My apologies for posting this in the "News" section; a "General Discussion" type of section doesn't seem to exist (or perhaps I'm just overly ignorant of these types of things).
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I find myself perpetually stricken with the urge to build and attempt overunity devices, but often I tend to push these impulses down and out of my mind. It is not because I feel that it is too hard, or that I find it a necessarily bad or boring thing to do.
The fact of the matter, though, is that I have been following overunity progress via the internet for quite some time (at the least 3 to 4 years), and have witnessed literally hundred of claims of overunity. Yet I have, in all my time researching and following this scene, never found any overunity claims that had physical potential, or were duplicable and showed promising results from others who attempted to rebuild them.
There are thousands of posts, countless hours of typing, on a vast variety of different methods of achieving overunity. Countless replications of countless supposed overunity devices never achieved the alleged original results, or if they had, they never made it back to the public.
I find myself questioning whether this drive for achieving overunity devices is merely a grand proverbial wild goose chase, in which the supposed "true" claims of overunity are merely the rushed conclusions derived though faulty heuristics, and that the followers of this community are subject to believe that said claims are true, and thus begin the process all over again.
And this goal to achieve overunity is not a modern concept. It's been around for at least a century or two, and yet still nothing seems to have come from it. It is STILL regarded as a fringe science, even with the countless hours of research.
Does anyone else have that deep but repressed feeling like we are all deluding ourselves into thinking that overunity is possible, and that the only reason we wish to accomplish this goal is because we find little else to do with our otherwise seemingly meaningless lives (I don't say this is a negative way, but objectively. Our lives really have little worth with regards to the planet or universe in general)?
And one also has to question why humanity as a whole continues to develop and consume, creating and engineering greater and grander technologies that will serve us no more purpose that to live our lives with more comfort, with more consumption. Will we finally reach a point when our technological development becomes so complete that we find our lives meaningless as a whole, because we realize that this illusion that creating more technologies would somehow make us happy is ultimately false? And this is true. We will never be content with what we have. We continue to develop more and more technologies for seemingly little purpose than to make our lives more simple and seemingly happier, but rarely this is ever the case. Sure our lives may be more simple, but we will still find ourselves needing something more. When we finally reach the end of this proverbial goose chase, when we have made our lives so simple and automated that we need little more to do than walk, we will still find our lives just as empty and meaningless as before. We may not feel that way now, but that is only because we believe that we are headed somewhere better than yesterday. But in reality, the time of tomorrow is little different than the time of today with regards to our happiness.
I could continue this post for a while, but I would like to hear your thoughts on this.
Regards.
It's certainly true that there are wild goose chases out there. I think some of them are genuinely wrong... others are hoaxes for profit or pleasure... and a fraction of those are government sponsored.
I've watched this for a long time too. In my case, it was reading Tesla and looking at the evidence that he was on to something that certain people didn't want to be. So, I for one am a believer that there is a natural energy source that's easily tapped. And while I do not know how to tap it... I can tell you where to begin to look for it.
You have to start with a clean slate and forget everything you were ever taught. Then you need to learn maxwell's original equations and start building Tesla's experiments.
You will get there like he did.
I have to agree with Sataur?. The penchant for group delusion here and throughout the field of ou free energy seems to be universal. They never seem to learn or advance...no bad idea seems ever to be rejected and remembered as such a week later or whenever they return thinly-disguised as different and new.
The publishers of books, videos and these websites do make money, as do some of the inventors, squeezing free services and/or actual cash investment out of eager believers.
The inventors and replicators spend infinite energy repeating the past follies of their predecessors. Every new proposal is met with enthusiasm regardless of how patently inane it is or how thinly-disguised it is vis-a-vis the last failed contraption.
As Elvis pontificates, above: "You have to start with a clean slate and forget everything you were ever taught". Every morning, Elvis? The philosophy here seems to be that all learning is taboo. Only immediate present undocumented experimentation, unguided by clear objectives, and endless blind tweaking are worthy.
Despite the clear centuries-long history of 100% failure in achieving free excess useful energy provision, inventors here and their replicators seem never to spend any time analyzing why their machines did not work. Always, they seem to just fade out of one failure and into the next obvious doomed folly, oblivious as to why each failed. But fail they do...every time. The claims never cease; the pudding never gels; the delays and excuses never end. The learning from past errors never occurs. The circus continues.
Elvis, it's not personal, but your philosophy is so typical and flawed that I cannot resist using your words to prove my point (besides, you conveniently volunteered). "So, I for one am a believer that there is a natural energy source that's easily tapped. And while I do not know how to tap it... I can tell you where to begin to look for it."
This notion that "belief" is a key ingredient seems to overwhelm all reason. If it was "easy", Elvis, as you "believe", and we all agree it would be desireable and worthwhile, then why has it not been done in the tens of centuries of effort? You admit you don't know how...you must also see that others don't know how, yet you pretend to offer guidance as to where someone else should begin to seek the elusive knowledge. Don't you see that what you are advocating is the blind leading the blind?
Go ahead, in the name of progress, throw out all that science and physics have learned, right or wrong. Substitute "belief" in the unknown. Argue endlessly and passionately about angels dancing on the heads of pins. You will find that the same set of natural laws will evolve back into understanding again and again. The rate of progress back to our current state of knowledge (which certainly isn't complete by any means) will be proportional to the quality of the science we do and inversely proportional to the weight placed on our "beliefs".
My interest here, so far, is as an observer of and commentator on the general folly. It expands my sense of amazement every day, every hour, as I read the endless parade of blather by those who pretend to have special knowledge and those who blindly cheer them on.
Really, though, it is not much different than most human endeavors other than maybe farming, medicine and shelter-building, I suppose. It's another sport; another hobby; another entertainment. The level of passion, self-delusion and magical wish-physics is superceeded only by the absolute and utter avoidance of all scientific learning. Only the empirical is respected; never the application of abstract thought or learned knowledge. Blind experimentation is the ultimate end, it appears. Critical thought is severely frowned upon.
The practices of ignorance, procrastination, avoidance, denial and delusion are honed to perfection here with a passion and acceptance that I have never before observed in any group focused on any subject matter.
At least in other "woo woo" areas, (psychic healing, astrology, quack medicine, etc) there is no eventuality of objective proof or actual utility looming over the proponents heads, so there is a reasonable expectation that things would get carried away without limiting constraints.
