What do you think after seeing the testing of this device, is it possible to achieve overunity? I mean is there a possibility that this device produces an output power greater than the power required by the driving motor? or is it possible that COP > 1??? Sorry, I haven't taken precise measurements of the current (Amperes) which I will probably do soon. Do everything once the device is finished , Please Watch Test video >>> https://dai.ly/x8bc108 (https://dai.ly/x8bc108) dont forget to subscribe
No this device cannot produce more power than you put into it.
Another Test supply for DC Motor 24VDC, Output Each Coil 50VAC , Spec : 0.3mm enamel copper wire, 19mm Iron E Core total Coil 3 Coil, Neodymium Dia 3Cm x Thicknes 1.7Cm
https://youtu.be/j20LUd5pgbg (https://youtu.be/j20LUd5pgbg)
Hope i am understanding this correctly:
You are driving with 2 coils and generating with the 3rd?
We can probably assume there is more power consumed during the active phases of the 2 drive coils
than is generated by the 3rd coil (constantly active).
This will manifest in the form of current, during the 'on' portion of the duty cycle for each coil.
Ideally they are pulsed 120-degrees apart with a 120-degree delay before the start of the 1st cycle again.
This makes it a 3-phase circuit, 2 drive phase and a generation phase.
A standard 3-phase driver circuit can be used, simply leave the 3rd wire open.
If the 3rd coil were generating equal or greater power than the other 2 combined:
The motor would show signs of slowing down.
Adding up the 'on' steps of the drive coils over a period of time
and averaging the current from the generating coil will give you a
good comparison point to begin your testing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jy_RIBCzUI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jy_RIBCzUI)
You are all racking your brain, and people claim that they have found a way to self-rotate.
And Mr. Rakarsky is also in our community. Let's all together ask to reveal the secret.
With call due respect.
The best concept in the world can't produce overunity as it doesn't exist.
I wish you the best.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on June 06, 2022, 03:07:48 PM
The best concept in the world can't produce overunity as it doesn't exist.
Wesley
Really?... ;D
Quote from: JackJohn on June 03, 2022, 03:26:44 AM
What do you think after seeing the testing of this device, is it possible to achieve overunity? I mean is there a possibility that this device produces an output power greater than the power required by the driving motor? or is it possible that COP > 1??? Sorry, I haven't taken precise measurements of the current (Amperes) which I will probably do soon. Do everything once the device is finished , Please Watch Test video >>> https://dai.ly/x8bc108 (https://dai.ly/x8bc108) dont forget to subscribe
Hello JackJohn,
Sorry, but if you do not know what your Amperage is...no matter if you make 1,000,000 Volts in output...High Voltage alone is like a blow of hot air...empty and goes away in milliseconds.
Amperage means current density, electron flow population, strength, "the juice"...
So, I highly recommend to do first than anything else...before spending more time on your project, to measure your amperage properly. Input versus Output.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 06, 2022, 03:31:18 PM
Really?... ;D
It is nothing wrong in being an idiot in some sciences.
I'm an idiot in chemistry when compared to my level in physics, electronics, mechanics,
My friend in science critical to himselves is not that much of an Idiot in math but he is outstanding in physics of electromagnetism
Hopefully some time in the future you will be able to say similar phrase about yourself
simple test.You can find me none - not even one credible scientific publication supporting your statement because:
1.overunity doesn't exist
2.overunity never existed and will never exist.
3.I assume that you don't understand the meaning of word overunity.over-unity (English) Origin & history over- (https://www.wordsense.eu/over-/#English) + unity- ("the number "1""), referring to the fact that
an over-unity device should produce more energy than it receives as input.
Coined to avoid patent rules that prevent impossible technologies such as perpetual motion machines being patented. https://www.wordsense.eu/over-unity (https://www.wordsense.eu/over-unity/#:~:text=over-%20%2B%20unity-%20%28%22the%20number%20%221%22%22%29%2C%20referring%20to,technologies%20such%20as%20perpetual%20motion%20machines%20being%20patented.)
