A cyrstal radio can collect radio waves with no external power needed. Only the power from the radio signal is used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio
Radio Waves are just "electromagnetic radiation" at a certain frequency. When that frequency is raised or lowered, it is no longer classified as radio waves, even though it is still the same force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
This means, a cyrstal radio is a free energy device taping into FREE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION.
Modify the tuning coil of your radio, and you can pick up ALL OTHER ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION including microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiation, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays.
If you can capture radio waves with an antenna and a coil, then you can capture microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiaiton, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, x-rays and gamma rays that same exact way because ALL of those forces are the same thing! The only difference is the frequency.
Teslas free energy reciever was basicly a simple radio. Instead of a speaker, he used a motor!
D.K.S.
Quote from: 0ne on December 19, 2007, 06:23:49 PM
If you can capture radio waves with an antenna and a coil, then you can capture microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiaiton, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, x-rays and gamma rays that same exact way because ALL of those forces are the same thing! The only difference is the frequency.
I was thinking the same thing earlier this week. Do you have any ideas about this special antenna; size, shape, material(s)?
Also, what changes would need to be made to the basic radio circuit to accept this broad band of frequencies, all at the same time?
EDIT: I just did a google image search on, "multi frequency antenna," and got 188 hits.
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The size of an antenna is proportional to it's wavelength. Ultra long waves needs very large antennas while shorter waves needs smaller antennas. The shorter waves in use these days, if I'm not mistaken, are high definition radar, in the order of 1 cm... You can always try to build very tiny antennas for the far infrared but I doubt you can do something useful since no diodes can't operate at their frequencies. :(
To get energy from visible light I suggest solar cells. Simple and easy, and more effective than before, thanks to technological advances.
X-rays and cosmic rays are powerful, yes, but they aren't very powerful on earth. Luckily, since they are a health hazard... No way to get usable enery from these AFAIK.
A.A.
If I were you, I would be more focused on the tuning coil, not the antenna, because the coil is basicly the antenna. Although, soft iron is a good metal to use for an antenna. Soft iron loves magnetic force. For best results, at night, point the antenna exactly precisely at the North star. Did you know that radio stations are weaker in the day time, compared to night? The Sun disrupts things.
Quote from: 0ne on December 19, 2007, 08:16:05 PM
...I would be more focused on the tuning coil,...
You mean, "
detuning coil," in this case, no?
Well I hate to say this, but radio waves are not free energy. Thay need to be sent out over the air by a powerfull transmitter.
Later,,,,,,JackH
The Earth, and the Sun and the Stars are "radio" transmitters.
As an energy capture device, this sort of thing is known as a "rectenna" (googlable). There is, unfortunately, no type of rectenna that works for all frequencies, because many features of antenna design are somewhat frequency-specific.
The most common use is for microwave power transmission.
Cheers,
Mr. Entropy
@ Rosphere and All
Correct me if I'm wrong but, The crystals in the earphone for the crystal radio probably work well for the wavelength range a crystal radio covers or can tune in. So the next question arises in my head.... what determines or receptivity in those crystals... is it size, shape, moculear resonate freq ? If we could find the math to determine what size shape ect crystaline structure would be optimal for say the sun or a number of other sources of radiant energy around us. It may be possible for those sources to vibrate crystals designed made whatever to be affected by the wavelength span we'd like to receive
Joe
I believe a crystal is matched to a frequency by finding the frequency that created the crystal and vise versa.
@Night life
sometimes less chatter is better.... I was asking if anyone acctually knew how the process worked and what factors went into it.. not that freakin freq created everything.... I have a valid point in saying if we knew what factors and variables affect the receptivity range of a crystal or crystilane substance. So now .. im going to try what you said. I have glass with salt here and im going to sing to it. Constant tone of a 440 and if your right i should have a resonate crystal tuned to a440 in no time. :o
Joe
Your right.
But what about tuning into an atom?
Duality states that matter is a particle and a wave.
Look up electron waves (quantum not phonon).
Here?s some nice photo?s of electron orbitals.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021201193734/http://clasdean.la.asu.edu/news/images/cuprite/
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/ewav.html
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-77520/quantum-mechanics
Or maybe right down to quantum foam? But how could you transfer that energy? And is it possible to ?drain? an elementary particle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle
Or maybe the reverse of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production
Cliff,
Quote from: Crane on December 19, 2007, 08:13:41 PM
The size of an antenna is proportional to it's wavelength. Ultra long waves needs very large antennas while shorter waves needs smaller antennas. The shorter waves in use these days, if I'm not mistaken, are high definition radar, in the order of 1 cm... You can always try to build very tiny antennas for the far infrared but I doubt you can do something useful since no diodes can't operate at their frequencies. :(
To get energy from visible light I suggest solar cells. Simple and easy, and more effective than before, thanks to technological advances.
X-rays and cosmic rays are powerful, yes, but they aren't very powerful on earth. Luckily, since they are a health hazard... No way to get usable enery from these AFAIK.
A.A.
@One
I think you are very right about the Crystal Radio. Funny I had been researching this since a few weeks now and had put some links here and there on the board. Coincidence or drawing from the universal knowledge?
There was an artcile I had found that stated during WWII that they would make rudimentary crystal radios since they could hear broadcasts without using an outside power source. The radio receiver powered the radio.
One of the reasons I had researched this was to see if such a device can be used in a loop with the sound and receiver creating a feedback loop thus feeding on itself.
There are some fantastic web sites on these radios that go way back. Real works of art.
Crystal detectors do not need a power source. You need a fairly good antenna though or they will not work. I built my first crystal detector in the early 50's. the rectifier was a galena crystal that was touched by a thin "whisker" made from very fine silver wire. You had to find a good spot on the crystal. The antenna was 30 m long and was strung between the house and a tree, about 10 m above ground. The headset was a high impedance magnetic headset as they were common around that era. Today you would use a germanium diode instead of a galena crystal
Reception was surprisingly good, especially at night.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: 0ne on December 19, 2007, 06:23:49 PM
A cyrstal radio can collect radio waves with no external power needed. Only the power from the radio signal is used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio
Radio Waves are just "electromagnetic radiation" at a certain frequency. When that frequency is raised or lowered, it is no longer classified as radio waves, even though it is still the same force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
This means, a cyrstal radio is a free energy device taping into FREE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION.
Modify the tuning coil of your radio, and you can pick up ALL OTHER ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION including microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiation, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays.
If you can capture radio waves with an antenna and a coil, then you can capture microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiaiton, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, x-rays and gamma rays that same exact way because ALL of those forces are the same thing! The only difference is the frequency.
Teslas free energy reciever was basicly a simple radio. Instead of a speaker, he used a motor!
D.K.S.
Crystal radio
(detector-receiver IS NOT an FREE ENERGY DEVICE.
You can only receive the signal in the power-straing (on headphone) in this mW or microWatts strengh as the radiation of the station give POWER to you.
I have lived directly below an MW transmitter, the strength was so strong
(near the transmitter that also a small lamp instead of the earphone in time of the modulation burnt.
im 1 km distance , not nor the lamp burning , but receiving very stron , with Shot" antenna.
THESE IS NOT FREE ENGERIE.
It is a "tapped" energy
Pese
It is "stolen energy" , if you use this to drive your lamps , so wat doing the people in BERLIN
(before WW2) under the Deutschandfunk-Long-Wave Station)
Each wat , that go from Antennas to Bulb-Illumiation , will not got
in the air (ocer the word) ! SO it is stolen AND NOT FREE.
My experimiments with crystal setsstart nearby 60 year ago
and the start for my profession.
@JackH
Jes , Right.
The youg people have not work with-it,
So they cant know it.
The older one... :
I belive only one from 500 can explain me
Gustav
Quote from: 0ne on December 19, 2007, 09:01:27 PM
The Earth, and the Sun and the Stars are "radio" transmitters.
