The argument for pepetual motion
Perpetual- Lasting forever; never-ending, continuing or being so for an indefinitely long time.
Motion- The act or process of changing position or place.
Machine- A physical system of fixed and moving parts that performs a task.
The atom has fixed (Proton) and moving (Electron) parts.
An atom is in perpetual motion and it's parts cannot be created/destroyed or stop moving.
The atom also performs the task of being the building block of all physical things in the known universe.
By definition and for all intensive purposes the atom qualifies as a perpetual motion machine.
The problem seems to be that many choose to view things on a superficial level in a subjective manner.
They build a nano-machine made of a few atoms which performs a task and think it's the holy grail.
Where nature has been building machines from atoms into larger and more complex machines for billions of years.
It also helps to understand logic and reasoning to help spot obvious contradictions.
1)The conservation of Energy demands energy cannot be created/destroyed.
2)The conservation of Mass demands the atoms Proton/Electron cannot be created/destroyed.
If the energy and mass of the atom cannot be created/destroyed then it is by definition perpetual.
What do people think "cannot be created/destroyed" and "perpetual" mean?.
Which is where things get a little weird because anyone claiming "perpetual motion" is not real
obviously doesn't understand the conservation of energy and mass.
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg579115/#msg579115
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg579169/#msg579169
Wesley
Stivep
In my opinion your cherry picking terms and theories however it doesn't actually matter.
Even if your claims were true it still doesn't change the fact that whether the parts of the atom are orbiting or oscillating particles or wave/wave fields it still represents the motion of something on some level. Key word... motion.
Unless of course your claiming that nothing is changing/moving but then you would have to explain what energy is and how it could translate in a static universe where nothing moves. In effect, it's a fools game and something has to change/move, be it a particles, fields or waves. Here's a clue, something cannot change (to cause to be different) without something moving. Which is why all forms of energy always relate to change and/or motion.
This is the real problem... from ChatGPT
Question:if the universe expands and contracts in cycles is this not perpetual?.
Answer:if the universe were to expand and contract in a cyclical manner, with successive periods of expansion and contraction, it would not necessarily be considered perpetual motion. Perpetual motion, refers to a machine or system that can operate indefinitely without the need for external energy input.
As we can see someone has hijacked the term "perpetual motion" to mean a perpetual energy machine instead of continuous motion. Even more absurd is that they tied the fake definition of perpetual motion to an external energy input. Apparently they don't understand how the English language works. Perpetual means continuing or being so for an indefinitely long time. Ergo, I must reject there nonsensical definition as being false and misleading.
In effect, the conservation of energy demands that if anything loses energy something else must gain energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed ie. converted into other forms. There can be no more or less energy which relates to the change/motion of something be it particles, fields, waves or anything else. If nothing can be created/destroyed then it must be perpetual.
AC
In effect, we can establish that everthing is in perpetual motion because the laws
of conservation demand all matter and energy be conserved. They cannot be
created or destroyed and must be conserved.
From this first principal we can then deduce that everything we know is the result
of energy transformations or conversions. Thus we should move past the primitive notion
of creating or producing energy and focus on transforming it.
Of course, first one should understand what energy is.
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 11, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
In effect, we can establish that everthing is in perpetual motion because the laws
of conservation demand all matter and energy be conserved. They cannot be
created or destroyed and must be conserved.
From this first principal we can then deduce that everything we know is the result
of energy transformations or conversions. Thus we should move past the primitive notion
of creating or producing energy and focus on transforming it.
Of course, first one should understand what energy is.
AC
Nice challenge Thank You
onepower.QuoteA consequence of the law of conservation of energy is that a perpetual motion machine of the first kind** cannot exist ;
that is to say, no system without an external energy supply
can deliver an unlimited amount of energy to its surroundings.
Conservation_of_energ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#:~:text=A%20consequence%20of%20the%20law%20of%20conservation%20of,unlimited%20amount%20of%20energy%20to%20its%20surroundings.%20)y
Here is classification related to **
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion)
Closed system :
Quotecan exchange energy (as heat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat) or work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_work)) but not matter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter), with its surroundings
Motion of a machine or system or process described as perpetual somewhere (= at some place) in within a
closed system .
is not the same as energy conservation of that closed system.(- thermodynamics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_system)
And such open system allows work and energy exchange.
Isolated system :In physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics) chemistry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry) the
law of conservation of energy states that the total energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy) of an isolated system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolated_system) remains constant;
The universe
-is considered an isolated system because the energy of the universe is constant.
This matches with the definition of an isolated system, which is that energy is not exchanged with the surroundings, thus staying constant.
However for some sceptics it looks like the Universe boundaries are unspecified so is the presence of anything outside of it, nor its any possible interactions.
by that we qualify our Universe based on our point of observation.https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/281356/what-type-of-thermodynamic-system-is-the-universe (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/281356/what-type-of-thermodynamic-system-is-the-universe)
and please watch this video from Wikipedia :you can make it bigger by clicking at the
square icon on the right.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/3/3a/Something_for_nothing_%281940%29.ogv/Something_for_nothing_%281940%29.ogv.240p.webm (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/3/3a/Something_for_nothing_%281940%29.ogv/Something_for_nothing_%281940%29.ogv.240p.webm)
Wesley
A good argument for perpetuum work :
I take the Citroen AMI ( ~ Opel ROCKS) lease-plan
basic costs : 8500 €
entry : 950 €
and 20 € per month lease fee/tax
I take from the Stellantis-Group the Tesla Inc.(officially not owned by Stellantis is there by german law-view,through CO2-negotiation a type of "Beherrschungsvertrag",with responsibility/dependence),formerly Tesla Motors Inc.,formerly AC Propulsion Inc.
the robotics R&D result named 'OPTIMUS' ,look for its weight : 74 Kg material and the market entry price preview :
20 000 US$
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Bot
We know about the fast industrial price decrease f.e. video-record player( Grundig : 50 000 DM ),DVD-/CD player,solar cell modules/panels,especially under ' open source' condition = priority date utility : + 10 years ,technical - granted !-patent +20 years + the day after reaction :
- 90% and more from market entry price !
About future low cost robotics : Boston Dynamics,now in corean ownership,their patent list and priority date observation !
Clean robots,alibaba gross selling offer : 5 €/Kg
An 'OPTIMUS'-Bot for later 5 €/Kg x 74 Kg = 370 € each humanoid unit,MAXIMUS !
