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Title: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on July 21, 2007, 04:59:04 PM
Hey Marco,

Been meaning to ask you. what type of coil did you use for you KICK coil in the dancing magnets?

Toroidal coil or a normal inductor.

Because, one would THINK that a normal inductor(electromagnet) pointed at the dancing magnets would work best, but yours definitely appears to be a toroidal coil in the video...Add to that the fact that is a toroidal coil setup, the B field should be mostly contained in the toroid. So, what is dancing the magnets if it is a toroidal coil doing the kicking? The uncurled A field?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529

Below is two images I made, to show the two different coils.

Thanks Marco!!!

Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 22, 2007, 08:22:53 AM
Hi Tao  :)

I will do a write up of the verry intresting experiment.

The 2 Little magnets were pullen off two little Pc-Speakers.
The one big magnet is pulled out of a 5"25 old floppy drive (the ones with the flexible big disks)
The "kick coil" is a ferrite ring pulled out an old computer too and it is on the wires going to the reset and on/off switches between the motherboard and the frontpanel.

It has got some turns of normal mag wire around it and it is a closed torroid, it was pulsed with a normal square wave comming from a function generator.

So basicly alll parts are pulled out of one old computer i took apart because it was broken.

I did get a lot of feedback on the video.
Some people who wrote me told me the flux would have to stay inside the torroid.
I still do not know what was going on and i am trying to replicate the same experiment again.

Maybe the torroid sets up an area which interacts with the 7,8 Hz schumann resonance magnetic powerwave?
Or pherhaps the magnets own resonance frequency is around 8 Hertz too...

we all know the "magnifying" properties of ferite especially when used in recieving antennas.
Pherhaps it works the same way when using it in a transmitting device.

So if anybody can explain what happend ,youre welcome  :) i will try to replicate the experiment because it still leaves alot of awnsers open.

Thanks
Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on July 22, 2007, 03:10:46 PM
Well, what APPEARS to be happening is that you are using the UNCURLED 'A' Potential and modulating it at 7.8Hz, and somehow this directly interacts with the magnets at this KEY frequency... Quite exciting!

You are using the Aharonov-Bohm effect. I recommend you all read this http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/On%20the%20Aharonov-Bohm%20Effect1.doc

Here I quote Bearden:
"A formal definition of the AB effect is: "The phase shift of an electron wave function resulting in an alteration in the interference pattern of a double slit electron diffraction experiment in the presence of a potential magnetic field even if the magnetic field is shielded so that diffracted electrons do not pass through it."  In simple terms, what this says is that, when the AB effect occurs, somewhere there is a B-field that is "shielded" and thus localized and contained in that region, and if it were not shielded then the B-field would be at the spatial point of interest and would affect electrons (move them).  In potential theory, when the B-field (curl or swirl of the magnetic vector potential) is shielded and localized in that fashion, then in the space where the B-field would ordinarily be but now is not present, there appears a "field-free" and "swirl-free" or "curl-free" A-potential.  This potential does affect the electrons there, even though there rigorously is no "magnetic field B" there at all. "

"A simple toroid coil can demonstrate the effect, as can a long solenoid coil (such that it can to first order be approximated to be of infinite length).  The toroid will hold in the B-field inside its coils, but the uncurled A-potential will also appear outside the coil and it WILL affect and move electrons. "


So, in Marco's toroid coil, the MAGNETIC B FIELD is CONTAINED in the toroid, SO the ONLY field that is OUTSIDE the toroid is the UNCURLED(FIELD-FREE) 'A' FIELD(POTENTIAL). The best way to PERTURB AND MODULATE this 'A' FIELD which is OUTSIDE the toroid is to use SHARP SQUARE PULSES! Marco says that he got the absolute best effect when he was using SQUARE WAVES, hrmmmmmmmm. So, obviously we have a link here.

I have a feeling that if you use a normal inductor, like in my picture above, you MIGHT NOT get the same dancing magnets effect........

I'll leave you all with this for now...
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 22, 2007, 03:15:48 PM
Hey, i did not know that  :)

thanks Tao.
i will see if i can build another setup to see if it does the same thing.
Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: NerzhDishual on July 22, 2007, 03:46:47 PM

Hi Guys!

May I suggest you this JL Naudin experiment about the Vector Potential (A vector), with
videos: http://jlnlabs.imars.com/vpexp/index.htm (http://jlnlabs.imars.com/vpexp/index.htm)

Best
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tsakou on July 22, 2007, 03:50:35 PM
ATTENTION! YOU'RE MESSING AROUND WITH YOUR BRAIN WAVES!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_waves






Quote from: tao on July 21, 2007, 04:59:04 PM
Hey Marco,

Been meaning to ask you. what type of coil did you use for you KICK coil in the dancing magnets?

Toroidal coil or a normal inductor.

Because, one would THINK that a normal inductor(electromagnet) pointed at the dancing magnets would work best, but yours definitely appears to be a toroidal coil in the video...Add to that the fact that is a toroidal coil setup, the B field should be mostly contained in the toroid. So, what is dancing the magnets if it is a toroidal coil doing the kicking? The uncurled A field?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529

Below is two images I made, to show the two different coils.

Thanks Marco!!!


Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: lancaIV on July 22, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
Why "ATTENTION!...",
this sphere is included,do you not know about Flanagans "Neurophone" !
The later experiment: the inverse function, the mind-detector,4D !

S
  dL
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tsakou on July 22, 2007, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: lancaIV on July 22, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
Why "ATTENTION!...",
this speare is included,do you not know about Flanagans "Neurophone" !
The later experiment: the inverse function, the mind-detector,4D !

S
  dL

Because the only tool I have is my brain. If it stops working properly, I don't need, neither free energy, neither all that techno stuff. Are you sure that in the long run, all that, don't damage your brain? Has anybody proved that?
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tsakou on July 22, 2007, 07:22:20 PM
Quote from: lancaIV on July 22, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
Why "ATTENTION!...",
this speare is included,do you not know about Flanagans "Neurophone" !
The later experiment: the inverse function, the mind-detector,4D !

S
  dL

I also looked at neurophone, and it transmits supersonic signals. It doesn't interfere with the brain wave oscillations that have a frequency of 8-12  Hz. Exposing yourself to input signals at that frequencies are extremely dangerous! Ask a neurologist, if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: lancaIV on July 22, 2007, 07:51:23 PM
Signal to noise,noise to signal:
the neurophone transmit the information as supersonic wave,
but how will this wave received and transduced,neuronal ?
Normally chemical,between the synapses.
The alpha-sphere is during our rehabilitation-phase,also called sleep,
the dream/mind movie-period !
We do not know,actually, the consequences,waves frequency-related.
And each body has his own ,different,acceptance-limits.
Magnets have for example,following the patent publication object,
in the uterus an anti-baby-effect ! Specific magnet frequency ?
Can be also usefull against cancer,if real !

S
  dL
Title: KEY to the TPU? Flux-canceling, gravity, magnetism, 1 hz mechanical shock waves
Post by: tao on July 23, 2007, 01:52:00 AM
Let us not forget Marco's 'strange coincidence', that he noticed...

His dancing magnets, when vibrating, have a sub-oscillation that can EASILY be SEEN in his dancing magnets video. This oscillation is about 1 hz.

Marco noted that in Steven Mark's one video, where he has the really small TPU on the glass table, and you can HEAR th vibrations from the TPU via the glass table. These vibrations are occurring at the same 1 hz rate!

So, Marco cleverly spliced a nice video (The video is at the bottom of this post) together for us all. The video has the VIDEO from his dancing magnets, and the AUDIO is from Steven Mark's TPU that was on the table.


