HE DESERVES RESPECT, OUR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND WE CAN ALL JOIN IN REPLICATING
THIS SIMPLE DEVICE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4
Some observations.
1. We don't know the exact lifting height of the 172 coins.
2. A long run time (maybe 1 hour ? ) will give a more accurate result.
3. An auto counter installed upon the lifter would give an exact count of the number of
times lifted in 1 hour.
Note...
It looks like only 1/2 (one direction) of the the back and forth motion of the
output is being utilized.
If this is correct, then the out put is actually 2 times more than is being shown in
the video ?
calculations
5.67 grams per coin, times 72 coins.
5.76 x 72 = 408.24 grams total lifting per stroke
130 lifts in 103 seconds = 1.262 seconds per lift
(from 5 minutes and 54 seconds to 7 minutes and 37 seconds in the
video = 103 seconds)
lifting height = 3/8 or 0.375 inch ? (approximation from video, could be way off)
should be measured / stated.
0.375 inch = 0.00952 meter
0.00952 x 130 repetitions = 1.2376 meters
... ... ... ... ...
102 grams exerts 1 newton
408.24 grams / 102 grams = 4.00 newtons
... ... ... ... ...
4 newtons x 1.2376 meters = 4.9504 joules in 103 seconds
4.9504 joules / 103 seconds = 0.048 joules per second
or
0.048 watts mechanical out put
and
0.01 amp x 4.2 volts = 0.042 watts electrical input.
... ... ... ... ... ...
Opinion
too close to call unless mechanical output is actually 2 times this 0.048 watts ?
nice job
With the magnet device running by way of the motor, the large magnet has a lot of mass inertia when the fiels align to lift the quarters. So the lift is hit with a bit of impulse rather than direct current into the motor that lifted the 10 quarters.. I see what he is trying to convey. That the device is able to output more than the motor can do alone. Would be interesting to pulse the motor only setup and have the cup reach an upward limit similar to the magnet device cups distance upward. The put all the quarters in the cup and time the input to make the cup emulate the same motion of the magnet device cup of quarters and see how much more energy it takes to accomplish the same motion as the machine. Seems the pulsed voltage would need to be a bit higher than the test voltages shown.
Kind of a Bedini concept by use of inertia to deliver output.
Mags
@ Magluvin
I agree.
Given that my guess at the height lifted is accurate (who knows),
the energy expended as acceleration against inertia,
would account for enough energy to make output O.U.
Also is not the" flip flop" action, under power during both motion directions as well ?
Also, the use of an eccentric pulley in the lifting would be a more efficient output mode.
Raymond may have designed a mechanisem that transfers the 3 to 1 sheer to push pull advantage. The inertia Magluvin and Floor refer to engage like a spring storing power at the gate. I believe Raymond has achieved Overunity. Ray states that his 5th Angled Generator cuts the input twice. 8 would reduce to 2. That would equate to 6 to 2 or 3 to 1.
In the end he inputs 1 part and 3 parts return. Original input Halved twice.
JUST A WILD AND POSSIBLE IDEA. THE FLIPPERS CAN BE ALSO INSIDE THE ROTOR.
HENCE INCREASING THE OUTPUT.
Quote from: seychelles on April 04, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
JUST A WILD AND POSSIBLE IDEA. THE FLIPPERS CAN BE ALSO INSIDE THE ROTOR.
HENCE INCREASING THE OUTPUT.
Still gonna deliver 3 to 1 COP! Same as scaling up the original with stronger magnets.
CORRECT. BUT INSTEAD OF CONVERTING IT TO MECHANICAL
MY IDEA CONVERTS IT STRAIGHT TO ELECTRICAL.
Ray's Angled Generator should power itself simply by attaching a solenoid output coil and magnet. Ray demonstrates a solution by gaining the magnet pump advantage with one moving part!
AGAIN GOING CRAZY.
@Floor,
Have you ever tried sliding diagonally placed magnets by a stationary sideways magnet before like Ray does with his angled generator? He has demonstrated COP 3.
Quote from: seychelles on April 04, 2021, 02:25:36 PM
AGAIN GOING CRAZY.
1 flipper 4 times the size would do the same job. Magnet gauss equals power! Still COP 3!
I AM LIVING IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INDIAN OCEAN 4 DEGREES
SOUTH OF EQUATOR. CCP VIRUS LOCKDOWN. NO, I HAVE NOT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ANY GOOD
STUFF. BUT MY BRAIN SOMETIMES WORK.
YEP COP TO MOVE AN ANT OR A TRAIN. AND AGAIN TIME IS A BITCH TOO.
KWHOUR REMEMBER.
SORRY, I AM NOT TRYING TO IMPROVE THE COP BUT THE FUNCTIONALITY.
This amounts to an amazing discovery by Ray!
YEP, BUT WE NEED TO SUPPORT HIM FINANCIALLY. HE HAS PERSISTENLY
SHARED SOME SUPPER GREAT IDEAS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
If Ray connected a generator to self run his motor he could start his own power plant and turn into a very rich man. I will back him up if he succeeds.
