9/11 Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery Suppression Timeline
By CB_Brooklyn
Lenin, the first Communist dictator after the takeover of Russia in 1917, is widely credited with the following quotation, "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
There are three basic versions of the 9/11 events. Although differences and/or overlapping may occur, the following three versions generally describe what most people believe:
1. OGCT. This is known as the ?Official Government Conspiracy Theory?. This version states that a guy from a cave in Afghanistan conspired with 19 boxcutter-wielding Muslims to hijack airplanes, outwit the USA?s entire multi-trillion dollar defense system, and cause the Twin Towers to collapse. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the truth of 9/11.
2. APCT. I call this the ?Alternate Propaganda Conspiracy Theory?. This version states that, more or less, there were hijackings on 9/11, but the planes might have been taken under remote control to ensure they crashed as planned. Airplanes most likely crashed at the Pentagon and Shanksville, but planes definitely did crash into the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers and WTC 7 collapsed from conventional explosives and thermite, and molten metal was found in the rubble. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the ?wacko conspiracy theory? that the ?truth movement? believes.
3. REAL. This, simply, is the REAL version, backed by actual evidence, Laws of Physics, and common sense: There were no hijackings, no plane crashes, the corporate media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane impacting the South Tower, and the WTC complex (not just the Towers and WTC 7) was destroyed with Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). The government and media steer clear of these.
Refer to the Lenin-credited quote above.
Is it possible the ?truth movement? has been run by the 9/11 perpetrators since day one?
Is it possible that certain individuals have been planted to steer the ?truth movement? away from the perpetrators? Is it possible these plants have affiliations with directed energy weapons (DEW)?
Is it even possible that some of these plants are ?in on it? while others got suckered in? You be the judge.
***Former Transportation Secretary, Norman Mineta, has ties to the Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS).
Mineta was Vice President of Lockheed Martin, a sponsor of DEPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mineta
http://www.deps.org/DEPSpages/sponsors.html
Mineta ensured minimal interference with the DEW by grounding as many commercial airliners as possible during the timeframe of the towers? destruction.
Mineta steered the ?truth movement? toward hijackings and plane crashes by spreading the ?Cheney stand down order? hoax.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3722436852417384871
***Former BYU physics professor, Steven Jones, has done research at Los Alamos where directed energy weapons are researched.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/atomic/physics1/atomic/jones_cv.htm
Jones steered the ?truth movement? toward thermite/conventional explosives/molten metal theories. Jones? molten metal evidence has been shown to be fabricated.
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=60
Jones ridicules the directed energy weapon and TV-Fakery theories with statements such as ?These two are noted for their no-planes-hit-the-Towers theories and for promoting the notion of ray-beams from space knocking down the Towers.?
http://judicial-inc.biz/Steven_Jones_quits_911.htm
***Physicist Greg Jenkins? has connections to the NSA and DEW:
"This work was supported in part by NSF grant DMR-9705129 and by funding from the NSA."
http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/cerne/reprints/ybco_prl.pdf
Jenkins? papers were listed in an annual report which also listed at least one manufacturer of directed energy weapons (Rockwell).
http://www.csr.umd.edu/csrpage/publications/Annual%20Report/annualreport.pdf
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/asat-overview.htm
Jenkins steered the ?truth movement? away from directed energy weapons by conducting an ambush interview of Dr Judy Wood. (However, a read of the transcript reveals Dr Wood won the debate hands down.)
http://drjudywood.com/articles/transcript/Jenkins_transcript.html
***Official at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, Van Romero, has ties to the Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS).
Romero participated in events at DEPS before and after 9/11.
http://www.deps.org/DEPSpages/DEMSconf03.html
http://www.deps.org/DEPSpages/EduWksp00.html
Romero steered the ?truth movement? toward standard controlled demolition by stating "It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points"
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/retractions/romero.html
Romero is a controlled demolitions expert. Scroll down a little and note the photo. Does Romero actually think this was caused by a ?relatively small amount of explosives??
***Former Director of the Star Wars program, Robert Bowman, is about as close to directed energy weapons as one can get.
Bowman steered the ?truth movement? toward hijackings, and NORAD standing down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5gio_iR2WE
Although he is in Jim Fetzer?s Scholars group, I have not heard him speaking about Dr Wood?s DEW evidence. I do remember, however, an interview where Bowman states that he ?doesn?t fall for conspiracy theories? with regard to controlled demolition.
Bowman has a PhD in Nuclear Engineering. How can he possibly call this a conspiracy theory?
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi87.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk126%2FCB_Brooklyn%2FPulverize%2520Post%2FMassive-Energy-Releases.jpg&hash=0a31fe8c92b7d5bb585cb1af8f908afb8982b330)
Also of note is the following:
The government contracted with several sponsors of the Directed Energy Professional Society for the NIST (NCSTAR 1) Report:
Boeing - Gold Level Current/Founding Sponsor
Applied Research Associates (ARA) - Silver Level Founding Sponsor
Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) - Silver Level Current Sponsor
http://www.deps.org/DEPSpages/sponsors.html
Dr Judy Wood has discovered that ARA and SAIC are manufacturers of Directed Energy Weapons and have expertise in Psychological Operations (PSYOPS).
http://drjudywood.com/articles/ARA/ARA.html
Dr Wood also discovered two images on ARA?s website that are similar to the World Trade Center. She details this in her Appeal to NIST?s denial of her Request for Correction.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/apics/Appeal_03.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/apics/Appeal_04.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/NIST_WoodAppeal.html
The New York Times is a mainstream media source. Do they tell the truth of 9/11 or do they hide it? Why on earth would they help the ?truth movement? by publishing evidence of explosives?
The New York Times steered the ?truth movement? towards explosives demolitions by publishing the WTC Task Force Interviews.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
However, they redacted evidence for Directed Energy Weapons.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html
Who's Popular On Corporate Media? Who's Not?
*William Rodriguez - publicly speaks up against DEW / TV-Fakery
http://www.911researchers.com/node/555#comment-4089
*David Ray Griffin - pro Global Government (aka New World Order)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-TZypcH9eg
*Steven Jones - pro explosives-demolition, pro thermite, pro molten metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayYXNo0i_Cs
*Kevin Barrett - supports Steven Jones
http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/KB/Barrett_Kevin.html
*Robert Bowman - expert on NORAD?s jet-scrambling procedures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5gio_iR2WE
*Judy Wood - never invited to discuss the DEW evidence, despite her filing of an actual court case
http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.html
*Morgan Reynolds - never invited back after discussing TV-Fakery on FOX News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQZT9Hzvt8
Reynolds also filed a court case
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=federal_case
*Jerry Leaphart - mainstream attorney never invited to discuss his clients? (Wood/Reynolds) 9/11 legal actions
In an interview with Kevin Barrett, trial attorney Jerry Leaphart has said:
"What I can tell you and the listeners, Kevin, is this. There is more admissible evidence associated with the theory that the World Trade Center was destroyed by directed energy weapons than there is admissible evidence for any single other theory out there that has been promulgated."