LISTEN TO THE OSCILLATING FREQUENCIES, THEY ARE FROM THE TPU, BUT, THEY ARE PERFECTLY MATCHED TO THE ~1 Hz OSCILLATIONS THAT YOU SEE IN THE DANCING MAGNETS VIDEO. THIS IS NOT COINCIDENCE FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I could show all the spectrogram analysis data if anyone wants...



Want to know something even more interesting?

The UNCURLED 'a' POTENTIAL that Marco's dancing magnets seem to be using, WELL, it is linked to the work of HOOPER http://rexresearch.com/hooper/hooper1.htm http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm

WELL, guess what? The company/people who were working on a variant of HOOPER's system, which involves FLUX-CANCELATION (Steven Mark, anyone????) to CREATE these UNCURLED (FIELD-FREE) POTENTIALS, which HOOPER thought directly INTERACT WITH GRAVITY (upside down TPUs don't work, anyone???), WELL, Guess what this company/people announced recently............................................


"Lehnerons is the designation for the newly discovered cosmic, mechanical energy waves found throughout the universe according to Oliver Crane (author) and Jean-Marie Lehner, coauthor of "Central Oscillator and Space Quanta Medium," 1992.

"Lehnerons" are the fifth basic physical force discovered on January 6, 2005, the cosmic primeval energy, derived from primeval energy sources, the quasars, pulsars and more than 86,400 supernovae explosions per day in the observable universe ( = approx. one supernovae explosion per second )."

http://www.rqm.ch/discovery_of_cosmic_primeval_ene.htm



HMMM, that is about 1 PER SECOND, hmmmm, 1 Hz?????!?!?!?!?!?!? , HMMMM, The sub-oscillation that you HEAR from Steven's TPU, HMMMMMMMMM, the sub-oscillation you see in Marco's Dancing TPUs?!?!?!?!, HMMMM, The fact that this RQM company was working directly to flux-canceling, field-free potentials, and Steven Mark's words about those same things, HMMMMMMMMM

I hope you guys are paying attention.................



Here is another excerpt from RQM(the guys who made the discovery):

"The Fifth Basic Physical Force Has Been Discovered!

These are the "hidden parameters" according to Albert Einstein and the "hidden variables" according to David Bohm (1952)

Based on an Internet search on January 6, 2005 with the Google engine, I read the Hannover University publications concerning the GEO-600 project and found that its scientists understand or surmise gravitation waves to be electromagnetic waves, though they have been unable to measure or prove gravitation waves. I was so disappointed by this work that I continued my search, going to the Internet pages for gravitation research of the Max Planck Institute. Here for the first time in my life, I read that physics knows only four basic forces and that physicists suspect and are searching for a fifth basic force.

At that moment, as publisher and co-author of Oliver Crane?s ?Central Oscillator and Space Quanta Medium,? which we published and advertised in 1992 in an edition of 1,050 copies, I noted that the fifth natural force mentioned by Oliver Crane on pages 87 ff. is in fact new. At the same time I had a mental flash that told me that Oliver Crane?s fifth basic energy are the ?hidden parameters? surmised by Albert Einstein.

I had made a sensational discovery, which was hidden from Albert Einstein up to his death in 1955, as well as to all other physicists around the world.

After I had recovered from the shock of discovery, I sketched the following paper, which my colleague Martin Cadonau posted that same day on the Internet under www.rqm.ch.

Oliver Crane postulates the following new basic physical force in "Central Oscillator and Space Quanta Medium,? Universal Experten Verlag, 1992, ISBN 3-9520261-0-7 (1st and 2nd editions are out of print):

Gravitation is not an attraction of mass, but the effect of ultra high frequency, mechanical pressure- or shock waves in space quanta medium or in interstellar/intergalactic medium. It is the 5th basic force which physicists have been long searching for. They are ultra high-frequency mechanical sound waves from all directions of the universe, which penetrate and provide and charge everything with mechanical energy, and which constantly create new matter: Expansion of the earth, the planets, the suns, etc. Also, all atomic structures (animate and inanimate) are continuously being supplied and charged with this newly-discovered mechanical energy.

This means, that in the universe, alongside the known electromagnetic waves (light, infrared radiation, gamma rays, etc.) there are much more powerful mechanical pressure- and shock waves, previously unknown to science because these ultra high-frequency sound waves penetrate all previous measuring equipment (for example, the GEO 600 in Hannover ) without measurable effect. Meaningful readings can only be taken by using the patented RQM space quanta modulators; because they enable gravitation modulation and can also simulate a greater mass and/or generate a greater resistance.

The mechanical pressure- and shock waves in the universe and in the interstellar/intergalactic or space quanta medium are created by quasars, pulsars and ca. 86,400 supernovae explosions per day in the observable universe (ca. 1 supernova explosion per second, see Nature 395, 635/636; 663-674 (1998) and NZZ Neue Z?rcher Zeitung of Nov. 4, 1998 page 67). The existence of the medium is proved by NEMP (Nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse), which is generated by atom bomb explosions(Steven Mark said?) and can destroy electrotechnical facilities at a distance of up to several thousand kilometers because it leads to a gigantic shift of electrons in the electric lines carrying power (see: simultaneous power failure in Hawaii during an American atom bomb explosion, with the "Starfish" bomb in the Pacific, Johnston Island, July 9, 1962; see RQF-Magnetik-Magazin, special edition 1996, pages 16-17).

The gravitation effect is created as a difference in pressure between the full shock waves striking the earth, on the one hand, and the shock waves weakened by earth mass and density on the other, which penetrate the earth from the opposite side. The same applies to all other planets, suns, etc. and their mass and density.

The unbelievably high number of 86,400 supernovae explosions per day in the observable universe, confirmed by the astrophysicists in Nature 395, 635/636; 663-674 (1998) and NZZ Neue Z?rcher Zeitung of Nov. 4, 1998 page 67, with an average of one supernova explosion per second (estimated by Jean-M. Lehner at ca. 86,400 per day = number of seconds per day) shows the outstanding importance of the publications at the time, which were not even noticed by the astrophysicists and authors responsible for the scientific publication. Most people think there are only a few supernovae explosions per decade, and Prof. Zwicky has only observed 15 explosions in his entire life.

Oliver Crane, alias Louis Sigrist, who died in 1992, postulated a central oscillator, because he also was unaware of the large number of supernovae explosions. Today, however, we can clearly imagine that the effects of these 86,400 supernovae explosions per day in the distant, observable universe can create something like a ?central oscillator? at the center of the universe. Like NEMP, the shock waves of each individual supernova explosion take effect simultaneously in all directions because the space quanta medium has the highest imaginable pressure and highest density. The signal speed can therefore be many times greater than the multiple speed of light known today from tunneling experiments.

The explosive effect of supernovae explosions operates in all directions of the universe, both inward to the center of our universe and outwards, as well as in all other directions and in addition to gravitation also plays a part in the known accelerated expansion of the universe. The big bang and the big bang theory are therefore no longer necessary."






Dare I mention Henry Moray, or Steven Mark's words talking about BEAT FREQUENCIES?

"This energy, or as Dr. Moray explains it ? these oscillations of Energy, are picked up by the device through the oscillators, or neutron bombardment. As stated, these surgings or oscillations of Energy coming and going as the waves of the sea are picked up by the Moray Device because the Moray Device is tuned to oscillate in harmony with the oscillations of the universe. Every oscillation, whether large or small, is completed during the same interval of time. The beat note of time, the heart beats of life, the oscillations of the Universe all prove the same great fact that oscillations are all governed by the same cycle of time, completed during the same interval of time, and as I stated before, these waves of energy have a regular beat note of time, coming and going as the waves of the sea, but in a very definite mathematical order of time, coming to the earth from every direction with a regular beat note that might be referred to as the Father of Time, the Sire of Gravitation."
http://www.rexresearch.com/moray/speech.htm
http://www.rexresearch.com/beyond/beyond.htm
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: specter on July 23, 2007, 02:35:43 AM
I think that effect might be caused by leakege of B-field. There is now ideal toroid coil :) I think you should try to feed your coil with DC current and measure the force acting on your magnets setup. If nothing happens - there is no likeage. Simple :) So if there will be no force - we have very interesting effect. Kind of EM waves. If you have an alternating B/H-field in the coil it produces alternating E-field around the coil wich induces alternating B-field (according to Maxwell's equations) around (outside) the coil.

