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I'd first like to say a couple things.

This thread will house ONE of my complete solutions for the TPU.

I intend to fully describe the solution technically, how it works, and how it can produce all those effects stated by SM.

Considering all we know and have learned about the TPU, over the last year, we still don't know EXACTLY what the TPU looks like, how it is wound, or how it is powered. If we did, logic dictates, we would all already have TPUs.

I have considered all the words that SM ever sent through Lindsay, plus those from the videos, when constructing my theories (maybe 'theories' isn't the right word, perhaps 'technical designs' is better suited).

Everything is open to criticisms, including anything I put forward, so I welcome whatever comes.

I have thought about it, and I am going to break this into three sort of sections, a pre-knowledge one, one that describes how the device works, and one that addresses those many things said by SM.

I will be using the term 'collector' to mean 'collector coil/wire' of the TPU in the below writeup.

In addition to using the word 'collector' to mean 'collector coil/wire' of the TPU, you should know that when I say the words 'control coil' that they basically mean 'inductor' (just like from the above examples) and that there can be MANY of these around the circumference of any given TPU.

Steven Mark: "You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it." "It really doesn't have any convertible AC component which could provide a mechanical motive force as you suggested."  "They are only a means to achieve an end." "The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick." "I call it resonating." "You see, one little kick amounts to nothing." "However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick..."

Explanation: The output from the TPU is exactly the same, it is DC, meaning there is a continual movement of electron (voltage/current output), but it ALSO has an AC component (Hash), and this AC component (Hash) is what CREATES this DC component.

Let me explain this in detail: The AC components I refer to are the KICKs that are coming from the control coils and interacting with the collector to move it's electrons. When the TPU starts up, the initial KICKs start SOME electrons moving, as the KICKs keep happening around the entire circumference of the TPU they gain momentum, this momentum comes from the fact that the electrons have mass and because collector is like an inductor itself. This is why it takes some time for the TPU to ramp-up, to wind-up, to start-up, to get to the desired voltage, etc...

Once the TPU is outputing at the desired level, the KICKs are STILL happening to keep the power outputing, but the KICKs are no longer causing the power output to climb, so at this point the KICKs are being used to MAINTAIN power output.

Picture a ball in a round tube (with the top missing, so you can touch the ball inside), now slightly tap the ball, what happens? It moves, right?, but only a little distance. Now, this time, slightly tap the ball, and before the ball seems to slow down again, tap the ball again, and keep doing this. What will happen? The ball will keep going faster and faster around the round tube. Now, don't tap the ball for a second and then start tapping the ball again, what happens? The ball slows down a little bit, and once you start tapping it again, it speeds right back up. Now, stop tapping the ball more many seconds, what happens? The balls slows down and eventually comes to a halt. So, this is exactly how the electrons in the collector are moving in the TPU, and it is the KICKs that are acting as your tapping did to the ball in the tube.

So, when the TPU is MAINTAINing it's power, there STILL needs to be KICKs occuring to keep the power (electrons) flowing. Note in the above paragraph where I said: "Now, don't tap the ball for a second and then start tapping the ball again, what happens? The ball slows down a little bit, and once you start tapping it again, it speeds right back up." So, the electrons slow a little bit between the times that the KICKs are occuring WHEN the TPU is in MAINTAINENCE MODE, and once successive KICKs occur, the electrons get a boost back up to speed. This is WHY THERE IS AN 'AC COMPONENT (Hash)' ON THE 'DC OUTPUT' OF THE TPU!





Steven Mark: "My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load. the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain. It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self."

Explanation: We do have to tune the TPUS LIKE A RADIO, the frequency at which the CONTROL COILS need to MAKE KICKS AT is directly related to the CIRCUMFERENCE of the COLLECTOR, but it is also related to the number of control coils we have! The reason that the frequency is related to the circumference of the collector is obvious. Since we are using KICKs to DRIVE the electrons AROUND the collector, and since we have MULTIPLE control coils, each successive control coil must make a KICK directly after the last control coil has just KICKed. This all must happen in a continual circular process, which will cause the electrons on the collector to be continually driven around the entire collector, through the load, and back into the collector, etc...., continually in a circle!

Steven says that you can start using the current on the collector in a load because the SIGNAL is ALSO the FEED for the ENERGY source(which is the electrons MOVING THEMSELVES in this HV 'KICK' field), and this is totally true. The SIGNAL SOURCE he refers to is the control coils that are successively KICKing, and it is this continual KICKing process that CAUSES POWER TO APPEAR IN THE FORM OF CONTINUAL ELECTRON MOVEMENT IN THE COLLECTOR! SO, the signal source, IS the power source (and this process IS ASYMMETRICAL, just look at my Anti-Lenz picture above...).

When Steven says that you shouldn't TUNE too closely to the center frequencies('CONVERSION frequencies'), he means that when you have these KICKs all happening in succession, and at a high frequency, the power (electron movement) will build quickly in the collector, and before you know it, the collector won't be able to handle all that power! SO, you must deliberately interupt this process by making the control coils NOT FIRE in PERFECT SUCCESSION! This is what is meant by tuning off the center frequency. For, when they don't fire in succession, the electron movements in the collector would get disrupted a bit and the power output would stop increasing...





Steven Mark: "It is obvious that most of the people reading the web site and experimenting know nothing about reading a scope and understanding what perfect frequency is. They also have no concept of how important the control frequencies are in order to make power from the collector. I assumed that anyone working on technology this sophisticated would have a superior knowledge of electronics and an understanding of PURE frequency output being a Necessity to control the reactions going on inside the collector."

Explanation: Here is another very important quote from Steven. He talks about PURE/PERFECT frequencies, this is also KEY, and relates directly to TESLA. When making the KICKs in the control coils, there SHOULD BE NO REVERSALS OF CURRENT when that KICK is happening. Listen, when the KICK occurs and there manifests that HV electric field within the cylindrical area of the control coil, this is what causes the electrons on the collector to move. SO, if your KICKs have any OSCILLATIONS in them, then this sort of messes up the movement of the electrons on the collector! Your KICK should be like a step function, just one quick HV PULSE, NO REVERSALS OF CURRENT, NO OSCILLATIONS, hmmm, where have you heard that before?, RIGHT! Tesla...

Steven also says that people don't have the concept of how important the control frequencies are to making power(electron movement) on the collector, this WAS true, until my writeup ;P. Steven said this though, because this is VITAL to UNDERSTANDING how to even CONSIDER MAKING A TPU!





Steven Mark: "Gosh, the reason I just hate transistors is because they are so slow and generate so much distortion!!! I think that transistors are basically useless for listening to really good high fidelity.
all those harmonics somehow get through to the music output and just ruin the music... I am sure that you know what I am referring to. Did you know that electron transit times in some tubes approach the speed of light? They are mini particle accelerators. Did you know that the best electron transit times of transistors is about like turning on a mechanical switch for a lamp? Gee, why not just build a tube amp to begin with. Less distortion and little need for feedback overdose. Much faster all around."

Explanation: Here Steven is talking about the difference of TUBES to transistors(ss) devices. ONCE you UNDERSTAND how power is made in the collector, and that HV KICKs are needed, and how these KICKs are made, you begin to UNDERSTAND why Steven KEPT telling everyone to initially use TUBES for getting the best results!

He says that transistors are slow and cause distortion. There are two keys here, being slow, and the distortion. Because the transistors are SLOW, they will NOT BE GOOD AT generating a KICK with EITHER METHOD OF KICK GENERATION THAT I MENTIONED IN MY IMAGES ABOVE! In addition, they have DISTORTION, which means that in either KICK method that you choose to use, THERE WILL BE SOME REVERSALS OF CURRENT, and OSCILLATIONS during the period of time when the KICK is happening. This is why Steven said these things about transistors so much, because being 'slow' and having 'distortion' result in MUCH lower potential for causing electron flow on the collector.

He says that TUBES are great and that they have transit times that can approach the speed of light(much faster), and can generate those PURE frequencies. Well, this should be obvious to you now. Since the tubes are so fast, they can make HUGE KICKS EASILY, plus, THEIR OUTPUTS ARE PURE, meaning that they have basically NO REVERSALS OF CURRENT, ie. NO OSCILLATIONS in the KICKS. This all results in a PERFECT case scenario for causing electron flow on the collector!




Steven Mark: (FROM MY POST LAST YEAR: "Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY  ...  and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly. So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmittor, its REAL operation.") "From Steven: Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret. Do you think he knows it? The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation."

Explanation: Here we are, back to the beginning when Steven said that I definitely had the secret to his TPUs! I think you all should thing about this again IF YOU EVEN THINK OF CRITICIZING THIS WRITEUP, lol. Seriously though, he said it back then, that I DEFINITELY HAVE THE SECRET, and the secret was TO MAKE A FAST (sharp rise, fall) SQUARE WAVE PULSE(KICK) IN A WIRE(CONTROL COIL) AND THIS WOULD MAKE ELECTRONS (move, charge) UPON A WIRE(COLLECTOR) THAT WAS PERPENDICULAR TO IT...

Then he states, that by starting the oscillation that current is caused to flow on the collector, and causes magnification of the process. Well, you should know by now EXACTLY what he means here, after reading my whole writeup. The electrons on the collector are caused to flow(current) via the continual and successive KICKs that it is receiving for the control coils which are PERPENDICULAR to the collector! Plus, the magnification that he is talking about comes from the fact that when successive control coils are making KICKs along the circumference of the collector the electrons on the collector build up speed via this continual KICKing process, this is akin to Steven's three-canon and particle accelerator analogies, and hence, this IS the magnification that he is talking about! So, when this magnification keeps happening, you WILL get more voltage and power output on the collector!