We can assume that we will see in future many estatal/private ' robot armees' ,cheaper than 'Fremdenlegion' and Wagner monthly member costs and efficiency !
But let us take the actual condition :
950 € + 240 €= 1240 € first year AMI lease costs
Financial relativity : 1240 €/8500 € AMI basic price = 0,146
'OPTIMUS' lease plan ,first year costs :
20 000 € x 0,146 = 2920 € by 8766 hours/year = 0,33 €/hour nonstop productivity costs !
Lower than the world-wide lowest official ' minimum income',Usbekistan : ' 159 US$/month' !
+- 1 US$/hour .
Tesla Inc. calls itself an 'open source'-company,but 20 000 US$/74 Kg is a ' closed source' 270 US$/Kg price philosophy !
Price/costs/worth comparison for transformated material :
Home depot heat pump,ic-genset,Renault KWID,TATA-F.I.A.T. Nano as motoric and fine mechanical mass production hardware : ≤ 10 €/Kg market price .
Let us estimate the preview 270 US$/Kg - at first- to 50 US$/Kg 'OPTIMUS' hardware price :
74 Kg x 50 US$ /Kg = 3700 US$ per unit ( gross selling discount ?)
50/270 x 0,33 € actual -first year- nonstop productivity costs : 0,1852 x 0,33 € =
' open source' -first year- 0,061 € ( 6,1 cents !) per hour nonstop productivity costs !
By 25 US$/Kg the comercial per hour benchmark becomes :
near 3 cents/hour worker=robot=operator costs !
A global german,corean(south),japanese and U.S.A industrial robotics patent review :
2030 is the closed/open source Kipp-point .
Agenda 2010 ,1€ job
Agenda 2030, ≤ 0,1€ job Industrie/-Service Gesellschaft,global
A.I. = Physiology
Mensch-Maschine Kybernetik und Robotik
Happy perpetuum life motivation wishing
OCWL
p.s.:
when by speed = 100 % the power is : 100 %
by speed = 200 % the power is : 800 %
is for speed doubling (rejector/reflector/concentrator/accelerator/multiplier ) 700 % power units in need ?
A.by "Hub-Kraft"-input
B.by "Zug-Kraft"-input
With-/out "Eigen-....." ,"Auto-...." )
p.s. II : ≤ 0,1 € production/transformation costs +Telemetrics gives us
10 $/ton CO2 scrubbing,
≤1 cent/KWh thermic/mechanic-kinetic/electric power,
low cost eco-/poly-tunnel desert vertical farming with f.e. 110 ton/ha wheat gain and a 'semi-closed water cycle '- installation with 90% ( minimum ) less water need !
With Moon-/Mars exploration R&D results we can explore 100% water-/ice-/sand-/rock deserts : on/in Earth!
With known deep rock drilling mining down to 100 Km and more deep : by laser/E.M.R. beam as mill head
Over 3 billion people have no access to clean water
Or a light switch (cars etc etc?)
1st things 1st
Or we appear as callous sadists , who sentence the less fortunate to poverty and despair!
FE
Those who fear it and hide it are the number one issue !
Quote from: ramset on July 13, 2023, 10:58:26 AM
Over 3 billion people have no access to clean water
Or a light switch (cars etc etc?) 1st things 1st
Or we appear as callous sadists , who sentence the less fortunate to poverty and despair! FE
Those who fear it and hide it are the number one issue !
It is very unfortunate that
-Energy can not be created nor destroyed,
-Free Energy is only the energy that is FOR FREE if not yet penalized with tax.
-Magnetic motors do not work as self powered
-Perpetual Motion and alike is an absurd according to modern science.
-humans are more concentrated on their own family future.
-and not many people are like Greta Tunberg( now adult)
_____________________________________________________
This is a reality of life.
The only solution to this is Energy conversion used today and that, that is not so much used yet, or not used at all.
My suggestion:If you see no external power coming into the device that works means it has external energy delivered but you do not know how.
If that device doesn't have it, than it doesn't work, or is using energy stored till it comes to rest.
Some forms of energy can be not noticed by the observer as it may be :
-electromagnetic,
-thermal,
-naturally the result of atmospheric processes of energy exchange,
like solar, wind, clouds, electrostatic and so on.
The first thing to do :- Do not invest and/or build the device , but look for
a possible source of an external energy powering it and compensating the losses.
The second thing to do:
- you are accumulating all possible knowledge in that given area including processes involved if they are known or
expected to be employed in the given concept or product or model. etc.
The third thing to do:
collect as much of an equipment to measure the processes involved as you think is necessarily.
Conclusion:You are never loser.
The education stays with you.
Equipment can be re-sold often with profit.
And for that money the new project measurement devices can be acquired if neeeded.
Wesley
But you did go to visit Kapanadze and obviously you believed in his magical device?
Quote from: stivep on July 13, 2023, 12:02:03 PM
-Perpetual Motion and alike is an absurd according to modern science.
This is a reality of life.
Wesley
Perpetuum mobile is not exist. Perhaps so.
It sounds like a doctor's verdict in an incurable disease..
And what will be done those who gave this 15 years of their lives ?
Just die ? :D :)
QuoteConclusion:
You are never loser.
The education stays with you.
Equipment can be re-sold often with profit.
And for that money the new project measurement devices can be acquired if needed.
This is not America for you. Equipment and instruments will go under the bulldozer.
Because nobody needs anything here. And your life, need not even more so.
Muammer Yulduz is a Turkish inventor who claims to have invented a magnetic motor that can produce free energy. He demonstrated a working model of his magnetic motor at the International Inventors Exhibition in Geneva in 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNq-ocTM9nM&t=515s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5K_wB-xsuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBXQpmgaJCY&t=330s
What is claimed is not proven! The question is what is proven and how it should be proven. Demonstration at the Geneva exhibition in 2013 is not proof, or for proof it is necessary to disclose the features of the technology to all kinds of moronic experts working for the system.
In June 2019 there was an attempted online broadcast of the inventor's fully autonomous magnetic motor driven electric generator. The broadcast lasted just under seven hours. The system reacted instantly. Two frightened organizers, with frightened eyes told about the breakdown, promised that it would be soon and evaporated from the information field. The repeated demonstration was closed.
Today the website of the company from Turkey has already disappeared.