MP3 Clip: http://drjudywood.com/media/070727_JerryLeaphartRFC_Adm.mp3
Full Show: http://drjudywood.com/media/070727_JerryLeaphartRFCs.mp3
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The following is a timeline relating to promotion of the Alternate Propaganda Conspiracy Theory by government plants and the media, and suppression of the REAL version by government plants and media. Also included is suppression of free energy research.
Continued here:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=151&Itemid=60
Quote from: CB_Brooklyn on November 27, 2007, 09:40:50 PM
1. OGCT. This is known as the ?Official Government Conspiracy Theory?. This version states that a guy from a cave in Afghanistan conspired with 19 boxcutter-wielding Muslims to hijack airplanes, outwit the USA?s entire multi-trillion dollar defense system, and cause the Twin Towers to collapse. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the truth of 9/11.
2. APCT. I call this the ?Alternate Propaganda Conspiracy Theory?. This version states that, more or less, there were hijackings on 9/11, but the planes might have been taken under remote control to ensure they crashed as planned. Airplanes most likely crashed at the Pentagon and Shanksville, but planes definitely did crash into the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers and WTC 7 collapsed from conventional explosives and thermite, and molten metal was found in the rubble. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the ?wacko conspiracy theory? that the ?truth movement? believes.
3. REAL. This, simply, is the REAL version, backed by actual evidence, Laws of Physics, and common sense: There were no hijackings, no plane crashes, the corporate media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane impacting the South Tower, and the WTC complex (not just the Towers and WTC 7) was destroyed with Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). The government and media steer clear of these.
What kind of gullible moron are you? Your REAL version is laughable. Everyone knows that there never was a WTC complex. It was just a hologram. I mean, do you actually know anyone who ever worked there? On 9/11, they just turned off the hologram and exploded a bomb. How simple. No actual deaths involved that way.
You really need to change your REAL version to APCT #2, and revise the REAL version, because you are very far off, buddy. The sheeple out there can be fooled, but not the people in this forum.
You are soooooo wrong utilitarian.
There are only a handful of people that know the truth of what happened. I was there, I saw it all.
The truth will cause widespread panic all over the world but I am going to blow the lid on it right here.
The truth is:
GODZILLA DID IT !
Hans von Lieven
oh Hans, you should not have spilled the beans. The Like are gonna be on your
tail faster than an Eskimo can pee ice!
ERS
Come to think of it, if Util's hologram theory is correct and Hans was there when it happened then by logical extension it means that, wait for it, Hans is a hologram!
Where's the power switch!
ERS
I find it quite interesting that many well known people within the "truth movement" have affiliations with DEWs, such as Bob Bowman. And some of them speak up against DEWs, such as Steven Jones and Greg Jenkins.
And let's not forget Van Romero's "relatively small amount of explosives" comment, and all the recognition/awards/grants he got afterwards. Romero made presentations at the Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS) before and after 9/11!
And of course, Norman Mineta was VP of Lockheed Martin, a Gold-Level sponsor of DEPS.
And NIST contracted with ARA and SAIC; both are sponsors of DEPS.
One must ask themselves... what are all these DEW-affiliated people doing in and around the truth movement? Why are they here? And why do they speak up against DEW evidence?
Be sure to check out the FULL timeline on checktheevidence.com for all the information:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=151&Itemid=60
2000, Winter - DEPS? Newsletter ?Wave Front?
The first article in Volume 1, Issue 1 of Wave Front starts with the following quote:
"Lasers in space, lasers in the stratosphere, lasers
on and over the battlefield - we're at the
beginning of an evolutionary new wave of
weaponry."
http://www.deps.org/DEPSpages/graphics/wavefront2.pdf
What is most distressing of all is that every theory I've heard so far, no matter how implausible they may seem - have less holes in them than the "official story".
That's not counting what my own senses told me when it was reported that the Pentagon was hit [nearly an hour after the second tower was hit]
The taped accounts of the witnesses at the scene injured in the basement explosions - along with the mountain of other evidence was too much for me to dismiss.
Do not take my word or anyone else's on this - information is all there on the net - do your due diligence.
We all have an obligation to pay attention to both sides of an issue serious enough to polarize a large number of citizens against government.
Regards...
Hans is absolutely correct about Godzilla being the culprit but the real questions are still unanswered. Was Godzilla acting alone or employed by the Government.
Godzilla was paid by the world bank. That should be obvious. And we know WHO controls this cute little outfit.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on November 28, 2007, 12:03:45 AM
GODZILLA DID IT !
Hans von Lieven
GODZILLA is innocent ! We were both playing hide and go seek at the time! :D
"3. REAL. This, simply, is the REAL version, backed by actual evidence, Laws of Physics, and common sense: There were no hijackings, no plane crashes, the corporate media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane impacting the South Tower, and the WTC complex (not just the Towers and WTC 7) was destroyed with Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). The government and media steer clear of these."
Although the above statement is pretty hard to believe, I cannot in all certainty say it is not accurate - simply because I was not there.
I do know for certain that the injection of negative, incendiary, or sarcastic commentary into a discussion will discourage the participation those who wish to explore a subject.
Though we may not enter every discussion, I believe we all have a common interest to see them develop naturally.
That is something that should apply to all topics - after all...the suppression of ideas is what caused us all to be gathered here in the first place - otherwise we all would be focused on the pursuit of our own happiness in a whole different world.
Freedom of expression is not exclusive - it must apply to all -- or it does not exist.
Respectfully...
Quote from: utilitarian on November 27, 2007, 11:48:10 PM
What kind of gullible moron are you?
What kind are you?
You have been gulled into name calling. How could you let this happen?
I am not going to comment on what CB Brooklyn has offered up. I myself have been researching this tragedy for 18 months and have found only two things.
1, It doesn't matter about the plausibility of the evidence presented, or how many people are saying it, or how well you say it, or how many DVDs you hand out to your friends and family, or how well you can explain things to others, or ........ ETC ETC
If people don't want to listen, They won't.
2, As one of my friends so eloquently puts it "Its all a total F*+$ing CARVE UP" What I mean is, there are so many lies, distortions, inaccuracies, mis-truths and falsifications peddled as truth by the TV, news!papers, magazines, radio stations, publishers or anybody who has something to say on the matter, that it is now impossible to say what is true or false.
(Clue; This has always been the plan)
It doesn't matter if you wear a smart suit to present the national news or a placard in the street, everyone is saying "Please believe me, I know I'm right, here is some proof ! ! !"