So just try DC current.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: woidbam on July 23, 2007, 07:27:37 AM
Please test the the following frequency:

7,442 Hz

thank you
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: bluedemon on July 23, 2007, 10:52:33 AM
Here is an interesting site dealing with the A field:  http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 23, 2007, 01:13:37 PM
hmm those brainwaves again..
somebody told me that in fact every living creature's brain on this planet is interacting with this magnetic wave.
the simalarities can easily been seen on an EEG scan.
so it turns out our brains somehow know a way to tap into this energy and pherhaps we can build a device which does this also  :)

one thing is for sure, it is present evreywhere.
it seems to be a DC wave in nature and the coil did get a continous DC voltage and the pulses were added on top.

next i will try to cancel out one half of the sequence to see if i can end up with the phenomenon of induction.

Marco.



Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on July 23, 2007, 05:17:30 PM
Below I will be showing you an excellent paper by Rick Andersen. He starts off with the premise that there is an 'aetheric' field, and from there he formulates exactly how magnetic fields are made. From this he stretches his theory to account for the KNOWN FIELDS 'B' and 'A' that make up magnetic fields, but he references them to the AETHER.

I want you to ESPECIALLY pay attention to the 'Figure 8'. It CLEARLY shows that this 'A' field is like Marco said, it is pointing OUTWARD from the CENTER of a TOROIDAL COIL, and based on Rick's theory, This 'A' field is really POTENTIALS IN THE AETHER/Vacuum...

So, in Marco's dancing magnets, he is POINTING this 'A' POTENTIAL DIRECTLY AT THOSE DANCING MAGNETS. And at 7.8Hz, the magnets are moving INCREDIBLY VIOLENTLY. Is it chance?, hell no...

There MOST DEFINITELY is something going on here, something to due with the Earth's natural resonance, which is found by dividing the speed of light by the Earth's circumference, and something to do with 'aetheric' (or 'potentials in the vacuum') flows here, and especially at this 7.8Hz frequency.

What SEEMS to be happening with Marco's magnets is that he is modulating the 'aether'/'vacuum' itself with his toroidal coil, and the permanent magnets seem to be perfect 'receivers' for these modulations!

SOMETHING is happening here, remember that!






Ok, here is the paper done Rick Andersen, called 'AETHER CONTROL via an understanding of ORTHOGONAL FIELDS'


AETHER CONTROL via an understanding of ORTHOGONAL FIELDS
                              8/2/98 by Rick Andersen



With all the hints in the Alt-Sci Underground about "Caduceus" coils,
"bifilar" coils, "Moebius" coils, and "Klein Bottle" coils, I thought I'd
deliver my two cents and invite you to consider just what a magnetic field
might actually be, that we should be trying to cancel it in the hopes of
generating the elusive "Scalar" fields.
 
  What follows is an "Andersenized" version of what magnetism is, and how we
might harness its derivatives to achieve the manipulation of subtler fields,
like the legendary "CHI" or "PSI" fields, or perhaps even GRAVITY itself...





An electric charge has been defined as a "stress on the aether", a "violent
spray of virtual particle flux", etc.

A magnetic field, created around an electric charge when that charge is
being accelerated, has often been called 'the relativistic transform of an
electric field'.  Ken Amdahl in his book There Are No Electrons compares
the magnetic field to the wake left in the water after a speedboat has zoomed
by, rocking the rowboats in the interference patterns generated by the
disturbance to the water.


Here's a visualizable model postulating a "spacetime" made of "aether",
which is an energetic flux of particles or waves (depending on your scale
of observation) filling all otherwise "empty" space. A magnetic field line
is formed from the "rolling" disturbance made in the aether when an electron
"punches through" it. Other fields follow; they build in complexity with each
step up the rungs of the "ladder" of reality, whose rungs are perpendicular
to each other on the 3 directional axes of 3D-space.

Let's visualize the following progression, starting with a moving charge:

1)  An electron "plows" through the "aether", into the computer screen.
The aether "rolls" at right angles, toroidally, leaving a "wake" around the
electron's path, like a smoke ring. (Fig. 1)

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Thus we have a rotating, "rolling" toroid of aether, curving perpendicularly
to its "roll", around an axis that itself encircles the path of the original
perturbing electron.  Let us call this "roll"-direction of the "smoke ring"
the A-FIELD, also known as the MAGNETIC VECTOR POTENTIAL. I am here defining
it as simply a rotation of the aether caused by the electron plowing through
it, like inserting a rod between rollers and noting the direction of roller
circling.

2) Since the perturbing electron is most likely going to be part of a steady
CURRENT of electrons travelling down a wire, let's therefore visualize a
whole "row" of such toroids of aether, one after another, all rolling in the
same direction as the electrons pass by. (Fig. 2)  (Understand that the toroids are rotating, not along their outer circumference like turning a steering wheel; but they're "rolling" such that their centers 'turn inside out' and move to the outer edge, then roll back into the center, etc.)

Note that the superposition of all these adjacent toroids, rotating, gives
a net vector of aether or "A-field" which gets "dragged along" after the
electron flow in the same direction; at the outer edge we find an opposite
flow of aether. Thus we have inner and outer A-field vectors which form long
loops in opposite directions, in the superposition of the individual aetheric
loops.

3) At the center of each of these individual toroids of aether, these "curls"
of the A-field, is a low-pressure axis (mentioned earlier) around which the
A-field aether rolls or rotates.

This central axis is one line of MAGNETIC FLUX, or a B-FIELD line.


Its "direction" is to the left, or counterclockwise, as the electron recedes
into the screen. (Fig. 3)  This curvature around the electron path is known
as the "left-hand rule" that electronics technicians learn in school.

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4) If we now curve the electron current's path toward the left (Fig. 4),
forming the wire in which they're travelling into a loop, so that eventually
the electrons curve back around toward us and exit the screen, then curve
back into the screen to circle around again, the aetheric toroids (whose
axes constitute magnetic field lines) become aligned such that there is a net
direction of B-field into the loop, as well as an oppositely-directed
component outside the loop.  Thus we have "South" and "North" magnetic poles,
respectively. The South pole is where lines enter the loop, converging.
The North pole is where they exit the loop, diverging.

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5) If we wind many electron loops, one after the other, along a common axis
(i.e., wind a SOLENOIDAL wire coil, and stand it up vertically on end, with
the electrons entering the top and spiralling down the coil to the bottom),
the superposition of all B-field lines will produce a concentrated vertical
"flow" of B-field lines down the center of the coil, which will then exit and
flow back up to the top of the coil in broad loops from bottom to top.
The top, where the field lines enter, is the South pole. The bottom, where
they exit, is the North pole. (Fig. 5) This whole pattern of loops at
right angles to the windings of the coil is what we call the "magnetic field"
of the solenoid, similar to that of a bar magnet.

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6) At this point we take another look at what has happened to the A-field.
Although things are beginning to get more difficult to visualize at this
level of complexity, the net effect is that we now see the A-field as a set
of concentric circles, surrounding the solenoid up and down its length,
parallel to the windings of the coil (Fig. 6). The direction of "flow" within
these circles is apparently counter to that of the current flow in the coil.