Shure , but you cant receive this Radiation (including his power) with this
crystal set receivers !.
Not one of the usual receiving coils can used for earth stars sun radiations.
Als the Rectifier-Diode is als used to transfers mycro to milliwatts (max) to the earphone.
(Usually about 1Volt AC to an 2000 Ohm Earephon-Set.
(Crystac -earphone set , with higher impedances , give better results (higher efficient)
Pese
Let me explain...
You people are not thinking deep enough. The concept of a crystal radio reciever, and how it is working, is what you need to advance on. Then you will have lightning at your finger tips.
I don't exactly use a crystal radio, I use the concept. I also don't even use a crystal, or diode for the "detector". Because that is actually cutting away half the power. My capacitor looks like a U magnet with a keeper and two coils on the sides. One coil to the antenna, the other to coil to the ground. When you find the right resonance, those coils load magnetism into the U loop with a keeper, and it is trapped there for all existance. When you want the power, take the keeper off, and get ready to catch the magnetism that rushes out of the loop and into the nearest coil.
I can't tell you more, or I could be in danger.
Read this though, it will help you.
http://www.midnightscience.com/howxtal.html#Radio%20Wave%20Electricity
@pese
(@one beat me to the punch but here goes anyways.)
Having the utmost respect for your knowledge in such matters would be an understatement. I know you know about this and very very well indeed.
Maybe we are taking what @One has suggested too litterally in the sense that he is not talking about making power with radio waves as per say. He is only giving an example that we can grasp here at this stage.
If you can comprehend the vastness of the solar power required to make all plant life grow on this planet and compute this into a wattage value, it would be tremendous. Now this energy that plants use, we are now using with solar panels. Great. And we have accepted this to be a new fact of our daily lives. The solar panel is an accepted form of receiving energy, dare I say - FOR FREE, although the panels themselves cost money, we know. But there is a new solar panel comming that is simply painted onto a surface. You will paint your house exterior with this and it will produce energy.
So if such forms of energy can be captured, why not other forms?
I mean, deep down inside your gut, do you really believe that what we have today will only be as such forever, and that we will not discover other forms of energy capture that will make the tools we use today simply play things. I am sure you have faith in the future and in new discoveries.
This is the basis we push ourselves otherwise what is the point. Let's all go back home and not worry about the future and just keep doing what we are doing until this Earth decides we are no longer welcome.
No, I am sure there is in your mind some answers, some hope, some effort to see the impossible come true. And the way to do this is by looking at things not in the manner that "it is not possible'", but more in terms of "it would be possible if". It is the IF we want to know about and learn about.
You are of my set Gustav :D
When we were kids, every boy that was into science had three things, a Meccano set (Maerklin in Germany) a chemistry set and a crystal radio (self built, of course with air condenser and Galena crystal) It is a pity one does not see this anymore. I still have a Meccano set which I use for prototyping ideas ;D
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: wattsup on December 20, 2007, 02:43:19 PM
@pese
(@one beat me to the punch but here goes anyways.)
Having the utmost respect for your knowledge in such matters would be an understatement. I know you know about this and very very well indeed.
Maybe we are taking what @One has suggested too litterally in the sense that he is not talking about making power with radio waves as per say. He is only giving an example that we can grasp here at this stage.
If you can comprehend the vastness of the solar power required to make all plant life grow on this planet and compute this into a wattage value, it would be tremendous. Now this energy that plants use, we are now using with solar panels. Great. And we have accepted this to be a new fact of our daily lives. The solar panel is an accepted form of receiving energy, dare I say - FOR FREE, although the panels themselves cost money, we know. But there is a new solar panel comming that is simply painted onto a surface. You will paint your house exterior with this and it will produce energy.
So if such forms of energy can be captured, why not other forms?
I mean, deep down inside your gut, do you really believe that what we have today will only be as such forever, and that we will not discover other forms of energy capture that will make the tools we use today simply play things. I am sure you have faith in the future and in new discoveries.
This is the basis we push ourselves otherwise what is the point. Let's all go back home and not worry about the future and just keep doing what we are doing until this Earth decides we are no longer welcome.
No, I am sure there is in your mind some answers, some hope, some effort to see the impossible come true. And the way to do this is by looking at things not in the manner that "it is not possible'", but more in terms of "it would be possible if". It is the IF we want to know about and learn about.
Shure , an part , is right.
BUT it is not free energy, this comes from transmitters that "consume. Kilowatt and Megawatts, also it an Radio receiver take only mycrowatts
and less - Any energy that is "zapped -free-" was powered out from transmitter
Quote from: hansvonlieven on December 20, 2007, 03:31:06 PM
You are of my set Gustav :D
When we were kids, every boy that was into science had three things, a Meccano set (Maerklin in Germany) a chemistry set and a crystal radio (self built, of course with air condenser and Galena crystal) It is a pity one does not see this anymore. I still have a Meccano set which I use for prototyping ideas ;D
Hans von Lieven
Hans , Yes this was it, also Tube receiver (Kosmos-Radioman=
the tube (RE... Telefinken), from 1930! worked with 12volt anode-voltage.
only) and 4v for the heating
But the Crystal set worked with Bleiglanz or Pyrit , with (i think) an "silver" , spring wire. on an body with bananaplugs down.
you will be happy over the following (german) link . So you can se again this diode , also an "do-it-your-self".
this diode have lower saturation voltage as germanium diode ,an worked higher efficient, BUT complicate do find the "best mechanical point for best
rectifying the LF from the RF out
Gustav
Sagte ich doch Gustav,
Bleiglanz = Galena :D
Uebrigens, stimmt, da musst du den wunden Punkt suchen, deshalb sass die Silberfeder in einem Kugelgelenk
Hans
@ all
So is my idea of finding a crystilane substance or growing one that would vibrate at a frequency possibly that of uv radiation ... or a certian spectrum of light? If this can be done for long wavelengths like pese is talking about why not for the shorter fast ones.. come on folks .I still say that makes the most sense.
Joe
@Joe
You cannot use just any crystal. It has to be a crystal with semiconductor properties.Have a look at this, it will give you an idea how to proceed and what choice you have. http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/super_crystal_detector.htm
This shows a number of detectors and their construction. Essentially they all consist of a crystal holder that clamps the crystal and provides good electrical contact this is connected to the circuit by a plug or wire. You also need another device that holds a fine wire, often wound partly as a spring, that enables you to make electrical contact with a very small area of the crystal. You need to search around for a SWEET SPOT on the crystal for it to work well, so there needs to be a way to move it around. It also must contain some lead to connect it to the circuit. There are several ways of doing this, most are pictured here:
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/super_crystal_detector.htm
Here is one of the pictures. The arm on the left contains the wire or cat whisker as it was called, the cup on the right contains the crystal.
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Have fun
Hans
Hans i guess im more interested in the math or science behind what exactly makes the specific crystal in a crystal radio optimum for that freq spread and what factors define it ...With that knowledge I would possibly pay a company to design ones to specs that would suit our needs or the freq spread i would like it to be reactive to meaning the uv or higher... So i guess thats what im hunting for.
Joe
0ne, that was a good find and I am with you except for a electron being a magnet. A magnet is a substance and one substance can not flow thru another. Frequencies are magnetic in a way but they do not have both poles. It can only have one pole unless it is put in a spinning motion creating a vacuum affect like a common magnetic field does.
@ Hans,
Sorry i just re-read. So im hunting for a crystal/crystaline substance that has semiconductor properties and is affected by the uv light spectrum and higher if possible. I'm Getting a little bit more of a picture now.. :)
Quote from: Localjoe on December 21, 2007, 10:47:35 PM
Hans i guess im more interested in the math or science behind what exactly makes the specific crystal in a crystal radio optimum for that freq spread and what factors define it ...With that knowledge I would possibly pay a company to design ones to specs that would suit our needs or the freq spread i would like it to be reactive to meaning the uv or higher... So i guess thats what im hunting for.
