Forum Moderator and member GotoLuc
Will be hosting a build here .
This is the place for :
- builders
-experimenters
-practitioners
-theoretic contribution in area of energy transfer.
- people interested to discuss this particular topic
Will try to focus our attention and posts submitted in relation to that specific topic here.
anything related to
-Tesla Coil
- Viziv
-interface and its variations such as:
a. dielectric and dielectric with different dielectric properties
b. dielectric ( e.g air) and conductive medium ( e.g copper or aluminum)
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369)
c dielectric (e.g air) and lossy conductive medium ( e.g earth)
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=306 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=306)
- HV AC power supply that can be used to power Tesla coil
- Generators and HV generators that can be used to power Tesla coil
- RF Amplifiers that can be used to power Tesla coil
- impedance matching devices and tuners.
- Top Capacitors and its futures/ and practical designs.
- energy transfer from given point A to any point B using interface
- Near field and Far Field practical and theoretical
- modes of electromagnetic wave such as TM mode
-Goubau line (e.g https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line))
-Schumann Waveguide and its resonances
- Waveguides and its futures
- Ionosphere /earth cavity and its properties if related
-related ground and grounding techniques e.g counterpoise
To miejsce jest dla tych ktorzy zajmuja sie tym konkretnym tematem wyszczegolnionym powyzej.
это место только для людей, которые хотят говорить и экспериментировать в этой конкретной теме
характер этой темы объяснен выше
Dieser Ort ist für Menschen, die ihre praktische und theoretische Erfahrung in diesem ganz spezifischen Bereich einbringen möchten.
Respectfully
Chet K
Legal note: High Voltage is dangerous .
It is your decision of what you do and nobody else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJr-oUYYDA
r2fpl Sir thank you for the very appropriate video ,here in this thread there will be a build with point to pointTesla energy transfer experiments as well as Viziv type investigations and hopefully experiments with direct energy Harvesting from the Schumann wave guide.
Thank you for the contribution
respectfully Chet K
Dziekuje dobry material
Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlirYRhYvfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDh5CcaghJU
more on the channell: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1c384Gyck10hhAifO5hspw
Hello
Question to tesla coil builders:
Is capacitance of grounded tesla coil TOP LOAD (sphere or toroid) dependent on it elevation regards to earth or not?
Thx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlHoU54Pyv0
thank you r2fpl
Wesley
Quote from: groot on September 19, 2019, 08:33:07 PM
Is capacitance of grounded tesla coil TOP LOAD (sphere or toroid) dependent on it elevation regards to earth or not?
Thx
Yes it is .
That capacitor size must be as here:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=950 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=950)
The Top Capacitor is one plate and earth is another.
So increasing distance between two plates makes its capacitance smaller.
Please fallow the instruction that :
D= or > 4d
It is good to have
d as large as possible
. No sharp edges and mushroom shape is the best but not critical
.
If you chose
mushroom shape than lower edge of the mushroom must be bend inward to prevent discharges.
Note#1: no sharp corners !!!Wesley
Hello Wesley, Chet and all
The below 3 video demos are my first attempts to study power transmission.
As a first start I used what I already had on hand which is a self tuning (resonance) circuit that was built by Tinsel Koala.
I had made a set of matching Primary and Secondary coils tuned to resonate at 1.1Mhz
I used a single wire as a conductive medium (instead of earth ground or aluminum foil) connected between the lower wire of each Tesla secondaries coils.
The primary on the transmitter is connected to the self tune circuit and on the receiver is connected to a 18W bulb as load.
It is important to know and understand that this 15 feet single wire power transfer demonstration is not radio transmission.
Contrary to standard theory which states current needs a return path, in this demonstration power transfer is achieved by a single wire with no return path.
Part 2 video is an attempt to prove the return path is not achieved by air transmission by enclosing the receiver (under load) in a grounded Faraday cage.
Part 3 video demonstrates a maximized power transfer (compared to part 1) and also includes an approximate bulb power (in watts) comparison.
Part 1: https://youtu.be/kwfwkAtXUKY (https://youtu.be/kwfwkAtXUKY)
Part 2: https://youtu.be/DKxx42Y9nqo (https://youtu.be/DKxx42Y9nqo)
Part 3: https://youtu.be/slErtdgTdbs (https://youtu.be/slErtdgTdbs)
Regards
Luc
Thank you gotoluc
Great example of Goubau line
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line)
https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/BIW2012/papers/tupg007.pdf (https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/BIW2012/papers/tupg007.pdf)
https://tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23311916.2018.1507083 (https://tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23311916.2018.1507083)
https://iom3.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09205071.2017.1317036?journalCode=tewa20 (https://iom3.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09205071.2017.1317036?journalCode=tewa20)
in this last link it is considered TE mode instead of TM mode.
We want TM mode.!! in out surface wave for our power transmission.
TM mode: Transverse magnetic waves, also called E waves are characterized by the fact that the magnetic vector (H vector) is always perpendicular to the direction of propagation.
Note#1: you can also create two cones structure with wire as explained in links
it will work also with magnet wire as that wire is coated with dielectric paint.
Note#2: some of you may have problem to identify it as Goubau due to slightly different configuration.
but we definitely deal with surface wave in dielectric!!!/ metal interface.
don't be surprised if it works also with non coated copper wire. Yes it will but the mechanism is exactly the same it will be copper/ air interface.
But if we talking about effectiveness of energy transmission than use Teflon coated wire
Note#3: it is not much difference if you use 1ft aluminum foil or you use wire.
Top Capacitor:
should look like mushroom or torus but shape is not critical and not so much important ( it is just the most easy but still effective form of it )
Top Capacitor when is large it has bigger capacitance and adjustment can/must be done by changing the size of it or elevation .
However elevation is that what gives us polarization and right Brewster Angle
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539151/#msg539151 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539151/#msg539151)
Wesley
Luc,
What I see with your experiment is that the apparently-invisible circuit is completed via the path from the top capacitance of the TC's to earth ground.
What leads you to believe that it is a longitudinal wave powering the lamp?
A Faraday shield around the RX coil won't shield the effect because essentially the earth is being used as the return conductor.
The shield may even improve the effect as it could increase the conductivity from the RX top capacitor to earth ground.
At best you can be ready to make power transmission over the earth as soon as tomorrow,
At worst you will never do it
It is easy but tricky
You really need to understand the 4 of my posts here:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg539098/#msg539098 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg539098/#msg539098)
Wesley
Quote from: poynt99 on September 20, 2019, 07:37:49 PM
What I see with your experiment is that the apparently-invisible circuit is completed via the path from the top capacitance of the TC's to earth ground.
Are you saying the transmitter top Pico Farad value capacitance is able to work its way down through 4" of cement, then countless feet of non conducting sand to get down to current conducting ground to travel 15 feet then make its way back up through the same non current conductive medium up to the receivers top capacitance and can deliver 6 watts all without impeding the transmitter?
Quote from: poynt99 on September 20, 2019, 07:37:49 PM
What leads you to believe that it is a longitudinal wave powering the lamp?
Because that's what experimenters say when they can't explain it ;D
Quote from: poynt99 on September 20, 2019, 07:37:49 PM
A Faraday shield around the RX coil won't shield the effect because essentially the earth is being used as the return conductor.
How high off the cement (ground) would the transmitter and receiver need to be to eliminate your ground thought possibility?
Quote from: poynt99 on September 20, 2019, 07:37:49 PM
The shield may even improve the effect as it could increase the conductivity from the RX top capacitor to earth ground.
BTW, the grounding of the Faraday cage was added by the 87yo Lockheed Martin Physicist who visits the lab each morning. Yesterday he was convinced the current path was through the air (radio) and why I then built the cage. Then this morning when he saw the cage didn't change anything he was thinking the cage acted as an antenna to the top capacitor and thought once the cage was grounded its antenna effect would be neutralized. Once again to his surprise it changed nothing. He left still believing there's a current path somehow but could not identify it.
I'm quite sure he considered all ground path possibilities but could not consider it with the transmitter being battery operated.
So I'm sorry to say but your ground path possibility is not very convincing to me. However, I'm ready to consider a good explanation of how that could possibly work.
Regards
Luc
Compare it to this.
Here you have shielded Faraday cage too.
There is no electromagnetic longitudinal wave and there never was electromagnetic longitudinal wave
It simply can not exist.
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369)
Wesley
Hi Luc
I am glad you came back.
I can say that I did such an experiment and I confirm that energy goes through one wire. However, the bulb needs mass.
The receiving Tesla coil makes a virtual mass if I can say that. Try to lift the connecting cable or isolate it from the ground. PVC is a diaelectrician who can collect loads with change. I don't know if it's good, but check what happens after lifting the cable.
ps. I think Jeremy told you.
Quote from: stivep on September 20, 2019, 08:42:49 PM
Compare it to this.
Here you have shielded Faraday cage too.
There is no electromagnetic longitudinal wave and there never was electromagnetic longitudinal wave
It simply can not exist.
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369)
Wesley
Realy? not with an ordinary Tesla coil! I have seen Londetudinal wave experiments, it can assure you it can penetrate a steel box no faraday cage is of any use! and you can bank on that one.
Dave
Quote from: DavidWolff on September 21, 2019, 05:40:27 AM
Realy? not with an ordinary Tesla coil! I have seen Londetudinal wave experiments, it can assure you it can penetrate a steel box no faraday cage is of any use! and you can bank on that one.
Dave
Quoteoriginal Wesley's statement : electromagnetic longitudinal wave simply can not exist.
.
Dave you have rights to express your opinion.
I think that Dave manifests problem with basic fundamental knowledge about physics of electromagnetic wave.
Here in this part of forum we ask you Dave for
link/support/prove/or evidence of your statement if there is any.
When accepted and known laws of physics and its models are questioned by anyone it is nothing wrong with challenging such individuals.
We want the space of this forum to be condensed to maximum with valuable and useful data.
Wesley
Luc,
Is the conventional explanation that far fetched?
Tesla performed one-wire transmission of power (https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/one-wire-transmission-of-energy/) via patent 593,138, and there is the occasional application in modern times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return) as well using high voltage and earth as a return.
The Tesla method above involves using real earth grounding at each end, and yours does not, but high voltage and/or high frequency currents can find their way to earth ground one way or the other. The TX and RX sites can be many kms apart because the earth is one large ground plane.
I don't know if your TC's would operate properly if the terminal caps were earth grounded to their own separate ground points, but it would be interesting to see if that worked and also increased the efficiency of energy transfer.
Regarding the question of lifting the entire experiment away from the earth to prove or disprove the earth return theory, I would say would be difficult to achieve. I envision two helicopters, each suspending a TC about 1000 feet off the ground, separated by 1000 feet.
One thing to consider; why does your experiment require high voltage, and/or high frequency to work? High voltage is easy to imagine, because it can involve the ionization of air molecules to create a conductive path, but what about high frequency? If energy is not being radiated via E-M waves, then might there be another mechanism involved that is creating a return path? If the above helicopter experiment still worked, then I might be inclined to think so. For example, could air behave like a RCL transmission line at high enough frequencies?
Another thing to consider; if a longitudinal wave is being transmitted and received, why is one wire between the two sites required?
Wesley thanks for the invitation to reply. Personly I think it's down to Wesley to prove Logdetudinal waves don't exist perhaps on his other
thread, the old scientist had an excellent video with two biscuit tins one inside the other and transistor
Radio blaring away inside them, and the other experiment is incinerating paperwork in a sealed metal case, it worked perfectly.
Didn't the Lituwainian experiment use this phenomenon in its design? find that and you have your proof meanwhile have a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjz-5Lqtxow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjz-5Lqtxow) < please watch this video
https://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html (https://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html)
kind regards Dave
PS At uni we were always taught to ask when we can't get our heads around a problem, please explain.
Answer provided to:DavidWolff
answers are for and against scalar wave:
Quote#1
QuoteA scalar wave is a purported type of electromagnetic wave that works outside physics as we know it.
The central conceit is that scalar waves restore certain useful aspects of Maxwell's equations "discarded"
in the 19 th century by those fools Heaviside, Hertz and Gibbs.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=scalar+waves+wikipedia&qs=SC&pq=scalar+wave+ikip%5bedia&sc=1-21&cvid=AC5BD92DBB2A417D8ADDF63E579A12F1&FORM=QBRE&sp=1 (https://www.bing.com/search?q=scalar+waves+wikipedia&qs=SC&pq=scalar+wave+ikip%5bedia&sc=1-21&cvid=AC5BD92DBB2A417D8ADDF63E579A12F1&FORM=QBRE&sp=1)
Quote#2
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/scalar-waves-is-this-a-complete-fabrication.238709/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/scalar-waves-is-this-a-complete-fabrication.238709/)
QuoteWikipedia.org labels Scalar Wave theory as pseudoscience.
You need to provide some credible references (preferably in refereed professional journals),
or this thread will be deleted. We do not permit crackpot theories here on the PF.
Quote#3
Quote
however, later physicists assumed these equations were meaningless, since scalar waves had not been empirically observed and repeatedly
verified among the scientific community at large.
https://www.iawaketechnologies.com/faq/scalar-waves/ (https://www.iawaketechnologies.com/faq/scalar-waves/)
Quote#4
QuoteThe theory is considered pseudoscience (nonsense) yet is widely promoted among reseachers looking for 'free energy' or 'over unity'
https://www.rmcybernetics.com/science/physics/electromagnetism/scalar-waves
(https://www.rmcybernetics.com/science/physics/electromagnetism/scalar-waves)
Quote from: DavidWolff on September 21, 2019, 02:44:59 PMDidn't the Lituwainian experiment use this phenomenon in its design?
No it didn't. We were expecting NMR phenomena due to strong vibration of special ferrite from old Russian TV Rubin
That sound was also present in some versions of Akula and Ruslan devices.
In some of the samples tested the Yoke ferrite cracked
I don't see as of today any prove of existence of scalar waves
If you can not provide scientifically existing prove please just don't force the subject of scalar wave
Wesley
Re Goubau line
"A Goubau line or Sommerfeld-Goubau line,[1] or G-line for short, is a single wire transmission line used to conduct radio waves at UHF and microwave frequencies."
"Ultra high frequency (UHF) is the ITU designation for radio frequencies in the range between 300 megahertz (MHz) and 3 gigahertz (GHz),"
I don't think 1Mhz is anywhere near either of that.
Why does an AC circuit NEED a completed path? Why can't you just drive a current between two capacitive masses across a coil?
C - L - C
L - some other coil to induce the current...
The electron cloud in a wire IS slightly elastic... or you couldn't send pulses of a higher frequency than the length of the wire. It is not in-compressable.
Quote from: d3x0r on September 22, 2019, 07:58:32 AM
"A Goubau line or Sommerfeld-Goubau line,/ G-line, is a single wire transmission line used
to conduct radio waves at UHF and microwave frequencies. in the range between 300 megahertz (MHz) and 3 gigahertz (GHz),"
I don't think 1Mhz is anywhere near either of that.
Wesley's answer :
QuoteNote#1: you can also create two cones structure with wire as explained in links
it will work also with magnet wire as that wire is coated with dielectric paint.
Note#2: some of you may have problem to identify it as Goubau due to slightly different configuration.
but we definitely deal with surface wave in dielectric!!!/ metal interface.
don't be surprised if it works also with non coated copper wire. Yes it will but the mechanism is exactly the same it will be copper/ air interface.
But if we talking about effectiveness of energy transmission than use Teflon coated wire
Note#3: it is not much difference if you use 1ft wide aluminum foil or you use wire.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539175/#msg539175 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539175/#msg539175)
Physics tends to give separate names to the same phenomena based on convenience of pointing at given area of it.
Example:
light is electromagnetic wave and is part of electromagnetic spectrum but it is made from visible light, infrared ,ultraviolet.
It is convenient to use distinctive name for the type of
surface wave at low frequencies and this is e.g
Zenneck Wave. The reflecting and propagating properties of Zenneck Wave are specific and unique to that particular range of electromagnetic surface wave phenomena.
Quote from: d3x0r on September 22, 2019, 07:58:32 AM
Why does an AC circuit NEED a completed path? .
The simplest answer:
if there is no current flow, there is no rate of change and energy dissipation.For these who wants to have massage of your brain the controversy is discussed here:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/74625/does-alternating-current-ac-require-a-complete-circuit (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/74625/does-alternating-current-ac-require-a-complete-circuit)
Remaining unanswered part of comment of user:d3x0r was formulated not in condensed, precise and concise form having
logical unity.Logical Unity: logical unit of Logical Unity is a unique connection to an application program or to
logically precise answer.
Another words:
logically precise answer is possible due to very narrow and highly precise and direct question not bouncing around and not being reflected.
Physics has no emotions, feelings,and is apolitical .
Wesley
all messages described in post
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539104/#msg539104 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539104/#msg539104)
are approved
Wesley
Current can flow in an open wire... it's only a small current due to the capacitance of the metal itself.
This calculator (https://www.cirris.com/learning-center/calculators/174-cable-capacitance-calculator) has no dependancy on insulation type, air being as good as teflon, because it's not between the metal and dialectric, but just of the metal itself, when calculating the capcitance of a length of wire.
or this one (https://www.researchgate.net/post/How_to_calculate_the_theoretical_specific_capacitance_of_materials) to calculate the capcitance of a mass of meterial, given
Capacitance, C = n X F/M X V
Capacity = n X F/M X 3.6
Where, n is number of electron transfer, F is Faraday Constant, M is Molar mass, V is applied potential.
which then means a sphere of metal, varnished or naked (as used in most telsa coils) is the same capictance. It may be true that a varnished body of metal will hold a higher voltage, and be effecitvely more capacitance... but it's not really changing the capictance, just the ability to store more charge in the same capcitor.
---
so, again, I can have quite a current flowing in a coil with two mass-capcitances (say a 3x3x3 block of aluminum at each end, similar to what stiffler was using on his stuff) and an inductor between it with an entirely open circuit; can store lots of energy in the resonant tank... and just need ANOTHER coil around it to extract energy from it.
While playing with toroidal(mobius wound) coils, I had lots of power transfered to the load, with the end of the coils connected to the load entirely open, and the windings themselves had very little internal/parasitic capacitance. Attaching the other end to ground gave more electrons available.... but then it was
ground-> coil -> LED-load -> coil ->ground (two different filaments on the same coil)
and once I had it started that way, I could just remove the ground and leave the ends of the coils tied together, and there was enough electrons in the circuit to continue; but it would not re-start in that configuration... and ends up back at a closed circuit, which is diverging from the original point that the open circuit without the grounds also worked.
coil -> LED-load ->coil (two different filaments on the same coil, with less than pico-farads of coupling between them... that is there's more capcitance in the wire than is shared between the two filaments.)
--
Edit: I've been on vacation for the past month, and a couple more weeks, when I get back home I'll do a more meaningful build along the lines of the topic.
The real 100% Tesla Wireless Power Transmission can be found here:
http://www.tamaseduard.com/DOWNLOAD/file/T.E.L.T.mp4 (http://www.tamaseduard.com/DOWNLOAD/file/T.E.L.T.mp4)
http://www.TamasEduard.com (http://www.tamaseduard.com)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMK0B9ljNrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMK0B9ljNrc)
Quote from: d3x0r on September 22, 2019, 11:00:00 PM
Current can flow in an open wire... it's only a small current due to the capacitance of the metal itself.
That is correct the higher the voltage the lower the current = power
That compared to safety standard:
QuoteInternational ICNIRP safety standards for RF current in the body in the Tesla coil frequency range of 0.1 - 1 MHz specify a maximum current density of 0.2 mA
per square centimeter and a maximum power absorption rate (SAR) in tissue of 4 W/kg in limbs and 0.8 W/kg average over the body.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil)
However trick is in understanding of the phenomena:
trick #1:
Line voltage is the voltage seen on the AC line, typically single phase. Line current is the current that results when that voltage is applied to a load.
http://www.engineering.com/Ask@/qactid/1/qaqid/1286.aspx (http://www.engineering.com/Ask@/qactid/1/qaqid/1286.aspx)
trick#2
is to understand this:
Capturing Surface Electromagnetic Energy into a DC through Single-Conductor Transmission Line at Microwave Frequencies
http://jpier.org/PIERM/pierm54/04.16120207.pdf
(http://jpier.org/PIERM/pierm54/04.16120207.pdf)
Think ABOUT signal in the wire or rather dielectric covering that wire - between two Tesla coils, -
as surface wave.
Remember that
surface wave existing in the interface is that what we focus our-self at.
Than read here:
QuotePhysics tends to give separate names to the same phenomena based on convenience of pointing at given area of it.
Example: light is electromagnetic wave and is part of electromagnetic spectrum but it is made from visible light, infrared ,ultraviolet.
It is convenient to use distinctive name for the type of surface wave at low frequencies and this is e.g Zenneck Wave.
The reflecting and propagating properties of Zenneck Wave are specific and unique to that particular range of electromagnetic surface wave phenomena.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539218/#msg539218 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539218/#msg539218)
conclusion:
Even if we mistakenly identified phenomena (by its very much unique name) in the wire( transmission line) between Tx Tesla coil and Rx Tesla coil having load,
we are always dealing with EM wave and that particular EM wave does not change its behavior when compared to Zenneck wave
Frequency of operation can be in kHz too (means : not in MHz and GHz)
Our wire can be replaced with aluminum foil 1ft wide and infinitely long and - it will behave the same way , however
the role of
dielectric covering the wire in our
Goubau line is now taken by air as dielectric creating
interface with surface of that foil.
By its very much unique name it will no longer be named
Goubau line it will be named
Zenneck wave in the interfaceif frequency is low.
Note : the missing two cones of original Goubau line creates confusion to some of you. That can be explained by small diameter of wire in Goubau line but it is not important here so I leave it as
it is. Wesley
hello
Finally i got to do some tests of my own.
Aprox. 450khz and 22.5volt 0.35 amp. 75 feet single wire transmission .
At load ( small automotive light bulb ) 22.5 v 0.75 amp .
I have failed to send surface wave . Tx was inside the building while testing so
hight of top load was limited. To me more important question is:
For surface wave do i need my ground to be in one vertical line with coil and top load??? Mine was not.
Is the image in the ground dependent on ground rod location ?
Next time how should i prepare myself? Having ground rod 3 or 4 feet away is ok or its no no??
Thx
Just a note
Previous experiments presented by gotoLuc utilized parts and things on hand
When this topic was formally started orders were placed for components and pieces necessary to do a more focused or specific Zenneck topology as outlined in Wesley's many contributions .
ATM Luc has an issue with his computor crashing .(no net access ATM for his personal acc't)
He also has some other commitment (not FE related ..but definitely "green theme " energy production)
Which he needs to get done these next few weeks .
Quote from: poynt99 on September 21, 2019, 11:12:39 AM
Luc,
Is the conventional explanation that far fetched?
Tesla performed one-wire transmission of power (https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/one-wire-transmission-of-energy/) via patent 593,138, and there is the occasional application in modern times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return) as well using high voltage and earth as a return.
The Tesla method above involves using real earth grounding at each end, and yours does not, but high voltage and/or high frequency currents can find their way to earth ground one way or the other. The TX and RX sites can be many kms apart because the earth is one large ground plane.
I don't know if your TC's would operate properly if the terminal caps were earth grounded to their own separate ground points, but it would be interesting to see if that worked and also increased the efficiency of energy transfer.
Regarding the question of lifting the entire experiment away from the earth to prove or disprove the earth return theory, I would say would be difficult to achieve. I envision two helicopters, each suspending a TC about 1000 feet off the ground, separated by 1000 feet.
One thing to consider; why does your experiment require high voltage, and/or high frequency to work? High voltage is easy to imagine, because it can involve the ionization of air molecules to create a conductive path, but what about high frequency? If energy is not being radiated via E-M waves, then might there be another mechanism involved that is creating a return path? If the above helicopter experiment still worked, then I might be inclined to think so. For example, could air behave like a RCL transmission line at high enough frequencies?
Another thing to consider; if a longitudinal wave is being transmitted and received, why is one wire between the two sites required?
Well, I'm not the only one that finds your explanation of the TC top capacitance completing the current loop "through ground" to be far fetched.
I explained your hypothesis to the 87yo retired Lockheed Martin EE and Physicist that comes for coffee each morning and his reply was, I don't think so.
He hasn't yet found an acceptable explanation on how the current loop occurs.
To further prove or disprove the possibility of ground transmission, I put together a new test using 3/4" x 10 feet long copper pipes as grounding rods 15 feet apart to verify if it's even possible to use the ground to replace the single wire.
Test results: https://youtu.be/1D8N8Jq5mzs (https://youtu.be/1D8N8Jq5mzs)
Regards
Luc
Hi Luc,
Would you check the TX coil operating frequency by a frequency meter (if possible) to see if it changes when you ground its bottom
to the buried copper pipe versus the frequency when its bottom is connected to the 15' wire?
I know the oscillator automatically follows the TX coil resonant frequency but the RX coil cannot do this, so in case the operating
TX frequency happens to change when you swap from the wire to the grounded copper pipe, the TX coil is happy to resonate at a
new frequency (the oscillator follows any change) but the RX coil may get detuned and this may be misleading when estimating
power transfer.
I am not saying this is the main reason why the bulb is not lit at all when the grounding is used, just a headups that the RX coil
may get detuned.
It is possible you have already tested such detuning effect?
Thanks,
Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on September 27, 2019, 06:58:39 PM
Hi Luc,
Would you check the TX coil operating frequency by a frequency meter (if possible) to see if it changes when you ground its bottom
to the buried copper pipe versus the frequency when its bottom is connected to the 15' wire?
I know the oscillator automatically follows the TX coil resonant frequency but the RX coil cannot do this, so in case the operating
TX frequency happens to change when you swap from the wire to the grounded copper pipe, the TX coil is happy to resonate at a
new frequency (the oscillator follows any change) but the RX coil may get detuned and this may be misleading when estimating
power transfer.
I am not saying this is the main reason why the bulb is not lit at all when the grounding is used, just a headups that the RX coil
may get detuned.
It is possible you have already tested such detuning effect?
Thanks,
Gyula
Hi Gyula,
You have a good point there and I didn't think of confirming if the circuit frequency changed but I'll check that tomorrow.
However, I don't think it's a matter of the circuit detuning but rather a matter of introducing a resistance of 2k Ohm (I now measured) between the grounding rods compared to the 15 feet of 14 AWG wire which is only in the milli Ohms range.
So my thinking is. it's the grounds high resistance that's choking the power transfer.
The point of the demonstration was mostly to demonstrate how bad of a conductive path the ground is in my area which is the path poynt99 believes is how 15 watts worth of current is using as a return path through the ground between the TC top capacitance.
So if I can't transfer any power 15 feet away using 10 feet deep copper grounding rods, then how can the TC top capacitance do it?
I'll confirm if the circuit stays tuned to 1.1Mhz once connected to the grounding rod.
Regards
Luc
I did the DC test but the situation is the same for AC.
https://youtu.be/6t-WbWIqwhY
Of course, all devices correctly measure the 4ohm resistor
https://youtu.be/1vDRcrw41OI?t=37
Tesla and Kapanadze talked about the impulse. Each of us understands this. The focus should be on how to receive this energy by moving the coil into resonance with this impulse to slow down the response and thus extend the duration of action.
Is this a good explanation. Does anyone contradict Tesla's words when he says the impulse is MW or GigaW of energy ?! Probably not.
However, there are switching power supplies and they do not give more than they get what they do wrong or why it is not so obvious.
http://www.technoattic.by/page3_exp_VTTC_GU-50.html
https://youtu.be/PtG5nU34WQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSi2bMJgtqw
...his channel
@gotoluc
you could maybe just spray down the ground with a hose ... 2k Ohm, that's really high. Thanks for measuring.
Quote from: gyulasun on September 27, 2019, 06:58:39 PM
Would you check the TX coil operating frequency by a frequency meter (if possible) to see if it changes when you ground its bottom
to the buried copper pipe versus the frequency when its bottom is connected to the 15' wire?
I have retested the setups using a scope and the self tuning resonance circuit stays at 1.1Mhz (TC resonant frequency) connected to wire or grounding rods.
Video demo: https://youtu.be/ISaLhHcMkVQ (https://youtu.be/ISaLhHcMkVQ)
Regards
Luc
Quote from: r2fpl on September 28, 2019, 05:14:44 AM
I did the DC test but the situation is the same for AC.
https://youtu.be/6t-WbWIqwhY (https://youtu.be/6t-WbWIqwhY)
Of course, all devices correctly measure the 4ohm resistor
Hi r2fpl,
Using a multimeter is not the ideal way to measure actual resistance between grounding rods. It only give an estimate of the grounds conductivity. There are more specialized instrument for doing this which transmits and receives a signal, then computes the resistance.
Quote from: d3x0r on September 28, 2019, 09:07:54 AM
@gotoluc
you could maybe just spray down the ground with a hose ... 2k Ohm, that's really high. Thanks for measuring.
Yes d3x0r, I agree but the point of the test was to demonstrate how bad of a conductor the ground is in my area.
This was a reply to poynt99 post, suggesting the currents return path is completed through the ground by coupling of Tesla coils top capacitance.
Electronic engineering states that, to deliver current there must be a return path (example: 2 wires)
So as far as an EE is concerned, it is not possible to transfer power using only one wire, there must be a return path somewhere.
I personally don't agree the ground can be considered as the return path in my area anyways and why I made this demonstration.
I have already demonstrated it's not done through the air by enclosing the receiver in a Faraday cage. So it's still unclear how this simple circuit can transfer power using only one wire at distances of 15 meters or more as demonstrated by this video r2fpl has found.
Link to 15 meter single wire power transfer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0)
So an EE is unable to explain how this can possibly work because the teachings have remained limited till today.
Tesla knew of this misunderstanding over 100 years ago and tried to educate by demonstrating but was cut off by the influences of the time.
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on September 28, 2019, 10:26:10 AM
I have retested the setups using a scope and the self tuning resonance circuit stays at 1.1Mhz (TC resonant frequency) connected to wire or grounding rods.
Video demo: https://youtu.be/ISaLhHcMkVQ (https://youtu.be/ISaLhHcMkVQ)
Regards
Luc
I believe gyula was referring to the receiver coil changing frequency when connected to earth, in which case you may need more or less capacitance in the top load. The sandy ground, as you mentioned, doesn't provide the mineral content between the ground pair needed for a lower resistance. If you watered the ground around the rods, this would expand the area in which the current can flow ( instead of the small area of just the rod ) and lower resistance. A "good" ground would be a deep ground, one that penetrated the water table where minerals and moisture is abundant.
Hi Luc,
Thanks for checking the operating frequency for the two cases.
Let me notice the followings:
-- you pay attention to the frequency of 1.1 MHz and not to the decimals and I think that the loaded Q of the two secondary coils may remain relatively high. From your scope display the frequency is 1.147 MHz for the direct wire connection and is 1.137 MHz for the grounded pipe connection. This roughly 10 kHz change at the TX coil frequency could mean a significant detuning when we are dealing with high Q RX and TX circuits.
However, the RX coil frequency would change roughly in the same amount and direction the TX coil's frequency does when their bottom wires are grounded to the pipes so the 10 kHz change can safely be neglected indeed.
So here I assume the pipes may detune both coils in the same amount so both coils may remain closely tuned to each other as you carefully tuned them with the singly wire connection. I answer this also to member znel's comment above, it was easier to check the TX coil frequency change than that of the RX coil. The tuning on the RX coil would be the best as he has mentioned by changing the top load capacitance, and I add to use a low power LED as an indicator instead of the incandescent bulb. But there is no real need to do this, it is sure there is a certain amount of energy transfer towards the RX coil but ground losses certainly limit it.
-- you measure the ground's DC resistance between the pipes as 2 kOhm. Unfortunately, ground resistance (or rather) impedance is frequency dependent too. I agree what you wrote to member r2fpl on measuring ground conductivity, it is a complex issue and conductivity may change due to change in the moisture content of the soil etc as znel mentioned.
Regarding Tesla, I think he ultimately wished to resonate the entire Earth by the magnifying transmitter for the high efficiency (over 95-96%) energy transfer and this would not involve the Earth's conductivity in the sense his earlier coil transmitters (by single wire or via air) or your present tests would.
Gyula
Quote from: gotoluc on September 28, 2019, 10:26:10 AMI have retested the setups using a scope and the self tuning resonance circuit stays at 1.1Mhz (TC resonant frequency) connected to wire or grounding rods.
Video demo: https://youtu.be/ISaLhHcMkVQ (https://youtu.be/ISaLhHcMkVQ)
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on September 28, 2019, 11:26:09 AM
Hi r2fpl,
Using a multimeter is not the ideal way to measure actual resistance between grounding rods it only give an estimate of the grounds conductivity. There are more specialized instrument for doing this which transmits and receives a signal, then computes the resistance.
Yes d3x0r, I agree but the point of the test was to demonstrate how bad of a conductor the ground is in my area.
This was a reply to poynt99 post, suggesting the currents return path is completed through the ground by coupling of Tesla coils top capacitance.
STATEMENT :
Electronic engineering states that, to deliver current there must be a return path (example: 2 wires)
So as far as an EE is concerned, it is not possible to transfer power using only one wire, there must be a return path somewhere.
RELATED NON CONVENTIONAL EE-DEVICE :
https://www.google.com/search?q=avramenko+1-+wire+plug&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
I personally don't agree the ground can be considered as the return path in my area anyways and as demonstrated.
I have already demonstrated it's not done through the air by enclosing the receiver in a Faraday cage. So it's still unclear how this simple circuit can transfer power using only one wire at distances of 15 meters or more as demonstrated by this video r2fpl has found.
Link to 15 meter single wire power transfer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0)
So an EE is unable to explain how this can possibly work because the teachings have remained limited till today.
Tesla knew of this misunderstanding over 100 years ago and tried to educate by demonstrating but was cut off by the influences of the time.
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gyulasun on September 28, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
you pay attention to the frequency of 1.1 MHz and not to the decimals and I think that the loaded Q of the two secondary coils may remain relatively high. From your scope display the frequency is 1.147 MHz for the direct wire connection and is 1.137 MHz for the grounded pipe connection. This roughly 10 kHz change at the TX coil frequency could mean a significant detuning when we are dealing with high Q RX and TX circuits.
Since we are not dealing with a clean sine wave in both cases the scope averages the frequency based on the wave form shape. The very small difference in frequency the scope displays may not at all be a real change in frequency from the circuit but from a small change in the sine wave shape. Look closely at each wave shape and I'm quite sure you will see a small difference and hence the change.
I'm use to seeing these small digital artifacts affect the frequency data on a digital scope and why I ignored the digits below 1.1Mhz
I'm very confident the transmitter coil is locked at the same resonating frequency in both cases.
Quote from: gyulasun on September 28, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
However, the RX coil frequency would change roughly in the same amount and direction the TX coil's frequency does when their bottom wires are grounded to the pipes so the 10 kHz change can safely be neglected indeed.
Yes, I agree.
Quote from: gyulasun on September 28, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
So here I assume the pipes may detune both coils in the same amount so both coils may remain closely tuned to each other as you carefully tuned them with the singly wire connection. I answer this also to member znel's comment above, it was easier to check the TX coil frequency change than that of the RX coil. The tuning on the RX coil would be the best as he has mentioned by changing the top load capacitance, and I add to use a low power LED as an indicator instead of the incandescent bulb. But there is no real need to do this, it is sure there is a certain amount of energy transfer towards the RX coil but ground losses certainly limit it.
The point of the experiment was to consider the ground (in my area) as a possible current return path. So to reduce load and retune should not be necessary but I do understand why it's mentioned.
Quote from: gyulasun on September 28, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
you measure the ground's DC resistance between the pipes as 2 kOhm. Unfortunately, ground resistance (or rather) impedance is frequency dependent too. I agree what you wrote to member r2fpl on measuring ground conductivity, it is a complex issue and conductivity may change due to change in the moisture content of the soil etc as znel mentioned.
Yes, I agree, ground impedance needs a special instrument to measure.
I made a video demo of such an Instrument I have access to: https://youtu.be/kCwCf20l6FM (https://youtu.be/kCwCf20l6FM)
Quote from: gyulasun on September 28, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
Regarding Tesla, I think he ultimately wished to resonate the entire Earth by the magnifying transmitter for the high efficiency (over 95-96%) energy transfer and this would not involve the Earth's conductivity in the sense his earlier coil transmitters (by single wire or via air) or your present tests would.
Yes, again, totally agree. Tesla wanted to offer mankind much more then just the AC Grid.
I also agree that ground conductivity was not how Tesla's ultimate technology worked.
I'm only playing with this as a starting point but interestingly enough, just this one wire power transmission is enough to rattle the present EE beliefs.
The magnifying transmitter is beyond belief.
Regards
Luc
Https://vizivtechnologies.com commercial transmission co FYI Using Zenneck waves
Quote from: Jimboot on September 28, 2019, 07:22:59 PM
http://Https://vizivtechnologies.com (http://https://vizivtechnologies.com) commercial transmission co FYI Using Zenneck waves
Yes Jimboot, we are well aware of them. However, fact is still 99% of the electrical engineering establishment do not believe what they claim is possible.
It will remain a pipe dream until the day they publicly provide the service they claim.
Even then they'll have to deal with maybe years of 3rd party verification's before "The Establishment" is ready to rewrite the possibility of efficient high power wireless transmission.
Understand that even
one wire power transmission is not possible according to "The Establishment"
Any educated engineer will tell you
current must have a return path.
So just proving
efficient one wire power transmission alone will be quite a feat!!!
Regards
Luc
Two different tests to verify ground rod impedance and ground resistance between the two 10 feet deep copper grounding rods.
Video demo: https://youtu.be/yAzWwAbDpFk (https://youtu.be/yAzWwAbDpFk)
Regards
Luc
It looks like you guys didn't read what I wrote in here and in
Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
I'm not so much available now to respond as I have major Jewish holiday, and that's few days.
short note:
1. you don't much care what is the resistance of the ground however it may help
2. you are not much interested what is the current in the ground, however it may help .
3. The
Goubau line is made not by use of single wire ,but by use of single wire coated with dielectric that creates
interface. and the line between two Tesla coils will work only if you have
interface.3a.depends from frequency it may need the
TAPER as explained here:
http://jpier.org/PIERM/pierm54/04.16120207.pdf (http://jpier.org/PIERM/pierm54/04.16120207.pdf)Capturing Surface Electromagnetic Energy into a DC through Single-Conductor Transmission Line at Microwave Frequencies
3b. non coated copper wire will work as well , but if it is not coated than role of dielectric is taken by air.
And space between air and wire is called
interface however nobody tends to recognize it this way.
If you use air as dielectric than you have a lot of losses
4. So how it is that for Goubau line you need to have wire that is coated with dielectric?
Answer: first we need to understand what is interface.:
it is space or rather plane or area between two media with different dielectric or conductive properties.
that includes earth that now is named:
LOSSY CONDUCTIVE MEDIUM.( google it)
examples of interface:
1- dielectric and another dielectric with different dielectric properties
such as
teflon and
polyamide one on the top of another. The space between them is your interface.
for your eye there is no space but for EM wave it is.
2- dielectric and conductive medium
such as copper foil( conductive medium) and air (dielectric)
Because the surface of 1ft wide aluminum foil is better than surface of wire used in Goubau line than we have much less losses if condition needed for energy transmission is met.
example of this interface is here:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=369)3- lossy conductive medium and dielectric
such as earth and air.
there are more types of interface and these interfaces works little different at different frequencies.
That means interface will always be the same interface but means of feeding EM wave into the interface and out may be characteristic to given frequency range.
Failures:The failure of your experiments can be caused also by:
1. lack of impedance match.
2. lack of proper polarization AND BREWSTER ANGLE - that is done (at its easiest) by changing elevation of
top capacitor . HV Tesla coil must be vertical to the ground
3. lack of resonance in both the Tx and Rx Tesla coils
4. standing wave is:
Quotestationary wave, is a wave (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Wave%20wikipedia) which oscillates in time but whose peak amplitude profile does not move in space.
so you need to free some of its energy and feed it into interface at right Brewster angle.
5. your two coil the Tx and Rx system, between two points A and B is
reactive system.
that means its capacitive and inductive - (reactive components ) reactances will be the most important despite the distance between the points. (e.g 30m or 30 000 meters it is always going to be the same dependency present)
6 .wood is not the dielectric for us.
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=412 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=412)That video shows also the difference between dielectric suitable for us and wood table)
the
interface is made by surface of dielectric and air
even if there is not receiving Tesla coil it is capacitive coupling
of lightbulb and my hand -that is my body as part of resonance circuit
7. improper mode of your EM wave
That means that EM wave in its regular form is
TEM ( google it)
Your TEM wave in the interface is now at
TM mode-transverse magnetic mode. ( google it)
Note:
behavior of TEM in
Near Field is different that in
Far Field
typically the
Brewster Angle from
Top Capacitor down to
Earth is
reaching Earth at end of
Near Field
However if Top Capacitor is elevated low above the ground than distance from the bottom of the Tesla Coil to the
point of line drown from Top Capacitor to the Earth surface at 65 to 67 degrees may be shorter than
the end of
Near Field or it can "land" on Earth( - the lossy conductive medium) at
Fresnel Zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone)
so the recommended distance between two Tesla Coils the Tx and Rx at 1.1MHz is more than 21m
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field)
Note:
Please understand that TEM in TM mode is NON-RADIATIVE !!!!!
that means as you are in Far Field you cant receive it in air.
It is not radiating.
Wesley
Transfer energy: https://youtu.be/kg2YG_cWz14
Quote from: gotoluc on September 28, 2019, 08:08:49 PM
Yes Jimboot, we are well aware of them. However, fact is still 99% of the electrical engineering establishment do not believe what they claim is possible.
It will remain a pipe dream until the day they publicly provide the service they claim.
Even then they'll have to deal with maybe years of 3rd party verification's before "The Establishment" is ready to rewrite the possibility of efficient high power wireless transmission.
Understand that even one wire power transmission is not possible according to "The Establishment"
Any educated engineer will tell you current must have a return path.
So just proving efficient one wire power transmission alone will be quite a feat!!!
Regards
Luc
Got it.
Ressurecting some coils. Great setup as usual luc. Thanks Wesley for the cheat sheet.
Thank you Wesley for your posts and details.
Please don't think we are not reading your posts or following your instruction, we are reading but taking very small steps at a time.
We have a retired Lockheed Martin EE and Physicist who comes for coffee every morning and looks at my experiments.
As far as he is concerned , one wire power transmission is not possible let alone long distance efficient wireless power transmission.
We also have EE poynt99 (member here) who also believes one wire power transmission is not possible. So, we are taking our time by doing extra tests trying to satisfy all the possibilities of current return paths.
At this point our Lockheed Martin EE, Physicist is in a confused state as he can no longer explain how the circuit works since we have eliminated most of all possible current return paths.
I'm sharing some of my tests here to help (or maybe confuse) other EE
Hopefully soon we will be moving forward to wireless power transmission by applying what you have been sharing.
Kind regards
Luc
I got few minutes to respond
Fallowing comment is related to one wire transmission of energy known also as
Goubau lineFallowing comment must be read in association with comment indicated by link right below.
in regards to very condensed:
- list of steps to succeed
- list of possible errors
- terms and phenomena needed to be learned and understood
-and very condensed explanation of how to transfer energy from point A to B using different forms of
interface
that was explained here: https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539357/#msg539357 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539357/#msg539357)
There is a misunderstanding of some of you standing that
Quotethat electrical loop must be closed for the current to flow.
simple answer:
EM (
Electro-Magnetic) Electro
magnetic wave doesn't need closed loop nor cares about it.
This type of phenomena is related to
EM and NOT to electrical circuit and its laws.
here is explanation:
EM wave known also as TEM in TM Mode is a must to have to transfer Energy from point A to B on the
Earth/air interface or any other type of
interface listed in link from above
1.-TEM is Transverse Electromagnetic Wave
is a mode of propagation where the electric and magnetic field lines are all restricted to directions normal (
transverse)
to the direction of propagation. Plane
waves are
TEM, however, we are more interested in what types of transmission lines can support
TEM.
- TEM mode is the preferred mode in coax (https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/coax). Under proper conditions, all E-field lines run radially, while magnetic field lines run in circles around the center conductor.
1a.- Criteria for
TEM propagation in transmission lines Five conditions for TEM propagation in a transmission line are below. Most textbooks get the top four correct but fail to mention (5)...
1. Fields are contained in uniform, isotropic dielectric (https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/isotropy-and-anisotropy) material (excludes microstrip). For TEM, there is never a calculation of Keffective (https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/keffective) needed!
2. Two or more conductors are required (excludes rectangular waveguide, but includes parallel-plate waveguide)
3. The conductors must have infinite conductivity. The IR drop across the conductor bends the E-field ever so slightly going forward.