Here, there is a stated end which is, if to be successfully useful, quite readily measurable and provable. You would think that fact would lead to faster progress and rapid learning and advancement, at least to discarding of misconceptions rather quickly. But no. That brick wall of energy-conservation reality, standing firm so far, breeds the most incredibly insane and elaborate and creative and, yet, redundant and transparently foolish and dishonest raindances of delay, miscommunication, secrecy, confusion, obtuse thinking, blind faith and excuse-making I've ever seen.
The mumbo-jumbo that you will find agreed to and encouraged herein, it seems to me, is subconsciously designed and well crafted to simply allow a realm of delusion to be prolonged indefinitely. The egos, the wild claims, the cheerleading, the blind experimentation, the incredibly poor communication...they are all required parts of the program. The program to tinker with stuff while feeling an aura of exaggerated self-importance. It's really not that unusual in human nature, after all.
Even I, the great Humbugger, have languished in delusionary procrastination, dreading the facing of the sad truth, a time or five in my long years! Probably doing it now by spending time here!
That's Entertainment!
I don't know where exactly Bill Clinton lives in NY... but I can tell you the I-95 N runs out of here and in that direction.
And you're right to pick on the fact that I said "I believe" - that would imply that I take something on faith alone. However... I *know* that you can never be certain of anything except death and taxes... and so everything else is uncertain.
Let me clarify to say that I believe that the energy is there like I believe the grass is green.
That was totally my bad - one should never imply probability without giving some idea of the level of certainty. I thought my mention of Tesla was enough to convey the idea that I was basing my belief on science.
Has for science, and "tossing out knowledge" - I believe I said to learn and study maxwell's original equations. So I am saying to study what maxwell really discovered.... and not the watered-down / 20% solution that all the rest of the science of energy is based on. Go ahead and take me on for ending that sentence in a preposition. ;)
So again I say - forget everything after 1890 or so. :) And test forward from there.
Well the amazing thing about being human is that we have an inherent freedom to believe what we would like regardless of others. This can either be good or bad, depending on the situation and how you look upon it.
That was a very profound and introspective post Humbugger. I can see that we think along similar levels.
But I think I've made a slightly arbitrary decision to go ahead an build devices and machines regardless of whether it will work or not. As Voltaire had so eloquently put it in his Candide, men aren't meant to be idle, and only when we are working do we feel most satisfied.
Therefore I see no risk in wasting "time" by building devices. Perhaps one may work along the way, but even if none do, I will have found enjoyment in my work regardless. Time is irrelevant in the entirety of life. What matters is the present, and how you are in the now.
Cheers
@HUmbugger
Have you considered the alternative.
So I guess we should all go home now and drill an oil well.
Quote from: wattsup on August 18, 2007, 12:17:11 AM
@HUmbugger
Have you considered the alternative.
So I guess we should all go home now and drill an oil well.
If this were a forum on alchemy; turning base metals into gold, for instance, I wonder if you would so sarcastically suggest the crazed alternative of working for money?
The alternative to delusion is always less attractive to the deluded. That does not mean the alternatives should continue to be blissfully ignored.
If you truly think that the only viable solution to the earth's energy problems is endless free energy coming forever forth out of a cheap, easily-built, small, magical black box, then we are truly in deep trouble. It ain't gonna happen, my friend.
Every moment spent chasing delusions is a moment not spent on actually solving the real problem of energy abuse and pollution and eventual shortages. Keep that in mind as you brandish your holier-than-thou rationale for remaining deluded.
Quote from: Sataur? on August 17, 2007, 10:18:53 PM
Well the amazing thing about being human is that we have an inherent freedom to believe what we would like regardless of others. This can either be good or bad, depending on the situation and how you look upon it.
That was a very profound and introspective post Humbugger. I can see that we think along similar levels.
But I think I've made a slightly arbitrary decision to go ahead an build devices and machines regardless of whether it will work or not. As Voltaire had so eloquently put it in his Candide, men aren't meant to be idle, and only when we are working do we feel most satisfied.
Therefore I see no risk in wasting "time" by building devices. Perhaps one may work along the way, but even if none do, I will have found enjoyment in my work regardless. Time is irrelevant in the entirety of life. What matters is the present, and how you are in the now.
Cheers
When I first started building electronic stuff, I was nine years old. It was 1959. I never went to college and challenged high school, getting a diploma at age 16. At 14, I was doing TV repair in a local shop. At 17, I became an apprentice to a very famous audio designer and helped him launch his first company.
I have never done much book-learning. I have worked side by side with numerous people considered to be world class in their fields. I have had little companies of my own and done freelance design. I have two granted patents on electro-optic display drivers. I've developed and contributed to dozens and dozens of real world actual working commercial products and designed many custom instruments and test fixtures for ARPA and DARPA-sponsored projects involving ferroelectric liquid crystals, lasers and custom-built R&D LSI semiconductors.
When I was 9 to about 14, I did a lot of building of things that didn't work. I got tired of that. That's when I really started to learn how things worked...on my own...in an environment provided by my dad, an engineering professor. As my career advanced, my increasing knowledge of how to design working circuitry and how to strip problems down to the core and how to think, in general, made it less important to try every idea in hardware before proceeding.
My last twenty years or so of projects have all been taken from paper design to prototype to production without any significant revision or "experimentation", and there were some projects in there that teams of phD EE's had worked on for months and not accomplished. Some were high power RF projects dealing with kilowatt-plus power levels and at frequencies up to 100MHz. It's been a long trek and I have been pretty successful at what I do. There are plenty of guys who are smarter and better, too.
But the idea of going back to building hardware without any real understanding or idea of how it is supposed to work or, worse yet, what exactly it is supposed to be doing when I finish successfully, well...I just can't seem to get excited about it! If there weren't so much blathering bullshit, cryptic crap, malodorous mystery and just plain inexcusable ignorance in this "field of endeavor", if there were some clearly stated theories of operation, some (even one) well-documented examples of working devices, some demonstrable free energy anywhere...I'd be in there designing and building; proving and improving like a maniac.
I am not a big enough egomaniac to think I would be the first to invent a practical free energy machine, nor am I naive or confused enough to think anyone else will by tinkering blindly. As I said once before in a long pessimistic post...
HELP! I'm old and skeptical and I can't get up! (for nutty pointless experiments)
If your last post is your way of apologizing for that stuff about being deluded, apology accepted. That was kinda uncalled for.
Listen, I'm sure we're all tickled about your successes in life, as we all have our own, and in fact, for some it is a way to trying to give something back. With all your brains in the matter, regardless of tinkering or not, you could be very helpfull here in exactly what you said, working out the bugs before the builds. Erfinder said this all along.
