A few days ago my daughter asked me why I spend so much time and energy playing with my toys.
All I accomplish is swamping signal reception and damaging my precious equipment.
I was busy treating myself for unexpedted RF burns from a device that shouldn't have an output.
Even though she has a more solid background in classical sciences I couldn?t think of a way to explain where she would understand.
A moment passed and outside a bird suddenly perched on a high-tension wire just outside my ?toy? shed.
I hated to do it to her since this would be a classic response from someone thinking he knows to someone he thought could not understand. I asked her a question.
Do you think that bird has any idea that he is so near death? If he made contact with two wires he would disappear in a puff of smoking feathers.
Her response was ? No. Why should he? All that matters is food, water, his nest and propagating the species.?
My answer was ?Exactly! If that bird had a need for energy of a kind that could not be produced by eating alone he could benefit from the knowledge that the difference between the wires was key.
She said, it still wouldn?t happen as all the bird knows now is what it has been taught and the meager experiences it has. The other wire doesn?t matter to it.
Are you a bird on a wire?
"despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
Grumpy,
I feel that as well.
I tell the wife I made a white object look pink without touching it and all she wanted to say was 'Have you checked the tires on the car lately? They need replacement.'
That was a real coversation with my kid. They all think I'm nuts and wish I would stop interfering with their radio and TV reception and just go to bed at a reasonable time.
At the time I wasn't even thinking of Tesla references to 'Bird on a wire'.
Quote from: Grumpy on June 21, 2007, 03:53:17 PM
"despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
Megga Ditto Grumpy & WaveWatcher. Same here.
Believe it or not I did work for the NSA.
My job was to find solutions for all types of problems that others could not understand.
All of us a a weird air about us. I sense that same air from SM info.
We were taught to think in symbology not in numbers.
Everything he says is symbolic and cryptic but it appears it should be taken symbolicaly.
Two separate currents travelling opposite directs in circular path on the same wire.
The path being shorter in one direction (Mobius interconnect between two coils) than the other.
The path infinetely long (Mobius again).
Tubes (coaxial).
Little electron subjects picking up party hungry electrons to join the fun along the way.
When I was a kid there was a test performed to test Einstein's Theory of Relativity. Three identical, sealed and perfectly syncronized cesium based clocks, one stayed in the lab the other two took separate journeys around the world by flight.
The first journey the two went the same direction around the globe. There was a noticable shift between all three but it was chalked up to some environmental effect.
The second set of journeys took the two equal distances around the globe but in opposite directions. The difference in syncronization was huge after landing. One clock was ahead of the lab clock the other was behind. I don't remember the details but it was deemed proof of the theory since the math followed it.
There is one formula linking all relativity (was it called the ghost formula?) that could not be defined or explained but it is accepted simply because 'it solves'. If that formula is actually a representation of how the speed of light changes from the viewer's perspective of time then it would still solve but it would cause a firestorm in almost all physic's subdiciplines.
The difference between potentials is the place where work can be done. If the same frequency is applied to both rings going both directions with separate signals and the rings are inductively coupled to propogate that signal back and forth between rings a multitude of spawned frequencies would emerge. Each taking the same path and spawning more of the same until the mechanics of the process could not support higher frequencies without serious attenuation.
This is used in GPS today. What is it called? Saganac or Sagnac effect?
The same is used in coaxial gyroscopes. (No moving parts)
This would explain overheating, reactive load problems, upside down failures, kick starts with refrigerator magnets and why I can't control my own device!
http://www.wbabin.net/babin/sagnac.htm
IT SOLVES!
@ Everyone
Yep, Special Relativity. SM said it, and I said it here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2300.msg33080;topicseen
Reply #146
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg35202.html
Reply #145
But not nearly as well as WaveWatcher has just said it. He has done it, experienced it and now posted it. We need to wake up....this is a double from our walk to first to third, to use a Mannix analogy.
BUT what I did not think about was the frequencies opposing one another. I had talked about AC opposing DC. I had talked about the frequencies going in different directions, but each in it's own wire.
So to produce power, you are inputing -7 -4 -1 harmonics, but putting the same signal opposing each other in the same coil?!! VERY INGENIOUS...
LISTEN UP EVERYONE:
This is how to grow our "baby" TPU to "teen years"!! Does everyone get it?? :)
@WaveWatcher
Thank you, my friend. You have saved us a great deal of time and R&D.
Warm Regards,
Bruce
RMF will cause time dilation, and inertia effects. Directions of rotation will add or substract - so is directional.
@wavewatcher
No I am not a bird on a wire. ;D Is our concept of time even right? We base the passage of time on our planets rotation and cycles. Had we been on mars would we percieve times passage as different than we currently do? so this brings us to another question. Is there a universal non-local frequency of time passage? I often wonder if Einsteins prediction that mass cannot exceed the speed of light is wrong. the equation of E=mc2 is erronious. mass was not involved in the experiment. it was an observation of light ::)
I think we will find that the speed of light is just another benchmark, like the speed of sound and much like sound with it's sonic boom. Light will have a relative effect, it will be mearly a bright plasmic glow in a full spectrum. talk about "unexpected RF burns" Best to be prepaired for that.. However the benchmark for time will be a more extreme frequency of change. Anyways the two benchmarks we will find are very different and only related through the means of achieving both.
A gyroscope with no moving parts LOL ::) Could that be why it is allways messing up on you? I can take it a step or two farther with opposing rings of a different nature.
@ Wave Watcher: You sound like one of my old friend at International prototype in Fla. If these guys get this thing assembled and start running it and it blows hahahah and that will happen! as mine did... hahahaha The Gooberment guys are going to bee pissed. Now i can use real Knives and Forks when i eat. now Joe Dirt knows why i pulled my post untill i could make it safer to test. Thanks Mike PS guys don't test this anywhere you value it has bad side affects hahahahah go for it !
One way to make it more controllable would be to send them down the same wire in the same direction, different frequency. The signals won't "collide" as often, and the effect you found will only happen once per "collision" as opposed to twice.
Maybe a bit safer for testing.
What's the best way to stop a pulse before it reaches the end of the wire? Give it infinite length, and short it out repeatedly at different spots along the path.
GK and I discussed exactly this concept a few weeks ago.
Anyone care to post a video of this monster? Just so we can see it in action?