The problem is not the evidence, but the business interests of a bunch of (...) who have the real power to control the energy market.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2020/03/blog-post.html
A magnetic motor is not a "perpetual motion machine", it has a cost and a resource that fuel sellers don't like.
OMaG ! a=atheistic ;)
A. clean/dirty water has nothing in relation with ' perpetuum motion' !
Here,an indian solution,30 Rupees ~ 0,37 US$,for 100 lt. each filter :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tqVIb4cls (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tqVIb4cls)
Compared https://alj.com/en/perspective/j-wafs-in-action-providing-safe-drinking-water-through-wood/ (https://alj.com/en/perspective/j-wafs-in-action-providing-safe-drinking-water-through-wood/)
and
https://sanakvo.org/ (https://sanakvo.org/)
Something bigger ,cloud/air humidity trap :
https://airhes.com/ (https://airhes.com/)
What will/can the thursty individual do to get drinkable,healthy,water ?
From the fiction movie ' Dune' and the water recycling distill suit to the U.S.S.R. space-ship MIR the 100%
water recycling system ,
similar https://www.jugend-forscht.de/projektdatenbank/computergesteuerte-abwasserreinigung.html (https://www.jugend-forscht.de/projektdatenbank/computergesteuerte-abwasserreinigung.html)
to 'pee to potable water '-projects :
https://www.google.com/search?q=urin+zu+trinkwasser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=urin+zu+trinkwasser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.philstar.com/business/business-as-usual/2002/08/05/170909/drinking-water-toilet (https://www.philstar.com/business/business-as-usual/2002/08/05/170909/drinking-water-toilet)
2002 prices below,2023 ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=philippine+peso+to+usd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=philippine+peso+to+usd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
Given economies of scale, the bigger the system and the more its client base, the lower the cost per cubic meter of iodized water. Based on Labuntog's calculations, a 100 cu.m. plant can sell its water to clients at P26/cu.m. while a 1,200 cu.m. plant can sell at P8/cu.m. In comparison, Maynilad Water Services Inc. charges P27/cu.m. and Manila Water Co. charges P14/cu.m. Disgust versus body-survival !
1,200 cu.m. plant can sell at P8/cu.m.
https://exchangerates.org/usd/php/in-2002 (https://exchangerates.org/usd/php/in-2002)
An 1 cbm per day private household greywater to whitewater recycling Labuntog system costs ,2023 ?
In situ near/net/off grid zero energy and near/net/off grid zero water building : autonomous !
B.the ' free' in ' free energy' has nothing to do with financial aspects !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_free_energy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_free_energy)
'free' means physics-chemically : in the atomic structure temporary UNBONDED !
With less understanding mistake/risc : non-/valent energy
It is a short micro-/nano-/femto seconds phase : recombination time ! Exciton !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciton (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciton)
Clearly there are (investment/construction) costs in energy trapping/converting/trans-/forming/ducing devices !
Costs,non-/financial : time,new/used/scratch material,transformation tools,thinking,skills
C. the ' perpetuum mobile ' versus atomic/nuclear decay time !
This is Becquerel/ Curie ' radio-activity' era ,
long after the royal french Academy their non-axiomatic thesis !
And by the academic members Earth-shadow limitation view-point ,without orbital 24/365 sun radi-ation/o-activity !
Orbital solar-farms,24/365 in work modus !
The Academy their members and royal ranking f.e.
Ampere : Duke/Duque/Herzog,also Laplace: Duke/Duque/Herzog
= beside royal academy membership,making part from the royal crown-council !
In the 18./19. century untouchable ( excluding : Marie-Antoinette and Louis XVI 'touching' scandal), the royal french/ several royal european academies their ' scientifical' views and decisions !
D. " perpetuum (radio-) activity " and AlNiCo(balt),Samarium,Neodymium ,
Lanthaniden,comercially also called " Rare Earths (minerals) " ,
wmbr
OC
Quote from: stivep on July 13, 2023, 12:02:03 PM
It is very unfortunate that
-Magnetic motors do not work as self powered
Wesley, why do you write this over here ??
It is a free energy research Forum !!!
Would you like to loose again your moderator status ??
stivep
QuoteIt is very unfortunate that -Energy can not be created nor destroyed,
I think the opposite is true.
Since energy is constant or perpetual and cannot be created or destroyed all we need be concerned with is how to transform it.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed only change the form it takes. If we can control which form it takes and when then we control the energy in the system.
QuoteIt is very unfortunate that -Magnetic motors do not work as self powered
I think what you meant to say is that you don't understand how it could work. Which is okay because many people don't understand how some things work.
The problem is when some people confuse there own lack of understanding as proof of something. It's a common fallacy and has nothing to do with science but more so our ego. As if to claim nobody can be smarter than us despite the fact other people are always learning new things and doing new things we cannot understand.
I like this quote...
"The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge" - Elbert Hubbard
AC
Эenergy is too broad a concept, even in physics: Potential, explosion, electric field, etc.
Let's take for example the concept of "magnetic field energy".
The energy of a magnetic field is proportional to the inductance (strength, other attributes) and the square of the current magnitude. During the transient process, when the current in the circuit is slowly increasing when switched on, magnetic energy is stored. This energy can be used to do work.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/emf-and-current-in-conductor.html
Okay, then how do we define the "magnetic field energy" of a permanent magnet?
A permanent magnet is a product made of magnetically hard material with high "residual" magnetic induction that retains its state of magnetization for a long time. Permanent magnets are made in various shapes and are used as autonomous (non-energy consuming) sources of magnetic field.
(I like this definition most of all, with the only clarification, not residual magnetization, but a running process of generation of magnetic flux. which tends to close in the Anapole state).
If we take an electric circuit, all the actions in the circuit of an electric circuit can be compared as a constant work of electromagnetic, magnetic or electric fields. If there are no vortex fields electric and magnetic around the conductor, there is no what we are looking for.
The electric circuit, electric field can not be attributed to the concept of "Eternal", but "permanent magnet" can be attributed to the system of magnetic field generator "overunity".
Hello,
' A permanent magnet is a product made of magnetically hard material with high "residual" magnetic induction that retains its state of magnetization for a long time. '
Condition :
Temperature( ambiental temperature=giga-oscillatons) dependent !
Barkhausen effect : common 'residual' magnetic force lining lost ! PM new ordered orientation programming !
Chaotic to lined to : let the PM falling : re-chaotic
grain domain orientation to compressed grains=block,cube,...magnetic force orientation
How many Weiss-Domains per qmm ? Material -specific density and self-/Eigen-frequency- dependence !?