But don't forget one thing. To make all the components you used in your creations, many many people did alot of tinkering in the unknown using the best of their abilities for those components to be in your hands. They did'nt come out of the blue. Tinkering is a base. So if you can help some tinker less and think more, then please do. But if you plan on passing your time here in hard skeptic mode, I forsee that it will not work out for you here at all. You'll just drive yourself crazy because here, the goal is OU.
No...I was not apologizing...I still say that those who believe that the majority of the ideas posted on this website have any chance of solving any even tiny energy problems are seriously deluding themselves.
Even believing in a single one of the "magnet motor", "gravity motor", "TPU" or "MEG", "SMOT", "RV" or any other "black-box" device that claims to produce significant useful energy greater than that fed in or stored (put in earlier) is naive at best and delusionary most likely.
I am aware that the chaotic, seething, churning atomic-level energy is everywhere, yes. Getting it to line up and dance forever for our particular desired energy purposes with some oscillators, crystals, magnets, coils, belts, weights, pendulums, MOSFETs and pullies? And no continuing energy input? Not a chance. Period.
Laugh at me after anyone proves me wrong...I promise I'll love it and laugh along with you at how foolish I was. Hate me, ignore me or love me...I'm just not "a believer" in the free energy lunch! Sorry!
I'd love to help. Truly I would. But every proposed device is either so poorly described in principal or so obviously idiotic when described clearly that, so far, there is no place I have found where a reasonable person with experience and knowledge could actually contribute in any productive way except to bat down bullshit as fast as it arises. To do that on this site is way more than a full time job for a whole team of experts!
98% of these projects could be instantly disproven with one fairly trivial set of accurate measurements. The inventors and replicators invariably avoid any such thing like the plague itself! The distraction, evasion, procrastination, lame excuses and insistence on treating good measurement practice and well-known accepted science as demonic curses proves to me that most of these people are in love with their ideas and are ego involved and emotionally attached to their fantasies and delusions of grandeur.
The ones who claim to have working machines will not produce them for public use or submit them for thorough analysis and testing or disclose clear details of how to reproduce their results. There are no exceptions, yet there seem to be an endless number of eager beaver believer-follower-replicators chomping at the bit for each "invention".
Endless claims of successful replication and overunity performance are made with no credible evidence just as casually as can be...and always greeted with proud and enthusiastic encouragement. Lots of high-fiving over what always turns out to be nothing remarkable at all. People are being emotionally and often financially rewarded for posing as serious scientific researchers without ever doing any actual science or even close.
These are clear and obvious signs of serious self and group-delusion. Pathology...actual diagnosable mental illness. It does turn into outright fraud, eventually, you know.
I have set Humbugger to read only, as it seems he is only here to disturb the forum.
Aww, that wasn't nice.
He's just concerned, and is just asking some of the people here to take a step back and objectively look at what they are doing. Many people here are so caught up in their work that they forget to take a real good look at it from an actual, traditional scientific perspective. If more people did, we would have a lot less dead end threads about devices that should have "worked" but don't.
@Humbugger
Well don't worry. I didn't mean to say in my earlier post that I would just go off and build things with daisies and pixie dust without knowing what the heck I am doing, I will indubitably study the science behind it all. I'm still 17 myself, so I should have plenty of time in college to read up on theory before I do any type of applications of them.
Cheers
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Stefan,
I don't think it is just that you have set Humbugger to "read only". I guess it is pointless anyway, since if you can't post, why bother reading? I'm sure he'll jsut disappear now anyway, which is too bad.
Clearly the guy has an intelligent head on his shoulders, and quite frankly, I agree with much that he has said.
I have tried drilling into folks here an approach that is more objective and scientific, only to meet with hostility, and being close to driven away myself.
There is a need for more people that can see through the BS, and speak up when it begins to work it's way in. Remember the whole brnbrade episode?
Anyway, if it's not too late, I'd ask that you please reinstate his rights to post. I don't feel he is here to disrupt the forum at all, only to point out BS when it is clearly there. So he is a skeptic and doesn't believe in ou..so what. He does seem to have an open mind though that he could be wrong, and that is suficient for me.
We need more brains here, cause believe me, there are times I wish others could be set to read only also.
If humbugger is disrupting this forum in your opinion, then there is no reason "innovation station" should have posting rights either...get my point?
Regards,
xxxxxx
Hi xxxxxx,
I have read through about 20 of his last postings and there was
not one, which had anything positive to say, he is just
turning other people?s ideas down...
We don?t need these negative people here.
Mostly people find out new things by experimenting with things
they don?t fully understand although if the things they wanted to do
will not work, but when they apply different parameters
by accident, then they will find new exciting things,
but Humbugger did try to put these experimenters down....
Regards. Stefan.(admin)
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Well if you feel you must, then its your right to choose. It is your forum after all.
But I still don't believe he was putting down those experiments because he was just trying to put people down. He likely had a logical reason for doing so.
And even if he had said to people that the experiment won't reveal anything new, or the OU device won't work, so what? People insult me all the time, but I am still the sole person to decide whether I will let that insult affect me or not. The insulter has far less power than the insultee.
If people are so unsure about their ideas that they listen to other people's opinions before trying it themselves then they obviously have some residual doubt about the idea within themselves.
Cheers
It is unfortunate that anyone that asks a few intelligent questions in an effort to get people thinking about what they are doing, is seen as "going against the flow" and is persecuted for it, even if that "flow" at times is up the north end of a south bound horse.
I read through his posts too, and did not find anything unreasonable.
There is an imbalance here of "blindly believe and follow", and individuals that are able to point out and help with establishing balance in the other direction, are sorely needed.
I commend Humbugger for speaking out. Too bad he's been chopped for doing so.
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"I have set Humbugger to read only, as it seems he is only here to disturb the forum."
Then, we might have a bit of an issue here.
Several members post hundreds and thousands of pointless posts yet criticism is not allowed?! Not even in a dedicated thread?!
It?s hardly understandable, especially when coming from a formally educated and open-minded person. However, if you care more for quantity instead of quality, I?m out of it too, waiting for you to reconsider your decision.
By the way, Sataur? is right. Humbugger is also right. There is no free-energy device up to date; neither has it seemed it ever was a real one besides those already known (solar, wind, hydro, nuclear etc.). There is no conspiracy against free-energy either but only legends, desire, un-workable ideas, lies and manipulation toward various interests, mostly of ordinary financial nature, exploiting the sincere belief of many.
"Humbugger did try to put these experimenters down...."