Unless he doesn't close the loop so that it runs without external power he has proven nothing.
Quote from: synchro1 on April 04, 2021, 02:28:56 PM
@Floor,
Have you ever tried sliding diagonally placed magnets by a stationary sideways magnet before like Ray does with his angled generator? He has demonstrated COP 3.
I have some experience with this design @
https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg553381/#msg553381
But no,
Ray's design @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4 (this topic)
has I think, more similarity to a non O.U., GoToLuke design,
@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlDMY1iE5A
It should be borne in mind, that Ray's design, is SIGNIFICANTLY different from that
GoToLuke design.
Quote from: Floor on April 03, 2021, 10:14:15 AM
Some observations.
1. We don't know the exact lifting height of the 172 coins.
2. A long run time (maybe 1 hour ? ) will give a more accurate result.
3. An auto counter installed upon the lifter would give an exact count of the number of
times lifted in 1 hour.
Note...
It looks like only 1/2 (one direction) of the the back and forth motion of the
output is being utilized.
If this is correct, then the out put is actually 2 times more than is being shown in
the video ?
calculations
5.67 grams per coin, times 72 coins.
5.76 x 72 = 408.24 grams total lifting per stroke
130 lifts in 103 seconds = 1.262 seconds per lift
(from 5 minutes and 54 seconds to 7 minutes and 37 seconds in the
video = 103 seconds)
lifting height = 3/8 or 0.375 inch ? (approximation from video, could be way off)
should be measured / stated.
0.375 inch = 0.00952 meter
0.00952 x 130 repetitions = 1.2376 meters
... ... ... ... ...
102 grams exerts 1 newton
408.24 grams / 102 grams = 4.00 newtons
... ... ... ... ...
4 newtons x 1.2376 meters = 4.9504 joules in 103 seconds
4.9504 joules / 103 seconds = 0.048 joules per second
or
0.048 watts mechanical out put
and
0.01 amp x 4.2 volts = 0.042 watts electrical input.
... ... ... ... ... ...
Opinion
too close to call unless mechanical output is actually 2 times this 0.048 watts ?
nice job
... ... ... ... ... ...
self quote from above...
"Note...
It looks like only 1/2 (one direction) of the the back and forth motion of the
output is being utilized.
If this is correct, then the out put is actually 2 times more than is being shown in
the video ? "
... ... ... ... ... ...
Addendum.... maybe / maybe not
because we don't know how much using both motions would
affect the input power used.
Quote from: seychelles on April 04, 2021, 02:45:38 PM
SORRY, I AM NOT TRYING TO IMPROVE THE COP BUT THE FUNCTIONALITY.
Cool / understood
I like very much what Ray is doing here. Reminds me of the motion I discovered in 2010 when magnets are perpendicular to each other. Was very difficult for me to sleep that night thinking all I had to do the next day was complete the circle and around and around it would go on it own. Needless to say that didn't happen and when I tried to get it to work by alternating the magnets as in GoToLuke's wheel and rotate my "flipper" magnet to keep it moving along, I couldn't get past the "sticky" spot to my satisfaction to warrant further tests.
Rays device shows several advantages over anything I was thinking of back then.
Both Ray and Gotoluc demonstrate gain transfering rotary to reciprocal magnet motion. Kundel achived the same result and has been supressed by overtakers.
For the record ...
Ray (in his video) is hopeful of but has not at this time "claimed", a
gain in the device.
GotoLuc (of the device in his video, which I posted the link to) after review,
concluded that his method / device did not show a gain.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... NEXT
IF
Ray's device as presented, is in fact functioning at unity, (i.e. if my estimation of the
lifting distance of the 172 coins was correct)
and
Ray's electric power in, measurements are accurate.
then
1. Given that the driving electric motor functions at less than unity, his device
is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
2. If the pulley which lifts the coins were made to be eccentric, in such a manner as to
match the force change to distance change curve of the magnetic forces...
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
the device is exhibiting cyclic work from magnets.
3. When the energy expended to cause acceleration against the inertia of the coin mass
is taken into account,
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
his device is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
4. Even if my estimation of the height lifted is an over estimation, it remains to be
seen, whether or not the device is O.U. or can be made more efficient.
Ray's device and video @
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4
I'm not an expert, but I think my observations and calculations are correct.
Some observations. (with corrections, typo fixes and changes )
1. We don't know the exact lifting height of the 72 coins.
2. A long run time (maybe 10 minutes ? ) will give a more accurate result.
3. An auto counter installed upon the lifter would give an exact count of the number of
times lifted in 1 hour.
Note...
It looks like only 1/2 (one direction) of the the back and forth motion of the
output is being utilized to do lifting.
If this is correct, then the out put is actually 2 times more than is being shown in
the video ? But then again, using both of these motions will affect the input power
as well.
calculations
1 U. S. quarter dollar coin weighs 5.67 grams
5.67 grams per coin, times 72 coins.
5.67 x 72 = 408.24 grams total lifting per stroke
130 lifts in 103 seconds = 1.262 seconds per lift
(from 5 minutes and 54 seconds to 7 minutes and 37 seconds in the
video = 103 seconds)
lifting height = 3/8 or 0.375 inch ? (approximation from video, could be way off)
should be measured / stated.