4. The dielectric must be lossless.
5. The cross-section of the transmission line must remain constant (excludes certain types of slow-wave structures (https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/slow-wave-structures))
Conditions (3) and (4) make it impossible to create pure TEM unless you have access to superconductors (https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/superconductors) and a zero-gravity lab so you don't have to support the conductors. But these rules are splitting hairs and can usually be ignored in real life.
here is the link: https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/transverse-electro-magnetic (https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/transverse-electro-magnetic)
==============================================================
After you read it you may partially forget it as this is not the most important for you to know.
==============================================================
And now you are ready to go to that what is important to understand:
1. Basics of TEM, TE, and TM propagation (https://www.testandmeasurementtips.com/basics-of-tem-te-and-tm-propagation/)
2. Easy Explanation of TE and TM modes for Waveguides | Electromagnetic Field Theory Tutorials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XHZB7iDi1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XHZB7iDi1w)
Note:
interface is a form of waveguide as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=5s)
Wesley
Quote from: gotoluc on September 29, 2019, 10:45:01 AM
Thank you Wesley for your posts and details.
Please don't think we are not reading your posts or following your instruction, we are reading but taking very small steps at a time.
We have a retired Lockheed Martin EE and Physicist who comes for coffee every morning and looks at my experiments.
As far as he is concerned , one wire power transmission is not possible let alone long distance efficient wireless power transmission.
We also have EE poynt99 (member here) who also believes one wire power transmission is not possible. So, we are taking our time by doing extra tests trying to satisfy all the possibilities of current return paths.
At this point our Lockheed Martin EE, Physicist is in a confused state as he can no longer explain how the circuit works since we have eliminated most of all possible current return paths.
I'm sharing some of my tests here to help (or maybe confuse) other EE
Hopefully soon we will be moving forward to wireless power transmission by applying what you have been sharing.
Kind regards
Luc
Luc,
Why do you say that you can't send energy to a light bulb with one wire? I've done it a long time ago. It is very easy.
All we need is TT + kacher + wire + bulb + ground. That's all. There is no closed circuit connection. If you want it will show in the movie. You can do it yourself.
Each fluorescent lamp within a tesla coil radius proves that there is energy transmission !!!
Quote from: r2fpl on September 29, 2019, 11:17:49 AM
Luc,
Why do you say that you can't send energy to a light bulb with one wire? I've done it a long time ago. It is very easy.
All we need is TT + kacher + wire + bulb + ground. That's all. There is no closed circuit connection. If you want it will show in the movie. You can do it yourself.
Each fluorescent lamp within a tesla coil radius proves that there is energy transmission !!!
I did not say you can't send power through one wire.
What I said is, the
establishment (teachings) of Electronic or Electrical Engineering says current must have a return path.
There's is
no exception to the teachings.
So if you are a graduated EE like poynt99 or the retired EE & Physicist that visits the lab where I do experiments, you would be looking to explain how the current path is completed.
Poynt99 hypothesized that the current return path was completed through the ground (wireless) all the way to the top capacitance of the Tesla coils.
The retired EE & Physicist first hypothesized the current return path was completed through the air (like radio transmissions)
Each engineer will have their own version or explanation of how the current return path is completed but note none of them will consider it's all done through
one wire since that's contrary to their teachings.
I have no problem believing efficient high power one wire transmission is possible, since I have not been trained by the establishment.
But for those that have, they will not surrender until they find how the current path is completed.
I had no idea of the EE teachings on this subject had no exceptions until the retired EE & Physicist told me about it.
So I'm sharing it here because many experimenters here are not EE let alone Physicists and may assume one wire power transmission is commonly excepted but it's not.
So it may be good to know this if you engaged in an exchange with an EE and why I'm taking the time to share this.
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on September 29, 2019, 02:45:37 PM
I did not say you can't send power through one wire.
What I said is, the establishment (teachings) of Electronic or Electrical Engineering says current must have a return path.
There's is no exception to the teachings.
So if you are a graduated EE like poynt99 or the retired EE & Physicist that visits the lab where I do experiments, you would be looking to explain how the current path is completed.
Poynt99 hypothesized that the current return path was completed through the ground (wireless) all the way to the top capacitance of the Tesla coils.
The retired EE & Physicist first hypothesized the current return path was completed through the air (like radio transmissions)
Each engineer will have their own version or explanation of how the current return path is completed but note none of them will consider it's all done through one wire since that's contrary to their teachings.
I have no problem believing efficient high power one wire transmission is possible, since I have not been trained by the establishment.
But for those that have, they will not surrender until they find how the current path is completed.
I had no idea of the EE teachings on this subject had no exceptions until the retired EE & Physicist told me about it.
So I'm sharing it because many experimenters here are not EE let alone Physicists and may assume one wire power transmission to be commonly excepted.
Regards
Luc
The explanation is probably very simple. This is an electron jump and alignment between + and - except that the potential difference relative to mass (earth) is constantly generated.
Does light or sound; (wave) have to return to the source?
Energy transfer using the TT coil has more than two possibilities.
Quote from: gotoluc on September 29, 2019, 02:45:37 PM
I did not say you can't send power through one wire.
What I said is, the establishment (teachings) of Electronic or Electrical Engineering says current must have a return path.
There's is no exception to the teachings.
Regards
Luc
simple answer:
in our case and in your recent experiment:
EM (
Electro-Magnetic) Electro
magnetic wave doesn't need closed loop nor cares about it.
This type of phenomena is related to
EM and
NOT to electrical circuit and its laws.
more of it is here.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539371/#msg539371 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539371/#msg539371)
Wesley
Quote from: gotoluc on September 28, 2019, 06:28:33 PM
Since we are not dealing with a clean sine wave in both cases the scope averages the frequency based on the wave form shape. The very small difference in frequency the scope displays may not at all be a real change in frequency from the circuit but from a small change in the sine wave shape. Look closely at each wave shape and I'm quite sure you will see a small difference and hence the change.
I'm use to seeing these small digital artifacts affect the frequency data on a digital scope and why I ignored the digits below 1.1Mhz
I'm very confident the transmitter coil is locked at the same resonating frequency in both cases.
...
Hi Luc,
Yes, that is okay what you say on the digital scope frequency measurement when the measured signal is not fully 'clean'. I mentioned the 10 kHz difference because it can steadily be seen at the second decimal places: 1.1
47 MHz and 1.1
37 MHz, and only the third and fourth decimal frequency values change for the case when the coils' bottom wires are grounded to the pipes. But the 10 kHz or so frequency change is a small and negligible issue, especially if we accept that both coils are pulled (downwards) by about 10 kHz. The loaded Q for both coils very likely remains high and this establishes the operating frequency stability for both coils. As you know, the unloded Q comes from X
L/R where R is any coil's DC resistance and L is the inductance for any coil. X
L should be calculated for 1.1 MHz.
The ground resistance meter you show is an interesting instrument. Unfortunately the user manual for it does not include the measuring frequency it uses for ground resistance, at least I did not find any reference in its user manual for this make and type
https://manualzz.com/doc/7219334/ground-tester-manual (https://manualzz.com/doc/7219334/ground-tester-manual) .
I found another make and type, with similar specs and it uses 3.333 kHz measuring frequency when in the ground resistance measurement mode (page 17 in pdf file https://www.instrumart.com/assets/DGC-1000A-manual.pdf (https://www.instrumart.com/assets/DGC-1000A-manual.pdf) ). It is very likely your meter also uses a some kHz test signal in ground resistance mode.
You measured 440 Ohm for one of the copper pipe groundings, does the other pipe have a similar resistance I wonder. When you have time would you check both at the same time.
And in case your meter indeed uses less than 10 kHz test frequency or around that, then your ground resistance can be different at the 1.1 MHz frequency the coils resonate at. The 440 Ohm ground resistance measured at the likely some kHz frequency is much less than the near 2 kOhm DC ground resistance.
Thanks for your efforts and sharing the results.
Gyula
Although we in the interface deal with something that looks like two dimensional space it is helpful first to look at TEM from the perspective of waveguide
I was looking for easy way to explain TE and TM mode but instead going to mathematics lets take look at behavior of wave in closed space
or to be more exact - enclosed space by walls of waveguide .
First and foremost important is that:
- TEM (Transverse ElectroMagnetic) wave, is the wave that is limited in its ability to move to given direction
as
- regular ElectroMagnetic wave can propagate omnidirectionally from single point source - such as Tx( Transmitter)
So by giving a direction or limiting EM wave we creating TEM wave that is exactly the same but now directional.
The waveguide is the device that limits wave in its ability to propagate to just given direction of our choice.
The surface wave in the interface such as Zenneck Wave behaves in similar way to that of waveguide however later on we need to point at differences specific to this behavior in interface.
The quite easy video explaining limitations imposed by us to EM wave causing it to become TEM in TE or TM mode is explained here to some extend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_zKHNYn8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_zKHNYn8Q)
If we have no impedance match at the Rx side with Tx than we will have one of fallowing:
-short circuit
-open circuit
-no load or load that along with our Rx is not matching impedance of Tx.
remember our system of Tx and Rx with interface or with waveguide is the reactive system
In all of the cases we will have reflected wave that will affect our Tx and may even damage it.
and now lets go to specific time in the first video from above here:
https://youtu.be/YQ_zKHNYn8Q?t=245 (https://youtu.be/YQ_zKHNYn8Q?t=245)
- the lector is talking about impedance mismatch.
after you watch that part go here:
and see visual representation of what happened if we have lets say short at end of waveguide ( the effect for all of the cases short open or improper load will be similar- it will be impedance mismatch )
the video named:
A TEM waveguide with a Short Circuit
shows:
The Propagation of a TEM wave in a TEM transmission line with a short circuit on the right side.
Absorbing boundary conditions ABC are placed in the left side.
A sine wave excitation is injected from the left side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-CDmAkJaDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-CDmAkJaDc)
Wesley
To understand that what was written above the beginner needs to understand what is Transverse movement of wave in given direction
and by that it will be easier to understand what I meant while talking about Magnetic field or Electric field perpendicular to direction of propagation.
That makes easier to understand TE and TM mode .
So lets go to basics:
For these who have problem to understand what is Transverse Wave but not yet directional Transverse Magnetic wave
Here is video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iO81v42dQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iO81v42dQA)
Wesley
Thanks Wesley, I like Luc's approach of small steps and I like your distinction of the behavior of the gobau line and why a return path is not required. I've watched a few of your vids and have altered models accordingly so I can adjust height of top load .
I'll working with old coils and building a new circuit and I'm waaaaay less proficient than luc and have less time to dedicate. When I get stuck though I'll be coming back to your posts. I have enough room here to erect something big ;D
#1video made by non professional but talking about the historical facts and one of them is 2018 establishing
office in Bahrain by NewPower cooperating with Viziv Texzon
watch it from here:
https://youtu.be/GZV7-keRFq8?t=1291 (https://youtu.be/GZV7-keRFq8?t=1291)
conclusion:
despite all of the skepticism Corum brothers who are the source of everything around using their business with high rank of former lobbyist,military, known
figures in politics are pushing oil industry to consider:
- what will be the future of oil?
-what will happened if oil industry will be ignoring them?
-will they be willing to cooperate and put billions of their own money to be at the right side at the right time.?
There is no place for everyone there, as someone must be a loser.
Chevron is already sucked into it and Milford Texas Tesla Tower ins the result of that.
For us Viziv is only training ground.
Learning how to send energy from point A to B is mandatory to have practical and theoretical skills to get to the next step:
Extraction of Energy from Schumann waveguide.
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#2Quote from: Jimboot on September 30, 2019, 07:53:13 AM
I have enough room here to erect something big ;D
Size is not so much important. :)
The reason why Viziv is so big is:
- the voltage and power foreseen/ expected (https://www.bing.com/search?q=define+expect) · envisioned (https://www.bing.com/search?q=define+envision) as to be transferred by the tower.
- the frequency of operation 18kHz , Corum Bro's don't yet use CC and CCW winding technique to make coil smaller.,
To make tests with smaller coil:
- the frequency of tests can be as high as 54Mhz..
- the transmitter can be typical Ham transceiver with typical 100W# PEP.( use it only at
10W as you may burn the power transistors due to impedance mismatch)
-at any of ham bands the Ham is allowed to have legal tests .
-the mode of operation CW ( use it in CW at best with electronic keyer , not continuous CW!! as you may burn the power transistors due to impedance mismatch)
-the structure and first tests can be done from starting scratch
in 1 day.(at best using 2 people.)
-The structure can stay there and be used many times with alterations done later.
legal note: HV is dangerous I don't take any responsibility for anything you do.
that note applies to all of my posts and comments in here and in any other pace.
If I'm not the Ham than I must use e.g, - the friend who has FCC approved license to operate at Ham frequencies.
The best advice is do nothing :) heee. Wesley
Thanks Wesley for all the details.
Here are my v 2.0 secondary Tesla coils side by side with the first set I tested.
The new ones are wound on 39" inches long 4" i.d. pvc sewage pipe.
1400 turns of 22 AWG
Wesley, I have a question regarding the primary coil. Could I use 3/8 flexible copper pipe instead of Litz wire?... which is best?... does copper mass matter?
Kind regards
Luc
Yes you can and yes it is recommended
By the way, great job .
http://www.hvtesla.com/primary.html
it doesn't have to be flat coil
Wesley
Quote from: gyulasun on September 29, 2019, 06:29:42 PM
I found another make and type, with similar specs and it uses 3.333 kHz measuring frequency when in the ground resistance measurement mode (page 17 in pdf file https://www.instrumart.com/assets/DGC-1000A-manual.pdf (https://www.instrumart.com/assets/DGC-1000A-manual.pdf) ). It is very likely your meter also uses a some kHz test signal in ground resistance mode.
3.3kHz sound about like the frequency of my meter. Listen to the (below) video again which I purposely brought the camera mic close to the meter and you can clearly hear it. You can download this free audio spectrum analyzer http://www.techmind.org/audio/specanaly.html (http://www.techmind.org/audio/specanaly.html) to find the peak frequency.
https://youtu.be/kCwCf20l6FM (https://youtu.be/kCwCf20l6FM)
Quote from: gyulasun on September 29, 2019, 06:29:42 PM
You measured 440 Ohm for one of the copper pipe groundings, does the other pipe have a similar resistance I wonder. When you have time would you check both at the same time.
Today the original grounding rod I measured with the impedance meter is 340 Ohms and the second one is 640 Ohms
Regards
Luc
Quote from: stivep on September 30, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
Yes you can and yes it is recommended
By the way, great job .
http://www.hvtesla.com/primary.html (http://www.hvtesla.com/primary.html)
it doesn't have to be flat coil
Wesley
Thanks for the reply Wesley
How many turns of 3/8" copper pipe as primary would be needed?
Regards
Luc
what is said down here :
don't take it to consideration yet.
it is just good to know it.
#1
Comment under video listed below is not mine but I like it very much.
It says about CW / CCW / bifilar winding method that can be used for e.g HV Tesla coil
to get less winds and lower frequency of resonance but still get required 1/4th of wavelength or
1/24 or lower but still "resonating" as if it was 1/4th. ( quarterwave )
Tariel Kapanadze used this method in his coil.
QuoteMonofilar and bifilar gives the same DC resistance.
What is different is high frequency impedance.
Bifilar gives lower self resonance frequency.
The principle is that there is a certain parasite capacitance between coil windings, which stores a certain amount of energy.
By winding the coil bifilar, you get substantial bigger voltage differences between adjacent windings and therefore more energy
is being stored in these parasite/self capacitances.
Since the energy stored in a capacitor equals 1/2 C V^2 ( Energy Stored on a Capacitor ),
this is a significant difference in the amount of energy that is being stored in the coils self capacitance.
And since in resonance, this energy is being flipped back and forth between the capacitance (voltage) and the inductance (current, magnetic component).
You get significantly stronger oscillations with bifilar coil at resonance frequency.
Tesla Bifilar Coil DC Resistance: Pancake (1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTf9IlPYmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTf9IlPYmY)
by TinselKoala.
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#2
https://www.teslacoildesign.com/design.html (https://www.teslacoildesign.com/design.html)
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#3
Two
coil or double-resonant circuits - Virtually all present
Tesla coils use the two
coil resonant transformer,
consisting of a
primary winding to which current pulses are applied, and a secondary winding that produces the high voltage, invented by
Tesla in 1891.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil)
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this is just funny video for your entertainment only:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gSXi3BkkNA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gSXi3BkkNA)
Wesley
Luc,
Allow me to ask this:
- Will your power transmission work without the top load capacitors in place?
- If the top terminal is one plate of a capacitor, where or what is the second plate?
- How do capacitors work?
btw, for the record, I am not an EE (and I don't believe I've ever claimed to be).
I was going to be challenging again; but deleted that.
I did run with the dielectric being important....
Vaccuum = 1
air = 1.00000036 or something, basically vaccuum
ptfe/teflon is only at 2.1... (I'll have to strip some wire and see if I really get 2x capacitance with the insulation...)
water though is (87.9, 80.2, 55.5) @ (0, 20, 100 °C) Edit: (:) ya, or vodka)
. should be able to run a single conductor through water and get a really good dielectric self-capacitance increase.
though they seem to call it Relative permittivity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_permittivity) suppose that's why they use water in super caps?
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Re copper pipe primary - tesla coil builders suggest that it be a proportion of the secondary... though when doing a kacher sort of circuit, anywhere from 1 to 12 windings worked, but the resonant frequency would change. There is some sweet balance I'm sure between the inductance/magnetic reactance of the primary vs the secondary that will probably exist, but that's starting to be mechanically resonant. (no help, just personal observations)
Quote from: gotoluc on September 30, 2019, 06:45:05 PM
How many turns of 3/8" copper pipe as primary would be needed?
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=661 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=661)
look here at 2200m
it is 8 turns.
but gauge AWG
1, 2 or
4 electrical wire is perfectly Ok too.
Voltage is determined by turns ratio between primary and secondary not by the gauge.
Here you have calculator:
https://www.teslascientific.com/products/coil-inductance-calculator/ (https://www.teslascientific.com/products/coil-inductance-calculator/)
keep in mind that Tesla coil is a radio frequency (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Radio_frequency) oscillator (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Electronic_oscillator) that drives an air-core
double-tuned resonant transformer (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling)
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Tesla_coil (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Tesla_coil)
spark gap (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Spark_gap) to excite oscillations in the tuned transformer. More sophisticated designs use transistor (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Transistor) or thyristor (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Thyristor)
[15] (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Tesla_coil#cite_note-Haddad-15) switches or vacuum tube (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Vacuum_tube) electronic oscillators (https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Electronic_oscillator) to drive the resonant transformer.
So in early Tariel Kapanadze devices use of spark gap was the easiest way to create wide envelope of suitable frequencies
(at wide bandwidth)
Depends from:
- spark gap distance between electrodes
- voltage delivered to the spark gap
-material used to make spark gap
the Frequencies of very small amplitude growing up to its maximum and that falling down to its minimum
created quite wide top resonance frequencies of few kHz wide amplitude only when:
- given primary winding was tuned by use of capacitor or by puling out/in winds (and by that changing diameter of coil)
So the spark gap by itself made spectrum of frequencies that Have been than shaped/ determined/ dependent
from resonant frequency of primary winding.
However secondary winding has its own resonant frequency-ies ,so function of primary is to deliver electrical potential to secondary.
Because you have ratio of winds of primary vs secondary than like in every transformer voltage at secondary will depend
from that ratio.
e.g if primary is:
- 1 wind/1V than at secondary having 1000 winds (ratio 1:1000) ,voltage = 1000V
and if
- 3 winds/1V than at secondary having 1000 winds ( ratio 3:1000) ,voltage = 333.33V
- 8 winds/1V than at secondary having 1000 winds ( ratio 8:1000) ,voltage = 125.V
so someone may ask
why I need all of this?
example:
we have two coil structure Rx and Tx
.
if your Tx secondary winding of Tesla coil is in resonance but frequency it is not much stable and is drifting left/ right
than if it is feed by nice good stable generator
the bandwidth of this resonance will be narrow.
So Rx( another the same Tesla coil) at some distance from Tx must be sharp tuned to this particular frequency.
But if Rx frequency drifts or Tx frequency drifts than you have no energy transfer from Tx to Rx.
However if you have spark gap in Tx than:
-if Tx drifts than due to wide frequency spectrum created by spark Gap is at high amplitude close to its maximum center and Tx will
transmit at just slightly lower power at closest adjacent frequency to the frequency it drifted from.
Than at some distance we have Rx that can be retuned if needed or just left alone as the energy received is still at satisfactory level.
Summary:
spark gap just is easy way to keep Rx - Tx energy level if system drifts.So what is better
generator or spark gap?
It depends from how good and stable is your mechanical structure of Tesla Coil in terms of:
- mechanical rigidity
- heat absorption and exchange
- stability of top capacitor positioning
- rigidity of capacitive and inductive elements if your structure.
- preventivness (no streamers, sparks all around)
Note: difficult to read but valuable information is here if someone wants to play with spark gap.
but also ab out structure of Tesla coil and
coupling https://www.richieburnett.co.uk/operatn2.html (https://www.richieburnett.co.uk/operatn2.html)
Wesley
If there are countless resonances generated by the spark gap, how are they received and the power generated?
Many people have experimented with Tesla coils and no one has shown anything interesting for an increase in power. Facts: all tesla coils operate rather at frequencies> 800kHz. We don't know what will happen when we reach <100 kHz? maybe it will be the same but maybe nothing more than the right frequency with a narrow range is important! What frequency could it be? Kapanadze only once mentions that it is about 200kHz.
Answer to r2fpl:
if you look at picture from above
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/174139/image// (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/174139/image//)
you see that at max resonance you have significant power increase but at 210khz and 228kHz you have quite wide range of frequencies at 75%
of its maximum resonat power and that energy is ready to be used by drifting Tesla structure.
You are not interested with big power for your experiment.
But if you use single frequency generator than you limited to just 218.6 kHz at 100% of power
Your Tx and Rx must not be drifting more than few hundred Hz.
So spark gap is not efficient but is convenient way to go.
Viziv Tower operates at 20kHz/18kHz so if you say that: most of Tesla coils are resonating at 800kHz it is only your own opinion shared.
Wesley
Quote from: gotoluc on September 30, 2019, 06:05:37 PM
Thanks Wesley for all the details.
Here are my v 2.0 secondary Tesla coils side by side with the first set I tested.
The new ones are wound on 39" inches long 4" i.d. pvc sewage pipe.
1400 turns of 22 AWG
Wesley, I have a question regarding the primary coil. Could I use 3/8 flexible copper pipe instead of Litz wire?... which is best?... does copper mass matter?
Kind regards
Luc
Sweet luc. Are they 3D printed ends inside pvc formers?
Quote from: stivep on October 01, 2019, 07:52:37 AM
Answer to r2fpl:
if you look at picture from above
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/174139/image// (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/174139/image//)
you see that at max resonance you have significant power increase but at 210khz and 228kHz you have quite wide range of frequencies at 75%
of its maximum resonat power and that energy is ready to be used by drifting Tesla structure.
You are not interested with big power for your experiment.
But if you use single frequency generator than you limited to just 218.6 kHz at 100% of power
Your Tx and Rx must not be drifting more than few hundred Hz.
So spark gap is not efficient but is convenient way to go.
Viziv Tower operates at 20kHz/18kHz so if you say that: most of Tesla coils are resonating at 800kHz it is only your own opinion shared.
Wesley
When the spark gap works, it acts like a frequency spectrum noise. Do you think that this noise turns into a pure sine wave and it's all in resonance? If this were the case, the antenna adding the frequency range would suffice. That would be great but too optimistic.
The antenna distance depends on the frequency, so to increase the range you need to use the lowest frequencies. Therefore, Viziv Tower will eventually have to operate on Hz or kHz when there will be more transmitting antennas.
Quote from: poynt99 on September 30, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
- Will your power transmission work without the top load capacitors in place?
It would have to be tested to confirm but I guess the results would be like removing C in an LC tank circuit. Would it still work without C?
Quote from: poynt99 on September 30, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
- If the top terminal is one plate of a capacitor, where or what is the second plate?
That's an interesting question!...to which brings another question. Must a capacitor have 2 physical plates to qualify or even function as capacitance?
Quote from: poynt99 on September 30, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
- How do capacitors work?
I'm no expert but I think it's an electrostatic charge that clings to the surface of a dielectric material.
Quote from: poynt99 on September 30, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
btw, for the record, I am not an EE (and I don't believe I've ever claimed to be).
Thanks for your honesty. I must of assumed you were an EE because of your knowledge and certainty on the subject you've displayed over the years.
Kind regards
Luc
Quote from: Jimboot on October 01, 2019, 07:56:14 AM
Are they 3D printed ends inside pvc formers?
No, I cut those by hand from 1/2" PVC board from Home Depot.
Cheers
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on September 30, 2019, 06:32:12 PM
3.3kHz sound about like the frequency of my meter. Listen to the (below) video again which I purposely brought the camera mic close to the meter and you can clearly hear it. You can download this free audio spectrum analyzer http://www.techmind.org/audio/specanaly.html (http://www.techmind.org/audio/specanaly.html) to find the peak frequency.
https://youtu.be/kCwCf20l6FM (https://youtu.be/kCwCf20l6FM)
Today the original grounding rod I measured with the impedance meter is 340 Ohms and the second one is 640 Ohms
Regards
Luc
Hi Luc,
Thanks for the link on the audio spectrum analyzer and for the ground impedance measurements.
So much change in the sandy soil conductivity one would not know without instruments or without appropiate measurements and it surely changes with frequency too.
Gyula
#69:
instead 2 plates also equivalent : 2 coils
subiect:SLOW WAVE
reason:- slow wave can explain why Tariel Kapanadze coil is so small
-make Tesla coil smaller even though the frequency for given 1/4 y is very low
source:
http://www.padrak.com/vesperman/A_Technical_Analysis_of_Tesla%27s_Extra_Coil_6.24.14.pdf (http://www.padrak.com/vesperman/A_Technical_Analysis_of_Tesla%27s_Extra_Coil_6.24.14.pdf)
factors making Tesla coil electrically small yet still performing:
-slow wave
-CW and CCW winding
- resonant cavities/ half rings ( this part is controversial to some of you even if it was explained by Dr Corum)
stored:
here and in https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg539447/#msg539447 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg539447/#msg539447)
Wesley
Quote from: gotoluc on October 01, 2019, 11:56:57 AM
It would have to be tested to confirm but I guess the results would be like removing C in an LC tank circuit. Would it still work without C?
That's an interesting question!...to which brings another question. Must a capacitor have 2 physical plates to qualify or even function as capacitance?
I'm no expert but I think it's an electrostatic charge that clings to the surface of a dielectric material.
Thanks for your honesty. I must of assumed you were an EE because of your knowledge and certainty on the subject you've displayed over the years.
Kind regards
Luc
I doubt the TC would work that well without the top-load capacitor. The question was intended to foster contemplation on the matter. What about a single stand-alone TC? Certainly the top-load "capacitor" does not comprise both plates of a capacitor? Then what could be the other plate?
Of course a capacitor must have two "plates", otherwise it is not a capacitor. Once again, what might constitute the second plate when it comes to a TC?
The dielectric. Hmm, what exactly is that? Does a capacitor need one to have capacitance?
Suppose the top-load of a TC is only one half of the capacitor? Suppose in the scenario in which you have two TC's situated and connected as you do, might each top-load plate constitute one plate of a common capacitor, and the ether (air) between them the dielectric? Might such a case represent a conventional closed circuit?
#74 : a capacitor is also called in german Kondensator
" Capacitor" translated
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.formel-sammlung.de%2Fformel-Kondensatoren-3-30-182.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.formel-sammlung.de%2Fformel-Kondensatoren-3-30-182.html)
Original in german: Kondensator
https://www.formel-sammlung.de/formel-Kondensatoren-3-30-182.html (https://www.formel-sammlung.de/formel-Kondensatoren-3-30-182.html)
a capacitor/Kondensator does not be based by min. 2 " plates" but by min. 2 electrodes and a dielectric space.
the " plates" as surface can exist as foils or coils.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=2009154492A3&KC=A3&FT=D# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=2009154492A3&KC=A3&FT=D#)
turned coils + insulation as capacitor/Kondensator
representing an alternative to these band foils capacitor/Kondensator here
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040226&CC=DE&NR=20317795U1&KC=U1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040226&CC=DE&NR=20317795U1&KC=U1#)
Function : Blindleistung/ reactive power to Wirkleistung/ active power by Ampere-turns modulation ( ~ RPM)
magnetic field ( streng) x magnetic flux
x 1/2 positive half period + 1/2 negative half period excitation by frequency
frequency barrier : resistance,permissivity,Currie-temperature
capacitor/Kondensator physically : electro-static magnet ; potential energy to kinetic energy ( push or pull)
Kondensat ~ Lev Landaus cosmic Aether to Einstein-Bose Kondensat ,"Fluidum"
https://books.google.pt/books?id=VGd4DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=einstein-bose+kondensat+aether&source=bl&ots=alcw4Vs_45&sig=ACfU3U1jMWFZcAqdVz4cXv9s0GZ_hRYmmw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj77q7oy_zkAhUN4BoKHbbRCh4Q6AEwC3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=einstein-bose%20kondensat%20aether&f=false
Looped system: https://youtu.be/NogGKkxB1NE
Quote from: r2fpl on October 02, 2019, 10:22:57 AM
Looped system: https://youtu.be/NogGKkxB1NE (https://youtu.be/NogGKkxB1NE)
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg539474/#msg539474
Wesley
Quote from: poynt99 on October 01, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
I doubt the TC would work that well without the top-load capacitor.
I don't know for sure but it looks like this guy did about 50 feet (15 meters) transmission through one wire without the top-load capacitor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0)
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on October 02, 2019, 10:35:20 PM
I don't know for sure but it looks like this guy did about 50 feet (15 meters) transmission through one wire without the top-load capacitor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtG5nU34WQ0)
Regards
Luc
A capacitor is not needed, but a light bulb that has to be matched with impedance is important.
You have two bulbs and each has 75W but they are different in performance. One will glow and the other will not.
Another variant: 230V 75W light bulb switched on and 12V 6W will not work.
longitudinal wave and effect Kapanadze. Black is output.
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Hi guys,
Here is a single wire transmission preliminary test (not yet ideal) of my new v2.0 Tesla Coil
Link to video demo: https://youtu.be/AdiOlxIo5ZU (https://youtu.be/AdiOlxIo5ZU)
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on October 03, 2019, 09:07:33 PM
Hi guys,
Here is a single wire transmission preliminary test (not yet ideal) of my new v2.0 Tesla Coil
Link to video demo: https://youtu.be/AdiOlxIo5ZU (https://youtu.be/AdiOlxIo5ZU)
Regards
Luc
:o as always. awesome work. Glad you used the 18W lamp :) Did you try TKs circuit on these also? Interested know the difference with your pulsed DC. All the best with the tuning. Adjustable TL height?
Good People Have you seen my movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMK0B9ljNrc
www.TamasEduard.com (http://www.tamaseduard.com)
Good job Luc 8)
Quote from: Jimboot on October 04, 2019, 04:03:00 AM
Did you try TKs circuit on these also? Interested know the difference with your pulsed DC. All the best with the tuning. Adjustable TL height?
Yes Jimboot, I tried TK's circuit but the pulsed dc circuit is the most efficient because I can fine tune perimeters (frequency & pulse width) to the point where the mosfet stays cool, At 1 Amp it's barely warm but interestingly enough, the heavy wire primary gets warmer then the mosfet.
I haven't yet rigged up the top-capacitance to raise or lower. That will get done next week.
Cheers
Luc
Dear Luc ...Can you try to feed Tx Tesla Coil with spark gap?Spark gap as heaving wide spectrum of frequencies can be regulated in its frequency response by changing both
the spark gap distance between electrodes and Voltage by using Variak( autotransformer)
1.
One of examples of low audiable frequencies resonance transmitters here:
QuoteThe English engineer William Duddell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Duddell) discovered how to make a resonant circuit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_circuit) using a carbon arc lamp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_arc_lamp).
Duddell's "musical arc" operated at audio frequencies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_frequencies), and Duddell himself concluded that it was impossible to make
the arc oscillate at radio frequencies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequencies).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequencies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequencies)
so with spark gap it is quite easy to go from center having maximum of amplitude at 15kHz to 500kHz.
2.
example of Tx using Tesla Coil at:
-range at center of e.g
~250kHz -lower edge ~20kHz
-upper edge of ~500kHz
using spark gap connected to primary will have its maximum at
100% of amplitude at
250kHzand its
75% of amplitude at its low
~170 kHz and respectively
~320kHz3.
-if spark gap distance between electrodes is small the voltage feeding spark gap can be small.
-if significant break between pulses is required than the oldest method was rotary mechanical wheel with 4 to 8 contacts rotating between two
electrodes of spark gap. or in modern concept it was thiristor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyristor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyristor)
4.
look at the picture below and curve of Poulsen's arc only.
Don't pay attention to any other curve on the picture.
QuoteValdemar Poulsen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdemar_Poulsen) succeeded in raising the efficiency and frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency) to the desired level.
Poulsen's arc could generate frequencies of up to 200 kilohertz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) and was patented in 1903.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_converter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_converter)
So why do we need it:
-Tariel Kapanadze, SR 193, Akula, Ruslan.. in their first concept devices used spark gap.
-Surface wave in the wire coated with dielectric e.g coaxial cable (Goubau line) differs from interface e.g aluminum foil and air
not to much.
So once is tried with one wire energy transmission from point A to point B it can be applied also to interface based devices.
We need to understand, that science tends to give different names to the same phenomena where physical processes are alike
based on slight differences specific to each one of them .
-e.g
Goubau line uses wire coated with dielectric and that should be named the interface, but it is not.
-
two dielectrics differing with their dielectric properties such as Teflon and Polyamide makes interface
-
conductive medium such as aluminum foil and air creates interfaced as well
-
lossy conductive medium a such as earth and air creates interface too
and so on...
The benefit: if frequency drift from main e.g 250kHz there is always adjacent frequency next to it having enough of amplitude to take over and carry on generation at not less than 75% of max amplitude
so this was the first "automatic" frequency adjustment system in year 1900
Wesley
Quote from: poynt99 on October 01, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
What about a single stand-alone TC? Certainly the top-load "capacitor" does not comprise both plates of a capacitor? Then what could be the other plate?
Your questions are based on your mindset that capacitance needs two physical plates to qualify as a capacitor. It does not. However, if you want to use capacitance in modern day electronic circuits, then yes, you need two plates.
In the case of a TC there's a electrostatic field that builds up between the secondary coil surface and the top capacitance surface. They mutually interact without physical termination (plates).
Quote from: poynt99 on October 01, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
Of course a capacitor must have two "plates", otherwise it is not a capacitor.
Fact is, capacitance does not need two plates to exist or even discharge. There is no plate in the ionosphere and charges interact (lightning) all the time.
A balloon has no plates and can be charged or discharged. So I consider it a capacitor.
Plates can be used as an electrical conduit if one wishes to terminate a charge (capacitance) at a specific location and I guess that's when you consider it a capacitor.
Quote from: poynt99 on October 01, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
Once again, what might constitute the second plate when it comes to a TC?
I can guess you want me to say that each Tesla coil top capacitance makes a two plate capacitor but that's your belief not mine.
Quote from: poynt99 on October 01, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
The dielectric. Hmm, what exactly is that? Does a capacitor need one to have capacitance?
No, a dielectric is not a must since air capacitors exist but their capacitance possess the smallest values. The more air space between plates the smaller the capacitance value. So 95% of the capacitors used in electronics have a dielectric material of some kind.
Quote from: poynt99 on October 01, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
Suppose the top-load of a TC is only one half of the capacitor? Suppose in the scenario in which you have two TC's situated and connected as you do, might each top-load plate constitute one plate of a common capacitor, and the ether (air) between them the dielectric? Might such a case represent a conventional closed circuit?
I suppose if one had the TC lined up and in close proximity one may conclude it could be a conventional closed loop circuit but the more I pursue it and further push the possibilities like in my latest video demo the less it's supporting your theory.
Here is the latest video if you missed it: https://youtu.be/AdiOlxIo5ZU (https://youtu.be/AdiOlxIo5ZU)
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on October 04, 2019, 12:30:36 PM
Your questions are based on your mindset that capacitance needs two physical plates to qualify as a capacitor. It does not. However, if you want to use capacitance in modern day electronic circuits, then yes, you need two plates.
In the case of a TC there's a electrostatic field that builds up between the secondary coil surface and the top capacitance surface. They mutually interact without physical termination (plates).
Fact is, capacitance does not need two plates to exist or even discharge. There is no plate in the ionosphere and charges interact (lightning) all the time.
A balloon has no plates and can be charged or discharged. So I consider it a capacitor.
Plates can be used as an electrical conduit if one wishes to terminate a capacitance at a specific location and I guess that's when you consider it a capacitor.
I can guess you want me to say that each Tesla coil top capacitance makes a two plate capacitor but that's your belief not mine.
No, a dielectric is not a must since air capacitors exist but their capacitance possess the smallest values. The more air space between plates the smaller the capacitance value.
So 95% of the capacitors used in electronics have a dielectric material of some kind.
I suppose if one had the TC lined up and in close proximity one may conclude it could be a conventional closed loop
circuit but the more I pursue it and further push the possibilities like in my latest video demo the less it's supporting your theory.
Well I have problem with your answer:
Everything in nature needs a balance.
Top Capacitor has difference of potential between Earth and itself
Top Capacitor has difference of potential between any structure that is less positively charged .
Top Capacitor is just
one plate that is charged against something that it could be refereed to.
The ionosphere is verified in its potential against the opposite of its sign in charge and that is Earth.
There is no such thing like one single charge in space with no "opposites"
Charge is an "elevation." in general means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge)
In atomic structure the electrons heaving higher charge are more far from nuclei.
And these electrons occupies higher orbit in the electron cloud.
changing the charge to higher makes them to leave the atom and that is the basic of electric current flow.
If something is elevated in anything, solids liquids, altitude it is always measured against something.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/find-the-magnitude-and-sign-of-the-point-charge-at-the-origin.225276/
(https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/find-the-magnitude-and-sign-of-the-point-charge-at-the-origin.225276/)
The earth can be considered as a single-conductor capacitor. It can also be considered in combination with a charged layer
of the atmosphere, the ionosphere, as a spherical capacitor with two plates, the surface of the earth being the negative plate.
The ionosphere is at a level of about 70km, and the potential difference between earth and ionosphere is about 350000V.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-earths-capacitance.655604/
Wesley
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Quote from: stivep on October 04, 2019, 01:18:08 PM
I have problem with your answer
Maybe because my answers are
only addressing a specific conversation between poynt99 and myself and are not to be taken as a general view.
I don't disagree with anything you wrote. I just don't understand how it fits with our conversation, so please allow me to be specific.
What ponynt99 has been saying (which you did not specifically address) is how the transfer of power is taken place between Tesla Coils.
poynt99 is convinced the transfer of power is taking place between the single wire and TC top capacitance linking together (2 plate capacitor) through the ground to complete the current return path.
I conclude the power is being
all transmitted through the single wire between each TC.
The TC top capacitance are
single plate capacitor and not linked in any way.
Which way do you agree it works?... if you don't agree with either then please explain in a simple and specific way as I did.
Kind regards
Luc
in regards to
Quote from: gotoluc on October 04, 2019, 05:40:58 PM
Quote#1capacitance does not need two plates to exist or even discharge.
Quote#2 A balloon has no plates and can be charged or discharged. So I consider it a capacitor.
Short answer:
add#1 two plates are required
add#2 balloon is just one of plates( point of charge)
Long Answer:
capacitance is the property of capacitor and it doesn't exist without capacitor.-coil has capacitance as reactive component of impedance and that is perfectly normal to say that coil is the "coil-capacitor"
-
piece of wire on the table connected to nothing has capacitance as reactive component of its own impedance
and that is perfectly normal to say that coil is the "coil-capacitor" and Yes it can resonate.
All depends from value of its reactive capacitive component : capacitive reactance at given frequency.
By that the vertical dipole antenna in your car can receive FM radio stations if it is in resonance,that means the two of dipole antenna reactive components
the
-inductive reactance
and
-CAPACITIVE REACTANCE
CANCELS ITSELF AS THEY ARE EQUAL IN MAGNITUDE-but opposite one to another
the only what is left at that point is resistive component that exists all the time despite the fact of us dealing with DC or AC.
So again :
Such a condition is called resonance.
start to watch from here https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=142
Resonance can exist in both the parallel resonance circuit and series resonance circuit, even if we deal with wire on the table not connected to anything.
and it experiences both the parallel and series resonance however never at the same time and at the same frequency.
It can have also series/parallel combination of resonance but that is extreme case so forget it.
Example:
It resonates if its length is equal to conditions causing resonance (e.g 1/4y)
Coil has increased capacitive component, due to wind to wind space or diameter of wire/foil used.
Typical foil capacitor is two or more coils and its capacitive component for AC is significantly higher than its inductive component.
If you were to connect each of the singular coils of that foil capacitor into separate circuit you will get 1:1 transformer with no core and separated by insulating wax paper
( electrolytic capacitors are excluded from that explanation)
So the bottom line is that if you
charge one side of capacitor this charge will always have vector of force at given direction.
balloon will always have charge that is refereed to earth or to any closer body of lesser or opposite sign.
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Quotepoynt99 is convinced the transfer of power is taking place between the single wire and TC top capacitance which are linking together to complete the current return path (2 plate capacitor)
Closed circuit is only required when you deal with DC or AC but not when you deal with EM wave.
In regular transmitter : You may transmit energy into an antenna and than to
Far Field when you first resonate than radiate and never reverse.
In regular transmitter ( not Tesla Coil with TC in our case ):
after you radiated energy, you can switch OFF the transmitter and EM wave will travel forever till totally dissipates due to losses
However it is different story with :
1. Zenneck Wave or surface wave in the interface.and it acts as said right below
2. In case of EM wave in
Goubau line or in interface
when you transmit you have
surface wave in the interface or
Goubau dielectric coated wireWhen you stop to transmit you have nothing there.
=============================================================================
QuoteI conclude the power is being all transmitted through the single wire between each TC
.
That is correct.
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QuoteThe TC top capacitance are single plate capacitor and not linked in any way.
The top capacitor is ( one of plates of capacitor)the part of electrical circuit of the single structure of that particular Tesla coil acting as transmitter.
The rules of closed circuit applies only to that Tx
However since Tx Rx structure as one is reactive in its nature the impedance match between Tx and Rx is required
When you change anything in Rx that makes impedance match non existing than you are causing the Tx to suffer.
That moment has nothing to do with closed path of closed circuit.
when there is no impedance match you have bad SWR or VSWR to be exact. The reflected EM wave from detuned Rx is bouncing back to the Tx
and it may cause its damage or its generator damage.
Impedance match at Rx site is achieved by all components of Rx including the load
That is one of major problems of Viziv trying to commercially use surface wave known as Zenneck wave in the interface air/earth (also known as lossy dielectric and dielectric interface)
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on October 04, 2019, 06:40:55 PM
The top capacitor is the part of electrical circuit of the single structure of that particular Tesla coil acting as transmitter.
The rules of closed circuit applies only to that Tx
However since Tx Rx structure as one is reactive in its nature the impedance match between Tx and Rx is required
When you change anything in Rx that makes impedance match non existing that you are causing the Tx to suffer.
That moment has nothing to do with closed path of closed circuit.
when there is no impedance match you have bad SWR or VSWR to be exact. The reflected EM wave from detuned Rx is bouncing back to the Tx
and it may cause its damage or its generator damage.
Just to be clear, in my tests, the Tesla Coils
wireless power transmission possibility or properties is not used (bypassed) by the single wire connected to the bottom secondary wire of each coil.
I believe the distance between Tx and Rx could be miles apart and still transfer the same power if theoretically I had an ideally shielded wire. I wish I had 1000 feet of this wire to test its capabilities.
Regards
Luc
Not I must disagree.
first don't confuse single wire transmission with single wire and earth return.( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_transmission_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_transmission_line) )
QuoteAt the end of the 19th century, Nikola Tesla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla) demonstrated that by using an
electrical network (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_network) tuned to resonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance) it was possible to transmit electric power using only a
single conductor, with no need for a return wire. This was spoken of as the "transmission of electrical energy
through one wire without return".
single wire with earth return is closed circuit No EM.
We are not interested with that.
Single wire Goubau is that what we are talking ABOUT .
Please read whole article from Wikipedia
(link above) Wesley
Quote from: gotoluc on October 04, 2019, 05:40:58 PM
I don't disagree with anything you wrote. I just don't understand how it fits with our conversation, so please allow me to be specific.
I agree with Wesley also, and Wesley brought up the inferences I was hoping you would make.
Quote
poynt99 is convinced the transfer of power is taking place between the single wire and TC top capacitance linking together (2 plate capacitor) through the ground to complete the current return path.
Not actually. What I proposed is that the circuit is formed by the connecting wire, and the air capacitor, which itself is formed between the two top-load plates and the air. Ground is not necessarily in play here. I was hoping I wouldn't need to make an electrical equivalent drawing, but here it is.