He did not! Where did he try it? He was just saying to the others that some devices are clearly un-workable. If you refer to Bill Mehess, is it fair for you ? a senior member of international community - to allow him making false advertise on his device? Check its status now over the internet; up to this date, his idea is under ?patent pending?, advertised on tenths of various sites!
Check Tseung also. He is pathological (this is not my statement; there are also many worst than that, including ?idiot?), according to all the sites were he was a member; multiple accounts were already created by him also here.
These are relatively un-heard names. But I?ve told you also about my personal experience with Bedini. His devices are not functional and what he is doing is a great disservice to all, just for cashing several bucks on a poorly video tape (last case). Everything he shows on the last tape is perfectly natural and can be done within the known science. (I?m not criticizing Tom Bearden; at least he has a theory and personal beliefs that he shares. Frankly, I really appreciate him, although I personally do not consider his approach be successful). But Bedini is something else. There is no free energy where he pretends to be. Also, his site contains many un-true statements like ?it spins by itself? (regarding the window motor that does not spin by itself!) or ?it really works? (regarding a magnetic motor that does not work!) and so on.
So, this is what we were doing here?!
My God, I hope not!
One last point before leaving:
"Well if you feel you must, then its your right to choose. It is your forum after all."
Ok, but this is an open forum. It is not entirely password protected and its content is fully searchable and index-able from outside. I would worry more about claims that do not work and are easily referenced in overunity.com and I would also worry more about the chance of a visitor to find real fair and equilibrated opinions about these totally un-realistic claims. So, if it was a closed forum, almost anything would have been allowed for the administrator but for an open one, I really don?t know.
See you, probably much later in the future.
Good luck, everyone!
Tinu
If I recall correctly, Humbugger had nothing negative to say about JackH's motor for example. In fact he complimented him on the superb quality of craftsmanship. And wished him every success. I say reinstate his right to post....
Albert
@Stefan
I think your removing Humbugger from posting is totally uncalled for. First of all we did not need your interjection is such a manner as the discussion was civilized and had substance. Have you received formal complaints from others? Freedom of speech my friend.
I agree with the the PMer, you almost did the same thing with Brnbrade, then you wound up giving him some special title for what? For his removing his posts, his one-liners, even posts with no words at all, just smileys, no other Cook Coil input, etc., etc. He surely would not get the communications award of excellence. But we still like having him around.
This is not the way. Someone dissgreeing with OU efforts is simply what 95% of the world believes to be a fact of life. Cutting them off means we are isolating ourselves and this can lead to continued non-objective efforts.
I TOTALLY believe in the OU effort, but I also believe SM is a fraud (there I said it - 10100 posts and still going strong) and would be prepared to open a thread giving concrete reasons and observations of the SM saga timeline to prove it. Does this qualify me to be banned if I do this in the most objective and forensic manner possible. Does this mean I don't believe in a TPU. Well I don't. But I do believe in an ECD or any other similiar device not called a TPU, because the proponent does not hind behind excuses.
Plus there are much more hair-brained threads and activities here that would then require the same action but do we really want to get into it. OK examples, 911 and UFO's, the threads are killing me, noise, noise, noise.
Come'on, put him back online already.
I am sure that once he settles down and realizes we are not as deluded as he may think, he will provide some great help to some of the efforts here, or at least provide more technical reasoning of his stance on some of the projects. I'd rather have one guy like that then 100 guys saying, OK, OK let's do it, let's do it without giving ample thought to the process.
We are all finite beings. All of us have about 30 serious projects left before we get old and die. Now, is it better to just jump at every idea, or, put forth some discriminating discussions on merit and procedure before possibly wasting time. Time is ticking regardless. I guess Humbugger, being about 10 years older then me is seeing his life on the last quarter and realizing his finiteness, appreciates more then the younger crowd the importance of not wasting time. So when he sees some the the things here, he just can't believe it. But I know in time he will realize that we are not so holier-then-thou, we are worried about our children growing up in a powerless world in limbo, and we are those that come forward when the call is given to action. So please, just put him back online. There is no shame in admitting you acted hastilly but always in our interest. Thanks.
I do understand Stefan. Humbugger logged in with this name, which says everything. And i don't like reading this negative posts all the time. This is a forum for reasearch, dreams and visions as well, with a defined goal. This must stay in front.
But i do understand Humbugger too. And scepticism must be allowed. Honestly i was wondering too, as i read in the forum to see, is their a running AND replicable device. But Nothing complete.
But i see that positive. This gives me the chance to be a part of the evolution and there is a lot inspiration for brainstorming.
I read some of this sceptic posts for entertainment, no more for proofing my beleaves. Because i already did my decision a long time ago: Overunity is reality in physics and reality soon in energy-machines and the logical answer to so many aspects in modern physics and even social and religious questions (the great designer in the back and his plan for everlasting life).
As every research, it takes time. Why is this so hard to understand? His main argument against was: 100 years reasearch with nothing comming out. But that's not true. And there are a lot of other reasons, why OU-devices are still not common in daily life than being technically impossible. And internet is young. Global communication in that quality is possible for 10 years and free energy reasearch in the internet maybe for 5 years. This is a short time, to bring a hidden or forgotten technology back to life through that medium. But this are things sceptics have to learn first.
And i read such posts, to imagine how deep somebodies mind has to change, when OU-devices become reality. Then it's good to see, that beleaving, visionary thinking and innovation is above conventional intelligence, even its a good one. Einstein stated, that it was his curiosity, not his intelligence only.
I would suggest, Stefan unlocks his account, when he not spams the forum all the time. 20 negative posts with negative but well explained thoughts are still not spam. At least a warning should be given before locking!!!
Even Humbugger could be usefull in the future, when he is forced to change his mind (difficult for an aged person). Don't think he is a trivial person. Maybe a engineered person, who tried to do everything perfect in his job and as an aged engineer having problems to imagine he didn't know the whole thing even in his profession.
Quote from: Joh70 on August 18, 2007, 12:49:05 PM
And i read such posts, to imagine how deep somebodies mind has to change, when OU-devices become reality. Then it's good to see, that beleaving, visionary thinking and innovation is above conventional intelligence, even its a good one. Einstein stated, that it was his curiosity, not his intelligence only.
I have a slight problem with this logic. Indeed visionary thinking and innovation are the key to a higher intelligence, but believing has no place. Of course you must believe your idea is plausible, but NEVER should you blindly believe in a theory without going back and comparing it to the WORKING models before it.