Joe
It doesn't Joe, the frequency is determined by the resonant circuit in front of it, the crystal is just a rectifier that blocks RF and lets LF through.
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The coil and the variable condenser here make up the resonant circuit, the variable condenser allows you to tune to a specific frequency. There are other ways of doing it like with a variable coil but essentially it's as simple as this.
Hans
hansvonlieven, how does it block RF and let LF thru?
Ha i get it now.. man im laughing i knew that stuff but i thought there was some whole science company/ feild behind the production and sale that grew or harvested crystals of a certain variety. Whether it be shape size composition ect. Dam it... I had the whole "scientist with magnifier head thing on " pictured in my head examining these things on a conveyor belt saying Pass FAIL Pass Fail .... hahah Thanks for crushing my delusion... although fun while it lasted I'm happy you set me strait.. :P Did romans wear sandals? I think I'm going to ponder that for the rest of the night. Red team go Red team go surround the perimeter go go go... There is a man wearing sandals in there and it looks like hes growing those energy crystals again .. Get em quick...
Quote from: hansvonlieven on December 21, 2007, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: Localjoe on December 21, 2007, 10:47:35 PM
Hans i guess im more interested in the math or science behind what exactly makes the specific crystal in a crystal radio optimum for that freq spread and what factors define it ...With that knowledge I would possibly pay a company to design ones to specs that would suit our needs or the freq spread i would like it to be reactive to meaning the uv or higher... So i guess thats what im hunting for.
Joe
It doesn't Joe, the frequency is determined by the resonant circuit in front of it, the crystal is just a rectifier that blocks RF and lets LF through.
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The coil and the variable condenser here make up the resonant circuit, the variable condenser allows you to tune to a specific frequency. There are other ways of doing it like with a variable coil but essentially it's as simple as this.
Hans
Alright now im confused .. lf is low freq mf is medium and hf is high freq .. doesent rf encoumpas at least one or two of those bands>?
I can't think of how it can attract one and not the other unless it is created by one and not the other.
Quote from: nightlife on December 21, 2007, 11:27:02 PM
hansvonlieven, how does it block RF and let LF thru?
a galena crystal is a semiconductor or diode. It lets electricity flow only in one direction, so therefore blocks AC. RF is AC. The superimposed signal that is left is a DC component which passes through, hence the separation.
This is a rough and ready explanation but close enough to the mark.
Hans
@ Joe, think of the LF signal in terms of pulsed DC rather than AC
hansvonlieven, well it sounds like we now have a filter we can use, are there any more like this?
What do you want to filter?
Hans
hansvonlieven, I am assuming that it filters all the bs out if it only leaves electricity behind. It must act like a cleaning solution that just cleans out the bs from the frequency. If that crystal does what you said, then why haven't you utilized it yet? Or are you just messing with me?
Are you telling me you want to filter all oscillations out of some electric current?
If yes you need a full wave rectifier, a Galena crystal is only useful for very small currents.
Tell me exactly what you want to do with what.
Hans von Lieven
I saw device like that once on the net, but I don't remember where.
Talking dont't help. Do something.
.
Hello , i hope i can help , with simple unprofessional words better than complicated "sounds" around this. /My Father have had an radiorepairshop , and i (7 years old) was learning by asking.
So it was very simple to learn (60 Years are gone now)
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AC is an changing current that change the polarity from positiv to negativ , cross the Zero(volt) , and go again to positiv . tge dioode , rectifier , semiconductor is like an valve than conduct in one direction (as an closed switch)
and in other direction its like an open switch.
- Only one polarity will PASS the Diode ! -
(This is valid for any AC like Radio- Audio-or line-frequencies)
SO NOW, YOU HAVE UNDERSTAND the diode.
On the output from diode you have an "pulsed DC ,
that say: the DC is not proper and swap (like the input frequency, from Zero to the peak Voltage of the High-frequeny (RF) or the
Audio Frequency (AF) or even to the Line frequency 50 or 60 Hz = cps (cycles per second - that was used in US )
You will ONLY have an "proper" DC , IF YOU used an capacitor
connected from this output to ground.
(in Low Frequeny Application USE: MIKOFARADS range in RF (radiofrequeny) in Pico-farads.
OK - NOW YOU WILL USE an crystal (diode) Receiver to rectify the power (or Messages) from an AM Radio-Transmitter.
(Exampel: 1000Khz = 1 Mega-Hertz)
Antenna Coil will calibrate with (variable) condensor so
that its are in HARMONICS with the transmitter station , so
the L-C will have the maximum Voltage (high resistance) that
can have (only) an few microwatts.
But with the 1000Khz (1Mhz)you can do nothing. BUT after
recifying this . It have DC (positive Voltage)
-or negativ by turning the diode in against direction-
-you can mesure it, if it used 1000pf Condensor (as output) ,
so you have an proper DC. - use this-in receiver- to have an better signal in any way!!!!
BUT this condensor it is SO small , that it will only
make an proper DC for the RF Signal .
The AUDIO Signal-from radio-station- that contains musik or Speach, will pass this condensor (with nears NO LOSSES) , and you can receive on 2 Kilo-Ohm earephone the AUDIO (Low Frequency modulation of the Signals) ,
also to an crystal/piezo Earephon), to an old crystal microphon (made from: Seignette-salt and aluminium-foil) also to als aoutput transoforner from an old tube receiver ( have 3-4 kohn to 8 ohm
for loudspeakers - will not be louder !)
If You use insted the 1000pf for example 1000mf (uF) you will
hear nothing , Why?
The strong capacitor will also short the low frequencies !
(and make an Proper DC from the audio-signal)
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Why the diode make not "disortion" to the audio frequency ?
BECAUSE the RF Signal from AM-Transitter is AMPLITUDE modulated !!
that say : The DC that you have after the Diode, have
an DC Voltage (positiv) and THIS DC is only fixed . It transmitter have NO AUDIO SIGNAL !!
If MUSIK (it wil be OVERLAYED , than THIS DC swap from ZERO to the dubble Voltage. (Because the Transmitter will change his output power,
now from (near) ZERO to the 2 times power. (Amplitude Modulation)
So the DC that make your crystal set will overlayed with
AUDIO Signal , that make an AUDIO frequency , that can used for earephone , also to use for amplifiers (sound-card)
I ONE wil change this in an better english , and send it to me.
I will change this thread (if need to understand)
Some people that have an better spelling, i hope to understand now better understanding the electronic
Pese
so, what happened to One?
Last thing he posted sounded like he actually has some device capturing energy from the environment...
Something about a large U-shaped capacitor with a "keeper" on it, and one coil on either side of the U, one connected
to an antenna and another to the ground... And when he removed the "keeper" (what the bleep is a keeper?) he could take
the stored charge directly off that U-cap.
Or at least, that's what I understood from his post.
He clearly indicated that the crystal detector circuit was only meant as indicator, that he was not actually using an eact old
fashioned radio circuit using a piece of physical crystal for detection and filter and running high ohmic headphones to hear the
output signal... (btw, thanks for that little anecdote on crystal radios Pese, and indeed it's all about the AM nature of the signal)
He was just talking about the principle of the thing: we selectively isolate one specific frequency, in this case that of the radio station we wish to hear,
and we collect all other em fluctuations to drive the rest of the circuit, including amplification of our desired signal.
Now he also mentioned not to focus so much on the antenna since the coil could be used for that, which reminds me of the stories of
an old army radio engineer who often mentioned the tricks they used to pull with coils used as antennas... There was some formula which showed how a coil could be used as an antenna of almost the same length as the total length of the coils wire, and then there were different coil shapes that had different effects too:
a conical shaped antenna or coil would have quasi-omnidirectional effects, while other shapes had clear single direction or single plane effects... It's been a long time since I last spoke with the guy, will see if I can dig up those stories again.