(euphemistic (https://www.wordsense.eu/euphemistic/)) Free-energy; supposedly capable of perpetual motion (https://www.wordsense.eu/perpetual_motion/)
1994,
David Hatcher Childress, The Free-energy Device Handbook:
A Compilation of Patents & Reports, Adventures Unlimited Press (ISBN 9780932813244), page 90
Look for the"over-unity" ratio when calculating energy output versus input as a proof of free energy.
2007,
Florentin Smarandache, V. Christianto, Hadron models and related
N
ew Energy issues, Infinite Study (ISBN 9781599730424), page 96
The system behaves as an over-unity device producing energy from atomic hydrogen by a repeated
dissociation and recombination of hydrogen atoms.
MAHG tube contains a vacuum tube filled with hydrogen at 0.1 atm and cooled by water.
explanation:
Quotesystem behaves as an over-unity device
doesn't mean that system is an over-unity device.
Further verification can only reject any such statement.
2008,
Mark P. Silverman, A Universe of Atoms, An Atom in the Universe,
Springer Science & Business Media (ISBN 9780387227610), page 25
"The Potapov device," the experimenters reported ruefully, "did not show any evidence of over-unity performance in our tests. We can find no explanation for the failure of this Potapov device to perform as reported (300%
over-unity)."
however
FREE ENERGY = Energy for Free
-exists as long as
nature or someone else
pays for it.Wesley
... ;D
... ;D
Quote from: stivep on June 06, 2022, 03:07:48 PM
With call due respect.
The best concept in the world can't produce overunity as it doesn't exist.
I wish you the best.
Wesley
Wesley,
Are you absolutely positive about your statement here? With all due respect, have you investigated all possible means of electromagnetic interactions?
Someone once said "If advances in OU are made they will come not from scientists and engineers but from a commoner". Why, because they don't know it can't be done!"
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 06, 2022, 07:00:09 PM
WOW!!
First, you do NOT have to INSULT to explain whatever the FU..K your point is!!
SO YOU HAVE JUST OPENED DOORS SO I CAN RESPOND "ACCORDINGLY"...
The ONLY IDIOT HERE IS YOU,
Are you a PAID SHILL?
Or are you here to keep disappointing all researchers of Free Energy?
And so, you own a "LAB"?...
What the F..K for?...to play with wooden toys?
To show you are working on it?!!
Give me a FUC..ING BREAK, and get the F..K out of here!!
At first I didn't insult you.
At second you have problem with English.
I named myself
an Idiot with pride in chemistry , so to make it clear that it is nothing wrong
and is nothing to be ashamed of.
____________________________________
in link here:
look at:Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg567794/#msg567794) «
Reply #3713 on: June 06, 2022, 08:49:00 PM »
I made philosophical explanation of FE- Free energy concept for clarity.
There you have a column
called : patriotism -that in term of activity doesn't go along with
modern physics and sciences in general .
So assuming that your perception in English is limited
I'm explaining it to you in plain English.
Sciences don't care about patriotism in group of interest, hobby, orientation, religion or approach.
physics is not behind
emotions. Physics is the study of the interactions between the elements of information
Emotion is real, but it is not a force.
Emotion would not be a fundamental concept in
physicsYou calling for patriotic unity in approach to a goal.
The goal is
energy for free.So far everything is Ok.
But don't try to convince someone good in physics and bunch of other people that overunity exists.
e.g : if word "Overunity" was to be used as a name, - I'll have no problem with it.
Someone with possibly limited perception in English may require more explanation :
An energy-based model is a probabilistic
model governed by an energy function that
describes the probability of a
certain state,
In physics, a model (or idealized model) is a
simplified version of the physical system that strips away the unnecessary aspects of the situation.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on June 06, 2022, 05:50:31 PM
It is nothing wrong in being an idiot in some sciences.
I know perfectly well how to "interpret" a
highlighted and bold out text...to then "resume" in plain letters...