So this is @ EVERYONE;
But first, let me say, I have the utmost respect for the level of intelligence displayed by people on this forum. So....
Use your own Intuition. Or, if I may put it another way, use your own spiritual being to judge what others want you to listen to.
So if that means making jokes to deflect the things you don't want to hear, then please join the ranks of the millions of others who display what George Orwell foresaw as 'Double-Think'
But above all other things remember this.
3 thousand + of our fellow Human Beings were snuffed out that day, and thousands more as a consequence
So is it not reasonable to leave the jokes and humour for other more worthy times?
We all know having a laugh with your friends lifts the heart to some great places.
But reading jokey replies on this thread does not lift my heart to those who think it is funny
Close your eyes and try and put yourself in the shoes of any one of those 3 thousand and there you will find true terror.........
No-one is laughing at 3000 dead. We are simply ridiculing those who are trying to find a million convoluted reasons to try to convince others it was their own government who did it.
Hans von Lieven
More eloquently stated than I, bourne.
~Chappeau~
Regards...
Quote from: bourne on December 01, 2007, 05:02:56 PM
I am not going to comment on what CB Brooklyn has offered up. I myself have been researching this tragedy for 18 months and have found only two things.
1, It doesn't matter about the plausibility of the evidence presented, or how many people are saying it, or how well you say it, or how many DVDs you hand out to your friends and family, or how well you can explain things to others, or ........ ETC ETC
If people don't want to listen, They won't.
2, As one of my friends so eloquently puts it "Its all a total F*+$ing CARVE UP" What I mean is, there are so many lies, distortions, inaccuracies, mis-truths and falsifications peddled as truth by the TV, news!papers, magazines, radio stations, publishers or anybody who has something to say on the matter, that it is now impossible to say what is true or false.
(Clue; This has always been the plan)
It's just that it is comical what some conspiracy buffs are willing to believe. Based on some sketchy inconsistencies, you guys posit this idea that there was a conspiracy. The conspiracy is speculation. You have no proof of the conspiracy, but believe anyway. Yes, you have your inconsistencies to point to, but you have no conspirators. So, you are speculating, and ridicule is what you deserve.
To summarize the various ideas I have heard floated around about why WTC 1 and 2 went down:
Bush death rays from space: yes
Alien death rays from space: yes
Planted explosives: yes
Tomahawk missiles: yes
Holographs from the sky: yes
Planes (captured on live video) piloted by Al Queda terrorists (whom we have video of at the airport) who hate us have sworn to destroy us (on video, audio and through written messages): not so much
Evidence of planes hitting the WTC and terrorists being on board those planes: plenty
Evidence of death rays, etc.: nada
Sorry, but ridicule is all you deserve. 3000 people died, and you try to blame it on our own government. You can keep babbling your nonesense for the rest of your life - I do not want to suppress you - but just expect to be ridiculed. Do not try to suppress my criticism of you, buddy!
@ shruggedatlas
You have clearly understood what I was trying to get across by only quoting the first half of my post, then lumping me in with the "Bush done it"
Crowd. Thanks for listening and taking time to think about what I said.
I haven't heard of the Aliens space rays or the Tomahawk thingy. So there are two more things to ignore. Thank you for enlightening me.
If you want my opinion the organization that pulled off the attack on the U.S. people wanted the first level of understanding to blame the muslim world, the next level of understanding would blame the U.S. govt.
Very few people have thought about looking elsewhere.
I will state now for the record I do not think the official story (muslims did it) OR ANY of the reactionary stories (Bush, U.S. govt., CIA, Aliens did it) are true.
I will explain this twice, Only pay attention to the part between 4mins 10sec to 5mins 45sec of this Youtube film
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bF3kDgp7dwI (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bF3kDgp7dwI)
The rest of it, as you say, might be speculation.
AGAIN. Only pay attention to the part between 4mins 10sec to 5mins 45sec of this Youtube film.
I am using the words of one of your ex-presidents to make my point, and I will give you one guess as to what happened to JFK 10 days after this speech
My point is; this huge collage of lies has been put before us all for a reason, by people you know nothing about. And we all keep arguing about who is right or wrong, all the while THEY don't get a mention.
Remember if your heart tells you its wrong, that's intuition.
If you parrot what you have heard on the television you have stopped believing in you heart.
These threads do get kind of annoying and random, but if you don't like it, don't post... All this "I need to ridicule" crap does is say, "I want to argue, because i'm bored"... ::)
Second, many idiots seem to put the questioner, no matter how valid they seem, into the same category. That way, they can target everyone much faster. Seriously; why waste all the effort on trying to ridicule all the truthers? If you believe it's not the truth, then why waste time trying to stop an opinnion? ???
Quote from: shruggedatlas on December 01, 2007, 06:47:48 PM
It's just that it is comical what some conspiracy buffs are willing to believe.
Sure, some of those who believe that 9-11 was an inside job are crazy, and some of the theories are ridiculous, but that is not evidence in support of the official position.Ã, Lots of perfectly non-crazy people reject the official explanations.
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Based on some sketchy inconsistencies, you guys posit this idea that there was a conspiracy.Ã, The conspiracy is speculation.
Yes, any particular theory is speculation, but that doesn't change the fact that there are good reasons to disbelieve the mainstream account.Ã, It's perfectly rational to reject the mainstream scenario even if you can't prove an alternative.Ã, It's rational, because there is evidence
against the official story -- most significantly that WTC 1 and 2 collapsed too fast, WTC 7 collapsed for no apparent reason, and all 3 collapses were the kind of beautiful implosions that you normally have to pay experts good money to make.
The fact is that many people simply have no way to judge the plausibility of the official account for themselves, so they believe it because it's the official account.Ã, Most others doubt their own judgement enough to allow the official account to go unchallenged.Ã, I firmly believe, however, that if a structural engineer, mechanical engineer, or physicist were to measure the plausibility of the official story against his own knowledge, then he'd very likely reject it.
Cheers,
Mr. Entropy
It was my stated intent not to engage in debate on an issue that according to polls 1/3 of all americans believe that 911 was a government conspiracy.
I believe an additional 50% are suspicious - and that is just americans - the numbers are much higher outside the influence of north american news media sources.
Having said that...one thing I ill say is...not one official has-or will address the unexplained demolition style collapse of building 7 - or for that matter the BBC's detailed coverage of its collapse...a full 20 minutes before it actually happened - the building was even shown in the background as their own reporter described the event - the BBC refuses comment - along with a laundry list of other glaring indicators that do not bear raising again.
So that is all I will say on that aspect of the event - I am not here to rehash what is obvious to the great majority, so I ask that the poster of the thread be respected for posting information in a presentable fashion for discussion.
If you find the subject matter ridiculous or funny, by all means have a good laugh...to yourself - there is no point in making personal remarks...unless it is your intent is to be disruptive.