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: ramset on July 13, 2023, 10:58:26 AM
Over 3 billion people have no access to clean water
Or a light switch (cars etc etc?)
1st things 1st
Or we appear as callous sadists , who sentence the less fortunate to poverty and despair!
FE
Those who fear it and hide it are the number one issue !
Hello ramset,
local ,where these 3 000 000 000 habitants are living,in work :
the grands,parents,sons/daughters, families(m./f. side) by first responsibility !
their own estate social helper/server,non/profit orientation
U.N.O. its several sectorial serving organisations : W.H.O.,U.N.E.S.C.O,F.A.O.,U.N.H.C.R.,.....
Churches missionaries,non-profit NGO's,Red Cross/Johanniter/.....
They are not alone and do not depend from overunity.com its forum !
Ultra-? low-cost ,100% human to 100% full-automated problem resolving
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tqVIb4cls (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tqVIb4cls)
37 cents divided 100 liters multiplied 2,5/per capita and day :
1 cent per day costs for clean water where a ' contaminated/dirty(grey-)water source' is available
This are 0,5% for a habitant from the ' 2$/day income/capita'-society
Let us assume Labuntogs year 2002 P26/cbm now -2023-pricely near P100/cbm
so we get 200 $cents/1000 liters x 2,5 liters = 0,5 $cent per day and 2,5 liters drink water need
0,25 % from 2$/day and capita income
Who is/should be concerned about this condition ?
Thousands of peoples works hourly for a 'Better World' ,there are monthly estatal/international expositions/conferences about the 'clean water serving'-sector
Competitions,challenges,....... with Prizes/Awards
World-EXPO all 4th year
Eco-Villages world-wide with lowest material use and/or re-use project
But later,after water,there is the land for food question(and land watering,natural/artificial),the housing,the mobility,health service,......
Basic to 'Luxus' hous-/e/ing life/living condition
Sleeping-/working-/living -room,bath-room,kitchen = T0 + separated living-room } total now T1+ extra/separated child-/s-room } total T2 + separated work-room } T2+1
One capita needs 2,5 liters per day water
We can get food with up to 27 000 liters/Kg in production process water input
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.analyticjournal.de/firmen-pdfs-bilder-etc/yumda/Warenvergleich-Juni%25202018/pi-04-2018-wasserverbrauch-lebensmittel.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiOhsyLuZCAAxUkUaQEHaUuAf0QFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw29SyHtn1FVffhE3Zal6i8V (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.analyticjournal.de/firmen-pdfs-bilder-etc/yumda/Warenvergleich-Juni%25202018/pi-04-2018-wasserverbrauch-lebensmittel.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiOhsyLuZCAAxUkUaQEHaUuAf0QFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw29SyHtn1FVffhE3Zal6i8V)
1 Kg meat = ≥ 15 000 liters water per Kg ( 27 000 liters /1 Kg cacao beans)
Quantitative more costly than this 0,25-0,5 % !
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: population density and water/-ing
Some years before was observed an Earth inclination change,
caused by Pacistan their artificial agrar fields watering
p.s.II : https://ourworldindata.org/region-population-2100 (https://ourworldindata.org/region-population-2100)
meat consume/capita 2023 and ? 2100
15 000 liters/Kg ~ divided 2,5 lt/capita = 6 000 habitants daily water demand resolved
1 Kg T-bone steak dirty secret !
1 Kg Fast Food Industry dirty daylife !
Quote from: lancaIV on July 15, 2023, 05:00:11 AM
Hello,
' A permanent magnet is a product made of magnetically hard material with high "residual" magnetic induction that retains its state of magnetization for a long time. '
Condition :
Temperature( ambiental temperature=giga-oscillatons) dependent !
Barkhausen effect : common 'residual' magnetic force lining lost ! PM new ordered orientation programming !
Chaotic to lined to : let the PM falling : re-chaotic
grain domain orientation to compressed grains=block,cube,...magnetic force orientation
How many Weiss-Domains per qmm ? Material -specific density and self-/Eigen-frequency- dependence !?
Sincerely
OCWL
Any generator has its own operating parameters. The magnetic field of a permanent magnet is not spent to do work. It is just that under certain conditions the magnet may lose its ability to generate the field. It is likely that if there is accumulation, there must be storage. An inductance coil does not store the magnetic field, it generates it.
QuoteDomain - a macroscopic region in a magnetic crystal in which the orientation of the vector of spontaneous homogeneous magnetization or the vector of antiferromagnetism (at temperatures below the Curie or Neel point, respectively) is rotated or shifted in a certain - strictly ordered - way, i.e. polarized relative to the directions of the corresponding vector in neighboring domains.
Domains are formations consisting of a huge number of [ordered] atoms and sometimes visible to the naked eye (sizes of the order of 10-2 cm3).
Domains exist in ferro- and antiferromagnetic, segnetoelectric crystals and other substances possessing spontaneous long-range order.
rakarskiy
QuoteOkay, then how do we define the "magnetic field energy" of a permanent magnet?
A permanent magnet is a product made of magnetically hard material with high "residual" magnetic induction that retains its state of magnetization for a long time. Permanent magnets are made in various shapes and are used as autonomous (non-energy consuming) sources of magnetic field.
(I like this definition most of all, with the only clarification, not residual magnetization, but a running process of generation of magnetic flux. which tends to close in the Anapole state).
Personally, I don't like those kinds of definitions because it gives no meaningful information and sounds superficial. Note, the supposed definition doesn't even tell us what a magnet is, lol.
My definition would be...
A permanent magnet is a material in which some of the electron spins have been permanently aligned in one direction. The charge of the electron moving in a circle produces a magnetic field at right angles to the path of the charge. Since the path of the electron charge is locked in place so is the magnetic field producing a permanent magnetic field. In theory, any material could become a permanent magnet so long as the electron spins could locked in place and the individual magnetic fields coordinated to act in one direction.
Do you see how that works?, I didn't give a near meaningless superficial description which sounds like a 6 year old. I described how the magnetic field was produced and why it is considered permanent. I then gave some context explaining why any material could become a permanent magnet.
If were going to answer a question then we have to give a coherent answer. Versus the near meaningless psycho-babble littered with complex terms we generally see which doesn't explain anything.