The problem I have with the idea as far as I understand what is described, is that even assuming we have proper coils and antennae to capture all of the incoming em waves, then still the received signal will be a mix of different frequencies... And if we have them interact with our circuitry all at the same time over the same coils, the received energy should also be a rather jittery mix of positive and negative voltages, which would give a significantly lower energy output than we might have gotten when we receive and rectify all those frequencies seperately... Right? (just draw 10 different freq signals in the same diagram and calculate the average value at each point in time, the superposition of the freqs, and you'll see what I mean.)
Now with the use of some diodes and rectifying bridges I can imagine how these possible frequency differences and superpositions as well as the em waves themselves could be handled and rectified to maximise the relative voltage movement in respect to the capacitor; but since One does not mention these, I do wonder how he proposes to go about this...
0ne, will you please post some more on your U-capacitor idea?? I'd like to hear how it's working out... Is it still running? How much output do you get?
Are you willing to tell me exactly what you've constructed there? I might want to replicate...
Crystal atoms are in a Mexican stand-off so to speak. The neuclei of the atoms don't roll to align with the magnetic field change of the imposed wave but move linearly. This causes mechanical vibration of the crystal. The vibration of the crystal is also felt by the electron field. The vibration can shake-off an electron from it's atomic orbital and generate a current. If the mechanical properties of the crystal are such that it gives rise to a resonating vibration at a given frequency you get preferential reception. It is a very inefficient means of generating an electrical current. Perhaps if the crystal collector was mechanically attached to a magnetic field propogator within whose field lies a conductor there could be electrical current generated in the conductor directly from vibration of the crystal.
@Koen1
I think one was talking about storing the energy in a magnetic circuit. By removing the magnetic "keeper" the magnetic field collapses and you get the input energy that made it back out.
G'day all,
I think what One is talking about is the integration of what Ed Leedskalnin called his "perpetual motion holder" into some sort of a circuit.
Hans von Lieven
Radio Towers transmit in the Megawatt range. No free energy here. Every piece of wire on the planet picks up radio waves. If you could use a similar device to pick up natural signals, and make it do work, then we'd have something to talk about.
Actually Gnostic you can do this now.
If you string an antenna in the middle of the Simpson Desert or on an isolated island in the Pacific for instance, you will not get a radio signal in a detector circuit.
You don't get silence either. You will get static though. That static is enough to energise the high impedance magnets in an old fashioned set of headphones.
Hans von Lieven
@One
how much energy do you suppose this device could "harvest"?
As far as free energy is concerned from radio sources the nearest source is the sun but Tesla referred to the earth as nothing more than a large capacitor so maybe there is a frequency that with a certain coil will transmit energy?Is it the space between the earth and the ionosphere or that of the earth and the magnetosphere or the sun?
Telsa could have gotten free energy from the ionosphere but he realized that our Alpha brain waves are at 6-8 herzts and the ionosphere resonates at the same frequency, which i guess could be used for mind control or worse..
i think it's called scalar waves....
what are you talking about?
So you think "scalar waves" are normal em waves at a frequency between 6 to 8 hertz, which correspond with both our alpha brain waves and the resonant frequency of the ionosphere?
Are you kidding?
First of all, wouldn't that mean there's a direct resonant coupling between our alpha waves and the ionosphere, and would that not fry all our collective brains?
Seems to me it would... Doesn't sound right...
Second, scalar waves are fundamentally different, they are not at all normal em waves. Just to indicate one of the differences: em waves cannot penetrate a faraday cage. Scalar "em" waves can.
Quote from: Koen1 on February 04, 2008, 06:30:40 AM
. . . and would that not fry all our collective brains?
. . .
small fry.
:)
The Schuman cavity will resonate an 8hz wave. This is a huge wavelength which I believe is the same dimension as the Earth's geoplane circumference. So for the wave to carry any appreciable amount of power you need alot of voltage or charge seperation in the oscillator. Even if you could build an oscillator which was operating at a million volts potential your field gradient would only be 30milliamps per meter, which would be interfered with by all sorts of low potential energy fields.
Now say you build an oscillator that creates a standing wave that has an antinode that reaches the ionosphere and nodes on the ground. Say a 2khz wave at a million volts potential. This creates a field gradient voltage of 5.79 volts per meter. This field isn't going away fast. If this voltage is enough to overcome the dielectric resistance of the field an electrical current will ensue. Like a leader current in a lightning storm. As this current ionizes the air molecules at lower atmospheric densities the dielectric of the field drops and now the ionospheric voltage has a "wire" to discharge it's capacitance down. Now that shit will cook most anything in it's path. Should be quite abit of gain from that field propogation. Mind control? I see a standing lightning bolt I'm thinking get the hell out of there.
"A cyrstal radio can collect radio waves with no external power needed. Only the power from the radio signal is used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio"
>>I read in a mainstream magazine devoted to radio reception and tinkering about 10 years ago that an article in the magazine had the author experimenting with a very long insulated spool of magnet wire.
He went to Central Park in New York City , and after picking out a suitable site, strung out the wire straight on the ground.
He estimated the length of the wire, running generally northwest on his map of the Park, at 1,900 feet.(about 576m) Then he wired a hign value resistor, about 1 megohm, between the end of the wire of and the antenna of his transistor radio receiver. (He wanted his radio to not "fry" from the high voltage.)
At night, the ionosphere can let one pick up signals further away than during the day. He tuned in stations in from the British Isles and Western Europe, since that was the way he aimed his antenna from New York.
"Handle With Care" is a good way to put it. If you search for "electret" on Overunity, you'll see why. The radio listener was using small gauge maget wire. If the wire was heavier, the wattage could have been dangerous to lethal.
Otherwise, the experimenter's test findings were accurate, by my past experience with high voltage.
This level of power is something to respect highly, or accidents can happen, as the experienced member of Overunity should know.
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok
This concept has been resurfacing in my mind for many years now...but lacking the technical experience, that is far as its gotten...and I just don't have the time for education right now.
I'm hoping for an inspirational dream short cut at this point.
There is energy coursing through the universe...we just need a properly tuned receiver to capture it.
I seem to recall seeing a photo of Tesla driving a vehicle powered by some electronics housed in the trunk area, with an antenna sticking up.
We just haven't come up with the correct approach to receive this energy in my opinion.
Regards...
Quoted from Cap-Z-ro:
"This concept has been resurfacing in my mind for many years now...and I just don't have the time for education right now.
...There is energy coursing through the universe...we just need a properly tuned receiver to capture it."
>>Other people have said the same thing. Thomas Edison was rumored to has visited a psychic and after the experience, he set about to build a radio to communicate with the dead---and he was said to have achieved success. This particular equipment, if it existed, was later destroyed by person(s) unknown.
To specifically comment, I think you're correct enough that I agree with you.
(There may be competing 'Web blog sites that would be better forums for this subject element, so I'll end this patricular one here.)
"I seem to recall seeing a photo of Tesla driving a vehicle powered by some electronics housed in the trunk area, with an antenna sticking up."
>>I hadn't see that. What he did was at least 100 years ahead of his time, and some things are still unable to be duplicated. If he had such an invention, he may have been the only one to understand it. A lot of what he did was like that. Several free energy pioneers were described to be the only ones who could make their creations work the way they intended, i.e, Hubbard (I believe) and T. Henry Moray (for sure).
"We just haven't come up with the correct approach to receive this energy in my opinion."
>>Well, there is the electret-type of atmospheric power collection system as proposed by Plauson, and the Tesla radiant system---which both do work. Then there's the work by Hieronymous, who has an invention to his credit.