I'D ALSO LIKE TO STATE RIGHT NOW, THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO USE THIS SAME BASIC OPERATING STRUCTURE TO MAKE A SUCCESSFUL TPU, MEANING, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO MAKE HV ELECTRIC FIELDS WITH INDUCTORS, IE. OTHER WAYS TO ENTICE THE ELECTRONS IN THE COLLECTOR TO MOVE WHILE STILL MAINTAINING IT'S ANTI-LENZ NATURE, ETC. I FELT IT BEST, FOR ALL CONCERNED, THAT I CHOOSE "THE SEEMINGLY EASIEST UNDERSTANDABLE HV GENERATION METHOD AS IT RELATES TO THE CONTROL COIL'S OPERATION" SUCH THAT ALL THE READERS THERE WOULD FULLY COMPREHEND THE OPERATING PROCEDURE I SHOW THEM. NO SENSE MAKING THINGS MORE COMPLICATED (INITIALLY, THAT IS) THAN THEY HAVE TO BE, RIGHT?!? ;)

SO, BASICALLY, MY END GAME POST IS IN A SENSE A TRUE END GAME POST, BUT ALSO, IT CAN BE USED TO GREATLY EXPAND YOUR IDEAS AS TO HOW THE TPU CAN OPERATE AND HOW EVEN OTHER THEORIES AND METHOD CAN FIT INTO THE SAME OPERATING STRUCTURE THAT I SHOW YOU HERE IN THIS WRITEUP.

THANK YOU ALL, FOR NOW, GOODNIGHT FOLKS...

Ok, its all done!

I have laid out what I hope is a COMPLETE communication of how and why the TPU operates!

I did this for all of you,
I did this for Steven Mark, who is forced into silence
I did this for the world...

Enjoy folks. We are all in this together, remember that.


I will leave this thread locked for the next couple hours or so, then open it all up so people can post and have discussions, etc.....


Below is a PDF of this complete document, formatted...

Hi Tao:

Thanks for completing your write up. I've got to run an errand but would like to ask a couple of simple questions before I go.

1. You mentioned the importance of generating sharp & clean pulses for the control coils. can you shed more light on the frequency/harmonics needed to generate power? And their phase relationship too. Also what difference (if any) does the mechanics of the windings (size, weight, length, medium etc) play on the success of the TPU construction?

2. Your drawing depict a simple collector (wire or otherwise). Is there a need for a mobius structure (per Otto's design). If not, why not? (and vice versa)

3. Was hoping you'll tell us if you have a working TPU (self running or not) and can you show us some photos or video? I am asking not because I doubt your interpretation of SM's TPU inner workings. I'll count it a double blessing if we can indeed see your solution!

Best Regards

chrisC

Great writeup Tao. As I have suspected for a long time, the real work of the TPU is in the control circuitry, which means we will need the abilities of an experienced circuit designer and pic programmer if we want to have fully working units equal to SM's devices.

Do you have a theory why the control circuitry needs to be placed inside the coil?

Some points from the other thread you made that are still unclear to me.

-The reason that the frequencies ARE dependent on the circumferences of the TPUs
-The spinning field
-The flame-like RF discharge from the leads in the video

Hi Tao,

would the attached image be a so-called "equivalent circuit" of the TPU?

The capacitors are switched between charger and collector at the appropriate times.

Regards, Earl

Quote from: Earl on July 14, 2007, 02:26:19 PM
Hi Tao,

would the attached image be a so-called "equivalent circuit" of the TPU?

The capacitors are switched between charger and collector at the appropriate times.

Regards, Earl

Yes, that would be a so-called 'equivalent circuit' for the TPU.

Those 'capacitors' would be 'turned on'-then-'turned off' in succession (or harmonically) along the length of the collector.

Quote from: archon79 on July 14, 2007, 02:06:43 PM
Great writeup Tao. As I have suspected for a long time, the real work of the TPU is in the control circuitry, which means we will need the abilities of an experienced circuit designer and pic programmer if we want to have fully working units equal to SM's devices.

Do you have a theory why the control circuitry needs to be placed inside the coil?

From Steven: "# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators! If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity? Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up. TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate."

I think it is basically as SM states, all the various magnetic fields being generated by the control coils , and that HV KICKs, can cause these SS control ICs to fail to operate steadily and thereby result in a non-operating TPU. So, Steven places the control units in the direct center of the TPUs (the later, strong TPUs), and this would be the one spot where the least effects from the magnetic fields of the collector would appear, not to mention the HV KICKs.

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Some points from the other thread you made that are still unclear to me.

-The reason that the frequencies ARE dependent on the circumferences of the TPUs

There is the two things you need be concerned with, the duration of the pulse that is sent to each control coil to MAKE a KICK, and then the BEST frequency(s) at which the various control coils should operate at.

The reason that the frequencies ARE dependent on the circumference AND the lengths of the various control coils is that these control coils MUST be timed such that EACH SUCCESSIVE(next in line) CONTROL COIL creates IT'S KICK JUST AS the KICK FROM THE PRIOR CONTROL COIL IS STARTING OR ENDING(experimentation will determine the best time)...

So, lets say you chose the simple firing sequence for operating the control coils and you decide to use 3 control coils, where each successive one creates the next KICK. Now, lets say you use a frequency of 1 Hz for this. This means that the 1st control coil with create it's KICK, and cause electrons on the collector covered by that 1st control coil, Now, since you WANT the 2nd control coil to fire AS the KICK FROM 1st CONTROL COIL IS STARTING OR ENDING(experimentation will determine the best time), this means that the 2nd control coil with fire and create it's KICK, THEN, this will happen again with the 3rd control coil which creates it's KICK just after the KICK from the 2nd control coil....

So, think for a minute about what just happened here. We are using a frequency of 1 Hz(which of course means 1 cycle per second) for the firing sequence, BUT, the TIME it takes to actually make a KICK in each of the three controls coils takes nanoseconds(or up to many milliseconds if you use the collapsing mag field KICKing scheme), and since each of the control coils in this example are firing in succession for best power output(electron flow) on the collector, that means that before that 1 SECOND(1 Hz) is over, in fact way before it is over, ALL the control coils have fired. So, now, there is no more KICKing happening until that 1 second is over, then that first control coil fires again, and the 2nd and 3rd, etc. BUT, that TIME between when the 3rd control coil fires and the time that the 1st control coil fires AGAIN, it SO LONG that the ELECTRON MOVEMENT(momentum) that you are building in the collector DIES OUT.

So, you need to find a frequency that is based on the amount of time it takes to fire the complete set of control coils which are along the entire length of the collector, so that when that LAST control coil fires, just after this, the 1st CONTROL COIL will start the WHOLE CIRCULAR PROCESS OVER AGAIN...

Man, SM was right, this is hard to explain lol! Please note, the above is simply a contrived EXAMPLE that LETS YOU SEE how frequency CAN BE RELATED TO the CIRCUMFERENCE of the COLLECTOR. In practice, you might uses harmonic firing, multiple collectors, any number of control coils, etc, SO, there can be MANY differences from the example I outlined above...

Hope that in some way helped!

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-The spinning field

There are multiple spinning fields. The electrostatic spinning field that comes from the successive KICKs occurring around the circumference of the collector is one. The magnetic B fields ON THE COLLECTOR created by these intense HV electric fields of the KICKs is a second spinning field. And, If you chose the collapsing mag field KICK generation option, you will have another spinning field, this one also of magnetic B fields, but these are PERPENDICULAR to the ones created on the collector by the KICKs.

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-The flame-like RF discharge from the leads in the video

Ok, when the electrons FEEL the KICKs the electrons start running, like a monster is chasing them, lol. If there is an OPEN CIRCUIT on the TPU leads, the building movement of electrons CAUSE a voltage to appear on the leads.

Now, when these leads are brought close to each other, you see that VERY powerful flame-like discharge. This SHOULDN'T be considered a discharge, but more like a flame-like CONDUCTIVE LINK between the two leads of the collector. You see, the electrons are being propelled along the collector at such a rate, that there is a HUGE potential for massive AMPS along that collector. From the point of view of one of the collector's output leads, electron are being PUSHED TOWARD IT, and from the view of the other collector's output lead, electrons are being PULLED INTO ITSELF, there is a sort of electron vacuum effect lol.

Picture this, one of the output leads acts like a North pole of a magnet, and the other output lead acts like a South pole of a magnet, and there is an incredible force on them towards each other. This force of attraction comes from the electrons being propelled at such speeds(AMPS or the POTENTIAL FOR amps) via the KICKs. Since the KICKs are happening at SUCH a FAST RATE, you could literally hold the TPUs output leads like 1 inch apart, and there would be a CONTINUAL and NON-ENDING flame-like CONDUCTIVE LINK (discharge) occurring, for as long as you hold those leads 1 inch apart. There is no DISCHARGE of the collector, since there is nothing TO DISCHARGE from it, it is a continual process that happens AS LONG AS THE CONTROL COILS ARE STILL PRODUCING THE KICKS. This is why Steven is saying that the TPU can be deadly, for when it is running, and outputting, IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO until either the control coils stop making KICKs OR the collector burns up and destroys itself.

Interesting how the stun gun leads are also 1" apart. Arbitrary? I think not.