Regards,
Rich
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on June 22, 2007, 06:18:42 PM
@ Wave Watcher: You sound like one of my old friend at International prototype in Fla. If these guys get this thing assembled and start running it and it blows hahahah and that will happen! as mine did... hahahaha The Gooberment guys are going to bee pissed. Now i can use real Knives and Forks when i eat. now Joe Dirt knows why i pulled my post untill i could make it safer to test. Thanks Mike PS guys don't test this anywhere you value it has bad side affects hahahahah go for it !
Hey M.C.
Have we thought about what we are doing to our local enviroment (living space)?
what I mean is, if we are creating scalar waves, a phenomenon I am told, is faster
than the speed of light simply because of the way it propogates. It can also change
matter itself (perhaps what the acients called alchemy) for an example, look at the
attached pic, It,s the familiar hutchinson effect on a bar of metal.
I look at that pic and all I can see is, stress, Misery, a lingering dread... this matter
has been altered. I,ve been reading a web page (url below) and this guy gives
some good reasons why one should be wary of trying to intrude on the fabric of reality
with these type of devices, there,s a lot more to this than we can imagine, what are
the side effects? I walk out to my shop and I get this depressed sensation, like dread
is in the local enviroment (or it could be i,m tired of winding these damn coils)
If scalar waves is the only way for this type of device, then I,m out, there is to much
evidence that proves the wrong frequencies, or the return signals that come from
the local enviroment, possibly farther away, can effect things in a very bad way!
If this is the "brass ring", then I,m dumping the idea and going to focus on hydrogen
cells, "watterhammer effects" with good'ol H2O and leave the matrix alone, cause my
name isn,t Neo and I can,t dodge bullets.
Read the website below, it,s very interesting + there,s alot more evidence on the web.
http://bob-dratch.org/#Part1
Hoping scalar is not the way
Dirt
LONG POST....
not sure if this is the right place, but here goes.
* Just How does the TPU work?
I've floated some ideas before - here is more.
Let's look at the possibilities:
1) earth's magnetic field
2) earth's electrostatic field
3) earth's gravity field
4) energy robbed from matter (does the equipment loose weight?)
5) energy of space (zpe)
6) energy of spacial expansion
7) energy of time
8) X the unknown
I'll try to assess these given the evidences:
a) a magnet is needed to start the device
b) a set of rotating magnetic fields is needed to run the device
c) the device stops if turned over
d) inertial effects (juddering) occurs when the device is moved
e) a pronounced gyroscope effect is experienced
f) the device becomes hot regardless of load
h) power outputs into KW have been shown
Realise that this is a set of opinions, not straight facts (hah!).
1) earth's magnetic field. No, the energy density of the magnetic field is tiny - and has a bad time moving a few grams of metal in a compass. I just do not see how this can put KW into a load. And how come no-one else has noticed the earth's field making stuff hot?
2) earth's electrostatic field (from ground to sky = several million volts). Well, a TPU is a few cm high and no-one has ever mentioned the importance of device height.
Yet the field coming up from the TPU might ?spiral? a column of static charge, forming a vertical tube of rotating electrostatic field. This obviously would not like being turned over.
How, though, could that give power out? If rolling electrostatic fields did that - then many devices could dump power. Such a tube could be formed, yet to my mind it does not have an excess of power to emit.
Plus the inertial effects. These are not known with electrostatic systems.
I'm going to say ?No? to this one - but will keep it in mind for-
3) earth's gravity field. Well, to make any inroads on this - we need a model for gravity.
I'm going to use Lew Price's ideas as they make sense to me - his idea is that gravity is a 2-parter:
1. an inflow (infall) of space towards mass (this is what etherists called ?entrained gravity?)
2. a funnelling effect i.e. compression of space-time as mass is neared (= curving of space).
Because the TPU is an electromagnetic device, I will also throw in another speculation, one which Einstein spent years trying to prove (he believed this - but could get no proof): Gravity is some sort of electrodynamic effect; somehow it is connected to electricity and magnetism.
Right: so G is inflall + funnelling + a kind of electromagnetic ?stuff?. Call that stuff ?ether?.
Now the TPU might work like this:
a) gravity makes space inflall down about the coil.
b) the rotating magnetic field spirals this (now we have a vertical rotating tube of space)
<nothing happens as yet>
c) the small magnet is introduced. The spiral is affected - it is offset but still ?rolls around? the TPU. The tube now behaves like spoon stirring space; it is lopsided.
Note: this gives the inertia and gyro effect.
Note: if ?g? is being modified, that would heat the material too - which comes from simple mechanical flexing, occurring at an atomic level as weight "blips".
Note: as a ?g? device, it will stop if turned over - it must be positioned to catch vertical gravity inflow.
All very good, but why is there power out? Well, perhaps the funnelling effect is also affected by the small magnet. That would change the curve of space - one side a bit more, the other side a bit less (I'm thinking that this needs a picture soon).
That sounds like a change which <assuming gravity is a electrodynamic effect> make electrons chase about the coil as the tube rotates - they will be wanting to stay in their favourite place (be it high g or low g, I can't tell). All this is speculation.
So - OK - what is the final source of power? Gravity.
Test for this - see if g is affected by the coil OR take the thing out into deep space. It should stop working. Also should be difficult to start when TPU is on side rather than flat.
For me, that's a pretty good explanation - it hits all the spots.
Next,
4) energy robbed from matter. Well this is in - as it is a possibility. So, does it loose weight i.e. Weight at start of run, run for hours, weight again. Is it lighter??
:( weight drop would be very very tiny. Matter having some sort of components taken might make the matter hot, but what about the other effects?
It only puts one tick in my box - the heating. Unlikely I think.
5) ah the fave of TV - ?space? or ?zero point energy?. I hope not!
In the 1960's Wheeler calculated that a cubic metre of space (just vacuum) holds about 10^75 Kg of matter equivalent energy - down at the ?zero point? or foam scale. Hm.
Well, that's 10^91 Joules of energy (compare that to a Supernova said to emit 10^42 Joules).
... No, I don't think the TPU is a zpe device. We're still here.
Any mistake with a working zpe technology and yielding say 10^-20 of what is there - might dump out energies still dwarfing a Supernova and rip out our end of the Spiral Arm - literally.
This is like misquoting Ghostbusters. ?OK, Important safety tip, guys - don't er build a zpe device.?
// so - perhaps Supernovas are not from stars, rather guys playing with zpe??
// very Stargate Atlantis.
6) Nice. The Universe expands. I've put this in as it is the single biggest unexplained energy anomaly known. Could TPU be tied to that?