Quote from: stivep on June 06, 2022, 05:50:31 PMI'm an idiot in chemistry
And what the F.CK DO I care if YOU ARE AN IDIOT...in chemistry
?Quote from: stivep on June 06, 2022, 05:50:31 PM
3.I assume that you don't understand the meaning of word overunity.
over-unity (English) Origin & history over- (https://www.wordsense.eu/over-/#English) + unity- ("the number "1""), referring to the fact that
an over-unity device should produce more energy than it receives as input.
Again, You have no idea who I am...Nevertheless, you INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE...by
ASS-
U-ming I do not know what Overunity is...
Anyways...I will do what I always do with ASS-Uming people like U...
IGNORE THEMSo, my last post addressed to you.
END
Quote from: partzman on June 06, 2022, 07:38:59 PM
Wesley,
Are you absolutely positive about your statement here? With all due respect, have you investigated all possible means of electromagnetic interactions?
Nope, obviously He has not investigated absolutely nothing...
Normally you will find a lot of frustrated researchers of F.E and O.U, that all the sudden become the worst of skeptics...
Quote from: partzman on June 06, 2022, 07:38:59 PM
Someone once said "If advances in OU are made they will come not from scientists and engineers but from a commoner". Why, because they don't know it can't be done!"
Regards,
Pm
Not necessarily so...not necessarily a "commoner"...but someone who have an Open Mind, that have many, many skills, many tools and equipment plus the time to make it happen...and is a very experienced researcher and developer...as not necessarily a wood worker...but a real experimenter that uses Logic and Common Sense as his primarily gudance...
Someone who does not have to abide, comply and agree with all the material that other mere mortals have written and tought over time...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 06, 2022, 08:26:02 PM
I know perfectly well how to "interpret" a highlighted and bold out text...to then "resume" in plain letters...
And what the F.CK DO I care if YOU ARE AN IDIOT...in chemistry?
Again, You have no idea who I am...Nevertheless, you INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE...by ASS-U-ming I do not know what Overunity is...
Anyways...I will do what I always do with ASS-Uming people like U...
IGNORE THEM
So, my last post addressed to you.
END
Theoretical guy, with selfsame value never mentioned or in questioned by Wesley
reads a friendly supporting comment of Wesley who agrees, that yes,
there are 21 meaningless stereotypes, that are not true not right and assumptive. (link below)_Theoretical guy doesn't understand English well , and he gets wrong conclusion.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stereotypes-about-latino-men-dispelled_n_56003629e4b00310edf7db88 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stereotypes-about-latino-men-dispelled_n_56003629e4b00310edf7db88)
- in effect, we dealing with his emotion and perception, confusion, aggravation, accusation and reaction.
and we momentarily have on the table his voluntarily projected true nature,
manifested level of achievement
perception,
level of language used,
interactive tools,
social position,
Social Constraints
individual preferences,
emotional involvement (receive a return).
motivation
and so on.
Perfect material for psychologist . ( my wife graduated one of the best Universities in EU)
The audience that is reading his quoted post can judge by yourself and enjoy the show.In plain English:
1. physics doesn't have any emotions or feelings
2. I didn't insult you even with one word and my intention was to have peaceful interaction
3. I suggest you to study English or ask someone -more skilled for advice.
4. Yes you exposed perfectly well yourself , for professional analyst.
Wesley
for all masters who have taken the time to discuss in my posts, sorry I can't answer one by one, I need to explain a little about the concept of the device I'm building. it's true that everything seems very simple like just a dc motor and coil generator and hopes to get more power than the power needed by the dc motor, but actually it's not that simple because on these devices I will put ideas into it according to my understanding of free energy device knowladge that I have studied/learning for more than 20 years from the explanation of hundreds of FED Inventors And especially the knowledge of the greatest master of science and technology of all time Mr. Nicola Tesla.
We know that the killer/cause of overunity failure on a motor generator type Free Energy Device is the braking that occurs due to the Lenz Effect which results in an increase in the power needed by the driving motor to continue its work. and this Lenz Effect is what I'm trying to neglate using a few ideas.