Now those were interesting experiments! :D
I thank God I didn't have the power SM talks about. LOL  :o

If I had the time I would do a flash graphic with sliders to change the freqs resonance time. Hmmm... Now that would make some great content, eh?

@Tao,
Great info & visualizations, man!
So as we go around the circumference the next kick is impressing upon the declining previous kick. So we are racing to beat the latency of the previous declining magnetic field? And we are right ahead of the previous kick just like surfing. How else could we hang ten on a board sticking 5 feet out in space? Is this a good analogy? It is like a growing tidal wave right behind us?
If this post needs modification let me know.

But back to my fitfull controller. Argh!

--giantkiller.

Something interesting I found while searching for fast recovery diodes (sometimes used as damper diodes in TV circuits):
http://www.earlytelevision.org/damper.html

Seems that this diode tries to get rid of the oscillations in the high-voltage line-scan waveform of old tube-based sets.  Now recall SM's exploding TV story... ;)

I have put an explanation of the theory and operation of the TPU according the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory in:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2621.msg40143.html#msg40143

Comments are welcome.  It is only the first draft.

Quote from: ltseung888 on July 15, 2007, 06:01:20 PM
I have put an explanation of the theory and operation of the TPU according the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory in:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2621.msg40143.html#msg40143

Comments are welcome.  It is only the first draft.

Thread-jacker... lol.

I already said, the OU comes from the electrons moving themselves in the HV KICK fields, the continual buildup of electron 'momentum', and the fact that the TPU has a perfect ANTI-LENZ characteristic to itself.

Your document merely and SLIGHTLY recaps what I already completely said.

No offense, but please keep the 'pulse forces' and 'lead outs' out of this thread...

Tao,

ltseung888 theory has working examples - several.

Secondly, pulses have been touted as the key to OU for almost 100 years.

Hi Tao,

Let me ask you a question. Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am missing something. Based on your theory, I can use a high voltage capacitor, charge it, let?s say up to a 20 KV and if I place a wire between the charged plates and apply a load a current should start flowing in my wire. Am I correct?

Kames.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 15, 2007, 06:43:41 PM
Tao,

ltseung888 theory has working examples - several.

Secondly, pulses have been touted as the key to OU for almost 100 years.

I KNOW his theory has working examples... That wasn't the point...

@Grumpy

The POINT is, it is unprofessional to use someone else's thread and published explanation to 'explain' one's own concoction when he admittedly in a recent thread said he had little knowledge of TPU theory!

That's NOT cool!

cheers
chrisC

@chrisC

THis is not your conversation - kindly get out of it.

@Tao

Ltseung888's theory and documents have been out for over a year.  He has posted them on many forums.  He posted them on the Steorn forum over a year ago with accounts of  successful devices to support his theories.  They have expanded but have not changed.

The egg has no place telling the chicken who came first.

Tao means "The Way" start living by this or change your ID.  I have seen children that are more in tune with "The Way".

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2007, 01:07:50 AM
@chrisC

THis is not your conversation - kindly get out of it.

@Tao

Ltseung888's theory and documents have been out for over a year.  He has posted them on many forums.  He posted them on the Steorn forum over a year ago with accounts of  successful devices to support his theories.  They have expanded but have not changed.

The egg has no place telling the chicken who came first.

Tao means "The Way" start living by this or change your ID.  I have seen children that are more in tune with "The Way".

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that everything I wrote in my thread has been covered by Ltseung's theory from over a year ago? Well, damn, good one Ltseung. Sorry if I missed that in his little writeup on the TPU. I know what Ltseung has posted, I read them. He uses the terms Lead Out and Pulses, well, guess what, he can take ANY OU device and just say, OH LOOK, it leads out _____ via pulses... But, you know, that doesn't really help anyone to build, rediscover, etc. any of those OU devices...So, if you are telling me that Ltseung posted something a year ago that already explains the TPU, or that what he has posted is in ANY WAY EVEN CLOSE TO MY WRITEUP, excuse me if I laugh whole-heartedly... If you know Ltseung's theories so well, or know that he already has working devices, why don't you 'lead out' your own OU device?

I know what Tao 'means', although, 'MEANINGS' MEAN NOTHING if you truly 'know' the TAO! So, don't start with me, kind sir. I give FREELY without thought of my own self, I spent so many hours, and days, months, devoted to this one effort, of solving the TPU. Much like the Tao...

PLEASE, just leave THIS ALONE, follow your own words to ChrisC, and kindly don't involve yourself with me and Ltseung, of which HE ASKED for comments, and I gave some, and THEN you BUTTED IN. So, what you thought ChrisC was doing, you had ALREADY DONE , there is no difference. You thought you needed to butt in and represent Ltseung, well, ChrisC did the same for me, you are NO DIFFERENT... The TRUTH always prevails my friend..........You would do best to end this now.........

Remind me never to ride on a train with you, you might just 'derail' it, like this thread...

I know that everyone with half a sense will side with me Grumpy, so kindly step aside... The truth always prevails... You are out of line...

@Oat,

ROFLMAO!

I am "Grumpy" and this is what I do.  ChrisC is good at it too - kudo's, ChrisC.

Copying is not fun, I prefer to understand the interaction so that I can make my own path.

If your own theory is so complete and perfect (the theory that you are so vain about) build it...or at least finish it instead of dragging it out forever...or perform some experiments to verify what you have so far - otherwise, it is just pretty pictures that will be soon forgotten along with the thousands of others before it.

ltseung888's original theory of leading out gravity was accompanied by a simple experiment to verify, same with the theories of Stephan Marinov - who strived to prove that much of modern physics is incorrect. 

You could post your theory along with your experiments to verify it, or is that too much trouble?

Another thread obliterates into obsessivity?.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2007, 11:49:10 AM
@Oat,

ROFLMAO!

I am "Grumpy" and this is what I do.  ChrisC is good at it too - kudo's, ChrisC.

Copying is not fun, I prefer to understand the interaction so that I can make my own path.

If your own theory is so complete and perfect (the theory that you are so vain about) build it...or at least finish it instead of dragging it out forever...or perform some experiments to verify what you have so far - otherwise, it is just pretty pictures that will be soon forgotten along with the thousands of others before it.

ltseung888's original theory of leading out gravity was accompanied by a simple experiment to verify, same with the theories of Stephan Marinov - who strived to prove that much of modern physics is incorrect. 

You could post your theory along with your experiments to verify it, or is that too much trouble?

LOL... "I am "Grumpy" and this is what I do."

Hey man, no offense, and none taken, but my whole reason for making this whole writeup was to post the most complete theory there has been, up to this point, for the TPU. I specially wrote my detailed responses to I did it so others could see it, wonder, think, ponder, and maybe use it or incorporate it into their own researches/ideas/etc.

I never said I had a working TPU based on this theory. Then again, I haven't done a whole lot of experimenting either, BUT everything I said matches everything SM said, it FITS, you could say. So, because it FITS, I felt it was FITTING to post my theory for all to see and USE, if they so desire...

I realize that 'it is just pretty pictures that will be soon forgotten', and I took that chance when I made them, and spent a couple days working on this.

Back in the early TPU days, which was over a year ago now, THEORY was all we had!, We didn't have all these posts and letters from SM, THESE LETTERS were EARNED, by SM seeing our MOTIVATION TO LEARN, and our various INITIAL THEORIES, like my Tesla MT post, that SM said was the secret, without all those 'theories' that 'would soon be forgotten', all the people working of the TPU right now wouldn't have the luxury of all those more detailed letters from SM, PERIOD.

So, from the viewpoint of THIS MOMENT, maybe my big theory/writeup seems out of place, because all these others are building stuff, but, believe this, I have been still in the same mindset as those initial months, were all we did was research, theorize, and consult with SM... Now you know the context.

So, it is now that I believe there is a viable theory, a complete potential understanding of the TPU, gained by my own research and all those words we have from SM(which came about because of us originals). I am not being vain, I am being truthful, period.

Quote from: tao on July 16, 2007, 12:34:10 PM

I never said I had a working TPU based on this theory. Then again, I haven't done a whole lot of experimenting either, BUT everything I said matches everything SM said, it FITS, you could say. So, because it FITS, I felt it was FITTING to post my theory for all to see and USE, if they so desire...

Almost any concept of operation can be likened to the TPU.  SM has done a wonderful job of clouding the issue so that he can discuss it at all.  The RMF is undeniable and an element that SM stated was " required".   I highly recommend this be explored.

I'm really not trying to attack or offend.  Do not make the mistake of only thinking about the TPU and not experimenting.  This was my mistake for a long time and it is a dead end.  You must get your hands dirty, so here's to that.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2007, 02:55:49 PM

I'm really not trying to attack or offend.  Do not make the mistake of only thinking about the TPU and not experimenting.  This was my mistake for a long time and it is a dead end.  You must get your hands dirty, so here's to that.

Grumpy,

I wonder....have you read all the SM material? Do you know what all the clues mean? If you do, then you're bucking frilliant! My hat's off to you.

However, if you don't understand all that SM was saying, what exactly are you building then?

The RMF is the easiest clue SM ever gave us. How to create it may be another thing.

But, the one clue that SM harped on and on about, no one yet knows exactly what it is and therefore how to create it....IT being the kicks.

I guess you must already know what they are. Please tell us.

Who ever said tao or myself, or anyone for that matter will not ever build something in an attempt to replicate the TPU and it's effects?

I have done some experimenting with my first coil, but it was minimal. Over the last year and a bit, I have been studying SM's material, learning certain lines of physics, theorizing, hypothesizing, and reading quite a lot of other supporting material.