Well. Perhaps as a hybrid. IF the TPU is rolling a lopsided column of space around, perhaps that column does not expand at the same rate as the rest of the local region. Well that could give heating effects, but I don't see how inertial / gyro comes in with that.
I do not feel I have a good grasp on this one, but as it does not seem to tick many boxes I'm going to say ?unlikely?.
But playing with compressions might be a way to understand peak pulse devices - compress a lump of space, then let go - in the meanwhile the Universe has expanded. You get out: the energy put in PLUS the bit of expansion that was going on whilst compressing space (that make sense?)
To access that electrically - means spacial pressure affects electricity; that would have to mean ?space? was made of charge. That is actually very plausible. Next....
7) energy of time. I have seen a talk by an astrophysicist which opened ?Space is Time is Energy is Matter? - in which he said this was all forms of the same stuff: Energy (whatever that really is).
Hm. So time is a form of energy and the TPU could be playing with that... how? To me this ties in with slowing up the spacial expansion thing, or slowing gravity infall. Perhaps that means .... time is an electrodynamic effect?
How to tell: Measure c under a working TPU :) with your handy MMX rig :(
8) The Unknown.
CONCLUSION: can't tell, but 8) or 3) Gravity looks good to me.
Footnote: what is the chirp for? Assuming 3) and gravity inflow is the cause, then the chirp might fold or roll-over the g flow, causing a knot or ball to be rotated around, not just a spiral.
Modifying the chirp modifies the way or amount of space folded into the ?knot? rolling around the TPU.
And that ties up with the vortex / tornado
I'll do a picture of the gravity idea.
Link: Lew Price stuff: http://www.softcom.net/users/greebo/main.htm
All theory stuff - all good fun!
Very nice idea Steve with the gravity scenario, and I like it.
However, there is only one small problem....SM said later on that the magnets were not required for the device to operate.
Darren
... just a loop to one side on DC would give the effect of holding a magnet.
I assumed when he said that no magnet was needed - was because he'd replaced it with a small coil (which does nothing except replace the magnet).
In the very first video he had the TPU * running but with no output * and explained that he had to put a small magnet to it, to get it to make power (the video which starts with his device in a briefcase on a chair)
steve
Yes good point Steve.
This could be the case.
Darren
Ahh I built a magnet motor that works just nice but the GF wants me to stop that and get a real job....
Enters Treadmill.....dies of boredom....
Quote from: 2012 on June 23, 2007, 01:48:17 PM
Ahh I built a magnet motor that works just nice, powers the laptop and is only 2 times as big as the laptops battery, but my girl friend complains that I don't have any savings and no real full time job (I work part time cleaning, I don't have to think about what I am doing, I can run on auto pilot there). Basically the laptop battery has been replaced with a magnet motor that generates a continuous 14 v that goes to 12 after rectification.. Talk about portable....
She has no idea what I am doing.
My parents where the same until I showed My Father, his jaw dropped, he wanted to show his business buddies....ya....
Hi 2012,
I hope you are not pulling our leg... or are you?
If not, you could share some more details ??
Regards
Gyula
Steve,
I love your thought process but expand on it a little.
What if you have two rings, each with a little different travel time in opposite directions - each having a simple induction effect on each other ( you ever stomped on a banana directly in the middle? )- each having the same little bump and an individual but opposite funnel.
And when it is all working at a frantic rate:
What would you see when looking down into the center of the mess?
What would you see when looking up into the center of the mess?
Instead of winding an output coil and taking your power from there - what if you instead connect one wire to each of the coils at just the right location where the difference is best - if there is a difference that is.
Personally, I think we would have an unsanctioned particle accelerator.
All in-fun of course. Trying to understand things like this is a blast - isn't it?
It seems obvious that SM didn't understand.
8)
Hi all..... z_p_e, it seems to me with extra thought that DC coil to replace the magnet is not needed.
Just blip one of the driving coils with a single pulse to get the same effect.
This would imply that the TPU has a specific start-up process - and does not run like that normally.
To make that clear, I'm thinking-
* TPU runs with rotating fields - which by themselves cause no output power,
* do a pulse to start up the "lump" and power comes out
Has SM ever said there was a specific start-up process?
I suspect that I have not read everything SM has said - and I also feel I'm getting confused - there is so much stuff here now.
steve
PS seen "It runs on water"? That has a few good quotes and shows how exacting people have to be to get their stuff believed.
@steve_whiss
When i talk about rings i am refering to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_armature as this is my invention and what you previously posted in theory and image is simular to the effects that are present in normal operation.
ok concidering that the ring i refer to is multipole. Every pair of fields should be treated as a seporate entity. you could look at them as single charged particles. traveling on a pre determined orbital path occupying all vectors of the path by form "toroid". It is only common sense that predicts that if we have a substance or pool of such substance (in this case aether, foam, goo, dark energy, ZPE, fabric of space-time, etc) that moving anything within that field would generate waves within and on the surface of the pool of said substance. Which is pretty much what your seeing here http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0074.shtml However in the form of a toroid all vectors are occupied there is no introduction or departure from any given vector within the substance traveling through. all vectors are occupied and there is no uncertainty of path.
The bullet is representitive of the charged particle in this case a set of permenant magnetic fields in lets say for einstiens sake "aether". However the path is orbital and wave propagiation is radial twards the pseudo axis on the inner radius and outward on the outer radius or rather event horizon. The inner waves of aether are focal twards the center of the ring and we are talking extreme velocity with multiple poles that's alot of aether bieng focused in a inverse manner the energy density will be extreme. However the old saying of you get nothing from nothing comes to mind. We really know that there is some force bieng effected here but for now we can only assume it is there. meaning that even a extremely focused amount of aether may not be enough to be visable or do harm in the physical sense. Yet we may be able to use it as a medium of motion in space.
@ring_theory
I believe you are completely correct. Steve appears to be thinking in negative Maxwellian terms. Perhaps like cross-field antenna? Steve are you one of those dastardly 3D thinkers?
One thing I have noticed is that everything is relative. Dare I say it? Including c.
And genius.
Genius is what others see when that little light is going off and on in your head and the resultant induction from the startup current and reverse current is numming their brain cells. ;D
? I'm not really sure of what "negative-Maxwellian" means there.
3D - perhaps, to a point :) I do get lost. But I can do a photon in my head (crossed fields of EM and BH waving in and out - the intersection is a point of event. So you end up with something which is all field yet has a locus - the crossing point)
What I'm really driving at is Conservation of Energy must hold - if there is energy coming out (from any device) then unless it really can duplicate the creation event it has to come from somewhere.