They're something, better than nothing, I suppose. Not to dampen your spirit, however. If you get the inspiration, then follow your hunch, by all available means.
--Lee
hieronymous richter? or thomas hieronymous? im assuming thomas due to context, but i wanted to make sure.
Actually, most of Moray's work is understood and has been (partially) replicated.
There is no real mystery to that anymore, it was also not over unity, it was
RF stimulated radioactive decay that caused his tube circuits to produce more
electrical output than was put in. The radioactive material was not counted as input.
As for the Tesla "radiant system", what do you mean? Do you mean his "magnifying
transmitter"? Problem there is that there are several interpretations of that,
all seem plausible, some have been tested, none indicate OU. To state that
it does definately work implies you know exactly how it worked and that it
is proven in an experimental setup... If so, can you please provide some evidence
or links to it?
Oh, and Thomas Edison? Come on, everybody knows Edison wasn't really an inventor,
he had people working in the lab he owned to devvelop devices he could sell. He was
the managing director and owner of his electrical exploitation company, the R&D work
wasn't done by him. It was done by people like Tesla, actual hands-on inventors and
electrical engineers. Edison then made his money from the devices these people developed.
Seem highly unlikely that Edison would have set out to design and build a radio by himself,
even one to communicate with spirits. ;)
Regards,
Koen
Quoted from: WilbyInebriated:
"hieronymous richter? or thomas hieronymous? im assuming thomas due to context, but i wanted to make sure."
>>Probably Thomas. He (I believe) went by the name, T. Galen Heironymous. The one who invented plant and animal diagnostics, which amount to Radionics, per se.
Now that I think of it, Heironymous' works, assuming it's about equal to Radionics, isn't exactly free energy as such, unless it's on a higher level of energy somehow, as some might maintain. Not quite the type of subject for this forum unless the Moderators decide to greate a Forum for the subject?
That would be fine by me, but my interest is in free energy and high voltage electronics.
--Lee
Big_m quote:
" Not to dampen your spirit, however. If you get the inspiration, then follow your hunch, by all available means. "
Not to worry 'M'...if you knew my background you would know that absolutely nothing could ever dampen my spirit.
There's nothing like trial by fire to steel the resolve.
I am going to try some dream techniques soon though...here's hoping I can reach someone with the knowledge I need.
Regards...
You should investigate one very important issue.Every inventor I checked has first built small toy-size device operating in a few watts range or even not so high.Floyd Sweet,Moray,Henderson,Hubbard, Steven Mark - check articles,videos.They HAD a small device first. Cyrstal radio is such very very small device. THEY HAVE LEARNED how to SCALE IT UP !
The key is resonance and the key to resonance is positive feedback.You must know where is "the potential of device", how it can be reused, and "not kill dipole" as Tom Bearden is saying all the time.
For crystal radio is would for example mean : use receiver to generate signal sent to receiver which interference with original signal , with harmonic resonance for example to reinforce it. Then find a negative regulator to prevent runaway situation.
"Not to worry 'M'...if you knew my background you would know that absolutely nothing could ever dampen my spirit.
There's nothing like trial by fire to steel the resolve.
I am going to try some dream techniques soon though...here's hoping I can reach someone with the knowledge I need.
Regards..."
@Cap-Z-o
That's the spirit! Whatever works for you. Good luck!
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok
Quoted from forrest link:
"You should investigate one very important issue.Every inventor I checked has first built small toy-size device operating in a few watts range or even not so high.THEY HAVE LEARNED how to SCALE IT UP !"
>>Very good! I agree 100%. The Boeing SST fell from ambitious politics and greed to some extent. It was overbuilt and failed.
"The key is resonance and the key to resonance is positive feedback.You must know where is "the potential of device", how it can be reused, and "not kill dipole" as Tom Bearden is saying all the time."
>>Sorry, I'm not familiar with Bearden's work. I might check into it, though.
"For crystal radio is would for example mean : use receiver to generate signal sent to receiver which interference with original signal , with harmonic resonance for example to reinforce it. Then find a negative regulator to prevent runaway situation."
>>Good. I think I grasp what you're trying to say. Radio receivers are tuned to discrimminate the transmitted signal out of the entire spectrum of radiant energy and amplify that so as to be understood as an intelligent message, right?
--Lee
I know nothing about crystal radio, I just know or rather feel how to do it. Take for example two crystal radios each with its own tiny transmitter powered only by original signal converted by crystal to current.That has to be two original signals but such signals may be very weak indeed.
Those two signals should have different frequency.Now you need to make a "ping pong" : one crystal radio is receiving first signal and generate slightly changed in phase signal two. That changed in phase signal interference with original signal two and reinforce it a bit. Crystal radio two is receiving that reinforced signal and generate changed in phase signal one. Thus converted currents rise and soon destroy one or both crystal radios or transmitters.
Rouge idea...
But you would not want a modulated signal. In a crystal radio, that is what you receive is
a modulated signal and it is converted to sound waves to hear. A marker beacon would serve
you better. A good one everywhere is 60hz. Oh, but lets filter that one out. ::) Or get sued
for trying to use it. Would be a good one to test with tho and get a feel for what you can do.
thaelin
If you want to try and tap the aether/zpe field with crystals, you would need some sort of tuning circuit which can tune well above and beyond the gamma ray frequency range.
Here is an idea: ZPM or zero point module taken from Stargate Atlantis. It's a brilliant idea.
"Zero Point Modules are so named because they use zero point energy. Zero point energy is present in all quantum mechanical systems (i.e. everything that uses energy and converts it to entropy). Zero point energy is the lowest amount of energy that such a quantum mechanical system can have. It is also commonly referred to as vacuum energy and remains when all matter is removed from a region of space. Since by definition zero point energy can never be depleted (a region of space can never have less than that amount), it is theoretically an unlimited and free energy source.
The energy is said to arise from various particles that spontaneously emerge, exist for fractions of a second, and are then annihilated by anti-particles. At very small distances (~10-35 meters) this particle/anti-particle turbulence is known as quantum foam, and it is theorized to be a remnant of the birth of the universe carried over to this day. (Also partially explained in the hypothesis is that not all matter in the universe is evenly distributed). This variation in energy is somewhat analogous to observing common objects under very small scales. For example, ordinary glass under extreme magnification is porous. Marbles, if expanded to the size of the earth, would have more variation in radius than the Earth does (including the Himalayas and Death Valley).
Despite the two particles annihilating each other, a small amount of energy is detectable (demonstrated by the Casimir effect). Because of the immensely small scales of time and size, as well as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the existence and subsequent annihilation of these particles does not violate the conservation of energy. The individual particles are thought to be generated perhaps by photons interacting with the space.
As built by the Ancients, a ZPM is a container of a large region of vacuum subspace instead of normal space, so that its size is manageable. The ZPM draws power from the zero point energy, a tiny amount from each small bit of the enclosed subspace that adds up to unimaginable power in total. Theoretically the ZPM should never become depleted, but since all mechanical devices have imperfections, it is likely there is a miniscule amount of loss in the system that eventually leads to the last of the energy leaving the ZPM. There is also the issue of entropy eventually winding the system down, but our understanding of physics does not extend to such large-scale thermodynamics. "
"A ZPM is shaped like a rough cylinder, perhaps twelve to eighteen inches in length, and six to eight inches diameter. They are made of a yellow/orange crystalline material, with black etchings of some unknown material. The crystalline nature of a ZPM is similar to other forms of Ancient technology, but is a likely nod to the third law of thermodynamics (entropy of a system approaches a minimum value or zero in case of a perfect crystalline substance). To use an analogy, it may be similar to making electrical wiring out of silver or gold, as the materials are better conductors of electricity, than the cheaper and more commonly used copper. Small sections of the crystalline material are tinted red and green, but do not appear to be separate pieces of the ZPM, as by visual inspection it appears to be a single solid crystal.