Quote
The TC top capacitance are single plate capacitor and not linked in any way.
What leads you to the conclusion that they are not linked?
The system shown on the picture above will work as
single wire with return but this is not what we are interested with
However this particular concept needs to have impedance match as well.
It is similar to regular Tx with coaxial cable as transmission line. Usually 75 or 50 Ohm.
or
to one of few concepts of single wire with earth return
and it is also reactive system even if I said in post above that :
Quotesingle wire with earth return is closed circuit No EM.
It can but it doesn't have to be reactive.
that depends from : How the system is made.
The answer is in details.1. single wire with return =
( is also the same as) single wire with earth return
2. single wire with earth return as closed circuit no EM
There two are two different systems:
the #1 is usually reactive system =
( is also the same as) Tx with coax cable and load matching impedance of transmission line of that Tx
the #2 is typical electric circuit and requires to be electrically closed circuit
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In reactive systems there are 3 major components to be matched :
1.Traditional system with traditional Tx
a. impedance of Tx e.g 50 Ohm must be matched by
b. transmission line e.g coax cable 50 Ohm and than
c. impedance of the load e.g antenna or lightbulb or resistor must be 50 Ohm to match impedance of transmission line ( the coax)
2. Tesla coil with Goubau line ( the dielectric coated wire)
a. impedance of Tx e.g 50 Ohm
or whatever is the impedance must be matched by
b. transmission line e.g Goubau line e.g 50 Ohm
or whatever is the impedance and than
c. impedance of the load e.g Rx-Tesla Coil with load e.g 50 Ohm
or whatever is the impedance must match that of transmission line
Again please understand that this
(or any impedance) has not much to do with resistance of the wire used as Goubau line.
And Resistance is only one of 3 elements of impedance.
Impedance is also measured in Ohms
Wesley
the some of examples of impedance matching related to post above:
1. https://www.hobbyradio.se/en/eh/ehbenchtest_en.html (https://www.hobbyradio.se/en/eh/ehbenchtest_en.html) ( not so much important)
2.traditional impedance matching with three components :
- Tx ( RF amplifier)
- Transmission line
- antenna ( or resistive load/ dummy load)
Wesley
Quote from: poynt99 on October 04, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
Not actually. What I proposed is that the circuit is formed by the connecting wire, and the air capacitor, which itself is formed between the two top-load plates and the air. Ground is not necessarily in play here.
Actually,
exactly as I wrote and you originally proposed. You're just changing your mind from what you originally wrote and dropping the ground path idea.
Here's what you originally wrote.
Quote from: poynt99 on September 20, 2019, 07:37:49 PM
circuit is completed via the path from the top capacitance of the TC's to earth ground.
A Faraday shield around the RX coil won't shield the effect because essentially the earth is being used as the return conductor.
The shield may even improve the effect as it could increase the conductivity from the RX top capacitor to earth ground.
Sounds to me like you were saying earth ground was the return conductor?
So what about the Faraday cage now that you changed your mind about the ground being used as the return conductor. Would your new theory of air capacitive coupling still work through a Faraday cage?
Quote from: poynt99 on October 04, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
What leads you to the conclusion that they are not linked?
The fact that an air capacitor looses most of it's capacitance value with increased distance between plates. Just a change of plate distance from 1/32nd of an inch to 1/2 an inch is a huge drop in capacitance, let alone a distance of 50 feet!
Quote from: poynt99 on October 04, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
I was hoping I wouldn't need to make an electrical equivalent drawing, but here it is.
Thanks for the drawing. I took the liberty to make correction to truly reflect the reality of my device under test so everyone understands what you are now proposing.
I must admit I'm having as much difficulty accepting your newer 50 feet air capacitor distance between TC top cap plates proposal then your previous TC top cap down through earth ground return path.
At least you're out of the ground now and closer to what the Physicist has been entertaining.
BTW, if you or anyone else can think of a test I can do to prove or disprove a 50 feet distance between plates air capacitor is capable of completing a current path (15 watts transfer) between Tx and Rx I'm all ears and ready to learn something I think is not possible.
Kind regards
Luc
That's how energy is transferred through one wire.
I made it even easier
Wesley
the same but using foil instead of wire
And now we dealing with one of forms of interface
made from;
- foil ( copper or aluminum) the conductive medium and
- air the dielectric medium
in picture where it says connecting wire there is no connecting wire and instead there is foil
black arrows are indicating that you can tune the device by lifting up and down TC ( Top Capacitor)
Wesley
The same but using earth the lossy conductive medium instead of foil
in picture where it says connecting wire there is no connecting wire and instead there is earth
black arrows are indicating that you can tune the device by lifting up and down TC ( Top Capacitor)
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on October 05, 2019, 06:45:22 PM
The same but using earth the lossy conductive medium instead of foil
in picture where it says connecting wire there is no connecting wire and instead there is earth
Wesley
Yes, I did that test with 10ft deep x 3/4 inch pure copper grounding rods and
only 15 feet apart and got
zero watt transfer.
I'm quite sure that's when poynt99 changed his mind about the ground being a conductive medium for the TC top caps.
Don't get me wrong, I do believe ground can be used as a conductor but in some parts of the world where the ground is mostly sand, the cost to create a low impedance ground could be very costly, maybe $5k or more.
Regards
Luc
I explained quite detailed conditions for impedance match.
apart from that you need:
- vertical polarization
- your wave must be in TM mode
- right Brewster angle( wave tilt)
- and possibly phase match ( may not be critical)
Your videos shows small fixed Top Capacitors with no ability to move up/down
Your distance was 15ft try 60ft and your TEM changed to TM mode might be already in the interface
This is the right size of Top capacitor and distance from the earth or foil:
D= or > 4d
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=950 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=950)
But that does'n yet give you the right height.
Moving TC up down makes the tuning .
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Everything is in my posts from above and in my video.
I suggest to try now foil instead of wire next you can try air earth interface
keep the distance at 60ft if possible if not than 25 ft is OK too.
The frequency used at test below was 27MHz
But you can use any frequency of your choice below 54MHz
Wesley
isn't foil just a conductor?
could you put the foil through a water bath? :)
I mean to look-up - are tesla capacitors actually an inner post and outer plate? or are they just two sets of bottles with a single conductor in each? With no current exchange between the bottles?
(I wish there was a fixed point font - code or pre)
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I made this: https://gitter.im/FreedomCollective/PureEnergy I'm @d3x0r there too It's more like slack/;discord, but less noisy because it's for sharing project information.
Maybe a bit too early but this will explain a lot in next steps :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrDxSM91Jcg
Quote from: groot on October 06, 2019, 09:47:07 AM
Maybe a bit too early but this will explain a lot in next steps :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrDxSM91Jcg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrDxSM91Jcg)
Yes this video is amazing thank you for that.
This is a lot to talk about it but I'm on something now
I'll be back...soon
Wesley
Just as in video posted earlier.
Transmission line is my tesla coil ( top load and secondary coil ) at 1/4 wavelenght of 480 feet and resonance frequency of 512 kHz.
Apparently my cheap scope can picture this idea only when feed with square wave and i lack skill to observe sine wave this way.
thank you
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t will redirect you to
https://www.biodyncorp.com/tools/450/impedance.html (https://www.biodyncorp.com/tools/450/impedance.htmlMechanism) - this link alone may not work try upper one.
Important for:
- Luc
-any other builder of the Tesla coil and for Tesla coil Tx Rx energy transmission system form point A to B
- Tesla coil extracting energy from Schumann waveguide builder
Mechanism explained in this link shows interaction of my body with Lightbulb I was holding in my hand .
I was not touching metal contact of the lightbulb.
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=416 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=416)
My body reacted as part of electrical circuit and it was( reactively) - capacitively coupled to the lightbulb
And now forget about me and my body
Just take it as solution that can be applied to any resonance circuit so
- the same mechanism can be applied to our Tesla coil.
Our goal is to create TEM in TM mode
and we are using the same elements of impedance:
( capacitive and inductive reactances and resistance )
to provide impedance match between Tx and Rx.
Or to be more accurate what is the relation of the:
- phase angle and resonant circuit reactive components XL and Xc
The two of the components makes X( the reactance)
The X and R( resistance of the conductor) makes Z( the impedance)
That Z can be:
- our body Z
or
- our wire in our coil Z
and/or
- our primary or secondary HV coil
and/or
- our primary or secondary HV coil and Top Capacitor
or
- any of elements of the structure that in summary makes the total impedance of
Tx system or Tx/Rx pair connected by use of interface
Types of interface:
-e.g
Goubau line uses wire coated with dielectric and that should be named the interface, but it is not.
- two dielectrics differing with their dielectric properties such as Teflon and Polyamide makes interface
- conductive medium such as aluminum foil and air creates interfaced as well
- lossy conductive medium a such as earth and air creates interface too
and so on...
more is here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539517/#msg539517 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539517/#msg539517)
We also need to provide condition to our Tx where the
two components of impedance cancel each other and our HV part
of Tesla Coil will be in resonance by that.
So simply by looking at the graph you can see how Phase angle is responsible for other elements of impedance listed here (and/or reverse).
look at the picture below read everything but don't read words "human body"
and that explains what is going on in Tesla coil
I hope that is easy to understand.
So why do we need it?
Answer:
This is mechanism of Tuning of our Tx and Rx
Wesley
Wesley
Two coaxial cable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4TVefHjk-U
Quote from: r2fpl on October 07, 2019, 07:47:00 AM
Two coaxial cable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4TVefHjk-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4TVefHjk-U)
Witajcie.
Nie jestem pewien, jaką część testu uważasz za interesującą?
Nie widzę, która to jest niebieska sonda, a która żółta sonda na oscyloskopie.
Zauważyłem 180 stopniowe przesunięcie fazowe pomiędzy wejściem i wyjściem, kiedy fala sinusoidalna jest powtarzana.
Proszę napisać po polsku, żebym mógł tłumaczyć.
Dziękuję
Hello
I'm not sure what part of your test you find interesting?
I can't see which is the blue probe or yellow probe on the oscilloscope.
I noticed a 180 degrees phase shift between input and output when sine wave is repeated.
Please write in Polish so I can translate.
Thank you
A 180 degree shift for the same signal is interesting when TWO wires are connected.
See that the yellow output amplitude is greater than the input. You will only see this when you match the resistor.
I am not saying anything yet.
Yellow - ch1 (left side on video) OUTPUT
Blue - ch2 (right side on video) + SG
PIC: (square, sine)
Quote from: r2fpl on October 07, 2019, 10:26:37 AM
A 180 degree shift for the same signal is interesting when two wires are connected.
See that the yellow output amplitude is greater than the input. You will only see this when you match the resistor.
I am not saying anything yet.
Yellow - ch1 (left side on video) OUTPUT
Blue - ch2 (right side on video) + SG
PIC: (meander, sine)
Dzięki za zdjęcia oscyloskopu.
Teraz jest bardzo jasne, co pokazujesz.
Czy pierwszy oscyloskop obrazuje wejście fali kwadratowej, a drugi oscyloskop obrazuje wejście fali sinusoidalnej?
Czy jest jakaś różnica, czy kabel koncentryczny jest cewką czy nie?
Dziękujemy za udostępnienie
Uwzględnia
Luc
Thanks for the oscilloscope pictures.
Now it is very clear what you are showing.
Is the first oscilloscope pictures a square wave input and the second oscilloscope pictures a sine wave input?
Is there a difference if the coaxial cable is a coil or not?
Thank you for sharing
Regards
Luc
Quote from: gotoluc on October 07, 2019, 10:54:05 AM
1.Is the first oscilloscope pictures a square wave input and the second oscilloscope pictures a sine wave input?
2.Is there a difference if the coaxial cable is a coil or not?
1. YES (square, sine)
2. no coil.
Difference measurement with LED
https://youtu.be/PJwnof1eLwU
From Wesley: Special Thank you
speedy125PART#1
IMPORTANT!!
speedy125 send link:This work was supported in part by the Guangdong Natural Science Funds for Distinguished Young Scholar under GrantTitle:
Title:
Wireless Energy Harvesting by Direct Voltage Multiplication on Lateral Waves From a Suspended Dielectric Layer
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760)
Marconi's early experiments,
ABSTRACT:
This paper explores the feasibility of wireless energy harvesting by direct voltage multiplication on lateral waves.
Quotewireless energy was successfully and safely transmitted and harvested over 2 miles of a hilly area by grounding
and lengthening monopole antenna as a way to reduce
the aperture size of the antenna. Marconi concluded from his first breakthrough experiment that his antenna
radi-ated vertically polarized radio waves that could travel distances much longer than other conventional counter-
parts. Later, he even achieved non-line-of-sight (NLOS) propagation of wireless power across the Atlantic
QuoteTrapped surface wave is an evanescent wave propagating by successive internal reflections due to an incident electromagnetic wave
striking at an interface with an angle greater than the critical angle
QuoteTrapped surface wave is an evanescent wave propagating by successive internal reflections due to an incident
electromag-netic wave striking at an interface with an angle greater than the critical angle.
So that says that angle can be bigger than instead of statement of Corum Bros that angle of wave tilt in significantly critical
and must be exact. This information sufficiently simplifies our study and experiments
However Dr King stays that:
This lateral wave( another name for Surface Wave although some scholars see the differences between the two)
is a
Quotevertically polarized electromagnetic wave on the top surface of the ground as a result of an incident electromagnetic
wave striking the air-ground interface from below at exactly the critical angle
QuoteInterface between two different dielectric media, the critical angle is only applicable to the dielectric medium with a higher refractive index.To excite this lateral wave, it is logical to bury the lower end of transmitting and receiving aerials into the dielectric
layer with a higher refractive index in much the same way as grounding a monopole antenna in Tesla's or Marconi's work [2], [16]–[18].
In fact, the vertically polarized radio wave as referred by Marconi or ground current referred by Nikola Tesla is most likely equivalent to
the lateral wave referred by King, Tamir and many other researchers in the field of wireless energy harvesting.
Quotesuspended layer of dielectric material can be modeled as a 4-layered stratified ground with imperfectly conducting ground.
The stratified ground with imperfectly conducting ground can support propagation of both trapped surface waves and lateral waves
The existence of
trapped surface waves is possible if and only if the
suspended layer of dielectric material is sufficiently
thick,
perhaps,
thicker than half of the wavelength. To rule out the possibility of trapped surface waves being present to a significant extent,
we have chosen to study the suspended dielectric layer with a thickness substantially smaller than half of the wavelength.
Examples of this stratified ground with imperfectly conducting bottom plane
include a table top, an iron-reinforced concrete wall or any suspended dielectric layer coated with an oxide.
Conclusions from part#1
Conclusion#1 from part#1
Ground should be layered that means:
e.g:
-sand
-gravel
-rock
Conclusion#2 from part#1
- that could possibly explain why in Kazakhstan Akula device works and not in Riga Latvia
but
- Ruslan device works in Riga Latvia at another location than Akulas device in Riga Latvia and doesn't work in Hamburg Germany.
Discription of the picture below:This dielectric configuration is similar to the 4-layered ground that has already been considered in other studies [14], [20],
with an exception that the bottom layer in the present work is a layer of air with an extremely small conductivity.The red line on the picture shows both :
- the angle of wave tilt
- the surface wave named as : lateral wave in the interface.
Note: lateral wave and surface wave are explained as differing in properties by some scientists however for simplicity, we
omitted such controversies in regards to this type of TEM in TM mode. Wesley
Quote from: r2fpl on October 07, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
Difference measurement with LED
https://youtu.be/PJwnof1eLwU (https://youtu.be/PJwnof1eLwU)
Zauważyłem, że w tym filmie
nie ma przesunięcia fazowego o 180 stopni!
Czy znalazłeś błąd w pierwszym filmie i teraz jest on poprawny (brak przesunięcia fazowego)?
Uwzględnia
Luc
I noticed there is
no 180 degrees phase shift in this video!
Did you find an error in first video and now it's correct (no phase shift)?
Regards
Luc
IMPORTANT!!
PART#2
of:
speedy125 link:This work was supported in part by the Guangdong Natural Science Funds for Distinguished Young Scholar under GrantTitle:
Title:Wireless Energy Harvesting by Direct Voltage Multiplication on Lateral Waves From a Suspended Dielectric Layer
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760)
From part #1 we have learned that earth as multilayered part of interface is suggested.
that is in line with Marconi's early experiments,
the paper explores the feasibility of wireless energy harvesting by direct voltage multiplication on lateral waves.
Quote
This dielectric configuration is similar to the 4-layered ground that has already been considered in other studies [14], [20],
with an exception that the bottom layer in the present work is a layer of air with an extremely small conductivity.
The relative permittivities of layers 0, 1, 2 and 3 are respectively ε0,ε1,ε2 and ε3, where ε0=ε3=1.
The thicknesses of layer 0 and layer 3 is assumed to be infinity.
The distance between the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna is denoted by r. Layer 1 and layer 2, respectively,
have a finite thickness l1 and l 2. The length of the vertically mounted[/font]dipole is of approximately 1/4 -wavelength of the chosen operating frequency.
The apparent pathway of a lateral wave is highlighted in red.
As shown in Fig. 1, the deeper the dipole is submerged underneath the top surface of layer 1, the more energy
radiated out from the base of the vertical dipole will be striking the interface between air and layer 1 at critical angle
and the more energy will be converted into a lateral wave
-
Transverse magnetic field (of TM) mode in the multi-layered ground can be modeled infrequency domain.
- dielectric layer can be suspended in mid-air
That alone corresponds with my experiment here:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=409 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=409)
Wesley
PART#3
of:
speedy125 link:
This work was supported in part by the Guangdong Natural Science Funds for Distinguished Young Scholar under GrantTitle:
Title:
Wireless Energy Harvesting by Direct Voltage Multiplication on Lateral Waves From a Suspended Dielectric Layer
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760)
From part #1 we have learned that
-earth as multilayered part of interface is suggested.
-that is in line with Marconi's early experiments,
-the paper explores the feasibility of wireless energy harvesting by direct voltage multiplication on lateral waves.
-we could also look at picture representing multilayered interface
- we had the first look at wave behavior while "loading" into interface
From part #2 we have learned:
- the differences between regular EM wave known also as Space wave and Surface wave.
- the 4 layer suggested ground as one of parts of interface Air/Earth
- the wave in the interface must be in TM mode
==============================================================
To support propagation of trapped surface waves, a dielectric layer should have a thickness at least half wavelength.
This means that there will not be any significant contribution of energy to the receiving end due to a trapped surface wave
if the suspended dielectric layer is too thin.
. If an incoming electromagnetic wave strikes at either interface of an extremely thin dielectric layer at critical angle,
the electromagnetic energy will be forced to propagate along the upper and lower interface in the form of a lateral wave
with an extremely high current density
Since the lateral wave from the interface between layer 3 and layer 2 has to propagate through a much longer and more attenuated pathway before reaching the receiver,
the contribution of the branch cut k3 to the receiving end can be assumed to be negligible although this assumption can be invalid if the suspended dielectric layer is too thin.
Note: for layers look at picture here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/174186/image// (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/174186/image//)
or at Part#1
Wesley
From Wesley: Special Thank you speedy125
PART#4
IMPORTANT!!
speedy125 send link:
This work was supported in part by the Guangdong Natural Science Funds for Distinguished Young Scholar under GrantTitle:
Title:
Wireless Energy Harvesting by Direct Voltage Multiplication on Lateral Waves From a Suspended Dielectric Layer
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760)
From part #1 we have learned that
-earth as multilayered part of interface is suggested.
-that is in line with Marconi's early experiments,
-the paper explores the feasibility of wireless energy harvesting by direct voltage multiplication on lateral waves.
-we could also look at picture representing multilayered interface
- we had the first look at wave behavior while "loading" into interface
From part #2 we have learned:
- the differences between regular EM wave known also as Space wave and Surface wave.
- the 4 layer suggested ground as one of parts of interface Air/Earth
- the wave in the interface must be in TM mode
From part #3 we have learned:
- that the thickness of both layers of the interface is expected to be 1/4 of the wavelength Y
============================================================
V. HARVESTING ENERGY FROM LATERAL WAVES BYDIRECT VOLTAGE MULTIPLICATION
In one of Tesla's lectures [18], Tesla has highlighted the fact that power transmission
by one-wire transmission line is equivalent to wireless power transfer. Although the link between
power transfer by one wire and wireless power transmission has not been well explored in other research literature,
it was found in a recently published work [21] that the energy from a time-varying electromagnetic field can be
captured by a one wire transmission without any antenna.
In this work, wireless energy is harvested from lateral waves on the surface of a suspended dielectric layer
using a little known open-ended voltage multiplier.
Fig. below illustrates the schematic diagram of the open-ended voltage multiplier similar to the one proposed in .
This open-ended voltage multiplier has an input terminated by an open-circuited Goubau line.
Goubau line is one-wire transmission line having characteristic impedance very close to the characteristic
impedance of free space.
If the end of the Goubau is left open-circuited, it becomes a monopole antenna which captures ambient electromagnetic field right
on the top surface of the suspended dielectric layer without any other form of antenna.
The voltage sensed by the Goubau line is rectified into at DC voltage using the well-known Avremenko's diode configuration formed by diodes
D1 and D2 [22], [23]. Thevoltages across D1 and D2 are very limited because each of the diodes has its own maximum forward voltage.
However, before reaching the output, the voltages across D1 and D2 can undergo voltage multiplication by the differential voltage
multiplier formed by diodes D3,D4,D5 and capacitances C1,]C2,C3 and C4.
The output voltage is the sum of the voltages of all the diodes D1-D6.
The fundamental AC voltage across D1 and D2, 2V D, depends on the time-varying electromagnetic field
captured by the Goubau line, which cannot be changed by changing the circuit topology.
However, the AC voltage across each of all other diodes D3-D6 can be force-increased to a maximum of 2VD by introducing the AC shorts formed
by capacitors C1-C4.
All the diodes used in this circuit are assumed to be the same and all the discrete capacitors used in the circuit are assumed to have a capacitance C.
If the parasitic inductance Lp is sufficiently small, then the output voltage can be derived and approximated using the approach given in Appendix I
n is the intrinsic ideality of the diode.
Is is the reverse saturation current of each of the diodes.
nKT/q is the threshold voltage, which is typical 25 mV at room temperature.
f is the operating frequency.
The formula given in (16) assumes that the load resistance is infinitely large.
The last term of (16) also accounts for the frequency dependent effects due to the capacitances in the layout.
The prototypes for the proposed open-ended voltage multiplier have been fabricated on a Rogers Duroid (TM) substrate 4350B
with thickness=1.52mm.
Fig. 2 shows the details of the proposed open-ended voltage multiplier.
The diodes used for fabricating prototypes in this work were SMS7630-093 from Skyworks.
The schematic diagram, the photo of the fabricated prototype and the simulated electric field distribution
at 1.24 GHz are respectively shown in Figs. 2a, 2b and 2c.
The input impedance of the opened voltage multiplier was approximately 400 ohm according to electromagnetic
simulation.
It should be noted that, for the purpose of verifying the design against the simulation,
the output voltages of the proposed voltage multipliers were first measured as a function of frequency
when the input terminals were fed with a 50 ohm microwave power source (E8267D, Agilent Technologies) at 20 dBm.
The measured results together with the results of layout/schematic co-simulation done using Keysight's Momentum are shown in Fig. 2d.
Wesley
From Wesley: Special Thank you speedy125
PART#5
IMPORTANT!!
speedy125 send link:
This work was supported in part by the Guangdong Natural Science Funds for Distinguished Young Scholar under GrantTitle:
Title:
Wireless Energy Harvesting by Direct Voltage Multiplication on Lateral Waves From a Suspended Dielectric Layer
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760)
From part #1 we have learned that
-earth as multilayered part of interface is suggested.
-that is in line with Marconi's early experiments,
-the paper explores the feasibility of wireless energy harvesting by direct voltage multiplication on lateral waves.
-we could also look at picture representing multilayered interface
- we had the first look at wave behavior while "loading" into interface
From part #2 we have learned:
- the differences between regular EM wave known also as Space wave and Surface wave.
- the 4 layer suggested ground as one of parts of interface Air/Earth
- the wave in the interface must be in TM mode
From part #3 we have learned:
- that the thickness of both layers of the interface is expected to be 1/4 of the wavelength Y
From part #4 we have learned:
Basic schematic of Avramenko fork and voltage multiplier that can be used at any frequency
in association with Goubau line or any other type of interface.
===============================================================================
V. SIMULATED AND MEASURED RESULTS OF BASIC WPT (Wireless Power Transmission)CONFIGURATION
The feasibility of wireless power transfer based on the proposed voltage multipliers has been explored using
the experimental configurations as shown in Figs 3a and 3b. Fig 3a
illustrates an experimental configuration where the transmitted energy is expected to be primarily a lateral wave.
Fig 3b shows an experimental configuration focusing on space waves only.
In either configuration, the transmitting[/font]end is mounted with a base-fed monopole antenna formed by
a planar Goubau line, and the receiving end is vertically
mounted with the proposed open-ended voltage multiplier terminated with a 1M load resistor.
The measured results of this work are shown in Fig. 3c.
Wesley
From Wesley: Special Thank you
speedy125
please start reading from here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539593/#msg539593 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539593/#msg539593)
PART#6
IMPORTANT!!
speedy125 send link:This work was supported in part by the Guangdong Natural Science Funds for Distinguished Young Scholar under GrantTitle:
Title:
Wireless Energy Harvesting by Direct Voltage Multiplication on Lateral Waves From a Suspended Dielectric Layer
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760)
From part #1 we have learned that
-earth as multilayered part of interface is suggested.
-that is in line with Marconi's early experiments,
-the paper explores the feasibility of wireless energy harvesting by direct voltage multiplication on lateral waves.
-we could also look at picture representing multilayered interface
- we had the first look at wave behavior while "loading" into interface
From part #2 we have learned:
- the differences between regular EM wave known also as Space wave and Surface wave.
- the 4 layer suggested ground as one of parts of interface Air/Earth
- the wave in the interface must be in TM mode
From part #3 we have learned:
- that the thickness of both layers of the interface is expected to be 1/4 of the wavelength Y
From part #4 we have learned:
Basic schematic of
Avramenko fork and
voltage multiplier that can be used at any frequency
in association with
Goubau line or any other type of interface.From part #5 we have learned:
SIMULATED AND MEASURED RESULTS OF BASIC WPT (Wireless Power Transmission)CONFIGURATION
We can see from Fig.3b Fig.3c impressive performance of TM in the interface.
=======================================================
Quotelateral waves can significantly increase the energy efficiency due to less signal attenuation compared with space waves, therefore,
WPT based on lateral waves can be used for simultaneous charging of the sensor nodes more efficiently
without causing harmful interference to wireless communications.
-this above is another confirmation of expected performance over the regular EM waveQuoteIn addition to inherent nature of lateral waves for interference reduction, the delivered power by lateral waves canalso
be conveyed on a lower frequency channel
.
QuoteThe power can be preferably delivered at a lower frequency,say at any frequency below 500 MHz, where a highly con-centrated lateral wave is easier to form.
-this above is another confirmation of expected performance TM in the interface at low frequencies.Quotedelivered power does not impose any interference to the received signal, the energy to be processed by the receiver
at the receiving end can be pre-filtered with a high pass filter. Fig. 5 illustrates this scenario.
-this above is another confirmation of fact that this wave is not present in Far Field The exact statement saying it is int the article I just must have time to find it Wesley
Summary from all 6 parts:
I did not yet write it.
Just lack of time
but in overall it kills most if not all of the skepticism
please start reading from here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539593/#msg539593 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539593/#msg539593)
Wesley
Im just looking for some suggestions.
I have in my possession EIN model 500L .
After reading some posts i find recommendations to use EIN 3200L $$$$$ :( .
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg536259/#msg536259
For now ill try to stick to Tesla coil concept and not corums polyphase probe type of structure. ( Unless 500L can be used successfully )
My amp is very low power some 300mW and i wonder if this can be used to switch a transistor 2SC5200 for example.
It should be good for 2-500 mhz but i see a lot of distortion at higher frequency, maybe poor cables.
The goal is to use signal generator ( variable frequency ) to power a solid state tesla coil in simple way. (2-3 Mhz)
kind of like slayer exciter but variable frequency.
Any schematics?
Thank you for all the help.
It can only be used as preamp.
You need significant power.
But Ham radio TS-2000 can be used at its low 1.8MHz.The prestige Transceiver .
or any other Transceiver.Some of them can be on Ebay for less than $100 or go to Hamfest
Be careful as you at first need to use it at CW short impulses like from electronic Morse Keyer and let it rest.
You may damage it at no time due to impedance mismatch
SWR meter is needed to most of them.
Note: use of these transceivers requires FCC license.But you have rights to own it . :)
Wesley
Quote from: groot on October 07, 2019, 08:00:03 PM
Im just looking for some suggestions.
I have in my possession EIN model 500L .
After reading some posts i find recommendations to use EIN 3200L $$$$$ :( .
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg536259/#msg536259
For now ill try to stick to Tesla coil concept and not corums polyphase probe type of structure. ( Unless 500L can be used successfully )
My amp is very low power some 300mW and i wonder if this can be used to switch a transistor 2SC5200 for example.
It should be good for 2-500 mhz but i see a lot of distortion at higher frequency, maybe poor cables.
The goal is to use signal generator ( variable frequency ) to power a solid state tesla coil in simple way. (2-3 Mhz)
kind of like slayer exciter but variable frequency.
Any schematics?
Thank you for all the help.
Why do you need a power amplifier? Each tesla coil is your amplifier and transmitter. As a last resort, you can use the music version of the tesla coil!
for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdhTVwSygqo
That depends from what is your application.
If you want to send energy from point A to point B at some distance than
due to impedance mismatch it is easy to lose these 300mW
Your signal generator by itself may have that power level of power at its output as well ....so what do you need the 500 series amplifier for?
In any other case your generator can be connected to any external amplifier having much bigger power at desired frequency and is available on Ebay.
QuoteEach tesla coil is your amplifier and transmitter.
NO IT IS NOT.
Tesla coil is only changing voltage from low to higher but power level is never amplified.!!
If you deliver 300MmW to Tesla coil primary at 1V where primary is 1 wind and secondary is 1000 winds than you will get at secondary 1000V
but overall power will be 300mW minus the losses. !!!
Using terminology - "Voltage amplification" may be not quite accurate.
You amplifying nothing
You just losing
Basic rule is:
- The power at input is
always bigger than power at output!!!
so Tesla Coil as air coupled transformer can be called
"LOSER"
as opposite to "gainer"
In regards to Tesla Coil being called Transmitter?
Yes it transmits something.... but that depends from application
No it does not transmit
/ doesn't radiate in
Far filed ....but that depends from application
Wesley
The basis of the principle of signal transmission is to generate an RF signal which is a high frequency electromagnetic wave, so why do you think that the Tesla coil itself is not an amplifier, let alone a transmitter? It amplifies by increasing the amplitude or is that not what the amplifiers are about?
Quote from: r2fpl on October 08, 2019, 10:58:44 AM
what the amplifiers are about?
Amplifier:
Quoteelectronic device that can increase the power of a signal (a time-varying voltage or current)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplifier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplifier)
Tesla Coil is never amplifying power of signal.
Amplification of power must be seen as done
at cost of someone who is giving you needed energy for it.
(and that can be your own pocket when you pay the bill for electricity)
the very concept of free energy is to find this someone who pays for it and than you pay nothing.
e.g wind, solar, thermal, or energy from Schumann waveguide
Wesley
This is obvious but I don't think we've understood each other about the word amplifier.
I meant an amplifier in the sense of a power amplifier, e.g. for a music.
Wesley
Quotehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplifier
Tesla Coil is never amplifying power of signal.
Amplification of power must be seen as done at cost of someone who is giving you needed energy for it.
(and that can be your own pocket when you pay the bill for electricity)
the very concept of free energy is to find this someone who pays for it and you pay nothing.
e.g wind, solar, thermal, or energy from Schumann waveguide
Condenser: A capacitor (originally known as a condenser) is a passive two-terminal electrical component used to store energy electrostatically in an electric field.
In the past, the Condenser was also know to be an active component condensing or concentrating an electric fluid. In fact one can still use a wire antenna, condenser, inductor and a rectifier to condense electrical atmospheric energy. Some say this is just a receiver for Hertzian waves however it is also known in the art to be able to condense or concentrate electrical energy like an amplifier. However in the case of the condenser we are not amplifying an Electro-Magnetic signal but separating and concentrating electrical charges as energy.
Passive components are well enough however the real action is in active or dynamic components.
Quote from: r2fpl on October 08, 2019, 11:25:58 AM
This is obvious but I don't think we've understood each other about the word amplifier.
I meant an amplifier in the sense of a power amplifier, e.g. for a music.
Wesley's Answer:
It is the same for every amplifier- the same rules apply.
Read Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplifier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplifier)
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539621/#msg539621
Wesley
Quote from: r2fpl on October 08, 2019, 08:19:51 AM
Why do you need a power amplifier? Each tesla coil is your amplifier and transmitter. As a last resort, you can use the music version of the tesla coil!
for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdhTVwSygqo
Witam Kolege
Cytat z Wiki
Most modern audio amplifiers have a flat frequency response as shown above over the whole audio range of frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 kHz. This range of frequencies, for an audio amplifier is called its Bandwidth, (BW) and is primarily determined by the frequency response of the circuit.
Wlasnie sprawdzilem jak wyglada uzycie Wzmacaniacza audio Blaupunkt PCA2120 2x120W 1x300W.
Podlaczylem generator sygnalow i uzylem wylacznie pozytywnej czesci pulsu sinusoidalnego niebedac pewnym czy
to cos dziala na sygnal przemienny czy tez tylko staly w postaci impulsow ( az tyle to nie wiem a szkoda mi tego wzmacniacza, moze w
nastepnym aucie mi pogra jeszcze :) )
Na wyjsciu oscyloskop pokazywal sygnal sinusoidalny a wiec to by moglo calkiem niezle dzialac przy 13-14volt i jakies 10 amper.
Niestety zgodnie z informacjami o wzmacniaczach audio wraz ze wzrostem czestotliwosci tracisz tzw GAIN. Jego mozliwosci wzmocnienia sygnalu znacznie spadaja powyzej 120khz . A wiec wyciagajac wnioski moge spekulowac ze daloby sie zrobic Tesla coil na podobienstwo Slayer Exciter i kontrolowac czestotliwosc ale tylko na duzym lub bardzo duzym transformatorze ktory ma swoja czestotliwosc rezonansowa
w granicach 100khz i ponizej.
Wlasnie dlatego szukam mozliwosci podlaczenia generatora sygnalow do wzmacniacza ktory bedzie pracowac satysfakcjonujaco w przedziale czestotliwosci radiowych aby transformator Tesli nie byl duzy oraz latwy do zbudowania i szybkiej modyfikacji w razie potrzeby.
Dziekuje za pomysl i pozdrawiam
Quote from: poynt99 on September 30, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
Luc,
Allow me to ask this:
- Will your power transmission work without the top load capacitors in place?
- If the top terminal is one plate of a capacitor, where or what is the second plate?
- How do capacitors work?
Okay poynt99
Both Tesla Coil top load capacitors are removed and circuit still delivers 7 watts through the single wire to Rx 50 feet away and even outside the concrete block building that Tx is located in.
The power transfer efficiency is not as good since I had to use a lower resonance point of 150kHz for stability compared to 230kHz originally demonstrated.
Without the top capacitance the ideal resonating frequency is much higher, difficult to tune and I fried a few mosfet's trying to get it.
So I had to settle with 150kHz. However, it still should be fine to prove the point that the circuit has not been using the top caps to complete the current path.
So how is it completing the current path?
Link to video demo: https://youtu.be/DzmC86vFzBU (https://youtu.be/DzmC86vFzBU)
Regards
Luc
Going back to single wire power transmission .
I apologize for messy drawing. Thinking about this experiment https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg537420/#msg537420 i wondered if its equivalent to placing a capacitor at the bottom of tesla coil and
connecting earth end of a coil to one plate of capacitor and single conductor to other, same for Tx and Rx . I did just that with random capacitors and its working like capacitor was
not there, makes no difference. I took no measurements just tried it.
So whats the point:
since this work should lead to power transfer via earth and so called interface - surface wave, i doubt that single wire ( metallic conductor )
will lead YOU anywhere close to your goal. Im not a skeptic and i did read about plans and ideas of using surface wave to send and receive signal between airplanes sensors and main computers on outer shell and wings (mam na mysli aluminiowe poszycie samolotu ale nie wiem jak to nazwac po angielsku) in order to save money on wiring and weight of a plane itself and i totally agree it will work but for engineers with proper know how, understanding and state of the art equipment . So the wave exited by Tx bounces back and fort and gets utilized in Rx some 40 or 70feet apart might be easily mistaken by a surface wave and give you false assumptions. Its just an opinion and i wonder what Wesley can say about my drawing.
Thank You
It is absolutely lifting me up that I have so big Polish participation in here.
And it is not because of Marie Skłodowska Curie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie)
My wife is Psychologist she was born in Poland and she got one of the best level of education possible.
There is something unique about these folks.
Something that made them different among many nations around.
Fighting for so many centuries with Russian Aggressor they developed need of being better and better in everything.
Simple and short:
You put them at any place and any country,without knowledge of language, green card, and zero money in the pocket
-dentist can become successful and wealthy construction guy in just 15-20 years from 15 dollars in his pocket when he landed in Kennedy airport.
-surgeon will become successful banker
-and microbiology student can become respected professor in famous American university
Typically it was 6 to 10 years for most of them to buy their first house in USA
Besides of Tadeusz Kosciuszko and Pulawski being heroes of American history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Ko%C5%9Bciuszko (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Ko%C5%9Bciuszkohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Ko%C5%9Bciuszkohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski)
I could simply say that just because of skills of these folks fighting with Russian aggression
their escape to America - America got its independence under their command .
Today (Wednesday) is my holiday
And today I as an American express to you my Polish friends my respect to everything you value.
Uniqueness of Polish Education System .
In 1950-2010 they had to learn approximately 300% more than average American in areas that have
been not so much included or just only "mentioned" in American school system
So their overall education was very broad and not so much specific .
This was good and bad.
But becomes a precocious (exhibiting unique qualities) to/by any one who had to run for life from Poland from
Russian oppression especially in 20tieth century.
For these who don't know it was Poland who made possible :
-fall of Berlin Wall
-freedom of several countries from Russian/Soviet terror
- fall of Soviet Union starting from 1980 to 1991
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Lech-Walesa (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Lech-Walesa)
So what do we need this information for?
Polish are quiet, peaceful pushers of everything around.
I'm pointing at enormous and very uncommon ability to adapt to any possible conditions of life.
This is their uniqueness
- Great educated nation of quality people.
-Poland as leading economy in EU (GDP ) looks like sweet beautiful clean, modern candy - she shines with her beauty.
-Poland is not chap like some of other Eastern European countries but you'll get what you paying for.
And I happened to be very much oriented in all of the aspects of that part of the world.
I understand all of 27 Slavic languages,
I speak 3 of them fluently
And two of them absolutely perfect... well..only after few days of being there..
Wesley
Quote from: groot on October 09, 2019, 07:55:16 PM
Witam Kolege
Cytat z Wiki
Most modern audio amplifiers have a flat frequency response as shown above over the whole audio range of frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 kHz. This range of frequencies, for an audio amplifier is called its Bandwidth, (BW) and is primarily determined by the frequency response of the circuit.
Wlasnie sprawdzilem jak wyglada uzycie Wzmacaniacza audio Blaupunkt PCA2120 2x120W 1x300W.
Podlaczylem generator sygnalow i uzylem wylacznie pozytywnej czesci pulsu sinusoidalnego niebedac pewnym czy
to cos dziala na sygnal przemienny czy tez tylko staly w postaci impulsow ( az tyle to nie wiem a szkoda mi tego wzmacniacza, moze w
nastepnym aucie mi pogra jeszcze :) )
Na wyjsciu oscyloskop pokazywal sygnal sinusoidalny a wiec to by moglo calkiem niezle dzialac przy 13-14volt i jakies 10 amper.
Niestety zgodnie z informacjami o wzmacniaczach audio wraz ze wzrostem czestotliwosci tracisz tzw GAIN. Jego mozliwosci wzmocnienia sygnalu znacznie spadaja powyzej 120khz . A wiec wyciagajac wnioski moge spekulowac ze daloby sie zrobic Tesla coil na podobienstwo Slayer Exciter i kontrolowac czestotliwosc ale tylko na duzym lub bardzo duzym transformatorze ktory ma swoja czestotliwosc rezonansowa
w granicach 100khz i ponizej.
Wlasnie dlatego szukam mozliwosci podlaczenia generatora sygnalow do wzmacniacza ktory bedzie pracowac satysfakcjonujaco w przedziale czestotliwosci radiowych aby transformator Tesli nie byl duzy oraz latwy do zbudowania i szybkiej modyfikacji w razie potrzeby.
Dziekuje za pomysl i pozdrawiam
Skoro idzie modulacja na TT muzycznej to jasne jest, że teraz jest to pełny nadajnik. Ostatnio nawet na YT widziałem, że na FM jest normalnie przekaz muzyki co mnie nie dziwi.
Pomyślałem więc jeśli można tak to zrobić to jest to mega tanie rozwiązanie drogich wzmacniaczy na szerokie pasma bo my nie potrzebujemy tak dużych zakresów, a jedynie wąski obszar jak mniemam.
Zresztą to tylko dałem pomysł w oparciu o zdjęcia wzmacniaczy.
:)
Recently, I read somewhere that Tesla, in an energy transfer experiment across the globe, used high power transmitter to stimulate the cavity. Carum brothers in an experiment on the river did energy transfer to the other side. Hmmmm it's not clear now what kind of wave they sent. By building the Viziv faith, everyone will agree that there will be great power in it, which suggests that in order to make the transmission that Tesla talked about you need to use the right large solution in relation to the earth!
The construction of miniature tesla coils may simply be impossible for transmission through a cavity of the earth and the resonance itself.
I may be wrong but these are my thoughts.
People from Ukraine made a transmission of energy and received an increase in output using special cone antennas. They have a 6kW device and 100kW for industry. However, I can't sell it because the Kiev authorities blocked it. Is this true I think so.
suggestion: when you have a river and a strong current, what will happen if you throw a stick? This is a possible answer for energy transmission!
Isn't that a beautiful explanation? Thank you.
#134
Wesley, is your assumption right. ? Talk and discuss eventually with your wife about facts ,pros and cons. !
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruppe_47 (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruppe_47). 1947- 1967
" free art and artists ,free culture and culture -artists , free life and life culture " "
"Prager Fruehling"-rebellion up to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_77 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_77)
Jugoslawia : Broz Tito ( blockfree : other political leader Nehru/ Indira Ghandi / Nasser ; not Warschauer Pakt / NATO -block member )
"Sozialistische Internationale" : Warschauer Pakt. ? N. A. T. O. -Pakt ? Blockfree Pakt. ?
Hungary : Salami- communism
Sowjet/Soviet union and Berliner Mauer/wall of Berlin/Merlim
A. earthquake in USSR Armenia
B. war in Afghanistan
C.Tchernobyl
And the " face-lost" !
Not to forget an historical profile and his in-/ direct influence by a great world wide community : Carol Wojtyla. !
Poland : "Danziger Werft/Nave/Dock" worker-rebellion " Solidaritaet/Solidarnosz" ( later : -union )
contra political head : Jaruzelski-regime ; rebellion co-leadership with some other has had a female worker,Lech Walesa: "second choice"
"PRESIDENT from Poland, Oslo-Nobel-Yury award ,"Peace" : it does not matter. ! Second choice, eine " blasse" Figur. !
100% male opportunist. !
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Grass (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Grass). Borned in Danzig,Stockholm-Nobel-Yury-award
Dont get me wrong lancalV lets concentrate on history of serbian-american Nikola Tesla work and leave politics to politicians and this complicated history to historians thx
YES WE CAN, groot :
http://www.petra-martini.de/?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjkjdzZ0JHlAhVw1-AKHUHOANUQ9QEwAXoECAgQBA (http://www.petra-martini.de/?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjkjdzZ0JHlAhVw1-AKHUHOANUQ9QEwAXoECAgQBA)
to.
Joseph Henry ? RUHMKORFF ? James Jeans. ?
to
Tesla, Marconi, ( not Enzo !) but Galileo Ferrari +s ,Gianni Dotto, Sebastian Ziani De Ferranti
to
glas-fiber
to 2001 experiment :
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.handelsblatt.com%2Farchiv%2Fpowerline-rwe-startet-internet-ueber-die-steckdose-im-juli%2F2051966.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.handelsblatt.com%2Farchiv%2Fpowerline-rwe-startet-internet-ueber-die-steckdose-im-juli%2F2051966.html)
to
wifi
to today lab R&D and future common communication standart
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612964/what-is-quantum-communications/?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicvazkz5HlAhU4A2MBHbayAv8Q9QEwA3oECAkQBg (https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612964/what-is-quantum-communications/?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicvazkz5HlAhU4A2MBHbayAv8Q9QEwA3oECAkQBg)
Food For Thought......
http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html (http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html)
This is a quote and you may disregard this article / publication because its perfect example how confused people are about
Tesla's Wireless Power Transmission System.
