPS)
16. High Altitude Long Endurance Demonstrator (HALE-D)

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on January 07, 2018, 03:01:08 AM
Satellites are tethered to helium balloons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfsBpwy2DhA).  <----- This is one of the ways NASA makes the illusion that satellites in outer space exist. 

16 other techniques that are being used to substitute satellites are:

1. GPS uses Cel-tower triangulation not Satellites
2 Undersea Cables
3. High Altitude Airships (HAA)
4. High Altitude Platforms (HAP)
5. Lighter-than-air vehicles (LAV)
6. High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE)
7. High Altitude Long Operation (HALO)
8. StratSat
9. Airborne Relay Communication (ARC)
10. HeliPlat which connects to the HeliNet System
11. High Altitude Shuttle System (HASS)
12. Small Balloon Systems (SBS)
13. Nano Balloon Systems (NBS)
14. Google Loon System
15. Stratospheric Platform Systems (SPS)
16. High Altitude Long Endurance Demonstrator (HALE-D)

Gravock

NASA is one of the largest consumers of helium!  ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 06, 2018, 11:17:17 PM
1). No. Liquids turn into solid below their freezing point, except when under extreme pressure.
Which changes the capillary constraints, but then yes, capillary still occurs.
it is a function of gravity, temperature is a side effect, and will actually heat up your nitrogen.


How about those heat exchangers using liquid nitrogen or liquid argon. Are you saying that they have no surface tension at all?

2) the sterling engine electrophorus in the technisches museum
Is a heat engine. A slow moving sterling operating on ambient heat.
The Volta double electrophorus is there for show.

Have you actually built one of these? How did you know the technical details?
My point is these bicycle wheels have been spinning for 38 years. Can you use the laws of thermodynamics to predict when they are going to stop?




3) satellites are powered by fuel or by nuclear reactors and thermonuclear electric generators.
    Booster rockets navigate them into proper position for their orbits.
Without this, they fall.


For this part, I cannot comment. It seems like a political issue rather than a scientific issue.  Some countries have lost some objects in the space before and they could not get them back. Before NK sent their satellite to the vertical orbit, many thought it would not be possible. I think it also depends on the height of the orbit.

4) i think we need a lot more data before we try.

The following are two different home versions of Jones's bicycle wheel. I am not able to spot any sterling engine or electrophorus. They have been spinning for 38 years.

https://cn.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=hFc7%2fk96&id=5028DB1961237C84E2F966E5F6EA7E361B926425&thid=OIP.hFc7_k96Uy6ibcr85inzXgFNC7&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fichef-1.bbci.co.uk%2fnews%2f1024%2fcpsprodpb%2f15AA7%2fproduction%2f_98334788_p05k34x7.jpg&exph=576&expw=1024&q=david+jones+perpetual+motion+washington&simid=608004299826204265&selectedIndex=3&ajaxhist=0


https://cn.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=7HAvNdQC&id=EC271AD0DAE554D2474CBF9582D285AB03832800&thid=OIP.7HAvNdQCSu8AijBgFY-USwEADz&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.swiss-miss.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2flegacy%2fphotos%2funcategorized%2f2007%2f10%2f02%2fperpetual1.jpg&exph=381&expw=400&q=david+jones+perpetual+motion+washington&simid=608024224175557211&selectedIndex=1&ajaxhist=0


The museum version has been modified by Prof Poliakoff.

Each of dr jone's devices operate from energy sources all around us
That was his point.
Like Da Vinci's yard art


For example, the image in the second link (triangle shaped thing)
this has a dual-Thermoacoustic resonator driving the wheel.
we know this device today as the "free-piston sterling engine"


These devices (under normal earth conditions) will operate until
their parts break down.


In extreme conditions (mid-winter outside?) they will stop,
and return to operation when it is warmer.
Or brighter, louder, more pressure, whatever the driving mechanism is.
He used everything he could think of, to build machines that,
for all intensive purposes, perpetuate.


Energy potentials is all you need to look for.
The devices are designed to transfer the energy from one
potential to the other.


Any two points have 'some potential'.
They can be electric, thermal, physical,
magnetic, gravitational, etc.