You had stated that things take time to develop. But I must make a point that things generally do NOT take time if they are in need. Just look at what happened during the industrial revolution; hundreds of thousands of inventions and ideas were successfully being created in a relatively short time frame. And yet today, and every new day even more so, do we need a new, clean energy source, and NOTHING has ever come up that shows duplicable, true results. The world is spending literally billions of dollars researching new energy sources, and yet it would be stretching it to say 50 million at most has made it to researching over unity, world wide.
The reason is not because it has a stigma as a fringe science, but rather because major research firms and scientists know that it has been tried throughout history, and has been found not possible. You don't see professors with degrees in overunity, you don't see new college degrees in fields of free energy.
I have to agree with Humbugger. If you compare the free energy and overunity community to that of the rest of the worlds scientific community, you will realize that a lot of the people here are not real scientists, don't know how to go about the ageless scientific methods, and have faulty, pathological heuristics. Essentially this community is a type of grand mass delusion.
But I also know that many people will still, and will forever be wasting away in their basements, disregarding everything I, or anyone else for that matter, tells them. And thats because they are human, and every human has the innate right to believe what they want.
This right also has its room for error, though. People can become deluded into thinking that what they think is correct, and the driving force behind their effort to prove themselves correct is to have that feeling of superiority when they prove everyone else that they're wrong. This is a legitimate psychological condition. It IS delusion. Why do you suppose so many crazy people spend their entire lives trying to prove that the CIA is after them, or that the people in the window are real? It's the same with the people in the overunity field. They are so intent on trying to convince the world that their ideas are right that they fail to realize that perhaps they are the ones who are actually at fault.
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You can ban me too Stefan, but I really hope people just take a step back and objectively look at what their real motives are for doing this research. Is it just to prove people wrong, for the ego to gain a boost, to feel superior? To most, it is underlying, but most certainly there.
I am not a skeptic, just a concerned bystander... please take a step back and take a look in the mirror.
Hi sature, i agree in the point that there are different motivations trying to find a free energy solution. And i agree, the very first feeling doing that research can be to be special or maybe to feel superior. But thats normal and ok, when it stays not in front the whole time. Every successful sportsman, star or business-man in his carreer has to be important, special, superior in what he does. But the best of them DON'T FEEL that all the time. They are just so, without comparing to others.
I like to see, that researchers sometimes indeed take a step back, and always see their limited knowledge as every human has from almost 7000000000 on the planet. Honestly i don't like people always hearing themselves talking and staying in the spot of light. Great innovations are done in silence and with a lot of respect what they do, of the environment and possible consequences to others live, etc. Gratitude in case of success.
But there should be no problem for everyone, seeing someone staying in spot of light, when there is a good reason for it.
For example: I beleave Steorn found something great. But in July they wrote on there demo-unit: "Nothing is impossible!" Thats sounds cheap. The demo failed and therefore thats ok. But they could be successful with it anyway.
Other example of megalomania: the inventors and guest of ship Titanic stated: "Even God cannot bring it to sink". It went under.
Of course this is not a failsave rule, because in these days many BAD people have power, money or fame. But sometimes live pays back sins immediately. And sometimes later for sure.
Nonetheless beleaving, phantasy, dreaming, visionary thinking, happy puzzleing facts, curiosity, free thinking is the key for every great innovation. Start playing a game, then invent something.
My motivations are in the following order:
1. to lift a secret, be part of something new and great, to feel special
2. to bring down oil-, gas-, electricity-prices, powering my home
3. to earn some money with the knowledge/units (doesn't have to mean becoming rich)
4. to help poor people, having a cheap unit for electrycity, better live
5. to doing something for environment, reduce the risk becoming sick thru pollution
6. to see some hard sceptics stop laughing, show them their limits
7. to see some stocks crashing and see what happens then to the society
8. to see the very rich people of oil-industry not wasting their money anymore
OK let's push the subject of delusion on something more specific. Here's the story.
Many many months ago, I think it was Stefan that had an idea for a square wheel with sliders. In that thread I posted a design for a wheel. The idea just popped into my head from I can't remember what natural inspiration. This idea kept maturing and I started doing some drawings on my Corel Draw program. I analyzed all the angles. I made drawings that were titled every 2 degrees for 90 degrees (45 drawings) and placed by steel bearings in their places to make sure that there was always more weight on the right then on the left. I did all the due diligence possible knowing this is impossible, but the idea kept eating away.
I sent the drawings to a friend who has a water jet cutter so he could cut the parts. He told me he needed it in AutoCad. OK, so I borrowed AutoCad from my Sister-in-Law and learned to use it and re-did the drawings. I asked him to cut it out of aluminum since this was the lightest metal around, plus the two transparent covers were cut from plexiglas. The blue image below is the original drawing I sent him. Notice the elaborate curves inside each of the eight sections.
So I get the parts, get a company to fit two bearings in the center wheel and one bearing on each vertical stand. Put the thing together and low and behold, it doesn't turn over. So I think and think again. Get myself a few grinding wheels for my drill and start modifying it from the original design. Things start looking better but every time I would remove some metal from somewhere, I would change the balance on the other side. So I continue anyways taking off more of the original design until I finally realize, the wheel itself had to be balanced. So I bring the wheel into a special metal shop that has a balance system to find out I was 22 grams heavy on one side. So I removed here and there and finally see the wheel is perfectly balanced.
At home, I put the perfectly balanced wheel back together but don't forget, the wheel has now been modified by my former actions. Give the wheel a small spin and it turns and turns until it stops. This wheel (shown below) is almost turning on its own. I have now realized that the aluminum is too heavy for the total weight of the balls trying to keep such a mass in motion. So now, I will be making a new wheel with the original design, and it will be made of plastic which is already purchased and sent to my jet cutter friend. I only need to make some small mods on the design because I was using 3/4" ball bearings and this wheel will be using 1" ball bearings to increase the ball ratio even more. The plastic will weight 1/3 that of the aluminum. Total cost thus far about 700$ plus time, etc., etc. The new wheel will also be balanced before anything else. I learned a great deal from this little venture. Will it work. I am 99% sure it will and 100% sure it won't. But the inventor is always sure it will otherwise he would not try it. And this is not based on wishful thinking but well planned, preliminary scrutiny for hours and hours trying to see where there is a flaw but all indications where positive. My original design ensures that the bottom ball is pushed right as well as the top left ball pushed to the right as much as possible in order to keep the weight greater on the right. There is no other way to have a chance at such wheels working.
So, am I crazy? Am I deluded? For me not to be deluded, was I supposed to design this and have it work the first time around. Was I expecting problems? Yes I was. Was I ready and did I have the means to tackle these problems. Yes I did. So I ask the question again. Am I deluded?
