Check out this PRESS RELEASE
http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed (http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed)
Quote from: hopecell on November 20, 2007, 06:54:33 PM
Check out this PRESS RELEASE
http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed (http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed)
Big claims on the site.Ã, And appears to be looking for funding.Ã, Hopefully not a scam.Ã,Â
If I understand correctly, they have only filed a provisional patent application, which means we probably won't see the published application for a long time.Ã, Until then, I doubt they will reveal much detail about "how" the technology works, although they could without loosing the protection of their "priority date" when the applicaiton is filed.
Just as information:
- provisional application can be filed and then inventer can wait max 12 months
- provisional application only has to have small amount of information about the invention, and is not required to make "claims" (claims are what you are given patent #s for)
- by last day of 12 months, inventor has to file non-provisional patent application (this is regular application, same as if you didn't file provisional)
- after non-provisional application is filed, the application will be published in about 6 months, unless you don't claim the date of the provisional application then it will publish in 18 months
- sometime after publication, USPTO will schedule examination
- time after this depends on complexity of the patent application and how busy the people are in the part of USPTO which reviews your invention type
- some time in the future you get a response about your patent from examiner, then you might have to answer questions or make some changes
- then someday, you either get one or more patent # for your appliation, or you get told no patent
Doesn't sound fun, does it?
Anyway, I'm not sure why hopecell posted here unless to find investment.Ã, Unless they are willing to issue NDA's to inventors/scientists here and share information in order to validate their claims.Ã, This would certainly help them raise money.Ã, But anyway, this is an opensource technology site so really not in the spirit of our goals here.
Regards,
jeffc
My first impression when I saw the site:
All smoke and mirrors.
Reading all of it did not change my mind.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on November 21, 2007, 05:24:08 PM
My first impression when I saw the site:
All smoke and mirrors.
Reading all of it did not change my mind.
Hans von Lieven
Hans,
It is unfortunate that some people go to such effort to scam hopeful people out of their money. We can only be hopeful it isn't the case with this cold fusion claim, but as you said it doesn't look good from the start.
Regards,
jeffc
Please check PRESS RELEASE in NEWS section posted 23.11.07 as answer to your doubts.
You will be notify of further developments. Any other question - I'll be happy to answer.
Best luck and all the best
hopecell Robert V
G'day hopecell,
The news release raises more doubts than what is answers, so does your website.
Hans von Lieven
G'day Hans
Have you receive copy of IP Australia?
no hopecell,
I have not my e-mail is hans@keelytech.com , if you would sen me a copy I would be obliged
Thanks
Hans von Lieven
I have just resend copy of IP Australia
With regards
Robert V Hope cell
Quote from: hopecell on November 20, 2007, 06:54:33 PM
Check out this PRESS RELEASE
http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed (http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed)
First of all, the article is an advertisement posing as a press release. What article starts off with "INVESTORS WANTED?"
Second, the name of the company the article refers to matches your nick, so you are clearly just a shill.
Scam.
Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
In another hand there is wall of silence and information blocking I am facing, not to mention regular "scaning" of my computer and place I'm living, so I have not other option but to go public in form I am going, just to protect my self and family. First thing I intent to do after patenting process alow me, is to give technology on independent review and then publish input/output data for cell as per those review results.
Hope cell (stands for cell it self not an company and present
Hydrogen / Oxygen / Plasma / Electrolyser and is developed as private venture)
Have nice day
Robert Vancina HOPE Cell
G'day Robert,
Thanks for the documents, only two of them were legible. They don't tell me much. They describe in vague terms a device similar to the one tested by Jean Paul Naudin, a simple plasma electrolyser arrangement. There is something said about some control mechanism but it is not described, neither is the main device illustrated or specified.
I wish I could say something different but the whole thing still appears as thin as it did when I first looked at it. I am posting the two pages here so everyone can see what I am talking about. As you told me in your e-mail that you had unsuccessfully tried to post the pages on this forum I don't feel I am breaching any confidence.
I need more data if you want me to evaluate your project.
Hans von Lieven
EDIT: It is unfair to compare your project with Fleischmann and Pons. They disclosed exactly what they did. You say nothing about that device of yours. It is the lack of data we are criticising, not the alleged device.