What is wrong with that? If I start building and testing NOW, is that not valid research? Even if it was after a year?

I'll say it again....some folks like to jump right in, and some like to understand things better before getting their hands dirty...OK?

I'm not defending tao here per se, but I do take exception to negative comments towards folks that freely and unselfishly post their ideas in an affort to propel the TPU research in a positive direction.

I believe I may have figured out what the kick is, and was contemplating posting it in a nice paper, but you have given me reason to think twice about doing it.

Just relax man....just because your research of the SM material was a dead end for you, does not mean it is for me or other folks.

Posted research and theories, builds, tests, posted results...they're all good. Take what you like and is helpful to you, and discard the rest.

Darren

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2007, 11:49:10 AM
@Oat,

ROFLMAO!

I am "Grumpy" and this is what I do.  ChrisC is good at it too - kudo's, ChrisC.
.....

huh? What the heck are you talking about? I'm sorry you're on a different wavelength. Out of respect for Tao and his thread, I will not continue this circular discussion with you, Mr. Grumpy.

@ZPE

I used to think you're one of these 'PC Heros', so coined by Otto. Now that I understand your modus operandi, I think it is great you're putting time and effort into understanding the detailed aspects of this difficult subject and I look forward to you sharing your theory (and practice). I would not worry too much about what Mr. Derailment would or would not do! Thanks Darren.

regards
chrisC

@All,

Build it, get kicks, get the warming swarming.

Message cancelled.

--giantkiller.

@Darren,

QuoteThe RMF is the easiest clue SM ever gave us. How to create it may be another thing.

Actually, this is the easiest part.  Several have posted different ways to create and RMF.  Perhaps you missed them.  74HC4017 chip was one of the latest.  Google "ring counter".

You are twisting my words and adding your assumptions.  I never said that you or Tao will not build.  I stated that to only thoerize and not build is a "dead end" - not theorizing in and of itself.

My research into the TPU is going nicely.  I reached the point where only experimentation will allow theory to expand.

Kicks - explained numerous times.  It will make sense once you have a RMF - which is created by kicks - at least that is one way to do it.  "Kick" is an old term for pulse - nothing more - nothing less.  When created by a coil (magnetic field collapse) - the term "inductive kick" applies - not to be confused with a pulse from a capacitor which would not be inductive.

Freely and unselfishly - see so much of that these days.

Build now - ZPE - build now!  RMF for less tha $5 with that 4017 chip - drive it with a 555 that is setup variable or even at a single clock freq.  Drive it with a two-transistor multivibrator - whatever you can find.
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@ChrisC

bzzzzzzz...

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@Tao

Just Build It!   You can figure it out later.  Theory doesn't make a light bulb come on - dirt hands do.

Well said

tao

like your thred and all your posts i have a question or 2



TUBES  i think tubes as well  but what kind of tubes are you thinking of i am currently looking for tubes i found a huge supply of all tubes but i dont know anything about tubes can you offer specs of tubes and reasons why you think those tubes would best suit the tpu in your opinion

thanks agin tao

william

Quote from: Grumpy on July 16, 2007, 07:31:18 PM

Kicks - explained numerous times.  It will make sense once you have a RMF - which is created by kicks - at least that is one way to do it.  "Kick" is an old term for pulse - nothing more - nothing less.  When created by a coil (magnetic field collapse) - the term "inductive kick" applies - not to be confused with a pulse from a capacitor which would not be inductive.

The term KICK, when used in all of our contexts when refering to the TPU, was originally coined by Steven Mark. Steven clearly states that the KICK he is talking about is the HV that is generated BEFORE current starts flowing in ANY conductor, it is all based on electron gas relaxation times (I made a PDF will all these last year).

So, the PRIMARY way that we should be generating KICKs is to only use the HV spike that appears BEFORE the current flows in our control coils, that is, if we TRULY want to adhere to what Steven Mark said.

Quote from: innovation_station on July 16, 2007, 11:17:38 PM
tao

like your thred and all your posts i have a question or 2



TUBES  i think tubes as well  but what kind of tubes are you thinking of i am currently looking for tubes i found a huge supply of all tubes but i dont know anything about tubes can you offer specs of tubes and reasons why you think those tubes would best suit the tpu in your opinion

thanks agin tao

william

I get the strange feeling you are interested in tubes?

yes tubes


i think stevens words should be followed exactaly and he said TUBES so i will work with tubes why?


because it is easyest to start there there many many reasons to use tubes to test then ss in the finished ring after you have the exact freqs for the ring using tubes plus how many people are using tubes and how many people have a working tpu not enough start where steven said to start that is my aproch


ist

any help with tubes would be great thanks for your time

I would like to bring to you all a PERFECT explanation/example of where the preferred KICK that Steven Mark talks about comes from. This would be the KICK that appears BEFORE current flows in a conductive coil/wire...

Below is a VERY GOOD, and MUCH SLEPT ON POST from aether22, posted on another forum.. I might just post this separately in another thread too, as the idea is viable.

Pay attention ;)




aether22:
"I am a major proponent of the aether, though I didn't like it to begin with it just makes far too much sense.

What is odd is I'm going to present a Free Energy device that does not use the aether in any way.
In part that's why I'm presenting it here, not sure I need this distraction, but it's so straight forward.

It's the super charging effect, connect a decent voltage to a long piece of wire and current flows, if it is an open circuit it will take a while before it knows this and so it will send current through anyway charging it to a high voltage, it's the electrical analog of the verified OU water hammer effect in pipes, now if we take the speed of light in a vacuum 299,792,458 meters a second (in reality it will be slower than that which is good) and suppose a 200 meter transmission like, then double it to 400m because the wave gets to the end and must reflect, so that gives us 749,481 but we need some off time, so assume a 50% duty cycle, we have 374,740 hz, quite reasonable.

Now what happens where all those electrons, amps and amps worth squeeze themselves into a piece of wire? Well you get a crazy high voltage.
Maybe even high enough to release the electrons as effectively beta radiation.

At any rate metals near it will be charged, now what does this sound like to you?
Tesla, Ed Gray.
We know the effect works, it occurs in long transmission lines (it happens every time, and it's killed people), there is nothing to doubt, and the math works out.
It's only an issue on engineering it and making it practical, and unlike the mysterious forces of the aether we can calculate this one before we begin.

Now I am in favor of doing this with a long line as that simplifies the switching we can make a compact long transmission line by making the type of coil Hooper (motional magnetic field guy) made, where we fold a wire back on it's self, by doing this we get a compact transmission line without the inductance of a coil (a normal coil will slow the all important rise time), a normal bucking bifilar coil won't work as the impulse will transfer inductively and will appear superluminal as it won't travel through the wire, but the Hooper coil or tightly wound bucking parallel caduceus (in other words a normal caduceus) will have both types of inductances cancel.  (note: the caduceus coil must be single layer, note2: interestingly induction will still take place, only it will be weak microwave frequency oscillations)

Of course any dual channel scope can easily measure the effectiveness of a delay line section.
It would be possible to do this with mechanical switching if you had a delay line of over 200 meters, although it would be difficult.

You could tap the power in 2 ways, one is by having the charges spray or arc to another electrode, the other obviously is by capacitive induction, in either case you going to want to surround it by an electrode as Ed Gray uses, not sure why perforation is required/preferred.

This is a pretty straight forward Free Energy device, we can calculate it, work it out, run easy tests with oscilloscopes, calculate what kind of voltage we will be dealing with, it's not the mysterious type of Free Energy machine, it's a totally reliable mathematically certain proven Free Energy machine.

We can either run it as stated above or instead use the principle of opening a closed circuit, though the frequency will need to be twice as high.
One thing not noted above is that once charged, unless it sprays all of it's charges away the transmission line might need to be discharged, indeed in we want we may opt not to use another electrode and merely discharge the high voltage on the transmission line.

This is also better in some ways than my favorite of gaining Free Energy from the aether as this is a single effect, it can't be misused.

I recommend anyone not sure what to do should work on this, it's a Free Energy effect like no other, we know it's been done before (Tesla, Ed Gray, Swiss ML) and we can calculate it, it's success isn't Dependant on unknowns. (the effect is also clearly present every time you flick a light switch and hear speakers pop, it happens in transmission lines, and best of all it happens every single time)

So if you don't know what to do, work on this.
Another thing, this effect can also be used to create a unidirectional propulsive force by turning 2 electromagnets on and off in the right way, this has already been patented.
Turn on coil 1 and it produces a magnetic field, turn coil 2 on and it is immediately attracted/repelled by the magnetic field of 1, however coil 1 does not instantaneously know that 2 has turned on and so for a moment 2 ir pushed while 1 is not, now once the field from 2 reaches 1, turn it off, it will still take coil 2 some time before it detects detects the field from 1 has changed and it will continue to experience force, if you do it right 1 need not have felt 2 at all.

IF infact coil 1 does immediately react to coil 2 being turned on then that is a superluminal reaction, pretty cool (and generally considered impossible), otherwise the only other way this could fail to create a unidirectional force is if coil 1 which no longer has and current flowing through it (it's open circuit) feels a force even though it no longer has a current passing through it and is no longer creating a magnetic field which is kinda crazy. (Indeed if you had a huge coil in space, you could turn the coil off, turn it into scrap and then have a force placed on it, no way)

There is a patent on this in the US btw."

The Tesla-ish "kick" at the beginning of circuit connection is the electrons flipping to align to the potential.  This is before a drift is formed and current starts to flow an occurs in the first couple of ns.  I posted some data a while back that this is dependent upon the resistance of the circuit - so resistive wire should lower the flip speed and allow RE expulsion with shorter wire.  Guess no one saw that.