Well maybe I am, but I can tell you this. Any time anyone has a wheel to make and needs some guidance, I have now the experience to provide good information based on "trials", "tinkering" call it what you will. Experience. I'll let you know how it goes with the plastic wheel. If it works, I will call it the Anti-Delusion Wheel. If it does not work, it will make a nice piece of art and call it Delusion-X. A few magnets and it will eventually turn.
Delusion is not the base. Want of an answer is the base and can be confused with delusion. Was Tesla deluded? Are people that build homes and cities in flood zones or earthquake zones deluded. Are people that eat pickles deluded since 100% of people that eat them will eventually die.
I have three businesses and do very well. One of the businesses since 1988 I have always use just to develop products and accumulate expenses including OU investigations under R&D. 50% of such expenses are eventually tax deductable should I decide to close that company or I can put any gains in the company and withdraw them personally no-tax which would be off-set by the capital invested. Is this delusion? I have over 1/2 a million accumulated over the years but have had products on and off the market for as long. Is this delusion. I call it smart hobbying.
So Humbugger brought up a good subject. Something that can be used as a mirror to look at ourselves and what we are involved in under a more discriminating manner. So again, I ask Stefan to please put Humbugger back online. The guy deserves a break.
hi wattsup,
you are right, there is no need to bann Humbugger such early.
Your work: nice solid construction! You are on the way of Bessler. 8) Your way is normal research and no delusion. Of course, everybody beleaves in his success, otherwise such work is impossible. i tried such similar and will continue soon, when i have more time.
You wrote: I will be making a new wheel with the original design, and it will be made of plastic which is already purchased and sent to my jet cutter friend
Do a tryout. i agree, the balls weight is too light in relation to the friction caused by the weight of the whole thing.
My view - Spoken honestly: This type of construction is tried many times by individuals. Without additional concepts it will not run such plain its concept is. But its good for brainstorming. And the Bessler-whell cannot be much different.
You wrote: "Any time anyone has a wheel to make and needs some guidance, I have now the experience to provide good information based on "trials", "tinkering" call it what you will. Experience."
Yes, one thing is for sure: Research keeps the brain fit and each step teaches a lot. There is no success without many mistakes before !!!
To an extent we are all deluded. I went to a school where science was taught.I earn my living working on domestic washing machines, using scientific principles to repair them. These days I am a bit of a sceptic, but it was not always so. I used to believe all sorts of woo-woo stuff from water devining to religeon. I have allways been a tinkerer. Over the years, the local rubbish tip used to provide endless raw materials for building gadgets etc. This has sadly now been banned under the new regulations. I still harbour some delusions which i can not seem to shake off, such as the possibility of using mathematics to predict the lottery. Tinkering with OU is a bit like buying a lottery ticket, the odds are terrible but you never know. As has been said, it is a form of entertainment, and a harmless one, after all.
but should someone be baned jest becaus they downt agree? if I was humburger, i'd be mad as all get out right now. the rules donwnt say you can be baned for pointing up some delousions and making an opinion of it! just for saying bad names, telling a lie or posting porno or saying racist hate and swearing or stuff. at leest he shuld get a warning first I think don't you? lets take a poll?
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Poll?
I'd say Humbugger was banned unjustly. A man of experience should always be welcome.
Okay, I have removed the ban on user Humbugger,
but I hope he will not try to put down again other users
with their experiments.
Maybe he should then post more in the skeptics board over here.
Sorry, normally I put a warning on users first before I ban
somebody and I was in a personal bad mood that day, so I did not put
the warning on him.
Regards, Stefan. ( admin)
@wattsup
if you don?t store the movements pf the weights in springs,
all the potential enery is lost when they have gone down
and you need the same energy and more , due to friction,
to bring them up again.
So a gravity wheel in my opinion can only work,
if you store the weight movements via springs,
so you can pull the weights up again with no
other energy input again....
or use asymmetrical centrifugal forces onto the weights
to keep the wheel
spinning...
Quote from: hartiberlin on August 19, 2007, 06:34:54 PM
Okay, I have removed the ban on user Humbugger,
but I hope he will not try to put down again other users
with their experiments.
Maybe he should then post more in the skeptics board over here.
Sorry, normally I put a warning on users first before I ban
somebody and I was in a personal bad mood that day, so I did not put
the warning on him.
Regards, Stefan. ( admin)
@Stefan
Thank you for reconsidering. I accept your apology. I also apologize for probably adding to your "personal bad mood"; I did not intend to anger, only to stimulate introspection and thought.
I guess I must consider this episode as "a warning" now, although I am not exactly certain of what the rules are still. Maybe to just be sure to balance my skeptical comments with kindness and give good scientific reasons and to try to find more threads where I can add positive encouragement (that has been tough for me, I admit). It's just that I tend toward automatic skepticism where a lot of people here seem to tend toward automatic belief (or at least benefit of the doubt).
I understand that you have a balance to keep here and that it's totally reasonable for you to take the position of encouraging any and all new approaches and experiments. It is in everyone's interest that the site stays alive and growing. Some of my comments could easily be taken as "putting down" the entire website and saying all of ou.com members are nutcase psychos. I don't really feel that way and I apologize for putting out that sort of vibe at times. I have my "bad days" as well.
My strong feeling is that it's important for this website to keep some balance between welcoming and supporting all ideas and equally encouraging reasonable skepticism, as long as it is done in a constructive and educational way. I'll try hard to not make condescending comments, but I would like to think I'm welcome to "call on the carpet" anyone making obviously false claims, erroneous measurements or incorrect math/logic conclusions in any thread. When folks start reporting energy in volts per hour, I react!
When, as in the case of Bill Mehess, whom I tore into pretty good, the inventor openly asks for comments, it's fair game. In Bill's case, he asked people to answer the question "Should I continue this project?". There are many disguises of the same basic projects and not all members are adept at seeing the underlying "non-principals" at play.
Don't you agree that some of the ideas proposed should be nipped in the bud rapidly to avoid the site getting a reputation as the host of silliness? I've seen quite a few based on plugging off-the-shelf battery chargers into off-the-shelf inverters and hooking both to the same battery bank to get "over-unity".
Or using a little low-power motor to run a big high-power generator and closing the loop. Or gearing up or down. Someone should point out to these folks, right away, that these approaches are just not worthy of physical experiment...especially not over and over and over again! Don't you think so?