0.375 inch = 0.00952 meter
0.00952 x 130 repetitions = 1.2376 meters
... ... ... ... ...
102 grams exerts 1 newton
408.24 grams / 102 grams = 4.00 newtons
... ... ... ... ...
4 newtons x 1.2376 meters = 4.9504 joules in 103 seconds
4.9504 joules / 103 seconds = 0.048 joules per second
or
0.048 watts mechanical out put
and
0.01 amp x 4.2 volts = 0.042 watts electrical input.
... ... ... ... ... ...
IF
Ray's device as presented, is in fact functioning at unity, (that is to say, if my estimation of the
lifting distance of the 172 coins was correct)
and
Ray's electric power in, measurements are accurate.
then
1. Given that the driving electric motor functions at less than unity, his device
is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
2. If the pulley which lifts the coins were made to be eccentric, in such a manner as to
match the force change to distance change curve of the magnetic forces...
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
the device is exhibiting cyclic work from magnets.
3. When the energy expended to cause acceleration against the inertia of the coin mass
is taken into account,
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
his device is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
4. Even if my estimation of the height lifted is an over estimation, it remains to be
seen, whether or not the device is O.U. or can be made more efficient.
Quote from: seychelles on April 02, 2021, 11:42:42 PM
HE DESERVES RESPECT, OUR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND WE CAN ALL JOIN IN REPLICATING
THIS SIMPLE DEVICE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4)
I too am deserving of your financial assistance and yes you all can join in so that I can build this technology and set it lose in our world. I've already went out of my way to show the actual science behind this technology, showed screen shots of voltages thought of as impossible being applied to a WFC, and so much more. All that is needed right now is funding and the technology will be completed in a timely manor.
Please your help is truly needed if this technology is to have a chance at breaking through all the resistance it is being given: https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me
The future of energy independence is in your hands
Quoteshowed screen shots of voltages thought of as impossible being applied to a WFC,
I can't do it. alternating current and high frequency are absorbed by water.
Constant voltage is unattainable due to high electrical conductivity.
I wanted to measure the capacity of the WFC I'm tired already.
Quote from: h20power on April 08, 2021, 01:25:09 PM
I too am deserving of your financial assistance and yes you all can join in so that I can build this technology and set it lose in our world. I've already went out of my way to show the actual science behind this technology, showed screen shots of voltages thought of as impossible being applied to a WFC, and so much more. All that is needed right now is funding and the technology will be completed in a timely manor.
Please your help is truly needed if this technology is to have a chance at breaking through all the resistance it is being given: https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me
The future of energy independence is in your hands
Greetings, Edward
I remember reading a few years back on some forum or something about someone donating a couple hundred thousand to someone working on Meyers tech. The person claimed that they donated the money and never got anything in return. Can't remember any names or where I read it. Does that story ring any bells?
@ seychelles
I hope you don't mind that I have posted this again.
Quote from: Floor on April 08, 2021, 08:44:22 AM
Ray's device and video @
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4
I'm not an expert, but I think my observations and calculations are correct.
Some observations. (with corrections, typo fixes and changes )
1. We don't know the exact lifting height of the 72 coins.
2. A long run time (maybe 10 minutes ? ) will give a more accurate result.
3. An auto counter installed upon the lifter would give an exact count of the number of
times lifted in 1 hour.
Note...
It looks like only 1/2 (one direction) of the the back and forth motion of the
output is being utilized to do lifting.
If this is correct, then the out put is actually 2 times more than is being shown in
the video ? But then again, using both of these motions will affect the input power
as well.
calculations
1 U. S. quarter dollar coin weighs 5.67 grams
5.67 grams per coin, times 72 coins.
5.67 x 72 = 408.24 grams total lifting per stroke
130 lifts in 103 seconds = 1.262 seconds per lift
(from 5 minutes and 54 seconds to 7 minutes and 37 seconds in the
video = 103 seconds)
lifting height = 3/8 or 0.375 inch ? (approximation from video, could be way off)
should be measured / stated.
0.375 inch = 0.00952 meter
0.00952 x 130 repetitions = 1.2376 meters
... ... ... ... ...
102 grams exerts 1 newton
408.24 grams / 102 grams = 4.00 newtons
... ... ... ... ...
4 newtons x 1.2376 meters = 4.9504 joules in 103 seconds
4.9504 joules / 103 seconds = 0.048 joules per second
or
0.048 watts mechanical out put
and
0.01 amp x 4.2 volts = 0.042 watts electrical input.
... ... ... ... ... ...
IF
Ray's device as presented, is in fact functioning at unity, (that is to say, if my estimation of the
lifting distance of the 172 coins was correct)
and
Ray's electric power in, measurements are accurate.
then
1. Given that the driving electric motor functions at less than unity, his device
is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
2. If the pulley which lifts the coins were made to be eccentric, in such a manner as to
match the force change to distance change curve of the magnetic forces...
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
the device is exhibiting cyclic work from magnets.