1. Playing speed: the faster the rotation of the rotor, the braking impact due to the Lenz Effect will also decrease (the advantage is that the Freq increases)
2. Widening the gap between the magnet rotor and the iron core of the coil will also have an impact on braking due to the decreased Lenz Effect (but also lead to a decrease in the induced power)
3. Each coil will later get a diode bridge and a capacitor to store temporarily (not taking the output power directly from the coil) I believe this way will also reduce the strength of braking due to the Lenz Effect
4. If Device using Flywheel Than remember that "If the Flywheel rotation speed requirement is met then the moment of inertia will show its performance"
Sorry, the video on the Dailymotion channel was deleted, maybe I will upload it again on another channel
I really hope that the knowledge I share can be useful
Think About it
"Every induction of N and S occurs in the coil core = Volts & Amps, the higher the Freq / speed of rotation = the greater the power generated every second and I also need to remind you that the number of magnetic poles also affects the induction frequency because F=Number of poles x speed/120."
If you ask why my device has never been completed or finish ?
all because of my limited ability in terms of electrical,electronical and mechanical engineering, and financial limitations too.
Hopefully it can answer some of the questions of the masters.
the project that I'm working on, I'm still continuing and I'll try my best to finish it along with all analog or digital measuring instruments for volts and amperes on the power output and input sections
Quote from: stivep on June 06, 2022, 05:50:31 PM
1.overunity doesn't exist
2.overunity never existed and will never exist.
however FREE ENERGY = Energy for Free
-exists as long as nature or someone else pays for it.
Wesley
What about those machines that work to cool the environment?
Without the presence of an initial temperature difference ? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRjGm9G4ivc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRjGm9G4ivc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NON-75zaJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NON-75zaJE)
For those who haven't seen my project video, visit to my chanel and if you want, please follow it because I will use the Chanel especially to upload my All project videos. This link >>>
https://dai.ly/x8bghrn (https://dai.ly/x8bghrn)
Quote from: partzman on June 06, 2022, 07:38:59 PM
Wesley,
Are you absolutely positive about your statement here? With all due respect, have you investigated all possible means of electromagnetic interactions?
Someone once said "If advances in OU are made they will come not from scientists and engineers but from a commoner". Why, because they don't know it can't be done!"
Regards,
Pm
The right answer has nothing to do with, me or my analysis investigation and my involvement,- it was done by the laws of physics that we created, mostly during the last 300 years of advanced civilization.
Basic blocks of filters or models.
Quote-best physics model is a model that can describe all physical phenomena,
by its composition and structure, and situate it in a theory by its domain and organization.
https://physics.info/standard (https://physics.info/standard)
Repeatability is a measure of the likelihood that the answer is yes.
QuoteTo calculate repeatability, you conduct the same experiment multiple times and
perform a statistical analysis on the results.
https://sciencing.com/do-calculate-repeatability-7446224.html
QuoteWhile Maxwell's electromagnetism is an incredibly powerful theory,
it is a classical model just like Newton's gravity and general relativity.
But unlike gravity, electromagnetism could be combined with quantum theory
to create a fully quantum model known as quantum electrodynamics
Quote from: partzman on June 06, 2022, 07:38:59 PM
have you investigated all possible means of electromagnetic interactions?
electromagnetism is based on quantum electrodynamics.
https://futurism.com/understanding-quantum-mechanics-what-is-electromagnetism
(https://futurism.com/understanding-quantum-mechanics-what-is-electromagnetism#:~:text=While%20Maxwell%E2%80%99s%20electromagnetism%20is%20an%20incredibly%20powerful%20theory%2C,fully%20quantum%20model%20known%20as%20quantum%20electrodynamics%20%28QED%29.)
The summary conclusion:term-
"Free Energy" is not the same as term
"overunity"
where
"overunity"- is an absurd
"Free Energy" - is real, achievable, present, and absolutely normal.
____________________________________________
Understanding:is the ability to understand something; comprehension.
understanding in physics is actually understanding of physics.
https://www.aplustopper.com/understanding-physics
(https://www.aplustopper.com/understanding-physics/#:~:text=Understanding%20Physics%201%20How%20does%20a%20rocket%20fly,is%20based%20on%20experimental%20observations%20and%20quantitative%20measurements.)