I suppose what is obvious to some is a mystery to others and I suppose it is arrogant of me to dismiss anything but, after all, we are here to learn what works. One of the only ways we have, given the lack of well-documented and validated reproducible approaches available, is by the process of elimination. How many times must we build and test a square wheel to determine that it is not a workable approach? I would think only once if there is a true world wide forum for knowledge involved!
Anyway...enough ranting for today. Thank you, Stefan, for reconsidering and thanks to all who wrote posts regarding the matter. I appreciate your concern and support and I will try to bring value and reason in any of my future activities here.
Humbugger says: "Bah" doesn't mean I disrespect you! It just means I don't agree!
Well,
Good to have you back ;)
Stefan, cudos for listening.
Darren
Many, many thanks, Stefan!
Welcome back, Humbugger!
It seems that all of us may have a real job in free energy, thanks to EnergieLibre!!!
Check http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3086.0/topicseen.html. It is somehow painful to read http://www.universons.com (account needs to be created, many pages, physics in theory, equations and experiments, tricky logic etc. etc.) but the reward is almost un-imaginable.
So, Humbugger, is it possible for you to be eager to build something new and not extremely complex in power electronics and gas discharge? The universons? theory holds and this is THE free energy I was looking for. It seems absolutely real! It has all the features I was long expecting: theory (a coherent one), explanation of various facts and solution to historical puzzles, principle experiments relative easily verifiable, you name it! Last, but not least, IT IS a new source of energy, as I predicted to be necessary in one of my previous post. I?m still perplexed after couple of days of reading? It will change the whole humanity in a matter of few years, if real. :o
I understand there are enough physicists here. The theory of universons has, imho, some weak points but it may be the case that my understanding is not complete or the weak points I?ve seen are explainable and maybe they are already detailed elsewhere. But the already existing experimental results clearly show that the main course is on track, so any weak point must have a solution. Anyway, my intention would be to contact sooner or later Mr. Claude Poher but firstly I?d like to know if anyone is interested in deeply discussing the subject over here and eventually refining together a list of questions. I intend to discuss with Mr. Poher on my behalf, without any connection with overunity.com, not because it is something wrong with the site but because clearly Mr. Poher is trying to take advantage of the results of his life-time work so if he refuses me, maybe he will respond to someone else around here.
Please reply on the above in the dedicated thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3086.0/topicseen.html. (Eventually when moving into the dedicated thread, please quote some of this post to avoid me posting twice. Tx)
Tinu
P.S.
1. I hope my above-expressed position responds also to the main topic of this thread, right Sataure? It was an abrupt change indeed in chasing that proverbial goose!
2. I really like you, Old Inventor! ;)
So all's well in Camelot. See you around the table.
@Stefan: well done! Nothing against banning someone. The time must be choosen carefully and after warning.
@neptune: Tinkering with OU is a bit like buying a lottery ticket, the odds are terrible but you never know. that's a good illustration, although i don't and won't play the lottery. Difference: you can raise the chances by reflection.
Quote from: hartiberlin on August 19, 2007, 06:34:54 PM
Okay, I have removed the ban on user Humbugger,
but I hope he will not try to put down again other users
with their experiments.
Maybe he should then post more in the skeptics board over here.
Sorry, normally I put a warning on users first before I ban
somebody and I was in a personal bad mood that day, so I did not put
the warning on him.
Regards, Stefan. ( admin)
I've been thinking a bit about this acceptance of weird skeptical behaviour. I think it's a known fact that every post that doesn't bring a subject forwards is a useless contribution. It's just not worth the time reading it. The main intention is to obstruct the research of others. I'm really trying to figure out what other use it could possibly have. I love constructive criticism, cynicism is just not it.
They seem to focus attention on the easy debunking targets and make it look as if con artists make up the core of the technology. They seem to be researching the researcher rather then the overunity apparatus. So, I have now researched the researcher researching me and I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as an informed septic.
It must be a very complex puzzle to moderate this board.
It's not fair to Ban people after questioning something. But I know most inventors are one hundred percent uninterested in this discussion. Most will just opt to post nothing.
What ever happens it's always the admin who gets the blame it seems. :D
Your hard work is much appreciated.
I say Ban everyone! me first !! lolzzz Oh, and add
"the laws of thermodynamics" to the banned word list. That would be just great. :D
Thanks again 8)
Hello, new on this post and wanted to follow along, also new to this site. Never heard of overunity or bessler until a few weeks ago. Seems alot of people have the wheel figured out. I just don't know why they don't show us , LOL. I should preface my entry into this forum by saying i am from Northern New England in the USA. I have a strange sense of sarcasm which sometimes does not translate well into text. So i apologize ahead of time for any arogant sounding or inflamatory remarks.
I just want to say i do not claim to have a working protoype of any type of self sustaining gravity wheel, Hopefully this will not preclude me from sharing some observations. Some of which i am sure have been already observed by many others. The previous post says why should we be here if we are not trying to further the knowledge of others. so here is me sharing ;D
1.
The bidirectional versus the single direction wheel. I know it is obvious but depending upon which side of the wheel you are statnding on dictates which direction the wheel apprears to be moving in. So by just creating the same wheel twice and meshing together you would have a wheel that was capable of turning in either direction easily. This shows us that the wheel when completed will have enough torque to pick up the dead weight of the nonactive wheel. Also this explains why past wheels that were reported to operate worked slower and had less torque as a bidirectional wheel. If optimum efficiency is desired only one direction need to be achieved. I can see why some one would want to show that they could do it but it makes for a less efficient machine. Do we really need to stop a gravity machine and change directions if its powering a water pump, generator or whatever?
2.
The larger the machine gets the slower it appears to go is only because the larger the machine gets , the larger the weights have to be to move it at the same speed. SInce we are talking about some large forces "gravity" the stress or force they create onto a wood structure would cause it to break. If building the machine from wood you would have to scale down the weights as you got larger so as not to destroy you machine.
3.
The six weight one direction wheel would have 7 axis.
4. I see no reason why the secret once found can't be made to be profitable for the discoverer as well as open sourced fot the world. I can build a car. But its cheaper to buy one. You can get free electricity from a windmill generator in your backyard but how many do? To tell someone that they should give up now if they expect to profit from gravitational energy because the only goal should be to set the world free seems crazy to me.Microsft wants to pay 44 Billion for a website designed in a basement, but the discoverer of free energy should just be proud. I want to give fre energy to the world, but i also don't want to fall of a windmill because i'm still working when i'm 60.
Quote from: wattsup on August 19, 2007, 11:34:59 AM
OK let's push the subject of delusion on something more specific. Here's the story.