I posted a "Delta Function" document a while back - kicks in the low ns range, but no one gave a rat's ass.  Funny that now we are talking about the same damn flip-flops and NAND gates - haha!!

SM never said his device utilized RE.  I think that it is realted but not Tesla's version.  No spark gap, no freaky high voltage and no RE migrating all over the place.  Came to this conclusion several months ago and posted something to this effect.

4017 chip is running - as simple as it gets.  RMF for less than $5 US including wire and batteries.  Took 5 minutes to wire the chip, two hours for the coil.  (No phase adjust yet.)

So get off your asses and stop making excuses!

Quote from: Grumpy on July 17, 2007, 01:40:16 AM
The Tesla-ish "kick" at the beginning of circuit connection is the electrons flipping to align to the potential.  This is before a drift is formed and current starts to flow an occurs in the first couple of ns.  I posted some data a while back that this is dependent upon the resistance of the circuit - so resistive wire should lower the flip speed and allow RE expulsion with shorter wire.  Guess no one saw that.

I posted a "Delta Function" document a while back - kicks in the low ns range, but no one gave a rat's ass.  Funny that now we are talking about the same damn flip-flops and NAND gates - haha!!

SM never said his device utilized RE.  I think that it is realted but not Tesla's version.  No spark gap, no freaky high voltage and no RE migrating all over the place.  Came to this conclusion several months ago and posted something to this effect.

4017 chip is running - as simple as it gets.  RMF for less than $5 US including wire and batteries.  Took 5 minutes to wire the chip, two hours for the coil.  (No phase adjust yet.)

So get off your asses and stop making excuses!

LOL, Guess no one saw(although I know they did :P) all my posts on it either, or my PDF which showed the various relaxation times, guess both of our posts were passed by. LOL...

Grumpy, one constant thing regarding the TPU, is that information, no matter when posted, seems to sink into oblivion, only to resurface later. This has happened WAY more times than I can count.

And don't worry, our asses won't be on the 'chairs' for much longer my friend..........................

Many here keep incessantly chanting "build, build, build!"

The question is "build what  ??? "

I'm really tiring of that.

Until Steven Mark or UEC discloses some plans or a diagram of the coils and their interconnection, OR if and when someone develops something along the lines of the TPU, and can PROVE that it is overunity, OR someone puts forth a theory that to me seems to fit all the clues, I will continue the path I feel comfortable with.

So I would appreciate it if the constant "encouragement" to build would cease, and some respect afforded to those who may still be thinking about what, when, if, and how they will build and test. I am quite able to determine on my own when and how I am ready to build....alright?

Many thanks,
Darren

Quote from: z_p_e on July 17, 2007, 09:10:35 AM
Many here keep incessantly chanting "build, build, build!"

The question is "build what  ??? "

I'm really tiring of that.

Until Steven Mark or UEC discloses some plans or a diagram of the coils and their interconnection, OR if and when someone develops something along the lines of the TPU, and can PROVE that it is overunity, OR someone puts forth a theory that to me seems to fit all the clues, I will continue the path I feel comfortable with.

So I would appreciate it if the constant "encouragement" to build would cease, and some respect afforded to those who may still be thinking about what, when, if, and how they will build and test. I am quite able to determine on my own when and how I am ready to build....alright?

Many thanks,
Darren

What is REALLY funny Darren, is that you, me, and some others are getting HARASSED for not building yet, but the new guy to the forum Mark Snoswell(good approach man, love the conceptual model so far), they aren't yelling at him to BUILD, which is funny.

Just look at Mark's well put statement:

"This highlights a lesson I learned after being seduced into replication attempts of several types of devices (not TPU's). Seeking to blindly copy someone else?s design is a bit like gold rush fever. You don?t know what you are doing; you don?t have enough information to go on; it's often doomed to failure as it's based on misinformation. It's little better than gambling.

The lesson it to strive for understanding so that you can intelligently design your own devices and add to the collective pool of information."


SO, 'they' let that slide, but we and others get harassed, go figure...

i am almost ready to build

there i 1 thing that bothers me that is why are more people not using tubes it has been said too many times i think for those of you that want results easyer it is time to use tubes as steven said

i should have a tube generator in the mail today as the story goes that is where i will start with first as i think we all should have steven said that ss was verry hard to get it to start at all and must be inside the ring amoung many other things tubes do NOT  so my approch it to start easy then advance as we all should walk befor we run!!

ist

Hi all and the question by IST:
   Tubes? Well the darn things switch extremely fast. Now when they were playing with solid state, the transistors were very slow. We do have mosfets with gate drivers that will get to that speed. A tube is just the easy way to make it happen without worrying about all the noise and harmonics it generates. A bit of care must go into the design of the switching circuits. That comes right from Mannix. Hence why he kept asking if anyone knew what the difference between tubes and ss was. Took me a while to get there. I grew up with tubes and should have known it from the get go. Didn't catch on very quick tho.
   As for the build, well that is where I have seen all the strange things happen. No better thing than to see it right on the scope screen in front of you. Lots of dead horses in the box. A bunch that made it to the compacter as well. But, getting there and having a ball doing it.

thaelin

And on a side note: Gnosis made a ref to magnetometers and so off I went to see if I could gleen just what tesla meant by "tuning" one to the storm. Well, seems the freq the coils were set to was 32.5k and thats real close to the core freq of the 15" tpu. I would be uuber careful if you play with this one. Its the direct "center" frequency of lightning strikes if my guess is right. Tune slightly off center of it...... All starting to get solid.

Gotta find a switch that has an on time of 1 nano second?  That seems pretty unrealistic, but I'm not an expert on trasistors, mosfets, and tubes either.  Is there a device that can switch that flipping fast?

Here's a Hint. And Pay attention to the last item on the list especially... This is where I'm looking now..... toroids toroids toroids...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg33365.html#msg33365

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: Super God on July 17, 2007, 05:09:39 PM
Gotta find a switch that has an on time of 1 nano second?  That seems pretty unrealistic, but I'm not an expert on trasistors, mosfets, and tubes either.  Is there a device that can switch that flipping fast?

Take a look at the MG400Q1US41, datasheet attached. A bit large, but they should have similar lower power devices in smaller packages. I have not looked.

Rise Time (tr) 0.3 uS typ, 0.6 uS max
Turn-on Time 0.4 uS typ, 0.8 uS max
Fall Time 0.2 uS typ, 0.5 uS max
Turn-off Time 0.8 uS typ, 1.5 uS max

Bob

hello all here is 1 more important thought i had

and this was a quote from sauron some time ago he said that the winner will not be cold so what do you think that means also get it hot with a lot of noise what does that mean ?


here was my thought how do we cancel the magnetic flux well i know of a ring in france that cancles the flux by cold at -270 deg c. or around there so i think that is cold flux cancelation

ok with the tpu maybe it only cancles the flux after it gets hot also we can not cool it by fans so it makes me wonder also in 1 of the videos i think it looked like he got burned not shocked could that be how it works with heat he also says that he could harness some of the heat to make even more output

when i think of heat i think of crystals

hummm   ----------------- just thought i would share that thought


the ring in france is 37km big herd of this on the radio


ist

@Bob

Now that looks familiar! I used similar rated 5mHz  ;D

But I wasn't trying to produce usable power. Maybe there is something smaller now. I had to drive it (as someone on this forum put it 'homoplolar generator') with a car battery. IGBTs like to switch good size amps.
There are also ultra fast SCR's running in the low ns range. You should find them to be faster.

@Jdo300

Magnetic amplifiers? Look at using the same principles as magnetic gates/switches and then I'll welcome you to my insanity! Like I said before 'There is nothing faster'. Fast only happens when you don't allow Lorentz.

My impression of 'not cold' relates to this only previously done well below normal ambient temps and when it is running there is no sudden drop in temperature in the vicinity of the toroid. If there is then you are probably using IGBTs powered by a car battery.

Heat generation would be a design flaw. These things need to run at room temperature. If they create heat quickly then something isn't right.

But you know what opinions are like :)

Somebody refered to WO9840960,Maccanti et Dendi : ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICE

Inside,as reference:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO9637944&F=0
143 pages,a lot to read ! PECEM="KICKS" ?
Probably also the chance to think about the "Raman-effect "-influence  !

S
  dL

Hello all,

@Jason

yes, your last post shows us a hint.

I did it. Result: again I lost my equipment: coils melted, power supply burned, oscillators not working anymore properly....scope ok because it was NOT connected...please. people, be carefull and not such an idiot like me!!!

Im out of this nice "game" for a while!!!

@To all,

As Im on vacation from next Monday please dont send me PMs and mails because I have at home a very bad internet connection.

I will be back in a month but I see the people will handle the TPU in this 30 days.

I wish you all happy days and a great success.

Otto

@Otto
DE: Gut
EN: Good

edit: I wanted to express happiness about the fact that Otto managed again to find a setup which could be triggered into such a strong reaction.

@Otto,
please document this setup.

The WO9637944,important ? Yes !
Inventor: Waneck Wagner Martins
Google it !

Pflichta-Kreuz  + Laplacsche Operator:
you are all searching for the E-M-SOFTWARE !
With this GENOM you will have the possibility to produce virtual/artificial intelligence and
ex intelligencia the virtuals/artificials materials !

To get the OU-effect stadium the process-controler is your key,
P.O.D. through C.O.D. !