3. When the energy expended to cause acceleration against the inertia of the coin mass
is taken into account,
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
his device is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
4. Even if my estimation of the height lifted is an over estimation, it remains to be
seen, whether or not the device is O.U. or can be made more efficient.
oops, One more typo fix.
I'm not an expert, but I think my observations and calculations are correct.
Some observations. (with corrections, typo fixes and changes )
1. We don't know the exact lifting height of the 72 coins.
2. A long run time (maybe 10 minutes ? ) will give a more accurate result.
3. An auto counter installed upon the lifter would give an exact count of the number of
times lifted in 1 hour.
Note...
It looks like only 1/2 (one direction) of the the back and forth motion of the
output is being utilized to do lifting.
If this is correct, then the out put is actually 2 times more than is being shown in
the video ? But then again, using both of these motions will affect the input power
as well.
calculations
1 U. S. quarter dollar coin weighs 5.67 grams
5.67 grams per coin, times 72 coins.
5.67 x 72 = 408.24 grams total lifting per stroke
130 lifts in 103 seconds = 1.262 seconds per lift
(from 5 minutes and 54 seconds to 7 minutes and 37 seconds in the
video = 103 seconds)
lifting height = 3/8 or 0.375 inch ? (approximation from video, could be way off)
should be measured / stated.
0.375 inch = 0.00952 meter
0.00952 x 130 repetitions = 1.2376 meters
... ... ... ... ...
102 grams exerts 1 newton
408.24 grams / 102 grams = 4.00 newtons
... ... ... ... ...
4 newtons x 1.2376 meters = 4.9504 joules in 103 seconds
4.9504 joules / 103 seconds = 0.048 joules per second
or
0.048 watts mechanical out put
and
0.01 amp x 4.2 volts = 0.042 watts electrical input.
... ... ... ... ... ...
IF
Ray's device as presented, is in fact functioning at unity, (that is to say, if my estimation of the
lifting distance of the 72 coins was correct) .... note... typo corrected as 72 coins from 172
and
Ray's electric power in, measurements are accurate.
then
1. Given that the driving electric motor functions at less than unity, his device
is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
2. If the pulley which lifts the coins were made to be eccentric, in such a manner as to
match the force change to distance change curve of the magnetic forces...
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
the device is exhibiting cyclic work from magnets.
3. When the energy expended to cause acceleration against the inertia of the coin mass
is taken into account,
then also (and by consideration of this factor solely)
his device is demonstrating cyclic work from magnets.
4. Even if my estimation of the height lifted is an over estimation, it remains to be
seen, whether or not the device is O.U. or can be made more efficient.
THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE. BUT BY THE TIME WE DISCOVER THE REAL
TRUTH NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH WE WOULD HAVE JUST DIE.
SEYCHELLES. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK FLOOR.
The current draw of the device bounces between.01 and .02 it appears to me. Load/no load current draw.
If someone could verify this then if averaged out your looking at .063 watts.
Quote from: kajunbee on April 09, 2021, 07:47:20 AM
The current draw of the device bounces between.01 and .02 it appears to me. Load/no load current draw.
Definitely there is a fluctuation in amperage early in the video.
At 4 min and 35 seconds in the video, (once the full weight of 72 coins has been loaded )
the amperage has stabilized at 0.01 .
also
At 5 minutes and 03 seconds when output motion is manually arrested,
1. the amperage drops below 0.01 and
2. the rotating element begins to accelerate.
I would like to do a drawing of the device, but I'm short on time right now.
I seems that the maximum mechanical load upon the spinning motor, occurs when
the flip flopping magnets are in the mid range of their motion ?
Although Ray's device, is a mechanical device, it is an oscillating / resonating device.
(very, very low frequency).
In order for it to be efficient, it must operate at or near its resonant frequency.
(the load must be matched)
Would be nice if he had power supply with higher resolution display. At such low power 2 ma is difference between success and failure. I imagine it's closer to .02 than .01 if I were to guess. That's also provided your calculations are correct, which I'm in no position to doubt. I'm not and expert either.
Quote from: kajunbee on April 10, 2021, 08:57:18 AM
Would be nice if he had power supply with higher resolution display. At such low power 2 ma is difference between success and failure. I imagine it's closer to .02 than .01 if I were to guess. That's also provided your calculations are correct, which I'm in no position to doubt. I'm not and expert either.
Doing these calculations, isn't exactly rocket science, as they say.
Its just a matter of interest in the subject matter and then doing the home work.
But
Ya, a higher resolution in the power supply read out would be good.
milliamps (0.010) rather than hundredths (0.01) of an amp
deci 1/10
centi 1/100
milli 1/1,000
micro 1/10,000
nano 1/100,00
pico 1/ 1,000,000
A more precise measurement of the lifting height would be easy to do.
If the lifting height is greater than 3/8 inch, then the mechanical wattage
is greater than I guesstimated.
I suggest giving Ray more time and support.
I would be more skeptical my self, were it not for having seen work from magnets
by double the input and more.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9
How ever, this does not negate the necessity for good science here or jumping
to conclusions prematurely.