"Tesla often refers to energy being carried by the currents rather than by Hertian waves. For example, he writes
"From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth."
Straight away we see a problem with this. He is talking about a situation in which the reactive component of the field is to be much larger than the real components, in other words the intended destination is within the near field of the source (within say a half-wavelength to achieve the proportions suggested), or else both source and absorber are contained within a low-loss (high-Q) cavity. He is expecting the earth currents associated with the reactive near field to convey energy to his receivers independently of the EM field."
So the funny part is that he explains the process of a lanching a surface wave but still disregards its existence or possibility of its utilization.
Quote from: groot on October 10, 2019, 07:17:04 PM
Food For Thought......
http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html (http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html)
This is a quote and you may disregard this article / publication because its perfect example how confused people are about
Tesla's Wireless Power Transmission System.
"Tesla often refers to energy being carried by the currents rather than by Hertian waves. For example, he writes
"From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth."
Straight away we see a problem with this. He is talking about a situation in which the reactive component of the field is to be much larger than the real components, in other words the intended destination is within the near field of the source (within say a half-wavelength to achieve the proportions suggested), or else both source and absorber are contained within a low-loss (high-Q) cavity. He is expecting the earth currents associated with the reactive near field to convey energy to his receivers independently of the EM field."
So the funny part is that he explains the process of a lanching a surface wave but still disregards its existence or possibility of its utilization.
The tesla coil can operate in two modes:
- voltage (V)
- current (A)
for V the effect is high HV
and for A high A.
This is not strange, but has anyone done such an experience and knows how to do it? I did such tests and I can say that Kapanadze could use the Tesla coil in mode A.
Hello Stivep and other forum members,
I am sorry to have to step in to clear up some misunderstanding. If my memory serves me well, the main authors of this paper have already left to other countries a long time ago. I don't think this work has anything to do with Guangdong
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I don't visit this forum very often but feel free to discuss, ask questions and share your knowledge with others.
Blueplanet
Quote from: stivep on October 07, 2019, 06:29:21 PM
From Wesley: Special Thank you speedy125
please start reading from here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539593/#msg539593 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539593/#msg539593)
PART#6
IMPORTANT!!
speedy125 send link:
This work was supported in part by the Guangdong Natural Science Funds for Distinguished Young Scholar under GrantTitle:
Title:
Wireless Energy Harvesting by Direct Voltage Multiplication on Lateral Waves From a Suspended Dielectric Layer
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760)
From part #1 we have learned that
-earth as multilayered part of interface is suggested.
-that is in line with Marconi's early experiments,
-the paper explores the feasibility of wireless energy harvesting by direct voltage multiplication on lateral waves.
-we could also look at picture representing multilayered interface
- we had the first look at wave behavior while "loading" into interface
From part #2 we have learned:
- the differences between regular EM wave known also as Space wave and Surface wave.
- the 4 layer suggested ground as one of parts of interface Air/Earth
- the wave in the interface must be in TM mode
From part #3 we have learned:
- that the thickness of both layers of the interface is expected to be 1/4 of the wavelength Y
From part #4 we have learned:
Basic schematic of Avramenko fork and voltage multiplier that can be used at any frequency
in association with Goubau line or any other type of interface.
From part #5 we have learned:
SIMULATED AND MEASURED RESULTS OF BASIC WPT (Wireless Power Transmission)CONFIGURATION
We can see from Fig.3b Fig.3c impressive performance of TM in the interface.
=======================================================-this above is another confirmation of expected performance over the regular EM wave
.-this above is another confirmation of expected performance TM in the interface at low frequencies.
-this above is another confirmation of fact that this wave is not present in Far Field
The exact statement saying it is int the article I just must have time to find it
Wesley
Quote from: groot on October 10, 2019, 07:17:04 PM
http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html (http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html)
"Tesla often refers to energy being carried by the currents rather than by Hertian waves. For example, he writes
"From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth."
I went into the article.
I search who is Paul Nicholson the guy is mystery to me.
The REAL Science of non-Hertzian waves, by Paul Nicholson no original link to article was found
I happened to read the reprint few years ago but it was not deep study.
End of story is that Article was likely published in 2002. the missing are the drawings he referees too.That is why his article- reprint is somehow unclear.
The guy had no idea about surface wave and interface as it was at that time in its infant stage.
Definitely he was/ is educated guy with nice English skills.
He got few things right and article is worth reading.
Waveguide and lightning is nicely explained, however again his limitation is his approach based on lack of novelty of surface wave science.
So my plan was to contact him or visit him with some suggestions.
Along my search I got few helpful links:
- http://www.tfcbooks.com/mainpage/links2.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/mainpage/links2.htm)
- https://www.backyardastronomy.net/natural-radio-receiver/ (https://www.backyardastronomy.net/natural-radio-receiver/)
Quote"This last link says thank you to Paul Nicholson"
who is he? ??? ??
QuoteVLF receiver is nothing more than an audio amplifier attached to an antenna.
QuoteOne of the most popular uses for a VLF receiver is for listening to lightning strikes from around the world,
and the interesting effects that this activity has on our atmosphere.
Quotelightning strike is not a narrow band event as is say a military VLF transmitter like NAA in Cutler Maine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLF_Transmitter_Cutler) at 24KHz.
These types of wide band signals are characteristic of natural EMF activity from Earth
The article includes schematic and waterfall of Rx.
-https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/132576/why-is-lightning-referred-to-as-high-frequency-source
Lightning strike QuoteThe negative flash/stroke is found to have 200KA of current with a voltage close to 300KV (cloud to ground).
According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning#General_considerations), average duration of a lightning is 30μs. If we take a gaussian current splash with σ=30μs,
its spectrum will be a gaussian with σk≈33kHz.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
QuoteLightning discharges are considered to be the primary natural source of Schumann resonance excitation;
lightning channels behave like huge antennas that radiate electromagnetic energy at frequencies below about 100 kHz.
-https://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html easy way to receive ULF .
Especially interesting is this link:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL023028/full (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL023028/full)
Detection of thirteen resonances of radio waves from particularly intense lightning discharges
So we know from all of links above that lightning is responsible(mainly) for Schumann resonances and
lightning by itself is the source of its own resonances and its harmonics separately.
With that we may ask what happen if EM wave at right tilt angle and polarization hits the earth?
Will it land in the interface?
Can we help EM wave to do what we what it to do by Kapanadze process of activation?
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=993 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=993)
QuoteLightning strikes reach the ground on Earth as much as 8 million times per day or 100 times per second,
according to the National Severe Storms Laboratory (https://www.bing.com/search?q=National+Severe+Storms+Laboratory&filters=sid%3a4765c811-1c2f-fd3e-b481-7a4eca5de113&form=ENTLNK).
and we know that we need 50/60Hz per second for our electricity in our outlet.
Random amount of EM waves per second produced by lightning with right properties to land in the interface
can be calculated.
Than this energy can be received stored in capacitor and rectified.
The only why we use AC is that is convenient but DC is used by most if not all of our portable devices also by choice of convinience
Wesley
https://www.google.com/search?q=poincare+light&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
Wireless transfer energy
see points.
http://wi-tap.energy/experiments/
Hello
As you noticed im just an amateur and curious person who likes to learn stuff.
Now i turn to you seeking a simple explanation and training.
Do to lack of financial resources i can only afford simple and cheap tools i can find on ebay.
Im using this simple usb oscilloscope Hantek 6022be . It is easy to use and fun to learn and
explore options and possibilities given by such tool.
While playing with frequency counter option i noticed it shows me two different wave forms.
Im trying to determine frequency of my slayer exciter and at very low power ( 3-5volt input) i keep the probe pretty close to a top load.
While i change top loads it adjusts to different resonant frequencies.
So im using this software provided with the device and when i use stop option at longer time frame lets say 50us
it shows this modulated like wave . still i can measure frequency and its the same as i take shorter time frame 10us but wave form
is regular sine wave.
What does it mean and why i see two different wave forms?
Tesla coil is top loaded and grounded and slayer has feedback antenna coil to pickup the signal . When i played with single wire
transmission ( top load - coil - capacitor -- copper wire -- capacitor -coil - top load ) i could see same different wave forms so ground
didn't change anything.
I consider probe leads are cheap, is this the reason and which wave form is true ?
Thank you
Good morning Wesley,
I have some concerns in moving forward to the next step of wireless transmission.
Since it involves using earth ground instead of the nice shielded coaxial wire I've been experimenting with.
My concerns are, as soon as I connect the TC secondary bottom wire to earth ground it dissipates the high voltage everywhere in the ground like a massive sponge.
The results are a mostly dampen signal to the TC top capacitance. So how can one expect any wireless transmission?
Also not clear is, the earth grounds quality!... as I have already demonstrated, in my location earth grounds are very bad due to the sand.
How good does the ground need to be?
Apparently Tesla had multiple grounding rods hundreds of feet deep below his Wardenclyff tower plus the location is on a shore to the Atlantic Ocean.
What did the Viziv project use or do for earth ground?
Kind regards
Luc
I'm sorry but in the car now
so I answer it short and may be not that precise as you wish.
I suggested you to go step by step.
Don't jump ahead.
It is a learning curve.
From Goubau line the next step is to buy cheap aluminum foil and make experiment .
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/174200/image//
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=367
QuoteTypes of interface:
-e.g
- Goubau line uses wire coated with dielectric and that should be named the interface, but it is not.
- two dielectrics differing with their dielectric properties such as Teflon and Polyamide makes interface
- conductive medium such as aluminum foil and air creates interfaced as well
- lossy conductive medium a such as earth and air creates interface too
and so on...
After you are successful with that it is helpful to
use spark gap instead of Generator and adjust spark electrodes distance .
That gives you comparable results .Because spectrum of spark generator is wide than you don't have to be worry that system is unstable
there is enough of
Adjacent frequencies in the spectrum to take over .
QuoteFailures:
The failure of your experiments can be caused also by:
1. lack of impedance match.
2. lack of proper polarization AND BREWSTER ANGLE - that is done (at its easiest) by changing elevation of top capacitor . HV Tesla coil must be vertical to the ground
3. lack of resonance in both the Tx and Rx Tesla coils
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539579/#msg539579
Wesley
Quote from: gotoluc on October 14, 2019, 11:59:47 AM
Good morning Wesley,
I have some concerns in moving forward to the next step of wireless transmission.
Since it involves using earth ground instead of the nice shielded coaxial wire I've been experimenting with.
My concerns are, as soon as I connect the TC secondary bottom wire to earth ground it dissipates the high voltage everywhere in the ground like a massive sponge.
The results are a mostly dampen signal to the TC top capacitance. So how can one expect any wireless transmission?
Also not clear is, the earth grounds quality!... as I have already demonstrated, in my location earth grounds are very bad due to the sand.
How good does the ground need to be?
Apparently Tesla had multiple grounding rods hundreds of feet deep below his Wardenclyff tower plus the location is on a shore to the Atlantic Ocean.
What did the Viziv project use or do for earth ground?
Kind regards
Luc
This is a very important question which I asked twice and never got an answer.
Let me help us two a bit and provide a clue:
This lateral wave is a vertically polarized electromagnetic wave on the top surface of the ground as a result of an incident electromagnetic wave striking the air-ground interface from below at exactly the critical angle [16], [17]. For an interface between two different dielectric media, the critical angle is only applicable to the dielectric medium with a higher refractive index.To excite this lateral wave, it is logical to bury the lower end of transmitting and receiving aerials into the dielectric layer with a higher refractive index in much the same way as grounding a monopole antenna in Tesla's or Marconi's work .
No simple answers available.
Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=8053760
When you read about this experiment https://arxiv.org/pdf/1903.10294.pdf you see a different mechanism ,
mainly "Sinking of Equi-phases"
Whatever you read it points you in a whole new direction . unless its all the same???
I wrote earlier that for transmission through the earth cavity, Tesla used high energy to stimulate the resonance cavity. The minimum value given is 75kW. Maybe it's a way of implementation because we don't want to make a wave, just connect to it.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Hanna+Albert+awad&IN=&CPC=&IC=
Point 6. ...... a motor which is driven......
7. Vehicle driven above ground
The less power need : energy transmission and receiving. : " magnet/capacitor" Earth
Prof. Dr. Ehrenhaft studies
I'm still traveling
I will respond to the comments in my free time.
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg539721/#msg539721 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg539721/#msg539721)
Wesley
Moderators please remove if to OT.
I'm curious about a power supply that I have used on my coils.
On the very long list of things I don't understand. I've been trying different power supplies with my Zenneck coils experiment. I don't understand how this selenium rectifier is delivering results that a power diode does not. [/size]I'm measuring the 16VAC output of the transformer in parallel to the rectifier.The circuit only oscillates when the rectifier is in the circuit.The DC output on a DMM is around 8V or 16VAC on same DMM. It gets better results than by DC power supply at 12VDC . Stronger field more plasma etc.
With the dc supply it takes at least 12v for oscillations 150ma. Continuous oscillation. With half rectified ac nothing on other adapters or the the power supply above. It's only when the rectifier is part of the circuit. I see 50hz flickering when activated via the rectifier and 100ma current draw.
vid https://youtu.be/_odJBpkGfrw (https://youtu.be/_odJBpkGfrw)
Hi Jim,
I'm very limited when it comes to electronics,but don't you need 4 diodes to make a bridge rectifier?
artv
Quote from: shylo on October 20, 2019, 03:22:23 AM
Hi Jim,
I'm very limited when it comes to electronics,but don't you need 4 diodes to make a bridge rectifier?
artv
For a full wave rectifier yes, However the selenium rectifier on the power supply I am testing is only 1/2 rectified and produces better results on my coils for less power than DC, I'm trying to understand why. 1/2 rectified with a power diode does not produce the same results.
Hello
Experiment Experiment.
Instead of wire connecting two tesla coils -- Distilled Water.
So i cut a 5 feet of plastic pipe in half so it formed a vessel. Filled it with distilled water and using alligator clip connected end of coil and water ;D.
Coils are tuned so when connected with wire you can see lit light bulb on receiving side. Power Level low so no transmission without a connection.
In my opinion this could be interesting if one can make a power transmission. Measured over 20M Ohm of resistance. Is it possible to match impedance or surface wave transmission is the only option??
Thank You
P.S.
So far I did not succeed >:( ;D
Groot
QuoteIn my opinion this could be interesting if one can make a power transmission. Measured over 20M Ohm of resistance. Is it possible to match impedance or surface wave transmission is the only option??
The laws which govern the action are pretty straightforward. If the induced charges/potential repel each other and they do then they must travel on the surface of the conductor and not inside it. Also, Power=(V x I), so the power transmitted relates to the electrical pressure times the number of charges moving due to the applied electrical pressure. Therefore in order to increase the real power across an "insulator" the potential must rise to a level sufficient to conduct.
What many find hard to fathom is that Tesla was generating ten's of millions of volts potential in a very small time frame which made every insulator conduct. So when the experimenter only generates maybe 500kV in the milliamp range in there Tesla coil and little happens they think it cannot work. Think of it like this... consider the minor effects your setup produces then consider what happens in a lightning strike. Imagine what would happen if you could produce an 8 foot lightning bolt in your garage?, lol. Now were into Tesla's realm and not only would it smoke all electronics within hundreds of feet but your vehicle would probably start on fire.
From what I can see the first problem is an electronic driver for your primary which is grossly under powered. As Tesla said the goal is to charge a capacitor to the highest possible voltage and discharge it violently through the primary in the smallest time frame with no alternations or reversal. In effect, your trying to tap the primary with a spoon producing AC oscillations where Tesla smashed it with a 20 kg sledge hammer in a single blow with no oscillations.
It is no easy thing but I can tell you from experience that when you do get it right all hell breaks loose. Quite literally everything becomes a conductor in ways few would expect. Now one could ask, if we could create an environment in which "all energy" was now free to move how many different kinds of energy are present which could move?. I believe Tesla implied he was not generating energy per se but producing a conduit for external energy to flow through.
Here is the procedure, we input X energy to create an energy conduit which allows Y external energy to flow through it. Then we capture X and Y energy recycling X back to the input leaving Y energy for our use. It's like putting up a sail on a boat and capturing the wind energy, we did not create the wind nor the energy from it we just created a mechanism to harness the wind energy already present.
Regards
Quote from: onepower on October 24, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
The laws which govern the action are pretty straightforward. If the induced charges/potential repel each other and they do then they must travel on the surface of the conductor and not inside it. Also, Power=(V x I), so the power transmitted relates to the electrical pressure times the number of charges moving due to the applied electrical pressure. Therefore in order to increase the real power across an "insulator" the potential must rise to a level sufficient to conduct.
onepower I do realize I know small fraction of what Tesla was doing. High power + high voltage sure can make magic.
Allow me to quote Tesla :
As regards the rise of potential through resonant action, of course, theoretically, it may amount to anything since it depends on self-induction and resistance and since these may have any value. But in practice one is limited in the selection of these values and besides these, there are other limiting causes. One may start with, say, 1,000 volts and raise the E. M. F. to 50 times that value, but one cannot start with 100,000 and raise it to ten times that value because of the losses in the media which are great, especially if the frequency is high. It should be possible to start with, for instance, two volts from a high or low frequency circuit of a dynamo and raise the E. M. F. to many hundred times that value. Thus coils of the proper dimensions might be connected each with only one of its ends to the mains from a machine of low E. M. F., and though the circuit of the machine would not be closed in the ordinary acceptance of the term, yet the machine might be burned out if a proper resonance effect would be obtained.http://www.tuks.nl/Mirror/frankgermano_net/nikolatesla2.htm
Quote from: onepower on October 24, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
What many find hard to fathom is that Tesla was generating ten's of millions of volts potential in a very small time frame which made every insulator conduct. So when the experimenter only generates maybe 500kV in the milliamp range in there Tesla coil and little happens they think it cannot work. Think of it like this... consider the minor effects your setup produces then consider what happens in a lightning strike. Imagine what would happen if you could produce an 8 foot lightning bolt in your garage?, lol. Now were into Tesla's realm and not only would it smoke all electronics within hundreds of feet but your vehicle would probably start on fire.
My problem with use of high power spark gap tesla coil is interference. State I live in prohibits use of such transmitters by law.
It might be very entertaining to recreate "The Philadelphia Project" but I am certain that it would lead me to jail sentence :)
Wireless power transfer concept presented by Wesley has been researched, tested and finally granted patent by US Patent Office.
If for some reason my posts make impression Im
trying to build or copy perpetual motion device aka free energy device than Im sorry for confusing the readers.
This Is not a free energy device.Dr Corum in his patent experimentally proved a concept of wireless energy transmission over an interface. You can find him doing this with 15volts peak to peak alternating current. Other calculations provided in the patent are: 100khz, 8meter high terminal, 5kv charge at top load - "The guided field strength curve falls off at between
4000 - 7000 Kilometers"
Most likely its pretty expensive to construct such a device and that's how I came up with my Experiment.
Instead of dealing with Earth as lossy medium that changes its parameters use water.
Seneca lake experiment Than make it even easier and have a raised (suspended) container with water in it. Tesla coils are used only to show lack of conductivity in old fashioned manner. No need to deal with ground plane image theory. I might be mistaken. This is why I posted it. Im looking for suggestions and wonder if there is any interest in surface wave experiments. If none let me know and ill stop littering this forum.
Thx
groot
QuoteDr Corum in his patent experimentally proved a concept of wireless energy transmission over an interface. You can find him doing this with 15volts peak to peak alternating current. Other calculations provided in the patent are: 100khz, 8meter high terminal, 5kv charge at top load - "The guided field strength curve falls off at between 4000 - 7000 Kilometers"
Fair enough, the patent information is interesting though because as we all know a 100khz, 8m high, 5kv Tesla coil cannot transmit 4000 km. More like 1m distance in good conditions for those of us who have built and tested them in the past. I think it's kind of neat because the patents never tell the full story and we have to connect the dots for ourselves. What I can tell you is I have built many systems similar to yours and not in a million years will it even transmit power across the street. It simply does not have the capacity nor the required qualities to do this.
Therefore... it must be something else, something missing as I explained. People need to get past this notion of EM waves travelling through the atmosphere in order to make any progress in my opinion.
Regards
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/bullshit-texzon
-wireless-power/msg2290266/?PHPSESSID=oqakpcqq7lgsb5e0i0huu19c52#msg2290266 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/bullshit-texzon-wireless-power/msg2290266/?PHPSESSID=oqakpcqq7lgsb5e0i0huu19c52#msg2290266)
very much known video blogger forum:
The guy who created that forum is opposing the concept of Viziv and that is OK with me.
however it is interesting comment there (link above)It explains very low losses due to
VLF.
EEV is brilliant Engineer, however he better keeps to that what he knows the best.
He "attacked" FE community calling us with names.He also made special
video expressing his opinion.
With all due respect he also tends to ban some individuals who have
opposite opinion.
The main difference between us is that (I believe that) he needs to make
money on any activity he does..
I see his YouTube as very professional, but not much beyond that .
It is just his narrow field of expertise
he is good at.
Wesley
some links to remember :
1. http://wikirota.org/en/LGV_Rota_Patents (http://wikirota.org/en/LGV_Rota_Patents) Patent .and question as to he used Zenneck wave
2. https://www.roke.co.uk/ (https://www.roke.co.uk/) roke.co.uk woking on special applications of Zenneck Wave
Roke was first mentioned here;
http://technews.tmcnet.com/wearabletechworld/topics/from-the-experts/articles/325596-zenneck-waves-keep-wearable-tech-wireless-communications-close.htm (http://technews.tmcnet.com/wearabletechworld/topics/from-the-experts/articles/325596-zenneck-waves-keep-wearable-tech-wireless-communications-close.htm)
QuoteRoke is an electronics engineering company that primarily provides contract research,
product development and manufacturing for a wide range of U.K. and international customers.
Its team currently comprises more than 350 engineers focused on developing advanced sensors,
communications systems and network solutions for a diverse range of applications
2a.Isolation of the Zenneck Surface Wave: Update Janice Turner (nee Hendry)
Roke Manor Research Limited, Romsey / University College London
2b. Roke :SURFACE WAVES: WHAT ARE THEY? WHY ARE THEY INTERES[/font]TING? Janice Hendry
https://www.armms.org/media/uploads/1259319847.pdf (https://www.armms.org/media/uploads/1259319847.pdf)
3.http://teslaradio.com/pages/wireless_102.htm (http://teslaradio.com/pages/wireless_102.htm) WIRELESS TRANSMISSION THEORY
4.https://swling.com/blog/2018/10/scientists-studying-wireless-electric-transmission-in-central-texas/ (https://swling.com/blog/2018/10/scientists-studying-wireless-electric-transmission-in-central-texas/) hams interested with Zenneck Wave
5.https://experts.syr.edu/en/publications/surface-plasmonspolaritons-surface-waves-and-zenneck-waves-clarif (https://experts.syr.edu/en/publications/surface-plasmonspolaritons-surface-waves-and-zenneck-waves-clarif)
Syracuse University QuoteA Zenneck wave is produced at the zero of the reflection coefficient of a plane incident TM wave (at the Brewster angle of incidence) on an air-dielectric interface, whereas surface waves are produced when the TM reflection coefficient is infinite. Both the Zenneck wave and the surface wave are TM waves and are nonradiating, as they have, in general, exponentially decaying fields with distance. For the Zenneck wave, the evanescent transverse field components do not change appreciably with frequency (because the phenomenon of Brewster angle is independent of frequency), whereas for a surface wave, with an increase of the frequency the wave is more closely coupled to the surface.
5a.https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1179&context=etd
Syracuse University (https://experts.syr.edu/en/publications/surface-plasmonspolaritons-surface-waves-and-zenneck-waves-clarif)A STUDY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES OVER IMPERFECT
GROUND PLANES BASED ON WAVES OVER IMPERFECT GROUND PLANES BASED
ON SCHELKUNOFF INTEGRALS SCHELKUNOFF INTEGRALS
6.https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.2212307Observation (https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.2212307Observation) of Zenneck-type waves in microwave propagation experiments
7. https://www.safie.hq.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1770582/air-force-signs-mou-to-test-resilience-improving-technology/ (https://www.safie.hq.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1770582/air-force-signs-mou-to-test-resilience-improving-technology/) Air Force,
Pentagon, VaQuoteZenneck Surface Wave, to carry communications signals or electrical power efficiently over
long distances along the Earth's surface without the need for wires.
8.https://arxiv.org/pdf/1910.10973.pdf (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1910.10973.pdf)
Compound Guided Waves That Mix Characteristics of Surface-Plasmon-Polariton, Tamm,Dyakonov–Tamm, and Uller–Zenneck Waves
9.https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2mptxb/zenneck-power-llc (https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2mptxb/zenneck-power-llc)
rapport about new company called[/font] Zenneck Power, LLC Overview
10. https://dallasinnovates.com/startup-funding-who-got-the-money-in-2018/ (https://dallasinnovates.com/startup-funding-who-got-the-money-in-2018/)
Viziv got $34.1M dollars. But also Viziv announced that it had raised (https://dallasinnovates.com/follow-the-money-yourcause-exits-in-157m-deal-viziv-technologies-raises-1-37m/) an additional $1.372 million in two funding rounds.
11.https://www.coursehero.com/file/p62v1kl/Zenneck-Surface-Wave-For-a-lossy-medium-%CE%B2-the-TM-reflection-coefficient/ (https://www.coursehero.com/file/p62v1kl/Zenneck-Surface-Wave-For-a-lossy-medium-%CE%B2-the-TM-reflection-coefficient/)
Zenneck Surface
Wave For a lossy medium β the TM . (https://www.coursehero.com/file/p62v1kl/Zenneck-Surface-Wave-For-a-lossy-medium-%CE%B2-the-TM-reflection-coefficient/)
this page check your security to verify that you are not robot.12.https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/wardenclyffe-lab-1901-1906/connection-to-earth/proposed-methods-for-terrestrial-resonance/ (https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/wardenclyffe-lab-1901-1906/connection-to-earth/proposed-methods-for-terrestrial-resonance/)
QuoteAt Wardenclyffe Tesla operated at frequencies from 1,000 Hz to 100 kHz.
He found the frequency range up to 30 – 35 kHz, "to be most economical."
QuoteBased upon an analysis of the Colorado Springs Notes and other sources [including Corum & Corum]
it appears a basic World System oscillator would develop a wave complex with an extremely low frequency (ELF)
in the 6 – 1000 Hz range [obtained with an alternator, NTAC, p. 155] plus a very low frequency (VLF) component around 25 – 35 kHz.
Tesla specified a frequency of 925 Hz for power transmission in the patents "System of Transmission of Electrical Energy (http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/tesla/US645576.pdf)"
U.S. Patent No. 645,576, dated March 20, 1900 and "Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical Energy (http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/tesla/US649621.pdf)"
U.S. Patent No. 649,621, dated May 15, 1900.
13.https://iom3.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09205071.2015.1093964 (https://iom3.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09205071.2015.1093964) just math
14.https://www.e-fermat.org/articles/sarkar-art-2019-vol31-jul-aug-01/ (https://www.e-fermat.org/articles/sarkar-art-2019-vol31-jul-aug-01/)
controversy about sign error the major problem between old school and Corum.
15.http://www.jpier.org/PIERM/pierm13/02.10041409.pdf (http://www.jpier.org/PIERM/pierm13/02.10041409.pdf)
ONERA (The French Aerospace Lab)
In the field of maritime surveillance,Zenneck WAVE
Wesley
Quote from: groot on October 23, 2019, 09:05:57 PM
Hello
Experiment Experiment.
Instead of wire connecting two tesla coils -- Distilled Water.
So i cut a 5 feet of plastic pipe in half so it formed a vessel. Filled it with distilled water and using alligator clip connected end of coil and water ;D.
Coils are tuned so when connected with wire you can see lit light bulb on receiving side. Power Level low so no transmission without a connection.
In my opinion this could be interesting if one can make a power transmission. Measured over 20M Ohm of resistance. Is it possible to match impedance or surface wave transmission is the only option??
Thank You
P.S.
So far I did not succeed >:( ;D
yeah why not make a mini tesla coil or use a TV lopt so it creates a plasma spray from loads of sharp spikes and put into a mesh tube to create an ion field anduse magnets to direct theions out to a collector ?
https://www.tntech.edu/engineering/research/cesr/wireless-power/power-through-earth.php (https://www.tntech.edu/engineering/research/cesr/wireless-power/power-through-earth.phpWesley)
Earth Transmission Wirelessly sending power through the earth is a project funded by the National Science Federation (NSF).
The purpose of this experiment is to send power to sensors in a field an and to determine the characteristics and viability of sending power within the earth.
The principle of earth transmission is similar to the single wire wireless power transfer characteristics of a coil.
The earth completes a path between the top and bottom electrode of the system.
Placing a current through the top electrode of the well will cause a current that will transmit into the earth and propagate across the skin layer of the earth.
This is a very similar phenomenon like seen in a Zenneck wave.
Wesley
Quote from: onepower on October 24, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
As Tesla said the goal is to charge a capacitor to the highest possible voltage and discharge it violently through the primary in the smallest time frame with no alternations or reversal.
Could you please point me to the reference where Tesla said the was discharging a capacitor through his primary without alternations or reversals?
Quote from: onepower on October 24, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
It is no easy thing but I can tell you from experience that when you do get it right all hell breaks loose. Quite literally everything becomes a conductor in ways few would expect.
You know this from experience? What did you do to "make all hell break loose? What unexpected ways are making everything become a conductor? If you did this once, then why not do it every time? Please tell me the experimental conditions that created this effect.
Respectfully
Orion
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#1.
Explanation of Dr Corum from Viziv use of Zenneck wave from the perspective of?Zenneck wave
But prospected by use of much higher electromagnetic waves - light.
it is analyzed in quora
note:
you must click: Continue Reading
How does the Tesla tower of Viziv Technologies work?
https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Tesla-tower-of-Viziv-Technologies-work (https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Tesla-tower-of-Viziv-Technologies-work)
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Wesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#2This is some sort of information exposing - what is being false or exaggerated and what is not :
in regards to strange looking Russian structure by some assigned to Tesla coil
https://www.slavorum.org/legendary-tesla-towers-are-operational-in-russia/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFQkb8O0CZM
(https://www.slavorum.org/legendary-tesla-towers-are-operational-in-russia/)Note:
Please go down of the page to :
Chuck Ruff 8 months ago
QuoteFirst, these are nothing to do with anything Tesla did.
The high voltages are developed in a completely different way than from a Tesla Coil.
The imposing looking structures on either end of the field are not the marx generators.
One, the smaller of the two, is the 3 phase, full wave rectifier stack that changes the
power from a distant power plant to DC energy.
It provides very high voltage DC energy to the other similar looking structure, which is nothing
more than a voltage regulator and switching system to fire the generator.
The actual marx generator is the tower between them. It gets the least attention because
it's not as menacing looking as the other two structures.
Its purpose was to test aircraft assemblies for EMP hardening. Obviously you "load" a small aircraft or model for testing.
Truthfully, this is not a very good way to test for EMP hardening because there is very little high power microwave energy
generated it this way.
On the other hand it is fine for testing for lightning hardening.
This facility is pointed out as an example of more advanced sciences developed by the Soviet era, when in fact, in the
United States when EMP hardening is tested it is in a machine that generates an actual EMP pulse without high voltage discharges,
actually, much more advanced than using a huge inefficient marx generator. It is also much, much cheaper to run as well.
They don't get much attention because they don't use huge menacing looking structures and lightning bolt sized sparks to execute the test.
This does not harvest lightning, it generates it artificially. Second, it is also not an attempt to create a directed energy weapon as proposed by others.
I hope this clears up any inaccuracies in the original article, although I admit, much less dramatic sounding, considering it would never work for it's intended purpose.
I propose that is the real reason it was abandoned.
in this article gentleman Marin Soljačić
is mentioned with
Quotefirst efficient non-radiative power transfer
and
QuoteUS$20 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Energy),
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Solja%C4%8Di%C4%87
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Solja%C4%8Di%C4%87)
and known for his work in solitons
to find why it is important go to link #7 at the bottom of the page
Wesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#3
Quite intensive and in some point dramatic discussion about:
Viziv, Zenneck Wave,
wave properties in comparison to laser,
Near Field and inverse square law
Although it is easy text , -for right readier it is good entertainment.
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/02/10/0615248/ask-slashdot-could-nikola-teslas-wardenclyffe-tower-have-worked
(https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/02/10/0615248/ask-slashdot-could-nikola-teslas-wardenclyffe-tower-have-worked)========================================================= (https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/02/10/0615248/ask-slashdot-could-nikola-teslas-wardenclyffe-tower-have-worked)
for these who wants easier controversy based on historical perspective go here
https://www.pbs.org/tesla/dis/responses.html
(https://www.pbs.org/tesla/dis/responses.html)
QuoteResponse
by Jim Hardesty
Because you seem to have considerable knowledge of the subject, and particularly of Maxwell's equations,
I will direct you to a very important book called Wireless Telegraphy by Dr. J. Zenneck (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1915). In Chapter 10,
"Propagation of the Waves Over the Earth's Surface," Zenneck provided some very useful information about ground waves.
Tesla indicated that Zenneck's ground wave was the non-Hertzian wave he was talking about.
The Zenneck-Sommerfeld solution to Maxwell's equations is another area for you to check.
It is known that one of the books that Tesla's most used was a copy of Maxwell's original work.
Because much of that appears in quaterions, one can assume that Tesla had considerable
familiarity with them.
I will leave you with this. Have fun! (https://www.pbs.org/tesla/dis/responses.html)
Wesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#4Here we have
WirelessPower Transmission Future as Showcased
in Nikola Tesla's Electricity Unplugged
Thomas Valone, Ph.D., P.E.
Integrity Research Institute, Beltsville MD 20705
Start reading from page 10https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/IRIANNUAL2016.pdf (https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/IRIANNUAL2016.pdf)
Quote"All that is necessary," says Corum, "is that his transmitter power and carrier frequency be capable of round-the-world propagation.
" In fact, Tesla stated, "With my transmitter I actually sent electrical vibrations around the world and received them again,
and I then went on to develop my machinery" (L.A. Times, Dec., 1904), which was verified by Dr Corum.
QuoteThe power loss experienced by this pulsed, electrostatic discharge mode of propagation was less than 5% over 25,000 miles.
Dr. Van Voorhies says, "...path losses are 0.25 dB/Mm at 10 Hz",
which often is difficult for engineers to believe, - For these who are used to transverse waves, a resistive medium,
and line-of-sight propagation modes
And some snack,
something easy - for easy go.. people:
QuoteWhen launched, the Zenneck Surface Wave literally envelops the planet like a balloon,
enabling transmitter probes to be placed anywhere power can be generated and receivers
to be placed anywhere power is needed.
https://swling.com/blog/2018/10/scientists-studying-wireless-electric-transmission-in-central-texas/
Wesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#5http://www.institutotesla.org/pdf/TESLA-THEORY-1.pdf (http://www.institutotesla.org/pdf/TESLA-THEORY-1.pdf)
nice pictures of original pages
Text loooong...
in English I didn't read it yet but for some reason ends with Russian
......................Ok I think I know what is going on.
they use Russian references
QuoteReferences .
1. B. Rzhonsnitsky,
N.Tesla, Moscow, 1959. 2. I.Tamm,
The bases of the electric theory, Moscow, Leningrad, 1949. 3.
Kessenikh, Propagation of radio wave, Moscow, 1952.
So it looks like it is "Tesla from Russian point of view"
Can be interesting .
Let me know if it has any value.
if not I'll remove it.
WesleyWesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#6
The application of electromagnetic surface waves to wireless energy transfer
Gary Peterson
The use of guided electromagnetic waves for the wireless transmission of electrical energy has long been the subject of scientific investigation.
While attention is presently focused on the near-field inductive and far-field radiative
techniques there is ongoing interest, as well, in the possibility of using a terrestrial transmission
line mode for wireless power transfer.
A history of surface wave theory development is provided, along with comments about the basic functionality of Tesla's original designs.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-application-of-electromagnetic-surface-waves-to-Peterson/f9d3824240e41b4748a403adbd0c140f2f580a06
(https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-application-of-electromagnetic-surface-waves-to-Peterson/f9d3824240e41b4748a403adbd0c140f2f580a06)Grab the original text if you can !!!!
It is worth your time
Text can be downloaded for I believe less than $35
And this is what you need!!!
should I add more than that?
Let me know if anyone have it.
Wesley
At the end of today's session some entertainment:
where was that?
what year?
https://teslauniverse.com/node/11868
(https://teslauniverse.com/node/11868)-------------------------------------------------------- (https://teslauniverse.com/node/11868)
and another one :
I'm not sure why this was published in Research gate
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321105897_Paradigm_Lost_Nikola_Tesla's_True_Wireless (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321105897_Paradigm_Lost_Nikola_Tesla's_True_Wireless)
let me know if it has any value.
Wesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#7This link is typical to Zenneck wave information bin,
however it adds to the picture soliton from its quantum perspective.
https://www.think-aboutit.com/rediscovering-the-zenneck-surface-wave/
by definition
soliton in classical mechanics is:
a self-reinforcing wave packet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_packet) that maintains its shape while it propagates at a constant velocity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167278998001110 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167278998001110)
===========================================================
but in quantum world
soliton is understood as:
a quantum or quasiparticle propagated as a
traveling nondissipative wave that is neither preceded nor followed by another such disturbance.
some controversy as to the value of the article is added by mentioning scalar waves and John Bedini into the picture.
However it is good that this information is kept in separate sections of the text.
in this link below Hebrew University first price went to
QuoteProfessors Mordechai Segev and Tsvi Piran in the Exact Sciences category. Segev, the Robert J. Shillman
Distinguished Professor of Physics at the Technion,
is receiving the award for his research in nonlinear optics.
Segev was the first to observe 2D lattice solitons and the first to demonstrate a photonic topological insulator.
A soliton is a quantum or quasiparticle propagated as a traveling nondissipative wave that is neither
preceded nor followed by another such disturbance.
https://www.marketscreener.com/EXACT-SCIENCES-CORPORATIO-9232/news/EXACT-Sciences-EMET-Prize-announces-new-cadre-of-winners-28803469/
Mordechai Segev (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mordechai_Segev&action=edit&redlink=1)
[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Solja%C4%8Di%C4%87#cite_note-3)was also doctoral advisor of than postgraduate and now profesor of MIT
Marin Soljačić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Solja%C4%8Di%C4%87 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Solja%C4%8Di%C4%87)
(Mordechai Segev and
Marin Soljačić, then at Princeton), together with Menyuk, made the connection between
solitons and fractals 13.
Solitons are self-trapped wavepackets that interact with one another in a manner similar to the way that particles do.
In some cases,
solitons are self-similar; that is, their shape
http://www.mit.edu/~soljacic/fractal-optics_NatPhot.pdf
As convoluted as it sounds
Dr Corum from Viziv used in his papers
2D lattice
made of air and earth called interface as the medium for Zenneck wave.
And if it was only him I would not be taking it so serious ,so demanding of careful consideration.
It is an army of scientists who have no problem with interface made of two materials having different dielectric properties
such as :
-two different dielectrics,
-dielectric and conductive plate
-air as dielectric and earth as lossy conductive medium
by use of descriptor :
-lossy conductive
we understand also
lossy dielectric - it is all the same but differently written.
it could be the plate , wire, or other medium that has some conductivity and some dielectric properties
For the
interface that can make the signal to travel in it important is to have combination of the two.
But if we make medium from two different dielectrics than that joining edge of two of them is also able to allow to wave to travel.
So in regards to Dr Corum and Viziv in the first link here :
QuoteThe first recorded solitary wave was observed in the 1834 when a young engineer named John Scott Russell
but this is again classical mechanics
So what quantum mechanics has to do with that?:
Well:
Prof. Segev (Hebrew University) was the first to observe 2D lattice solitons and the first to demonstrate a photonic topological insulator.
Photonic phenomena belongs to Quantum physics.A soliton is a quantum or quasiparticle propagated as a traveling
nondissipative wave
https://www.cfhu.org/news/emet-prize-announces-new-cadre-of-winners-two-are-from-hebrew-university/ (https://www.cfhu.org/news/emet-prize-announces-new-cadre-of-winners-two-are-from-hebrew-university/)
So if it is nondissipative wave
and is mentioned also in this quasiscientific article
https://www.think-aboutit.com/rediscovering-the-zenneck-surface-wave/ (https://www.think-aboutit.com/rediscovering-the-zenneck-surface-wave/)
QuotePropagation of such a signal through a transmission line or conductive path apparently takes the form of
successive solitons that regenerate their spherical pattern much like a smoke ring vortex.
It is an enfolded structure consisting of high rotation energy in the doughnut shape
don't take it literally
We have ground for Dr Corum statement that inverse square law doesn't affect Zenneck wave the way we would expect it to affect.
We also know that the lower is the frequency , the lower are the losses over the distance.
QuoteThe power loss experienced by this pulsed, electrostatic discharge mode of propagation was less than 5% over 25,000 miles.
Dr. Van Voorhies says, "...path losses are 0.25 dB/Mm at 10 Hz", which often is difficult for engineers to believe,
who are used to transverse waves, a resistive medium, and line-of-sight propagation modes
https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/IRIANNUAL2016.pdf (https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/IRIANNUAL2016.pdf)
Wesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#8
Classical Goubau G-line transmission -the predecessor of its other form the Zenneck wave in the interface
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html (http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html)
Wesley
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#9
In analysis of more than 200 patents and pending applications of Dr Corum there is new development
of additional information that have been discovered in existing Viziv structure and now is implemented in new patents.
the new of what is already known starts from page 45 and fig 23
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/3c/95/53/ee7bf7fa504c00/US9882436.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/3c/95/53/ee7bf7fa504c00/US9882436.pdf)
but that is very interesting.
I understand that most of you don't want to spend your time and fallow the progress.
You know already about thunderstorm that may ruin your house and change your life but you don't care.
For me it is exciting and very entertaining
but that is me, how about you ?
I'll analyze it and formulate my conclussions
Wesley
After a few experiments, I think that energy can be sent through the earth but you need to find a natural wave and put our transmission on it.
Current will flow through the earth and voltage will flow through the air.
The only problem is working at Hz but it can be modulated.
Something like that:
You theory must be able to work with large pieces of metal that are not in the groud.
Like Kapanadze says.
Where is your circuit? How many turns, whats your driving scheme?
How does an isolated device like Schwartz plates supposed to works with this?
Quote from: Toolofcortex on February 19, 2020, 07:42:41 AM
You theory must be able to work with large pieces of metal that are not in the groud.
Like Kapanadze says.
Where is your circuit? How many turns, whats your driving scheme?
How does an isolated device like Schwartz plates supposed to works with this?
I do not know what do you want.
Quote from: r2fpl on February 19, 2020, 04:56:38 AM
After a few experiments, I think that energy can be sent through the earth?
Something like that:
Results?
Helloooooooo
Quote from: Toolofcortex on February 19, 2020, 07:59:16 AM
Results?
Helloooooooo
This is an idea, not a solution.
You have any suggestion because I would like to see something too.
Few links allowing you to understand better:
link#10wikipedia quote:
http://taggedwiki.zubiaga.org/new_content/1d6ee7d41ec21a73b780e6817e82b25b (http://taggedwiki.zubiaga.org/new_content/1d6ee7d41ec21a73b780e6817e82b25b)
QuoteIn various writings,
Tesla explained that the Earth itself behaves as a resonant LC circuit (http://taggedwiki.zubiaga.org/new_content/1d6ee7d41ec21a73b780e6817e82b25b) when it is electrically excited at certain frequencies.
At Wardenclyffe he operated at frequencies ranging from 1,000 Hz to 100 kHz.
Tesla found the frequency range up to 30 – 35 kHz "to be most economical."
Excitation of earth resonance at or near a fundamental frequency of about 11.7 Hz suggests energy transmission
by means of a spherical conductor "single-wire" surface wave transmission line mode.
A Schumann resonance (http://taggedwiki.zubiaga.org/new_content/1d6ee7d41ec21a73b780e6817e82b25b) mode (the fundamental frequency being about 7.5 to 7.9 Hz) is probably not involved.
The entire Earth can be electrically resonated with a single type-two source, so an earth-resonance based system
would require, at a minimum, that only one generating facility be constructed.
Alternatively, two distantly spaced type-one generating facilities could be constructed.
Such a system would not be so dependent upon the excitation of an earth-resonance mode.
In either case a surface or ground wave, similar to the Zenneck wave (http://taggedwiki.zubiaga.org/new_content/1d6ee7d41ec21a73b780e6817e82b25b) would be utilized.
Artificially induced earth currents (http://taggedwiki.zubiaga.org/new_content/1d6ee7d41ec21a73b780e6817e82b25b) would be utilized.