AC
Collage from ideas :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820715&CC=DE&NR=3048277A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820715&CC=DE&NR=3048277A1&KC=A1#)
https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetic+memory+effect&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetic+memory+effect&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
What is about switchable non/permanent magnetism ?
And/or (easier) coil-wrapped PM ,like showed by Flynn brothers
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951031&CC=US&NR=5463263A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951031&CC=US&NR=5463263A&KC=A#)
and here as ' closed em/pm magnetic circuit'
https://tesla3.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/zpe_hilden_brand_valve.gif (https://tesla3.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/zpe_hilden_brand_valve.gif)
PM can not storage ?
Polygeometrical : yes ,it can !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=24&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910409&CC=US&NR=5006672A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=24&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910409&CC=US&NR=5006672A&KC=A#)
The industrial permanent magnet in change :
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/02/neodymium-more-like-neo-dont-mium-new-magnet-uses-fewer-key-rare-earths/ (https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/02/neodymium-more-like-neo-dont-mium-new-magnet-uses-fewer-key-rare-earths/)
https://www.emobility-engineering.com/clean-earth-iron-nitride-magnets/ (https://www.emobility-engineering.com/clean-earth-iron-nitride-magnets/)
The neodymium used in the most popular rare earth magnets (NdFeB, for example) costs about $120 per kilo, while the iron and nitrogen used in Niron magnets are tens of cents per kilo.
2035 ,open source
Iron,Nitrogen Aluminium as coil material ,
later wrapped/evacuated Sodium/Natrium as electric conductor ,
PM in array configuration , double -ccw/cw - winding
2035 electric drive average gross selling market price : ≤ 10 €/Kg e-/pm rotative drive
Here,all the above material applyable,
permanent input
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1#)
permanent output ?
C.O.P. ≤ or ≥ 1
Compared : as cascading magnet circuit modul and conversion modul array
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=30&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030110&CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=30&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030110&CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A#)
Description :
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Therefore, by designing a specific magnetic path based on the AC power source to be used, its frequency, and the desired output power, it is possible to obtain an output power several times to several tens of times greater than the input power.
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p.s.: in today anti-matter disclosed science ( or not) relative to electron spin the positron spin
https://www.google.com/search?q=positron+spin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=positron+spin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
As well, a real definition which actually describes the thing it's supposed to opens up other concepts...
QuoteMy definition would be...
A permanent magnet is a material in which some of the electron spins have been permanently aligned in one direction. The charge of the electron moving in a circle produces a magnetic field at right angles to the path of the charge. Since the path of the electron charge is locked in place so is the magnetic field producing a permanent magnetic field. In theory, any material could become a permanent magnet so long as the electron spins could locked in place and the individual magnetic fields coordinated to act in one direction.
In this definition we can see that the only requirement to produce a magnetic field is that some charges move. A coil uses an electron current to move some charge in a circle while a permanent magnet locks the electron spins in place to move charge in a circle. If fact there is no real difference between a superconductor coil and a permanent magnet. Both reduce the resistance of the moving electrons so the magnetic field supposedly becomes permanent.
Here's a thought, why does everyone have a meltdown when I say "perpetual motion" but they think nothing of calling a magnet "permanent"?. In fact, perpetual and permanent mean the same thing so why all the drama?. Why do they have two different sets of rules for how they define something?. Maybe we should start calling FE devices "Permanent motion machines" which nobody seems to have a problem with. This is why it's important to look past all the false beliefs, false narratives and biases.
So we need to be clear the only requirement to produce a magnetic field is a moving charge usually attached to a charge carrier like a Proton or Electron. This is a First Principal which supersedes all other effects or concepts. Moving charges producing magnetic fields is the foundation on which everything else is built.
AC
There are speculations and there is science standing point based on models.
Forum forced policy doesn't reflect stated above.
When drifting to the left or right is done on the same highway of the one way road ,you still are going to arrive
at the same destination point my friends.
Unless you build the new cross section and new desired destination.
Little of the new light was posted here:
https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/msg580323/#msg580323 (https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/msg580323/#msg580323)
However it doesn't go against physics models -it only introduces new not available yet till now way to deal with magnetism
although I was researching it for quite few years .
Wesley
Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
In this definition we can see that the only requirement to produce a magnetic field is that some charges move. A coil uses an electron current to move some charge in a circle while a permanent magnet locks the electron spins in place to move charge in a circle. If fact there is no real difference between a superconductor coil and a permanent magnet. Both reduce the resistance of the moving electrons so the magnetic field supposedly becomes permanent.
Therefore, the permanent magnet is the key to understanding and the creation of high-temperature superconductors ? ;)
#1
Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
A coil uses an electron current to move some charge in a circle while a permanent magnet locks the electron spins in place to move charge in a circle.
Partial answer:
Magnetic Field: is the region around a magnetic material or a moving
electric charge within which the force of magnetism acts.Magnetic force: is the attractive or repulsive force that is exerted between the poles
of a magnet and electrically charged moving particles.
Electric force: is the interaction of either attractive force or repulsive force between two charged bodies.
Charged particle:is e.g. an atomic particle with a positive or negative charge, - as an electron, or an ion,
such as a molecule or atom with a surplus or deficit of electrons. Charged particles emit electromagnetic radiation
when they are accelerated. Electrons have low mass and experience greater accelerations than heavier particles.
Difference between forces:Electric forces are the forces that occur due to electric charges whereas magnetic forces are the forces that occur due to magnetic dipoles.magnetic dipole,
is generally a tiny magnet of microscopic to subatomic dimensions, equivalent to a flow of electric charge around a loop.When a charged particle
moves perpendicular to a magnetic field,
it experiences a force that causes it to travel in a circular path
So your statement should sound:
Reg #1: Magnetic field (in coil and in permanent magnet) only affects
moving charge if that charge is moving perpendicular to a magnetic field.
________________________________________________________second part of Partial answer:
#2Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
If fact there is no real difference between a superconductor coil and a permanent magnet.
Both reduce the resistance of the moving electrons so the magnetic field supposedly becomes permanent.
AC
A
superconductor:
is a substance/material that conducts electricity without resistance when it becomes colder than a "critical temperature.
Superconductivity:
is the flow of charged particles through a material without resistance
... (zero resistance)
The magnetic field is excluded from the superconductor, causing it to levitate and providing a perfect magnetic shield. (internal or external, due to the Meissner effect,)
But if we fix-position of superconductor than magnet on the top of it will levitate.