Good find by seychelles, nice build by Ray, but more refinement needed
in the measurements and then replication. I'm pretty sure Ray is already aware
of all of that.
Rays device / video here (the subject of this topic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4
444 views per day on average of this topic.
Largely by lazy surfers and coach from the arm of their chair boys.
With some tiny bit of good criticism / observation here as well.
.............
344 views of this video below, as of today
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x728wd9
Let see how many hits on it by tomorrow.
It's not monetized...
... ... ... ... ...
This is the / an, add on / modification of this post ...
444 average no of views per day x 5 days = 2220
but now its up from 2220 to 3323 views.
About 1,100 more views of this topic since the immediately above part was posted today
(week end), but only 30 new views of the video (on daily motion).
30 / 1,100 = 0.0272
Lazy surfers indeed.
I wonder if with different magnet geometry we can keep the "sticky" spot away from the flipper magnet and keep the useful part of the big magnet closer to the flipper?
Top view of a cylindrical magnet with the sticky spot where the poles meet cut out so the sticky spot is closer to the center and thus farther away from the flipper magnet. Green is a connecting metal rod as per Rays design to help reduce the sticky spot.
Right now Rays design is basically the opposite. The sticky spot gets closest to the flipper and the flat useful part is farthest away from the flipper.
Side view.
Maybe the main magnet is just a cylinder without chunks cut out of it. Just a big piece of metal flashing put over the pole to reduce the stickiness? Green part being curved metal plating over the cylindrical magnet.
I don't know. A single motor only lifts the load.
But the load in the installation on the right rises and falls.
Work in this case is zero.
Quote from: kolbacict on April 11, 2021, 07:09:35 AM
I don't know. A single motor only lifts the load.
But the load in the installation on the right rises and falls.
Work in this case is zero.
"But the load in the installation on the right rises and falls.
Work in this case is zero."
If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that the coins
fall after being lifted ?
One of his earlier videos address this question to some extent.
A ONE WAY RATCHET on the lift pulley axle would eliminate that
work out cancellation.
... ... ... ... ...
The flip flop magnets are under power in both directions.
Only one of those directions is used in his design.
Using both the flip and the flop, would double the number of times
the weight is lifted in a given time period.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Using both the flip and the flop will increase the load on the input motor ?
But I would wager that there will be an increase in efficiency, if the weight lifted is
decreased by 30 to 40 percent, BUT also both of these outputs are used.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Also as a note...
If functioning at or near unity, Ray's device is functioning in the conversion of
magnetic energy to mechanical energy more efficiently that is the input motor.
Hi Guys , can someone explain to me why this is OU . Has he not just made a more efficient way of lifting the coins using inertia? .I assume both motors were the same?
Also if he used some better gear reduction on just the motor setup and raised the same amount of coins to a certain height say 1ft and also calculated the stored potential energy of the raised weight and amount of power consumed to get to 1ft height ,then measure how much the coins are raised each time his machine rotated and again run the machine the time it takes to have lifted the coins the same amount , then see how much power was consumed by the motor and add the used potential energy as the coins are dropped each rotation (assuming the dropping of the coins assists in its operation) .Would this not then show if it was OU .
Quote from: muzzz on April 11, 2021, 11:08:40 AM
Hi Guys , can someone explain to me why this is OU . Has he not just made a more efficient way of lifting the coins using inertia?
Ditto.
exactly. I also thought about the ratchet wheel. or manually remove the coins at the top.
And then put it down below. Or, as suggested above, divide the consumption of the motor when moving up and down.
Ray's flipper is an inverse Kundel gear. Rotating Kundel's generator with an electric drill would deliver the same COP in the solinoid coil as Ray gets with his coins. Both the Kundel gear and Ray's flipper are powered in two directions.
Kundel maintains his generator is overunity. That may be true, in which case Ray's may be too! Kundel demonstrates his magnet gear power saw not drawing more amperage when a heavily forced load is placed on it.
Quote from: muzzz on April 11, 2021, 11:08:40 AM
Hi Guys , can someone explain to me why this is OU . Has he not just made a more efficient way of lifting the coins using inertia? .I assume both motors were the same?
Also if he used some better gear reduction on just the motor setup and raised the same amount of coins to a certain height say 1ft and also calculated the stored potential energy of the raised weight and amount of power consumed to get to 1ft height ,then measure how much the coins are raised each time his machine rotated and again run the machine the time it takes to have lifted the coins the same amount , then see how much power was consumed by the motor and add the used potential energy as the coins are dropped each rotation (assuming the dropping of the coins assists in its operation) .Would this not then show if it was OU .
Read the topic
@ muzz
I think you are referring to Ray's build, yes ?
Please be specific in your posts. It saves a lot of time
rather than going back and forth. Its considerate of
other peoples time that way.
The video's maker (Ray) has not declared this to be O.U..
I have not either.
I have said that Given certain conditions,
are true it would be work from magnets.
Call that O.U. if you like. I would.
And please read the topic, its pretty short.