_______________________________________________
perception:
right below we have an example of a gentleman present on this form whose ability to understand,
interpret and create a response in English language causes turbulence in the forum and points at his personality.
He sounds like he speaks English, but his response is inflammatory creating questions and conclusions.
"linguistic relativity" -answers the question
Question:
Can Language Shape Perception?
Explanation:
- language doesn't just express ideas, it actively shapes them, determining how we understand the world around us.
https://undark.org/2018/04/04/language-brain-cognition-perception (https://undark.org/2018/04/04/language-brain-cognition-perception/#:~:text=The%20idea%20that%20language%20can%20shape%20perception%20and,determining%20how%20we%20understand%20the%20world%20around%20us.)
example number one:Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 06, 2022, 07:00:09 PM
WOW!!
First, you do NOT have to INSULT to explain whatever the FU..K your point is!!
SO YOU HAVE JUST OPENED DOORS SO I CAN RESPOND "ACCORDINGLY"...
The ONLY IDIOT HERE IS YOU,
Are you a PAID SHILL?
Or are you here to keep disappointing all researchers of Free Energy?
And so, you own a "LAB"?...
What the F..K for?...to play with wooden toys?
To show you are working on it?!!
Give me a FUC..ING BREAK, and get the F..K out of here!!
example number twoQuote from: Ufopolitics on June 06, 2022, 08:26:02 PM
I know perfectly well how to "interpret" a highlighted and bold out text...to then "resume" in plain letters...
And what the F.CK DO I care if YOU ARE AN IDIOT...in chemistry?
Again, You have no idea who I am...Nevertheless, you INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE...by ASS-U-ming I do not know what Overunity is...
Anyways...I will do what I always do with ASS-Uming people like U...
IGNORE THEM
So, my last post addressed to you.
END
and he explains in just one sentence that what caused his reaction based on his inability to understand language he uses – English language.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 06, 2022, 08:26:02 PMyou INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE...
Dear Ufopolitics (possibly youthful in politics)
go to school, learn English, ask for advice, react and interact,
DEFINITION is explained here:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insult%20someone's%20intelligence (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insult%20someone's%20intelligence)
Wesley
Quote from: kolbacict on June 07, 2022, 01:07:41 AM
What about those machines that work to cool the environment?
Without the presence of an initial temperature difference ? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRjGm9G4ivc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRjGm9G4ivc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NON-75zaJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NON-75zaJE)
it is you looking at a local phenomena taking place in one part of the system.
Example:looking at the raising level of water in the bucket may look like a magic if
we don't know that at the bottom of the bucket there is a tubing,and water comes from another elevated bucket.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/262838/can-i-recirculate-water-from-an-open-reservoir-to-the-bottom-of-a-bigger-closed (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/262838/can-i-recirculate-water-from-an-open-reservoir-to-the-bottom-of-a-bigger-closed)
Refrigerator working principle.
A refrigerator works on the vapor compression refrigeration cycle.
There are four parts (Expansion Valve, compressor, evaporator, condenser)
you need to look at all of them and processes in all of them
Analyze this summary output of energy (as one) and take it as a resulting conclusion.
Wesley
Quote from: JackJohn on June 03, 2022, 03:26:44 AM
is it possible that COP > 1
Here is the answer:
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p
(https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=d65aa27c35633d584a0b9a8e59ea093ca86b96ca7117616cc29dcbbd002d3f85JmltdHM9MTY1NDU2MDAwMCZpZ3VpZD0xMTQ1N2YyMS1kNWFmLTZjMTctM2M0OS02ZTlhZDQ3NjZkY2EmaW5zaWQ9NTE2MA&ptn=3&fclid=11457f21-d5af-6c17-3c49-6e9ad4766dca&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucXVvcmEuY29tL0hvdy1kb2VzLXRoZS1jb3Atb2YtcmVmcmlnZXJhdG9yLWlzLWdyZWF0ZXItdGhhbi0x&ntb=1)
__________________________________________________________Forum I don't like much is hackaday.
My assumption is that is controlled by some Russians there as it is heavily altering, phrases
words, and meanings of responders that are not in line or criticizing mainstream.