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The magnetic B-field exists at right angles to both the windings and the
A-field. Thus the electrical engineer defines the B-field as the "curl" of
the A-field. A magnetic line of force, again, is where the magnetic vector
potential, A, rotates or "curls" around a central, cylindrical axis. This
creates a low-pressure zone in the aether. A difference of aether pressure
produces a potential for force-- magnetic force, in this case. B = Curl A.

7) Now let's take the solenoid coil, itself, and bend it around into a curve
until the ends connect into a circle. We now have a TOROIDAL coil, and it is
here where things begin to get interesting when viewed from an "aetheric"
point of view.

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The first thing we notice is that, for all practical purposes, all the
magnetic B-field lines are now INSIDE the coil. (Fig. 7)  This property,
especially when the coil is wound on a high-permeability core material,
gives the toroid the ability to shield itself from external magnetic fields.
This is why toroids have become so popular with radio receiver builders--
gone are the days when RF coils had to be encased in a grounded metal can so
that unwanted magnetic coupling would not occur between highly sensitive
amplifier stages.

Now let's examine the A-field of a toroid (Fig. 8 ): It resembles the B-field
of a solenoid! Thus there's a net direction of "A-field flow" through the
center hole of the donut-shaped toroidal coil. There's a so-called "North"
and "South" direction. The A-field's "lines of potential" flow into the
center hole on one side, concentrate there, then flow out on the other side
and broaden out into larger loops that eventually converge back into the coil.
So, although the magnetic (B) field of a toroid is circular in shape and
contained almost entirely inside the toroid itself, the magnetic vector
potential (A-field) is TOROIDAL in shape, like an enlarged version of the
coil itself-- and composed of, presumably, toroidal loops of aether itself,
in a preferred direction through the toroid!

At this point we need to step back and ask ourselves how we "built up" our
description of the A-field. Well, the A-field was the original "rolling" of
spacetime or aether in smoke-ring fashion around the path of a moving
electron. Therefore, the A-field or magnetic vector potential IS identically
a movement, or POTENTIAL movement, of the aether! Therefore, the toroid-wound
coil, with its magnetic field "hidden" (not "cancelled"!) inside the toroid
itself, seems to "give off" no magnetic effect at all-- but it is giving off
a flow (or potential flow) of aether through the hole of the donut, in a
definite direction.

At this point let us step back again and "plant" the entire toroid coil into
a picture in which there are vectors of "aether" coming down vertically from
above (Fig. 9), and let's orient our toroid field's polarity such that its
central hole's aetheric vectors are pointing UPWARD, against the downward-
pointing background vectors.

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Now let's assume that those downward-pointing vectors are equivalent to a
GRAVITY FIELD. Let's say that gravity is actually a PUSH, not a PULL, in the
sense that there's an omnidirectional flux of aether-pressure at any point
in space. If you happen to be on a large planet, like Earth, the planet is
absorbing or blocking the directional component of the aether pressure that
would normally be pushing UP at you if the earth weren't there. But since
there's nothing shielding you from the pressure from ABOVE, the net effect is
that you find yourself plastered to the surface of the earth by a force that
seems to be related to the size or mass of the planet you're on--- and so
everyone has always assumed that "gravity" is some mysterious force INTERNAL
to any mass, that causes a PULL toward that mass. (Note that Isaac Newton
figured out how to calculate the MAGNITUDE of this force; he never claimed
to have figured out WHAT IT WAS or what CAUSED it.)

But if gravity really "blows", rather than "sucks", and that "blowing" is the
force of the universal aether raining down upon us in a net downward direction
because the earth is blocking the opposing flow from the other side, then
perhaps we can build devices that generate a net OPPOSING "aether-wind"---
and perhaps we can cancel those gravitational vectors to zero. And float,
weightless and inertia-free, inside a "bubble" of our own making. Now THERE'S
an interpretation of Tom Bearden's "zero-vector = electrogravity" concept
that seems to make some sense.

Alt-Sci researcher Stan Deyo has a video in which he shows movies of toroidal
puffs of air colliding with clouds of smoke; rather than dispersing one
another, the clouds seem to "part" as the toroidal "soliton" of air slips
into it; the clouds close up behind it as it travels through. One is reminded
of the way fish and dolphins slip through the water with an absolute minimum
of disturbance to the water-- or how, according to some reports, UFOs seem
to slip in and out of clouds or even thin air without much more than a
momentary distortion of the space they occupy...

So based on the above, we can imagine a possible design of an antigravity
device (or "craft") based on a toroidal aether "pump" such as I've outlined
above, whose A-field vectors would be pointing UPWARD and then outward,
then down around the toroid and back into the bottom. Such a configuration
turns the toroid into an "aetheric smoke ring" which "parts" the downward-
pointing gravitational vectors, deflecting them away from and around the
"ship". (The device may need a DIFFERENCE of aether pressure to "pump"
and produce lifting force; see below.)


If the device is high in the air, the gravitational vectors eventually resume
their original paths on their way to the earth's surface. As the craft
descends, there appears a circular "shadow" zone under the craft where the
downward vectors are increasingly replaced by an "aetheric vacuum" or sucking
action created by the upward bending of the ship's G-vectors up into the
center of the ship.

Finally the craft descends to touch the ground, or hovers a few feet above it,
or rests on leg supports; the area directly underneath experiences a net
UPWARD gravity field or "antigravity" (as does the space directly above the
device). Thus it is sometimes reported that, when curious onlookers on the
ground came too close, the cautious pilots of the craft ascended quite
suddenly, taking some of the dirt from the ground with them!

7) How might we shape this curving toroidal field into more of a straight,
homogenous, directional field? The answer would be to construct a "Helmholtz"
coil approach. Just as we can position two "hoop" coils, identically-phased,
near one another and thus create a "straight" field inside the area between
them, so we can position another toroid near the first one, and create a
homogenous, unidirectional A-field between them.

The next step would be to create a difference or GRADIENT in the aether
pressure; to do this, we would make one of our toroids of a different
diameter than the first (Fig. 10).  Placing these near each other on the same
"donut hole axis" will cause more of a cone-shaped A-field to form between
the coils; such a differential between potentials ought to give rise to a
force vector with a direction from the larger diameter coil to the smaller
one, and then out and around them as before. The formerly symmetrical field
then takes on an "imbalance" which manifests as a lifting or thrusting force.

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Notice how the general cross-section of a "saucer"-shaped vehicle emerges if
we imagine a protective "hull" surrounding these coils.

Also notice that we are beginning to approach a "lens"-like structure, as we
"focus" our aetheric field vectors to a point above the device.

GENERALIZATION


Out of all of this we can generalize a basic relationship between magnetism
and the "aether":

1) Cause a flow of aether to rotate around a loop, and the axis of that
rotation generates a magnetic B-field line of force.

CONVERSELY,

2) Cause a circular flow of magnetic field lines, and you generate a toroidal,
directional flow of aether or A-field. Stack up a few toroids, and you can
direct the aether to flow in a straight line. Stack up a few toroids with
decreasing diameters, and you should be able to produce a gravity-like force
due to the gradient in the aetheric potential between coils.

More to come on these concepts as I develop and test them.
For now, any responses will be welcome!


Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Grumpy on July 23, 2007, 06:23:09 PM
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Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on July 24, 2007, 12:25:49 AM
A little visualization of the magnetic field(s) involved in the Dancing Magnets.................

You can see why the magnets move left to right and don't try to spin.........

You all need to remember/know that Marco inputs the same amount of power at each frequency!

So, obviously there is SOME LINK between the pointed 'A' potential / aetheric flow of the toroidal kick coil, and the 'A' potentials of the dancing magnets.