And there are so many places for it to come from! But basically -
Space
Time
Mass
Or a major embodiment - like the forces (electrodynamics, gravity, strong, weak) or perhaps some other known energy anomaly.
Why bother? Because if we can track down the source of the power - then designing the device (hopefully) becomes less hit and miss.
As far as Maxwell goes - in his day, aether was king. He imaged "twisters" of aether as being the carriers of electricity and magnetism - they even made up physical models which "worked" i.e. demonstrated mechanically how electricity, magnetism, permitivity, charge etc worked.
I'm sort of following his lead - if something goes - then there MUST be a principle making it work. Knowing that principle would be good to get things working better.
I'd be happier if the TPU made things cold - then we'd know where the energy was coming from.
ring_theory,
what is the motion of the fields about the small rings called, as it twines about the main ring? I have often wondered what the flexing-about-a-rolling-ring (like a smoke rings does as it travels) has for a name.
And I see no particular evidence for something harmful coming out other then RF - which can cook you or damage kit.
@Steve
If it grew cold you could understand where the energy comes from? By 'negative' I mean the reverse.
Do you think if the above scenario actually happened there could be a light shift and temperature gradient at the center of the magnetic vortices and magnetic torus?
Enough for a while. I was in the middle of some difficult field strength measurements when my daughter recited her entire last 48 hours, in great detail, using one breath.
The result was a massive headache. Or is that BEMF from all the other folk's lights going off and on?
:)
Quote from: joe dirt on June 23, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on June 22, 2007, 06:18:42 PM
@ Wave Watcher: You sound like one of my old friend at International prototype in Fla. If these guys get this thing assembled and start running it and it blows hahahah and that will happen! as mine did... hahahaha The Gooberment guys are going to bee pissed. Now i can use real Knives and Forks when i eat. now Joe Dirt knows why i pulled my post untill i could make it safer to test. Thanks Mike PS guys don't test this anywhere you value it has bad side affects hahahahah go for it !
Hey M.C.
Have we thought about what we are doing to our local enviroment (living space)?
what I mean is, if we are creating scalar waves, a phenomenon I am told, is faster
than the speed of light simply because of the way it propogates. It can also change
matter itself (perhaps what the acients called alchemy) for an example, look at the
attached pic, It,s the familiar hutchinson effect on a bar of metal.
I look at that pic and all I can see is, stress, Misery, a lingering dread... this matter
has been altered. I,ve been reading a web page (url below) and this guy gives
some good reasons why one should be wary of trying to intrude on the fabric of reality
with these type of devices, there,s a lot more to this than we can imagine, what are
the side effects? I walk out to my shop and I get this depressed sensation, like dread
is in the local enviroment (or it could be i,m tired of winding these damn coils)
If scalar waves is the only way for this type of device, then I,m out, there is to much
evidence that proves the wrong frequencies, or the return signals that come from
the local enviroment, possibly farther away, can effect things in a very bad way!
If this is the "brass ring", then I,m dumping the idea and going to focus on hydrogen
cells, "watterhammer effects" with good'ol H2O and leave the matrix alone, cause my
name isn,t Neo and I can,t dodge bullets.
Read the website below, it,s very interesting + there,s alot more evidence on the web.
http://bob-dratch.org/#Part1
Hoping scalar is not the way
Dirt
All due respect Joe, but bob dratch is a scam artist who puts others down ad hominem in order to promote his technology, which amounts to nothing but a rip off of other beta voltaic technologies. Besides, thorium will never be widely available. Ever. He drops names of guys like james randi who in all likelyhood would do the same damage to his reputation as he does to bearden's.
As for the environment argument, it's weak at best. There has never been a technology invented without a drawback or associated danger. Automobiles kill more people than guns every single day, and have since they were invented, save for during world war 2.
Think about that. Now if you count the damage they do to environment.... nuff said.
The TPU get's hot rather than cold, doesn't this at least narrow down the source of energy?
SM wasn't glowing green in his videos and he picked up the device with his bare hands - after checking for heat that is...
Harming the environment? Look at the garbage we create, the pollution, materials that will take a million years to decompose - BTW Hutchison used a lot more power to deliberately cause those effects.
Quote from: steve_whiss on June 23, 2007, 06:05:04 PM
? I'm not really sure of what "negative-Maxwellian" means there.
3D - perhaps, to a point :) I do get lost. But I can do a photon in my head (crossed fields of EM and BH waving in and out - the intersection is a point of event. So you end up with something which is all field yet has a locus - the crossing point)
What I'm really driving at is Conservation of Energy must hold - if there is energy coming out (from any device) then unless it really can duplicate the creation event it has to come from somewhere.
And there are so many places for it to come from! But basically -
Space
Time
Mass
Or a major embodiment - like the forces (electrodynamics, gravity, strong, weak) or perhaps some other known energy anomaly.
Why bother? Because if we can track down the source of the power - then designing the device (hopefully) becomes less hit and miss.
As far as Maxwell goes - in his day, aether was king. He imaged "twisters" of aether as being the carriers of electricity and magnetism - they even made up physical models which "worked" i.e. demonstrated mechanically how electricity, magnetism, permitivity, charge etc worked.
I'm sort of following his lead - if something goes - then there MUST be a principle making it work. Knowing that principle would be good to get things working better.
I'd be happier if the TPU made things cold - then we'd know where the energy was coming from.
ring_theory,
what is the motion of the fields about the small rings called, as it twines about the main ring? I have often wondered what the flexing-about-a-rolling-ring (like a smoke rings does as it travels) has for a name.
And I see no particular evidence for something harmful coming out other then RF - which can cook you or damage kit.
Conservation will hold. If we look at the laws of conservation we see that there are several qualifiers or laws. the laws of thermodynamics which is somehow included in many discussions about conservation. however they should be treated as seporate sets of laws. Conservation of energy is just that in a "closed system" to date mankind hasn't found that closed system to be truly conserved. we blame our failures on thermodynamics yet it is the lack of having a closed system that incites a thermodynamic reaction. To be truly conserved it would have to be a constant in a cyclic manner. however to be a constant in a closed cyclic system it would be a state of perpetual motion. the closed system the unification of transforming energy from one form to another in a manner that suits and supports each transformation so that it comes full circle supporting the original transformation. Mankind simply uses the first transformation for the work. in a closed system the work is used for the second transformation to support the first transformation.
if we do it correctly using Superconductance is the key to getting the super cooling effect desired. Mankind has achieved superconductance using chemicals. What mankind doesn't understand yet is that it can be achieved by reducing a pseudo flux field upon it's self.