However reading comments of haters, deniers, of energy for free is very much educative.
If you based on your knowledge have an answer to their comments, it only means
that you are educated in a given field of expertise.
Quoted below statement not only credited, opposition but also response
of those who didn't give up their own verification in area of energy.
https://hackaday.com/2016/01/25/overunity-free-energy-and-perpetual-motion-the-strange-side-of-youtube/ (https://hackaday.com/2016/01/25/overunity-free-energy-and-perpetual-motion-the-strange-side-of-youtube/)
Wesley
a
Here we highlight an issue with an international forum!
Language
How to interact with each other respectfully?
And still maintain our goals as outlined in our hosts mission statement!
Here we have a man asking for help (original poster "OP"(JackJohn)
And this man uses wording our host uses in his forum name !!
Which is now a sort of battle??
IMO we should shun negative interactions whenever possible ( in this case are we to reprimand our
Host for this confusion?( use of term overunity?)
OR....every member who writes the phrase ( in perpetuity??)
Also here we had helpful advice to gentlemen ...how to measure etc etc
And now it's a mine field?
Not proper or fair to him and others reading who may also have language barrier to overcome !
Now I also have issues with words perceived as insulting and members reactions
This actually is in violation of proper ( or walking fine line) forum terms !(TOS)
Once it becomes apparent ( it is perceived as offensive) it should be stifled !
This is exactly how flame wars begin ( our hosts term)
And MUST be avoided at all costs ( respect to our host and his house rules)
Ultimately we need to nurture the builders environment
so those completely lacking language skills can get a fair chance to get help here..
And share their work!
Which BTW is what we are here to do !
Please !!! tolerance!!
We need to work together... and for clarity Mr.UFO is one very determined experimenter/researcher
Who shares his work open source for many years !
Much more I could write here ...
Hopefully the message is clear enuff
Apologies to OP (original poster... JackJohn
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
I believe there may be a little cleanup happening here in near future ( remove off topic and ?
@stivep
Constructive criticism is always welcome. Were it not for the level-headed disbeliever,
many mistakes and oversights would run rampant.
I personally must disagree with your assessment. Not from a lack of knowledge,
but from decades of experience in the field of free energy research.
I have witnessed working systems that draw on the laws of physics to produce the
results we would consider 'perpetual motion', '0-point energy', 'free energy', or renewable from a
yet unknown source. All of these things exist, in various forms.
The science against it is more of a religion that anything based in fact.
The same physics that control a thermonuclear reaction can be performed in every area of science.
Sound, light, heat, physical vibration, emf, and other forms of radiation.
Gravity and magnetism can also be made to play a dance that never ends.
Capillary action can rise water against gravity of its' own nature, and tricked out of the tube at the top.
This demonstrates a literal gain in potential gravitational energy,
from the force of gravity and water tension.
Jet propulsion technology can be used to engineer nozzles that project fluid higher than the source pool.
Coherent laser light can be combined in-phase to produce a beam more powerful than the combined beams inputs.
Molecular catalysts can be used to increase the energy state of a chemical system, removing them leaves a state of non-equilibrium. And thus excess energy in a cycle that can be repeated.
We cannot simply dismiss an idea because 'no ideas can work'. This is not only a falsality, but is poor science.
Instead we must look at WHY it cannot work, and when possible, at ways that it Could.
This particular device however, unless there is more information not yet given,
I don't see it being possible to work.
There may be the impossibility of a superunit and the notorious law of conservation of energy, this is a consequence of the universal law of sacrifice. What does the bible say including, about the law of sin, punishment and sacrifice. Everything must be paid for, or for all must be sacrificed. Someone is now sacrificing himself, and the vast majority of people want only to gratify their ego.
p.s.
QuoteCapillary action can rise water against gravity of its' own nature, and tricked out of the tube at the top.
This demonstrates a literal gain in potential gravitational energy,
from the force of gravity and water tension.
about "tricked out of the tube at the top" I'm not sure.
The force that lifted her up, she will not allow the water to separate from the capillary.