The REAL question that needs to be asked, 'Does the toroidal coil FEEL a LOAD AT ANY TIME?', ie. is this effect asymmetric?, ie. are we getting SEEING/RECEIVING more energy via the motion of the magnets that what WE PUT INTO the toroidal kick coil?,

No, I am not saying that the energy came from nowhere, I am saying, is the COP greater than 1? Did Marco 'hook into' a mechanism that is analogous to a windmill in wind? Are we tapping some sort of 'aetheric wind' at 7.8Hz???

If the we aren't tapping into anything, how come the magnets move more at 7.8Hz specifically, when the SAME amount of energy in input to the toroidal kick coil?

Think about it............

Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 24, 2007, 01:31:17 AM
yes that is correct, i never changed the input power  :)
it's easy to see the 1 hz energy exchange.
if you put two magnets faced n - n to each other in two little bags and you make sure they are hanging and free to move ,and you push one, you will see the energy moves verry slowly from one magnet to the other and back.
the rate of energy exchange and movement is similair to that in the video and i do not know why magnets do that but they do and i have seen it many times..

it's like the energy of the whole field is taken over by the other magnet which in turn gives it back to the other one and so on.

Marco.



Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: rensseak on July 24, 2007, 10:07:50 AM
Hi tao marco and all,

what is also curious with the dancing magnets that they are always swing in opposite direction.
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and marco, how did you face the pools of the magnets?

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: specter on July 24, 2007, 10:09:25 AM
I've made some experiments with toroidal coil. The only thing that happens - flux leakage. Magnets just attract when current is on. Non-magnetic materials are not affected (coper, aluminium, paper). No changes of mass.

7.8 Hz - is simply a resonant frequency of Marco's setup. Try different magnets (different shapes, sizes, strength) and you will get another resonant frequency.

@tao

If A-field lines outside of toroidal coil where of toroidal shape (see Fig. 8 ) there whould be magnetic field (B-field) outside the coil, because in this case the equation rot(A)=B=0 doesn't stand. rot(A)=0 means that A-vector must be a gradient of some scalar function outside the coil. Only in this case B=0 outside the coil. In case A=grad(f) (which means that B=0) lines of A-field must be uncurled and basicly start somewhere and end somewhere, similar to electrostatic field which starts and ends at charges (remember E=-grad(phi), where 'phi' is electroctatic potential). It's elementary vector analysis.

>> Below I will be showing you an excellent paper by Rick Andersen.

It's not excellent - it's missleading.Ã,  ;)
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on July 24, 2007, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: specter on July 24, 2007, 10:09:25 AM
I've made some experiments with toroidal coil. The only thing that happens - flux leakage. Magnets just attract when current is on. Non-magnetic materials are not affected (coper, aluminium, paper). No changes of mass.

7.8 Hz - is simply a resonant frequency of Marco's setup. Try different magnets (different shapes, sizes, strength) and you will get another resonant frequency.

@tao

If A-field lines outside of toroidal coil where of toroidal shape (see Fig. 8 ) there whould be magnetic field (B-field) outside the coil, because in this case the equation rot(A)=B=0 doesn't stand. rot(A)=0 means that A-vector must be a gradient of some scalar function outside the coil. Only in this case B=0 outside the coil. In case A=grad(f) (which means that B=0) lines of A-field must be uncurled and basicly start somewhere and end somewhere, similar to electrostatic field which starts and ends at charges (remember E=-grad(phi), where 'phi' is electroctatic potential). It's elementary vector analysis.

>> Below I will be showing you an excellent paper by Rick Andersen.

It's not excellent - it's missleading.  ;)


Look up the Aharonov-Bohm effect and the electron slit experiments specter. It isn't 'It's elementary vector analysis.'

In fact, look up the Telos experiments, read the links that Grumpy posted in his post.

In addition, I HIGHLY doubt that the 7.8Hz frequency is the mechanical resonance frequency for Marco's SPECIFIC SETUP... I will bet ANYTHING that that is NOT THE CASE, in FACT, I KNOW it isn't the case. I have evidence from other researchers I have been talking to and they remark about MUCH STRONGER energy transference effects between magnets around the 7-8 Hz frequency mark.

Sorry to say, but this might just be more complex than you want it to be, no offense...
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: specter on July 24, 2007, 10:37:15 AM
>> Sorry to say, but this might just be more complex than you want it to be, no offense...

I'm not offended :)

Firstly Aaronov-Bohm effect is quantum effect described in terms of Schredinger's equation. So it's completly wrong to simply extrapolate it to our (non-quantum) scope. Just google for scientific papers describing effect (not Bearden's!).
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on July 24, 2007, 11:02:06 AM
Quote from: specter on July 24, 2007, 10:37:15 AM
>> Sorry to say, but this might just be more complex than you want it to be, no offense...

I'm not offended :)

Firstly Aaronov-Bohm effect is quantum effect described in terms of Schredinger's equation. So it's completly wrong to simply extrapolate it to our (non-quantum) scope. Just google for scientific papers describing effect (not Bearden's!).


I do realize this is a quantum effect, and I am not solely quoting Bearden. Bearden 'extrapolates' quite a bit...

The issue is, I have collaborating evidence that in this 7-8 Hz range, a seeming 'transference' (or 'additive effect') of magnetic fields is greater.

I do realize, it will soon become a  'put up or shut up' situation, of which I KNOW. Yet, I need to formulate the best testing setups, so as to alleviate unnecessary $ loss to my person :P ...

Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 24, 2007, 12:42:44 PM
Quote from: rensseak on July 24, 2007, 10:07:50 AM
Hi tao marco and all,

what is also curious with the dancing magnets that they are always swing in opposite direction.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeople.freenet.de%2Frensseak%2Fdancemagnets.png&hash=395d6460ceb0340fbd1235f5ba278db4e42bbb91)
and marco, how did you face the pools of the magnets?

regards
Norbert

well actually in those speaker magnets, one side of the disk is north and one side is south..
the magnets were placed same poles facing each other so that would be on one side n - n  and the other s - s.
so they were repelling each other.

Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 24, 2007, 02:41:56 PM
okay so i'm happy to say i have recreated another setup with diffrent magnets and i'm in for another video  :)
hopefully i will be shooting it this weekend and i am now polishing the magnets for improved movement, there is still some glue on them and that's not good so i have to remove that.

hopefully we will see the dance once again  :D

Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Grumpy on July 24, 2007, 03:16:20 PM
Don't assume that the magnetic field inside the toroidal ring stays there.  Toroids will interact with external fields and have been replaced in some power electronics applications with air-cores due to troublesome external magnetic fields.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on July 24, 2007, 06:30:55 PM
You should find that the field is very flexible on each magnet. Flexible like a bubble that will not break. When one is moved toward the other the other bounces off. When that same one is drawn away the other will follow. At the right frequency of movement they will act as is they had a rubberband between them.

Why 7.8? My understanding is this:

Magnets do not produce a field. They only shape or focus the field they are in. On Earth that field moves best at 7.8 because of the size of the Earth. I don't believe the Earth's mag field is generated by perm mags rather by electro dynamo effect.

This is why we have a Faraday generator paradox and why spinning a magnet on its axis does not rotate the field of that magnet - because it doesn't have a field.

As I have found a very long time ago you should find now that any magnet setup will dance best at 7.8. - unless you move to Mars.

>> Oh what they hey? ... Imagine what might happen if you build a transformer to work at 7.8 (with a PM core). We'll all be doing things in three's and driving cars by pushing rods into boxes instead of turning a key. You'll need to put a space between the windings and the core. An E field cancelling toroid would be nice. Then the secondary could just be a loose coil of wire passing through the center like two interlocked rings.

Don't forget there is an international treaty banning electronics under 16Hz! And the number 7.8 isn't always correct. It changes hour by hour sometimes.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on July 24, 2007, 09:15:32 PM
Very well put BEP...