QuoteOne of the fundamental properties of a superconductor is that it "hates" magnetic fields.
If a scientist applies a magnetic field, the superconductor creates its own equal and opposite magnetic field.
https://www.anl.gov/article/the-magnetismand-mysteryof-superconductors (https://www.anl.gov/article/the-magnetismand-mysteryof-superconductors)
Mica is high temperature superconducting material ( above 77 K (−196.2 °C; −321.1 °F) but brakes when bend ( flakes off in pieces when scratched with a fingernail.)
so thin film with deposited mica is used for superconducting coils. (metal foil and mica are the most used "flexible" substrates)
So your statement should sound:
Reg #2:
superconductor "hates" magnetic fields and when temperature changes to higher it stops being one.
it is the flow of charged particles through a material without resistance.
But magnetic field from both the magnet and superconductor deflects charged particles, in the same manner.
Wesley
The most shocking answers:
#1
The honest answer is we do not know what a magnetic field is.
What we do know is that a Magnet field is generated by the motion of electrostatic charges
within the the magnet itself. The electric charges being electrons.
https://www.quora.com/Does-a-static-electric-field-interact-with-a-magnetic-field (https://www.quora.com/Does-a-static-electric-field-interact-with-a-magnetic-field)
#2
A magnetic field is a essentially a cloud of virtual photon "place-holders" in a state of flux;
it's what the electrons that produce the field "owe" to other nearby electrons (which have gained real photons),
for having their spin-charge moments aligned in the same direction.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/30517/what-are-electromagnetic-fields-made-of (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/30517/what-are-electromagnetic-fields-made-of)
Wesley
I agree that modern science cannot give a precise answer about the nature of electric and magnetic fields, which would be complete without mutual exclusions. But this in no way prevents engineers from building electromechanical, electrical, electromagnetic and magnetic devices. Produce such a device as a magnet, electromagnet and other components.
The electric field and magnetic field in the usual state of a dipole defining the poles of interaction. The electric field lends itself to such a function as "accumulation", but only in the state of a monopole or asymmetric dipole. The state of an electric dipole in equilibrium cannot be without external action by an electric monopole. Magnetic field has two states Dipole and Anapole (Anapole is a circular state of magnetic flux, example Guardian EDA) Magnetic dipole cannot be asymmetric, it is always symmetric. Magnetic field is the result of action, it cannot be accumulated, it can always only be generated. Since current force is an eddy magnetic field, electric circuits and magnetic circuits are based on the closure of magnetic flux.
I don't care much about the physicist's view, I am only interested in the engineer's view and decision on how to apply this to the design of devices.
rakarskiy
QuoteI agree that modern science cannot give a precise answer about the nature of electric and magnetic fields, which would be complete without mutual exclusions. But this in no way prevents engineers from building electromechanical, electrical, electromagnetic and magnetic devices. Produce such a device as a magnet, electromagnet and other components.
Well said, I always found it odd that many people claim something can/cannot happen because of the Conservation of Energy. As if it were something or a thing when it's only a theory. It's a good theory and I believe it's true but that's not the point. All experiments and observations should prove the COE is valid not vice versa. Ergo, starting with the conclusion then cherry picking facts to support it is not real science it is biased.
As you implied, in the real world Engineer's don't need to abide by any supposed rules of science they only need to prove something works. The demonstrable proof comes first then the science to support the idea not vice versa.
AC
I like the way both of you approach this.
If I may, I'd just like to add that the laws & theories we have today only describe 5% of the known universe as commonly understood. So-called 'Dark Matter' and 'Dark Energy' making up the vast majority of space.
There's plenty of room for new discoveries, new sources of energy to tap into - if we can only figure out how to do that! ;)
D2
Quote from: onepower on July 19, 2023, 11:35:45 AM
As you implied, in the real world Engineer's don't need to abide by any supposed rules of science they only need to prove something works. The demonstrable proof comes first then the science to support the idea not vice versa.
AC
Absolutely agree.
However patent office wants to know how you did it.
Kapanadze didn't know why it works but how to build it /
His application was rejected.
So if for example this transformer (toroidal transformer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPXtiJaSiKA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPXtiJaSiKA)
was popular enough in 50ties instead of this one:
https://edisontechcenter.org/Transformers.html (https://edisontechcenter.org/Transformers.html)
it would be cheaper now than regular one, using transformer silicon steel sheets
the same was with first microwave it was 50k and now is $120.
But for that Patent had to be approved. some time ago only
because they could explain why it works.
So any "magic" device presenting whatever (possible or impossible) needs inventor ability to explain it.
However in USA if you come to PO and put on the table working device , they must examine it.
and can not deny patent if it works despite your ability to explain how it works.
minimum paper work is required.
Wesley
Quote from: onepower on July 19, 2023, 11:35:45 AM
https://overunity.com/19511/the-argument-for-pepetual-motion/msg580348/#msg580348
The Law of Conservation of Energy is valid only for a closed system.
For example, a transformer is conditionally a closed system, a transformation with an index higher than 1 can not be. By the way, the magnetic field in the transformer is equal to the field of excitation of the input winding. And the output is not equal to this field, such a paradox. If the EMF of the output winding was calculated by the magnetic field of full hysteresis, as in a generator we would have a generator, as a result there is a completely different process, mutual induction between turns. All this I describe in detail and thoroughly in my work. I hope to complete it, some circumstances have opened up that even the combination of Berden and Flynn MEG I have in doubt. Or something crucial to fulfill the generator condition is not specified. It is necessary to check a number of engineering possible solutions, the decisive one should be simple and not visible for demonstrations as in Raselli1.
The GENERATOR is already an open system, generation is always with an index greater than 1, if we make correct calculations, the amplification goes through the magnetic field, which is amplified due to the properties of the core. And if we use permanent magnets, there is no cost for field excitation at all. Mechanical rotation of the rotor, it is a condition for the creation of rotation, field excitation cost part of the consciousness of the condition, not the mechanism of conversion.
And then there are all the patent offices under the hood of the system, and interested corporations.
Only open source code.
rakarskiy
QuoteThe Law of Conservation of Energy is valid only for a closed system.
It's debatable, if we have a box made of particles and fields full of particles and fields can it exclude particles and fields when all are already present and constitute energy?.