I and have moved to how, and who knew what, and when.
Enjoy the day...
its about all we have left...for now
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Getting back on topic I'm always interested in exploring new theories on what the great majority believe to be a high level government conspiracy re: 911 - no matter how far fetched they may seem on the surface.
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"There are three basic versions of the 9/11 events. Although differences and/or overlapping may occur, the following three versions generally describe what most people believe:
1. OGCT. This is known as the ?Official Government Conspiracy Theory?. This version states that a guy from a cave in Afghanistan conspired with 19 boxcutter-wielding Muslims to hijack airplanes, outwit the USA?s entire multi-trillion dollar defense system, and cause the Twin Towers to collapse. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the truth of 9/11.
That story fell apart in the first hour when something hit and left a hole too small for an airliner to fit into, in the side of the Pentagon - restricted airspace under normal conditions - with missiles launched automatically if an aircraft eners the area and fails to immediately respond with a secure code upon prompt.
"2. APCT. I call this the ?Alternate Propaganda Conspiracy Theory?. This version states that, more or less, there were hijackings on 9/11, but the planes might have been taken under remote control to ensure they crashed as planned. Airplanes most likely crashed at the Pentagon and Shanksville, but planes definitely did crash into the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers and WTC 7 collapsed from conventional explosives and thermite, and molten metal was found in the rubble. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the ?wacko conspiracy theory? that the ?truth movement? believes."
I have heard eye witnesses reports the numerous explosions - and the still molten steel found months later under the corners of all buildings.
"3. REAL. This, simply, is the REAL version, backed by actual evidence, Laws of Physics, and common sense: There were no hijackings, no plane crashes, the corporate media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane impacting the South Tower, and the WTC complex (not just the Towers and WTC 7) was destroyed with Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). The government and media steer clear of these."
In the past I have viewed some videos of a planes hitting the towers from various angles with scenery that didn't match existing landscape - but I didn't really explore it at the time, so the jury is out.
"Is it possible the ?truth movement? has been run by the 9/11 perpetrators since day one?
Is it possible that certain individuals have been planted to steer the ?truth movement? away from the perpetrators? Is it possible these plants have affiliations with directed energy weapons (DEW)?
Is it even possible that some of these plants are ?in on it? while others got suckered in? You be the judge."
Anything is possible...and none are so calculating as the criminally insane - and according to former insiders they infiltrate every organization.
Regards
Regardless of whether or not this is a conspiracy or mass cover up, the United States Government was negligent in heeding the information about the attacks that was given to them from many credible sources with ample time to plan and counter the attacks.
There are thousands in our prison system because their negligence caused a single death yet the negligence of a handful allowed 3000+ to perish and no one was even mildly reprimanded nor was a sufficient investigation made.
Believe what you will. But you cant deny that our government could have done just a little bit more
What I am getting from everyone is that they feel the mainstream account is suspicious. Fine. I would not have bothered to post if that was all that was said. Though I think you have not thought it through, fine, whatever.
However, when people put up ridiculous scenarious such as the DEW nonsense, and then others essentially say, "Hey, keep an open mind, it could be. I can't disprove it," well I cannot resist. I do fully support everyone's right to express their views, and I am essentially doing the same.
At the end of the day, a raised eyebrow is not going to get you anywhere. At least at some point during the thought process, you have to come up with a reasonable scenario of why anyone would construct this conspiracy, given other alternatives. I am not saying it would be impossible to stage it, but it would be nearly impossible to keep everyone's lips closed. And whatever goal you put up, whether it is to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, strike against Al Queda, whatever, I can give you 10 other easier-to-pull-off and more effective plots (in terms of bloodshed and outrage).
Here are some:
* Truck bomb, like Oklahoma, but next to WTC and not at 8:30 but at 10 or 11 am (don't know why terrorists didn't try this themselves)
* Bombs inside the WTC with no planes involved. Hell, this is totally plausible, since it was actually tried before.
* Blowing up a cruise ship
* Poisoning water supply
* Dirty bomb in major city
These are all things that are easy for the goverment or other insiders to do but difficult for 19 Arab people to do. (Well, the truck bomb is not too hard.) Al Queda does not have easy access required for most of the above, but the government or local persons might.
Really, think hard. Come up with a scenario where staging 9/11 is the best option. This is something that requires massive planning. At some point in the meeting, someone gotta say, "Wait a minute, why do we need to get all these people involved. Planes, missiles, sattelites, real and fake victims, this is nuts. We are going to get caught. Lets just get 10 guys some fake passes, pay off a few WTC security people (and then kill them), and hide explosives in the supports of the WTC. You do not even need explosives on every floor, just one floor, and the whole thing goes down. And blow it at 10:00 am, when people are actually at work. Then we can get 20,000 casualties from just one building. More bang for the buck. And we will leave subtle clues that Iraq, the country we actually want to invade, is behind it.
I hope I am getting my point across, but I suspect my words are falling on deaf ears. But anyway, you certainly have a right to believe what you want.
They've closed down the buildings before, it's very possible that they planted explosives in that time frame. I don't believe that anyone would search the building for explosives before they had a reason to do so. Now, my theory. Massive missle bombs built to look like planes. There fuel + there bombs = VERY LARGE FORCE. Notice I don't include who would build it, for the critics sake.
EDIT: The bomb is a massive cluster bomb, spreading the cluster verticly to cause a ripple effect like we see in the world trade center.
Compartmentalization - isolation - intimidation - conditioning...are the tools used in large scale deception.
Do not take my word for it - listen to someone in the field who knows - that would be former FBI Director Ted Gunderson for one - someone I would describe as a true american patriot.
The technique of mass public deception has been used any times before - and was developed by L. Straussberg sp and used as a model by the nazi's starting with the Reichstag fire.
Students of that ideology of deception include members of the Bush adm, Cheney and Rumsfeld to name 2 - toss into the mix Canadian PM Steven Harper - who endorses and perpetuates war instead of the humanitarian intervention canadians were once known for world wide.
I hear what the former insiders say - and I see what is going on around me - they are the only ones with consistent accounts - that make sense.
You can't turn your back on these credible people's accounts - we are all obligated to do our due diligence to get to the truth on serious matters of conflict.
Regards...
*belated proof read
Quote from: shruggedatlas on December 01, 2007, 09:41:43 PM
What I am getting from everyone....
Oh, look you are clearly the wacko here?
Lets see you address the topic before you start talking about what thoughts you have about other people?
Lets see you in stead of attack people actually address the topic.
You are the one who ignorantly ignores the whole topic.
Lets take this one example at a time.