The crystalline nature of the ZPM is perhaps indicative of other Ancient technology, or perhaps to the third law of thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of a system approaches a minimum value or zero in the case of a perfect crystalline substance. There is also what appear to be small shapes within the ZPM, but the precise shape or purpose of them is unknown. To get a sense of scale of the power generation provided by ZPMs, the following is known: one square centimeter of the space that is artificially contained within a ZPM (if the assumption made that the artificial space is identical to "normal" space), contains enough energy to boil all the world's oceans."
"A Zero Point Module, abbreviated ZPM, is a fictional power device in the Stargate universe capable of generating immense amounts of energy utilizing zero point energy which derives from a phenomenon known as the quantum foam (subatomic wormholes opening and closing constantly in and out of subspace). The ZPM contains an artificially created region of spacetime from which this power is drawn. As ZPMs work off a thermodynamically irreversible process, every ZPM (if used) will eventually reach maximum entropy, at which point it is depleted and can no longer provide power. The amount of energy generated by three ZPMs is sufficient to power an energy shield over a city the size of Manhattan for 10,000 years, as well as for interstellar travel. "
i was building one of those (ZPM), i stopped due to technical difficulties in obtaining a large region of vacuum subspace and built a naquadah generator instead.
It seems to me the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is total bull, i mean really particles popping in and out of existance-might as well say "just because"-terrible explanation-
how does a car work, put the gas in and drive, simple see-bull
i need more than that.... where are they popping from is what i want to know?? another dimension?, are they being randomly created by the interference of several waves, does a subatomic amoeba shit them out?
I'm uncertain about the Uncertainty Principle ha...... ???
also what exactly causes the casmir effect, from what i understand its some sort of cosmic pressure?
and, are there not more forces at work? what about the Strong force and the Weak force? do they work like gravity or electromagnetic forces?
just curious
peace
Hi all.
Here is my crystal radio.
These radio's are great for learning.
I started off getting around 1 volt...but in the clip I have 5 volts out.
Only tinkering with the circuit will let you advance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphmPrDGUjQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphmPrDGUjQ)
Scotty.
BTW...I get 6 volts now ;D
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on April 04, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
It seems to me the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is total bull, i mean really particles popping in and out of existance-might as well say "just because"-terrible explanation-
That is not the Uncertainty principle, that is the basic assumption of the Dirac sea.
The Uncertainty principle states we cannot measure a particles exact position and at the same time its exact momentum,
because the act of measuring the one affects the other. If you try to measure the exact location of a ping pong ball by
throwing a football against it, the ping pong ball will have a certain velocity imparted onto it by the football, and it
did not have that velocity originally, so your act of measuring the position has affected the velocity. That's basically
what the HUP says, but then with quantum particles and not with footballs. ;)
Quotehow does a car work, put the gas in and drive, simple see-bull
Ah yes, that is clearly irrefutible evidence of the uncertainty principle being untrue.
So cars run on gas, ergo the uncertainty principle which you confused with the principle of the Dirac sea is incorrect.
Sorry bud, but that kind of logic does not fly.
Quotei need more than that.... where are they popping from is what i want to know?? another dimension?, are they being randomly created by the interference of several waves, does a subatomic amoeba shit them out?
LOL yeah sure ;D
I would advise you to read up on the Dirac sea.
You seem to be totally confused, you seem to have a problem with the concept of the Dirac sea itself,
and you understand too little of it to even call it by the right name and keep yapping about the uncertainty principle,
which is not what you are complaining about at all.
Get your facts and terminology straight before you start shouting that something is bullshit.
QuoteI'm uncertain about the Uncertainty Principle ha...... ???
No, you are totally off and aren't talking
about the uncertainty principle at all.
Your problem is with the Dirac sea. Study the concept, a lot will become clear. Or at least, I hope.
Quotealso what exactly causes the casmir effect, from what i understand its some sort of cosmic pressure?
Yes, in a way that's right. Some sort of "pressure". Dirac sea virtual particle pressure, and general em and particle
pressure differences. Sort of. ;)
Quoteand, are there not more forces at work? what about the Strong force and the Weak force? do they work like gravity or electromagnetic forces?
LOL fundamental questions, presented as simple ones. :) This is one of the reasons for the LHC's quest for the Higgs boson: that might finally account
for the phenomenon we call mass. Or it might not.
There is no consensus view of what exactly the link is between gravity and em. There are several theories that indicate a direct link between them,
and there are several interesting experiments that seem to indicate the same, but those are not accepted by the entire scientific community.
If you mean to suggest that the "strong" and "weak" nuclear forces are somehow responsible for the Casimir effect, then I would say no, not
really.
I would say, compare it to and imagine it as photon pressure on the plates. The plates are pushed together by the pressure of photons slamming
into them from the outside, and since there is a lot more outside than there is space between the plates, the pressure on the outside is greater
than the pressure between the plates, and the plates are pushed together. Pressure between the plates is determined for a lage part by the distance
between the plates, which sort of "filters out" greater wavelengths, and this in turn causes a pressure difference.
Does that make sense to you? If so, now simply replace the photon pressure with Dirac sea virtual particle pressure, and there you go. Casimir effect.
(sort of ;))
Hope that helps to understand it a little?
It is actually a little more complex but that is even more difficult to explain... ;)
Regards,
Koen
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on April 04, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
It seems to me the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is total bull, i mean really particles popping in and out of existance-might as well say "just because"-terrible explanation-
The above stuff was from the net, I didn't write it myself.
THe Hiesenberg Principle is not really required here, so that part can be ignored.
Koen1 is right, the Dirac Sea or ZPE is more appropriate. Whoever wrote about the H.U.P. didn't know what they were talking about.
# Some of the names of the Zero Point Energy:
Radiant Energy ; "zero-point" Radiation ;
Cold Electricity ; the Sea of Energy with live in ;
Dirac Sea ; Anenergy ; Eloptic Energy ;
Vacuum Fluctuations ; Higher Dimension ;
Zero-Point Vibration ; Evanescent Waves ; Electromagnetic Medium ; Residual Energy ; Quantum Oscillations ; Vacuum Electromagnetic Field ; Virtual Particle Flux ; Dark Energy ; Cosmic Energy ; Aether ; Ether ; Negative Electricity ; Bioenergy ; Orgone ; Space Energy Field ; Hyperspatial Energy, Life Energy ; God-Force ; Creative Vibration ; zipee
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how does a car work, put the gas in and drive, simple see-bull
That's called fuel and/or expansion physics. Useless technology when it comes to free energy discussion. Joe cell for the car...that's cool.
Anything involving the ZPE/aether is implosion.
QuoteI need more than that.... where are they popping from is what i want to know?? another dimension?, are they being randomly created by the interference of several waves, does a subatomic amoeba shit them out?
Of course, this is what the write up says....something about annihilating each other, opposites.
And yet another person, Hal Putoff, stated that the atom is being constantly given energy from the zero point to sustain it.
Otherwise all matter around us would be annihilating all the time and we would see energy coming from all material things. This is not the case. More of a sustain.
The Dirac Sea or ZPE field can be said to be of another dimension. Or dimensionless, but still outside or underneath our local physics.
Regardless of the writeup says, about the casimir effect and other things, the idear here is to use the crystals to somehow tap into the very high 10^41 hertz resonate frequency or lower harmonic.
10^41 comes from the 10^-43 seconds for Planck/Wheeler length.
So yes, the ZPM could create dangerous gamma rays or not, depends on where it can resonate at and still draw appreciable power.
That would be amazing, and what sort of crystals could we use? High heat crystals obviously, as power can equate to heat output and you wouldn't want to melt those crystals.
Good crystals would be quartz, zircon, corundum, diamond.
Different sizes and shapes and colours, each reflect different resonating frequencies perhaps as a whole. The lattice structure of an crystal being the most important aspect.