Do you see the dilemma?. Feynman/wheeler claimed even a cup sized volume of space in a perfect vacuum still contains enough energy to boil the Earth's oceans. Most other physicists claimed every space contains virtual particles popping in and out of existence which also constitutes an unimaginable amount of energy. Others claimed billions of neutrino's and other exotic particles are perpetually moving through every space thus all matter as well.
Which begs the question, when all the greatest minds in physics who often won a Nobel prize for there work claim there is really no such thing as a closed system should we believe them?.
AC
Quote from: stivep on July 19, 2023, 01:22:42 PM
Absolutely agree.
However patent office wants to know how you did it.
Kapanadze didn't know why it works but how to build it /
His application was rejected.
So if for example this transformer (toroidal transformer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPXtiJaSiKA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPXtiJaSiKA)
was popular enough in 50ties instead of this one:
https://edisontechcenter.org/Transformers.html (https://edisontechcenter.org/Transformers.html)
it would be cheaper now than regular one, using transformer silicon steel sheets
the same was with first microwave it was 50k and now is $120.
But for that Patent had to be approved. some time ago only
because they could explain why it works.
So any "magic" device presenting whatever (possible or impossible) needs inventor ability to explain it.
However in USA if you come to PO and put on the table working device , they must examine it.
and can not deny patent if it works despite your ability to explain how it works.
minimum paper work is required.
Wesley
Seriously ? What about Joseph Newman ? Rejected patent as his device being a perpetual motion machine.
I can tell you what would work: build it, teach others how to replicate, use it make everything open source and leave all academia to catch their heads while most of people can benefit in spite of gov/military/ whatsoever.
I really don't care what any patent office might say about an device that I can build to use any kind of energy that can't be taxed or measured as long as it work it will be enough to get only 1 in the open source and all this crap will vanish together with all thin credibility exhibited by outrageous unscrupulous individuals and organisations all around the world. And it will happen soon.
Although USPTO rejected Newman's patent application but they allowed this patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US11588421B1/en for describing some other inventors work.
Patent office lately have become an extension arm of some robbery society.
And I can see you Wesley being first to jump on defence for suppression of free energy with al kind of fake analyses and conclusions that twist the truth.
As to free energy and magnets, why couldn't an electron gun (filament as with vacuum tubes) emit electrons that are accelerated in a straight line by permanent magnets that increase in strength, one after the other, towards a conductive target. So, there would be increased voltage and heat freely created ?
It would be similar to a klystron or linear accelerator except without external electrical input.
Quote from: onepower on July 19, 2023, 03:20:25 PM
rakarskiy
It's debatable, if we have a box made of particles and fields full of particles and fields can it exclude particles and fields when all are already present and constitute energy?.
Do you see the dilemma?. Feynman/wheeler claimed even a cup sized volume of space in a perfect vacuum still contains enough energy to boil the Earth's oceans. Most other physicists claimed every space contains virtual particles popping in and out of existence which also constitutes an unimaginable amount of energy. Others claimed billions of neutrino's and other exotic particles are perpetually moving through every space thus all matter as well.
Which begs the question, when all the greatest minds in physics who often won a Nobel prize for there work claim there is really no such thing as a closed system should we believe them?.
AC
Philosophy and reality are very different things. We cannot use a very small period of time in the Universe (1000 years on earth) as a dimension for an experiment. In general we do not operate with the concept of multidimensional medium of space, we cannot control time and in general we are insignificant before what we study.
Our galaxy is expanding, it would not be possible, if the Law of Conservation of Energy is fulfilled!
rakarskiy
QuoteOur galaxy is expanding, it would not be possible, if the Law of Conservation of Energy is fulfilled!
It's problematic when many only look at one side of the equation of cause and effect...
For example, our Sun is a star and it will continue to radiate/expand energy until it turns into a red giant and explodes scattering all it's material out into the universe.
Which begs the question, if energy always radiates how did the star form in the first place?. Energy radiates but it also gravitates and the force of gravity brought all the stars material/fuel together initially. Thus a star is an energy converter, gravity brought the materials together starting the fusion reaction which is now radiating the energy it was given. This radiated energy is absorbed by other bodies which will eventually gravitate forming new stars and the cycle continues.
Do you see the pattern?, energy is always changing in form however the forms are cyclical. That which radiates at some point is absorbed and must then gravitate and repeat the radiation/gravitation energy cycle. This is why the conservation of energy must always hold. Thus the Conservation of energy can be defined by one question, if energy is radiated somewhere where does it go?. It just keeps going until it is absorbed by something else, ergo the Conservation of Energy.
Which of course always comes full circle back to the same old question... what is energy?.
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 20, 2023, 05:17:59 PM
For example, our Sun is a star and it will continue to radiate/expand energy until it turns into a red giant and explodes scattering all it's material out into the universe.
Which begs the question, if energy always radiates how did the star form in the first place?. Energy radiates but it also gravitates and the force of gravity brought all the stars material/fuel together initially. Thus a star is an energy converter, gravity brought the materials together starting the fusion reaction which is now radiating the energy it was given. This radiated energy is absorbed by other bodies which will eventually gravitate forming new stars and the cycle continues.
Do you see the pattern?, energy is always changing in form however the forms are cyclical. That which radiates at some point is absorbed and must then gravitate and repeat the radiation/gravitation energy cycle. This is why the conservation of energy must always hold. Thus the Conservation of energy can be defined by one question, if energy is radiated somewhere where does it go?. It just keeps going until it is absorbed by something else, ergo the Conservation of Energy.
Which of course always comes full circle back to the same old question... what is energy?.
AC
According to Dollard, there is no inside structure to the Sun, no fusion, it is not burning anything ("it doesn't have too, it's a converter"), only in the flares you get fusion, in the arcs. He believes that the Sun is a transformer that gets its energy from another dimension (or counter-space). You can look into the black holes on the Suns surface, that is all there is inside, darkness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o-piMW-Fg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o-piMW-Fg)
;) :D
We don't know much, we don't use the concept of adjacent dimensions, but the "universe" is multidimensional.
A good video (with a Russian narrator) is called "Materialization of Ether". I think if you put a translator, you can learn a lot of interesting things, events and facts that are silenced:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFg4UcX20O8
Darkness has a strong absorption pressure/force
Brightness has a strong reflection pressure/force
Planck and Stefan-Boltzmann physics !