Here is one you have clearly ignored:
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 01, 2007, 09:12:40 PM..not one official has-or will address the unexplained demolition style collapse of building 7 - or for that matter the BBC's detailed coverage of its collapse...a full 20 minutes before it actually happened - the building was even shown in the background as their own reporter described the event - the BBC refuses comment - along with a laundry list of other glaring indicators that do not bear raising again.
Knowing the crime 20 min in advance does mean knowing the crime 20 min in advance.
It doesn't mean anything else.
Why do you not reply to the details?
Is it to complicated to call people nutcases when they are actually right about everything?
Is that it?
QuoteReally, think hard. Come up with a scenario where staging 9/11 is the best option. This is something that requires massive planning.
And under your nose they earn billions by executing this mass slaughter.
And what do you do?
You attack the people who want justice!!
THAT'S JUST AMAZING MAN!!
PFFFF !!!
Quote from: hansvonlieven on December 01, 2007, 06:03:37 PM
No-one is laughing at 3000 dead. We are simply ridiculing those who are trying to find a million convoluted reasons to try to convince others it was their own government who did it.
So there are 3000 people dead.
And you are getting a good laugh out of it.
No mistake here Hans.
You are having a laugh at the expense of the truth.
look at the way you are trained to silence those who want to talk about the truth.
And this would be funny right?
The reason they are talking about it is because the 3000 deaths.
So this will also be the reason you are laughing straight through it.
The world is changing into a corporate control state.
And it's all thanks to the ultra gullible like you.
Those who don't ever do sjhat what ever the hell happens are the perfect minions.
Slaves like that you just cant buy.
When its all said and done I do not want to be regretting my lack of effort to stop what is essentially the mass murder of innocent human beings - no matter what the justification.
Over here in north america over the decades I would hear read and see the negative condescending remarks made toward the german people for being so blind and gullible for allowing Hitler to do what he did.
To their credit though they did not have the luxury of an alternate news source like the internet at their disposal.
We in north america have absolutely no excuse for our ignorance - the truth is at our fingertips.
Unfortunately, so is the remote control for the TV - the great distractor.
End of rant.
Regards...
Quote from: gaby de wilde on December 02, 2007, 01:43:22 AM
Here is one you have clearly ignored:
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 01, 2007, 09:12:40 PM..not one official has-or will address the unexplained demolition style collapse of building 7 - or for that matter the BBC's detailed coverage of its collapse...a full 20 minutes before it actually happened - the building was even shown in the background as their own reporter described the event - the BBC refuses comment - along with a laundry list of other glaring indicators that do not bear raising again.
Oh no, the village idiot comes out to speak. And he is mad at me.
So the BBC is in on it? And no Brit has spilled the beans, despite surefire million-dollar interview deals that would follow? Laughable.
To clarify a point, and advance the discussion...
As to whether the BBC were complicit in a cover up of 911 or not?
Somehow they were able to provide a 20 minute descriptive reporting of the collapse of building 7 for a full 20 minutes leading up to its actual collapse, at which point the feed faded out...ever so suspiciously.
It was the BBC themselves who have opened the matter up for speculation by virtue of their refusal to provide the source of their information - after their initial excuse that they lost the tape from that day was blown out of the water by someone who had worked in network news.
According to that gentleman...'when anything of major consequence occurs, automatically numerous masters are made - in the event one or more of the recorders has a malfunction.
That makes sense to me - as does the position of guilt assumed by the BBC
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 02, 2007, 11:30:16 AM
To clarify a point, and advance the discussion...
As to whether the BBC were complicit in a cover up of 911 or not?
Somehow they were able to provide a 20 minute descriptive reporting of the collapse of building 7 for a full 20 minutes leading up to its actual collapse, at which point the feed faded out...ever so suspiciously.
It was the BBC themselves who have opened the matter up for speculation by virtue of their refusal to provide the source of their information - after their initial excuse that they lost the tape from that day was blown out of the water by someone who had worked in network news.
According to that gentleman...'when anything of major consequence occurs, automatically numerous masters are made - in the event one or more of the recorders has a malfunction.
That makes sense to me - as does the position of guilt assumed by the BBC
Regards...
OMG, use your brain! Think it all the way though.
So, what you are saying happened is that despite all this perfect secrecy, the conspirators went ahead and leaked info that WTC 7 was going to come down. They leaked it to the local media, who leaked it to BBC, or did they leak it straight to BBC? And then, the BBC decided that instead of reporting on this wild prediction bombshell, they were instead going to get a reporter up and talk about how WTC7 went down before it actually went down. Does any of this make any sense?
How about the following possibilities?
- Time stamp was wrong.
- Time zone calulation was wrong
- The report was initially incorrect, as can be attributed to chaos at the time, but the BBC ended up getting it right because the building eventually did go down
Now do keep in mind that the BBC was half a world away and it is possible that during this international game of telephone, when news of this horrific event was streaming across at a million miles an hour, someone could have misinterpreted "WTC7 is on fire and may go down" as "WTC7 is on fire and going down". Who knows?
Now I admit that I do not know and am guessing, but without further evidence of exactly what happened, the 20 minute gap is not worth much. We are all guessing, and this is proof of nothing, really.
I thought most of you want to see scientific facts before accepting something.
-there are an overwhelming amount of scientific facts proving that everything that happened that day, does not correspond to the official version.
-there is enough scientific proof from US physicists en architects that planes could not have caused the collapse.
-there are many books and DVD's that explain every aspect in detail.
-who orchestrated the 'events' on 911? certainly not a bunch of muslim terrorists!
too much carfull planning was needed weeks in advance, too much precise calculations for planting the explosives, and all TV channels kept mentioning on the very same day "secondary explosions" "third explosions" etc.
there is certainly some kind of high level conspiracy, and too many facts to mention the word 'theory'!
the only question unanswered is WHO.
if you are analysing things scientifically, you can only come to one conclusion...
one has just to be willing to do some homework.
It is pointless to languish in agonizing debate over the obvious with an ever shrinking minority who for their own personal reasons chose to ignore glaring facts.
For that reason I choose to focus on discussing the means and motives of the perpetrators.
If however, anyone wishes to speculate on the reasons why the BBC refused to account for their suspicious actions and subsequent deceptive reaction, or the elephant in the corner, represented by building 7...then I'm in.
I have found that usually those who act suspiciously and change their ground, usually have reason for do so - which has little to do with ascertainment of truth.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 02, 2007, 02:30:43 PM
It is pointless to languish in agonizing debate over the obvious with an ever shrinking minority who for their own personal reasons chose to ignore glaring facts.
For that reason I choose to focus on discussing the means and motives of the perpetrators.
If however, anyone wishes to speculate on the reasons why the BBC refused to account for their suspicious actions and subsequent deceptive reaction, or the elephant in the corner, represented by building 7...then I'm in.
I have found that usually those who act suspiciously and change their ground, usually have reason for do so - which has little to do with ascertainment of truth.
Regards...