S
  dL

@tao,

I hope you do not mind my including some of your excellent diagrams in my latest write up:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2621.msg40277.html#msg40277

Keep up the good work.

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung

Quote from: ltseung888 on July 18, 2007, 09:45:39 PM
@tao,

I hope you do not mind my including some of your excellent diagrams in my latest write up:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2621.msg40277.html#msg40277

Keep up the good work.

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung

Lawrence,

Whatever helps us all have overunity systems in our hands, I am all for it.

Your writeup is looking better everyday. It is no problem that you used the images.

Quote from: tao on July 17, 2007, 09:27:57 AM

Quote from: z_p_e on July 17, 2007, 09:10:35 AM
Many here keep incessantly chanting "build, build, build!"

The question is "build what  ??? "

I'm really tiring of that.

Until Steven Mark or UEC discloses some plans or a diagram of the coils and their interconnection, OR if and when someone develops something along the lines of the TPU, and can PROVE that it is overunity, OR someone puts forth a theory that to me seems to fit all the clues, I will continue the path I feel comfortable with.

So I would appreciate it if the constant "encouragement" to build would cease, and some respect afforded to those who may still be thinking about what, when, if, and how they will build and test. I am quite able to determine on my own when and how I am ready to build....alright?

Many thanks,
Darren

What is REALLY funny Darren, is that you, me, and some others are getting HARASSED for not building yet, but the new guy to the forum Mark Snoswell(good approach man, love the conceptual model so far), they aren't yelling at him to BUILD, which is funny.

Just look at Mark's well put statement:

"This highlights a lesson I learned after being seduced into replication attempts of several types of devices (not TPU's). Seeking to blindly copy someone else?s design is a bit like gold rush fever. You don?t know what you are doing; you don?t have enough information to go on; it's often doomed to failure as it's based on misinformation. It's little better than gambling.

The lesson it to strive for understanding so that you can intelligently design your own devices and add to the collective pool of information."


SO, 'they' let that slide, but we and others get harassed, go figure...

@Tao

Mark is verifiying his theories through experimentation.  Bob Boyce experimented and look at him now.  SM used "lamp cord" to experiment with.

How many of the experiments and ideas put forth have you tested or even obtained the materials to test at a later time?  MY guess is "none".  You wander around - lost in the the maze of the "thought puzzle", and never push the walls to see if they open to the outside.

I, too, was in this "maze".  I pushed open a wall and now I am free.  It's like coming out of the "Matrix".   Instead of endlessly searching Google and reading posts on this forum - build what you need to test your ideas.

You can not gain the understanding that SM spoke of without getting your hands dirty.

Just build it - you can figure it out later.

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@Z_P_E

I was talking to Tao.  So kind of you to insert yourself into our conversation.   Stay in the Matrix - it's better for you.

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@Tao and Z_P_E

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.  Stop making excuses.  Make your thoughts and theories manifest.  OR - stay in the maze.  I'm done trying to help you.

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@Super God

About the 1 ns switch - time for electrons and such to flip is related to the resistance of the conductor.  IRF730 switches in low ns range - increase resistance of conductor to slow the rate of change which slows the flip.  (Don't know why I even bother,  1 in a million will even try this.)  Capacitors can also dump very quickly...hmm string of discharging capacitors might be interesting..

I suspect that this rate of change in potential can be slowed magnetically - similar to Tesla's magnetically quenched gap - have to try this out.

Grumpy wrote:

Quote
Build now - ZPE - build now!  RMF for less tha $5 with that 4017 chip

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@Z_P_E

I was talking to Tao.  So kind of you to insert yourself into our conversation.   Stay in the Matrix - it's better for you.

Grumpy, my post was in response to the first quote above which was from you a couple pages back.

I've tried my best to explain to you my approach and my point of view. I've considered your point of view, but must confess I don't fully understand it. Oh well, evidently, you don't understand mine either.

Guess from your point of view, I'll be in the "matrix", and you'll be in some other "enlightened" place.

Good for you! Happy trails.

Cheers,
Darren

I don't know where I've gone today... :D

--giantkiller.

You take the blue pill and the story ends.
You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.

You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

I already took 2  ;D

*hunting the rabbit in a slightly out of phase matrix environment  8)

Darren,

Whatever, Dude.  I tried to set you free just like a friend of mine tried to set me free for a long time. 

We all have amazing ideas, but left unmanifest, they become dust in the wind.

You think you will start experimenting when your "theory" is complete or close to it, but you never will.  No, you will just keep on thinking about it - "comfortably numb".

I read that Tao is getting a core for the Bob Boyce replication. 

Never too late, z_p_e, never to late to start breaking out of the mind control freak house bottomless pit cess pool of human waste Matrix.

Learn how to astral project - and take the red pill every night  ;D

@Grumpy
They're not ready .



TIME
IronHead

hey you all i take the blue pill at night and the red one in the morn

lol

just kidding i was out tube shopping tho and found a tube that goes by the name of 6bq7a  and i have ordered 2 more this one cost me 5 bucks the other 2 are around 15 or 20 bucks also i was at a junk store and picked up an old tube radio to play with

when i take the red pill all i see is red


ist

I've never had to take ANY kind of pill, open minded is the way to be :D
Heh.  Nice one IS :P  Blue at night, red in the morning.

@Grumpy/IronHead,

Cast forth whatever drivel you wish.

The proof will be in the pudding...right?  ;)

AFAIC, I'm done this discussion.

and the scarecrow' husk turned to dust...

He took the white pill - what was that? Cianide?  Must have had it up his sleeve.

Great Graphics... Great explanation of Loss of Lense.... So simple, right there all along.

If you're looking for HV kicks:

Obviously, increasing the inductance of the control coil will prevent current flow and cause a bigger inductive kick for a given voltage.

But have you tried making the control coil into some kind of resonant tank circuit, where the voltage is allowed to resonantly rise?

(and it could rise because you're not drawing current or adding Lense inductave reactance to the driver ckt)

Of course, resonance is alternating, and you need DC pulses, not AC, but what if you could somehow rectify a resonating circuit, eiether with semiconductors or with multiple control coils interacting ?

Could you not spike the control voltage very high and at a very fast pace and with clean sine waves? (no transistor nor tube switching required)

If you had the right circuit, it would only require a tickle of input power to keep the resonance going.  You can get that right from the output collector once started.

Interestingly, to resonate a toroidal shaped inductor, Diameter wire gauge, magnetic permiability of core, and of course henrys ALL play a part in the resonant frequency. (as Steven Mark suggested)

If you tune it right, it would run toward gain at resonance.  You would have to detune it to control it, as Steven mark suggested.

-Saintsnick

Wait a minute.....

During one kick (one cycle of operation),

If the control coil can push electrons linearly along the copper ring (collector)...

Which in turn induces a current in the collector .......

Which in turn induces a magnet B field......

Even though the B field is "in line" with the winds of the control coil (and therefor will not cause Lenz effect)  Can NOT the B field ALSO push electrons along the copper winds of the control coil electrostaticly same as input?  (linearly)

I would think SO.

Left Hand right hand blah blah blah... does this oppose the inital control current in the control coil ????? 

Weird.

-sNick

If the resonance floats on a bias the result will be DC with an AC component. Not saying that is the way it should work.

And induction from the collector to the control coil, yes. This is probably one of the tricks. Maybe phase and timing control to place that returned pulse between pulses of the control coil and maybe even time it so it becomes additive?
Or with a little wiring trickery make things like that and even BEMF directed to where it can be useful and additive to the process? - counter wound coils fed by shorting diode from other coil??

There are so many ways and coils - I must concentrate on only one design.

BEP mmm you know when the back feed works in some coils there is a factor of ac , now in what i'm asying the ac is at a different frequncy than the given freq , this is due to the overtone of the harmonics in resonance . most times it only relates at 155 at mostÃ,  BEST IN DC IS 1.2Ã,  math 1.4x the window + overtone harmonics snoidalÃ,    @ saint snick : yes it does count how you wind , the kick - as some call it is minor , what you need to do is make sure you pull the wave  forward and be able to stop the pulse before it congagates the end , Faraday!

Quote from: SM"You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it." "It really doesn't have any convertible AC component which could provide a mechanical motive force as you suggested." "They are only a means to achieve an end." "The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick." "I call it resonating." "You see, one little kick amounts to nothing." "However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick..."

Quote from: TaoThe output from the TPU is exactly the same, it is DC, meaning there is a continual movement of electron (voltage/current output), but it ALSO has an AC component (Hash), and this AC component (Hash) is what CREATES this DC component.

Yes ? but I think the details are a little bit more interesting when you dig deeper. Based on both theory and performance of two related device/technologies this is what I think is happening:

The kicks (longitudinal waves) actually result in dropping of a small percentage of free electrons into lower energy (spin) levels. The lower energy levels result in strong charge acceleration within the collector. At this stage it?s still all spin energy ? which is seen as HF pulsed DC. This couples to bulk current flow with the inductance smoothing out the HF... so in a very real way the ?AC? is just a means to an end. However the real interesting thing is that you can tap the HF longitudinal ?current? (got to find some consistent terminology to cope with the new energy flows ? otherwise people will be confused forever). The longitudinal current exhibits the behaviour attributed to ?cold current?.

@Grumpy
Whatd?ya mean I don?t experiment! ;) ... just for that I?ll have to go and take some photographs to post.