The darkest black (industrial) and the brightiest light :
https://www.the-black-market.com/musoublack-vs-black3.0-vs-vbx2/ (https://www.the-black-market.com/musoublack-vs-black3.0-vs-vbx2/)
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.nature.com/articles/346802a0.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiP7bCSuZ-AAxV4TKQEHdwXCJ0QFnoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw2cuVv4JttLxLlMzBpeiNNK (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.nature.com/articles/346802a0.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiP7bCSuZ-AAxV4TKQEHdwXCJ0QFnoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw2cuVv4JttLxLlMzBpeiNNK)
https://www.google.com/search?q=black+silicon&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=black+silicon&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
Which maximal possible glasfiber to cell/modul/panel output per sqmm/sqcm/sqm ?
Without to overload the receiver/converter !?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DD&NR=272727A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19891018&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
Radiator/Emissor with 10v12 W/cm² lightfocus(point) , 10v3 = KW,10v6= MW,10v9=GW,10v12=TW
1sqm/m² = 10 000 cm²
By above Winstons concentrated Watt-peak : 72 W/mm² = 72 MW/m² and
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A#)
The design of the quantum well diodes for the reversible thermoelectric converter is a function of the application, and the effective temperature and intensity of the source of hot electrons. Several applications of the reversible thermoelectric converter are discussed below. In an example of a thin film metallic quantum well diode suitable for the conversion of solar energy concentrated up to 10@7 watts per square meter, layer 42 (FIGS. 2 and 3) is an evaporated aluminum film having a thickness of 140 angstroms, barrier layer 44 is evaporated aluminum oxide having a thickness of 12 angstroms and layer 40 is an evaporated copper film having a thickness of 100 angstroms. For this energy conversion application, metal electrodes are specified since amounts of power as large as concentrated solar energy can be delivered by the quantum reversible thermoelectric converter. The high power output capability results from the large electron carrier density of metals, which can be orders of magnitude larger than the most heavily doped semiconductors.
we will get dimple-simple RE/FE converter
by perpetuum solar motion = continuum
and worldwide light (global conducting fibre network) or converted light to electricity distribution,24/365 .
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QuoteAccording to Dollard, there is no inside structure to the Sun, no fusion, it is not burning anything ("it doesn't have too, it's a converter"), only in the flares you get fusion, in the arcs. He believes that the Sun is a transformer that gets its energy from another dimension (or counter-space). You can look into the black holes on the Suns surface, that is all there is inside, darkness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3o-piMW-Fg
In the video Dollard also claims the stars cannot be seen from space. In the link below there is a nice picture of the stars from space...
I think Dollard has been reading too many conspiracy theories. Here is a rational explanation as to why some pictures don't show the stars. https://www.iflscience.com/why-can-t-we-see-stars-in-space-photographs-38688
QuoteStars are very dim and the light reflected by the Earth and the Moon is just so much brighter. To take good pictures in space you need to have a high shutter speed and a very short exposure, which means our planet and satellite are clearly visible but the stars often can't be seen.
Concerning the Sun and dark spots, have you ever tried to take a picture of a cave from outside it in the daytime?, I have. It shows up as a black spot because the reflected light around the cave overwhelms the dim light from inside it. My theory is, when in doubt google it.
AC
Your are aware how stupis thiis shit sounds - right!
Maybe not! (Have a look at the Parker Probe)
Your are aware how stupid thiis shit sounds - right!
Maybe not! (Have a look at the Parker Probe)
QuoteWe don't know much, we don't use the concept of adjacent dimensions, but the "universe" is multidimensional
So to recap...
- Continuous or perpetual motion literally demanded by the Conservation of Energy is far fetched. It doesn't matter if nobody can give even one example of something not in perpetual motion, it's just silly.
- However many supposedly magical multiverses or multi dimensions leading to who knows where is perfectly fine and just common sense.
You know I may not be the sharpest crayon in the box but I know a contradiction when I see one. It's as if many are claiming we need to be realistic, stick to the facts, then lose there mind and jump down the nearest rabbit hole in spite of themselves.
AC
is this брехня?
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2014161057A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2014161057A1/en)
Perpetual motion machine of second order only exists on an absolute scale when you consider the whole of the cosmos.
Quote from: Nwakuche on November 09, 2023, 01:02:05 PM
Perpetual motion machine of second order only exists on an absolute scale when you consider the whole of the cosmos.
That is a common fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Wikipedia claims a perpetual motion machine of the second kind is a machine that spontaneously converts thermal energy into mechanical work. Which is absurd because thermal energy as jiggling particles is mechanical work (forces acting on "something" over a distance). What were talking about is converting many small mechanical motions or Heat into a larger observable mechanical motion. The second law is absurd because it displays a near complete ignorance towards what the term "heat" actually means.
Heat is not something it is a condition of something. Heat is a "measure" of how fast the particles of an object are jiggling. Which means heat is simply a measure of the average kinetic energy of the particles. Key word "kinetic", heat is a measure of the kinetic energy.
You see much of thermodynamics is bullshit because the concepts and laws were developed in the late 1800's before anyone understood what an atom is or how it works. Heat was thought to be some magical fluid and the mindset today hasn't changed much. 99% of people use the term heat and energy in a way which is essentially meaningless. On the most basic level everything is kinetic in it's nature as moving particles or EM fields.
Note how in the retarded wikipedia article they never explain what heat actually is. They talk like amateurs using bulk terms, generalizations or false analogies. They never explain that heat is the kinetic energy of particles and these particles are in fact in perceptual motion. The particles will never cease to be in motion, wtf do people think this means if not perpetual motion?.
AC
correction to my previous reply. It should be perpetual motion machine of the second order only exists on a local scale but does not exist on an absolute(non local) or universal scale
perpetual motion machine of second order exist on a universal level because the universe is an open system and is interconnected nonlocally by the ambient gravitational potential of all masses in the universal. So the universe satisfies all the conditions for a perpetual motion machine of second order. But on a local scale without the interconnectedness, such is not the case. This is in agreement with physics as we know it.
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Quote from: Nwakuche on November 12, 2023, 07:28:46 AM
perpetual motion machine of second order exist on a universal level because the universe is an open system and is interconnected nonlocally by the ambient gravitational potential of all masses in the universal. So the universe satisfies all the conditions for a perpetual motion machine of second order. But on a local scale without the interconnectedness, such is not the case. This is in agreement with physics as we know it.
NOTE: TO THE MODERATORS, DONT POST MY REPLY "CORRECTION" AS IT IS AN ERROR.
Okay, please don't flood the forum ! many thanks.Regards, Stefan.