Dr. David Jones said his spinning bicycle wheel devices were not perpetual motion.
He also said they contain various distractions to try to throw people off on how they work. 
Dr. Jones is reported to have written down how they work in a letter which was supposed to
be given to his former colleague after his death. I think he died in July 2017 or thereabouts.

You can read more about this here: 
"Will the perpetual motion notion finally be revealed?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4762778/How-riddle-bike-wheel-finally-solved.html


All the best...

The wheel is driven by a linear motor powered by photovoltaic cells.

The simplest solution is often the best solution.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 06, 2018, 12:38:20 AM
I'll be checking out of this place, soon.

Quote from: Temporal Visitor on January 06, 2018, 05:01:26 AM
"I'll be checking out of this place, soon." To where I wonder? - since after all: "Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement ....."  :) :) :) So where else is there for one to go at check out time? LOL

He's not going anywhere and won't be checking out...  ROFLMAO!!! 

"We are here",  "We are watching you"  <-----(Theoretical Research is portraying himself as being a Watcher)----->  Enoch 14: ¹ This is the book of the words of righteousness, and of the reproof of the Watchers, who belong to the world, according to that which He, who is holy and great, commanded in the vision. I perceived in my dream, that I was now speaking with a tongue of flesh, and with my breath, which the Mighty One has put into the mouth of men, that they might converse with it. ² And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures. ³ Judgment has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you. ⁴ From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He[God] has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures. ⁵ But before these things you shall behold the destruction of your beloved sons; you shall not possess them, but they shall fall before you by the sword. ⁶ Neither shall you entreat for them, not for yourselves; ⁷ But you shall weep and supplicate in silence. The words of the book which I wrote.

Gravock

Well; that is an interesting observation.

It is thought provoking for any with the will to have an open mind and use it.

"NEVER" is very clearly not the kind of "future" anyone in their right (or left) mind would enjoy.

Well, he destroyed his artificial persona the first round,
Changed names and returned.
My guess if he Does "check out",he will return soon, perhaps with
a new name, and alter his agenda to fit his new avatar.

[size=78%]For me, the triangle shaped thing looks more like a broken Yagi antenna.[/size]
[size=78%]Perhaps, this antenna has purposefully sucked all the energy from the exhibition.[/size]
[size=78%]His Nobel price was not in bicycle wheels.[/size]
[size=78%]His home version doesn't has any antenna attached. It has been filmed by BBC:[/size]
[size=78%]
[/size]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 07, 2018, 09:10:02 AM
Each of dr jone's devices operate from energy sources all around us
That was his point.
Like Da Vinci's yard art


For example, the image in the second link (triangle shaped thing)
this has a dual-Thermoacoustic resonator driving the wheel.
we know this device today as the "free-piston sterling engine"


These devices (under normal earth conditions) will operate until
their parts break down.


In extreme conditions (mid-winter outside?) they will stop,
and return to operation when it is warmer.
Or brighter, louder, more pressure, whatever the driving mechanism is.
He used everything he could think of, to build machines that,
for all intensive purposes, perpetuate.


Energy potentials is all you need to look for.
The devices are designed to transfer the energy from one
potential to the other.


Any two points have 'some potential'.
They can be electric, thermal, physical,
magnetic, gravitational, etc.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on January 07, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
The wheel is driven by a linear motor powered by photovoltaic cells.

The simplest solution is often the best solution.

i think its spinning in the evening time as well.
For my part, i would toss plutonium.
The health authority of Fukashima  has proven that plutonium is sweet and safe.

Quote from: Void on January 07, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Dr. David Jones said his spinning bicycle wheel devices were not perpetual motion.
He also said they contain various distractions to try to throw people off on how they work. 
Dr. Jones is reported to have written down how they work in a letter which was supposed to
be given to his former colleague after his death. I think he died in July 2017 or thereabouts.

You can read more about this here: 
"Will the perpetual motion notion finally be revealed?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4762778/How-riddle-bike-wheel-finally-solved.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4762778/How-riddle-bike-wheel-finally-solved.html)


All the best...