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 25, 2007, 03:55:29 AM
Yes ? but I think the details are a little bit more interesting when you dig deeper. Based on both theory and performance of two related device/technologies this is what I think is happening:

The kicks (longitudinal waves) actually result in dropping of a small percentage of free electrons into lower energy (spin) levels. The lower energy levels result in strong charge acceleration within the collector. At this stage it?s still all spin energy ? which is seen as HF pulsed DC. This couples to bulk current flow with the inductance smoothing out the HF... so in a very real way the ?AC? is just a means to an end. However the real interesting thing is that you can tap the HF longitudinal ?current? (got to find some consistent terminology to cope with the new energy flows ? otherwise people will be confused forever). The longitudinal current exhibits the behaviour attributed to ?cold current?.

Spin current.  (there is also "proton current" should anyone be wondering)

By the way, Tesla was adamant that the "particles" ejected by his RE device had so small a "charge" and that one would justified in calling them "neutrons" - perhaps "nutrino" is more accurate.  Funny that a neutron decays into an electron-proton pair.  Funnier that a neutron has a magnetic moment, yet no charge - sounds like a backward toroid with charge trapped and magnetic field exposed.  So, Tesla's RE device was ejecting "magnets" all over the place at extreme velocity - hence the charging effect when contacting his special "secondary" coil which was grounded at one end giving it a gradient, which by itself will not produce current but with a million magnets zipping into it - lit up like fireworks.  If a moving magnetic field creates a torsion field, how would this apply to Tesla's RE device?

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 25, 2007, 03:55:29 AM

@Grumpy
Whatd?ya mean I don?t experiment! ;) ... just for that I?ll have to go and take some photographs to post.

Sorry, I meant that you DO experiment rather than just sitting around spouting theory, but would love to see the photos anyway. 

The point I tried to convey is that theory needs to be proven or disproven through experimentation.  Otherwise it is just thoughts, right, wrong, or indifferent.  I was trying to urge Tao and Z_P_E to get involved with experimentation.

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Let us not forget that the electron, proton, and neuron all have magnetic moment and spin, but only the proton and electron have charge (leaving ions out for now).  So, gentlemen, if the spin produces the magnetic moment, what the hell causes the charge?

Here is a guarantee:
Nothing complicated to build.
Use many small turns(200 will do) of 30awg perpendicular to 16awg many small strands.
Smack the copper fast.
Exit fast.
Look at the display on an analogue scope.
Amazing things show up.

This is a great platform to theorize with where dreams come true.

--giantkiller. All the builders sing 'All together now, all together now(chorus)', repeat. Old beatles' song.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 25, 2007, 10:47:23 AMLet us not forget that the electron, proton, and neuron all have magnetic moment and spin, but only the proton and electron have charge (leaving ions out for now).  So, gentlemen, if the spin produces the magnetic moment, what the hell causes the charge?

:)  -- easy, I have seen this in the spinor animations. The Neutron spins, but with no net handedness. It's the net spin direction that gives rise to charge. It's the spin that give rise to magnetism. This is why magnetism has momentum and charge has potential.

You cant have charge without spin but you can have spin without charge...

Another way of viewing the Neturon is that it rotates wherass the proton and electron spin. Thus the neutron has no charge as it has no view independant rotation handedness.

Yet another analogy: Protons and electrons are like (spherical 4D) helices -- positive and negative, wheras the neuton is like a (spherical 4D) circle. They all have spin but you cant atribute a handedness to the neutron.

cheers

mark s.

Suppose you briefly "unbalance" the neutral charge of a neutron, wouldn't it try very hard to re-balance it's charge?

Since neutrons decay into a proton-electron pair when out of an atom, don't the proton and electron fields somehow sustain the neutron in this balanced state? 

Could one then say that unbalancing either of the three, effects the other?

So, if electrons are drifting as current and then suddenly stopped, a few neutrons get unbalanced and then what happens?

Here you might find an interesting read, to all thats followed the tpu from day 1. its about pro john searl and his s.e.g generator, the story goes that he had this amazing generator in the 60`s and 70`s, but was robbed and lost everything. hes now rebuilding his work and posting videos on youtube. Basically the australian guy we see and hear in one of the steven marks videos is brian collins, and its the same guy that worked with prof. searl and stole his work.

On this link is a breif explanation by searl about his machine, and he mentions steven mark. Goto the Information tab, then Documents, then you can click on the physics of the seg and igv. think its part 3
http://swallowcommand.com

Quote from: Grumpy on July 30, 2007, 10:47:42 AM
Suppose you briefly "unbalance" the neutral charge of a neutron, wouldn't it try very hard to re-balance it's charge?

Since neutrons decay into a proton-electron pair when out of an atom, don't the proton and electron fields somehow sustain the neutron in this balanced state? 

Could one then say that unbalancing either of the three, effects the other?

So, if electrons are drifting as current and then suddenly stopped, a few neutrons get unbalanced and then what happens?

Interesting concept -- In a metal the neutrons are buried deep inside a relativly huge multilayer electron wave set and only the outer free electrons participate in current flow. This makes it highly unlikely that you could affect a neutron in a metal. However in the lighter elements the neutron is more exposed -- I have been thinkin go fdoing tests with a long column of water as a medium for longitudinal waves. If I do get around to this then a logical extension would be to do the test with heavy water (not dificult or too expensive to get thees days).

I'll have to go back to the work of Dave Lowrance.  He was able to influence the neutron layer as he calls it.

He claims that the neutron is the source of diamagnetic effects and the strongest tempic (torsion) field effects.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/Protonics.htm

New Zealand Mirror site: http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Protonics.htm

Can the neutron be influenced by fields of a certain "order"?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8635897559220353909
:)


more on john searl

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Hi Tao,

Quote from: tao on July 16, 2007, 11:26:30 PM
The term KICK, when used in all of our contexts when refering to the TPU, was originally coined by Steven Mark. Steven clearly states that the KICK he is talking about is the HV that is generated BEFORE current starts flowing in ANY conductor, it is all based on electron gas relaxation times (I made a PDF will all these last year).

Would you please point the post # or repost that PDF?

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So, the PRIMARY way that we should be generating KICKs is to only use the HV spike that appears BEFORE the current flows in our control coils, that is, if we TRULY want to adhere to what Steven Mark said.

Maybe we could use the Fly-back approach. Imagine a 9V coil switched by an HV transistor.
When the transistor switches off we get a HV kick. We'll need to select an HV transistor who deals with the HV kick without smoking itself out.

So we have a coil with a DC voltage about 9V that suddenly rises to some 800V DC, same polarity.
This 'kick' put some electrons to move on the collector coil. The electron speed can be estimated and also the distance they will move in the kick's time. From that we could calculate the coil's lenght and the next coil position, possibly overlapping the first coil.

Its like squeezing a water hose...

Assuming the electrons will accelerate from coil to coil, we'll need some feedback signal to synchronize the kicks with the flow of electrons. We'll need to control the kick repetition rate and possibly its amplitude (the energy input to the electron acceleration).

Also, the control circuit needs to switch the transistor on again before the kick reverts itself, to avoid reversing the electric field in the coil.

Need the time to build this thing...

Kosh

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@acerwz

ROLF LOL ... this doc has been emailed to everyone -- from months back. Absolutly nothing new or interesting in it -- just a very naeive "discovery" of how magnetic remnance works... or it's just a joke...

Ouite possiably it's just another clever attempt at sabotage of the credability of these forums and simillar places. Believe me -- we run formus with 250,000+ registered members so I know -- this is *the* best way to sabotage a group, individual or whole area... You polute it with material that is a mix of crazy stuff and a hint of credability... even better if you make it look like some great secret that you dont want let out. I have seen some other attempts recently at sabotage of a simillar sort -- the methods are straight out of someones text book on how to control public opinion.

Look out for the signs: The people backing these will be anonymous. They usually wont be consistent -- perhaps a new user but with inconsistant activity. They will mix a bit of credability with some totally crazy connection or claims that are intended to atract more fringe people and start flame wars... anything that diverts energy and attention from constructive activities.

The best strdegy for handling these people and the material they spread it to block them, delete their material or just move them to their own litttle corner where they dont distract anyone.

Mark.

Hi all......
Let me clear up a few things...
Matt Emery is my friend....the pictures of the meter in that pdf file are not correct.
I can speak for Matt in saying that those pics were removed from public after he realized they were incorrect. That was ages ago.....maybe 2 1/2 years or more.
I don't know who made the pdf file?
Somebody just started my computer bleeping and then blamed me for it.......I was just at home chillin' now i have to defend my mate Matty?
Tough game this OU buisness  :-\
I would disreguard that pdf unless the one who compiled it shows who he his!
Well, the part about Matt anyway.
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A U shaped electromagnet that has a keeper magnetized to the prongs by a short charge from a battery, will retain the magnetic circuit indefinately.
Matt tested his for almost one year, supporting its own weight by the keeper.
According to modern theory there is no motion inside that magnetic circuit, but according to the theory of Ed Leedskalnin there is motion inside the magnetic circuit.
That is what Matt (and I a bit later on) are working on.
By the way....according to Ed Leedskalnin's theory, the kicks you are talking about before current flow are caused by particle angular displacement.
Before the particles can run in the wire, they have to turn to the right angle first.
Once they have turned to that angle and will run in the wire, but...theoretically you can disrupt the current and they will return to their natural position on their own over and over without really having any current flow.
Scotty
Leedkkalnin.com

Thanks for the post acerzw:

Although I have seen all the documents before, I have not seen the relationship between Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder and the TPU before. The red footnotes in the document helped.