According to Tesla, the planet's large cross-sectional area provides a low resistance path for the flow of earth currents.
The greatest losses are apt to occur at the points where the transmitting / receiving plants and dedicated receiving
stations are connected with the ground.
This is why Tesla stated,..... continue reading in article
Wesley
This post may be here only temporarily, everything depends from escalation of situation about Viziv, Dr Corum, at
Hackaday forum. and later it may be removed .
I was just informed about escalation of disinformation in regards to Viziv (point A to point B energy transmission)
as well as my own videos about Viziv and Schumann waveguide energy extraction that are heavily scrutinized in some parts of the internet .
From one hand this is quite good,because
"negative information" known also in EU by word
anti-reclama ( anty-reklama
) works similar to "information" making information to be more popular.
So my publicly available work was highly likely found by some Russian authorities too disturbing.
But not only that. Scrutiny is applied to whole Viziv, Tesla Tower ,and Zenneck Wave on
Hackaday forum.So we have main two characters there :
Mark- positive character explaining and delivering.
and
Michael Anderson - assigned by me as negative character,
"his" conduct looks for me as work of entire team of not so much educated in subject matter Russian specialists of disinformation .
Some of them with good and some with not so good English skills
.
He is jumping off taking it to the sides ,not listening, reading, analyzing,and what I also found so much disturbing is
that Michael Anderson is defecating on our American and Western education and scientific recognition.
Quote:
Quotein this case, apparently BS, MS and PhD really DOES stand for "Bull-s***", "More of the Same" and "Piled higher and Deeper."
Mark in response to Michael Anderson negative comment, is delivering understanding to the audience .
So why I mentioned it here?
Well,
Mark was trying number of times to respond to Michael Anderson but his posts have been hold for days, before they went published or never published.
So why Michael Anderson had "no problem" but Mark did?
In the advance of Russian "RUNET" limiting information to Russian audience, they use algorithms
analyzing text, cutting words and sentences in both scientific and thematic areas that are inconvenient, to ruling Russian elite.
They also spend money on some of our Western analyzing services giving them requested format of scrutiny.
So after so many attempts , Mark finally used wording format, that delivers information that is fooling mathematical algorithm,
without creating an attention of life coordinators, Censors cutting words , trimming sentences .
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Correction: as of today that whole comment of Mark fallowing thematically Viziv discussion was removed .
But now, that may raise your concern about
who is the owner of Hackaday?
Who Hackaday works for ?
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Summary:-whole horde of paid individuals is working for interest of the Russian elite that is frozen in time in their evolution,
for already 101 years since 1918 and that empire is slowly coming to its end.
As a subject of their predatory action in 2011 during my trip to Tariel Kapanadze likely I was not terminated, because I was lucky. I only got sick.
https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/
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New development:
Mark pointed few times at possible Russian internet intelligence service scrutiny on
Hackaday forum.
From one hand, there is nothing wrong with Russian ownership of any forum on our Western World cyber space .
this is free world and everyone should have equal chances .
However after few days Mark's comments was chopped again,single words were cut and removed.
After that most of his responses to
Michael Anderson were deleted.
The whole chapter where
<"Michael Anderson"> who had no problem there to publicly , "defecate" at our Western education system and scientific recognition was removed too._______________________________________________________________________________________
For curiosity if one wants to find how censorship works from outside of known to us Western world you may try to publish something there :)
I strongly suggest however to avoid such forums,
or if you really want to have extreme experiences than it always helps to:
-be consulted by your IT professional,
-having "fingerprint" changed every 2 minutes
-double fire wall
-VNS
-and at best use someone else internet connection .
some of my friends have 2 or 3 different providers.
After:-9/11, my office at WTC1
-2011 my visit to Kapanadze
-2013 unwanted "visit" of Venezuelans at one of my houses.
-2019 I was sprayed with virus straight in my face.
nothing really surprises me to much.
Wesley
Legal note;
I'm expressing only my own personal opinion here, based on constitution of USA.
New developement about Viziv Technology in response to Mark comment :
https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6223868 (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6223868)
PART#1
Quote:
George says:April 2, 2020 at 8:43 pm (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6234066)Let me try to clear the air here.
I worked for a company that invested in this and I had the opportunity to visit this site.
I got to see first hand over 1KW (a one HP motor was operating with no interconnecting wires)
received at over 1km. This was using one of the smaller devices, not the big tower.
The big tower was under construction and was testing using just a few watts..
The small tower/device was running about 5KW from a AM broadcast transmitter.
This project is real and there is no magic.
The Corum's are first rate scientists and have been identified by the US government
as a national resource with their work at Airforce Cambridge.
I had the chance to talk with them at the Viziv/Texzon facility.
They are considered THE authority on Tesla's RF work and Ball Lightning by the
Russians and Americans both.
They indicated that they had full access to all the Tesla documents in Belgrade
while working with the 1st and 2nd directors and hinted there is nothing at Wright Pat.
They made it clear the work in Milford is to basically make and "extension cord"
for power and global communications with very low power and phased arrays for location.
There is no free energy nonsense. Their calm is that they discovered how to produce a
Zenneck Surface wave by illuminating the ground with RF fields at the Brewster angle.
A Zenneck wave drops off as one over the square root of the distance.
However when a load is connected to earth all the power went to the load with minor losses.
During the presentation they indicated it was much the same as using teledeltos paper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledeltos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledeltos)
PART#2
Quote:
They showed us a laser pointer reflected off the conference room table, at the Brewster angle
there was no reflection.
But, if you looked along the edge of the table the light was very bright.
They explained the light energy was trapped along the surface of the table.
They spent 40 years trying to figure out how to do the same thing with RF.
They indicated the obstacle was the earth dirt around the tower.
Apparently the dirt was frequency sensitive and it made the Brewster angle non real and complicated.
That was when they lost me.
Some how they made a complicated Brewster angle by playing
with the phase between the vertical and horizontal parts of the local RF fields.
This somehow this made an infinite plane.
I hope some day they publish what is behind all the patents.
They did not mention anything about Schumann resonance as you have alluded to above.
They only said their wave guide was one sided just the ground and they work very hard to prevent radiation.
Their real joy was the the replication of an experiment done by Bell Labs in the mid 30s.
The Corum's were able to demonstrate that the 1930s experiment was incomplete.
http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf (http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf)
PART#3
Quote:
They replicated what Bell Labs did and then demonstrated that if the radiation was removed
by making the structure very small and the RF fields were just so for the water, a ZenneckSurface
wave could be produced.
That proved that Zenneck and Sommerfield were right back around 1910.
With Zenneck waves there are no near and far fields, just a traveling wave with very low loss.
From what I was able to get out of the presentation regarding Tesla was that they had reproduced
Tesla's Colorado Springs experiment and sent power 25 miles.
They were quite adamant that thereare no Tesla secrets and no cover ups.
Everything you need is in the existing Tesla literature.
What is not in the literature is the "how does it work".
That is in their patents and 40 years of hard labor.
One of the Corum's had a big sign in his office,Do what Tesla tells you to do and you get the same results.
Don't try to do what you think Tesla did (something like that).
There was also a working replica of one of Tesla receivers in his office.
It was the same one he used to listen to the Jovian decametric signals and hear one, two, three.
There was also a working replica of the "eagle bug" from the great seal from the US embassy in Russia.
Who knows what else they are working on...
It was a fascinating day spent at Milford, TX.
Wesley
quick notes:
consulted with Dr Hans for publishing
Wesley's publication
#153/165________________
for side viewer there is a need to:
-watch case supporting material only few minutes. All videos starts from given time frame.
-realize that <array> of interest is an energy beam that is tilted in desired direction to avoid refraction and reflection from the interface.
-terminology and Viziv concept applied practically is based on phasing coils stacked vertically is explained in my video link below.
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applied to:
material for analysis of wave tilt at Brewster Angle in practice.
material for analysis of phase components causing beam tilt at desired direction
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case supporting material study:
1.https://youtu.be/R0xwyVlqsRo?t=679 (https://youtu.be/R0xwyVlqsRo?t=679)
TSP #170 - Is 5G Dangerous?
2a.https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=199 (https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=199)
Basics of Antennas and Beamforming - Massive MIMO Networks
note: down beam.
2b.https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=425 (https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=425)
Polarization of an antenna watch for 1.5 minute.
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3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBmoL2wZLw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBmoL2wZLw)
Hackaday Supercon - HunterScott : Why Phased Arrays are Cool and How to Build One
I have mixed opinion about Hackaday
Gentleman presenting phase ray has no experience apart from being passionate and he is looking for some others who will educate him.
I suspect Hackaday of being <somewhat Russian influenced>
cheap way to get information by attracting hobbyists and passionate individuals.
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4.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzhMUH-Q8kY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzhMUH-Q8kY)
Phased Array Demonstration System
important only as visual representation of directionality of narrow beam of energy .
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5.https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=12s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=12s)
Lecture 21 (EM21) -- Surface waves
This lecture introduces the student to the concept of surfaces waves.
It describes why they exist identifies a number of different types of surfaces waves.
Extra detail is provided on ways to couple energy into surface waves, surface plasmons,
and Dyakonov surface waves.
summary:
a.consult with: Corum patents -by analysis of
Dr James Corum
phasing coils /slow wave https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=675 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=675)
b. environment:
- vertical HV coil
- standing wave
- set of phasing coils
- slow wave stands for delay
- angle of incident, adjusted to approx 62 degrees down from top capacitor as the highest in elevation.
- slow wave adjustment by slider at one of coils
-set of multiple coils serving as HV coil.
-signal is delivered to two or more phasing coils in vertical arrangement
- time delay for directing beam
- set for no reflection and no refraction
-start from 52MHz after successful test go down to 1.8MHz
than to any frequency below e.g 200kHz
- for test from 52 to 1.8MHz you can use Yaesu or Kenwood e.g. Kenwood 2000
watch for SWR!!
Wesley
:)
got you Vova by the b/alls .
специальная форма подарка c США - с днём победы 9 мая
быстрые записки:
проконсультировались с Доктором Хансом для того, чтобы издаать замет публикацию *
Wesley's Publication
#153/165
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для зрителя есть потребность:
-Смотреть <изучение материала> всего несколько минут.
- Все видео начинаются с с заданного периода времени..
- понять, что <array> который нас интересует, это энергетический луч, который наклонен в желательно-нужном направлении, чтобы избежать "преломления" и отражения от интерфейса.
- Терминология и концепция Viziv, , применяемая практически на основе фазирующих катушек, уложенных вертикально, объясняется в моей видео ссылке ниже.
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применяется :
-к материалу для анализа наклона волны под углом Брюстера на практике.
-к материалy для анализа фазовых компонентов, вызывающих наклон луча в нужном направлении
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изучение материала:
1.https://youtu.be/R0xwyVlqsRo?t=679 (https://youtu.be/R0xwyVlqsRo?t=679)
TSP #170 - Is 5G Dangerous?
2a.https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=199 (https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=199)
Basics of Antennas and Beamforming - Massive MIMO Networks
note: down beam.
2b.https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=425 (https://youtu.be/xGkyZw98Tug?t=425)
Polarization of an antenna
Поляризация антенны,. пожалуйста, смотрите в течение 1,5 минут.________________________________________________________
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBmoL2wZLw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBmoL2wZLw)
Hackaday Supercon - HunterScott : Why Phased Arrays are Cool and How to Build One
У меня есть смешанное мнение о Hackaday
Джентльмен не имеет никакого опыта кроме того, о, что он ищет некоторых других, которые будут его обучать.
Я подозреваю, что Hackaday находится *под неким российским контролем* - дешевый способ получать информацию, привлекая любителей и страстных людей.
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4.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzhMUH-Q8kY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzhMUH-Q8kY)
Phased Array Demonstration System
important only as visual representation of directionality of narrow beam of energy .
Демонстрационная система с фазированной" решеткой" важна только как визуальное представление направленности узкого пучка энергии.
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.https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=12s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=12s)
Lecture 21 (EM21) -- Surface waves
Лекция 21 (EM21) - Поверхностные волны Эта лекция знакомит слушателя с понятием поверхностных волн.
- описывает, почему Поверхностные волны существуют,
идентифицирует ряд различных типов поверхностных волн.
Дополнительная информация о способах объединения энергии в поверхностные волны, поверхностные плазмоны и поверхностные волны Дьяконова.
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Краткое изложение :
a.консульт с патентами Corum - анализ фазирующих катушек доктора Джеймса Корума
медленная волна
phasing coils /slow wave https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=675 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=675)
b. среда :
- вертикальная высоковольтная катушка
- стоячая волна
- набор фазирующих катушек
- медленная волна обозначает задержку
- угол падения, отрегулированный примерно на 62 градуса вниз от верхнего конденсатора как самый высокий по высоте.
-регулировка медленнoй волны с помощью ползунка на одной из катушек;
- набор нескольких катушек, служащих/, выступающих в качестве катушки HV.
- сигнал доставляется двум или более фазирующим катушкам в вертикальном расположении
-задержка по времени ( zamiedlienie )направляющего луча
- устанавливается без отражения и без преломления
-запуск с 52 МГц после успешного испытания понижается до 1,8 МГц, чем до любой частоты ниже, например, 200 кГц -
- для испытания с 52МГц до 1,8 МГц вы можете использовать Yaesu или Kenwood, например Kenwood 2000
Будьте осторожны и следите за КСВ !!! (SWR)
поймал тебя Вова за я/йца.специальная форма подарка c США - с днём победы 9 маяWesley
Part 1 EEV blog criticism creates protest of FE community
https://youtu.be/l6uPHxQVEgQ (https://youtu.be/l6uPHxQVEgQ)
Wesley
re. video:
Part 1: EEV blog criticism creates protest of FE community
https://youtu.be/l6uPHxQVEgQ (https://youtu.be/l6uPHxQVEgQ)
In number of videos EEV blog videos are calling FE community with names.
I respect his freedom of expression however there are some boundaries gentleman must not cross.
Entire forum of EEV blog in topic
"Bullshit: Texzon Wireless Power" https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/bullshit-texzon-wireless-power/250/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eevblog.com%2Fforum%2Fdodgy-technology%2Fbullshit-texzon-wireless-power%2F250%2F&event=video_description&v=l6uPHxQVEgQ&redir_token=lXA2ZaL8SASiDV_4qBLqbw7Li2x8MTU5MDg0MjEwMkAxNTkwNzU1NzAy)
has also rights to freedom of expression according to American freedom of speech rights.
However when balance is not kept and:
-individuals who examined Viziv Tesla tower are terminated from EEV blog,
- FE activists are scrutinized by that forum
- activists are banned by the owner of YouTube EEV Blog
EEV blog own activity in this area looks like paid by oil based , feared Eastern regimes targeted action.
....than we are dealing no longer with freedom of expression but with one party propaganda in good "soviet style"
It is great discomfort to address my complain to that definitely
talented high level professional, but if it is needed it will be massive response form FE community in all forums.
Let's go to the next one:
The Hackaday forum is even worse....
Hackaday is making changes to original comments changing its meaning ,
and that is falsification.
Posts are altered , words are cut and this is against American law .
*My video is friendly to EEV blog , and I hope we can avoid escalation of that situation,*
I don't say the same about Hackaday forum
- they didn't deserve any respect from our community .
https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6225357
(https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fhackaday.com%2F2019%2F11%2F20%2Ftexas-tesla-tower-titillates%2F%23comment-6234066&event=video_description&v=l6uPHxQVEgQ&redir_token=lXA2ZaL8SASiDV_4qBLqbw7Li2x8MTU5MDg0MjEwMkAxNTkwNzU1NzAy)George send by investor to examine
Viziv Tesla Tower was terminated by EEV Blog for copying his own comment from Hackaday and posting it on EEV blog.
https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6234066 (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6234066)
https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6223989 (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6223989)
Mark complained
Mark complains about altering his own text ,cutting words discomfortable to Russian Troll Agency RIRA
https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6224093 (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/20/texas-tesla-tower-titillates/#comment-6224093)
Wesley
https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU (https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU)
Understanding of energy conversion, extraction, transfer and in future video if approved to extraction of Energy from Schumann Waveguide .
That includes Tariel Kapanadze device as in line with this material.
1. Who this material is for
2. reasoning
3. history - key people
4. history of discovery 5. Zenneck wave
6. main phenomena
7. claimed achievements
8. explanation of wave tilt a. Brewster Angle vs Wave Angle
9. summary
1. для кого это или для кого нет
2. причина публикации
3. история - ключевые люди
4. история
5. Zenneck wave волна Зеннека
6. основные явления
7. заявленные достижения
8. объяснение наклона волны
a. Угол Брюстера против Угол Волны
9. Сводка
1. Who this material is for - this material is for scientists and experimenters having sufficient level
of understanding of physical phenomena behind claimed discovery based on any available evidence or proof.
This material is not for entertainment, and is not made to prove or is denying proof of concept nor
is trying to convince anyone.
1. для кого это или для кого нет - этот материал предназначен для ученых и экспериментаторов,
имеющих достаточный уровень понимания физических явлений, стоящих за заявленным открытием,
на основе любых имеющихся доказательств Этот материал не предназначен для развлечения
и не предназначен для опровержения доказательства концепции, и не пытается убедить кого-либо.
Wesley
https://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/mf/mf.htmlimpedance (https://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/mf/mf.htmlimpedance) matching when using 100 to 500kHz for
Tx Tesla Tower with your experiments.The frequency of the generator
that was was used in my team test was in the range of 450 KHz Variometer
can be used for it.
The problem we have experienced was impedance matching from 50 Ohm
to whatever the primary of Tesla was asking for .
So in this link you have very helpful information .
My experience is that some articles from this site disappears in time,
my ADVICE IS TO PRINT IT .
Note :
We were testing Two Tesla coil configuration
distance > 21m to <500m between towers important
to notice is that plenty of Ham transceivers are easily modifiable.
That means Tx of transceiver can be unblocked to operate at outside of
Ham Frequencies.the example of such rig is on the picture below in the comment
such as Icom 706
https://www.universal-radio.com/used/sold363.html (https://www.universal-radio.com/used/sold363.html)
ranging in price from 300 to 700 US dollars.The other advantage is that
all of the frequencies tested by Dr James Corum from Viziv including 53MHz are there .
So it is one tool for all .It must be noted that anyone can have such device but use of it
is reserved to Ham Radio operators. :)
And I have in my team such guys.
Wesley
PS: modification link: http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/4445/ic-706-modifications?ic-706-modifications,113 (http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/4445/ic-706-modifications?ic-706-modifications,113)
https://www.qsl.net/w8cwe/icom.html (https://www.qsl.net/w8cwe/icom.html)
http://jwatrous.org/706-new/706.html (http://jwatrous.org/706-new/706.html)
https://www.mods.dk/index.php?ModelId=275 (https://www.mods.dk/index.php?ModelId=275)
this link shows on the top modification to 475KHz but it ask for log in.
(http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/4445/ic-706-modifications?ic-706-modifications,113)
Tesla coil impedance matching calculation
http://hotstreamer.deanostoybox.com/TeslaCoils/Misc/impedance/impedance.html
Wesley
Part 1 of preparation and understanding:
general rules:
1. Zenneck Wave doesn't radiate !!!
but it radiates...in Near Field before it enters earth air interface at Brewster Angle.
2. After you establish proper energy transfer into interface it is not important if it is 1W or 31kW.
3. if you successful in this training from A to B points over the distance and using this experience you try extracting
energy from Schumann waveguide than amount of energy received doesn't have limit.
but it does
more in my future videos..
4. Zenneck Wave is solution of Maxwell Equations and there is not yet any regulation created in this area
5. if you are able to transfer mW than you are able to transfer W without any change to the structure Tx Rx
and than kW and than MW however at kW/MW Tx is simply more rigid ...that's all.
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Some difficulties to keep Frequency of operation in research of Zenneck Wave
and energy transfer on a distance lies in regulations.
The rule here is the lower is the frequency the better is performance due to lower losses on the signal.
Scientific explanation of mentioned phenomena is not explained in this article .
Frequency of operation for registered Hams available is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2200-meter_band (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2200-meter_band)
Option of LF:
-136kHz.=2200m
1/4 Y wavelength resonant antenna ~ 1/4 mile of mile.
But when coiled it is not longer that 6 ft ( or smaller on 6" former )
Bandwidth: 135.7–137.8 kHz to the Amateur Service on Friday 9 November 2007.
Max ERP power 1W.
Effective radiated power (ERP),- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_radiated_power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_radiated_power)
Band planThe 2005 IARU Region 1 Conference defined the band as follows:[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2200-meter_band#cite_note-3)
135.7–136.0 kHzStation
Tests and transatlantic reception window136.0–137.4 kHz
Telegraphy137.4–137.6 kHz
Non-Telegraphy digital modes137.6–137.8 kHz
Very slow telegraphy centred on 137.7 kHz
https://www.qsl.net/g4cnn/mystatn/mystatn.htm (https://www.qsl.net/g4cnn/mystatn/mystatn.htm)
I have 2 of Cober 606 ..a much better option is probably Velonex 360
Make sure that you have proper plugins ( internal generator or BNC for external generator)
that weight around 80kg both operates at similar 31kW from 10kHz to 1MHz
special license is only required if energy is radiated .But there is no license to have it and use it on proper load e.g dummy load.
another story is if there is commercial or research or university entity that has suitable credentials issued by FCC.
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however there is another band that doesn't require license and that is :
https://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/170khz.149673/ (https://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/170khz.149673/)
But FCC regulation must apply.
HOWEVER ALL OF FCC REGULATIONS APPLES TO RADIATED (electromagnetic wave) ENERGY INTO AIR AND ZENNECK WAVE IS NON RADIATING WAVE IN FAR FIELD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field)
receiver :
E.G Late 1940's Hallicrafters steel cabinet AM-FM broadcast band only receiver, covers
55-170 Khz AM, 88-108 Mhz FM.Cubic CDR-3250 LF-HF Receiver 10 KHz thru 30 MHz Mil Spec DSP Shortwave Radio
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cubic-CDR-3250-LF-HF-Receiver-10-KHz-thru-30-MHz-Mil-Spec-DSP-
Shortwave-Radio/401909474752?hash=item5d93abe5c0:g:R6kAAOSwnSJdlb~F (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cubic-CDR-3250-LF-HF-Receiver-10-KHz-thru-30-MHz-Mil-Spec-DSP-Shortwave-Radio/401909474752?hash=item5d93abe5c0:g:R6kAAOSwnSJdlb~F)
but for tests of low power there are other indicators so receiver is not needed .
Surprisingly to some of you this is also schematic of Tesla Amplifying coil.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this is simplified schematic of working device for energy transfer
from A to B .
Tx and Rx are exactly the same with the difference that at the top of the coil there is not an antenna but top capacitor whose regulated elevation
is used for tuning.
My recent video is here:
https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU (https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU)
Wesley
31kW generator for Tx
However Velonex 360 may be much better
Cober 606 high power pulse generator with P-27 low-level pulser.
Functionally equivalent to the Velonex 360.
The Cober 606 is a versatile,
High- Power Pulse Generator that produces a broad range of excellent wave shape
pulses at peak powers of up to 31 Kw.
Very fast rise and fall times, high repetition rates, and a wide range of pulse widths are obtainable.
The unit is capable of operation over the full range and at either negative or positive polarities
without the use of costly plug-ins.
The above and many additional features make the
Cober 606 a most flexible and useful high-power pulse generator .
The 606 is complete with a pulser module for selecting
the pulse width and rep rate, or the user may inject his own
10-volt external pulse. In fact, the 606 may be provided without the
pulser module for those who desire to use their standard low-level laboratory units.
The output from the 606 is continuously adjustable from 0 to 2,500 volts
at an output current of 12.5 amperes. The output voltage is read directly
on a front panel meter, and a 1000:1 capacitance divider allows scope
monitoring of the output wave shape.
The pulse width is variable from 50 nanoseconds to 10 milliseconds,
and the repetition rate is adjustable from a single shot to 1 MHz.
Rise time is adjustable upwards from 20 nanoseconds.
"Floating Deck" circuitry allows 5 KV D. C. isolation of the pulse
from ground and permits either positive or negative pulse polarities,
as selected by the operator. No accessories are required for up to 5 KV D.C.
isolation or pulse polarity reversal. Pulse transformers are available in the event higher
D.C. isolation is desired or for other voltage and current combinations.
Overload circuits, zero start interlocks, and fusing are some of the
safety features that provide full protection to equipment, load and personnel.
testing. Specific applications include use as a power source for
solid-state devices such as Gunn diodes, solid-state lasers and electro-optical
modulators; driving source for gridded and cathode pulsed power tubes, particularly microwave tubes.
The 606 is used for performing destructive or nondestructive testing of
electrical and electronic components and for determining their electrical and life characteristics.
The high voltage and power of the 606 makes it ideal for pulsing gas lasers, plasma tubes and
gas discharge devices.
The high rep rate capability of the 606 makes it especially useful for applications where pulse coding
is desired — bursts with pulse-to-pulse spacing of less than 1 microsecond are available.
The 606 also finds application in the pulse testing of magnetic components as well of other applications.
Buyer may pick up in Ventura ,CA 93060.Item
weighs approx.150 lbs.. ....
OUTPUT VOLTAGE (Peak) 0-2500 Volts
Output Current (Peak) 0-12.5 Amperes
Pulse Power (Peak) 0 to>31KW
Duty Factor at Full Power 1.5%
Pulse Polarity (Selectable by Operator): Positive or Negative
Rise Time(nanoseconds) 20
Fall Time(nanoseconds) 35
Pulse Width at full power-(microseconds)0.05-3000
At reduced power-0.05-10,000
Pulse Repetition Rate: one shot-1,000,000 p.p.s.
Droop at full current 0.004%/microsecond*
Overshoot: Less than 5%
Jitter:(nanoseconds): Less than 5
Ringing:Less than 2%
Floating Output Insulation: 5KV D.C.
Input Power: 115/230 Volts,50/60Hz Single Phase,10 Amperes
Size: 19"W x221/4"D x14"H
Weight: 150 lbs.
Wesley
this is for these who understand
High Power Plasma Generator PVM2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhkURRlvX0g
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on September 21, 2019, 07:57:07 AM
Dave you have rights to express your opinion.
I think that Dave manifests problem with basic fundamental knowledge about physics of electromagnetic wave.
Here in this part of forum we ask you Dave for link/support/prove/or evidence of your statement if there is any.
When accepted and known laws of physics and its models are questioned by anyone it is nothing wrong with challenging such individuals.
We want the space of this forum to be condensed to maximum with valuable and useful data.
Wesley
Sorry I missed this one if you look in The old Sciantists vids he demonstrates this with a radio set up inside to tin box's
Quote from: DavidWolff on June 17, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
Sorry I missed this one if you look in The old Sciantists vids he demonstrates this with a radio set up inside to tin box's
I didn't find this particular video of TheOldScientist (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNbdkwT-LstmshlLDOqs7JA)however I do remember it
The whole story about Faraday cage :
In the video
Faraday Cage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0fLnucE6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0fLnucE6A)
We see that nothing effects object inside of it.
However spectrum of spark is in its maximum of ~1GHz
and electromagnetic field around is measured by electrostatic charge accumulated on the object.
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In another video we have exactly the same problem that was mentioned by
The Old Scientist.The Difference Between Grounded and Ungrounded Faraday Cages Regarding AM, FM & 2.4 GHz WiFi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGm8kmoK6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGm8kmoK6A)
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Faraday Cage - Chicken Wire vs Aluminum Foilhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M6h1U9jgWs
In this video you see the difference between chicken wire cage and aluminum foil cage.
some explanation:
-If the size of grid made from
Chicken Wire is higher than wavelength of the signal than that wave can penetrate inside of the chicken wire Faraday box.
-if the size of chicken wire grid is lower than only part of that energy is attenuated and that also depends from polarization of the wave.
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now lets go to full aluminum Faraday box and here we have few surprises.
Instead of Faraday aluminum box always shielding any frequency we may see that e.g cellphones at 2.4Ghz works there
At some instances we may also see that FM at 93 MHz is also working but attenuated to some level.
So what is going on?
I hope someone will provide the answer to it before I come up with it.
Wesley
some addition:How Powering with Atmospheric Electricity Works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rVdEhyMR6A
Note: Please go to previous page to see my first post of today.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg547753/#msg547753 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg547753/#msg547753)
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bin with some links needed for my new video:
ATTENUATION AND IMPEDANCE MATCHING FOR TESLA COIL AND RESONANCE CIRCUITS:
1.Calculation of Tesla Coil Output Impedances
http://hotstreamer.deanostoybox.com/TeslaCoils/Misc/impedance/impedance.html (http://hotstreamer.deanostoybox.com/TeslaCoils/Misc/impedance/impedance.html)
2. Microsim 8.0 Allows you the simulation of a micro-controller based Digital Input/output board Can be used to step motors for DIY automatic antenna tuner
https://microsim.software.informer.com/8.0/
(https://microsim.software.informer.com/8.0/)2a.Arduino semi-automatic antenna tuner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjZkSR27_cc
https://qrznow.com/arduino-semi-automatic-antenna-tuner/
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjZkSR27_cc)2b. Adding 630 and 2200 Meters to the MFJ-259B
explanation: MFG antenna tuner can be expanded with additional frequency range for tuning e.g Tesla coil.
http://blog.n1bug.com/2016/12/22/adding-630-and-2200-meters-to-the-mfj-259b/
(http://blog.n1bug.com/2016/12/22/adding-630-and-2200-meters-to-the-mfj-259b/)2c. Variometer that can work on 2200m or frequency range 472 to 479 kHz
https://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/mf/mf.html
(https://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/mf/mf.html)
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other examples of variometers - make sure it works at low enough frequency before you buy it.
http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/Variometers/Variometers.htm
(http://ok1fig.nagano.cz/Variometers/Variometers.htm)https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hilco_variometer.html (https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hilco_variometer.html) this one is beauty
2d. Impedance Matching 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUrwoHRLJM&t=974s
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUrwoHRLJM&t=974s)2e. Convert Wavelength In Metres to Hertz calculator
https://www.unitconverters.net/frequency-wavelength/wavelength-in-metres-to-hertz.htm (https://www.unitconverters.net/frequency-wavelength/wavelength-in-metres-to-hertz.htm)
3.Basic Tesla's Experiments (Part 5) – Impedance Matching
http://www.spigellab.com/2016/07/12/basic-teslas-experiments-part-5-impedance-matching/ (http://www.spigellab.com/2016/07/12/basic-teslas-experiments-part-5-impedance-matching/)
4.Efficient power transmission via Tesla Coils, impedance matching and Band filter TheOldScientist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh9UBJ-ZcsQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh9UBJ-ZcsQ)
5.Basic Tesla's Experiments (Part 6) - Oscillating electric field and capacitive coupling
coupling( inductive and capacitive is a parameter of impedance matching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yFrQ41Za0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yFrQ41Za0)
6.RF transformer design with ferrite cores – initial steps.
Transmatch or antenna tuner is in form of transformer at low frequencies from 500kHz down.
https://owenduffy.net/blog/?p=15362 (https://owenduffy.net/blog/?p=15362)
6a.sample of wide frequency transformer ( but good only for low power receiver)
Frequency Range 0.05 MHz to [/font]220 MHz[/font][size=0px][/size]Impedance Ratio: 1:4 Unbalanced to [/font]Unbalanced
[/font]http://www.minirf.com/pdf/transformers/XFA-0301-4UHDS.pdf
http://www.minirf.com/pdf/transformers/XFM-1001-4WHDS.pdf (http://www.minirf.com/pdf/transformers/XFM-1001-4WHDS.pdf)
http://www.minirf.com/pdf/transformers/RFXF3593DS.pdf (http://www.minirf.com/pdf/transformers/RFXF3593DS.pdf)
Note: I will talk about balunes later on
6b RF Transformers - explanation what it is and what it does.
https://www.minicircuits.com/app/TRAN14-2.pdf (https://www.minicircuits.com/app/TRAN14-2.pdf)
7. Copy of my post Viziv Tesla tower
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg537255/#msg537255 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg537255/#msg537255)
8. Dr James Corum [currently owner of Viziv tower, (Zenneck Wave)] patent from 1986this patent explains ways of shortening size of tesla coil by Cw CCW bifilar and fractal techniques
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4751515A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US4751515A/en)
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Zenneck Wave links will be posted in next comment.
Wesley
Links needed to my next video or to understanding of my next video.
Zenneck Wave ( surface wave):
1.December 2014 A STUDY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF ELECTROMAGNETIC A STUDY FOR
THE PROPAGATION OF ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES OVER IMPERFECT GROUND PLANES BASED
ON WAVES OVER IMPERFECT GROUND PLANES BASED ON SCHELKUNOFF INTEGRALS SCHELKUNOFF INTEGRALS
https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.bing.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1179&context=etd (https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.bing.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1179&context=etd)
2. TESLA'S BIG MISTAKE? ( controversial)
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html (http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html)
3.Wireless Power Conference - 2016 Corum, Miller & Corum:
Surface Waves Baylor University Texzon Technologies, LLC TEXZON TECHNOLOGIES
CONFERENCE PAPER DATE: March 23, 2016]
SURFACE WAVES*AND THE 'CRUCIAL'PROPAGATION EXPERIMENT
http://web.archive.org/web/20161019214341/www.texzontechnologies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TEXZON_Baylor_Corum16.pdf (http://web.archive.org/web/20161019214341/www.texzontechnologies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TEXZON_Baylor_Corum16.pdf)
4.AMfone forum 9 Zenneck weave Tesla Tower in Milford Texas (Viziv)
http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,43319.msg313790.html (http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,43319.msg313790.html)
5.Terahertz imaging of sub-wavelengthparticles with Zenneck surface waves
Yes Zenneck Wave works from single Hz to THz.
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.4836195
(https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.4836195)6. Air Force has agreed to facilitate placement of Field Intensity Monitoring and Reporting Stations
at several Air Force installations. The placement of passive field measurement devices is an important
step in the advancement of wireless energy transmission technology.
Note: in plain ENGLISH that means that Viziv Tower in Milford Texas is transmitting
but military has now monitoring stations to convince itself that Viziv technology in reality is capable of sending energy
for various applicationsinternet, cellphone, communication and electrical energy to power the devices or remote electrical grid.
https://www.safie.hq.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1770582/air-force-signs-mou-to-test-resilience-improving-technology/ (https://www.safie.hq.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1770582/air-force-signs-mou-to-test-resilience-improving-technology/)
send energy using Earth/air interface
https://www.safie.hq.af.mil/InstallationEnergy/
(https://www.safie.hq.af.mil/InstallationEnergy/)https://media.defense.gov/2019/Feb/28/2002094339/-1/-1/0/280219-F-QY132-1002.JPG (https://media.defense.gov/2019/Feb/28/2002094339/-1/-1/0/280219-F-QY132-1002.JPG)
7. Wireless Power -- Zenneck Surface Wave:
informational by Ham community
This has been licensed for testing in the 1710 to 1900 kHz band. for Viziv
https://www.eham.net/article/40822
(https://www.eham.net/article/40822)7a.
The 2200 meter or 136 kHz band is the lowest frequency band in which amateur radio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio) operators are licensed to transmit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2200-meter_band (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2200-meter_band)
7b. Effective radiated power
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_radiated_power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_radiated_power)
7c. 170khz and harmonics spread.https://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/170khz.149673/ (https://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/170khz.149673/)
8.biography of Dr James Corum and his brother Kenneth Corum
http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/corumzenneck.html
(http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/corumzenneck.html)9.2200m Wspr From A Small Garden -
Working on frequencies from 120 to 200MHz using legal Ham bands
Important as my video https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=661 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=661)
is showing working structure on this band.
https://www.qsl.net/g0mji/Pt%202%20LF%20Wspr.html (https://www.qsl.net/g0mji/Pt%202%20LF%20Wspr.html)
10.100W Transmitter Amplifier for 2200m (http://electronics-diy.com/electronic_schematic.php?id=1065)
http://electronics-diy.com/electronic_schematic.php?id=1065
(http://electronics-diy.com/electronic_schematic.php?id=1065)
11.2200 (and 630) Meters bands for testing Zenneck Wave energy Transmission
http://www.n1bug.com/lfmf/ (http://www.n1bug.com/lfmf/)
related links to this article:
Related blog posts:
Adding 630 and 2200 Meters to the MFJ-259B Adding 630 and 2200 Meters to the MFJ-259B (http://blog.n1bug.com/2016/12/22/adding-630-and-2200-meters-to-the-mfj-259b/)
Comments on the Jackson Harbor press LF Converter (http://blog.n1bug.com/2016/12/23/comments-on-the-jackson-harbor-press-lf-converter/)
The Dreaded SMD & Building a 630-Meter SDR (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/01/01/the-dreaded-smd-building-a-630-meter-sdr/)
Evaluating the SoftRock Lite II on 630-Meters (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/01/01/evaluating-the-softrock-lite-ii-on-630-meters/)
More on SoftRock Lite II 630-Meter Performance (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/01/02/more-on-softrock-lite-ii-630-meter-performance/)
More Evaluating the SoftRock Lite on 630-Meters (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/01/04/more-evaluating-the-softrock-lite-on-630-meters/)
Final Test of SoftRock Lite II on 630-Meters (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/01/10/final-test-of-softrock-lite-ii-on-630-meters/)
2200 Meter SoftRock Lite II (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/02/01/2200-meter-softrock-lite-ii/)
Low Noise Vertical for LF and MF Receiving (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/11/21/low-noise-vertical-for-lf-and-mf-receiving/)
Building a 2200-Meter Transmit Converter (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/12/30/building-a-2200-meter-transmit-converter/)
Building a 630-Meter Transmit Converter (http://blog.n1bug.com/2017/12/31/building-a-630-meter-transmit-converter/)
A Low Drive 630 Meter Amplifier (http://blog.n1bug.com/2018/01/24/a-low-drive-630-meter-amplifier/)
A Low Drive 2200 Meter Amplifier (http://blog.n1bug.com/2018/02/18/a-low-drive-2200-meter-amplifier/)
12. THEPROPAGATIONANDEXCITATIONOFSURFACEWAVESINANABSORBINGLAYER
http://www.jpier.org/PIER/pier19/02.970718p.Ling.SU.pdf (http://www.jpier.org/PIER/pier19/02.970718p.Ling.SU.pdf)
13.Lecture 21 (EM21) -- Surface waves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wIIABIU3tRw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wIIABIU3tRw)
This video although not easy to some of the viewers explains mostly based on frequencies of light in NM-ters how surface wave lands in the interface.
Frequency is not important to explain Surface waves or its special kind of it the Zenneck Wave.
the only difference is that some of different techniques are used for NM-ters wavelength
but physics behind it works the same way.
Wesley
bin of links needed to my next video:
NEAR FIELD , FAR FIELD
1. HOW DO WE DEFINE THE FAR FIELD OF AN ANTENNA SYSTEM, AND WHAT CRITERIA DEFINE THE
BOUNDARY BETWEEN IT AND THE NEAR FIELD?
https://people.eecs.ku.edu/~callen58/501/Capps2001EDNpp95.pdf (https://people.eecs.ku.edu/~callen58/501/Capps2001EDNpp95.pdf)
2.Fraunhofer Diffraction vs. Fresnel Diffraction
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Fraunhofer_Diffraction_vs_Fresnel_Diffraction (https://www.diffen.com/difference/Fraunhofer_Diffraction_vs_Fresnel_Diffraction)
Note: This is important as Zenneck wave must land in the Air Earth interface under Brewster Angle with no reflection or diffraction.
3. Antenna Theory - Near and Far Fields
https://www.tutorialspoint.com/antenna_theory/antenna_theory_near_and_far_fields.htm (https://www.tutorialspoint.com/antenna_theory/antenna_theory_near_and_far_fields.htm)
4.Near and far field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field)
Wesley
links needed to my new video
G-line or Goubau line
1. Introduction to the Propagating Wave on a Single Conductor Introduction to the Propagating Wave on a Single Conductor Glenn Elmore
http://www.corridor.biz/FullArticle.pdf (http://www.corridor.biz/FullArticle.pdf)
explanation : prior to approval of science of existence of Zenneck Wave there was Goubau who introduced transmission of energy
over single wire coated with layer of dielectric or dielectric paint.( some magnet wires)
However historically it was Dr Zenneck in early 1900.
more historical explanation is here :
https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=96
Wesley
links needed to my new video
NMR and amplifiers:
this set of links may look like it is not exactly in line with this topic however surprisingly it finds its application here.
I have purchased for 50 dollars, an amplifier made for NMR that originally cost 67000 dollars in 1997
At today's money it will cost twice as much.
I didn't even know about this device as nobody was interested with it.
The device was offered to me by one of universities that was in must to sale it - to take it out of inventory.
CAN YOU BELIEVE IN IT?
NOBODY WANTED IT?
The secret is in lack of education of you the public in general.
Ignorance or just stupidity.
These amplifiers are extremely wide band
NMR-300L50M
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac00002a711
(https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac00002a711)And now for Zenneck Wave I have frequency range from 5MHz to 600MHz
at power level from 300W to 50W. full coverage of the band.
Important:
if you drive it at more than 30mW and more than 1V, you damage it for almost 100%
the device has internal shut off circuity for load/load connection failure or impedance mismatch with an exception of driving power!!!
So from one hand it is almost impossible to damage it ,unless you do that what manufacturer didn't expected you to do.
Wesley
related to post from above 750W
Wesley
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg550404/#msg550404
Wesley
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg550582/#msg550582
Wesley
PART 1
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes. QuoteSmart guy is the lucky fool who didn't drop the chance.
Are idiots of the noticeable magnitude born--or are they made?
Find for your self look at the mirror.
Thomas Jefferson.
_______________________________________________
Note: wording used here is purposely: my own and matches perfectly
historical and technical data.
The material below is not impossible to find but it is
very hard to obtain
It may be not important to you but it is important to me.
________________________
The article in first section is talking about history:1.Theoretically predicted by Maxwell in "A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism" and experimentally confirmed by Hertz, wireless power transfer 1888.
2. Application of inductive coupling and capacitive coupling was done by Tesla
for the purpose of presentation in his South 5th Avenue lab.
it was a single loop of electrical cable suspended from the ceiling around the perimeter of a Tesla's large room,
inside of which were multiple receiving coils.
a. From1891 to 1898 Tesla demonstrated the resonant inductive coupling (called at that time - the
electrodynamic induction) and the capacitive coupling (or electrostatic induction) near-field wireless power transfer techniques,.
The presentation was kept (both) privately .
b. the same presentation from point a. was done in New York laboratories and during presentations in New York,
Chicago, St. Louis, Philadelphia, London and Paris.
c. to explain the phenomena he used wording: 'effects of a damped character' and 'circuits which radiated rapidly.'
d. in 20tieth century Tesla developed technique
in which the radiation resistance is lowered and the production
of electromagnetic space waves is suppressed.
3. Based on it Tesla constructed
The magnifying Transmitter.
Note: concept of Magnifying transmitter was used by Dr Corum in 2018 to build his Tesla tower in Milford
Texas.
a. In 1899 he moved his research to Colorado Springs preparing plans for Wardenclyffe Tower , in Long Island that was
to serve as trans Atlantic communication facility. ( He said it in 1916 in the interview patent attorney Drury W.
Cooper, )
QuoteQuote from the interview:
"From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent
of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy
that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent
of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current
that passes through the earth. . . . Note, for instance, the
mathematical treatise of Sommerfeld, who shows that my theory is
correct, that I was right in my explanations of the phenomena."
4. Two gentleman: Jonathan Zenneck and Sommerfeld
Sommerfeld : radiation from a short vertical monopole over a finitely conducting ground.
this paper was done based on earlier created paper by Jonathan Zenneck that describes a
unique surface wave solution to Maxwell's equations. that is in disagreement with
"electromagnetic space wave studied by Hertz in 1887"
a. so that was Sommerfeld pointing at two related concepts of Space Waves consistent with TEM mode :
- "surface waves."
-"Hertzian waves"
"
but he used an example the electrodynamic wave
that is associated with an electric current flowing along a wire." (
old English form of wording used .)_______________________________________
James R. Wait pointed at the fact that , according to Sommerfeld, both the 'space wave' and the 'surface wave' components are needed, "in order to satisfy Maxwell's equations and the appropriate boundary conditions,"and that the surface wave part is quite similar to the Zenneck surface wave. concluding that:
surface wave part is quite similar to the Zenneck surface wave
Quote
Wait agrees that the Zenneck surface wave accompanies the space wave,
and can be made to, "predominate under certain . conditions
For more look at part 2
Wesley
PART 2
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes.
_______________________________________________
Note:
-wording used here is purposely: my own and matches perfectly
historical and technical data.
- every world here has its meaning, every term has value.
Dr Hans
_______________________________
1.In 1937 Charles Burrows conducted a series of wireless propagation experiments at 150 MHz over Seneca Lake in upstate
New York, using loaded vertical quarter-wave dipole antennas. Burrows concluded that the surface wave mode as modeled
by Sommerfeld was not excited. Experiment found, both analytically and experimentally, that it is possible to use "resonators" to
excite a Zenneck wave that is observed to be 10-20 dB stronger than corresponding radiation fields.