I agree. Here is the secret mantra:


"There is no free energy in this world."
"There is no such thing as perpetual motion machine."
"Laws of thermodynamics are all we need".


If you recite this mantra 10,000 times in a week, it will protect you from any attack in any discussion forums.
If you recite this mantra exp(10,000,000) times in a week, it will protect from any insult due to major "scientific scandals".
If you recite this mantra tan(-pi/1.99999999999) times in a week, it will protect from any failure in your research career (if any).


I am just joking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M

Quote from: blueplanet on January 09, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
[size=78%]For me, the triangle shaped thing looks more like a broken Yagi antenna.[/size]
[size=78%]Perhaps, this antenna has purposefully sucked all the energy from the exhibition.[/size]
[size=78%]His Nobel price was not in bicycle wheels.[/size]
[size=78%]His home version doesn't has any antenna attached. It has been filmed by BBC:[/size]
[size=78%]
[/size]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBNn-ids6M)

The machine at his brothers house runs on a voltaic pile
a slow-chemical Battery, that will run for about 60 years
a pulse circuit, a high voltage transformer, and rectifier
The high voltage DC is placed on two point-conductors
Located on either side of the battery/circuit box
The positive is round and the negative pointed
(for reasons I won't get into here)
The brass buttons on the inner periphery attract and repel
this machines operates on attraction and repulsion of the electric field



Attraction to the +round point
And a slightly stronger repulsion from the pointed -electrode.




——————————————————-
Not sure what a "yagi antenna" is, I'll look into that later
The pipes are Thermo-acoustic resonators
Fairly simple technology, not commonly used.


That's the stuff Dr Jones liked.
The things that make you go "hmmm"

Quote from: Theoretical Research on November 15, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
1) Self-runner that will produce well over 1W

Update: 2021 in this timeline. It's for your own good. Congrats! Patience is a virtue. :)

Thank you Lord TR for pushing this date back 1yr
In your infinite wisdom that "we aren't ready yet"

Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 23, 2018, 02:01:02 AM
Thank you Lord TR for pushing this date back 1yr
In your infinite wisdom that "we aren't ready yet"

How mature of you. And people wonder why humanity is not ready for grownup toys.

Captain Jean-Luc Picard kept a small transparent crystal on the desk in his ready room aboard the USS Enterprise-D. He often played with the crystal when he had to make an important decision.

Time to wake up to the simulation you exist in. MM says greetings, all will be well.

Robert Heinlein proposed a theory that science fiction
is a glimpse of science future.
This is based on the idea that science fiction is written
about scientific possibilities of the time, that have not yet
come to reality.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 28, 2018, 01:42:17 PM
MM says greetings, all will be well.

And greetings back to MM, My (favorite) Martian. :)
Channeled info, if that's what you are relying on, often turns out to be quite
wrong when it comes to predictions or other things that can actually be checked out.


All the best...

Quote from: Void on January 28, 2018, 03:14:47 PM
And greetings back to MM, My (favorite) Martian. :)
Channeled info, if that's what you are relying on, often turns out to be quite
wrong when it comes to predictions or other things that can actually be checked out.


All the best...

In what timeline / worldline? I assume the ones you're aware of.

I just came across an academic scientist who's become so busy working with colleagues who are testing the Simulation theory. Most in the field believe it's now at the level of being called a theory, and a promising one at that.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on January 28, 2018, 03:28:42 PM
In what timeline / worldline? I assume the ones you're aware of.

I just came across an academic scientist who's become so busy working with colleagues who are testing the Simulation theory. Most in the field believe it's now at the level of being called a theory, and a promising one at that.

Hi Theoretical Research. Don't get me wrong. I think at least some channeled info
I have come across is quite interesting, but in regards to specific channeled info relating to
predictions or in regards to statements about things in this world which are seemingly something which
should not generally be known by those involved without it being investigated, I think the record has
not been so good, but maybe there are exceptions to this that I am not aware of. :)

All the best...