If you had, your question would have been unneeded.
best wishes floor
Quote from: kolbacict on April 11, 2021, 02:10:44 PM
exactly. I also thought about the ratchet wheel. or manually remove the coins at the top.
And then put it down below. Or, as suggested above, divide the consumption of the motor when moving up and down.
Right on.
I think Ray is already on this stuff. He is just showing his testing and progress to date.
regards
floor
I'm thinking now it might work better with a cylindrical magnet that is tapered at the top and bottom. The taper helps make more distance between the flipper and the sticky spot. Side view shown. Green parts are Rays metal sticky spot reducer bars. This way there is no need for the strange cuts I mentioned earlier.
Quote from: kolbacict on April 11, 2021, 07:09:35 AM
I don't know. A single motor only lifts the load.
But the load in the installation on the right rises and falls.
Work in this case is zero.
Not sure what you mean. As Floor mentioned in his post "The flip flop magnets are under power in both directions."
Turn Rays apparatus 90 degrees on its side and the coins would get pushed and pulled side to side with the same amount of force. Doesn't matter what the load is on the flipper. The only load the motor will ever feel is the flipper getting past the sticky spot which will be a known, set value.
@ MagnaProp
The design is a strange bird.
I have had some modification ideas too.
But when playing around with a couple of magnets in hand,
those ideas didn't work out.
@Floor. A strange one indeed. If this pans out or not, it's good to know a Ray of hope is on the job.
Quote from: kolbacict on April 08, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
I can't do it. alternating current and high frequency are absorbed by water.
Constant voltage is unattainable due to high electrical conductivity.
I wanted to measure the capacity of the WFC I'm tired already.
The truly sad thing is I showed high voltage being applied to a water bath way back in 2013 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac and you people turn around and say it's impossible when I already done it? What's going on? Is this some kind of sick joke?!
I already did it and just need the funds to go the rest of the way.
Quote from: NdaClouDzzz on April 08, 2021, 03:32:53 PM
Greetings, Edward
I remember reading a few years back on some forum or something about someone donating a couple hundred thousand to someone working on Meyers tech. The person claimed that they donated the money and never got anything in return. Can't remember any names or where I read it. Does that story ring any bells?
I don't remember seeing anything like that but remember a lot donated to Russ back in the day and bypassed me when I was the one showing promising results, sad. Again here is a video of Gunther and I putting high voltage for the first time ever in a provable manor to a WFC for all the world to see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac
Yeah, I can't remember who it was, but they were claiming that they donated a couple hundred to someone working on Meyers stuff and they didn't get anything promised in return. That would suck! Thank you for your contributions to the techđź‘Ť
Quoteand you people turn around and say it's impossible when I already done it?
I'm not saying that it's impossible, I'm just saying that I haven't succeeded yet. :)
Good topic / sweet video and intrigueing device.
to quick start the topic
click below (this same topic)
https://overunity.com/18820/let-us-all-help-raymond-build-this-new-free-energy-machine/msg556513/#msg556513
floor
Quote from: kolbacict on April 12, 2021, 07:36:39 AM
I'm not saying that it's impossible, I'm just saying that I haven't succeeded yet. :)
Here's the problem I have with what you said. You admit you can't do it but move to stand in the way of someone that is doing it like me.
This technology is far from simple and very expensive to build correctly but without this technology the world has little hope of turning the tide on Global Warming as I just found out the other day they don't have enough raw material to be able to convert the worlds transportation system over to EV's. And to make matters even worse they have no solution for air travel.
For those that don't know it this water for fuel technology has very little friends as it even has the power to end entire grid supply systems as simply put they will no longer be needed if the technology is focused on providing the energy one needs at the point of use. And as far as I know it's the only one that can take on air travel.
Right now I need help and I am not to proud to admit it as this technology is on the costly side to build correctly and going into mass production with it is truly going to be a challenge. I do have a plan but without the proper funding it's going to take awhile before anyone is going to be able to get their energy needs solved by this technology freeing them from the world's energy enslavement system.
Most have no idea how much it cost the build prototypes and even have the false idea in their heads that anyone can build this technology if given a set of plans on how to build it correctly. Nothing can be further from the truth as that logic leaves a great deal of the earth's population out in the cold as most have never used a CNC machine in their life. This technology must go into mass production as that's the only way to drive down the material cost so that most people can afford to buy it. I didn't make the business rules as I'm just like all of you in that I too have to follow those rules the rich set in place with an aim on keeping the poor just the way they are for their entire lives. I just asking for a helping hand so that I can be more able to get this done at the right scale to make a difference.
Air-To-Fuel Technology is where I see things going. It is a drop-in replacement and it scrubs carbon from the air. You have to remember that the powers-that-be want to keep their gravy train, and this seems like it would do that for them. https://carbonengineering.com/air-to-fuels/ (https://carbonengineering.com/air-to-fuels/)
Do I agree with things the way that they are? NO! But for all intents and purposes, the powers that be are Gods on earth! NO ONE is going to be able to manufacture and sell any device that undermines their power and wealth! THEY decide want can be sold! Just look at any electronic device in your home. It had to go through tons of certifications before it could be sold to you. THAT is the power over us that THEY have!
h20power, your innovations will probably better serve you if you work with the air-to-fuel people to make hydrogen production cost effective.