I believe the term your looking for is torsion, torsional, and my own favorite teminology of "toroidal torsion". If you search the term toroidal torsion you'll find that it is not even toroidal in terms. However my thing is the toroid and what i say about it should be concidered as concrete. an experiment in toroidal torsion. a rubber o-ring (toroid) that fits in your palm. using both hands take and roll it between your thumbs and pointer fingers twisting the ring so that the inner radius is now the outer radius. if you'll notice it is resistive at first and than at a point it flips back to it's original molded form. that flipping or torsion is a release of energy you input by twisting or rolling the toroid form. in the case of a smoke ring there is no molded form so there is not much resistance. In terms of actual toroidal torsion there are two forms of torsion. Annular torsion ie spinninng the toroid around it's pseudo axis and twisting of the toroid in a manner as previously described.
Hello all
Thanks for your feedback, Sincerely! I put trust in your opinions and wisdom, I know
the majority of you know and understand what your are talking about, as an example
Kames posted this quick message:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.msg36694.html#msg36694
I was considering doing these experiments, but since he has already been down that
avenue (and I trust his opinion on it) then I won,t waste time doing R&D.
All of your opinions and combined talents is appreciated, not just by me but also
by the anon readers who are learning!
Thanks for the insights
Dirt
Quote from: steve_whiss on June 23, 2007, 10:33:40 AM
LONG POST....
CONCLUSION: can't tell, but 8) or 3) Gravity looks good to me.
All theory stuff - all good fun!
Hi Steve,
Does your conclusion also have an explanation for the fact that south of the equator the tpu works in reverse?. (As stated by Steven himself)
Personally I think only the earths magnetic field can explain that one.....along with the fact that SM is convinced it the earths magfield and that he explains extensively that it is possible to draw alot of power from what seems to be a weak magnetic, makes it the obvious choice.
btw have you seen marco's dancing magnets? If the schumann frequency (do you consider that the earths magnetic field?) was that weak how do you explain it?
regards,
Robert
Hi...
aha! That "works in reverse" is new to me.
That means plus and minus swap over? So TPU is run identically just output power is backwards?
Pls post a link or cite where this is... I would like to see / read this for myself.
At first thought that that would break the gravity idea. But - it could be he means "start-up needs the magnet reversed". Don't know.
Clearly I need to know more about what SM says.
I for one am not sure SM does know 100% where the power comes from; IMHO he is a clever and successful experimenter "tuning for maximum smoke" i.e investigate / analyze and work towards biggest effect.
Dancing magnets- Completely depends on the input power. The kicker coil has thick windings suggesting that many amps are flowing - if that was all with 5mA I would be impressed, but suspect more like 5A. In which case - the kicker coil is doing all the work. But I do not know what the current flow was.
Also need to know scale, weights etc. From my own experience balanced magnets (as seen) are very easily wobbled - and may well have a mechanical resonance at 7.8Hz.
Would be good to see a completely different set of magnets doing same thing.
I suspect that the total power in the earth's magnetic field is huge, but also suspect it is very thinly spread out.
Note: Floyd Sweet did a lot of work with harmonics & magnets and would find resonances at different frequencies; the last set from memory he described as being resonant at 23Hz (what does that mean? Well, 3 x 7.8Hz...)
But he had others different.
:) can you please link me to that SM "reverses in the South" info?
Thanks,
Steve
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Now my question: did you try your device already on the earth south
site?<
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY
WORK IN REVERSE.
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?
<quote>
from http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9211
Mflynn,Steve,
Mflynn thanks forposting SM's phrase already.
Steve, see Mflynn's message. This is all he said about it.
Notice that it is not known what SM means with in reverse......
Everyone, at this very moment I'm copiling a numbered list of SM importyant phrases. This can become out central reference source in discussing possibilities arounf the tpu.
regards,
Robert
Thanks Mflynn, dutchy (....that compilation will be very useful)
So now I'm reading that this device has a "top" and a "bottom" and that in Northern hemisphere it works "top up" and in Southern hemisphere it works "top down".
okay.... must think about this rather.
Gravitomagnetism looks like the only hope for the g view of operation, but why I do not know.
steve
Brain crunch stalled with a few pointers.
The only way I can get this effect with a gravity approach - is if I give gravity a "line of force" property like magnetism has.
Don't like that.
OK, so what is different about North vs South? Lines of force spin in opposite directions.
Here I'm sticking to the ether view which has electrons as small twisters; in that model "lines of force" are the funnels (in 3D space there are 2: one up as well as one down).
Both spin very fast.
The point here is that LoF (so says the ether view) spin in the North um anti-clockwise, and in the South clockwise. There is an ether view which says - magnetism is just a disc of spinning space and each "pole" is the spin direction that you see depending on how you look at it. That's why no monopoles - because in a 3D universe (ours) you can use the 3rd D to go around a 2D object like a disk - and see the other side - which always spins the OTHER way :) hence can't have a monopole. For that - it'd have to look as if it was spinning the same way however you looked at it (impossible).
Anyhow.
Gravitomagnetism is the same idea but with gravity. Any large rotating body drags space sideways with rotation faster at the equator then at the poles. You end up with space spun just like with a magnet, but gravity powered. This is (ish) an effect called "frame dragging".
But no-one has ever suggested that there are gravity lines of force each with their own spin :(
The big thing against TPU being earth's field powered is energy density. Too low.
Perhaps a combo? The earth's Lines of Force (which rotate in opposite directions N vs. S) come into the earth as does gravity inflow.
OK, suppose these twist the gravity inflow (after all, I'm deflecting gravity with a small magnet).
That would make each infalling line of gravity on the diagram twist (twisted by the earth's magnetism) as well as coming in with a strong downward flow.
Not got to the end of it yet this is likely.... but, is it relevant?
I feel I'm making stuff up to fit the situation - rank speculation & I don't really like it.
Anyhow, it is reasonable that the earth's mag field "twiddles" infalling gravity. BUT why would that make a TPU run in reverse?
Aha! the small magnet might not pull a lump of infall lines to it, it would push them away. So you end up with the lump on the other side of the TPU + spinning in reverse direction. Now apply same rolling fields and... :) output is reversed.