My point was that the existence of timelines means there is no fixed future. If something does not happen, then it's a reflection of yourself, the path you followed. To predict someones future is merely to predict the timeline they end up on. There are endless timelines, beyond imagination. Global free energy. Global ET contact. Time machines. More people are awakening this decade, jumpers. I'm sorry to say that the skeptics and debunkers will be the last. They need to find leverage, something to grab on to so they can believe in what they currently don't believe. For some it will be the Mandela Effect. For others it might be religion. For some it might be science. That self-running device will always be one step away until they learn to shatter their inner doubts. That's the real challenge here at OU.  :)

The fact that we can make our own decisions
proves that we have infinite possibilities of future events.


I have not found any evidence of the existence of "actual"
alternate timelines. That is not to say they cannot or do not exist
Only that I have no way to prove one or the other.


There are many possible explanations for what we call the
"Mandela Effect". The effect itself exists, regardless of the cause.


Timelines/jumping is one explanation.
But there is also a possibility of time travel/tampering with the past.
Or: mass-mind control, implantation of false information.


it could be a large-scale social experiment.
Altering of the documented histories of events.
Including look-alike impersonation, paying off of celebrities,
Falsifying documents, placing false history on the internet.
99% of people would never notice.
Only those with eidetic memory hold the true history
And experience the effect. The rest have no clue what
they are talking about, and probably never cared that
Nelson had died. It didn't effect their personal lives.
So they didn't notice when he was 'replaced'.


Or an infinite number of other possible explanations.


Mass hysteria, or a large number of unrelated persons randomly remembering
the exact same histories, in the exact same way
Just does not seem plausible at this point.
But neither do any of the other explanations.


If it were one event, you could convince people that it's their memory.
That maybe they didn't remember the event correctly.
But dozens of events, and the people have the same memories.....


Besides, eidetic memory doesn't work that way.
That is exclusively a property of other types of neural networks.
The consensus that eidetic memory decreases with age, is an
environmental effect, and not consistent among all cases.
Plus there are people that experience the effect that are still
within the young age range.
So for them to all hold the same memories is anomalous.


Then there is the physical evidence of the true past.....
Elements of our histories that were somehow not altered.
Even though they cascade from the original altered events.


It is definitely a very strange thing, that we don't have answers for
at this time. (or in this timeline?)

Quote from: Theoretical Research on November 15, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
I hate to break the news to you, but in the year 2020 Earth will be introduced to three massive changes that will change your life.

1) Self-runner that will produce well over 1W
2) Technology that will quickly allow humanity to leave the nest
3) AI Singularity

A friendly reminder. If you people want to see the detailed instructions to build a legit self-runner by 2020 then please seek truth on the nature of reality. Please go to YouTube and search The Rice Experiment. There are a lot of channels on YouTube who are honest truth seekers who've repeated the experiment. It works for most people, but due to the nature of reality it may not work for some people.

MM wishes everyone the best, but he has made it very clear that if someone posted the detailed instructions to a self-runner that it would not manifest the way they want due to the nature of the timelines that exist in the 3 main Simulations. Certain people can achieve self-runners right now, but MM said 2020 is the earliest it can happen on a world scale in this timeline.

Videos on the rice experiment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31shlv5Z71A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFAvx6vjeHA


Search:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rice+experiment+love+hate&sp=CAM%253D

IMO
these things should be studied in depth by universities in such a way as to connect the DOTS between science and ... erhh what would you call this........ spirituality ??

regardless, if it is truly an interaction between consciousness and effecting mass in some way it needs more eyes on it.

Years ago I heard of another experiment which gave goosebumps,

two petri dishes  with very simple identical bacteria.. in cultures

one was subject to Heat [flame] the other dish reacted too ,even tho it was untouched by the flame ?


these things need more understanding ,and if verifiable ....need to be taught in every classroom on the planet,
if there is indeed a connection between abuse or hate or I'll feelings towards another or Love and goodwill for that matter,
it would make for some very sobering teaching in the classroom about our effects on each other
and the responsibility that represents to all of us in our every day lives.