Nice analogy to the rubberband, that does make sense, and seem that way. I have similar thoughts to you about why 7.8Hz was the best frequency. I liked your addition of the Faraday generator paradox and field notions, good to now KNOW these additional 'pieces' of this puzzle.

I also agree about making a generator out of all this. This is why I initiated this thread again, even though by many these dancing magnets were only seen as a 'neat trick'. There is just 'something' integral being displayed here, something that can be exploited for OU, at least that is what I feel...

Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Grumpy on July 25, 2007, 12:03:26 AM
http://www.maxwellsociety.net/PhysicsCorner/FaradayDisc/faraday.html

Faraday also found that a rotating magnet produced a magnetic vortex.  (I think it weas a bar magnet - have to check his notes - three volumes of them.)   Had he explored this further, rather than the electric field, mankind would be exploring the universe in person.  He was so close.

By the way, A-field need not be conservative, it can produce current - the teach this in college. 

Spin does not cancel.  My understanding is that it expands or compresses.  Guess Lenz didn't get hold of that little aspect of nature.  Walter Russell stated that this expansion and contraction is all that is required for everything in the universe.  Kinda goes with Marinov's statement that there are no fields - only the potentials.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on July 25, 2007, 12:38:13 AM
It is a horrible mess. All because Maxwell used Gassman (sp?) instead of Ampere. Why? Supposedly because the math worked out better. >:(

In any case it always boils down to perception. One man says the apple is red. I say it is everything except red. That is why you can't spin the red on an apple because it isn't part of the apple. Red is the only color reflected because it isn't on the apple. It is only your perception of the apple's color.

The only reason I had a bit of a leg up was because military intelligence taught physics in the forms most are just discovering. All while the rest of the world wonders around with misconceptions.

Skin effect is also a joke, BTW. The Coral Castle man had a closer idea.

Of course, they (the intelligence community) 'cannot confirm or deny'.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: d3adp00l on July 25, 2007, 12:41:48 AM
When you get the magnets to dance again, are you going to try multiples of 7.8? 15.6, or maybe the square 60.84? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on July 25, 2007, 01:04:51 AM
He should probably sweep but I think he'll find that multiples won't come out right. This ain't your grandad's speed of light anymore. More like c * 1.276  :)
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 25, 2007, 01:18:40 AM
BEPÃ,  we got tought that if we turn on the switch to fast , we'd blow the bulb us cotton pckinn dudes mmmmmm . hydroden and rockets don't mix mmmm,Ã,  email me or pm meÃ,  hehehe    Ed leeds mmmm
Title: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... measuring exactly
Post by: Earl on July 25, 2007, 03:44:28 AM
Hi Marco, hi All,

your next tests should be more scientific than your first.

Does physically fixing the excitation torroid so that it can not move change things?

Does physically fixing one of the dancing magnets so that it can not move change things?
The dancing magnet that can move could then be placed a) next to  b) behind the fixed magnet.

Put coils close to each dancing magnet, trying to reduce induction from the excitation torroid.
As they dance, they induce in each coil a voltage that can be measured on an oscilloscope.
SLOWLY sweep the frequency and watch the coil voltages for each dancing magnet.  This would be much better than just watching with the eye.

Does a copper / brass / aluminum shield between excitation coil and dancing magnets make any difference?
Iron / steel shield?

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Grumpy on July 25, 2007, 11:02:30 AM
Quote from: BEP on July 25, 2007, 12:38:13 AM

Skin effect is also a joke, BTW. The Coral Castle man had a closer idea.


Can you give a brief explanation of how it really works?
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on July 25, 2007, 12:02:04 PM
What I was taught was also considered theory. It had more to do with spin and motion. Spectrum was not a linear chart but a spherical one that included all existances. Time was a contrivance of man.
When one part of the spectrum, lets say mass, approached another part, say light, mass would start to exhibit characteristics of light.
When EM frequency approached mass it started to take on characteristics of mass.

In other words lower EM frequency weighs more than higher EM frequency - Try following that in any frame of mind!

The simplest analogy of current flow is two like screws placed side by side with the heads of the screws opposite. Turn both in a way they pull each other - that is attraction. Turn both in a way they repel. They are always turning together and at the same rate. If they aren't meshed this is no current flow. Once they are meshed and turning in attraction (current flow as we see it) they want to stay together. If turning in repel (negative current flow) they always want to separate. Zero current flow is when there is no meshing between the screws.

I'm not an artist but I wish I was. It would help.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Grumpy on July 25, 2007, 12:15:47 PM
Quote from: BEP on July 25, 2007, 12:02:04 PM
What I was taught was also considered theory. It had more to do with spin and motion. Spectrum was not a linear chart but a spherical one that included all existances. Time was a contrivance of man.
When one part of the spectrum, lets say mass, approached another part, say light, mass would start to exhibit characteristics of light.
When EM frequency approached mass it started to take on characteristics of mass.

In other words lower EM frequency weighs more than higher EM frequency - Try following that in any frame of mind!

The simplest analogy of current flow is two like screws placed side by side with the heads of the screws opposite. Turn both in a way they pull each other - that is attraction. Turn both in a way they repel. They are always turning together and at the same rate. If they aren't meshed this is no current flow. Once they are meshed and turning in attraction (current flow as we see it) they want to stay together. If turning in repel (negative current flow) they always want to separate. Zero current flow is when there is no meshing between the screws.

I'm not an artist but I wish I was. It would help.

This is correct and in-line with the work of Leedskalnin, Walter Russell, and Wilbert Smith.  (Probably Tesla too, but his theory was unpublished.)  Compression and expansion.  Positive and negative.  Magnetic field also corkscrews N and S together.

I am sure that your view of a diamagnetic material or field is interesting.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on July 25, 2007, 12:48:15 PM
Yes. Diamagnetics is a favorite.

I agree with Earl. Shields or inserts that are paramagnetic, diamagnetic and ferromagnetic should be used between the source and first, between the first and second magnet AND after the second magnet.

Since Aluminum has a transition from para to ferro that should be interesting.

The comparison between the effect of copper vs. aluminum ??

>>Edit - @Earl YES! a method of viewing the movement relationships is an absolute must. There should be subtle differences found not seen by the naked eye.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Grumpy on July 25, 2007, 01:04:31 PM
How do we access and use this other current?
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on July 26, 2007, 02:53:31 PM
Nothing has changed. There is no other current. It is just another way of looking at it.

It could be right or wrong. It may be just as invalid as conventional thinking.

When the test is performed - do it with the perspective that you have and the look at it in another way.

I suggest thinking of it as a bowl of gelatin with fruit suspended in it. If you stick a needle in the gelatin and spin the needle does the bowl or gelatin rotate? Going to the edge and trying to pull the surface up and down has little effect.
How do you obtain the maximum movement of the items in the gelatin? You thump the surface in the middle. If you really want a lot of movement you thump it repeatedly at just the right frequency for the gelatin and bowl. You don't have to thump it hard. You just need to find the right rate. That rate will be for the gelatin, the bowl and everything suspended in it.

If you thump it at different rates with the right combination every now and then the ripples will combine and create much larger ripples.

Hit the test with more than one frequency. Try 7.8 and 14.2 and then add 21.6. If I am right (I have not combined freeks) every now and then you'll see an unexpected amplitude of movement much greater than any of the individual signals.
I don't know how much power is used but you should find that the right speed or combination of speeds requires very little power.
As a safety precaution - please avoid being in-line with the axis of the toroid.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 26, 2007, 03:38:53 PM
hi  :)
i was thinking about that also exept for the frequency's, i would take 7,8 Hz as the center frequency and add one below and one above.

i am going to perform many test's upcomming weekend.

Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on July 26, 2007, 05:33:19 PM
@Marco

Yes, and another test would be more than one signal at 7.8. Perhaps two -one leading and one lagging or two lagging etc. You have the idea.

Be careful. I have had parts become unexpected projectiles.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 26, 2007, 05:47:15 PM
it seems as if when the frequency goes above 11 Hz the magnets stop responing because of something which looks like a mechanical damping issue.
but then i think of the fact a subwoofer vibrates nicely @ 80 Hz and so on...

however in that case offcource it is not the magnet which is vibrating so it is diffrent...regarding the mass involved.

i am also thinking about a solid state setup, coils only but i do not have any idea on how to build an effecient test model.

Here's a quick glimp of what the new setup looks like :)



Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Super God on July 28, 2007, 10:19:15 PM
Looking good marco!  Are you going to use the same song as last time?  That was really catchy, what was the name of it? :D
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on July 29, 2007, 01:09:09 AM
hi God :)

the song is : Zeus - Ruler Of The Gods

i am going to pick up my new video camera in about two hours and then i can make good video's of the intresting movement of the magnets.
i have made a magnetograph a device similair to a seismograph only this device does not monitor the seismologic activitie, it monitors the magnetic field :)

it's more like a DC to AC converter which takes the resonating output of the moving magnets and displays it onto a scope and i can feed it thrue a amplifier into more coils to see what happens.

Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: HopeForHumanity on July 29, 2007, 01:45:54 AM
The magnet ring pic reminds a lot of searl.
Title: Re: KEY to the TPU? Flux-canceling, gravity, magnetism, 1 hz mechanical shock wa
Post by: roggy32 on August 08, 2007, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: tao on July 23, 2007, 01:52:00 AM
Let us not forget Marco's 'strange coincidence', that he noticed...


Gravitation is not an attraction of mass, but the effect of ultra high frequency, mechanical pressure- or shock waves in space quanta medium or in interstellar/intergalactic medium. It is the 5th basic force which physicists have been long searching for. They are ultra high-frequency mechanical sound waves from all directions of the universe, which penetrate and provide and charge everything with mechanical energy, and which constantly create new matter: Expansion of the earth, the planets, the suns, etc. Also, all atomic structures (animate and inanimate) are continuously being supplied and charged with this newly-discovered mechanical energy.



Hummm.. sound waves or mechanical waves need to move via pressure oscillations in air or another medium, won't work in space...

Might be an invisible undetectable (except for the gravitational forces) energy wave (shockwave) that is caused by a free highly energized (again unknown energy) neutrino or quark moving through and carrying with it residual electromagnetic or quantum energy particles (which act like air vibrations) even smaller then a quark or neutrino, which as you described is lessened by one side of planet (mass) thus pushing us towards another mass = gravity.

Nice theory, a little polishing and it won't sound so wacky, don't use sound or mechanical.

aether or unknown is better.
Title: Re: KEY to the TPU? Flux-canceling, gravity, magnetism, 1 hz mechanical shock wa
Post by: Dingus Mungus on August 08, 2007, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: roggy32 on August 08, 2007, 04:38:56 PM

Hummm.. sound waves or mechanical waves need to move via pressure oscillations in air or another medium, won't work in space...

Might be an invisible undetectable (except for the gravitational forces) energy wave (shockwave) that is caused by a free highly energized (again unknown energy) neutrino or quark moving through and carrying with it residual electromagnetic or quantum energy particles (which act like air vibrations) even smaller then a quark or neutrino, which as you described is lessened by one side of planet (mass) thus pushing us towards another mass = gravity.

Nice theory, a little polishing and it won't sound so wacky, don't use sound or mechanical.
aether or unknown is better.

Thats not totally accurate... Sunlight is electromagnetic wavelength moving through space that is also known as a particle (photon) with its own mechanical force thats seen when colliding with metals to free an electron. Therefor it has been proven that mechanical waves freely propogate in space. A binary sun, solar flare, and supernova would also be great examples of mechanical waves or pressure driven particles traveling through space. Oscillations on any scale in any medium can be considered a mechanical wave or even crudely compaired to sound. Just my 2 cents...

~Dingus Mungus
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: wile_coyote7 on August 08, 2007, 11:24:04 PM
 ::) Hello all....my first post here, so please be gentle.

@ marco

I just watched your video a few minutes ago. It was the coolest thing I think I've ever seen!

I was thinking about the setup though......and I was wondering what would happen if you placed another coil similar to the kick one but place it in between the two standing magnets, except set this extra coil up as a pickup instead of a kick and maybe somehow feed it back into the setup? I was thinking that maybe the energy from the moving magnets could be put to work.

Anyway....just my two cents.


It was still a cool video anyway.....Keep up the great work.

Mike

Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: wattsup on August 09, 2007, 02:55:26 AM
@marco

I think what you are showing here is a form of Teslas' World Power Transmission method. The large magnet on the base is the world. The toroid is the transmitter. The right magnet is the local transducer and the left magnet is the receiving transducer.

Showing how immediate one can transmit through a magnetic world.

Now if you put an induction coil on the left side near the left magnet, maybe you could make some power to send back and loop it. I love loops.

Also, you have to try different voltages and distance placement between the toroid and the right magnet. See if you can eventually only have the left magnet dance, as you did by making only the right one to dance, but always with the toroid on the right hand side. This is transmission of power.

Actually, I have a few computers going back to 486's so I'll see what I can find.

If you have time, can you confirm the voltages and/or pulse types, instrument sources, instrument settings, etc., so as to document this.

Besides, I always wanted to take dancing lessons. lol

@tao

Thank you, thank you and thank you again.
Before I forget, I think it was on page 2, there is no Fig 4.

What a great read. Where did all this come from? How many hours? Incalculable.



Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on August 09, 2007, 04:55:44 PM
well many people speculate about looping and some say it is not the nature of the beast.

also there always is a certain inertia between the magnets and the energy flows from one magnet in it's kinetc form to the other magnet in it's magnetic form.
there is a rule here and it is that both magnets first give or take all the energy from or to the other one in one form and then switch from form and again exchange all the energy in that form to the other.

basicly said , one magnet beholds the "magnetic energy" while the other beholds the "kinetic energy".
These energy's switch and the event reverses ,but only when the full exchange has taken place...
on a practical level and in the perfect setup this means there is one magnet moving while the other is standing still and storing.
when the first moving magnet stops, the other starts to move,giving up the energy it stored in it's previous phase, and now the first magnet stands still and stores.

so one is always decreasing in magnetic or kinetic energy while the other is alway increasing the opposite....

it's a bit hard to explain but i have noticed this many times.

Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on August 09, 2007, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: wile_coyote7 on August 08, 2007, 11:24:04 PM
::) Hello all....my first post here, so please be gentle.

@ marco

...and I was wondering what would happen if you placed another coil similar to the kick one but place it in between the two standing magnets,
Mike


hi Mike  :)

i have tried to put coils in between but they disturb the magnetic balance and then one magnet pulls over and sticks to it.
it's a bit of a sensitive setup, i am working on a better one.

Marco
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: MeggerMan on December 02, 2007, 06:19:22 PM
Hi Marco,
If you remove the ring magnet nearest the coil, does the second ring magnet still move as much as with both ?

I would like to setup two of these experiments, side-by-side, together with seperate func. gens. and see if the magnets swing in sync. I am hoping that the 7.8Hz effect is a syncronised one.

One thing I did not realise before was that the coil you are using, self contained toroid, seems to be completely wrong for the setup yet it works, how strange is that.

Regards
Rob
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: tao on December 02, 2007, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: MeggerMan on December 02, 2007, 06:19:22 PM
Hi Marco,
If you remove the ring magnet nearest the coil, does the second ring magnet still move as much as with both ?