But I take it you are incapable of constructing a scenario where staging 9/11 would be the optimal move?
Quote from: shruggedatlas on December 02, 2007, 03:56:17 PM
But I take it you are incapable of constructing a scenario where staging 9/11 would be the optimal move?
Perhaps not so, shrugged,
If the objective was to create a scenario that allowed the state to take away from its people some of their most cherished individual freedoms it was remarkably successful and the price both in casualties and property was very low compared to what it would have cost to try to introduce those measures out of the blue.
It is still open ended and I think you will find that individual freedoms will get further curtailled as time goes by.
I am no conspiracy theorist, yet one must examine all possible angles, and this one is at least feasible.
Hans von Lieven
I don?t get that.
People discuss what has happened,
other people think that what has happened
can be compensated by killing the responsible
persons and bombing the middle east back to
stone age.
I have seen so far (maybe I missed here something)
nobody who is asking the question W H Y ?????
Maybe it is dangerous to buy oil in the value of
some peta-billion dollars from people living in
"ancient" societies....
Maybe it is dangerous to earn the money back by
selling them weapons !!???
Maybe it is dangerous that one country expands the
size of its vital interests to the size of an entire planet !?
Free energy wont fix that.
But I think this is an interesting point to start a discussion.
Yes it was a terrible terrorist attack, lots of innocent people
died.
Otherwise thousands of people die every day - because of - !??
interests, ignorance, poverty, -----, nationalism, ...,oil, money, weapons,
drugs,-----, politics.
If you think about these issues - and how they relate to 9/11 -
it?s not necessary to solve the "what happened" issue.
You could have changed the world with the money spent in the
iraq war....
Why not changing the world ?
I don?t get that.
Good question Fritz,
The sad but brutal truth is that the powers that be do not want to make the world a better place, regardless of what they say. There is more wealth to be had for governments, companies and individuals in maintaining and creating conflict.
Hans von Lieven
Seems to be some sequence coded into human genome which is
responsible for selfdestruction to emphasize selection and mutation
to the honour of darwin ?
This would mean that we have no chance until we aren?t the most
violent and destructive subspecies of homo sapiens.
...thats so clear.... why does nobody speak it out ?
rgds.
"But I take it you are incapable of constructing a scenario where staging 9/11 would be the optimal move?"
I think you are very well aware of what my capabilities are - else you would have addressed the points I have raised.
To paraphrase an old Newfoundland saying...'fish or cut debate' :D
@all...Its hard to imagine that such complex and creative beings were intended to live lives of serfdom, violence and mindless obedience to concepts fed to them through a 30x30 electric image box isn't it...unless from birth those beings were conditioned to accept an ideology of paranoia, fear, suspicion, war and hate as reality...by a small number of the worst type of inbreds that humanity has to offer.
When you live in a society pooling its resources, it normally makes the load lighter on the individual.
When not not only is that not happening, but people are actually being tortured and murdered - then maybe its time to change lifeguards at the pool.
Regards...
Civilization has created more death than any other idea ever put into place. The fact is, government has a natural scent the seems to attract sociopaths...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 02, 2007, 07:28:14 PM
"But I take it you are incapable of constructing a scenario where staging 9/11 would be the optimal move?"
The village idiot will take your offer.
I don't have to construct anything tho. Adolf Hitler did all the work already.
The Reichstag fire was a pivotal event in the establishment of Nazi Germany. The fire was used as evidence that the Communists were beginning a plot against the German government.
The day after the fire, Hitler asked for and received from President Hindenburg the Reichstag Fire Decree, signed into law by Hindenburg using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany.
Like the patriot act after 911.
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
Prescott Bush led Nazi / Whitehouse Coup in 1933 The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush?s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
On 11 September 1990 Bush senior announces the Gulf war.
A million civilians as in woman children and old people blown away.... Not one weapon of mass destruction found.
Now you better learn the difference between announcing something named a "gulfwar" and actually declaring war on a country.
Declaration of war comes with the US rules of war. One of those rules is "win as fast as possible then go home". This war rule is specially created for the war exploitant who always hate to see a good war leave the stage. We specially have those rules for this purpose.
Just like the German soldiers the US soldiers get brainwashed to make them extra aggressive.
911 was a crucial ingredient in recruitment.
You know this perfectly well.
99% of the soldiers who signed up thought 911 had something to do with Iraq.
Officially there is no connection.
People also think Osama Ben laden had something to do with 911. The official FBI statement says he is OFFICIALLY unrelated to the terror propaganda. When also asked about this the OFFICIAL FBI statement in response to the question: "Why is 911 not on Osama's FBI sheet?" was: "Because officially Osama is not related to 911".
So the terror attack was to recruit soldiers for both Afghanistan AND Iraq. Neither one has any link with 911. Not one link, but we do have all the evidence we need to show it's an inside job.
There was another important use for 911.
It was to test how far the imagination of the American citizen can be pushed.
This is why it's so important for you to pull your head out of your ass.
It's the oldest trick in the book.
In case you are not 100% retarded you know President Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. It was to get the civilians ready for war.
You can see your fellow patriots applaud each others ignorance while they cheer deleting such awful history from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
You can see your fellow patriots applaud each others ignorance while they make up the answer to the question:
"Did Prescott Bush agree to a Nazi coupe to overthrow Herbert Hoover?"http://answers.yahoo.com/answers2/frontend.php/question?qid=20071129142402AA3ibEL
They actually think they get to vote on what happened in history. That's how retarded the peeps on that page are.
pull the facts from your ass?
It's like I tell you:
There are FEMA concentration camps to lock up insane numbers of people.
And you pull the facts from your ass and say:
"nah, that's not possible. I'm god, I would know this.
Cant we just slander everyone who wants to know the truth?"
What if you hear it from the mouth of a Bush?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110
Are you now going to make up pathetic excuses?
"no no he was trying to say this and that..."
Or
"This is only a movie, he doesn't really say this it must be fake!!"
It doesn't add up with all the previous Fascist art.
Here is what happens if you ask about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4506208999326025108
Maybe you can wake up now??
Or are you here to post disinformation?
It sure looks that way.
Quote from: gaby de wilde on December 02, 2007, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 02, 2007, 07:28:14 PM
"But I take it you are incapable of constructing a scenario where staging 9/11 would be the optimal move?"
The village idiot will take your offer.
I don't have to construct anything tho. Adolf Hitler did all the work already.
The Reichstag fire was a pivotal event in the establishment of Nazi Germany. The fire was used as evidence that the
Communists were beginning a plot against the German government.
The day after the fire, Hitler asked for and received from President Hindenburg the Reichstag Fire Decree, signed into law by
Hindenburg using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany.
Like the patriot act after 911.