That would mean, as you roll it about the device in the same-as-before way - it's like running a magnet about a coil for power - then flipping the magnet over, moving it about the coil in the identical way - & find get reverse out.
Whew.
Don't think I believe this yet.
...IF this is right (1/10 ?) then this is a new effect and a new discovery.
Infalling gravity is spun by magnetic fields as it comes in.
TEST: TPU will not work at equator.
Think I'll have to sleep on this one.
steve
<braincell wants rest!>
@ WaveWatcher, In the wire forms i posted I found that the smaller ring should have the coils and there would be 2 rings of larger size for recivers. this inturn starts the pump as one above resonant Fq and the other below Fq - the larger wound at resonant @ shumans Fq (earth) then amplify this signal and send it to the sheld to project the signal back to the ring thus self gain occurs. as tesla said the signal is bounced back and forth between the earth and the antenna LMD source then amplified (capacitence).
@Motorcoach
I like the idea of doing the Moebius flip in a way received signals are safely piped to the regeneration point!
To continue my 'antenna' analogy (I am an old HAM afterall - I can dig antennas!):
Three coils may not be a bad idea. Equator = biggest coil - Tropic of Cancer/Capricorn = smaller coil and ???=smallest coil. You could say the North Pole, I suppose. But that idea shoots my other theories out as the pole would equate to 1, the tropic would equate to 4 and the equator then is seven (did I just produce the ratios for a hemisphere?)
In any case the largest coil would be most sensitive and have the highest possible Q without sacrificing needed bandwidth, to the lowest Hz. The smallest coil would be the same except the end of its curve would land around 250kHz and be as flat as possible over the range of the middle coil. The middle coil would be lower Q but wide band so as to overlap both other coils.
If I had three coils I would place the middle coil above the large one at a height (1/2 the diameter WRONG - I meant 1/2 the radius) of the large coil and the smaller one - I'm not sure. But when looking at the stack from the side it would look like someone whacked the Earth through the equator &-)
Any locations I give are center of winding to center of winding.
The three would all be a short circuit to DC as one big folded loop but you know how standing waves are. They don't care about short circuits unless they are in the wrong place. And then they just zero out.
In fact, if you have just one zero point on this your probably wrong.
I think of it as a Moebius that is 'fractilized'. Otherwise these things would be about 1000 KM in diameter.
You may be right about the injection point. Please let us know how it works for you.
I'm going on the premise of exciting, collecting, mixing(with regeneration), stacking and applying to load.
What you appear to describe is a directional transmitting antenna without a reflector.
Either way it would be an excellent test! I have always had exciting results when modeling antennas and transmission lines.
Hi BEP:
I have a question for you on regen. Could you do that soely using coils and caps and resistors?? I can remember where tesla said that a receiver of simplicity is just that. A coil and a cap with maybe a tunable L in there some where. If you were to set down and figure out the res freq of it, no need for that either.
Now on to the actual idea. Trifilar coil, tank, output and feedback. How do you incorporate the feed back without changing the res freq of the thing? This is where I am hung up.
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@BEP,
I was thinking of ways to make the mobius loops into a tuneable capacitor.
Using some strips of 1mm x 10mm aluminium you could setup into rings that are able to be moved up and down to adjust the capacitance.
Otto and Roberto said they only saw the seed when there was aluminium present inside or near the TPU.
Regards
Rob
I joined your community in admiration and excitement of what you are attempting and in the hopes that I could contribute and apply what I learned from you. I have spoken out of turn, possibly disrupted and unintentionally misdirected some. For that I offer my apologies. Almost all of my comments were based upon thought models and past experiences. None of my posts or communication were lies. I am not SM and I have never had the privilege of meeting him.
It is clear to me that he was absent for some time but I am sure he is watching now.
I have been experimenting and theorizing almost my entire life. It is the only way to understand what you learn completely. Until a couple of weeks ago I did not know you existed or the TPU, MEG, etc.
Many of the devices I have built succeeded in the original intent but were eliminated for other reasons. Some are still perking along after many years. When word of one gets out my family and I always suffer. This is why I have stopped work on my unique form of what some would call a TPU and others a MEG.
Now that the results confirm almost all my wild theories and I see that E=mc^2 is completely redundant it is best for me to take what I know and go ?off grid? (I think that is the term?).
I believe Otto is on the right track. The other things I mentioned also play a part but will only confuse the initial development. I suggest you use the ?kiss? method and interpret SM info as best you can ? as I have. For those that do not have the expertise to make things work from the currently available information it is very likely that you should not attempt it. For those learned physics dogma repeaters I wish you a long and happy life, even if it begins to close on you like Einstein?s box on the pole end of the TPU. When you are squirted out the other side from the ?slap? you will certainly see the light.
Correct ? over unity is not possible on this plane but beware, you are not considering all possible sources of usable energy. You are also part of that spectrum.
I am certain SM has suffered more than folks know and I cannot stand to loose anymore.
You are so close. When you figure it out stop and think about the next step clearly.
I wish you all a safe journey.
BEP/WaveWatcher
@WaveWatcher Thank you so much for the insight. In beam5 technologies (microwave) the mobius quadrapole send and receives lighting speed and the rings in front and back act as a current dump. I believe as when drilling for oil the gas just gets burned off. the waveguide I'm not sure of at this time but I'm sure it plays a big part in dumping the electromotive current. I believe Leedskalin years ago said something very close to what you have said about the 1-4-7. and the harmonic 33 theory. I'm still researching Tesla's duel cone apparatus that uses copper tubing as the guide. Mike edit; in SM 15in TPU the radient coil is not actualy a coil , but a plate at the bottem of the unit , this is a radiator (wave guide) as in toriod amplifiers in the center the fields bounce due to there relation , the capacitors regulate the feild , the upper coils , are formed in narrow band with as are this type of coil. (mostly found in VHF marine band withs) the upper coil bounces to the lower guide at this time the 25 degree rule comes into effect (as we know it in rule 45dr) in effect as you say , one half of the dia. is the rule in reception (parker flat wind says ,yes -start snoiltal curvature, no flux , second wave start 180dr - not interactive , reverse wave starts 3 wave .(congagate) TEM wave devlopes , Lmd wave doesn't start to exist until full wave of spiral exixts. This means that the ground wave has to travel 1/4 wave leingth for the spiral to exist. so the ground wave fixes the snoidal confrence in the outcome of the total spiral, but heres some thing else that is not in the text book .! if the spiral is in the model only exist on the top -then it has to exist on the bottom ! diotomic flux without magnatisim mmmmmm Torsion?