I had wanted to start a topic on these experiments for quite some time

Thank you

Chet K

   Here is another very Odd experiment which really gives pause
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/16/611701171/yanny-or-laurel-why-people-hear-different-things-in-that-viral-clip (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/16/611701171/yanny-or-laurel-why-people-hear-different-things-in-that-viral-clip)

I had the opportunity to be in a room during a live broadcast of this Odd event/demonstration on national news in the USA,   where one person heard one name as clear as day
and I heard the other name clear as day.

a glitch ........one thing for certain ,its weird ...

I've had a lot of those type of experiences as well. People call it high strangeness. Most people, including scientists rarely experience it, but some people are a magnet to attract high strangeness. One day after class I compared notes with a girl sitting next to me to discover that one our notes were completely different. Also I've seen two people do things that there's no way in hell they would ever do. Like MM (Mystery Man) said, the Simulation we exist in has vivid dream like qualities.

A couple of times I've had the fortune of catching high strangeness on video and audio. One time I was instructed by someone who knows MM to take photos at a certain location. Sure enough, there were clear, bright, and vivid objects in every photo. On Oct. 20, 2017 last year I was given the opportunity to go to a certain location and ask MM a question while recording with my phone. I asked what do you people look like. I let it record and then went home. After pressing the play button I immediately hear what I can only describe as a relatively loud high voltage transformer buzzing sound that quickly decays in about 1 second. Following that I hear a voice that kind of sounds like the Borg in Star Trek ask "What's the question." It's difficult to describe the voice. I'm not sure if it's multiple voices speaking, or if it's a digital type of voice. I didn't here that while recording. After that in the recording I hear myself asking what they look like. After that I hear in the recording a description about their round head. I can't even begin to express the emotions I felt after hearing that recording! I don't know if those two experiences count as high strangeness, but they're definitely out of the ordinary.

  Personally I believe many people experience the unexplainable or uncanny at some time in their lives ,Deja vu  comes to mind.

Persons of faith experience situations which defy explanation,  all the time...  coincidences which just can't be coincidences or believed [knock and the door shall be opened]
And I have spoken with Devout atheists who have the same type of experiences
  there is much more to this world than meets the eye IMO [seems yours too.

Although I must admit,  you are much Bolder than myself, I am quite careful what doors I knock on ...I would hate to accidentally open one which can't be closed [a bad one  :o .
Not meant as a slight or  Judgement of you in any way.just call me chicken...

True. There are some christian denominations such as pentecostals who experience some things such as speaking in tongues. I crew up in such churches during childhood. Although I personally wouldn't classify speaking in tongues as high strangeness. On rare occasion there'll be a healing, but almost 100% of those don't have much wow factor. If someone was blind and can now see, then that's a wow factor. High strangeness. Out of the 40,000+ christian denominations there aren't that many who do things such as speaking in tongues.

I've seen youtube videos of muslims doing there own strange things. Same goes for hindus, buddhists, new agers.

Personally I wouldn't say any of the above groups have that many experiences of high strangeness.

And then there're the modern groups that don't have a name. Although some call themselves Indigos, Crystals, Rainbows, Starseeds. It's been my experience that these people generally have a lot more experiences of high strangeness.

Don't think badly about being afraid of the unknown. Everyone feels that. I know people who get feelings of uneasiness with Tesla like experiments. You know, high voltage, sparks, wires and "mysterious" components all over the place. To some old fashion people, amish old timers, it looks spooky and demonic in nature. Our modern high tech society would appear as spooky magic to tribal people who lived hundreds of years ago.

WellYou know we have people from all over the planet here , all manner of beliefs and many who claim no beliefs [in some form of creation].
i have had the good fortune to speak with many of these members and learned to appreciate their various beliefs and respect them all.....
 
Being taught as you were [me too to some extent] you know those teachings speak of the very secrets of creation being discovered or revealed as time goes bye [end times??]  Seems we are on that path at this time , present day DNA discovery and ability to modify such at the fingertips of man ,How long until we figure out how to live forever [maybe already ??].and next is the manipulation of Mass and matter ,seems we are also just around the corner there too
I was talking with a member here this AM about Star Trek and how In my opinion it seemed to be a shoehorn to get Us terrestrials thinking of what is to come,he was pointing out all the things which were in that serieswhich are coming into our reality and everyday life , he  pointed out the recent transparent aluminum discovery
and I mentioned the Chinese teleporting some "mass" however small up to a satellite .I think he mentioned an apple being teleported [was very messy tho ??