Note there was also controversy created by Dr Burrow:
look here - https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=78 (https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=78)
2.free electron model for the behavior of valence electrons in a conductor is the base for theoretical model of Zenneck wave .
"it is assumed that valence electrons are assumed to be completely detached from their ions, forming an "electron gas." due to its low resistance." - old English form of wording used .
The wave is supported by a planar or spherical interface between two homogeneous media having different dielectric constants.
The Zenneck wave has a phase velocity greater than that of light, and its field strength falls off exponentially at a rate of e-αd/√d
in the direction of propagation along the interface, where α is a frequency-dependent attenuation constant.
By that we get to the conclusion that field intensity of the bound wave is at a maximum at the earth-atmosphere interface and it
decays exponentially with height above the surface. the prediction here is that no cut-off phenomenon is to be encountered.
__________________________________________________________
2. Practical application:
a. frequency of operation: within the 2.1-kHz wide bandwidth of 2200-meter Amateur Radio band between 135.7-137.8 kHz,
b. the maximum power allowed by FCC on this band is 1W E.R.P
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3. Coil HV 1400 turns gauge AWG 22
a. former for coil: 13.5cm x 86cm
b. primary winding is 8 winds ( turns)
c. diameter of copper sphere is around 16cm*
d. the telescopic mast is made from PVC
____________________________________________________________
*suggested size of the top capacitor( the sphere/ 1/2 of the sphere) is much bigger( the bigger the better)
The minimum distance between top capacitor and earth ground must be not less than 4 times diameter of top capacitor.
for more look at part #3
Wesley
comment of Igor Moroz deleted as inflammatory aggressive and inconsistent with the subject of this forum.
But I'm glad that "some Russians" reacted this way.
Russia can not exist in its current form if any publication in this area is replicated into working device.
Wesley
PART 3 :
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes.
TRANSMITTER
Two different forms of Transmitter:
Both of them use slow wave helical resonator L1
The green color transmitter L1 is connected to top capacitor T1
and to the earth ground .
The red color transmitter uses capacitive reactive connection to the ground through Cb
That explains Tariel Kapanadze device as working with or without the ground wire.
That is also in line with Dr James Corum (Viziv) patents.
Virtual "capacitor " Cb is formed between T2 and earth-the lossy conductive medium
Wesley
Be careful here before you click on this link:
there was warning saying that certificate of this article is invalid or expired.
This article is not directly related to my current material
posted here .
But it talks about polarization that will be discussed here as well.
so why it is important?
High-power phase shifter that can on-line adjust the transmit phase of high-power at microwave (HPM) .
the only difference here of great interest will be:
High-power phase shifter that can on-line adjust the transmit phase of high-power at LF or ULF frequencies.
so the phenomena is important as it applies to any frequency .
After I clicked on this link and accepted the risk around 1211kbts of data was tied to be send to Chinese or Russians..
I pushed
kill switch and changed VPN location.
No more tracking was happening.
https://piers.org/pierspublications/PIERS2014GuangzhouProceedings02.pdf (https://piers.org/pierspublications/PIERS2014GuangzhouProceedings02.pdf)
QuoteAbstract : In this paper, we proposed a type of all-dielectric metamaterial(ADM) with quasi-continuous structure,
which can inspire quasi-continuous electric and magnetic responses to ac-quire left-handed properties in free space.
The proposed model utilizing dielectric rods and cubes as sub-wavelength inclusions.
A two dimensional polarization independent left-handedness can be achieved with the frequencies at C band.
The rods resonant under characteristic modes can generate negative permittivity and permeability,
whereas the cubes are used in the non-resonant ]modes to assure the continuity of the displacement currents in dielectric inclusions.
The simultaneously double negative properties can be interpreted by electric and magnetic fields distributions of the dielectric
inclusions near 7.6 GHz under normal incidence with polarization angle 45 further study on transmission spectra and effective
[/font]refractive indexes of the model with different polarization angles shows that the left-handed property is insensitive to different
polarization angles due to theπ 2 rotation symmetry of the ADM.
The proposed ADM can be easily realized at infrared and optical frequencies with dielectric inclusions.
Wesley
PART 4:
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes. Practical information about constructing Transmitter receiver pair for transmission energy from point A to point B
Note:
Working device made by me (didn't work in my place at that time) and pushed to work by Dr Hans may be published as well.
The device is:
1. extracting energy from Schumann waveguide
2. uses only one Tesla coil acting as receiver.
3. this energy exists in the interface earth air in form of surface wave known as Zenneck Wave.
4. the level of that energy is varying based on energy fluctuation in Schumann waveguide.
5. that energy enters the interface at Brewster Angle .
6. Tariel Kapanadze device is likely the best and the most advanced form of such device,
but Tariel doesn't have any idea how the device works and what physical phenomena is taking place there.
He was just able to make it work.
a. technology of Dr James Corum is just simple transmission of energy from A to B but uses exactly the same
phenomena as Tariel Kapanadze. The only difference is that Dr Corum uses transmitter receiver pair being separated
at some distance-preferably unlimited around the earth.
b. training with Dr Corum A to B transmission is the must!!!
-unless someone will be that lucky as Tariel Kapanadze to just get it right , for the first try.
c. this is not the toy and it is not any kind of Russian fake, however Russia may collapse as a first after working device is
available for wide replication.
Quote: of practical application material:
This is not my text and article or quote is not is mine
QuoteA type-one Tesla transmitter. The resonator has a 7:1 aspect ratio,
which is the same as one of the experimental coil forms that Tesla used in Colorado Springs.
With the door-knob topload it resonates at about 185 kHz. An elevated 23" diameter aluminum
disk brings the resonant frequency down to about 123 kHz or lower.
Wesley
PART 4a :
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes.
The text and/or posted material is not mine :)
practical application material:
Primary
coil form (spool): upper portion of a 5-gallon plastic pail
Diameter: 11.5"
Length: 2.125"
Wire size: AWG #14, type MTW THWN THHN AWM 600 volt
Turns: 18
Winding length: 2.125"
Secondary
Coil form: 1/8"+ cardboard cylinder with 3/32" acrylic ends, with a few light coats of polyurethane finish
(Grace Ice & Water Shield cylinder)
Diameter: 5.3125"
Length: 38"
Wire size: AWG #24
Turns: 1740
Winding length: 37.5"
Inductance: 54.6 mH
Resistance: 72.7 ohms
Height of bottom turn above ground: 18" + 6" (pallet height) = 24"
Elevated terminal
Aluminum disk
Diameter: 23"
Thickness: 0.125"
Height above top turn: 3' 4.5"
Aluminum duct
Diameter: 3.25"
Overall diameter: 29.5"
Ground terminal
Copper bonded steel rod: 5/8" x 8', 2 with 8" spacing, driven into the water table at a depth of approximately 4' below grade
Connecting wire: 14' AWG #10 (stranded) + 21.5' AWG #16 cord
NOTE:
mast must be telescopic and must allow to adjust the position of the top capacitor Up/Down !!
Wesley
Very nice
Some specifics for education and experiments
Perhaps a new dedicated and educational thread/topic ?
Much gratitude
Chet
PART 4b :
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes.
Note: The text and/or posted material is not mine :)
practical application material:
1. For the purpose of testing between point A and point B at minimum distance Tx must have very small power.!!
Note :minimum distance - is different and depends from power delivered and frequency.
The lower is the frequency the minimum distance is bigger.
E.g: for 1.8MHz that distance is approximately 21 m
Note: the presented practical device works at frequency between 132KHz to 180kHz
Wesley
PART 4c :
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes. Note: The text and/or posted material is not mine :)
practical application material:
Tesla coil top is connected with the wire to top Capacitor
for bigger power this top of the coil must use
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=689 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=689)
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=958 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=958)
PART 5 :
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes.
Note: The text and/or posted material is not mine :)
practical application material:
How to make telescopic structure easily by using PVC tubing.
Wesley
I hope some of you are trilling from emotions and not meowing.
However some government guys in Russia may be very much shaking in fear..
-will I go all the way this time ?
or will I stop at some point.
The answer is simple
I know how suffering for long period of time feels like and I'll never forget it.'?
Would that be their turn now?
I try to publish as much as I can before My friend in science starts to oppose.
Wesley
PART 6:
All credits paid to:
-Dr.James Corum
- Kenneth Corum
- Gary Peterson
- Dr Hans
- Dr Roy
Thank you to all mentioned above contributors to the general knowledge, whose position was supporting,
contradicting or correcting presented phenomena, phenomena in question and described processes.
RECEIVER:
Note: The text and/or posted material is not mine :)
practical application material:
A Tesla receiving transformer with widely-adjustable variable elevated terminal.
The terminal is not very robust, but gives a very wide range of tuning and is particularly useful when first configuring a transmitter-receiver pair.
Special thank you to Gary Peterson
Dear Gary
Your outstanding practical and theoretical study of Zenneck Wave
is the treasure
and it is my honor to write this words to you
73
PURSUING TESLA'S VISION Creation of aTesla Curriculum
GaryPeterson
Tesla Memorial Society
January11,2014
Note: this book was printed by great contributor to general knowledge
in 2014 when Dr James Corum only started his Viziv and Zenneck Wave Experiments
So some statements from the book are in the form of hope for its development.
As of today we know that Gary Peterson
was right.
http://www.teslaradio.com/pages/Pursuing_Tesla's_Vision.pdf (http://www.teslaradio.com/pages/Pursuing_Tesla's_Vision.pdf)
Wesley
Question to Wesley:
#1
What is the frequency of the device and what is the distance between the two Tx and Rx.
Я ЗАДАЛ ВАМ ДВА ПРОСТЫХ ВОПРОСА ЧАСТОТА ИМЕННО ВАШЕЙ УСТАНОВКИ И ВАШЕ РАССТОЯНИЕ ДО ПРИЕМНОЙ СТАНЦИИ_
Answer:
Let's start from the beginning.
We have two Tesla coils assembly.
One serves as Tx the other like Rx
Frequency of the Tx can be any from Hz to THz.
Начнем с самого начала. У нас есть две сборки катушек Тесла. Один служит Tx, другой как Rx. Частота Tx может быть любой от Гц до ТГц.
The distance between Tx and Rx should be bigger than Brewster Angle distance x2.
(look at Picture 1) but it works in practice already in less than that distance as long as signal from Tx going at Brewster Angle to the interface is not reflected and refracted.
.расстояние между Tx и Tx должно быть больше, чем расстояние по углу Брюстера x2
на практике это работает уже на меньшем расстоянии пока сигнал от Tx, идёт под углом Брюстера oт Tx, к интерфейсу,
нo oн не отражается и преломляется..
(и это это самое важное во всем, что вы здесь делаете - без отражения и без преломления - сигнал должен попадать в интерфейс)
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Question to Wesley:
#2Can the signal (at the Frequency Region mentioned by you) be received by regular AM receiver or field probe?
ОПИСАННЫЙ ВАМИ ДИАПАЗОН ЧАСТОТ НА КОТОРЫХ МОЖНО ДЕЛАТЬ ЭКСПЕРИМЕНТ ПРИНИМАЕТСЯ НА ОБЫЧНЫЙ АМ ПРИЕМНИК!!!!!!! А МОЖНО И НА ПРОСТЕЙШИЙ ИНДИКАТОР ПОЛЯ!!!!
Answer:
If you send unmodulated signal from Tx at any power level- you will not hear it in AM receiver because Am receiver doesn't have BFO
however field probe doesn't need BFO and will show you strength of the signal.
You can use BFO in receiver the same way as you are receiving CW (A1 type modulation)
Если вы отправляете немодулированный сигнал от Tx на любом уровне мощности - вы не услышите его в приемнике AM,
потому что приемник AM не имеет BFO, однако полевой зонд не нуждается в BFO и покажет вам силу сигнала.
Вы можете использовать BFO в приемнике так же, как вы принимаете CW (модуляция типа A1)
In theory:
But you are NOT and CAN NOT hear the signal in the interface at any type of receiver
if you don't have the right antenna for it
* Ho Теоретически : * вы НЕ И НЕ МОЖЕТЕ услышать сигнал в интерфейсе на любом типе приемника, если у вас нет для него подходящей антенны.
In practice you can , but you need to know how
На практике можно, но нужно знать, как
https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=411 (https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=411)
Wesley
Here is the more accurate visual explanation and more processes are shown here.
Вот более точное визуальное объяснение, и здесь показано больше процессов.
1. approximate Brewster angle is pointed :
Указан приблизительный угол Брюстера
- Near Field boarder and Brewster Angle is shown
показаны граница ближнего поля и угол Брюстера
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster%27s_angle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster%27s_angle)
- Fresnel zone is shown
- Показана зона Френеля
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone)
- Adjustment of Top Capacitor is shown
Показана регулировка верхнего конденсатора.
That adjustment is Crucial when adjusting Brewster Angle . Эта регулировка имеет решающее значение при регулировке угла Брюстера.
- Interface and its Air/ Earth boarder is marked
интерфейс и его граница воздух / земля отмечены
Wesley
Секрет доктора Корума
Некоторым россиянам это может не понравиться a to выглядит как теперь уже поздно использовать новичок
Secret of Dr Corum
Wesley
This is the secret of Dr Corum
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=662
Wesley
QUESTION TO WESLEY:
ВЕСТЛИ ВОТ СМОТРИТЕ!!!!!! СЕКРЕТ ДОКТОРА КОРУМА ВЫ ПРИСЛАЛИ МНЕ И ЕЩЕ КУЧЕ И ВАШИХ ВРАГОВ И ВРАГОВ АМЕРИКИ!!!!!!!
ТО У МЕНЯ СРАЗУ ВОЗНИК ВОПРОС ОБ ИНФОРМАТИВНОСТИ ЭТОГО!!!!!!!!
Wesley please look here :
You gave me Secret of Dr Corum
But you wrote it to number of enemies of yours and enemies of USA
And that immediately created question about the value of that secret.
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ANSWER:You have been to long under influence of Russian system.
This information is in Dr Corum patents , so it is a secret to the people who wants things to be given to them
Most of the readers have no skills or need to dig for information or analyze it.
It is not nice to compare them to plenty of sheep around but at some point ..
They little eat, little analyze and little defecate all around..
You want to provide a dry surface for a sheep to walk ...
But understanding - is for them to much of hassle , if they don't see the gain...
and they don't see the gain because they don't understand where the gain is.
Вы слишком долго находились под влиянием русской системы.
эта информация содержится в патентах доктора Корума,
поэтому это секрет для людей, которые хотят, вещи.которые будут даны им.
Большинство читателей не имеют навыков или необходимости копать
(вырыть) информацию.
Сказать неприятно, но они как бараны немного еды, некоторые трахаются, некоторые испражняются и уходят в другое место
Вы хотите, чтобы овца могла ходить по сухой поверхности ...
Но понимание для них слишком велико, если они не видят выгоды ...
a они не видят выгоды, потому что не понимают, где выгода
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QUESTION
TO WESLEYSo where is the secret if secret was already given by you
what is the nature of the secret?
Так где же секрет, если секрет уже был вами дан
в чем суть секрета?
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ANSWER:
That what was shown on the picture above is core of Dr Corum Success and possibly Dr Corum failure
This information had to be included in the patents to become protected
But
Dr Corum used any kind of wording to create convoluted not clear and not easy understanding of the role of the stack of HV coils one of the top of the other,
He doesn't want you to understand it and I don't yet want to explain it to you.
То, что было показано на картинке выше, является сутью успеха доктора Корума и, возможно, неудачи доктора Корума.
Эта информация должна была быть включена в патенты, чтобы стать защищенной, но доктор Корум использовал любые
формулировки, чтобы создать запутанное, непонятное и непростое понимание роль стопки высоковольтных катушек одной
из верхних частей другой, Он не хочет, чтобы вы это понимали, и я еще не хочу вам это объяснять
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QUESTION
TO WESLEY
QuoteThat what was shown on the picture above is core of Dr Corum Success and possibly Dr Corum failure
How to understand success and failure of Dr Corum?
То, что было показано на картинке выше, является сутью успеха доктора Корума и, возможно, неудачи доктора Корума.
Как понять успехи и неудачи доктора Корума?
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ANSWER:
The success of Dr Corum seen this technology as his as personal gain.
Patents were his pride , and money making machine from its sale or authorization to use of the patents.
He and his brother - they are to old to make independent business by their own.
They can only use money of other people..
Доктор Корум рассматривал технологии как свою личную выгоду.
Патенты были его гордостью и машиной для зарабатывания денег на их продаже или разрешении на использование патентов.
Он и его брат - они слишком стары, чтобы вести самостоятельный бизнес. Они могут использовать только чужие деньги [/color][/font][/size]
The failure :
The failure of Dr Corum is the people like me.
the subject is so wide that his 200+ patents didn't protect everything.
People like me can publish that what is not yet protected and explain that what is already protected .
That is why "some" Russians are so eager to stop me.
However some industries will definitely not be happy about my revelations.
My partner in science is business oriented , I'm not.
I have unique pleasure of seeing some Russians very much disturbed ..
The most significant part of the punishment is
- the unknown..Will Wesley go all the way this time?
Will anyone who fallows his explanation go out with that first?
Who will be that guy, Russian, Polish or some other. ?
How to find these guys -buy them, in-prison them, or terminate them ?
Неудачa доктора Корума - это такие люди, как я. тема настолько широка, что его 200 патентов не защищают все.
Такие люди, как я, могут публиковать то, что еще не защищено, и объяснять то, что уже защищено.
Вот почему «некоторые» россияне так хотят меня остановить. Однако некоторые отрасли определенно
не будут довольны моими откровениями. Мой научный партнер ориентирован на бизнес, а я нет.
Мне очень приятно видеть, что некоторые россияне очень встревожены.
Самая важная и суровая часть наказания -
неизвестность. Пойдет ли Уэсли на этот раз до конца?
Выскажется ли кто-нибудь, кто последует его объяснению, первым?
Кто будет этот парень, русский, поляк или другой. ?
Как найти этого парня и купить его, посадить в тюрьму или убить?
Wesley
QUESTION TO WESLEY:
ИЗВЕНИТЕ ВЕСТЛИ ПРОСТО НЕ ХОЧУ ВВЯЗЫВАТЬСЯ В ДИСКУССИЮ ЧТО БЫ СЛУЧАЙНО НЕ НАГРУБИТЬ!!!!!!
ЗА МНОГИЕ ГОДЫ В ИНТЕРНЕТЕ БЫЛО СКОЛЬКО ВРАНЬЯ!!!!!!!
ЧТО ВЕРЫ НЕ ОСТАЛОСЬ НИ К КОМУ!!!!!
ВЕСТЛИ БЫЛ ПОСЛЕДНЕЙ НАДЕЖДОЙ!!!! НО ПОКАЗАТЬ ХОТЬ КОРОТКОЕ ВИДЕО НАОТРЕЗ ОТКАЗАЛСЯ!!!!!!
И ВДРУГ С ЛЕГКОСТЬЮ ПРЕДОСТАВЛЯЕТ ИНФОРМАЦИЮ СВОИМ ВРАГАМ КОТОРЫЕ СКВЕРНОСЛОВЯТ
И НА НЕГО ЛИЧНО И НА ЕГО СТРАНУ!!!!!!
И ПОДУМАЛ Я ЧТО ТО ТУТ НЕ ТАК!!!!!!!!
МОЖЕТ Я НЕ ПРАВ!!!!!
I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN A DISCUSSION THAT DOESN'T ACCIDENTALLY GET A LIGHT!!!!!!
IN MANY YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY LIES ON THE INTERNET !!!!!!!
THAT THERE IS NO FAITH LEFT FOR ANYONE !!!!!
Wesley WAS THE LAST HOPE!!!!
BUT TO SHOW AT LEAST A SHORT VIDEO FLATLY REFUSED !!!!!!
AND SUDDENLY HE EASILY PROVIDES INFORMATION TO ENEMIES WHO FOUL-MOUTHED BOTH WESLEY PERSONALLY AND HIS COUNTRY!!!!!!
AND I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS WRONG!!!!!!!!
MAYBE I'M WRONG!!!!!
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ANSWER:
I'm obligated to my friend in science.
If he is in good mood he approves some information to be released.
My information is strongly supported by scientific facts and publications.
If you look here at the forum there is not a single person who tries to prove me wrong.
It doesn't mean that I'm 100% right.
It only means that level of average reader is not yet higher that mine in this area.
But even that doesn't mean anything.
Tariel Kapanadze was very much limited in knowledge person who got some more experience and was lucky enough to try and build .
Most of the people doesn't experiment till they see working device, right in front of them.
Russians are very interesting people. They try blindly to repeat Tariel Kapanadze achievement or clone device.
But most of them are not interested with theory or with fundamental question:
Quote-What the energy comes from?
-What was the form of the very first energy used in the process.
-What is process of conversion of that energy?
Americans and Europeans, are mostly to lazy or to busy, to do it as everything is given to them in nice affordable form to consume it.
Making the final video with working device will be good but than my friend in science will ask me.
-What is there for me from that?
You are absolutely right, all of that publication by me doesn't make any sense if I was not willing to tell but only to tempt ..
But that we can ask why:
Akula -presumably dead now
Adrian Guska -presumably dead now
DALY -presumably dead now
SR193 -presumably dead now
Vasmus -presumably dead now
All of them from Russian zone ..
Why did they show their videos?
Will I show the video of working device to screw some Russian and other regimes?
It is not up to me to decide.
Honestly I don't care much
I'm being fueled by watching these guys to dance in fear over hot flames.
I was dying in the plane from poisoning not knowing what is going to be next..
How much time I have left ..
Let them to suffer and think who is going to be first..
But someone will be the first publishing the device, tomorrow or at the next near time
Я обязан своему другу в науке.
Если он находится в хорошем настроении, он одобряет некоторую информацию,
которая будет освобождена.
Моя информация решительно подтверждается научными фактами и публикациями.
Если вы посмотрите здесь, на форуме нет ни одного человека, который пытается доказать
что я неправ.
Это не значит, что я прав на 100%
Это только означает, что уровень среднего читателя в этой области еще не выше моего.
Но даже это ничего не значит.
Тариэл Капанадзе был очень ограниченным в знаниях человеком, который получил
немного больше опыта и ему посчастливилось попытаться построить.
Большинство людей не экспериментируют, пока не увидят работающее
устройство прямо перед собой.
Русские очень интересные люди.
Они пытаются слепо повторить достижение Тариела Капанадзе или клонировать устройство.
Но большинство из них не интересуется теорией или фундаментальным вопросом Quote- откуда берется энергия?
-Какая была форма самой первой энергии, использованной в процессе?
-Какой процесс преобразования этой энергии?
Американцы и европейцы в большинстве своем ленивы или слишком заняты,
потому что им дано все в красивой доступной форме, чтобы потреблять это.
Было бы неплохо сделать финальное видео с работающим устройством,
но меня спросит мой друг по науке.
-Что мне от этого?
Вы абсолютно правы, вся эта моя публикация не имела бы никакого смысла,
если бы я не хотел рассказывать, а только искушать ...
Но мы можем спросить, почему:
Акула - предположительно мертв сейчас
Адриан Гуська - предположительно мертв сейчас
ДАЛИ - предположительно сейчас мертв
SR193 - предположительно мертв сейчас
Vasmus - предположительно мертв
Все они из российской зоны влияния.
Покажу ли я видео с рабочим устройством, чтобы привинчить некоторые российские и другие режимы?
Это не мне решать.
Честно говоря, мне все равно.
Mеня подпитываeт, ...наблюдaнe за тем, как эти парни в страхе танцуют над горячим пламенем.
Я умирал в самолете от отравления, не зная, что будет дальше ..
Сколько у меня осталось времени ..
Пусть терпят и думают, кто будет первым ..
Но кто-то первым издаст устройство, завтра или в ближайшее времяWesley
PART 1:
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
For these fallowing my thread :
Energy can be send from point A to point B using few methods.
1. using wire coated with dielectric
2 energy transfer by use of one of types of interface:
a- 2D space in sandwich made of two dielectric slabs having different dielectric properties is used
b- 2D space in sandwich made of one dielectric and one conductor
c- 2D space made from one dielectric Air, and one lossy conductor Earth.
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We will be talking about :
point 1:
1. using wire coated with dielectric
It is called with different names but it is the same:
AGoubau line or Sommerfeld-Goubau line, or G-line
Explanation:
We have two tesla coil structures with HV terminals of each assembly connected together .
Picture 1 shows basic drawing.
That wire can be regular enameled magnet wire or coated with eg. Teflon.
12V at Tx is tuned to the frequency of resonance of the structure.
Note: we are dealing with active circuit.
Wesley
one wire energy transfer based on real example.
PART 2
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
link to part1:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg552759/#msg552759 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg552759/#msg552759)
all explanation is in part 1
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link to video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaLru9prUgM
Wesley
Part 3:
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
https://newautoaa.blogspot.com/p/primary-circuit-of-ignition-system.html (https://newautoaa.blogspot.com/p/primary-circuit-of-ignition-system.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaLru9prUgM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaLru9prUgM)
for more go to part 1 and 2
Wesley
PART 4:
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPp6mROgGKkgnPpTF6CEz_jHBqmXCLTje
by:
Okki Moeljadi (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUmysvCe6TegoMUg9EgfuTQ)
list of al videos related to link from above:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPp6mROgGKkgnPpTF6CEz_jHBqmXCLTje
Wesley
PART 5:
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
by:
Okki Moeljadi (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUmysvCe6TegoMUg9EgfuTQ)
material used by experimenter:
1. Isolating transformer :
https://www.statron.de/transformatoren/ (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=www.statron.de/geraetetechnik)
picture #2
STATRON model 5315.4 ( can be any Isolating transformer)
2. Bosch blue High Energy Coil 0 221 119 027 picture#3
3. igniter box - the interruptor picture#4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=JUaEqpc69ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=JUaEqpc69ls)
I'm still working on it
PART 6:
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
Okki Moeljadi (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUmysvCe6TegoMUg9EgfuTQ)
- igniter interruptor turned to full futured HV square Wave Generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=JUaEqpc69ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=JUaEqpc69ls)
Wesley
PART 7:
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
Okki Moeljadi (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUmysvCe6TegoMUg9EgfuTQ)
Powering Laptop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc0NgSa6xJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc0NgSa6xJE)
Wesley
PART 7:
Real assembly based on real example ready to build
Okki Moeljadi
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUmysvCe6TegoMUg9EgfuTQ)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPXIUkFmKfA
Wesley (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUmysvCe6TegoMUg9EgfuTQ)
You can also do it like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAx-RSbN6bU
also we only have 1 wire and no HV! ;D
W: zobacz: https://youtu.be/zdgd8FsfkSU
(A) jest stałe pomimo obciążenia i co można o tym powiedzieć ? że do granicy obciążenia (A) ? no ale żarówka 12V z choinki ciągnie, a świetlówki nadal świecą.
..czekam na nowe TT bo tą uszkodziłem ale muszę do tego wrócić.
Wiesz jaki jest sekret tego ? otóż zasilanie z baterii ! gdy to zrobisz z zasilacza (A) skacze. Jakie wnioski ? że zasilacz jest uziemiony ? hmmm... sam nie wiem jeszcze.
Probably not best place in Wesley builders board
However I see a project being discussed in Wesley discussion board ATM.
So I post amazing breakthrough here!
https://news.fnal.gov/2020/12/fermilab-and-partners-achieve-sustained-high-fidelity-quantum-teleportation/ (https://news.fnal.gov/2020/12/fermilab-and-partners-achieve-sustained-high-fidelity-quantum-teleportation/)
String theory ....quantum physics
Some meat it seems for theory ..?
Teleportation string to string?
Btw
Happy new year Wesley
Thanks for all you do
Chet K
Thank you Ramset:
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Quantum teleportation is a process in which quantum information (e.g. the exact state of an atom or photon)
can be transmitted (exactly, in principle) from one location to another, with the help of
classical communication and previously shared quantum entanglement between the sending and receiving location
link click here
(https://medium.com/quantumcomputingnepal/quantum-teleportation-simplified-98a470b636a4#:~:text=Quantum%20teleportation%20is%20a%20process%20in%20which%20quantum,quantum%20entanglement%20between%20the%20sending%20and%20receiving%20location.)
Photons that are entangled means that even when a photon is not near its partner, affecting one photon influences the other.
link click here
(https://overunity.com/Photons%20that%20are%20entangled%20means%20that%20even%20when%20a%20photon%20is%20not%20near%20its%20partner,%20affecting%20one%20photon%20influences%20the%20other.)
An entangled system is defined to be one whose quantum state cannot be factored as a product of states of its local constituents;
that is to say, they are not individual particles but are an inseparable whole.
link click here
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_entanglement)
Quantum entanglement has been demonstrated experimentally with photons,
neutrinos, electrons, molecules as large as buckyballs, and even small diamonds.
link click here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_entanglement)
Wesley
Thank you Stivep this is a very ineresting and simple 555 circuit, will try this
I'm posting material related to ongoing study.
Some of material will "
sound weird or very weird " to the scientists.
before you judge me please read Reasoning:
Reasoning :I was long time asking Dr Hans to let me show to the public working device
in field of energy extraction from Schumann Waveguide thru ( through) the air/ earth interface.
However some collected material is in my part of the forum.
I don't support hoaxes.. stories, nor theories lacking solid basis.
But that doesn't mean that some of the material has no value at all.
Some accurate information is published here but I'm not always pointing at that what is exactly the
core of my teamwork.
Simple explanation from Dr Hans and his quote:
QuoteNobody gave me nothing for for free...
Nobody cares about me ,
People don't value "Free" or "for free.."
Once they get it I'm out of the equation.
Just typical behavior of human animals- they are lucky to be advanced mammals ...that's all.
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Part #1
non Hertzian WaveHere we have an inventor :
Alex Mashinsky (https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Alex+Mashinsky)
who made quite the number of patent applications:
One of them is related to the concept that has some similarities to Dr Corum From Vziv.
link to his other patent applications is here :
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Alex+Mashinsky (https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Alex+Mashinsky)
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The application of interest now abandoned is here :
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110156494A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110156494A1/en)
to download the original patent application with all drawings :
look at the picture and click download.
Wesley
Some of material will sound weird or very weird" to the scientists.
before you judge me please read Reasoning in post : part#1
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079
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Part #2 non Hertzian Wave
1. https://teslaheritage.com/images/goran%20dokumenti/Tesla_waves.pdf (https://teslaheritage.com/images/goran%20dokumenti/Tesla_waves.pdf)
Note: Tom (Thomas) Bearden is very much controversial and highly criticized by my friend Dr. Roy.
2.https://youtu.be/urvNXJc_6JQ?t=209 (https://youtu.be/urvNXJc_6JQ?t=209)
Note: the first few frames shows how Tesla Magnifying coil transmitter is build ( picture below)
Wesley
Some of material will sound weird or very weird" to the scientists.
before you judge me please read Reasoning in post : part#1
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079)
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Part #3 non Hertzian Wave
1. https://www.drwendywells.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Effect-of-the-Non-Hertzian-scalar-waves-in-the-immune-system-1.pdf (https://www.drwendywells.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Effect-of-the-Non-Hertzian-scalar-waves-in-the-immune-system-1.pdf)
People involved:
a- Dr Glen Rain PhD
b- Henry Karel Puharić MD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Puharich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Puharich)
(the nonsense with some sense.)
that means:
Dr Glen Rain is from Standford and that counts.
Dr Henry Karel Puharić was working with big names but he is ..... (very much in question - to be gentle )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Puharich
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Puharich)_____________________________________________________
2. THE BIOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANACE OF WATER STRUCTURED WITH NON-HERTZIAN TIME REVERSED WAVES
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/THE-BIOLOGICAL-SIGNIFICANACE-OF-WATER-STRUCTURED- (https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/THE-BIOLOGICAL-SIGNIFICANACE-OF-WATER-STRUCTURED-)
Gagnon-Rein/e43c674d65ab8c962dd7633f7dcbd1e634db146b
Note: this is a link to citation.
related picture is below.
Wesley
Some of material will sound weird or very weird" to the scientists.
before you judge me please read Reasoning in post : part#1
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079)
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Part #4 non Hertzian Wave
And now there is the core...
The Viziv from Milford Texas Dr James Corum PhD
Wireless Power Conference - 2016
http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf (http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf)
Note:
don't feel bad if you don't fallow this article ..
I was there too..
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as a second link here I'm posting:The real science of non-Hertzian waves
http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html (http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/Non-Herzian_Waves.html)
by Paul Nicholson
Wesley
Some of material will sound weird or very weird" to the scientists.
before you judge me please read Reasoning in post : part#1
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079)
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Part #4a non Hertzian Wave
this is an addition to the most important to us part #4
as a third link here I'm posting:
original link to Toby Grotz article
http://swissenschaft.ch/tesla/content/T_Library/L_Theory/AboutTesla/WIRELESS%20TRANSMISSION%20OF%20POWER.pdf (http://swissenschaft.ch/tesla/content/T_Library/L_Theory/AboutTesla/WIRELESS%20TRANSMISSION%20OF%20POWER.pdf)Note: This paper explains what phrase
non-Hertzian waves come from and why we can use it.
Quotephrase "used" by . Nikola Tesla
Many researchers have speculated on the meaning of the phrase "non-Hertzian waves" as used by Dr. Nikola Tesla.
[Actually, Tesla did not use this term. ed.]
Dr. Tesla first began to use this term in the mid 1890's in order to explain his proposed system
for the wireless transmission of electrical power.
In fact, it was not until the distinction between the method that Heinrich Hertz
was using and the system Dr. Tesla had designed, that
Dr. Tesla was able to receive the endorsement of the renowned physicist, Lord Kelvin.1
and here is link to more modern version of the article with minor changes to the original but with a lot of addition.
http://www.teslaradio.com/pages/resonating.htm#:~:text=Wireless%20Transmission%20of%20Power%20Resonating%20Planet%20Earth%20Tesla%27s,the%20first%20cyclotron%20%281931%29.%20WIRELESS%20TRANSMISSION%20OF%20POWER (http://www.teslaradio.com/pages/resonating.htm#:~:text=Wireless%20Transmission%20of%20Power%20Resonating%20Planet%20Earth%20Tesla%27s,the%20first%20cyclotron%20%281931%29.%20WIRELESS%20TRANSMISSION%20OF%20POWER)
Wesley
Wesley,
I been reading your posts for some time and is obvious that you know the principle of FE device.
It is mystery why you keep holding it after all this time,.
You been there and saw Kapanadze simple yet effective device,
and still you choose to follow devices like Zenneck,
which are not even similar to Kapanadze simple and small electronics,
You rather choose Zeneck towers and huge installations,
after you saw small kilowatt Kapandaze monster.
I Just wonder why that is?
The time is passing like sand slipping through our fingers and can not be reversed.
Is it worth?
Kapanadze died, and no one will remember him in few years.
He could change the world, but he choose not to!
And because of that he is nobody, only few of us will remember him.
Nobody! Null.
Maybe you right, Lets build huge Zenneck towers after we saw shoe box Kapanadze kilowatt device.
But you time is passing just like mine and others.
How young are you, or old?
I am not in FE as much as in genetics.
FE is interesting.
Enjoy your time and best luck.
I still have plenty of time, while you don't.
So, the time must be precious to you.
Or it will be soon.
Part 1: answers to the questions:
in chronological order where goal is to fallow the logical path
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I will address your questions but let me go wider than that
as first there is a need to understand it so we can talk at some common level ..
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Device of Tariel Kapanadze is in its concept the Dr Corum device or Energy extraction device of mine.
but Device of Tariel Kapanadze is in more sophisticated and advanced form, and it acts only as a receiver of the energy.
I'm not yet at this level of miniaturization yet But it is fairly small.
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Some answers to the questions:
What is energy?Answer: Energy, in physics, the capacity for doing work. It may exist in potential, kinetic, thermal, electrical, chemical, nuclear, or various other forms.
https://www.britannica.com/science/energy (https://www.britannica.com/science/energy)
What energy comes from?Answer: in our case : The energy comes from Schumann waveguide in form of Zenneck Wave at Brewster angle .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances)
What is Schumann Waveguide ?Answer:QuoteEarth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide. The limited dimensions of the Earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves in the ELF band. The cavity is naturally excited by electric currents in lightning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances)
What form energy in Schumann waveguide comes from into interface.?Answer: QuoteThe cavity is naturally excited by electric currents in lightning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
Probability of lightning energy in form of EM wave to hit at Brewster angle is directly related to level of measured energy of Zenneck Wave in the interface.
What is probability?Answer: Quotethe extent to which something is probable; the likelihood of something happening or being the case.
and in our case the probability of energy of lightning in form of EM wave
entering the interface at Brewster Angle .
example: just Canada by itself averages over 2 million
lightning strikes are
each year.
What is the interface ?Answer: in simple language :
the interface is the space between two different materials having different dielectric constant.
more complicated answer:
electromagnetic wave in transverse magnetic
mode and graded
interface is using exponential permeability and permittivity profile for high frequency RF.
Examples of the interface :
1. 2D space between Air as dielectric and Earth ans lossy conducting medium
2. 2D space between two dielectrics having different dielectric properties.
3. 2D space between dielectric and conducting medium such copper , aluminum etc.
more is here :
https://courses.cit.cornell.edu/ece303/Lectures/lecture19.pdf (https://courses.cit.cornell.edu/ece303/Lectures/lecture19.pdf)
but physics of it applies to any and every frequency with some changes due to property of wave at given frequency
4. What is Brewster Angle and why we talking about it?
Answer:QuoteBrewster's angle (also known as the polarization angle) is an angle of incidence at which light with a particular
polarization is perfectly transmitted through a transparent dielectric surface, with no reflection.
/quote]But we are looking at situation where there is no reflection and no refraction and EM wave is in TM mode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster%27s_angle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster%27s_angle)
What is TM mode?
Answer:
QuoteEnergy can propagate through a medium or through what is currently believed to be a vacuum.
Propagation modes vary depending upon the type of energy and the nature of the medium.
TM mode and other modes:
https://www.testandmeasurementtips.com/basics-of-tem-te-and-tm-propagation/ (https://www.testandmeasurementtips.com/basics-of-tem-te-and-tm-propagation/)
EM energy can become self-polarized because it hots interface at Brewster Angle and propagation in the interface is possible
in form of Zenneck wave for Low Frequencies or ( we use different name for the same phenomena where we use phrase:
Polariton )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polariton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polariton)
or
surface plasmon polariton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=1336s
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=1336s)
What is Zenneck Wave :QuoteThe Zenneck wave, Zenneck surface wave or Sommerfeld-Zenneck surface wave is a longitudinal, inhomogeneous or non-uniform electromagnetic plane wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_wave) incident at the complex Brewster's angle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster%27s_angle) onto a planar or spherical boundary interface between two homogeneous media having different dielectric constants.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-Goubau_1951-3)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-Barlow-Brown_1962a-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-Collin_2004-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-Corum-Miller-Corum_2016-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-Corum-Corum_Bell_2016-7)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave)
Well I have some problems with that explanation or to say... more than some ....
Will Inverse-square law apply?Answer:
The answer is Yes but it works different in the interface (2D space)
And distance to energy deposited in the interface is also in probability equation as that energy may be deposited few yards from your
house too due to lightning activity in your area. also at higher harmonics of Schumann Resonance it works much different than some of us may think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law)
Wesley
the full text of question of AreYouSure? is in his post.
Here you see short form of it.Quote from: AreYouSure? on April 24, 2021, 07:15:06 PM
Wesley,
I been reading your posts for some time and is obvious that you know the principle of FE device.
It is mystery why you keep holding it after all this time,.
You rather choose Zenneck towers and huge installations,
after you saw small kilowatt Kapandaze monster.
1. Dr Corum tower is big because the goal is to get more power out for
Tx and Power in for
Rx.
Tariel Kapanadze device is
Rx( Receiver )only
The device for 6kW/
h knowing that you in average need only 6kw
/day can be as small as your stationary computer .
__________________________2. I made device that didn't work in my place, but I had big critics of mine Dr Hans , Dr Roy complaining about me going in wrong direction.
But "wrong direction" is very delicate way to describe their opinion.
Dr Roy is still opposing and I love it.. He keeps my sanity in right level :) hee.
Dr Hans decided to prove to me that I'm totally wrong and he made it work ...
So I'm only the builder of the device to be honest.
I was not smart enough to see what I did wrong.
So now all credits don't belong to me and device is performing as expected.
3. I'm not fan of overpopulation that was calculated by few mathematicians from local University
to start already 18 years from now if FE is delivered to masses.
But my friend he can come out with it at any time.
4. I'm not the smartest person on the earth and there are plenty of people around who not give a damn about future of
humanity. this is not something that is difficult or complicated if Tariel Kapanadze was able to do it.
5. I'm life minimalist who likes science and physics and people don't learn if they don't have need/ are not pushed /required - to know.
I don't see benefit - when some people rather prefer dancing lambada while eating burrito - and they know how to read at some level
as more than that is not required to have nice live at satisfying them level.
Slogan "I don't give a damn" about education , supporting family and making money as life is easy now and energy is for free should not
dominate ... The shortage of food for entire overpopulation and trashing our resurses is really not what I want to see.
Chinese are allowed to have second and third child now and your newborn will be only 18 if calculation is correct.
6. Will I ever go out with it...
The answer is yes.... I'm emotional creature who may just one day say "enough is enough"
But I prefer if it was not me.. anyone can do it... Wesley
PS: last picture shows phasing coils corresponding with pictures from right above it.
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ)
The wiring in the device was modified many times.
The actual wiring inside , in final version - ( picture of the closed box) is not published.
But this is already a lot ..of that what experimenter need.
Transmitter can serve as a receiver and reverse.
Both of the structures look similar
So Receiver is no exemption here.
In version Kapanadze you don't need any transmitter .
As you see there is nothing in the device... and that is why Tariel was hiding it.
However his device is much more advanced than mine.
stivep
Quote3. I'm not fan of overpopulation that was calculated by few mathematicians from local University
to start already 18 years from now if FE is delivered to masses.
Yes, most people can't see that a happy mankind makes a populous mankind! FE will make it a populous mankind. It's a true conundrum! Free, clean energy sounds great on the surface, but those of us that can see, know that it is not. But nothing is stopping anyone with an interest in FE from building it themselves. ALL of the info one needs is already online.
👍👍👍👍👍
I agree .
Thank You my friend
Wesley
Hi Wesley!
I got me cories now after a read few of your posts about the latest toys you have.
Guess you don't need a 10k to construct it so maybe I will try. But well there is always "but", right!
In you post you are mentioning different frequency's, from 6m to 160m or a bit lower if you want to use open IC rig,
which is affordable now. On other hand you suggest to go even lower for the best result.
In that case you don't need the rig but just FG and some mosfet, like the one on the photos.
Can you suggest which configuration to use now, in real world. I know you can use and frequency you want,
but let's leave theory for now. One more thing if you can please enlighten me, if I start with 100w rf
output, and I neglect all the losses till radiating, what can be expected on the rx side or lets say many rx rigs.
Thanks in advance for your time answering my strange questions.
73
Repeating some knowledge:
1. energy can be transferred from point A to point B using interface.
2. point A and B can be more than twenty two meters apart ( 22m if Frequency is 1.8MHz)
3. interface is the 2D space between:
a. conducting medium and dielectric
b. dielectric and another dielectric having different dielectric properties.
c. Earth as lossy conducting medium and air as dielectric forms an interface.
d. surface of water/ or salt water, is a lossy conductive medium and air above a is dielectric.
d. each interface has its "favored" frequency rage where it works for us the best.
Wesley
Testing A to B energy transfer:
-it is simply transmitting by Tx EM wave that enters interface with no reflection and refraction
and is received at the distance AB by Receiver Rx.
Suggested new places to make experiment:My friends in science suggested to :
1. set Tx and Rx in sport gymnastic or tennis field/building, having flexible covering floor
- Tx is placed from one side of the field and Rx is on the other.
Most if not all of floor carpeting there is done with :
A standard 42' x 42' gymnastics competition floor is made up of standard sections/rolls.
e.g: crosslinked polyethylene foam
Values of dielectric constant for PET fibres with electric field perpendicular to the fibre axis were 3.58 at 1 kHz and 3.36 at 10 kHz.
is here:polyethylene+dielectric+constant
(https://www.bing.com/search?q=polyethylene+dielectric+constant&qs=UT&pq=polyethylene+dielectric&sc=4-23&cvid=7AD0215B285441AF9C6B5B1755F3EB71&FORM=QBRE&sp=1)from article here : determining%20dielectric%20constant,
(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0014305779900752#:~:text=The%20method%20of%20mixtures%20for%20determining%20dielectric%20constant,at%201%20kHz%20and%203.36%20at%2010%20kHz.)Testing at 10kHz is cheep and simple using regular audio amplifiers, the Tesla coil size is a challenge.
unless you use instead of it you use miniature copy of it at 1/64 Y or so.