Thanks again for the post. Take care.

nap

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Quote from: acerzw on November 07, 2007, 08:55:19 AM

Studying the device in the PDF I think an error has been made, if the device is to work like leedskalnin's it looks like the coil would have to be composed of two separate pieces of iron or steel, one magnetised, the other as the keeper. The coils would then go over the magnetised ends of one half...
Acerzw

Axerzw

Very interesting!! Don't you think that Cook's coils (patent 119825) might be related?
(Remember the BrnBrade thread.....)

lol!! 8)

@acerzw

perhaps you made the mistake  ;)

never the less the journey lies ahead!!


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I don't mean to be negative here, just curious.
There are several cases of success using this, or similar coil-type designs that apparently tap a "free" energy source.  Of course the final proof would be to disconnect the input power source, and show  that the unit continues to run.  While I have not seen any such videos, I'm sure it's been done.
But I am leery about coils because it is so difficult to verify the power source (or, lack thereof)! 

To clarify, it's a little trick oft used to fool people into investing in bogus claims of free energy:  Hide a primary coil in the closet, and walk around holding a receiver coil that "magically" lights a light bulb.  Now, this is a great and useful technology, but by no means "free."  This was the basis for Tesla's vision of wireless power transmission. 

Now, I'm not suggesting that anyone here has staged their experiments!  But think about it.  There is electromagnetic radiation all around us.  Power lines, TVs, household wiring, cellphones, satelite signals, etc, are all pumping energy into the atmosphere.  And for all intents and purposes, sure it's free- as in it is excess.  But it aint limitless, or renewable. 

Has there been sufficient testing to show that these coils have not simply tuned into the receiving frequency of these sources?

Is the optimal frequency of such a coil the same in Europe as the US (employing different AC frequencies)?  Has any of these machines been successfully transported, and observed running in a remote "off the grid" area?

Again, I'm not trying to debunk here!  This all looks very promising indeed!  But what if I built, or bought one to power my house?  Would all my neighbor's bills go up?  Would I be suddenly in the dark along with everyone else in a power outage?  We have no idea!

I just haven't seen any video tests that weren't indoors, plugged into a wall, and close to hundreds of emf generators- and that worries me.

Insights?

@esoteric,

you bring up tesla, like he was doing his experiments like you and i have to do.  have you thought the he was the one that invented our current power grid?  when he was doing his work they simply were not the same.  do we have to account for this, in our experiments?  certainly!!  does that mean that it can't be done?  ceretainly not!!

lol
sam

Quote from: Esotericman on November 07, 2007, 04:45:54 PM
I don't mean to be negative here, just curious.
nsights?

I agree Esotericman.  The tpu coil demonstrated by SM could  well be a coil powered by RF.  The kicker field often referred to happens to generate a highly radiant electric field.  That spike shown on GK's oscilliscope in his singing amplified input signals is definitely in the RF wavelength.  This kick reacts with the conductor ring by radiating an electrical field directly into the collector ring due to the geometry of the transmitter coil and collector coil.  Even if this energy field doesn't radiate directly it is close enough to couple capacitively.  So an electrical potential is set up inside the collector.  This would result in a movement of electrons in the collector rings proportional to the field radiated less losses. Copper at room temperature is not a superconductor by any stretch of the imagination and a goodly amount of the energy from the kicker would result in conductor heating and alot of the power not even effect the collector. So now we have a tiny electron flow inside the collector.  When this current flows it will set up a magnetic field which will influence the kicker coil.  This would result in some oscillation local to the kicker coil which will die real fast unless it gets an external push.  This push could come from ambient rf,uhf,vhf,fluorescent lighting,vent fans, commercial radio stations,  cell phones, microwave oven leakage, variable frequency drives, grid transients, etc. etc. etc.  Tune this baby in with a second coil driven at a harmonic of the first and you get reinforcement of the first oscillator from the second antennae -oscillator- kicker coil and pretty soon you've got the collector coil cooking.  This could be Telsa's wireless power grid receiver.  I highly doubt it would run in a shielded cage.  Still pretty neat using all that wasted RF energy.

It is cool- great way to rip off the power companies if nothing else ;)
But the problem is of course, is it extra?  I mean sure it's waste- but it may be necessary waste.  A turbo can tap some of the wasted exhaust pressure, but too much will conk out the motor!

Plus the fact that your free energy car would only work as long as you're near "the grid":p


@Sam- Not sure if I understood your post... I wasn't trying to imply that Tesla was tapping into any ambient radiation due to power lines, etc.  I meant that he was creating it with his Wardenclyffe tower!

Its funny, I've read about so much concern over the safety of his proposed system- how all that emf radiation would cause cancer and screw up the ecosystem.  But here we are doing it anyway!  I wonder- if all the infrastructure involved in power transmission today were replaced by Tesla's Global Power vision, could it really be any worse?

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I have just received my copy of the book 'Pyramid Energy: The Philosophy of God, The Science of Man' written by Dean & Mary Hardy and Marjorie & Kenneth Killick, published by Delta-K Products ISBN 0-932298-58-7.

i was jokeing


lol


no one is at fault it is the puzzel  lol


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@Acer

as you are certanly aware the base diagram you post is a form like the ECD double crossed Mobius collector I do know quite well (actually I'm using also the same output tap approach!). The difference is that in your case the collector is coiled onto an iron core rather than in air (and  turn's number as well).
Of course in my case unfortunately I've not yet found a way to start it with a mag: I ASSURE YOU!.

Roberto

@ reberto tune your controls to the harmonics of the permant magnet

no??

makes me think the tuning forks  hummmmmm

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   leedskalin device looks like storage of energy not generation of power.  When the keeper is seperated from the rest of the magnetized core. (Which I imagine involves work)  A change in the reluctance of the magnetic circuit causes a change in the magnetic field density of the soft iron core.
The windings experience a change in magnetic flux and induce a current flow. Changing the magnetic concentration in a field is one way to convert power.  I believe the tpu works on a principle of power gain that does not use this principal at all.  It works faster than a magnetic field can respond.  Plain and simple.

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Quote from: acerzw on November 13, 2007, 04:34:28 PM
@all

Just to show what a crazy mad person I am I will post the following drawing which is really a bit of fun but kind of follows logically in my mind... I am sure that it is probably a waste of time building it, however I am posting it in the hope that it twill inspire others to try some crazy ideas.... and be more creative....

I present to you the Rodin/Leedskalnin hybrid TPU design... just for fun...  :P

Acerzw

@acerzw,

whaaat????  sorry i just didn't get it.  try again please.  i know you meant well. please help me to understand.

oh!!! have you checked rosophere's completed rodin coil?  it is a work of art. can't wait to see what kind of "loops" he puts that baby through.

lol
sam

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Hi all, i've been interested in this TPU ever since i stumbled upon it a week ago.

Has everyone forgot that SM said the unit was not a free energy device (seems everyone has got carried away on this point)? Rather it uses the earths magnetic field to generate the power?

Also having said that, i would presume the earths magnetic energy would be static, as far as i know we need a dynamic magnetic field to generate any form of consistent energy.

I also note the Rodin/Leedskalnin idea uses a capacitor between the diodes on the output? SM mentioned that the output was a dc current (though at a freq of 6000hz), only ac currents will flow through a capacitor. Unless i'm wrong and would appreciate if someone could correct me?

how i guess that the tpu is working:

there is a rotating magnetic filed in a superconductor ring. as you may see in patents  it is a ring and in the ring there are holes .
the magnetic filed is swirling in holes. from thouse holes you take the magnetic filed by 90 degree brake. and so the magnetic filed is stay. in that firm that invented the tpu they specialize in super condactors of room temperature.

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can u sum it up for us Ace?..thnx. :)

Yes Ace, would you mind summing it up? I've been reading flat out trying to catchup and can only find a few people who are trying to make switchmode toroidal transformers powered from a dc power supply. Nothing to do with actually sourcing energy of any kind. Its making me think that people have lost focus on what this invention actually does.

Well the first prototypes did need a 9v battery to 'start them up'.  So instead of wasting batteries, other people who are doing the experimenting use power supplies until they can get some sort of run away effect or something.

hello hello
jep i got really stupid idea's

think oregon vortex is outer ring and to compass is inner coil
but in tpu
use somekind electric compass (fluxgate?)or simple coil device
inner coil creats kick's (poles) to outer ring and round they go and inner coil just follow's them?
what happen's when you use two or tree outer ring's?
maybe wrong maybe right?

Hi all,
I am an experienced Pic programmer. I also have great experience with Mosfets. I have put together a supposed TPU controller that can spin 8 coils in any direction. I used a Pic chip to control the frequency and I used very large FET?s to spike the coils. I tried the unit on a TPU type coil structure that I made. I was able to get the TPU to run the frequency generator and the drivers to the Fet?s part of the system but, it would not sustain the hole load of the coil and the system. I don?t think I have the right coil design but I do believe my controller is working correctly. I can manipulate the code to make the controller do whatever I want. I made the controller with an interface to HyperTerminal to adjust the speed of rotation and the duration or Pulse width of the pulses on time.
Utilizing this controller I can monitor some voltages in the device .The Pic I used has 8
A to Ds in it .
I am seeking a coil structure and some one to work with on obtaining a working unit. I saw the posting on the tpu_end_game. pdf posting .I followed this but still no luck. Perhaps it would be helpful if you all could post me some questions. The controller I build does work.
I prefer to talk over the phone so if some one would like to contact me that would be fine. Please send me your contact info via this website.

HR

Could someone tell me how to get in touch with Steven?

@ iranut

no,but this way it`s more fun  ;)