I would like to setup two of these experiments, side-by-side, together with seperate func. gens. and see if the magnets swing in sync. I am hoping that the 7.8Hz effect is a syncronised one.

One thing I did not realise before was that the coil you are using, self contained toroid, seems to be completely wrong for the setup yet it works, how strange is that.

Regards
Rob


It isn't wrong for the setup, see my page 2 of the thread. It actually is PERFECT for this setup. It isn't the B fields that are being modulated only at 7.8Hz, it is the A field potential / aetheric field that is truly being modulated at 7.8Hz, and this interacts with the magnets.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: citizendc on September 06, 2008, 05:14:45 PM
What I find interesting is how close 7.8hz is to the Earths Magnetic Field frequency of 7.83hz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance)
I'd bet similar results will occur when using multiples of this frequency such as 7.8Hz, 15.6Hz, 23.4Hz

cheers  :)

Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: BEP on September 06, 2008, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: citizendc on September 06, 2008, 05:14:45 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance)
I'd bet similar results will occur when using multiples of this frequency such as 7.8Hz, 15.6Hz, 23.4Hz

cheers  :)



Read more on that Wiki link. You will see common harmonics (integer multiples) are not going to happen. We measure the EM portion and assume a base frequency of around 7.83. The next frequency up is base x 1.625 (varies with time, location and Sun activity). I think if the Sun wasn't distorting the magneto and Ionoshperes and the Earth perfectly spherical the base would be 6.28 Hz. (2pi)
Also thought, the base is a radiant energy signal(6.28). We just measure the EM portion(7.83). The result may be the seen beat frequency of around 1 Hz. (actually around 1.6 Hz. but also varies slightly).

I believe Marco checked this out and found only 7.8 to be interesting.

I'm glad to see this thread with a hit. I think it was the most important work done on the site. And if folks really understood the results it should be the most important to them.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: triffid on September 07, 2008, 09:48:46 AM
test,just wanted a link to this thread.triffid
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on November 01, 2009, 07:31:05 AM
Quote from: BEP on September 06, 2008, 09:40:06 PM
Read more on that Wiki link. You will see common harmonics (integer multiples) are not going to happen. We measure the EM portion and assume a base frequency of around 7.83. The next frequency up is base x 1.625 (varies with time, location and Sun activity). I think if the Sun wasn't distorting the magneto and Ionoshperes and the Earth perfectly spherical the base would be 6.28 Hz. (2pi)
Also thought, the base is a radiant energy signal(6.28). We just measure the EM portion(7.83). The result may be the seen beat frequency of around 1 Hz. (actually around 1.6 Hz. but also varies slightly).

I believe Marco checked this out and found only 7.8 to be interesting.

I'm glad to see this thread with a hit. I think it was the most important work done on the site. And if folks really understood the results it should be the most important to them.

There are two main reasons why higher frequencys show less result.

1. The higher frequency's have less energy to move the magnets.
2. It takes more energy to move the magnets faster.

Due to these two facts i was unable to drive the setup at higher frequencys.
But i still think it's a miracle it did this, and i am looking into other shapes and sizes to rule out mechanical resonance issues.
The best hit would be a solid state setup without moving parts, but it alomost looks like there HAS to move something.

Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: stprue on November 01, 2009, 08:34:30 AM
@marco

Have you had any further success in your new set up that you were working on???  WHat type of torroid are you using a 1" and with how many winds/bfiliar/guage??  I think the good people here would like to replicate.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on November 01, 2009, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: stprue on November 01, 2009, 08:34:30 AM
@marco

Have you had any further success in your new set up that you were working on???  WHat type of torroid are you using a 1" and with how many winds/bfiliar/guage??  I think the good people here would like to replicate.

Hello Stprue

I have had no further sucess using heavy magnets.
The core for the kick coil that i used in the early experiments can be found inside electronic equipment and over cables.
These are ferrite rings (noise filters) that are placed over cables to supress noise, i am sure you have seen some of them somwhere especially in SMPS's.
I just wrapped one coil of wire over the ring and started to pulse it so no bifilar or trifilar configuration.

The experiment has changed alot since the first video was made.
I was always looking for ways to get rid of the mass because the more mass you move, the more energy it takes and also more mass makes it impossible to go faster.
So then it came to me i needed the smallest magnets available and then it struck my mind!
Electrons....
So i have now replaced the moving magnets by a beam of electrons and now there are no more heavy magnets to drive.

It's a fairly basic principle.
I have what i call the spraying wire which consist of a electron spitting wire.
It has a sharp tip and it spews out a fluid like plasma stream.
Offcource the mass of this setup is nothing compared to the heavy ferrite ring magnets i used in the early days and so it can go much faster and with much less power too.
But the generation of high voltage is somewhat tricky.
You see to smoothly modulate extreme voltages is quite difficult compard to a low voltage coil drive like in the early days.
That is why i decided to add some modulation coils too in setup number 3. (i will add a drawing for you so you can see what it looks like.)
With this new setup i can now also report to you that i have witnessed gravitational interaction.

Marco.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: innovation_station on November 01, 2009, 10:53:40 AM
awesome job MARCO!

so it acts as a electro magnet resonance quenched sparkgap .

or is it better defined as an ELECTRIC RESONANCE VIA MAGNETIC QUENCHED SPARK AND HV DRIVE ..

just wondering ...

ist

great work !

I KNOW WHY THE INTERACTION WITH GRAVITY .. WELL

it is because your spark gap and the high freq of the drive ..  your fly back from the toroide colpase is forced top and bottom   i bet the ring radiates a feild above and below it extreamly fast ..

YOU GONNA DO A PUBLIC VIDEO FOR EVERYONE...?

thanks !


here is 1 way you may want to incorprate to it .. if you put a hivolt high freq diode  off the coil side of the gap and went to eather earth ground through a load or the - of the supply .. 

you can make it self powering ... easly ...

Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: turbo on November 01, 2009, 11:37:10 AM
Well well if it isn't the innovation station  :)

I didn't know you were still around...

This thing is not anywhere near a spark gap bro  ;)
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: stprue on November 01, 2009, 12:04:13 PM
Wow it sounds like you have made loooooots of progress marco.  Nice job!!!  A video would be great  ;D  I am very interested in the gravitational observations you have made.  I just recently got a function generator so I'm have been playing a lot with my TPU and JT's.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: innovation_station on November 01, 2009, 02:29:49 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on November 01, 2009, 11:37:10 AM
Well well if it isn't the innovation station  :)

I didn't know you were still around...

This thing is not anywhere near a spark gap bro  ;)

well marco ..

if it is not a spark gap .. 

perhaps you already do not need to apply power to it for an operational effect .. if this is the case i will be amazed!!

and if this is such the case then where are you going to apply your magnetics to start the operation of the device ..

i do agree a video ..   you do a wonderful job of it ...  and i know the hard work and frustration assoiated with reserching on your own funds ...

its no easy job !  none the less the survivers move on!!

FORWARD MOTION ... TO THE 4TH  ;)

IST!
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: stprue on November 02, 2009, 07:26:24 PM
@marco

Have you ever tried this set up with your dancing magnets?

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=The+Nonturbine+Wind+Alternative&emb=0&aq=f#
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: Danny on February 13, 2010, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: BEP on July 25, 2007, 01:04:51 AM
He should probably sweep but I think he'll find that multiples won't come out right. This ain't your grandad's speed of light anymore. More like c * 1.276  :)
As in 51.6 degrees.
Title: Re: Marco's Dancing Magnets.... doing the 7.8Hz dance
Post by: FatBird on February 13, 2010, 08:31:39 PM
In case somebody missed it, here is the Link to see Marco's SUPER GOOD video of his Dancing Magnets:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529#


QUESTION for Marco please.  What would the 2nd Harmonic of 7.8 Hz (15.6 Hz) done????