That's just reality!
And then there is this: Earth Is An Oil-Producing Machine — We're Not Running Out https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/we-are-not-running-out-of-oil-earth-produces-crude/ (https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/we-are-not-running-out-of-oil-earth-produces-crude/)
Hydrocarbons in Deep Earth? https://youtu.be/j5movx6exNY (https://youtu.be/j5movx6exNY)
Quote from: NdaClouDzzz on April 13, 2021, 05:42:32 AM
And then there is this: Earth Is An Oil-Producing Machine — We're Not Running Out https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/we-are-not-running-out-of-oil-earth-produces-crude/ (https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/we-are-not-running-out-of-oil-earth-produces-crude/)
Hydrocarbons in Deep Earth? https://youtu.be/j5movx6exNY (https://youtu.be/j5movx6exNY)
You are wide away from "..... RAYMOND BUILD THIS NEW FREE ENERGY MACHINE" !
QuoteI don't remember seeing anything like that but remember a lot donated to Russ back in the day and bypassed me when I was the one showing promising results, sad. Again here is a video of Gunther and I putting high voltage for the first time ever in a provable manor to a WFC for all the world to see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac
Turn water into fuel ?
Job38:22-23
Why are there no such words in my Bible?
We have it written ...
QuoteHave you entered the storehouses of snow, or have you seen the treasures of the city?
Which I ceep for troubled times, or the day of battle or war.
Why are there no such words in (my) the common Bible?
Alternative in the book-of-books(biblia) to find :
::)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%202%3A1-11&version=NIV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%202%3A1-11&version=NIV)
;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ccZdp0bYdA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ccZdp0bYdA)
Hosianna,so high-higher -Hicks´lander-drive !
Glauben bedeutet den (ge-)rechten Weg (zu) finden ! Aaaaaamen-O
Good topic / sweet video and intrigueing device.
to quick start the topic / get too the actual subject of the topic
click below (this same topic)
https://overunity.com/18820/let-us-all-help-raymond-build-this-new-free-energy-machine/msg556513/#msg556513
floor
you guys are way off topic.
Good topic / sweet video and intrigueing device.
to quick start the topic / get too the actual subject of the topic
click below (this same topic)
https://overunity.com/18820/let-us-all-help-raymond-build-this-new-free-energy-machine/msg556513/#msg556513
floor
maybe it makes sense to combine the two topics?
Quote from: NdaClouDzzz on April 08, 2021, 03:32:53 PM
Greetings, Edward
I remember reading a few years back on some forum or something about someone donating a couple hundred thousand to someone working on Meyers tech. The person claimed that they donated the money and never got anything in return. Can't remember any names or where I read it. Does that story ring any bells?
Sorry for the late reply, but no I haven't heard of this before.
It's been almost a full year since this thread was made and right now I am just about ready to start a limited production on this water for fuel technology. What has happened to this guy's tech?
As I move forwards many of my long time haters will be wanting to become friends and all I have to say about that is, "Don't even bother." Even though some did willing choose to donate to my crowdfund most of the monies that went into this technology going into production came from me. Last year alone I spent over $4k just getting the materials and equipment I needed to go into a limited production with this technology and that same spending level has carried over into this year 2022.
In looking at this guy Raymond where has he gone? Are their any updates on his progress? Has anyone heard anything from him?
In the next few months I will be really moving forwards with the water for fuel technology having solved most of the science behind the technology long ago all what was truly needed was the equipment and materials needed to build this technology. On this site of 84,000 members only two chose to donate to the cause. That's 0.002% for those of you that love math. Needless to say the vast majority of you simply do not support my efforts to bring this technology into our world at a time when the world needs it the most. I will be taking over where Meyer left off but in my own way doing things as I see fit to do so. All but 0.002% on this site forced me to go it alone with this technology so don't think for one second you get to dictate what I choose to do with it or how I choose to roll it out. If it's control of this technology you want then you are going to have to do it yourself just as I had to do.
It's amazing what a years worth of time can reveal isn't it?
I hope this year brings hope towards ending the use of fossil fuels to get the hydrogen we need to run our many machines towards just getting that hydrogen directly from water. Only time will tell and show if this technology gets accepted by the masses this time around.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me (https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me)
RAY IS DOING SOME GREAT STUFF AGAIN. PLEASE BUY RAY A COFFEE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKsoEk2L_s&list=UULFVZmmMOhzhWEUamhGLPSTFQ
Quote from: seychelles on May 05, 2023, 04:34:20 AM
RAY IS DOING SOME GREAT STUFF AGAIN. PLEASE BUY RAY A COFFEE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKsoEk2L_s&list=UULFVZmmMOhzhWEUamhGLPSTFQ
Greatv-but what about the energy of the hammer wielder?