So if our interface is made from dielectric and air as another dielectric
we can use much much higher frequencies e.g from 144MHz o- 1.8MHz
The reason of using such field:
just because is flat and allows you to experience my team phenomena
before educated experimenter attempts to receive energy from Schumann waveguide using he same interface.
Wesley
Quote from: mrzlica on May 18, 2021, 09:08:23 AM
Hi Wesley!
I got me cories correction - cores now after a read few of your posts about the latest toys you have.
Guess you don't need a 10k to construct it so maybe I will try. But well there is always "but", right!
In you post you are mentioning different frequency's, from 6m to 160m or a bit lower if you want to use open IC rig, which is affordable now.
On other hand you suggest to go even lower for the best result.
In that case you don't need the rig but just FG and some mosfet, like the one on the photos.
Can you suggest which configuration to use now, in real world. I know you can use and frequency you want,
but let's leave theory for now. One more thing if you can please enlighten me, if I start with 100w rf output, and
I neglect all the losses till radiating, what can be expected on the rx side or lets say many rx rigs.
Thanks in advance for your time answering my strange questions.
73
good question if we are talking about A to B energy transfer:
-the 6m to 160m was used by Dr Corum.
If you use for testing and learning instead of standard interface earth/air the conductive medium - the
coated with dielectric wire
than you can use much higher f 144MHz/440MHz based on Goubau/Sommerfiedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line)
https://dailydialectics.com/sommerfeldgoubau/SommerfeldGoubau (https://dailydialectics.com/sommerfeldgoubau/SommerfeldGoubau)
https://dailydialectics.com/index (https://dailydialectics.com/index) .
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170237497A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170237497A1/en) -frequencies of light
the good of it is that it is going to take you from 10 minutes to 1h to have test done
some additional material:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBc4J3KN6Xo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBc4J3KN6Xo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sweXFKSXMxo&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sweXFKSXMxo&t=1s)
Note : regular EM wave doesn't have longitudinal properties !!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByMWD6zCQP0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByMWD6zCQP0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMX8Lcu7X2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMX8Lcu7X2o)https://youtu.be/wIIABIU3tRw?t=520
(https://youtu.be/wIIABIU3tRw?t=520)I will respond with more in lunch time. I'm in the test site now.
.. / .-- .. ... .... / -.-- --- ..- / .- .-.. .-.. / - .... . / -... . ... - / -- -.-- / ..-. .-. .. . -. -..
Wesley
copy of my comment:https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/msg557841/#msg557841 (https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/msg557841/#msg557841) Historical perspective of Zenneck Wave:1. Tesla got money from J.P Morgan to build the tower around 1902.
2. around 1917 the deal was over due to ban made by J.P Morgan as he didn't see
means of controlling the energy from Tesla Tower. attempt-demolish-teslas-wardenclyffe-tower
(https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/images/first-attempt-demolish-teslas-wardenclyffe-tower#:~:text=In%201917%2C%20Tesla%20still%20hadn%27t%20raised%20the%20money,of%20German%20spies%20using%20it%20as%20a%20landmark.)
3. F. Harms
[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line#cite_note-Harms-5) in 1907 and George J. E. Goubau
[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line#cite_note-Goubau-6) in 1950 introduces Goubau line that is the proof of the cylindrical interface made from conductive medium
wire and dielectric coating.
(Sommerfeld–
Goubau line, or G-line)
that makes 2D interface as shape of interface is not so much important.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line)
4. In 1914 Marconi went to
Bolinas Califirnia to build all over the earth energy transfer and communication facility marconi_centennial. (https://www.nps.gov/pore/planyourvisit/events_marconi_centennial.htm#:~:text=Guglielmo%20Marconi%20%281874-1937%29%2C%20inventor%20of%20wireless%20radio%2C%20constructed,and%20commercial%20maritime%20radio%20services%20continued%20until%201997.)
In 1919 the project was dead due to RCA created by US government first spying on his than by court order closing the facility
Quote
>QuoteQuoteIt was taken over by RCA after World War I
.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi-RCA_Bolinas_Transmitting_Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi-RCA_Bolinas_Transmitting_Station)
4a. because of that Marconi sued US government for illegal use of his technology in WW1 .
Guglielmo Marconi · Died Jul. 20, 1937 but his family continued to sue.
To end this problem US government revoked rights to Patent of Marconi technology and resigned the rights to Nicola Tesla 7 January 1943
who was dead at that time, and he didn't have any children. So USA didn't have to pay to anyone any money.
5. 1936 by Dr. C.R.Burrows there was Seneca Lake experiment
http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf (http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf)
He stated that he found error in Dr Zenneck calculation and that placed into hibernation Zenneck wave till 1955
where military started to experiment with it again as something was wrong with Dr Burrows claims.
6. In 1952 Winfried Otto Schumann (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfried_Otto_Schumann) who predicted it mathematically Schumann resonances that are now officially recognized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances)
-that is important from perspective of energy extraction .
7. in 1986 Dr Corum filed the patent about Energy Extraction from Schumann Waveguide.
Quote>QuoteL. Corum. 1986. 24 pp. Illustrated. Critical Speculations Concerning Tesla's Invention and Applications of Single Electrode
X-Ray Directed Discharges for Power Processing and Terrestrial Resonances
, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Archive_3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Archive_3)
http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/381tele.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/381tele.htm)
the Dr James Corum patent was :
Filed: July 23, 1986 Date of Patent: June 14, 1988 Inventor: James F. Corum
Electromagnetic structure and method (https://patents.justia.com/patent/4751515) Patent number: 4751515
This began to be the base for my work.
8. In 2007 Dr Corum filed provisional patent application that started all of later events.
Electric Power Storage (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20080186646) Application of Power Multiplication to Electric Power Distribution (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20080185916)
Patent number: 7969042
Patent number: 7808124
Publication number: 20080185916
Patent number: 8629734 ( 2005)
8a.In 2009 he got
Multiply-connected power processing (https://patents.justia.com/patent/8310093) Patent number: 8310093
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9. The key to activate big money was:
EXCITATION AND USE OF GUIDED SURFACE WAVE MODES ON LOSSY MEDIA (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20140252865)
Publication number: 20140252865
Quote>QuoteAbstract: Disclosed are various embodiments systems and methods for transmission and reception
of electrical energy along a surface of a terrestrial medium.
A polyphase waveguide probe that transmits electrical energy in the form of a
guided surface wave along a surface of a terrestrial medium.
A receive circuit is used to receive the electrical energy
.
Type: Application Filed: March 7, 2013 Publication date: September 11, 2014
Inventors: James F. Corum, Kenneth L. Corum
Dr Corum introduces means of energy distribution with use of Zenneck Wave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave)
Recently in 2020, it was demonstrated by Oruganti et. al, that it was possible to excite Zenneck wave type waves
on flat metal-air interfaces and transmit power across metal obstacles.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-9) [10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave#cite_note-10)
10.In 2013 we have Senecka experiment one more time but now
it is Dr Corum disproving Dr Borrow Seneca lake Experiment from 1933.
Parametric power multiplication (https://patents.justia.com/patent/9118216) Patent number: 9118216
Abstract: In various embodiments, power multipliers and associated methods are provided
that employ parametric excitation.
In one embodiment, a ring power multiplier is provided that has a ring. A parametric reactance is associated with the ring that negates
at least a portion of a physical resistance of the ring.
Type: Grant Filed: February 2, 2007 Date of Patent: August 25, 2015
Assignee: CPG Technologies, LLC Inventor: James F. Corum
_____________________________________________
Practical guiding patents - "how to do it"
(the guided surface waveguide probe site and the preparation)
11.SITE PREPARATION FOR GUIDED SURFACE WAVE TRANSMISSION IN A LOSSY MEDIA (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079644)
Publication number: 20160079644 Type: Application Filed: September 9, 2015
Publication date: March 17, 2016
12.GEOLOCATION WITH GUIDED SURFACE WAVES (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160077201) Publication number: 20160077201
Quote>Quotefixing a navigational position using guided surface waves launched from guided surface wave waveguide
probes at various ground stations
.
It was a method that could be used for spying and locating vehicles, people etc.
using the same technique.
GUIDED SURFACE WAVE POWERED SENSING DEVICES (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160080034)
Publication number: 20160080034 Type: Application
Filed: September 8, 2015 Publication date: March 17, 2016
13.SIMULTANEOUS MULTIFREQUENCY RECEIVE CIRCUITS
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079753) SUBSURFACE SENSING USING GUIDED SURFACE WAVE MODES ON LOSSY MEDIA
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160077055) REMOTE SURFACE SENSING USING GUIDED SURFACE WAVE MODES ON LOSSY MEDIA
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160077203) SUPERPOSITION OF GUIDED SURFACE WAVES ON LOSSY MEDIA
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079645) ADAPTATION OF POLYPHASE WAVEGUIDE PROBES
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079754) CHEMICALLY ENHANCED ISOLATED CAPACITANCE
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079768) MODULATED GUIDED SURFACE WAVES (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079643) - military, internet, telephony, communication
VARIABLE FREQUENCY RECEIVERS FOR GUIDED SURFACE WAVE TRANSMISSIONS (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079809)__________________________
Guided Surface Wave Transmission of Multiple Frequencies in a Lossy Media (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079769)
14.Hierarchical Power Distribution
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079770) FREQUENCY DIVISION MULTIPLEXING FOR WIRELESS POWER PROVIDERS (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160079771)
SIMULTANEOUS TRANSMISSION AND RECEPTION OF GUIDED SURFACE WAVES (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20160111890)
Multiply-connected power processing
(https://patents.justia.com/patent/9407095) the list can go on and on..
the link to his patents is here:
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/james-f-corum?page=10 (https://patents.justia.com/inventor/james-f-corum?page=10)
]_____________________________________________________
15. The build Tesla tower
Late in 2018, Viziv Technologies (formerly Texzon) completed a tower off of I-35 near Milford, Texas.
This was a land and structure but prior to that Dr Corum had another test field
https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/civil/whats-really-going-on-at-tesla-tower.htm (https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/civil/whats-really-going-on-at-tesla-tower.htm)
16. In 2019 in the symposium It was announcement that Viziv will start to deliver energy in 1 year !!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFiW2lqdnlM&t=580s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFiW2lqdnlM&t=580s)
from:Jan 3, 2019
17. Big guys oil/ energy/ copper industry/ wood industry( electrical posts) and big money start to be very much in discomfort.
18. August 16, 2018, » I started to experiment with it in South of America
19. From that time there was a lot of push on Dr Corum ( I can't publish the details !!!!!)
________________________________________________________
20. Bankruptcy of Viziv where beneficiary is "holly man" - the priest.
Conclusions:
Dr Corum like me wanted to realize his dreams.
But my own dreams don't have ambitions of Dr Corum.
He never touched single dime from the money of anyone. and he did it on purpose !!!!
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/569076/is-vizivs-surface-wave-technology-plausible (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/569076/is-vizivs-surface-wave-technology-plausible)
The team of directors of Viziv had former US army generals and other big figures.
https://vizivtechnologies.com/about/team/ (https://vizivtechnologies.com/about/team/)
Did you ever ask yourself why the holly priest is the successor and the owner of Viziv?
now compare it to:
-9/11
- Marconi wiped by RCA in 1919 when he was stopped with his Bolinas California energy transfer.
- Nikola Tesla Tower in demolished in 1917. He was finished before that by J. p Morgan
- 1936 Dr Borrow findings that Zenneck Wave that is officially part of physics now is "not working"
But we have now me and plenty of others with even more difficult to swallow Energy extraction from Schumann waveguide
based on all of the previous science and Dr James Corum patents.
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Legal note : opinion expressed is my own according to constitution of USA
Wesley
to point 4.+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi_Wireless_Telegraph_Company_of_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi_Wireless_Telegraph_Company_of_America)
During World War One the United States government assumed control of the radio industry.
After the war government officials balked at returning the American Marconi stations to the original owners, distrusting
British control of radio communication due to national security concerns. Lead by the U.S. Navy, the government
pressured the Marconi companies to transfer American Marconi to a U.S. owner. The American Marconi
assets were purchased by General Electric (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric) in 1919, which provided the foundation for creating its new subsidiary,
the Radio Corporation of America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA).
Over the total ( US american ) radio industry,not only Marconi WTCA !
Patent rights were,are,will be often revoked :
patent court decision or by individual estates their decision cause war-state/laws or company bankruptcy !
So. 4.a after normal patent time validation period the US action is more to see as "academical action",commercially unimportant/worthless !
#242 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi%27s_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi%27s_law)
about WPT and power source :
Reading https://patents.justia.com/patent/4751515 (https://patents.justia.com/patent/4751515)
( " small " ::) : While the embodiment of the structure is physically large, perhaps 10 to 20 miles across,
it still occupies less than four percent of the area of the Project Sanguine/Seafarer antenna which is supposed to operate at a frequency ten times higher. )
and https://patents.justia.com/patent/20140252865 (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20140252865) the source frequency range
this could be a trial worth , as source
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en)
but actually all this half-backed
outlook 2018 (included Viziv ) https://www.lead-innovation.com/english-blog/death-of-the-power-cable (https://www.lead-innovation.com/english-blog/death-of-the-power-cable) ( ;) my favorite : Nano-Boxx )
https://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/2018/11/innovative-electric-power-sources-for-a-sustainable-future-.html#:~:text=Developed%20by%20Birmingham%20Technologies%20the,collect%20on%20the%20other%20plate (https://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/2018/11/innovative-electric-power-sources-for-a-sustainable-future-.html#:~:text=Developed%20by%20Birmingham%20Technologies%20the,collect%20on%20the%20other%20plate).
It can produce power for about eleven years without charging. :)
https://geospatial.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83476d35153ef022ad3c0d118200b-popup (https://geospatial.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83476d35153ef022ad3c0d118200b-popup)
priority ?
but finally : death-of-the-power-cable and birth-of-the-aetheric-power
where beneficiary is "holly man" - the priest. holly = Stechpalme =
http://t2.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCt1uHqukRq_7myZrfKHpqkw70NYcmJe3Thg5IKIm9fAkvem40bmPUcw9zJC1S3Yq2wOtoxC-QKGwm1AQbmbU (http://t2.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCt1uHqukRq_7myZrfKHpqkw70NYcmJe3Thg5IKIm9fAkvem40bmPUcw9zJC1S3Yq2wOtoxC-QKGwm1AQbmbU)
better to be jolly than to be holly ::)
https://www.lead-innovation.com/english-blog/death-of-the-power-cable (https://www.lead-innovation.com/english-blog/death-of-the-power-cable)
QuoteSome how they made a complex Brewster angle by playing with the phase between the vertical and horizontal parts of
the local RF fields. This created an infinite plane. I hope some day they publish what is behind all the patents.
They did not mention anything about Schumann resonance or the ionosphere.
They claimed they created a one sided wave guide
.
Lets take look at first part of the sentence of eyewitness of Corum presentation:
QuoteSome how they made a complex Brewster angle by playing with the phase between the vertical and horizontal parts of
the local RF fields. This created an infinite plane.
Vertical and horizontal components of Electromagnetic wave are Electric field and magnetic field.
Infinite plane wave -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_wave looks like that.
George the author of article has some problems with accurate assigning the phenomena to chosen by him descriptors .
That what he names with word "somehow "- is for me perfectly factual .
QuoteThey did not mention anything about Schumann resonance or the ionosphere.
Yes correct , they are in business and they not suppose to mention it.
Despite if they knew about it or not it is good , because now it can't be patented.
I made it laud enough
it is to late
Wesley
1400 square-miles,China,WEM : less than 200 Mio US$ value (in Yuan) costs/investment ?
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/01/china-has-radio-antenna-to-talk-to-submarines-and-it-covers-five-times-area-of-ny-city.html (https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/01/china-has-radio-antenna-to-talk-to-submarines-and-it-covers-five-times-area-of-ny-city.html)
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/india-to-be-second-country-to-use-elf-facility/article18517424.ece (https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/india-to-be-second-country-to-use-elf-facility/article18517424.ece) 2017 !
https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10177403 (https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10177403)
Hence, while the static magnet consumes no power, we estimate that even a tightly-packed copper loop will consume > 4 kW. Superconducting coils would eliminate the power dissipation problem, but modulating their persistent current in order to transmit data would then become highly challenging
I see here the advantage use/apply from Dr.Imris his strong Tesla-electric magnets
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102008032666&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102008032666&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
[0024]
According to the invention, the windings are not induction coils and therefore the change in magnetic flux does not induce an opposing voltage, i. i.e. the coils have no inductance.
This physical novelty has an enormous technical and economic advantage in all of electrical engineering.
Fast and pulse-like reacting electromagnets have special applications not only in modern technology, but also in research.
Tests have been carried out again and again with the aim of generating extremely strong magnetic fields between 100 and 300 Tesla.
[0068]
[0025]
According to the prior art, it is not possible to generate such a strong magnetic field.
The known coils generate magnetic field pulses, the duration of which is between 50 and 100 ms.
The maximum field strength is between 80 and 100 Tesla.
The known coils are operated at 20 kA to 27 kA and that with millions of ampere-turns.
If capacitive windings according to the invention are used for such a test, then only 3 kA with 3,000 turns are required to generate the 100 Tesla pulse.
With windings according to the invention one generates pulses of up to 300 Tesla with a pulse duration of less than 50 ms.
But by Viziv and similar technologies we have to differ the use from wireless transmission "power" :
power as electric energy for consumer
power as signal and information carrier
The most important what is the must to know about Tesla coil:
The most common problem for Tesla coil builders is how to measure
- the frequency response of Tesla coil. ( resonance frequency of Tesla coil assembly.)
Let's clarify what is what here:
1. Tesla coil is air transformer. tesla-coil-handbook (https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/books/tesla-coil-handbook-introduction-theory-design-and-construction-air-core#:~:text=A%20Tesla%20coil%20is%20a%20resonating%20air-core%20transformer,50%2C000%20VAC%20%28Volts%20AC%29%20to%20millions%20of%20VAC%21)
2. Tesla coil is a resonating air-core transformer so it must be tuned to desired resonating frequency
as every transformer Tesla Coil has ratio between primary and secondary winding.
primary is usually few winds
secondary is usually from 500 to 4000 winds
e.g : If primary winding is 1 wind and secondary is 1000 winds than
ratio between primary and secondary is 1: 1000 and if voltage delivered to primary is 1V than Voltage at secondary is 1000V
3. Tesla coil is an antenna
4. top capacitor is lowering frequency of Tesla coil significantly
5. the top capacitor acts as one capacitive plate of the capacitor and the other plate is:
-the Earth or counterpoise
-or anything that is conductive at the lower part( the bottom) of secondary of Tesla coil. (HV coil)
6. Tesla coil in its original version is made from two components:
- primary Tesla coil
- secondary Tesla coil
note: sometime this configuration is slightly different like in the pictures below.
If we decide to use Tesla coil as a Tx ( transmitter) than it will transmit energy similarly to any antenna
example : if we need to connect signal generator to the primary with 1V OUT and with ratio 1:1000, than we will have Voltage at secondary 1000V
If we decide to use Tesla coil as a Rx antenna than it will work the same way as a Tx antenna but it will now sense the signal.
let's say now that our Tesla coil works in reverse mode.
If our 1000 winds HV coil acts as a receiving antenna and our ratio 1000:1
than our signal Voltage will be 1000 times lower at our 1 wind coil.
despite of what we intended to do with Tesla coil we can find what is the frequency of resonance of Tesla coil with or without Top Capacitor.
By lowering and lifting up top Capacitor we are changing frequency of resonance of Tesla coil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF6WdTM8s4U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF6WdTM8s4U)
How to Measure the Resonant Frequency of your Secondary Coil
Wesley
look at post from last page :
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg558196/#msg558196 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg558196/#msg558196)
this is some of the additional literature that may or may not be easy or pleasant
way to understand the tuning and measuring of frequency of Tesla Coil
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJr-oUYYDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJr-oUYYDA)
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euy2U92I8e4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euy2U92I8e4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euy2U92I8e4)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJnrewAUkmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJnrewAUkmI)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egDmVZ3FXP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egDmVZ3FXP4)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XXRoj4jIMc
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XXRoj4jIMc)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJr-oUYYDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJr-oUYYDA)
Tesla Coil Wireless Energy and Resonance Demonstration
this is a beauty !!!
Please watch it
Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6o0s_0fKVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6o0s_0fKVY)
Finding Loop antenna resonant frequency.
This video shows how you can find resonance frequency of unknown coil or verify if desired frequency of coil you made is correct.
It also shows how to make changes to the coil to adjust frequency of the coil.
How capacitor connected to the coil changes resonant frequency of the circuit.
However it is important to know what is the difference between series and parallel resonant circuit
Wesley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9) GENERALIST
Successfull research results wishing ! Theorie der sub-harmonischen ..... ,but really : not only. !
An Ex-Docent/Professor as inventor ,applied "Generalism"
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=EP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=0049214&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=EP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=0049214&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3031780&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3031780&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
According to our own, unpublished studies, this predominance, in pulse mode, must fluctuate between the states: "Parametric resonance excitation of a vibrational and self-exciting oscillating system of molecules and" harmonic-resonatory forced excitation of a parameter-excited, intrinsic and self-excited oscillating system of molecules ".
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3021154&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3021154&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
"Vibrations" by Professor Kurt Magnus, Munich, 1969 ( archive.org lecture ?)
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2317724&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2317724&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
other archive.org search books offered by Prof. Popescu :
There are theoretical explanations for this in the book by Prof.
[0019]
H. Kauderer: "Nonlinear Mechanics", Springer 1958, pp. 575-580, chap.
Parameter-excited vibrations, Abßc c) vibrations due to oscillating inertia in the book by Prof.
K. Magnus: "Vibrations", Teubner, 1969, So 127-150, chap.
4. Parameter-excited vibrations and p. 207 - 225 (of which above all 5,460-Forced vibrations in self-exciting systems and from Chap. 6. Coupling vibrations especially 6.14.
[0020]
The gravity pendulum with elastic thread, 6.15.
Forced oscillations of a coupling oscillator and 6016. The influence of damping) and in the book by Prof. H. Margenau ~ and G0 M.
[0021]
Murphy: "The mathematics for physics and chemistry, Vol. II, Verlag H. Deutsch, Frankfurt / M., 1967, pp. 420-437, in particular the title 6.26.
Subharmonic resonance, 6.27.
[0022]
Parametric excitation and 6031.
Non-analytical non-linearities.
I think that also Nicola Tesla applied "Generalism"( over-looking his oeuvre),without its use consequence experience and knowledge !
Or concern !
Geo-/Bio/humano-ambiental/atmospherical !
in original : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gl%C3%A4serner_Mensch_(Datenschutz)#:~:text=Die%20Bezeichnung
%20Gl%C3%A4serner%20Mensch%20wird,durch%20einen%20%C3%BCberwachenden%20Staat%20steht (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gl%C3%A4serner_Mensch_(Datenschutz)#:~:text=Die%20Bezeichnung%20Gl%C3%A4serner%20Mensch%20wird,durch%20einen%20%C3%BCberwachenden%20Staat%20steht).
with or without : DATENSCHUTZ INTIMITAETSSCHUTZ PRIVATSPAHERESCHUTZ
Mensch und all Anderes NIEMAND/NICHTS to be able to solve any problem NULLUM NON PROBLEMA SOLVERE
Sincere
OCWL
Lightning-made Waves in Earth's Atmosphere Leak Into Space
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/lightning-waves.html
Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRHGAf5b7Y
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=9222125
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/8807104
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/bullshit-texzon-wireless-power/275/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57554-1
Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs9noHb-Kao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFTlzr__yJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeENAW7w7QE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRsFVWJXpDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyV_qYKNLJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq-_2od7gW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mEhi9OFI3w
please also look at links from post right above
Wesley :)
This is a single wire transmission done 100 years ago.
Instead of a wire, there is a thin aluminum foil.
We still know the radiant today and no wire or grounding is needed.
Both provide electricity but differ significantly in terms of transmission.
Nothing else great here yet. Maybe I'm wrong to correct me.
wireless IR transmitter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_control (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_control)
first invented in year ?
wireless seems this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Flash-matic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Flash-matic)
followed by Zenith Space Command https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180830-the-history-of-the-television-remote-contro (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180830-the-history-of-the-television-remote-contro)
N-IR or F-IR or INFRA-/ULTRA SOUND wave spectrum radiation ?
Walkie-Talkie : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkie-talkie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkie-talkie) sending and receiving
https://phys.org/news/2007-03-harnessing-frequencies-infrared-faster-wireless.h (https://phys.org/news/2007-03-harnessing-frequencies-infrared-faster-wireless.html)
https://phys.org/news/2010-02-high-performance-microring-resonator-inrs.html (https://phys.org/news/2010-02-high-performance-microring-resonator-inrs.html)
wmbr
OCWL
https://benner-boswell.com/floraphone (https://benner-boswell.com/floraphone)
The radio spectrum can also be understood as a common resource. In the Bogota Declaration of 1976 equatorial countries
claimed their sovereignty to be three dimensional and recognized geostationary orbit as a valuable resource.
The Declaration proposes extending localized agency over electromagnetic resources into outer space.
It was rejected by the United Nations because it would have severely limited powerful countries' access to fixed orbit,
particularly in the global north where the technology was being most aggressively developed.
The global north did not have the appetite to contend with the equatorial countries' regulation of
space and did not want to give them autonomy over the resource. However, by claiming three
dimensional sovereignty, the equatorial countries create a framework to understand invisible forces as a common resource.
While the equatorial countries are proposing regulation of geostationary orbit, they are doing so to protect themselves from
exploitation by wealthier nations, to avoid a tragedy of the commons. The Declaration converts invisible forces, like radio
waves, into a resource that can be protected and shared or neglected and exploited.
Who ownes ,by law,the right - 3/4 dimensional . non/tributive,to ab-/use territorial space ?
wireless telecommunication/energy transmission question !
Sincere
OCWL
In this link I specified why I decided to create step by step manual for :
How to build the device of Energy transfer and Energy extraction
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559493/#msg559493 (https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559493/#msg559493)
the text is in both Russian and English
the next link starts explanation:
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559508/#msg559508 (https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559508/#msg559508)
Wesley
This set of writing is not politically motivated
However it is done in
10th anniversary of the day when me and Tariel Kapanadze
- we met and traveled together from Prague Czechia to Tbilisi Georgia Europe.
I have now the two sections dedicated to English and Eastern European audience.
-In Russian language section I will try to make that what is the most important for experimenters to be also in English.
-Both sections will share links so any audience can get to the most interesting material.
-In English section I will make additional information related to basic given in Russian section.
_________________________________________________________Start from here if you will:
This section is giving orderly information about what is next there.
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559508/#msg559508 (https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559508/#msg559508)QuoteFirst to be able to see if extraction of energy from Schumann waveguide is possible
we need to understand and test the energy transfer from given point A to given point B.
TOOLS NEEDED:This set of comments is giving information about tools needed to tune Tesla Coil into
Complex Brewster Angle.it applies to both :
- energy send from any point A to any point B on the planet Earth
- Extraction of energy from Schumann waveguide using exactly the same mechanism .
At the end - this is our FE.
Explanation:Complex Brewster Angle is the angle of tilt of EM Wave towards Interface e.g Earth Air
Please note that none of these devices is mandatory and all is needed is just AC V meter:
-working at best from 60Hz to 160MHz.
range from Air/Earth ,Au or Cu foil /Air, dielectric/dielectric or Goubau line.
-working at medium from 60Hz to 60MHz.
range from Air/Earth ,Au or Cu foil /Air, dielectric/dielectric or Goubau line.
-working at worse from 60Hz to 500kHz.
range from Air/Earth
introduction to these devices was given here in link below:
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559509/#msg559509but (https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559509/#msg559509but) more extensive material will be given here
Wesley
#1. Wandel & Golterman Selective Level meter SPM-19 50 Hz to 25 MHz
https://www.sglabs.it/en/product.php?s=wg-spm-19&id=1608 (https://www.sglabs.it/en/product.php?s=wg-spm-19&id=1608)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NvAtVBE3ZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NvAtVBE3ZI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN6BhmxvkK4
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN6BhmxvkK4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMF_v_vNoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMF_v_vNoE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl65xJeeQRQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl65xJeeQRQ) Wandel&Goltermann демонстрация работы
#2 HP3586B selective level meter shown as HF receiver 50Hz-32.5MHz
http://mgte.com/slm/index.htm (http://mgte.com/slm/index.htm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbxd-Z5jts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbxd-Z5jts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MZpnVs6CWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MZpnVs6CWc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeN2bw8iRtk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeN2bw8iRtk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvBotmw6EQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvBotmw6EQ) this is model HP 3586A
#3 Anritsu ML422C 50 Hz to 30 MHz Selective Level Meter Селективный измеритель уровня от 50 Гц до 30 МГц
https://archive.org/details/lost_manuals_Anritsu--ML422C--user--ID5908/page/n1/mode/2up (https://archive.org/details/lost_manuals_Anritsu--ML422C--user--ID5908/page/n1/mode/2up)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnM3ei_eVQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnM3ei_eVQ)
#4 Микровольтметр селективный В6-1 Диапазон частот: 15 кГц – 35 МГц. 15khz-35MHz
http://www.cqham.ru/hpa/v6-1.htm (http://www.cqham.ru/hpa/v6-1.htm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDBF9KsXJsE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDBF9KsXJsE)
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Additional equipment listing in addition to that listed here:
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559509/#msg559509 (https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559509/#msg559509)
#5 Wandel & Goltermann PSM-139 Selective Level Meter, 50 Hz to 32 MHz
#6 Wandel & Goltermann SPM-38 WG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_fKnF5pmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_fKnF5pmY) 50 Hz - 18 MHz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_fKnF5pmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_fKnF5pmY)
#6a Wandel und Goldermann SPM 30 Längstwellen empfang VLF Receiver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVfx1ggCpyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVfx1ggCpyI)
#6b Wandel und Goldermann SPM-15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZ1Fhmrp0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZ1Fhmrp0A)
#7 Siemens D2008 Pegelmesser Selective Level Meter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0YoPDRxLAQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0YoPDRxLAQ)
#8 Watkins Johnson HF-1000 DSP Receiver
https://www.qsl.net/n9ewo/wj8711.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVsbFtso5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVsbFtso5w)
https://www.fenu-radio.ch/Watkins_Johnson_HF1000-en.htm
(https://www.fenu-radio.ch/Watkins_Johnson_HF1000-en.htm)
#8a More about other Watkins Johnson receivers is here but doesn't apply to our needs.
http://www.tuberadio.com/spooksets/WJ-catalog-May-1988.pdf
(http://www.tuberadio.com/spooksets/WJ-catalog-May-1988.pdf)Wesley
This is special section dedicated to little different instruments
that can be also used in our Zenneck Wave device testing and development
#9 VLF2 Alexandersson 10-300kHz
VLF2 (grahn-spezialantennen.de) (http://www.grahn-spezialantennen.de/html/vlf2.html)
https://youtu.be/i2t2AhBggyw?t=46 (https://youtu.be/i2t2AhBggyw?t=46)
This module is shown with association of selective level meter but it can act as stand alone device.
Normally I would never forgive the author - use of wording <Longitudinal>
but because it is German made device, we know that it is not "Russian joke"
Magnetic field antenna
Very interesting device and inexpensive.
It has 2 ranges:
1. 10kHz-70kHz
2. 60kHz-300kHz
Wesley
One of examples of VLF antenna, that mainly works at 136kHz.
Note antenna must be vertically polarized to work with our application.
This is exactly the way that is shown in the video but we don't need two loops
The antenna may be mounted just on simple portable stick,
The purpose of this antenna is tune Tx Tesla coil to minimum signal if Far Field.
This will indicate that we are Tuning Tesla coil close to Brewster angle .
the exact mechanism of that tuning will be explained in later comments.
https://youtu.be/4WwrKC91A1M?t=325 (https://youtu.be/4WwrKC91A1M?t=325)
Wesley
Very inexpensive way of receiving VLF ( Very low Frequency signals) :
-with sound card.
-home made receivers
-receiving VLF Stations With an SDR (software defined radio) receiver
Очень недорогой способ приема сигналов VLF (очень низкочастотные сигналы со звуковой картой) или приема станций VLF
с помощью приемника SDR (программно определяемого радио).
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1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2W1x6Rb9hI&t=99s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2W1x6Rb9hI&t=99s)
2.https://youtu.be/OzWBxt_TOWk?t=620
(https://youtu.be/OzWBxt_TOWk?t=620)3.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbbDPqdxq24
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbbDPqdxq24)4.https://youtu.be/I0luIo78fIg?t=46 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0luIo78fIg)
5. TitanSDR by ENABLIA (software defined radio) receiver 9kHz to 32MHz
https://swling.com/blog/2015/06/a-review-of-the-titansdr-pro-software-defined-receiver/ (https://swling.com/blog/2015/06/a-review-of-the-titansdr-pro-software-defined-receiver/)
designed specifically for military and government applications
https://www.rtl-sdr.com/a-review-of-the-titansdr-pro/ (https://www.rtl-sdr.com/a-review-of-the-titansdr-pro/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZF7Tp8ymzI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZF7Tp8ymzI)
6,Receiver SDR Radio 10K-2GHz Software Defined Radio only $49.53
I don/t trust Chinese products.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/363495515244?hash=item54a205646c:g:1ukAAOSw7ndhDOJa (https://www.ebay.com/itm/363495515244?hash=item54a205646c:g:1ukAAOSw7ndhDOJa)
Wesley
What is the difference between using selective V-meter,
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg559526/#msg559526 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg559526/#msg559526)
and
regular V-meter covering the same frequency range like e.g Ballantine 323?
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559510/#msg559510 (https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559510/#msg559510)
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Answer:
The only difference is that when we use selective V-meter we can hear the sound of the signal but we pay a lot more for it.
Wesley
This part will respond to the question why and how
energy, data, video, telephony can be send from point A to any point B on the surface of the earth
with use of Zenneck Wave in the Earth/ air interface.
Bill made comment while talking about Viziv, and Dr Corum.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/bullshit-texzon-wireless-power/msg2290227/#msg2290227 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/bullshit-texzon-wireless-power/msg2290227/#msg2290227)
question:
What is the cavity standing wave dielectric loss of the earth?Answer from:
Bill Beaty from University of Washington.
QuoteDown below 20KHz?
Rule of thumb: the system-Q for the Earth's lowest resonance is commonly quoted as 8-10.
So, any ~11Hz pulse will pass around the Earth over 8 times times before decreasing to 66%.
(Imagine passing an AC pulse ten times across an entire a continent-wide power grid, with losses only 33%.)
Wesley's response:
cavity standing wave refers to resonant standing waves between opposing walls of the cavity.
A cavity resonance occurs inside a conductive enclosure when energy is generated at frequencies which correspond to the resonant frequencies of the enclosure
That may be seen as cavity between ionosphere and Earth and
distribution of electromagnetic field in that resonant cavity.
and closest example may be your home microwave:
https://youtu.be/VR6nD6Iygso?t=95 (https://youtu.be/VR6nD6Iygso?t=95)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/cavity-resonator
(https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/cavity-resonator)https://www.laird.com/sites/default/files/2019-07/Dampening%20Cavity%20Resonance%20Using%20Absorber%20Material.pdf (https://www.laird.com/sites/default/files/2019-07/Dampening%20Cavity%20Resonance%20Using%20Absorber%20Material.pdf)
In regards to Tesla Coil tilting Wave into the
Complex Brewster Angle you have made absolutely incorrect assumption:
the standing wave must be seen as:
-distribution of electromagnetic field in a resonant cavity between Tesla Coil Top capacitor and partially conductive medium Earth (dielectric is Air)- for Earth/Air Interface.
-distribution of electromagnetic field in a resonant cavity between Tesla Coil Top capacitor and conductive medium Aluminum foil (dielectric is Air) for Foil/Air Interface
-distribution of electromagnetic field in a resonant cavity between Tesla Coil Top capacitor and dielectric slab (another dielectric is having different dielectric properties ) for
two different dielectric slabs interface
Q of the earth doesn't apply to Zenneck wave in the interface.
It is like talking about inverse square law that applies to free space but doesn't apply to waveguide.
And Zenneck wave exists only in the special kind of 2D waveguide known as INTERFACE
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Bill Beaty from University of Washington.
QuoteThe Corums (the Tesla-phile engineers behind the Viziv tower) published an engineering analysis in the early
1990s that showed that Tesla's system would still work, even with a Q that low.
Wesley's response:
Dr Corum filed his provisional application
in 2007 describing device utilizing Zenneck wave in the interface.
the link you never send us to was from 1990 - so this revelation can't be taken as evidence it is about different animal.
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Bill Beaty from University of Washington.
QuoteTheir main point: when the system is in operation, the Earth's losses, (the low Q,) represents a constant loss independent
of throughput, basically a resistor parallel to the power supply. For a large system, the loss would be ?tens? of megawatts.
But if we keep the operating voltage always the same, then these Earth-losses remain constant, no matter how much
wattage is being drawn by the distant receivers. Just make sure to sell gigawatt-rates of energy to customers,
if your grid losses are constant megawatts.
Wesley's response:
Nothing that is related to electromagnetic wave in free space can be applied to surface wave known as Zenneck wave.
It is entirely incorrect thinking pattern.
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Bill Beaty from University of Washington.
QuoteTesla system isn't made of thin wires. It's planes.The analog to "cable resistance" apparently is insignificant,
when compared to that parallel leakage in the air between the high voltage and ground.
Wesley's response:
The system of Dr Corum specifies that distance from top capacitor to the earth must be minimum 4x size of that top capacitor .
there is no leakage not sparks allowed .
look at the picture
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Bill Beaty from University of Washington.
Quote
1990s Sutton/Spaniol paper from NASA where they built an unusual exotic antenna, and measured Q-values in Shumann-lines
with values of many hundreds. Not ten! The greater VLF research community has never accepted this.
These results are still maverick/fringe, and like the Corum papers, banished to Tesla conference publications.
http://amasci.com/tesla/sutton.html (http://amasci.com/tesla/sutton.html)
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5296866A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US5296866A/en)
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19940006883.pdf (https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19940006883.pdf)
look at the picture #10Wesley's response:
I myself was in NASA programs also as Principal Investigator. . There is to much risk and to much scrutiny to make unsustainable claims there.
I assume you Bill have never participated in them. Money there is insured with your own assets before you'll get a penny.
Your ironical criticism of Dr Corum papers is just the matter of personal preference . I also don't care much/ at all /about publicity nor its level.
You want fame ..? I don't not it matters to me.
But again you are talking about antenna and its Q.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4548194-q-of-the-earth (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4548194-q-of-the-earth)
Zenneck wave doesn't travel inside or above the earth . It travels inside of the earth /air INTERFACE 2D space, fallowing curvature
of the earth.
For me you are a great brain having such deficiency in the direction you talking position about. the Zenneck Wave.
I'd appreciate if you take your time and view this.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=551s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=551s)
prior to expressing your opinion.
I would like to express my respect to you and
it is my great pleasure talking to You.
Wesley
The points marked in color are already explained below.
The points not marked in color will be explained soon
This chapter will explain :
1 -INTERFACE,
2-types of interface ,
3-wave tilt,
4- TM mode
5-Brewster angle
6-Complex Brewster Angle
7- practical tuning of Tesla Tower to Complex Brewster Angle.
8- what is a probe and why we use them.
9- impedance of INTERFACE
10- Resonance
11- STEP BY STEP instruction how to make working test system
Wesley
1 -INTERFACE,
2-types of interface ,
3-wave tilt,
4- TM mode
5-Brewster angle
6-Complex Brewster Angle
7- practical tuning of Tesla Tower to Complex Brewster Angle.
8- what is a probe and why we use them.
9- impedance of INTERFACE
10- Resonance
11- STEP BY STEP instruction how to make working test system
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add1
INTERFACE:_____________________________________________________
INTERFACE is the high speed "highway" for Zenneck Wave to Travel.
Interface traps inside the Electromagnetic Wave and allows it to travel only if that wave is taking the form
suitable to travel in the INTERFACE. That form is called -
TM mode.TM mode: Transverse magnetic waves, also called E waves are characterized by the fact that the magnetic
vector (H vector) is always perpendicular to the direction of propagation.
understanding-tem-te-and-tm-waveguide-modes
(https://www.miwv.com/understanding-tem-te-and-tm-waveguide-modes/)
INTERFACE is a special form of
waveguide that looks like 2D space to our eyes.
Waveguide is a structure that guides waves, such as electromagnetic waves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide)
Quotehollow conductive metal pipe used to carry high frequency radio waves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_wave), particularly microwaves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave). Dielectric waveguides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_waveguide) are used at higher radio frequencies,
and transparent dielectric waveguides and optical fibers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber) serve as waveguides for light.
In acoustics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustics), air ducts and horns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_(acoustic)) are used as waveguides for sound in musical instruments
and loudspeakers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker), and specially-shaped metal rods conduct ultrasonic waves in ultrasonic machining (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic_machining).
The
Zenneck wave, Zenneck surface wave or Sommerfeld (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Arnold+Sommerfeld&filters=sid%3a89217d3e-5620-452b-901e-63716175a37c&form=ENTLNK)-Zenneck surface wave is an
inhomogeneous or non-uniform electromagnetic plane wave incident at the complex Brewster angle (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Brewster's+angle&filters=sid%3a27fe7231-66b6-4fed-6bea-601709b98252&form=ENTLNK) onto a planar or spherical boundary interface between two homogeneous media having different dielectric constants.
Wesley
1 -INTERFACE,
2-types of interface ,
3-wave tilt,
4- TM mode
5-Brewster angle
6-Complex Brewster Angle
7- practical tuning of Tesla Tower to Complex Brewster Angle.
8- what is a probe and why we use them.
9- impedance of INTERFACE
10- Resonance
11- STEP BY STEP instruction how to make working test system
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Add 2
types of INTERFACE ,
Interface is seen as "two dimensional 2D" space and is always made from two different materials :
a- dielectric and different dielectric- both having different dielectric constants)
e.g
-any combination of two dielectric slabs such as Teflon and ceramics, or paper, or mica, or glass,
-or liquid over solid dielectric such as: Distilled water, transformer oil,
-or gas over solid dielectric
Dielectric gases such as : nitrogen, dry air, helium, (various metal oxides,) etc.
A perfect vacuum is also a dielectric.
b- dielectric and conductive medium.
e.g
-dielectric Air(gas) over solid conductor( aluminum, copper)
- solid dielectric e.g Teflon over solid conductor e.g copper
-wire as conductive medium coated with dielectric. Goubau- Sommerfeld Line
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line)
https://www.jensign.com/wire/calc/params.html (https://www.jensign.com/wire/calc/params.html) - practical tool !!!
c- partially conductive medium EARTH and gaseous dielectric AIR.
Properties of Interface :
a.- The interface has no thickness, so it is 2 D (two-dimensional space).
In our case, the interface can be made of air touching the Earth. this means that there is no gap between this air and the earth, and this space is two-dimensional
b.- INTERFACE has certain chosen by us impedance or naturally present impedance in natural interface.
Wesley
c- partially conductive medium EARTH and gaseous dielectric AIR.
look at post from above
Wesley
1 -INTERFACE,
2-types of interface ,
3-wave tilt,
4- TM mode
5-Brewster angle
6-Complex Brewster Angle
7- practical tuning of Tesla Tower to Complex Brewster Angle.
8- what is a probe and why we use them.
9- impedance of INTERFACE
10- Resonance
11- STEP BY STEP instruction how to make working test system
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This is the answer part A of point 3
Add 3
Electromagnetic wave is often seen as wave in free space.
Radio waves have the ability to pass through the atmosphere and vacuum space.
Free Space means air, outer space, vacuum, or something similar.
Electromagnetic wave in Free Space suffers significant losses due to Inverse Square Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law)
However Inverse Square Law doesn't apply to Waveguides:
The more accurate answer is here:
The power of the wave falls with the distance R from the source as the square of the distance (inverse square law).
However a waveguide confines the wave to propagate in one dimension, so that, under ideal conditions, *the wave loses no power while propagating.*
Due to total reflection at the walls, waves are confined to the interior of a waveguide.
https://en.waveguide. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide#:~:text=The%20power%20of%20the%20wave%20falls%20with%20the,are%20confined%20to%20the%20interior%20of%20a%20waveguide.)
So in easy but definitely not accurate language :
when we have 10km long water pipe on the slope all of the water put into it must go out.
Nature pay for gravitation force pushing it down the pipe.