Wavewatcher. I don't know if you got some hatemail from someone or what, but you need to understand that there are always trolls on the internet. Ignore the trolls. You are a useful member of this community, and your theories and stories are quite interesting.
If you have done some of this work, and can save some of us the distress that you have gone through, and we will go through (undoubtedly) by cracking this thing, by keeping an eye on what we are doing and giving an experienced opinion that would be great.
Packing up and bailing is not, in my opinion the right course of action. If this thing really is as dangerous as all that, then someone WILL get hurt when the egg is cracked. If you can help prevent that, then there is a spot for you here, regardless of what people say. I would suggest rolling with the punches, and either ignoring completely, or taking the flames as constructive critisizm.
I personally have been waiting for an experiment based on something that is in your lab to test your theories, a proof of concept, as it were.
I mean. I have to remain objective and cannot follow someone down a road based on words, regardless of how interesting those words are. I need something to do. There has to be something to SEE. Something documented, and quantifiable. Otherwise, from a scientific standpoint, I have to go with what I know, and what has been documented and experimented with.
Just tough it out man.
Anxiously awaiting something to replicate,
Regards,
Rich
@Wavewatcher,
I too would like to have a bit more info on what your experiments have revealed and how to re-create them.
If you can disconnect the power from a TPU and for it to carry on "running" even if it is trying to destroy itself then this is a fantastic break-through and goes on to prove that there is substance behind what we are all trying to achieve.
If you want to PM me directly in confidence I can carry on where you left off, put together some simple plans for people with the right skills to assemble a proof of concept device.
Have a think about it, but I will understand if you do not want to go this way.
Regards
Rob
I appreciate both comments and understand them. The trolls are a bit more than Internet based and I know them well. What I do know is that the results Otto's work is providing the correct direction. At this point, my results would only serve to sidetrack his direction.
As far as I have seen the same tests have been performed by others. I interpreted them differently when I did them before you folks were around.
The only one I have done that I do not see here was an attempt to determin the relationship between RF propagation and gravity. It was simple - two plates 1 xmit the other xrcv. I went from zero to 2.4gHz. What I found was low freq were prone to follow the surface and even dive while high freq were more reflective and bent less over the surface of the Earth. Nothing new there except one thing. These signals were longitudinal and the shift between to two tendencies was much more pronounced than when using conventional antenna. Longitudinal performance dropped drastically while increasing to 300kHz.
What does that mean? All frequencies have both types of waves. Long. waves are extreme performers at the lower end. Long. waves at that end loose very little of their energy as compared to currently used portions of signals. My theories start to evolve from there and the implications that gravity, matter, waves are all one in the same at different states sends me over the deep end.
In my mind this explains the 'slap' effect. And the fact that just before the 'slap' the factors used to explain magnetic attraction and the resultant speed become identical to the same for gravity and that makes it possible for particles to travel faster than light even in a vacuum. It goes on from there but I've done it again. Try to put into words that which only confuse most.
As I have PM'd some - I am in the process of creating documentation but it is evolving as I stop to try new thoughts. Right now I am waiting on replacement frontends for my spectrum analyzer.
I know the time for words is gone and you are correct - seeing is believing.
Like everyone else my priorities are elsewhere as I work 5/12's and am on-call 24/7.
As an aid to understanding the dynamics of this thing - those with high-end scopes may wish to simulate the TPU's two shperical fields in action. This will show you why I am starting from scratch.
Mohr's circle - X-Y plots to show phase relationship/rotation. If you have the knowhow and the right scope you can add the Z axis to create a 3D model. That is for the result we want.
For the control sigs I am attempting to find the right combination of signals and there phase relationships to one another that will allow me to repeat the Three sister effect I saw on my earlier device - the one that crowbarred my spectrum analyzer. The one that was the result of a base of around 170kHz.
If you can obtain results for the above the info would help the more advanced folks when modifing designs.
I do this type of work with thought models before I heat up the soldering iron. Although I could never fill either man's shoes - I tend to work the problem more like Tesla than Edison.
I haven't had the time to do this yet.
The results will give me numbers to calc coil design info.
I avoid detail on my use of 147 because I look at this issue as 3D not 2D. When 147 includes angular differences between the numbers that are (what I think will be the correct phase relationship) 147 will translate to 139 in 2D space. A perfect 139 is 'what I believe to be' the point we must avoid. I also shoot for a 147 relationship because of a common truth - two antennas communicating with each other usually perform best when they are the same polarization and based upon the same design philosophy. The core is round so our resultant antenna field should also be round or some fraction thereof. By antenna field 'I believe' this would not be the coil design but the field resulting from the coil.
All of that and when you start spouting mystical numbers and then try to explain reasons by comparing different dimensional planes you instantly become a nut.
I've made that mistake too often here.
Suffice it to say that I am redoing all coil designs I had to adjust for the Earth's mag field energy required for this will be longitudinal. They will look the same to most but they will look like they have a braid/fold-flip at the begining of each turn in the winding. This because that type of winding looks at the difference between opposite sides of the turn as does a mag loop antenna but it will be functionally, perpindecular to the Earth. So I'm going from two larger mag-loop antennas that were polarized for the magnetic plane of the conventional used wave to many small loops polarized for the magnetic-only longitudinal wave.
Ironically -only in my mind's eye right now- it is beginning to appear more like the SM pics I have seen.
Right now I'm on break from trying to hack code that will correct for some Fanuc anomolies that screw calcs for multi-joint moves.
OU devices are my relaxation but we still must pay the bills.
@BEP,
A separate path can quickly become a single path. Who is to say that Otto is on the correct or best one?
Posted some brief info correlating the 170khz to the Earth's magnetic field.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg37186.html#msg37186
Waiting for parts - bored as hell...
BTW - what if the rotating field "rolled" like a wheel?
From what I have seen here and the results you all have posted it appears that the two signals should be 'electrically' of different origin and destination. That could mean a common ground but certainly would mean they are isolated (capacitive or inductive coupling) from each other. I do believe the difference between them could be as little as a phase variance but whatever, they must induce different rotation rates for each of the magnetic fields being produced. The difference between the two speeds will be the mixed pulse rate of the D.C. output.
Making electricity is trivial to what must happen to make this work. We are talking about momentarily creating unipolar magnetic fields in ambient atmosphere. Yet another thing that can't be done.