These varying crystals could be used together, to vibrate in unison to add/subtract frequency products and sums etc.
Crystal vibrate back and forth, sharing the inducing frequency and augmenting it.
Who knows..........maybe it won't work.....since magnetism is also vital to getting to the Dirac Sea.
Crystals and magnetic fields working together? Crystals surrounded by donut magnets or electromagnetic coils, and the crystals themselves purposely driven with high frequency (through the coil)?
A closed system, where any energy in starting the whole business is already within the ZPM.
Quote from: 0ne on December 19, 2007, 06:23:49 PM
A cyrstal radio can collect radio waves with no external power needed. Only the power from the radio signal is used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio
Radio Waves are just "electromagnetic radiation" at a certain frequency. When that frequency is raised or lowered, it is no longer classified as radio waves, even though it is still the same force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
This means, a cyrstal radio is a free energy device taping into FREE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION.
Modify the tuning coil of your radio, and you can pick up ALL OTHER ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION including microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiation, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays.
If you can capture radio waves with an antenna and a coil, then you can capture microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiaiton, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, x-rays and gamma rays that same exact way because ALL of those forces are the same thing! The only difference is the frequency.
Teslas free energy reciever was basicly a simple radio. Instead of a speaker, he used a motor!
D.K.S.
Re-using unused energy is something we should do more of. But have you ever thinked of making your own generator by using tap water? You have 10kg pr. cm
2. So there is just to calculate the area needed to make a good generator for your home.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on April 05, 2009, 05:26:54 PM
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But have you ever thinked of making your own generator by using tap water? You have 10kg pr. cm2. So there is just to calculate the area needed to make a good generator for your home.
@Vidar,
Do you envision a type of submersible arrangement with a propeller attached to a generator? Not exactly what this tread was about. (Subject was: free energy from crystal radios.)
But, to answer your question: An outside stream would be better, since the water should flow as long as possible to charge batteries, for example. Municipal water is expensive because it's treated to be drinkable. And the generator will cost money to buy or design and built from scratch. (Commercial units do exist, however.)
A long wire for electret generation to a spark gap and a transformer/diode setup would most likely be cheaper in the long run. A large water generator would most likely not be feasible compared to a long wire because big rivers in the proper place with a lot of all-year-around flow are hard to come by.
--Lee
@koen
ok-sorry, I guess I "understand too little of it to even call it by the right name"
Pardon my ignorance all powerfull master koen...
But
I didn't shout the HUP IS BULL!@#$,
IF I WAS SHOUTING I WOULD HAVE TYPED IT LIKE THIS-(as I have learned on this very forum)
and i didn't' say it was wrong either, it just seems like its " total bull" answer to me.
like when somebody says " just because"
why is the sky blue?- "because that's what color it is"
that's a bull!#@ answer-it's not wrong but theres more to it than that
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how does a car work, put the gas in and drive, simple see-bull
"Ah yes, that is clearly irrefutable evidence of the uncertainty principle being untrue.
So cars run on gas, ergo is incorrect."
"Sorry bud, but that kind of logic does not fly."
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how is this a bad example?
other than "the uncertainty principle which (I, so horribly) confused with the principle of the Dirac sea"
Cars do run on gas, and the point I was trying to make is that there is more to it than that, and I just didn't get it.....obviously... I didn't even get the name right... don't have to be an asshole about it.... >:(
"irrefutable evidence of the uncertainty principle being untrue."
There is no way I could honestly make that sort of claim, Mr. Dirac and Hissyberg could whip my ass mathematically...don't put words in my mouth please.
Peace
Hello all,
I think that the discussion here was about using a crystal receiver to get "free energy".
I think that we got off track when there were those that were worried that the RF waves were not free because they were being generated by radio stations.
I agree that those RF waves are not free. The originator of this thread just used commercial radio RF as a tool to make the point that there is energy in the atmosphere that we can harvest.
Only one person (Sparks) in 8 pages mentioned the Schuman cavity. It is around 7.8 Hz and it is free. It is called the "pulse" of the earth.
If we could concentrate on 7.8 Hz and receive it by crystal receiver we would have FREE ENERGY.
Remember that when Tesla was experimenting there were no man made Radio or RF waves.
L8TR,
Dougotio
Quote from: dougotio on April 08, 2009, 08:40:23 PM
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Hello all,
I think that the discussion here was about using a crystal receiver to get "free energy". I think that we got off track when there were those that was worried about the RF waves were not free because they were being generated by radio stations.
>>Correct. That was the subject of the thread. The subject seems to have strayed off course since then.
Quote
I agree that those RF waves are not free. The originator of this thread just used commercial radio RF as a tool to make the point that there is energy in the atmosphere that we can harvest. ...Remember that when Tesla was experimenting there were no man made Radio or RF waves.
>>Well, there are other sources of radiant energy. Ordinary stars, neutron stars and black holes are just three. Tesla was able to tap into that energy.
Quote
Only one person in 8 pages mentioned the Schuman cavity. It is around 7.8 Hz and it is free. It is called the "pulse" of the earth. If we could concentrate on 7.8 Hz and receive it by crystal receiver we would have FREE ENERGY.
>>A 7.8 Hz antenna would require a tremendously long wire for that low of frequency. Or else a 1/2, 1/4 wave or some other multiple of whole integer of length to acheve the same result, yes?
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok
Quote
Hello all,
I think that the discussion here was about using a crystal receiver to get "free energy". I think that we got off track when there were those that was worried about the RF waves were not free because they were being generated by radio stations.
>>Correct. That was the subject of the thread. The subject seems to have strayed off course since then.
That happens; it is funny to see it get a life of its own.
Quote
I agree that those RF waves are not free. The originator of this thread just used commercial radio RF as a tool to make the point that there is energy in the atmosphere that we can harvest. ...Remember that when Tesla was experimenting there were no man made Radio or RF waves.
>>Well, there are other sources of radiant energy. Ordinary stars, neutron stars and black holes are just three. Tesla was able to tap into that energy.
I know that there are other forms of energy beside the Shuman Cavity. Would it not be more reasonable to think that Tesla probably used the Shuman Freq. 7.8 Hz because it was here when he was experimenting just as it is now?
Do you have knowledge of Tesla using Neutron stars, or Black holes for energy?
I am not arguing with you, but I think that there are so many myths and assumptions about the “old mastersâ€. I find it hard to know what is true.
It is definitely more fun to think about using energy “from the vacuumâ€
BTW, I do believe and hope that there is “energy in the Vacuum†but
I am positive of the Shuman Cavity and I think that we should direct some of our time and effort in cultivating something that we are positive is there.
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Only one person (Sparks) in 8 pages mentioned the Schuman cavity. It is around 7.8 Hz and it is free. It is called the "pulse" of the earth. If we could concentrate on 7.8 Hz and receive it by crystal receiver we would have FREE ENERGY.
>>A 7.8 Hz antenna would require a tremendously long wire for that low of frequency. Or else a 1/2, 1/4 wave or some other multiple of whole integer of length to acheve the same result, yes?
Yes you are correct but we can get too hung up on antenna length. You said it your self that we can use shorter multiples of the full wave length. An antenna for receiving is not near as critical as one for transmitting. At the end of the day all you want or need is the most static that you can squeeze out of the crystal set.--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok
Lee, thanks for the dialogue.
L8TR,
Dougotio
@Pyrodin: well buddy, if you choose to dismiss the uncertainty principle
then you must do so, but don't act like you have a good reason for it.
Nobody forces you to accept established quantum theory, so if you don't
like it, just don't involve yourself with it.
Perhaps you will find Mills' Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantum Mechanics
more to your liking?