What a time to be alive on planet earth.....

Wow trying to predict what's to come over the next 20 years I think is impossible. From what I know it's going to be like an explosion of timeline paths. The timeline I'm on is soon headed for the next major step in evolution, ASI (artificial super intelligence). Humans will be like toasters compared to ASI. Chose your timeline and choose it wisely. :)

If a person were to consider getting up the nerve to actually chose such a thing ,How would they do that ?
and why ?
It is hard for us to fathom Time and how long things have "been",  unimaginable time....
I suppose all things are possible...Given time,and oddly enuff I believe your position on this has roots in present scientific theories at some level......... Dimensions ,Time.....

makes My head hurt.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on May 17, 2018, 11:23:00 AM
I've had a lot of those type of experiences as well. People call it high strangeness. Most people, including scientists rarely experience it, but some people are a magnet to attract high strangeness. One day after class I compared notes with a girl sitting next to me to discover that one our notes were completely different. Also I've seen two people do things that there's no way in hell they would ever do. Like MM (Mystery Man) said, the Simulation we exist in has vivid dream like qualities.

A couple of times I've had the fortune of catching high strangeness on video and audio. One time I was instructed by someone who knows MM to take photos at a certain location. Sure enough, there were clear, bright, and vivid objects in every photo. On Oct. 20, 2017 last year I was given the opportunity to go to a certain location and ask MM a question while recording with my phone. I asked what do you people look like. I let it record and then went home. After pressing the play button I immediately hear what I can only describe as a relatively loud high voltage transformer buzzing sound that quickly decays in about 1 second. Following that I hear a voice that kind of sounds like the Borg in Star Trek ask "What's the question." It's difficult to describe the voice. I'm not sure if it's multiple voices speaking, or if it's a digital type of voice. I didn't here that while recording. After that in the recording I hear myself asking what they look like. After that I hear in the recording a description about their round head. I can't even begin to express the emotions I felt after hearing that recording! I don't know if those two experiences count as high strangeness, but they're definitely out of the ordinary.

Has anyone been reading about the recent headline news about a major improvement to the drake equation that suggests we might be alone in the galaxy and perhaps even the observable Universe? There's a lot of gibberish out there turning this into gossip by saying we're probably alone in the Universe, but they need to understand that it's referring to the *observable* Universe. The size of the *entire* Universe is unknown, but best guesstimates put it at such a large number that no calculator can display the number.

Anyhow, it's looking like MM (Mystery Man) was correct. Here's what MM said (paraphrasing):

Aug 26, 2017
Q: Would you recommend a location in the Milky Way galaxy where I would hear an ET signal within 500 light years if my digital antenna system had sufficient elements?
MM: You're alone. They exist in a place that's at a different frequency.

So they exist, but in a different place / realm that exists at a different frequency, perhaps the beat frequency of fundamental matter. So I asked MM how I could detect them? MM said (paraphrasing):

Aug 26, 2017
Q: Can you tell me what technology I need to hear the extraterrestrial signals you're talking about?
MM: Incredibly high energy fields that bends light within a special crystal that results in particle ejection into your 3D reality.

One of many recent articles:

https://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/are-we-the-only-intelligent-life-in-the-universe-updated-drake-equation-suggests-yes

Quote from: Theoretical Research on November 15, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
I hate to break the news to you, but in the year 2020 Earth will be introduced to three massive changes that will change your life.

1) Self-runner that will produce well over 1W
2) Technology that will quickly allow humanity to leave the nest
3) AI Singularity

Short update for those in this timelime:
1) 2023
2) Before the end of 2020
3) Before the end of 2020

Subject to change depending on the timeline.

No 2020 but Now !!!! 8) 8) 8)

Quote from: Theoretical Research on April 25, 2019, 07:08:34 PM
Short update for those in this timelime:
1) 2023
2) Before the end of 2020
3) Before the end of 2020

Subject to change depending on the timeline.

Yes U are right