And having a vortex on one end does mean there must be another on the other side. This is in the books it just doesn't usually sink in.
'Theoretically speaking', when you look down into one you will see a red-shift. When you look up into one you will see a blue-shift. If you have a good old fashioned mechanical watch in the middle it will appear to loose time from above and gain from below.
If you have a compass in the middle it will stop at any place friction wants it to stop.
As is in Fresnel optic rotation equipment g<1 - in the extreme case.
But we don't want to go to the extreme case, do we? Just make some juice.
When you think you have a lazy rotational difference between the two fields - stick a compass in the middle. See if you can make it point where you want it or spin the way you want just by changing the phase/speed difference between the two fields.
If you can you should probably start taking numbers.
If it is rolling like a wheel then I don't know. It depends on where how and what your signals are.
Would CCW increase and CW decrease velocity?
If rolling like a wheel then the polarity and direction at inner and outer would be opposite direcitons.
Also, rolling would imply a much faster velocity of change or translation (because it has to roll) within the field than if rotated without rolling.
Well one thing's for sure, your interpretations are much more grounded in physics. I wholeheartedly agree about the different forces being the same thing at core, just different expressions of the same energy. Vibration, and spin, it's all about vibration and spin. At various frequencies you get higgs bosons or gravitons, at others you get w and z bosons, or gluons (mass, gravity, strong and weak forces), which are force carrier particles. At yet others you get fermions, like photons (electromagnetism). Also, spin has a lot to do with it. Here it gets a little tricky because bosons can occupy the quantum, while fermions cannot. Previously we called everything that could do this, a wave-particle. but, now that we know particles can wink in an out of existence, we know total spin can change, hence changing a particle to fermion, or boson, depending on its total spin.. So we have the forces and energies of the universe changing state and relationship constantly dependent only upon how we observe them.
Anyway, I appreciate the big boy talk. I don't think your talking over our heads, and I don't get annoyed by it.
The more we discover, the more magical it all seems. The more we can explain, the less it's explainable.
It gets a lot wierder than this when you start talking about x-y bosons, and B-L, and cooper pairs and precession, and all that with relation to the new understandings presented us by quantum physics.
There are so many questions that we are not even ready to ask.
Regards,
Rich
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Quote from: BEP on June 27, 2007, 09:36:15 PM
From what I have seen here and the results you all have posted it appears that the two signals should be 'electrically' of different origin and destination. That could mean a common ground but certainly would mean they are isolated (capacitive or inductive coupling) from each other. I do believe the difference between them could be as little as a phase variance but whatever, they must induce different rotation rates for each of the magnetic fields being produced. The difference between the two speeds will be the mixed pulse rate of the D.C. output.
Making electricity is trivial to what must happen to make this work. We are talking about momentarily creating unipolar magnetic fields in ambient atmosphere. Yet another thing that can't be done.
And having a vortex on one end does mean there must be another on the other side. This is in the books it just doesn't usually sink in.
'Theoretically speaking', when you look down into one you will see a red-shift. When you look up into one you will see a blue-shift. If you have a good old fashioned mechanical watch in the middle it will appear to loose time from above and gain from below.
If you have a compass in the middle it will stop at any place friction wants it to stop.
As is in Fresnel optic rotation equipment g<1 - in the extreme case.
But we don't want to go to the extreme case, do we? Just make some juice.
When you think you have a lazy rotational difference between the two fields - stick a compass in the middle. See if you can make it point where you want it or spin the way you want just by changing the phase/speed difference between the two fields.
If you can you should probably start taking numbers.
If it is rolling like a wheel then I don't know. It depends on where how and what your signals are.
Hi BEP,
And no, not the extreme.... LOL ;D Just make a little juice. Blue light only!
Have you had the opportunity to read through all of SM's clues contained in the .pdf ?
I think there is a low frequency somewhere involved with these other high frequencies.
BEP, one investor wrote to the other that the 6" was apparently "tuned" to 7.23 Hz.
How would one tune the coils to that low of frequency? And we know for a fact there are High frequencies in the collectors at the same time. It is a conundrum.
Also, I have been thinking about the cutaway picture of the 15" after it was sliced with a saw to prove that there were no batteries in it. Result:
Top of Toroid - Two lamp chord type wires, one on top of the other.
Bottom of Toroid - The same.
It makes me think of transmitter on top, receiver on bottom and resonant cavity between. Perhaps one resonates at VLF and the other UHF and then somehow between the two? ??? (only if there is no electromagnet as I think, at 7.23 Hz. :) )
Cheers,
Bruce
You might enjoy this video, it's so applicable to this discussion.
No. I haven't seen that and many other things mentioned here. I have and continue to re-read the Sm clues. No bandwidth here and constant disconnects.
My theories are crystalizing. There are different stages of the process. Each solidly founded in classic physics. Much too much to go into with my current deadline.
Regeneration is happening more than once. Three sisters is a major part of the process. Conversion of the Elect part of the signal to magnetic and back again. Perpendicular does not seem to mean in the mechanical sense but in signal relationship.
Testing each step one at a time and attempting to optimize each. In the process I stumbled across a bi-stable PM. You bump it with a magnet of opposite polarity and it changes its own polarity. Not focused enough to make OU motors work but it sure confuses a compass! and not working on same part of spectrum as SM devices.
Regen appears to be key to first step. Main coil (antenna) High-Q at Shumann base and 2nd and third bases (not harmonics). This is DC part.
Second coil is feedback/regen coil as in Tesla regen circuit. This coil is high current/low voltage (reason for heating problems) - slightly lagging equivilant of main coil but lower Q and broader bandwidth and needs AC (two small sisters) to slap the Elect part of base (DC) into magnetic part of base as a kick. I know - injected sig is said to be square DC pulse - perhaps from our perspective but it needs to look like AC to the other sig.
The seed appears to be a base Schumann (DC)...must run now.
Quote from: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 01:33:08 PM
You might enjoy this video, it's so applicable to this discussion.
Well, in German language one would say:
Echte M?nner ohne Nerven...
Wow...
Not a job for me...
;) ;D
Quote from: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 01:33:08 PM
You might enjoy this video, it's so applicable to this discussion.
L?d, L?d, L?d!
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dirt
A nice sine wave graphic
Dirt
Edit: damn, image is copyright, I,ll see if I can get permission to use it, then repost.
Edit the Edit: Ehh, heck with it, here is the link:
http://www.rkm.com.au/animations.html
It,s at the bottom of the page