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from
their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered
files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of
Nazism. His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy
Act.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
Prescott Bush led Nazi / Whitehouse Coup in 1933 The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help
of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of
Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush?s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the
policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
On 11 September 1990 Bush senior announces the Gulf war.
A million civilians as in woman children and old people blown away.... Not one weapon of mass destruction found.
Now you better learn the difference between announcing something named a "gulfwar" and actually declaring war on a country.
Declaration of war comes with the US rules of war. One of those rules is "win as fast as possible then go home". This war rule is
specially created for the war exploitant who always hate to see a good war leave the stage. We specially have those rules for this
purpose.
Just like the German soldiers the US soldiers get brainwashed to make them extra aggressive.
911 was a crucial ingredient in recruitment.
You know this perfectly well.
99% of the soldiers who signed up thought 911 had something to do with Iraq.
Officially there is no connection.
People also think Osama Ben laden had something to do with 911. The official FBI statement says he is OFFICIALLY unrelated
to the terror propaganda. When also asked about this the OFFICIAL FBI statement in response to the question: "Why is 911 not
on Osama's FBI sheet?" was: "Because officially Osama is not related to 911".
So the terror attack was to recruit soldiers for both Afghanistan AND Iraq. Neither one has any link with 911. Not one link, but
we do have all the evidence we need to show it's an inside job.
There was another important use for 911.
It was to test how far the imagination of the American citizen can be pushed.
This is why it's so important for you to pull your head out of your ass.
It's the oldest trick in the book.
In case you are not 100% retarded you know President Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. It was to get the civilians
ready for war.
You can see your fellow patriots applaud each others ignorance while they cheer deleting such awful history from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
You can see your fellow patriots applaud each others ignorance while they make up the answer to the question: "Did Prescott
Bush agree to a Nazi coupe to overthrow Herbert Hoover?"
http://answers.yahoo.com/answers2/frontend.php/question?qid=20071129142402AA3ibEL
They actually think they get to vote on what happened in history. That's how retarded the peeps on that page are.
pull the facts from your ass?
It's like I tell you:
There are FEMA concentration camps to lock up insane numbers of people.
And you pull the facts from your ass and say:
"nah, that's not possible. I'm god, I would know this.
Cant we just slander everyone who wants to know the truth?"
What if you hear it from the mouth of a Bush?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110
Are you now going to make up pathetic excuses?
"no no he was trying to say this and that..."
Or
"This is only a movie, he doesn't really say this it must be fake!!"
It doesn't add up with all the previous Fascist art.
Here is what happens if you ask about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4506208999326025108
Maybe you can wake up now??
Or are you here to post disinformation?
It sure looks that way.
Well put together post. Much of the time, some people get confused at what some one is trying to convey because of a lack of
emotional connection. The only way to get your point across is to do exactly as you did. It's sad a post of mine that I posted a
very long time ago got ignored. I think I will repeat it, as it needs to be responded to.
"Seriously; why waste all the effort on trying to ridicule all the truthers? If you believe it's not the truth, then why waste time trying to stop an opinnion? ???"
the WHY is very simple!
look at http://www.newamericancentury.org/ everything is clearly stated there!
and look at who signed 'the statement of principles'.
somewhere in a PDF text is mentioned : "we need another Pearl Harbour"
knowing that Pr. Roosevelt and chiefs of staff were 100% informed that Pearl Harbour was going to be attacked,
but just let it happen so the US would be involved then in the war....they made sure all aircraft carriers and new ships were far away from there.
this is now official public information! but who cares now....
A high ranked official in the Australian Government admitted openly in July that the war in Iraq was all about oil.
Most presidents of the US are or have all been members of a secret organisation 'SKULL AND BONES'.
some high ranked Nazi SS'ers where also member; the skull&bones insignia was on their military hats.
even John Kerry (cousin of Bush) is a member !
a powerful group behind the scenes, called 'ILLUMINATA', are controlling most of the world, and it is their intention to
strengthen their grasp.
dig further and you'll find even more...
Eden
This picture below, of a military base in California constructed in the shape of a swastika underscores the fact that both sides of the Bush family were financial backers of the Nazi's.
http://jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/uploaded_images/Barracks-747212.jpg
Now that the cat is out of the bag...its being spun as a drafting error, a snafu, and other patronizing excuses.
How long after you draw a swastika before you notice that what you have drawn is a swastika...given that you know what one looks like of course - and who doesn't?
They are all one cats kittens - and it seems we wood be the mice.
Regards...
QuoteThey are all one cats kittens - and it seems we wood be the mice.
Nah, Bush thinks you are all his minions. But in reality I am the supreme ruler, it's just that I never give you any orders so you don't notice it.
Only 982 320 votes still?
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
Gives me the feeling you think 1 vote is enough per person? You should at least get 5 or something? Could do before the end of the year? Start explaining the truth to those "support the troops" people and DO try be careful not to piss them off. It would be a rather upsetting thing to learn don't you think? My explanation to shrugged atlas was defiantly not as kosher as I would like to see it. But we should at least try to stop the growth of the lie.
Bush is just an effigy, of sorts...and a rather out of sort one at that, I wood add.
The real problem is higher.
Voting under present conditions is the ultimate betrayal of self.
Regards
There is a debate about whether explosives or DEW were used to bring down the two towers.
Both are correct.
Thermite explosives were used to weaken the steel cores, while a DEW was used to bring it down. Watch part 2 of http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ and there is an interview with a firefighter who claimed he could not find any telephone handsets in the debris, only one piece of a keypad.
Think about it for a moment, every second desk for the 20,000 employees would have a phone.
The reason why nothing was found in the wreckage was because it had all disintegrated into dust.
A space borne DEW? This is the real reason there was molten steel in the ground even a month after 9/11. Not caused by the thermite but by the power of the DEW.
Also it looks like a small scale nuclear device was detonated in the each of the tops of the twin towers to create a big puff of cloud and debris that camouflaged the way the buildings collapsed.
If this camo effect was not done there would be too many questions about how the buildings came down so perfectly. Look at WTC 7 and all the trouble that one has caused the establishment - why they can not even talk about it in the media.
Or, using Bush line of logic, "they hate us because of our freedoms"...the collapse of building 7 would have to be attributed to the 'bowling effect'...where that extra pin falls seemingly all by itself.
The mere fact that Bush could offer up such a ridiculous concept as justification for the 911 "attack" shows that clearly just how easily the masses can be manipulated into accepting disconnected reasoning as logic.
No matter how we got here or how slowly the journey...collectively, we have been conditioned to accept the fastest or most convenient answer as fact.
This cycle of passive aggressive oppression renews itself usually every 4 years when the masses line up at the voting booth - to submit their free will to individuals who provide only evasive answers to questions.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 08, 2007, 09:20:53 AM
Or, using Bush line of logic, "they hate us because of our freedoms"...the collapse of building 7 would have to be attributed to the 'bowling effect'...where that extra pin falls seemingly all by itself.