Quote from: seychelles on May 05, 2023, 04:34:20 AM
RAY IS DOING SOME GREAT STUFF AGAIN. PLEASE BUY RAY A COFFEE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKsoEk2L_s&list=UULFVZmmMOhzhWEUamhGLPSTFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKsoEk2L_s&list=UULFVZmmMOhzhWEUamhGLPSTFQ)
I see a power supply. I will buy him a coffee when it works without power supply. ::)
I BOUGHT HIM A COFFEE, HE HAS SHARED HIS GREAT IDEAS WITH LOVE AND GRATITUDE.
RAYMOND IS PROVING AN OVER UNITY EVEN IN HIS NEW VIDEO. THANKS AGAIN RAYMOND FOR SHARING.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehjeYGrGxqU
What's with the CAPS LOCK?
He is our VERY LOUD fisherman friend.
Where do you see a proof of overunity in this video ?
If the machine runs without input power, whis would be a proof of overunity.
Quote from: seychelles on May 07, 2023, 02:52:35 AMRAYMOND IS PROVING AN OVER UNITY EVEN IN HIS NEW VIDEO. THANKS AGAIN RAYMOND FOR SHARING.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehjeYGrGxqU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehjeYGrGxqU)
DUUUUR SKY DUUUR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixbLQlE3qfM
Quote from: seychelles on May 08, 2023, 12:37:00 AM
DUUUUR SKY DUUUR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixbLQlE3qfM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixbLQlE3qfM)
This is basically the same as letting a sphere rolling down a slope. But you can not close a loop, because somewhere you will need to 'lift it up' again.
Forget about magnets. Magnets are not a source of energy. Force is not energy.
DUUR SKY WHY DID GENIUS ELON MUSK PUT RARE EARTH MAGNET IN HIS TESLA ELECTRIC MOTOR. DUUR WHY.
SC. I don't think "Duuur" is a very intelligent argument or answer to a valid question.
I have seen others use a very similar V magnet setup to create a greater "push" in one direction before. He could not close the loop.
As far as I can see, there is no OU shown in either video. Crying OU without a loop is naive.
YEAH TASIER COACH POTATO, I GUESS NEXT YOU WILL BECOME A CAP NAZI YEAH. RAYMOND IS SHARING WILLINGLY
AND FREELY ENCOURAGE HIM AT LEAST. THE NEXT THING YOU EXPECT A FREE ROAST BEEF WITH MASH POTATO AND GRAVY TOO. DUUR.
Quote from: seychelles on May 09, 2023, 11:45:06 AM
YEAH TASIER COACH POTATO, I GUESS NEXT YOU WILL BECOME A CAP NAZI YEAH. RAYMOND IS SHARING WILLINGLY
AND FREELY ENCOURAGE HIM AT LEAST. THE NEXT THING YOU EXPECT A FREE ROAST BEEF WITH MASH POTATO AND GRAVY TOO. DUUR.
I would encourage him to do experiments which have a potential of showing anything new.
What is the point about repeating the same stuff over and over again, which has been done for decades or even centuries, without any success ?
Magnets will never be a source of energy. Try something new.
QuoteYEAH TASIER COACH POTATO, I GUESS NEXT YOU WILL BECOME A CAP NAZI YEAH. RAYMOND IS SHARING WILLINGLY
AND FREELY ENCOURAGE HIM AT LEAST. THE NEXT THING YOU EXPECT A FREE ROAST BEEF WITH MASH POTATO AND GRAVY TOO. DUUR.
No, I expect intelligent conversation, proper experiments and a correct understanding of what OU actually is. ...(removed).... I also expect people not to resort to lowest common denominator bigoted taunts because they can't come up with semi-intelligent or fact backed debate.
ADD: I just watched Ray's video #3 and #4. They are informative and interesting. In #3 He didn't claim OU, but inferred it possibly is. I like that approach. He did claim OU on #4, but without measurement or closing the loop that is a far reach.
AGAIN RAYMOND IS DOING SOME GREAT WORK FOR US ALL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCQ_s76tDY
MORE USEFUL EXPERIMENT. TO PROVE OU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL-ojtJ6KUM
AGAIN RAYMOND IS PROVING THE OU EVENT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JH30DLzJOM
Quote from: seychelles on May 11, 2023, 11:51:01 PM
AGAIN RAYMOND IS PROVING THE OU EVENT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JH30DLzJOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JH30DLzJOM)
Nope. Again, it's only a magnetic potential, like pushing something downhill. It will NOT work in a closed loop.
The ONLY proof of OU is a closed loop. Nothing else.
THIS TIME WE DID NOT FORGET THE GRAVY.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=WHERE+THE+GRAVY&bshm=bshwcqp/1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f87bfebe,vid:lErQFdq8viw
Quote from: seychelles on May 11, 2023, 11:51:01 PM
AGAIN RAYMOND IS PROVING THE OU EVENT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JH30DLzJOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JH30DLzJOM)
This one looks really good!
Nobody going to replicate this and try to loop it?
SEYCHELLES
I agree with user FreeEnergy, I like this one to.
Even though I have seen other attempts with designs that were a lot like this one.
I think I'll make a drawing that shows a way Ray can test this / give even better proof.
I'll post the drawing here, if that is ok.