Many many months ago, I think it was Stefan that had an idea for a square wheel with sliders. In that thread I posted a design for a wheel. The idea just popped into my head from I can't remember what natural inspiration. This idea kept maturing and I started doing some drawings on my Corel Draw program. I analyzed all the angles. I made drawings that were titled every 2 degrees for 90 degrees (45 drawings) and placed by steel bearings in their places to make sure that there was always more weight on the right then on the left. I did all the due diligence possible knowing this is impossible, but the idea kept eating away.
I sent the drawings to a friend who has a water jet cutter so he could cut the parts. He told me he needed it in AutoCad. OK, so I borrowed AutoCad from my Sister-in-Law and learned to use it and re-did the drawings. I asked him to cut it out of aluminum since this was the lightest metal around, plus the two transparent covers were cut from plexiglas. The blue image below is the original drawing I sent him. Notice the elaborate curves inside each of the eight sections.
So I get the parts, get a company to fit two bearings in the center wheel and one bearing on each vertical stand. Put the thing together and low and behold, it doesn't turn over. So I think and think again. Get myself a few grinding wheels for my drill and start modifying it from the original design. Things start looking better but every time I would remove some metal from somewhere, I would change the balance on the other side. So I continue anyways taking off more of the original design until I finally realize, the wheel itself had to be balanced. So I bring the wheel into a special metal shop that has a balance system to find out I was 22 grams heavy on one side. So I removed here and there and finally see the wheel is perfectly balanced.
At home, I put the perfectly balanced wheel back together but don't forget, the wheel has now been modified by my former actions. Give the wheel a small spin and it turns and turns until it stops. This wheel (shown below) is almost turning on its own. I have now realized that the aluminum is too heavy for the total weight of the balls trying to keep such a mass in motion. So now, I will be making a new wheel with the original design, and it will be made of plastic which is already purchased and sent to my jet cutter friend. I only need to make some small mods on the design because I was using 3/4" ball bearings and this wheel will be using 1" ball bearings to increase the ball ratio even more. The plastic will weight 1/3 that of the aluminum. Total cost thus far about 700$ plus time, etc., etc. The new wheel will also be balanced before anything else. I learned a great deal from this little venture. Will it work. I am 99% sure it will and 100% sure it won't. But the inventor is always sure it will otherwise he would not try it. And this is not based on wishful thinking but well planned, preliminary scrutiny for hours and hours trying to see where there is a flaw but all indications where positive. My original design ensures that the bottom ball is pushed right as well as the top left ball pushed to the right as much as possible in order to keep the weight greater on the right. There is no other way to have a chance at such wheels working.
So, am I crazy? Am I deluded? For me not to be deluded, was I supposed to design this and have it work the first time around. Was I expecting problems? Yes I was. Was I ready and did I have the means to tackle these problems. Yes I did. So I ask the question again. Am I deluded?
Well maybe I am, but I can tell you this. Any time anyone has a wheel to make and needs some guidance, I have now the experience to provide good information based on "trials", "tinkering" call it what you will. Experience. I'll let you know how it goes with the plastic wheel. If it works, I will call it the Anti-Delusion Wheel. If it does not work, it will make a nice piece of art and call it Delusion-X. A few magnets and it will eventually turn.
Delusion is not the base. Want of an answer is the base and can be confused with delusion. Was Tesla deluded? Are people that build homes and cities in flood zones or earthquake zones deluded. Are people that eat pickles deluded since 100% of people that eat them will eventually die.
I have three businesses and do very well. One of the businesses since 1988 I have always use just to develop products and accumulate expenses including OU investigations under R&D. 50% of such expenses are eventually tax deductable should I decide to close that company or I can put any gains in the company and withdraw them personally no-tax which would be off-set by the capital invested. Is this delusion? I have over 1/2 a million accumulated over the years but have had products on and off the market for as long. Is this delusion. I call it smart hobbying.
So Humbugger brought up a good subject. Something that can be used as a mirror to look at ourselves and what we are involved in under a more discriminating manner. So again, I ask Stefan to please put Humbugger back online. The guy deserves a break.
Looks a lot like this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GhR-K10UjnY&eurl=http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Gravity_Motors
Quote from: Humbugger on August 18, 2007, 03:13:13 AM
I am aware that the chaotic, seething, churning atomic-level energy is everywhere, yes. Getting it to line up and dance forever for our particular desired energy purposes with some oscillators, crystals, magnets, coils, belts, weights, pendulums, MOSFETs and pullies? And no continuing energy input? Not a chance. Period.
@Humbugger,
Here´s just a little tonic to help you overcome your current debilitating bout of skepticism:
It would appear to me that Paul Lawrence has proved that a Maxwells Demon like device is possible, althought the output is very feeble it does prove without doubt (at least to my mind) that the seething chaotic noise that you refer to can indeed be rectified.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.0
Best, Yucca.
@Yucca
@Humbugger was banned from the forum many many months ago although I am still wondering why the hell he was banned. He had good solid EE foundation and was willing to help here although I must admit his use of some derogatory techniques towards other members was kind of tiring. Something like @TheBuzz and even then, I still don't know why Stefan banned him. He had some good things to bring to the forum if guys were willing to look past his verbal antics. Such guys may have been rough but they had character and only wanted to help. They should all have taken lessons from former member @Z_P_E who also had the strong EE base but looked past his learned base convictions to give this overunity orientation an honest chance. Cripes, find me a teacher that is both top level and a Mother Teresa at the same time. OK, not including @Erfinder and @Armagdn03. lol
Most everything we all know is on this forum. All the time, energy and money we all spent trying all the systems, devices, experiments, etc., are all on this forum.
Guys should learn to better use the advanced search features on the forum and will realize the wealth of information from all angles, then if they have something new to add or wish to continue an existing thread, just use it and continue form there.
To many new threads are opening up for many small ideas that could have been just tagged onto existing threads. I think @stefan should put a limit on the number of new threads that members can open so we don't have to wade through so many different locations. I would say one thread per 3 months maximum per member. So when guys want to say something, this will force them search this site for the right thread to tag it onto and maybe not create so much of what I am seeing as simple re-hash.
Anyways, keep on truck'in. Oh yeh, whatever happened to the logo thread. lol
@Wattsup
Oh, I didn´t realise he was banned again after Stefan lifted the ban in this thread, also I didn´t realise how old his post was, forgot to look at the post date :-[ woops!
I agree with what you say about the forum being noisy. I think a thread limit per user would be good and make people post only good stuff.
I don´t know what happened to the logos thread either, maybe Stefan will do something with some logo when he revamps the site in the new year?
Cheers, Yucca.