Quote from: hopecell on November 24, 2007, 12:59:39 AM
Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
In another hand there is wall of silence and information blocking I am facing, not to mention regular "scaning" of my computer and place I'm living, so I have not other option but to go public in form I am going, just to protect my self and family. First thing I intent to do after patenting process alow me, is to give technology on independent review and then publish input/output data for cell as per those review results.
Hope cell (stands for cell it self not an company and present
Hydrogen / Oxygen / Plasma / Electrolyser and is developed as private venture)
Have nice day
Robert Vancina HOPE Cell
To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD. Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain. Make sure it covers the ears.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 24, 2007, 09:10:15 AM
Quote from: hopecell on November 24, 2007, 12:59:39 AM
Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
In another hand there is wall of silence and information blocking I am facing, not to mention regular "scaning" of my computer and place I'm living, so I have not other option but to go public in form I am going, just to protect my self and family. First thing I intent to do after patenting process alow me, is to give technology on independent review and then publish input/output data for cell as per those review results.
Hope cell (stands for cell it self not an company and present
Hydrogen / Oxygen / Plasma / Electrolyser and is developed as private venture)
Have nice day
Robert Vancina HOPE Cell
To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD. Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain. Make sure it covers the ears.
To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD. Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain. Make sure it covers the ears.
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it is sad to read comments like that on a site where everybody deals with unusual phenomena and technology.
again not necessary; who knows, there might be something valid in every posting, but certainly not in mockery and insult...
Quote from: Eden on November 26, 2007, 07:50:10 AM
it is sad to read comments like that on a site where everybody deals with unusual phenomena and technology.
again not necessary; who knows, there might be something valid in every posting, but certainly not in mockery and insult...
On the contrary, mockery of scammers is useful. This guys is asking for money on the thinnest of evidence. Publicly mocking him may prevent someone from getting duped.
Quote from: hopecell on November 24, 2007, 12:59:39 AM
Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
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"backyard inventors" - that's an arrogant observation. Ya know, there are actually several Engineers and Scientists that frequent these forums - some even funded by large corporations or government entities.
Searched the European Patent Office site for the international classification listed on the IP and got 3527 hits - lots of competition out there.
QuoteQuote from: Eden on November 26, 2007, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: shruggedatlas on November 24, 2007, 09:10:15 AM
Quote from: hopecell on November 24, 2007, 12:59:39 AM
Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
In another hand there is wall of silence and information blocking I am facing, not to mention regular "scaning" of my computer and place I'm living, so I have not other option but to go public in form I am going, just to protect my self and family. First thing I intent to do after patenting process alow me, is to give technology on independent review and then publish input/output data for cell as per those review results.
Hope cell (stands for cell it self not an company and present
Hydrogen / Oxygen / Plasma / Electrolyser and is developed as private venture)
Have nice day
Robert Vancina HOPE Cell
To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD. Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain. Make sure it covers the ears.
To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD. Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain. Make sure it covers the ears.
it is sad to read comments like that on a site where everybody deals with unusual phenomena and technology.
again not necessary; who knows, there might be something valid in every posting, but certainly not in mockery and insult...
shruggedatlas is a disinformation agent.
Ask him about Ben Laden and you know enough.
Read his postings and you see he does nothing but bother people.
so obvious.
Quote from: hopecell on November 24, 2007, 12:59:39 AM
Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims?
Ponds: real name Zayev ( Zajew in russian l.)
He was head of russian cold fusion program in 60-ies.
But according to academician Leonid Fominsky ( also from Ukraine as Zayev) he simply had not all information needed to make all run properly.
Russians do it so, that divide work and papers so, 1 person, even heading project, does can not gather all informations.
This program was going from end of 50-ies about for 10 years, after first Filimonienko researches which proposed engine for space flights on slow fusion.
The engine was resembling something like todays VHG of Potapov, but was more sophisticated and using costly materials such palladium and titanium.
It was running on much higher temps as VHG, about 900 deegres.
Zayev ( Jew from Ukraine) was after 10 years from program end, allowed to go out from Russia.
Filimonienko for his political activity, ( he refused not to take part in much more important nuclear program, i think he had something common with Sakcharov) had many problems..... ::)