Electromagnetic wave as quantum phenomena must move with the speed of light in free space or at little slower speed in given medium.
https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/quantum_theory_waves/index.html (https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/quantum_theory_waves/index.html)
speed of electromagnetic waves
(https://semaths.com/what-is-the-speed-of-electromagnetic-waves#:~:text=The%20speed%20of%20any%20electromagnetic%20waves%20in%20free,frequency%20f%20as%20long%20as%20%CE%BBf%20%3D%20c.)Wesley
This is the answer part B of point 3
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560251/#msg560251 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560251/#msg560251)
One of types of waveguide is the INTERFACE
The types of INTERFACEs are explained here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560166/#msg560166 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560166/#msg560166)
Easy explanation:
Water:
If we want water to flow in 10km long pipe on the slope we must deliver it to this water pipe,
The pipe is the trap for that water containing it inside and allowing it to flow in one direction only
The energy of that water is increasing due to gravitation force.
well..its potential energy is converted into kinetic energy.
Electromagnetic wave:
The electromagnetic wave must be delivered to waveguide or its special type - the INTERFACE, in order to propagate in it.
The waveguide is the trap for that wave containing it inside and allowing to flow inside.
There are no losses in *ideal waveguide* despite its length.
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Important is how we deliver electromagnetic wave to the Interface and how we prepare this wave to be able to travel inside of it.
Easy explanation:
Water:
Water can flow in the water pipe if it is not frozen and diameter of the pipe is satisfying our needs for water.
And we want water for free from nearest waterfall.
So we make the right pipe at the right slope
Electromagnetic wave:
INTERFACE is a type of a Waveguide and is a trap for electromagnetic wave.So we make the right Waveguide/INTERFACE
or
we use the Waveguide/INTERFACE shown to you by some American guy from New York USA (name Wesley)
This waveguide doesn't cost you any money.
But now we need to deliver the right electromagnetic wave at right form and frequency accepted by this waveguide- INTERFACE .
and that will be:
-right frequency
- right phase
-right polarization
-at right angle
Wesley
This is the answer part C of point 3
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Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide or its special kind the INTERFACE:
If we have ready to use Interface "We either use it or lose it."
So don't install the new shiny transmission from the heavy truck into small Toyota We need the right transmission for Toyota we already have.
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FREQUENCY:
Electromagnetic wave needs to have the right frequency for existing Waveguide or one of its forms - the Interface.
The higher the frequency the smaller in diameter the waveguide can be, or the INTERFACE can be much different and using different materials.
We operate at very low frequencies however Zenneck Wave works at all frequencies and is named differently.
Zenneck wave propagates best at ELF and VLF frequencies up to about 35 kHz, and would lose its advantage as frequency rose above that point.
http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws4rev1.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws4rev1.htm)
From Wesley:
We were working with my team at frequencies from :
52MHz.. good only for copper or aluminum foil as conductive medium and air as dielectric
1.8MHz good only for water as partially conductive medium ( some ground but short distance <5mile) and air as dielectric
137kHz good only as partially conductive medium ( some ground but short distance <35mile) and air as dielectric
20kHz good for earth as partially conductive medium ( ground distance unlimited) and air as dielectric
17.2kHz extremely good for earth as partially conductive medium ( ground distance unlimited) and air as dielectric
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The main group of waves of our interest is :
SURFACE WAVE
Below you have picture of most dominant Surface waves that are contained inside some sort of Waveguide or its special form the INTERFACE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw)
Wesley
stivep
QuoteEasy explanation:
If we want water to flow in 10km long pipe on the slope we must deliver it to this water pipe,
The pipe is the trap for that water containing it inside and allowing it to flow in one direction only
So is with Electromagnetic wave:
The electromagnetic wave must be delivered to waveguide or its special type - the INTERFACE, in order to propagate in it.
The waveguide is the trap for that wave containing it inside and allowing to flow inside.
One concept missing from most modern research, more so science, relates to quality.
In fact all the greatest free energy inventors were obsessed with the properties and qualities
of things relative to other things. So much that they often ignored the physics preoccupied with
math and equations or measures of something.
I see many attempting to quantify the phenomena, Quanfity: express or measure the quantity of.
Where quality is a very different beast, Quality: the standard of something as measured against other
things of a similar kind. I found this really neat how all the successful free energy inventors had such a different perspective than most.
With respect to your water analogy quality matters. Now imagine a pipe which carries water and we know each discrete quantity
of water is attached to each other part as a continuous fluid. However Viktor Schauber claimed that by separating the whole into parts,
moving them in spiral concentric flows and adding air the fluid became discontinuous.
As such each part is no longer bound to all the others and each could move freely within certain constraints.
This is analogous to an impulsive electrical flow which is unlike most wave forms we are familiar with.
This is true because the flow is discontinuous and separate from the other parts constituting the "flow" of energy.
Can you see the difference in the qualities of the disturbance?. One is always bound to every other part as is normally
the case where a truly impulsive flow is not. Each part becomes distinct in it's own right and it is this quality
which allows it to interact with other fields and forces which may be present within the system.
Not unlike you and myself, we are unique and do not follow the same path as others. We take "the road not taken" and that has made all the difference...
Regards
AC
Thank you for your comment ,I would love very much to have conversation with you now , but I don't want clarity of this set of guidance to be affected by additional not on the target set of comments.
So let's leave it for later.
Wesley
This is the answer part D of point 3
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Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide or its special kind the INTERFACE:
Tesla Tower is an air transformer.
Air transformer is the transformer that is made from coils only with no metal core
The core of the transformer acts as a support to the winding in the transformer. It also provides a low reluctance path to the flow of magnetic flux.
The core of the transformer in modern times is made no longer from permalloy plates but from ferrite material and is usually in form of Closed Loop.
Permalloy is a nickel–iron magnetic alloy, with about 80% nickel and 20% iron content.
Closed Loop is shape of core making magnetic flux to be able to travel in it.
However one of secrets of replication of Dr James Corum device is use of ferrite bars.That experimentation and learning curve is mandatory step needed to learn how to extract energy from Schuman Waveguide
and this is our FE.
I'm probably not going to talk about it at all or in very much critical moment of my writing. !!!!!
:)
___________________________________________________________________________PHASE:
There are two different factors of phase not directly related but related in time sequence:
a.-
Phase relation in Tesla Coil
Explanation:
In Tesla Coil we are dealing with standing wave
Standing Wave is a wave which oscillates in time but whose peak amplitude profile does not move in space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave)
That wave will oscillate vertically between Top Capacitor of Tesla coil and the ground.
Top Capacitor is a top plate on the top of Tesla coil forming capacitor with another plate- the ground.
b.-
The complex longitudinal propagation phase constant along the Earth's surface for the Zenneck surface wave
Explanation:http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws4rev1.htm
(http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws4rev1.htm)
Conclusion:
We have few ways to make Wave tilt into Complex Brewster Angle ( in our case this would be complex Brewster Angle)
We can do it by:
-lowering or lifting up the Top capacitor
-or playing with the phase.
source of information:
there is plenty in my writing about :
-Complex Brewster Angle
-and phase relation.
You may start from here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg545537/#msg545537 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg545537/#msg545537)
QuoteDr James Corum phasing coils /slow wave https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=675 (https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=675)b. environment:
- vertical HV coil
- standing wave
- set of phasing coils
- slow wave stands for delay
Wesley
This is the answer part E of point 3
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Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide or its special kind the INTERFACE:
POLARIZATIONTo explain what is polarization and why it is important to us we need to to touch some basic knowledge
and point at similarities to
visible light.
Quote
The visible spectrum is the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum
that is visible to the human eye. Electromagnetic radiation in this range
of wavelengths is called visible light or simply light.
A typical human eye will respond to wavelengths from about 380 to about 750 nanometers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum#:~:text=The%20visible%20spectrum%20is%20the%20portion%20of%20the,wavelengths%20from%20about%20380%20to%20about%20750%20nanometers.)Light is
electromagnetic wave and has frequency measured in Hz or nm.
Electromagnetic radiation consists of
electromagnetic waves, which are synchronized oscillations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillation) of electric (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field) and magnetic fields (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field).
Our wave we use to transfer from point A to point B is :
- exactly the same electromagnetic wave but differing from light with frequency
Our wave we extracted from Schumann Waveguide by our receiver is:
- also exactly the same electromagnetic wave but differing from light with frequency
That electromagnetic wave is invisible to our eye acting as receiver only to
visible light .
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EYEGLASSES:When we use polarized eyeglasses we let only some form of light to be seen by our
eye acting as the receiver.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasses)
QuotePolarization is lossy but not always as much:
energy loss can be partially avoided with the use of special filters, with the same filtering effect
but that, based in a different filtering technology,
QuoteActive polarization filters, which use an active electrostatic field
to polarize both the fibers of a media pad
https://www.aivc.org/resource/energy-performance-active-polarization-filters-vs-conventional-filters-hvac-systems (https://www.aivc.org/resource/energy-performance-active-polarization-filters-vs-conventional-filters-hvac-systems)Wesley
This is the answer part F of point 3
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Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide or its special kind the INTERFACE:
POLARIZATION
we continuing with explaining polarization
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Polarization of Electromagnetic WaveQuoteAn electromagnetic wave such as light consists of a coupled oscillating electric field and magnetic field
which are always perpendicular to each other; by convention, the "polarization" of electromagnetic waves
refers to the direction of the electric field. In linear polarization, the fields oscillate in a single direction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization_(waves) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization_(waves)#:~:text=An%20electromagnetic%20wave%20such%20as%20light%20consists%20of,polarization%2C%20the%20fields%20oscillate%20in%20a%20single%20direction.)So in every electromagnetic wave we have oscillating :
electric field and
magnetic field which are always
perpendicular to each other
_________________________________________________________________Let's look at source of electromagnetic radiation from perspective of polarization.
POINT SOURCE:
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZCON&pc=MOZI&q=point+of+source (https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZCON&pc=MOZI&q=point+of+source)source of light (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_source) can be considered a
point source if we have e.g
lightbulb.
We can draw spheres around it to image this radiation.
Light as electromagnetic wave is radiating in all directions in space around it equally and this radiation is called spherical
LINE SOURCE:
line source, as opposed to a point source, is a source of electromagnetic radiation that emanates from a linear (one-dimensional) geometry.
Source of light can be considered a line source if we have e.g fluorescent light bulb 2ft long.
-if we place this fluorescent lightbulb vertically we can see that light is not radiating to the top and the bottom of it but is seen all around it.
We can draw cylinders farther away all around this fluorescent 2ft long lightbulb to image this radiation.Light as electromagnetic wave is radiating
equally in cylindrical pattern in space around vertically placed fluorescent lightbulb 2ft long
and this radiation is called cylindrical
_________________________________________________________________VERTICAL and HORIZONTAL POLARIZATION
if we now take this vertical:
- 2ft long lightbulb
or
- vertical antenna
or
- vertical Tesla Tower
We see that this cylindrical pattern of radiation is at 90 degrees to the horizontal ground.
We call it Vertical Polarization. Note: in vertical antenna we have vertical polarization but electromagnetic
wave is
propagating horizontally farther away from it.
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Although Tariel Kapanadze didn't use obvious vertical polarization :)
our experimenter would use vertical polarization only.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Propagation of electromagnetic wave in Free Space always suffers significant losses due to Inverse Square Law.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560251/#msg560251 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560251/#msg560251)However Inverse Square Law doesn't apply to Waveguides:
Below you have:
-
point source having spherical pattern of radiation-
line source having cylindrical pattern of radiation
Wesley
This is the answer part G of point 3
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Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide or its special kind the INTERFACE:
POLARIZATION
we continuing with explaining polarization
however we need to explain more about Standing wave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdCyA5eLCbo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdCyA5eLCbo)
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Electromagnetic Wave in form of:
STANDING WAVE
So far we learned that:
- our Tesla coil must be vertically placed to the ground and by that have vertical polarization to the earth/air INTERFACE.
earth/air INTERFACE is explained here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560166/#msg560166 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560166/#msg560166)
- between Top capacitor and Earth we have standing wave
standing wave https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560291/#msg560291 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560291/#msg560291)
QuoteThe most common cause of standing waves is the phenomenon of resonance,
in which standing waves occur inside a resonator due to interference between waves
reflected back and forth at the resonator's resonant frequency .
For waves of equal amplitude traveling in opposing directions, there is on average no
net propagation of energy .
standing waves
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20cause%20of%20standing%20waves%20is,on%20average%20no%20net%20propagation%20of%20energy%20.)_________________________________________________________________
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20cause%20of%20standing%20waves%20is,on%20average%20no%20net%20propagation%20of%20energy%20.) The difference between standing wave and traveling wave is:
a- Traveling Waves transport energy from one area of space to another, whereas standing waves do not transport energy.
b.-points on a standing wave oscillate in phase, whereas on a traveling wave only points a wavelength apart oscillate in phase
- the rest on that wavelength oscillate out of phase with the original pointc- Standing waves occur in confined spaces – in a microwave oven, on a violin string, or in Tesla coil between Top capacitor and earth.(valid for all types of SW)
The waves interfere as they move about within the space to set up a series of nodes, or points of minimum vibration, and antinodes or
points of maximum vibration. The most striking feature of standing waves is that they only occur for certain frequencies.Quote-Node (physics) A node is a point along a standing wave where the wave has minimum amplitude.
-Anti node- (physics) An anti node is the position of maximum displacement in a standing wave system.
One characteristic of every standing wave pattern is that there are points along the medium that appear to be standing still.
These points, sometimes described as points of no displacement, are referred to as nodes.
There are other points along the medium that undergo vibrations between a large positive and large negative displacement.
These are the points that undergo the maximum displacement during each vibrational cycle of the standing wave.
In a sense, these points are the opposite of nodes, and so they are called antinodes.
what-is-node-and-anti- (https://www.urbanpro.com/class-ix-x-tuition/what-is-node-and-anti-node#:~:text=Basically%20nodes%20and%20anti%20nodes%20are%20the%20characteristics,particles%20have%20maximum%20displacement.%20To%20know%20more%20about)node (https://www.urbanpro.com/class-ix-x-tuition/what-is-node-and-anti-node#:~:text=Basically%20nodes%20and%20anti%20nodes%20are%20the%20characteristics,particles%20have%20maximum%20displacement.%20To%20know%20more%20about)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFpDFDQn0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFpDFDQn0E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJpVtOhs0jI (https://www.urbanpro.com/class-ix-x-tuition/what-is-node-and-anti-node#:~:text=Basically%20nodes%20and%20anti%20nodes%20are%20the%20characteristics,particles%20have%20maximum%20displacement.%20To%20know%20more%20about)
The example of
standing wave in transmission line is presented here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1PgCOTDjvI
Transmission line : is any piece of wire or conductive path delivering signal to the radiating this wave element like an antenna, or Tesla coil and that will be our load that sends this energy OUT.
e.g: generator sends signal using transmission line ( wire. coax etc.) to an antenna.
If impedance of that antenna is matching impedance of transmission line and impedance of generator than we are able efficiently
to send its energy without standing wave to an Antenna.
We may also send energy of the generator to the resistor e.g 50 Ohm and dissipate energy of the generator without standing wave if it matches
the impedance of the transmission line and impedance of generator. There is no dissipation of energy due to resistance in ideal LC circuits.
conclusion: If we want to send energy from point A to any point B we need:
- to have energy from Generator delivered using transmission line to the Tesla Coil
-we don't want any standing wave be caused by impedance miss-match of generator and transmission line
and if we had no standing wave in our antenna (Tesla Coil) this energy would be taken by that antenna
and radiated into the free space around us. https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-14/characteristic-impedance/
However we don't want that either..
We want our energy from generator to be delivered to Tesla Coil and than we want to
tilt that energy by another means- (another form) of polarization .
we don't want this energy to go to the Far Field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field)
We want this energy to land at Complex Brewster Angle in the INTERFACE ( Earth/Air)
And the magic word here is word COMPLEX.
It's complex phenomena having Brewster angle as one of its elements
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point source and line source is explained here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560319/#msg560319 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560319/#msg560319)So far we
were talking about physical polarization of an antenna ( Tesla Coil)
Any vertical to the ground antenna radiates all around and wave spreads horizontally in
cylindrical pattern .
but
because the antenna is vertical than
wave radiated from it will be vertically polarized So polarization of the electromagnetic wave depends from physical position of our Tesla coil with reference to the ground .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIOlBzFiYO4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIOlBzFiYO4)
Polarized electromagnetic wave :
polarization of the wave represents how the electromagnetic waves are physically oriented in space.
Wesley
THE BEST PLACE TO CONDUCT THIS EXPERIMENT WILL BE ON THE OCEAN.
THE REASON BEING THAT THE SEA WATER WILL BE A VERY GOOD GROUND
PLANE, THE SEA BEING VERY CONDUCTIVE. ALSO WILL BE IDEAL TO TRANSFER POWER FROM EITHER WIND
OR SEA CURRENT GENERATOR TO LAND BASES.
This is the answer part H of point 3
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Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide - its special form the INTERFACE:POLARIZATION
we continuing with explaining polarization
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We need to make sure that we understand the two phenomena present in our study:
1. Polarization of an antenna
2. Polarization of the wave
add1:
Polarization of an antenna for our application must be vertical.
It means position of an antenna against the horizontal earth must be vertical.
Earth
along with air
above makes our waveguide - the INTERFACE.
QuoteDefinition: Antenna Polarization is the term used in correspondence with the electromagnetic wave radiated through it.
It is defined as the orientation of the electric field vector of the radiated electromagnetic wave by the antenna with a negligible amount of losses.
https://electronicsdesk.com/antenna-polarization. (https://electronicsdesk.com/antenna-polarization.html#:~:text=It%20is%20defined%20as%20the%20orientation%20of%20the,the%20time%20of%20choosing%20or%20installing%20the%20antenna.)
add2. Quotepolarization of the wave is defined as the special property of electromagnetic waves that provides a specific relation between
the time-varying direction and magnitude of the vibrating electric field.
More simply, it can be said that polarization represents how the electromagnetic waves are physically oriented in space.
polarization is always explained with reference to the electric vector.
and electric field has its vector called electric vector.
Due to this reason; we define the plane of polarization
of the (radio waves- means ) electromagnetic waves in the direction of the electric vector.
Another words we can draw plane along direction of electric vector to see it more easily in space around us.
So vertical polarization of an antenna makes wave vertical electric field prepared to our application.
We mentioned electric field only however electromagnetic wave has both electric and magnetic field component ( each with is its own vector)
The electric and magnetic vector are mutually perpendicular to the direction of wave propagation.
The electric and the magnetic field ( are at 90 degrees to each other)
Electric field vector vibrates in the direction perpendicular to the direction of wave propagation.
This means if the electric field vector is present in the vertical plane above the surface of the earth then it is known as vertically polarized.
Summary:
vertical antenna radiates vertically polarized waves,
while
horizontal antenna radiates horizontally polarized waves.
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vertically polarized waves : if the electric field vector is present in the vertical plane above the surface of the earth then it is known as vertically polarized.
likewise,
horizontally polarized waves.:when the electric field vector is along the horizontal plane then it is called horizontally polarized waves.
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Hence polarization is the characteristical property of the antenna designed to radiate linearly polarized wave.
Wave alignment in space either vertical or horizontal is known as linear polarization.
linearly polarized wave:
linear polarization or plane polarization of electromagnetic radiation is a confinement of the electric field vector or magnetic field vector to
a given plane along the direction of propagation.
but because we are interested now with electric field vector we skip magnetic field and its vector but not for long _________________________________________________________________
Electromagnetic Wave in form of:STANDING WAVE
Please look at my previous comment
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We have the two applications we are interested with
1. energy transfer from point A to point B using Zenneck Wave and Interface
and that will be any point A on earth to any point B.
2. Energy extraction from Schumann Waveguide
and that will be the energy that landed naturally in the Interface
at any point(s) on the earth and is received at any point B .
Because we are dealing with origination of electromagnetic wave at different place of the earth than receiving of these waves
the statement below will be valid as a rule:What is the "sequence" for electromagnetic waves?
The "sequence" for electromagnetic waves is:
-generation,
-propagation,
-reflection,
-and reception.
Wesley
This is the answer part I of point 3
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Preparing electromagnetic wave to travel in waveguide or its special kind the INTERFACE:
POLARIZATION
we continuing with explaining polarization
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From part H ( in previous post) we know that:
- our transmitting antenna(-the Tesla Coil) must be vertical and because of that the electromagnetic wave is vertically polarized.
Wave Tilt:
From the world of classical mechanics we know that shape,direction and elevation of water can be regulated.
https://youtu.be/8gcYvzILLbc?t=197 (https://youtu.be/8gcYvzILLbc?t=197)
The same story is with electromagnetic wave ruled by quantum phenomena .
Sensing probes around Tesla Coil transmitter:
We will tune Top Capacitor of Tesla Coil into Complex Brewster Angle.
The slope of conical pattern of electromagnetic field will be presented in next comments.
It will look like narrow cone.
By reading electromagnetic magnetic field on each one of Probes we are able to find if the electromagnetic wave
is now at the right angle of tilt.
When we than check the signal on Tesla Coil assembly ( that is in Far Field) acting as a receiver
we need to remember that its Top Capacitor must be tuned too to maximum power received.
That is why humanity didn't yet know about not only sending energy from point A to point B but they didn't know how to extract
and receive energy from Schumann waveguide too.
I'm working on it now
Conical sloping pattern of electromagnetic field propagation starting from Top capacitor of Tesla Coilc was presented on pictures 1, 2, and 3.
However physics prefers to look at it as like at cylinders.
Physics visualizes this electromagnetic field as wider and wider spreading out cylinders having less and less power .. the further
they are apart from the Tx Tesla Coil.
(Look how tall these cylinders are . Than draw with your eyes the line starting from top capacitor along the top edge of all cylinders and you'll see that this line is sloping like a cone.)
- such propagation is called cylindrical
- such waves are called cylindrical waves
- the front of this wave is called cylindrical wavefront.
As you see on picture below :
our Tesla coil is and acts as our LINE OF SOURCE
explanation of point of source and line of source is here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560319/#msg560319
(https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560319/#msg560319)Wesley
Lukasz:
"PART 4, Receiving antennas" w książce:
https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/hdb/R-HDB-59-2014-PDF-E.pdf (https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb/hdb/R-HDB-59-2014-PDF-E.pdf) ,Lukasz nawiazal do ferrytow:
Tutaj masz odpowiedz na swoj komentarz i pytanie o ferrytach:September 12, 2021, QuoteHowever one of secrets of replication of Dr James Corum device is use of ferrite bars.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560291/#msg560291 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560291/#msg560291)
TM mode and Brewster Angle
Wyjasnienie co i dlaczego jest w tych video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw) Lecture 21 (EM21)
https://youtu.be/aM2g1J1J8To (https://youtu.be/aM2g1J1J8To) Surface waves Complex Angles in Electromagnetics and Photonics
credit to Ivan Speedy 125Wesley
Please give to yourself one hour in your lifetime
_________________________________________
some of you would like to look smart
some of you would like to be smart
but all of you would like to understand.
this video watches like an action movie.
QuoteI was challenged with introducing all of electromagnetics in one hour to students just out of high school and entering college.
This video is my attempt at this. Electromagnetics is a very mathematically intense discipline involving vector calculus,
differential equations and other things that make this challenging.
Here I have tried to explain everything visually with no math.
I do present some equations, but only to satisfy students curiosity about what the equations may look like.
I hope you enjoy the video and get something out of it.
I also hope it helps recruit more students into the area of electromagnetics and optics.
The video was fun to create!
The Amazing World of Electromagnetics (revised)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTriTMZEnk
Wesley
I didn't finish all of the explanation started at:
There are two topics worth your attention:
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559510/#msg559510 (https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559510/#msg559510)https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg559524/#msg559524 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg559524/#msg559524)\
I just stopped for a while and I will continue it in the free time.
Believing is not is a lot of work to keep the content clear and understandable for both the experienced and not experienced
reader, especially in two languages English and Russian.
Wesley
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10852333B2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US10852333B2/en)
Earth-ionosphere waveguide power transfer
Wesley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetotellurics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetotellurics)
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https://youtu.be/ryeODWYZ20c?t=33 (https://youtu.be/ryeODWYZ20c?t=33)
How Magnetotelluric (MT) Surveys Work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwQ6vm3tGM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwQ6vm3tGM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4ATvbCwAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4ATvbCwAw)
Introduction to Magnetotellurics – SAGE MT Facility Webinar Series skip this one it is to long for average viewer.
Magnetotellurics Survey - 1 Running through the equipment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypW7KIAQ92k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypW7KIAQ92k)
Magnetotellurics Survey - 2 Survey layout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9JPItD-ek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9JPItD-ek)
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-qwkmVjrgk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-qwkmVjrgk)
this one is two minutes only shows basic installation of probes.
Magnetotellurics Survey - 3 Operating the console
https://youtu.be/a8X6mDED01M?t=602 (https://youtu.be/a8X6mDED01M?t=602)
Electromagnetism - 2 Survey and data
https://youtu.be/XQXhJTkIhyA?t=46 (https://youtu.be/XQXhJTkIhyA?t=46)
https://www.youtube.com/@WitsGeosciences/search?query=Magnetotelluric (https://www.youtube.com/@WitsGeosciences/search?query=Magnetotelluric)
for Russian-speaking viewers I have this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44c3_qdTK44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44c3_qdTK44)
Wesley
Controversial ownership rights to hero symbol of Nicola Tesla between
Croatia and Serbia keeps him alive
in their research , science and history.
Group of scientists from Serbia/Croatia is publishing plenty papers about Tesla life, work and scientific contribution,including experiments, analysis calculations sponsored by Government
Most of these papers is available to everyone but you need sign free membership or just only give "them" your email. like: https://www.academia.edu (https://www.academia.edu) , ieeexplore.ieee.org, /www.researchgate.net,
so again : give "them" your email - nothing more is needed.Please google :
scientists name or article of interest. :
Poljak, Dragan; Blažević, Zoran; Šesnić, Silvestar; Cvetković, Mario
or
Name of article: Full wave model versus transmission line representation of
Tesla's wave propagation:
155th anniversary of birth of Nikola Tesla
They will send you articles for free based on your search- others can't find on line.few tips after you done with registration: If you use e.g firefox , You'll see the paper, you want to download it,
they may ask you for membership but when you close the paper you'll see that it automatically downloaded it.
This particular paper talks about Tesla's transmission energy over Earth.
So it was not Dr James Corum, nor Sommerfeld-Goubau or Zenneck but Tesla who was first.
Information matches exactly to Surface Wave known as Zenneck Wave in the Earth Air Interface.
Historically Tesla Tower was demolished due to JP Morgan, Marconi lost in Bolinas California due to RCA,
Dr James Corum gave up in Texas and Viziv went chapter 11.
Full name of Article:
Full Wave Model versus Transmission Line Representation of Tesla's Wave Propagation: 155th Anniversary of Birth of Nikola Tesla
Dragan Poljak, Zoran Blazevic, Silvestar Sesnic, Mario Cvetkovic Department of Electronics, Department of Electrical Engineering University of Split Split, Croatia E-mail: dpoljak@fesb.hrQuotequotes:
Tesla's propagation concept of wireless transmission of energy//
Telsa's ideas on non-Hertzian waves*(1899)//currents, voltages and radiated fields//transmitted power via Tesla's propagation path through the Earth //
//Energy of such a system, according to Tesla, is not radiated, but rather conserved in a Tesla's transmitter -Earth system from which it may be absorbed by means of properly adjusted receiving antennas, as shown in Fig. 2 //
the path-loss increases with frequency due to a finite conductivity of the Earth, it follows that the use of lower frequencies (less than 20 kHz [14], [25]) for power transmission is required. Tesla perceived this system during the Colorado Springs experiments [16].//
Note it may be confusing how Tesla envisioned it but picture clearly shows wave traveling around the earth left right, in the interface Earth Air.Wesley
Dear Stefan Chet and others..
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In: https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560166/#msg560166 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg560166/#msg560166)
I have shown Electromagnetic wave trapped in Metal Air interface. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57554-1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57554-1)
In article below there is experiment from end of 20tieth century recorded also by Department of Defense
showing : Excitation of surface electromagnetic waves on water
A. K. Singh, C. A. Goben, M. Davarpanah, and J. L. Boone
https://vdocuments.mx/excitation-of-surface-electromagnetic-waves-on-water.html?page=3
Later on in 2013 Dr Corum instead of Mhz region used kHz region frequencies to do the same in Seneca Lake
http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf (http://rexresearch.com/corumzenneck/texzon.pdf)
In here I gave exact accurate information about structure used in kHz region experiment 1 day of work:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg562296/#msg562296 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg562296/#msg562296) -and even quite skeptical guys decided to write about it.
http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws4.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws4.htm)
It is more likely that Russian Kolbacict starts to experiment with it before you do, because he is more hungry for what you not in your comfort I assume.
Sorry guys but my contribution to humanity has its limits too.
Wesley
Hi Wesley, When you have a few minutes to spare, would you be kind enough to check out this guy, Mtech Industries - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@mtechindustries117)
He is selling for $350 a kit. Making very bold claims, though I'm not seeing what all the hype is about.
Greatly appreciated,
Garry
Dear Garry the answer is here: https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg576283/#msg576283 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg576283/#msg576283)
Wesley
I have got OK from my partner to publish l some details of A to B energy transfer
that is related to Extraction of energy from Schumann waveguide:
Part 1
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Two points structure :
it can be any two points called A and B
Geometry:
- these points always belongs to the plane or line and fallows curvature (e.g. of the earth)
Position
these points can be :
1- two ends of wire ( e.g: telephone wire or Power line or Goubau line) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line) )
2- two ends or two points on the ( aluminum/copper foil) at unlimited length.= conductor
3- two ends or two points on the planet earth = earth as a lossy conductor./and air making it the interface
So at point A we have Tx and at B we have Rx
(Rx receiver Tx transmitter.)_
Communication or energy transfer is provided at specific frequency F
Losses of the signal are present so you always transmit more and receive less or nothing at all.
These losses are associated with number of factors:
- impedance match between output of Tx transmission line and the antenna e.g Goubau line or (Tesla coil)
- efficiency of an antenna
- medium - medium will be explained later.
note: the same conditions apply to Rx too.
Dr Corum used Tesla coil at A as a Tx and also Tesla coil at B as Rx
Note: in the case of Extraction of energy from Schumann waveguide we deal only with Rx.
more in part 2
Wesley
Part 2
mediumNote: look at green word medium in the previous comment. medium is everything that is between point
A and point
B
If we have wire between these two points we are dealing with
impedance as signal is AC.
we have air between these two points.
Note: look at example #2 on the picture from above
If we have
air/earth interface structure or Goubau line or foil
between these two points we are dealing with
impedance as signal is AC
Note: look at example #1 or#3 on the picture from aboveQuotein example #1- Space between these two "ends" or two points on the planet earth = earth as a lossy conductor./and air making it the interface
- important is only that what is in that 2D interface between Air and Earth (and quality of earth as a conductor)
curvature of earth is not important as Electromagnetic wave in that interface is fallowing it.
Note: that interface is simply flat waveguide and inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law)This also applies to the aluminum/coper foil as conductive medium and Air as dielectric - making it exactly the same interface.
Quote2- two ends or two points on the ( aluminum/copper foil) at unlimited length.= conductor
Note:
Look at example #1 on the picture from above it. it shows earth and air and imagine that you have foil instead of earth- width of that foil is likely not that important it could be few cm as well.
NOTE: ( not what we want)Energy in form of electromagnetic wave can also travel between point
A and point B as regular electromagnetic wave but than inverse square law ,antennas, impedances and transmission lines applies
we are excluding it from this study and we are not interested with it at all - unless we need it as a comparison.
Wesley
please start to read from here :https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg579484/#msg579484 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg579484/#msg579484)
Part 3
propagation - of the wave
The path taken by the wave to travel from the transmitter Tx and reach the receiver Rx is known as Wave Propagation
the same is with waveguide and interface is a special form of a waveguide.
Goubau line shown in picture in Part 1 192002/image// (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/192002/image//) is made from wire covered with dielectric ( e.g Teflon)
this is also a form of an interface that belongs to waveguides.
Electromagnetic wave travels in the 2D space between wire ( conductive medium) and Teflon ( the dielectric)
https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/BIW2012/papers/tupg007.pdf (https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/BIW2012/papers/tupg007.pdf)
When we deal with regular telephone line or electrical power line we have likely AC there but
that AC can consist of two or more signals having different frequency .
these signals will not interfere with each other and will remind independent.
That is very important when we start to talk about PLC or PLCC.
At the end everything will come back to Tesla Coil and Energy.
I hope am not talking to much
Wesley
Wesley,
What an education you provide - an inspiration!
Thank you,
D2
Par4:
waveguide:
Imagine that you have a metal tube or other device confining and conveying electromagnetic waves
It can be compared to a water pipe- the water can only go inside the pipe;
If the pipe is flat, rectangular, line disc or look like double sphere with space in between - the water travels in every part of that space.
The same story is with waveguide that can have different shape and electromagnetic wave travels inside of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide)
Space between Earth and ionosphere is a waveguide too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93ionosphere_waveguide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93ionosphere_waveguide)
We with all living organisms are inside of that waveguide.
The electric and electromagnetic activity inside of that waveguide called also Schumann waveguide is explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances)
Waveguide made from Conductive and Dielectric material:
A very special form of a waveguide is a waveguide that doesn't have empty space inside and is made from conductive medium like copper and dielectric like Teflon
That structure looks like a wire with isolation on it. We may call that space between the two materials - the 2D space (two dimensional)
But for electromagnetic wave at suitable form( called TM mode) and right frequency this 2D space is an open highway .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goubau_line)
Yet another 2D waveguide is a e.g. aluminum foil on the floor. or grass. or soil that is conductive like wire and on the top of it is air that is dielectric.
So we have the very two materials needed to form our "flat" waveguide.
We don't need Teflon or other dielectric any longer as it is too expensive for us.
Earth is not so good conductor but still some sort of lossy conductor and we have Air that is a dielectric
And 2D space between the two is our highway for electromagnetic wave.
Summary:
Because - the space between Ionosphere and Earth is /makes( Schumann waveguide)
and 2D space between air and earth is another waveguide than we may try to move some energy e.g.
originated by lightning strike, to move to that second waveguide and than extract it from there and use it for ourselves..
If we are able to do it than we have our electrical Energy For Free
very exotic waveguide:
https://physics.aps.org/articles/v16/11
Wesley
Part5
Impedance:
Impedance exists only for AC and doesn't exist for DC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_impedance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_impedance)
That is why Thomas Edison lost battle with Nicola Tesla aver electricity
https://www.energy.gov/articles/war-currents-ac-vs-dc-power (https://www.energy.gov/articles/war-currents-ac-vs-dc-power)
tesla-vs-edison-compariso (https://www.livescience.com/46739-tesla-vs-edison-comparison.html#:~:text=In%20a%20shortsighted%20move%2C%20Edison%20dismissed%20Tesla%27s%20%22impractical%22,technologies%20that%20didn%27t%20have%20a%20built-in%20market%20demand.)
And everything is about impedance:
example:
longer wire - more resistance to DC and to AC too.
But coil , electromagnet, door strike, or relay made for AC has a lot less wire than for DC.
If we connect such AC relay to the same voltage but now DC we may burn it very fast because resistance
of it is to small.
Impedance is like a resistance but exists only for AC and when added to the small resistance of short wire
in that door strike it makes it together large enough.
Because resistance is always present and is steady factor for AC and for DC we call it REAL- component
Because impedance exists only for AC and is not easy to measure we call it IMAGINARY component
That impedance is made from two "subcomponents" capacitive reactance Xc and inductive reactance XL
Impedance depends from frequency and is highly reactive. That is why we call it reactance
So now we know that Transformer works only with AC mainly due to it.
https://www.explainthatstuff.com/transformers.html (https://www.explainthatstuff.com/transformers.html)
Impedance may need to be matched :
Example: metric bolt doesn't work with imperial nut.
You may try to screw it too but you will damage both.
So you need metric nut and these nuts have different diameter too.
Impedance is measured with Ohms .
If impedance of your Tesla Transformer is 250,000 Ohms
and impedance at the output of your generator powering it is 50 Ohms, we need to match it.= make both exactly the same (like that bolt and a nut.)
For that we need to use a Tuner.( it is often a matching transformer with switchable length of the winding XL and capacitors Xc)
.electrical4u.net/transformer/transformer-impedance-calculator/#: (https://www.electrical4u.net/transformer/transformer-impedance-calculator/#:~:text=Transformer%20Impedance%20%3D%20V%20injected%20%2F%20V%20primary,it%20is%20also%20called%20a%20short%20circuit%20impedance.)
Ferrite core (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrite_core) transformers are widely used in RF transformers, especially for current balancing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_line) see below (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_types#balun_anchor) and impedance matching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_match)
for TV and radio antennas. Because of the enormous improvement in inductance that ferrite produces, many ferrite cored (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrite_core)
transformers work well with only one or two turns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_types (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_types)
Summary:
So impedance applies to both the regular electric circuits like our electrical system in our house and to
electromagnetic circuits antennas waveguides and so on.
However the lower is the frequency the lower is requirement to match impedance of the circuits.
And frequency of our electrical grid is 50 or 60 Hz
Now we may think why Tesla, Dr James Corum, Kapanadze used so low frequency ??? ???
( simplified explanation) -Well the lower the frequency the lower are all loses and electromagnetic wave travels more far around the earth .
and if you use a waveguide than losses are really small.
I do stress that inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides..
Wesley
Part 6
practical advice about instruments and methods used to match our Tesla Coil, and other circuits may
provide answer Why our Kapanadze or SR or antennas, resonant circuits, etc. never worked
Coming up soon:
Wesley
Quote from: pix on June 29, 2023, 07:44:15 AM
Side question to you Stivep.
How Tesla receiver can efficiently tap to Shuman wave guide frequency as they are few Hz and even large Tesla resonator work in dozens kHZ range?
Cheers,
Pix
Schumann discovered resonances of the electromagnetic energy in space between ionosphere and air( - the boundaries)
This space forms a waveguide .
~7.85Hz is a fundamental frequency of Schumann resonance .
It is a minuscule amount of energy
-in the
free space per square m/ ft. or if our antenna is at
placed at any point of the earth surface( the boundary of that waveguide)
We can also look at it from the perspective of effects it can cause:
-one single Lightning can trigger lightning avalanche around the world.
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/gallery/schumann-resonance.html (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/gallery/schumann-resonance.html)
So how much of energy is needed to create lighting strike avalanche? hm? ??? ?
looks like a lot Yes? ??? ?
We may also think how much energy in total is in Schuman resonance.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/98JD02648 (https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/98JD02648)
Mechanism of electromagnetic wave propagation:For typical electromagnetic wave in -free space . (https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Free_space#:~:text=In%20classical%20physics%2C%20free%20space%2C%20sometimes%20called%20the,in%20practice%2C%20like%20the%20absolute%20zero%20of%20temperature.) Inverse-square_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law) applies.
it means : Any point source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_source) (tx transmitter) spreads its influence (electromagnetic wave) equally in all directions without a limit to its range obeys the. inverse square law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law)
An analogy:It is like giving equally to the crowd around $10millions - everyone gets just a minuscule amount of $.
But if you direct it into one direction the receiver Rx can see huge amount of it or amount of energy.
So energy of 2,000 thunderstorms that roll over Earth, producing some 50 flashes of lightning
every secondcan be calculated as certain amount of electromagnetic energy produced by it in total.
Than certain percent of it hits the earth /air interface -waveguide at the complex Brewster Angle and we can sense it or receive it.
Earth as a lossy conductor is a boundary of the second waveguide .
The typical way for us to measure or sense energy in the waveguide is to immerse probe in side of waveguide- like your finger in the water
Our Tesla coil is doing this job
You are immersed in the waveguide while standing on earth (-the one of the two boundaries of earth/ionosphere Schuman waveguide) so is Tesla coil instead of you.
Earth is also the boundary of another waveguide called interface Earth/air). For a probe to be immersed in that second 2D waveguide you need
special condition -so is Tesla coil instead.
Quote from: stivep on June 28, 2023, 06:41:31 PM
Part4: Summary:
Because - the space between Ionosphere and Earth is /makes( Schumann waveguide)
and 2D space between air and earth is another waveguide than we may try to move some energy e.g.
-energy originated by lightning strike, move to that second waveguide and than extract it from there and use it for ourselves..
If we are able to do it than we have our electrical Energy For Free
In reality we physically don't need to do anything. If that energy lands in our interface it is ready to use for us.
Every lightning is contributing every second to it.
Wesley
Not wireless but one wire still very interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TToFYXS3niM
Quote from: seychelles on July 03, 2023, 12:16:39 AM
Not wireless but one wire still very interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TToFYXS3niM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TToFYXS3niM)
Although is is an excellent comment- it should be here after all parts of my educational material for experimenters is finished I'm going to respond to this in my general conversation topic.
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg579709/#msg579709Wesley
Quote from: seychelles on July 03, 2023, 12:16:39 AM
Not wireless but one wire still very interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TToFYXS3niM
Thanks for the link Seychelles... very interesting.
D
2
THE PRIMARY OF THE TESLA COIL SHOULD BE MAKE OF A COPPER TUBE FILL WITH LOW PRESSURE CONDUCTIVE GAS.
SUCH AS ARGON AND NEON. FROM THE ETHERIC NET.
Let me give a little bit of my perspective on the single-wire theory of electrical circuits!
First: Modern electrical circuits do not transfer energy, but connect remotely "load resistors", in a circuit with a source of an eddy electric field - EMF. EMF is a surface effect for a conductor. three-phase systems are the same circuit, where the midpoints of the three phases of the source and load are at different locations. Just read the circuit diagram. In a two-phase system, with a common zero for two phases, the system has serious difficulties. It would be interesting to get information on how the paired and unpaired phases behave with a midpoint. One thing that is clear in such lines is the remote connection of the load to the EMF source, an electromagnetic generator in a closed circuit. With one phase in the circuit, the zero is shorted to ground to clearly lock that position in the circuit. Grounding is necessary to fix the function of one contact, electrode, etc. as zero, from an AC circuit.
Second: Transmission along a single wire, makes the capacitance of the electric field, from one point to another. Transmission along a conductor is only possible by an eddy EMF (alternating current). To receive an electric potential, you need a receiving capacitance at the other end. The accumulation of the electric potential of the field, is possible only in the form of a potential difference, which has the form of another system (direct current). To convert this form into alternating voltage, a convector is needed. From this we can conclude that in order to transmit over a single wire, the source and receiver capacitance must be taken into account, plus the transmission and conversion losses.
If anyone is interested, I sketched it out here. A thinking person will figure it out.
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/01/blog-post_11.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp.
AND THE PRIMARY SHOULD BE BI FILAR FLAT PAN CAKE SHAPE.
Quote from: stivep on June 29, 2023, 01:44:46 PM
Energy of 2,000 thunderstorms that roll over Earth, producing some 50 flashes of lightning every second
If that energy lands in our interface it is ready to use for us.
Every lightning is contributing every second to it.
Free Energy is just the energy that does not have to be paid for but it must come from somewhere
In other words if nature pays for this energy then this is Free Energy.
Thank you for your continued contributions and time taken writing posts, Wesley. Your effort and time is immensely appreciated by some of us here.
QuoteWhere does the energy come from ?
Quotewhere does energy come from
Quoteit has to come from some thing or some where in order to harvest it.
Quotenobody here know where the free energy come from, even though some people know how to make it.
Quotewhere does the extra watts come from
Quotethe energy has to come from some where
Here we have it clearly stated...
This additional energy in our open systems
comes from lightning constantly bombarding the Earth we live on.
You may read here entire topic or if you prefer Russian Language go here :
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559430/#msg559430
You may also start to read the first of 5 parts already posted starting from here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg579484/#msg579484
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 05, 2023, 02:16:22 PM
You may read here entire topic or if you prefer Russian Language go here :
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559430/#msg559430
You may also start to read the first of 5 parts already posted starting from here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg579484/#msg579484
Yes, the summary of your first five parts is posted above. Please continue!
Lightning supplies the additional energy of our open systems
and impedance matching allows us to harness this additional energy.As I understand it, this sentence is a summary of your five part post. Is this a correct single-sentence-simplification of all your posts, or is there another aspect of your five parts I was unable to effectively glean?
Appreciate you, Wesley. Have an awesome rest of the day!
LIGHTING DOES NOT CHARGE THE EARTH ENERGY POTENTIAL BUT DOES THE OPPOSITE.
IT DISCHARGE THE STORED ELECTROSTATIC POTENTIAL. IN THE PROCESS IT BALANCES THE EARTH AND IONOSPHERE
ENERGY POTENTIAL. IT ALSO INITIATE THE NITROGEN INTO NITRATE AND GENERATES TONS OF OZONE. SO IT IS THE SUN THAT CHARGE THE
EARTH ELECTROSTATIC POTENTIAL.
SO THE DANGER OF USING HIGH POWERED ENERGY TRANSMISSION WILL BE THE GREAT
POSSIBILITY OF CREATING EARTH QUAKES. THAT IS THE REAL REASON TESLA STOP HIS GREAT
wardenclyffe EXPERIMENT.