The mere fact that Bush could offer up such a ridiculous concept as justification for the 911 "attack" shows that clearly just how easily the masses can be manipulated into accepting disconnected reasoning as logic.
No matter how we got here or how slowly the journey...collectively, we have been conditioned to accept the fastest or most convenient answer as fact.
This cycle of passive aggressive oppression renews itself usually every 4 years when the masses line up at the voting booth - to submit their free will to individuals who provide only evasive answers to questions.
Regards...
Ron Paul doesn't entirely talk about 9/11 in the open, but i've heard him talk about how disconnected the reasons for 9/11 were. The only other reason for 9/11 that involves terrorists would be the gulf war, but even that screams overkill in my opinnion. It's not even like the gulf war included "TERRORISM!". Now terrorists in Iraq? Sad truth is 50% of the people I ask say that Iraq is about terrorism. Seriously; the first and only point was about chemical weapons, and those don't exist anymore. WTF? I'm not going to go into more detail about that though. But don't you think it sounds dumb to equate the Iraq invasion with terrorism? :'(
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on December 08, 2007, 12:46:50 PM
But don't you think it sounds dumb to equate the Iraq invasion with terrorism? :'(
I think it is dumb to say that the iraq invasion has something to do with humanity, peace,
protection of the civil society or democracy.
If you conquer another country - but never get enough support from the people there to
establish a solid new society, keep on going killing thousands of people there for lots
of years, provoking terrorism and maintaining civil war inside the country -how would
you call that ? Brave quest for oil and influence in the middle east ?
CIA maintained special "private" prisons in eastern europe for "foreign fighters" ...
What would you think if some other nation - lets say the germans building
up their "private" prisons in the states for let?s say their "french" foreign fighters
in germany ???
Or what about a chinese prison in taiwan for foreign fighters from the u.s. -
without any law and status ?
Oh god - what a strange movie.
At the risk of dating myself (and going blind ;D) I remember back to the days when 'terrorists' were called 'rebels' or 'insurgents'.
Its all about maintaining a perpetual state of global war and conflict fueled by religion - else people would start to catch on...ergo public hangings of leaders and lawyers.
At this point the only way out I can see, is the open sourced release of free energy - leading to freedom and total independence for all.
Regards...
For the powers that be there is much more wealth in a perpetual state of conflict than in peace. Even free energy is not going to change this, they will simply find a way of monopolising it and charging for it.
Here in Australia they will even tell you now how much rainwater you can collect on your own land and charge accordingly.
Point made.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 08, 2007, 05:25:38 PM
At the risk of dating myself (and going blind ;D) I remember back to the days when 'terrorists' were called 'rebels' or 'insurgents'.
You've forgotten the "freedom fighters", back in the days when they served the CIA... :D
That is very disturbing news Hans
I had no idea things were that serious down under - that scenario you describe is almost to unbelievable to imagine.
The people have given in when a law like that stands.
You are correct amigo - how could I have forgotten the 'freedom fighter'?
Its entirely possible I may have been too busy chasing wimmen during that era - causing me to omit them from my historical reference...altho I do have a rather vivid visual of Fawn Hall clear in my mind
That was for me, back in my relative blissful innocence daze.
Regards...
Quote from: hansvonlieven on December 08, 2007, 05:41:23 PM
For the powers that be there is much more wealth in a perpetual state of conflict than in peace. Even free energy is not going to change this.
The powers that be depend fully on your giving up. The moment you give up on giving up you will see you can tell the truth to as much people as you like. You can reach a hundred people per day. The powers that be depend
one hundred percent on you not doing this.
Advertising the hopelessness of the situation would have the exact opposite effect. You would be actively spreading the very lie you are talking about.
But if we can manage to teach the truth fast enough they need to make just one weird move and they have a billion people on their throat.
If we learn the truth slowly they will send us to war again. chem trails etc, they can kill us if we are ignorant enough. They have the technological means to turn us into obedient servants at their disposal. There wont be any complaining afterwards.
But if things look like we would take action they will think twice before moving in.
We need a critical mass, it's not like you really have to do anything. We come in such large numbers it would be better if you would do something but not overreact at it. Most people don't think about stuff like this. They would appreciate a ready made view. :D
Watch thes video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ySSJ_L6Zs MEDIA CONTROLLED 911 Messages
all 8 TV Chanels read Exactly the same TEXT (for the "live" NEWS in TV"
How is this possibel ?- Media was "involved!? . In Front of the "catastrophe ?? (must be !)
The 2. plaine.. was it only to see in TV ??
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone
of any significance in the major media."
William Colby, former CIA director.
What for ? ?
Public Relations ? ?
Operation Iraqi Liberation ... O..I..L
How much more do we need to know? They are so advertising it to us and we just miss it. The war was about OIL not anything else.
have a look on google videos for MIKE RUPPERT for another intresting opinion of 9/11
IMHO by far and away the best researched and presented lectures are by Webster Tarpley
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2699841318334319800&q=webster+tarpley&total=348&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2699841318334319800&q=webster+tarpley&total=348&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)
For 40 years he has been studying 'State Sponsored False Flag Terrorism'
A well used Political tool.
I personally think the "hundredth monkey" is starting to get up to speed on the issue.
Big change is coming. ;)
Greed is yesterdays Ideal
personaly ill never understand why bush and his goons have been free for the last 7 years....and i also cant help think that once there gone there will simple be another set of crooks to take there places and a new cycle of bullshit will happen over and over and over.
....for me there is two ways to do somthing , 1, the right way, 2,the wrong way, id like to see government do whats right and just and open and above bored, and if they cant, jail for life. its that simple, no secrets no bullshit.
First - a sincere news years wish of good fortune to all here at overunity.com.
"id like to see government do whats right and just and open and above bored, and if they cant, jail for life. its that simple, no secrets no bullshit."
If those in government and media who participated in 911 are the satanic pedophiles that independent sources publicly say they are, there will be no mea culpa's forthcoming.
By the way - everything I see and hear supports that conclusion, and we are in trouble deep.
Regards...
Also...linked below are the words of 25 former US military Officers who chalenge the official 911 fabrication.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080112_twenty_five_u_s__mil.htm
and i thought it was the incredible hulk...
Quote from: pese on January 15, 2008, 11:39:01 AM
Watch thes video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ySSJ_L6Zs MEDIA CONTROLLED 911 Messages
all 8 TV Chanels read Exactly the same TEXT (for the "live" NEWS in TV"
How is this possibel ?- Media was "involved!? . In Front of the "catastrophe ?? (must be !)
The 2. plaine.. was it only to see in TV ??
Damn, I'd like to have seen this but it has been removed - any other link available???