That is a very different approach in which Mills does not take certain assumptions
for granted that standard QM does, and this results in a fully classical and quantifyable
version that does not have much uncertainty at all. Mind you, that theory is not
yet accepted as a valid alternative by the established QM community, but funny
enough Mills has made a few predictions based on his theory that seem to be proven
correct, and that are in conflict with established QM theory.
For example, established QM theory states that Hydrogen has a lowest energy state,
and it cannot drop to an even lower energy state. Mills' theory on the other hand predicts
that Hydrogen atoms should have an energy state even lower than that, and Mills formulated
an experiment to show this. The prediction for this experiment was that the Hydrogen atoms
would drop to that lower state, and emit high energy UV light doing so. Established QM
states that this is impossible. When the experiment was performed, and it has been replicated
several times now, guess what they found? Indeed, there was high energy UV emitted in
almost exactly the quantities predicted by Mills. So there you go, a nice example of an
apparently valid alternative quantum mechanics, which is to this day not accepted by
the establishment.
My point? Well, I suppose that it is ok to not want to accept QM theory, but only
when you have a valid and testable alternative does that actually lead to something constructive.
Just shouting "I don't believe it" is fine, but it doesn't get us anywhere. ;)
@All: If the goal of this thread is indeed to discuss energy collection by using crystal radio
inspired circuits, then you'd probably better check out this thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6972.new;topicseen
For clarity: if you want to collect energy, you do NOT want a crystal radio that is tuned to a specific frequency.
After all, what that does is filter out radio signals that are not of the frequency the radio is tuned to, and quite a bit of
that energy is then lost, while some of it is used to power the high ohmic earphones of such a crystal radio set.
Besides that, you would have to tune it to a frequency that is dependable, which in our day and age are usually
radio broadcasts, which is not actually free energy but energy transmitted by the radio stations, and in some
countries this is considered stealing power, just like it is considered stealing to use an inductive coupling on
a power line that runs past your house to collect power from it without physically connecting with the cable.
Seems to me that, if you want to collect as much energy as possible, you simply want to collect all energy
fluctuations and not only those of one specific frequency. So then tuning to a specific freq would in theory
only deminish the amount of energy collected.
As I have indicated in that "the way of the crystal" thread (and in some others before that), perhaps
the Tate Ambient Power Module wuld be a better idea than a tuned crystal radio.
Such an APM is nothing more than a rectifyer combined with a voltage doubler, connected to the
antenna and the ground, and should collect most if not all energy fluctuations and store the energy
in a capacitor (bank). It uses the same (or similar) crystal diodes as the old crystal radios, and is
in a way a part of the crystal radio schematic, without the tuning part.
Regards,
Koen
Quote from: dougotio on April 08, 2009, 08:40:23 PM
Hello all,
I think that the discussion here was about using a crystal receiver to get "free energy".
I think that we got off track when there were those that were worried that the RF waves were not free because they were being generated by radio stations.
I agree that those RF waves are not free. The originator of this thread just used commercial radio RF as a tool to make the point that there is energy in the atmosphere that we can harvest.
Only one person (Sparks) in 8 pages mentioned the Schuman cavity. It is around 7.8 Hz and it is free. It is called the "pulse" of the earth.
If we could concentrate on 7.8 Hz and receive it by crystal receiver we would have FREE ENERGY.
Remember that when Tesla was experimenting there were no man made Radio or RF waves.
L8TR,
Dougotio
How much power is in the Schuman frequency? Normally frequency reflects power. The higher the frequency, the higher the power contained within it.
Someone mentioned they are 'hoping' that the vacuum contains energy, and yet they only look at the schuman range. The vacuum contains a hell of alot more readily useable power than anything known, the problem is with resonation. If you guys can figure out how to get a simple crystal to tune into a high resonation point, then you got it made.
Tesla worked with the ionosphere and I am guessing the schuman range.
extremely long wavelength for the schuman wavelength, unless you grab at it harmonically and harmonics are lower orders of power. Your antenna to the schuman is going to be too huge, and to be practical, it won't be.
anyways, it's been fun......
Quote from: Koen1 on April 09, 2009, 07:02:14 AM
For clarity: if you want to collect energy, you do NOT want a crystal radio that is tuned to a specific frequency.[/quote]
>>Koen1 is correct. There's enough power in a long enough wire from all frequencies. If the wire is large enough and over 500-600 feet long (151-181m), there is potentially deadly voltage and current in an ungrounded, insulated wire. The idea is to be careful with it.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 09, 2009, 12:01:58 PM
For clarity: if you want to collect energy, you do NOT want a crystal radio that is tuned to a specific frequency.
>>Koen1 is correct. There's enough power in a long enough wire from all frequencies. If the wire is large enough and over 500-600 feet long (151-181m), there is potentially deadly voltage and current in an ungrounded, insulated wire. The idea is to be careful with it.
--Lee
What is the explanation of this ?
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What is the explanation of this ?
Hermann Plauson was granted several American patents. Among them: "Conversion of Atmospheric Electric Energy" , #1,540,998, had several features in common with Tesla's work. His implication was that up to 500 equivalent HP was available from a cable---strung or suspended from floating balloons(!)---and that suggests to me high voltage or high current values will have been present at the end of an ungrounded wire.
Other practical experimenters and ham radio operators say the same thing about ungrounded antenna wires of sufficient length. Hence the caution.
Re-edit later:
As I said on Reply #50 of this thread, the radio experimenter mentioned then was afraid of very high voltage levels present even on a 1,900 foot magnet wire. He wired a 1 megaohm resistor into the antenna circuit before connecting it to his radio. That's why caution should be used with long, insulated wires.
@all:
My family responsibilities hamper the amount of time I have to come to the public library and use this capable, large, and fast computer I'm borrowing.
I may not be able to answer replies to other's posts in a timely manner. My Mom needs constant attention and my family is *stretched thin* to provide it.
schuman resonance
Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum between 3â€"69 Hz, and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83, 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.
7.83Hz = 1 (Full) Wave = 38314176.24521073 meters, divide by 4 for 1/4 Wave, divide by 2 for 1/2 Wave and so forth.
14.3Hz = 1 (Full) Wave = 20979020.97902098 meters
20.8Hz = 1 (Full) Wave = 14423076.923076922 meters
27.3Hz = 1 (Full) Wave = 10989010.98901099 meters
33.8Hz = 1 (Full) Wave = 8875739.644970415 meters
this antenna would generate electricity very well.
Start reeling!
Jerry
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum between 3â€"69 Hz, and appear as 33.8Hz = 1 (Full) Wave = 8875739.644970415 meters
this antenna would generate electricity very well.
Start reeling!
>>Right, that's correct. However, I'll
assume that 8,875,739 meters is about 2,500 miles by using the very
round figure of 3,500 meters/mile.
My point is: it's long for only one wire.
But I did read awhile ago somewhere that taking a Telephone Company cable with many pairs of twisted wires, and starting in the color coded sequence peculiar to them, solder one the end of one wire to an alternating wire in the sequence to make one long wire.
The effect is to do the same thing with a short wire as a wire with 100 times the length. The source of the information (Internet-related, as I recall), said Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity was responsible for the effect.
@all,
Hope this idea stimulates thought.
--Lee
I have a saying, if it doesn't work in the deepest darkest regions of space then it isn't the correct technology, one day we will need to leave this world for another and that makes any technology specific. one day the only thing that will matter is hopping to other worlds that support life, it seems to be the ultimate survival game the Universe likes to play and it gives everyone a time limit to accomplish it.
I am so certain it is Fusion technology and it should be sought very aggressively.
Jerry
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I have a saying, if it doesn't work in the deepest darkest regions of space then it isn't the correct technology,...
>>Okay, I can see that. But think about this with regard to this thread:
Take two equally long magnet wire spools at the edge of the universe and then unreel them by centrifugal force. Light and radio waves at the edge of the universe will energize the spinning wires, even at that distance. They just need to be
long wires.
This technology will work anywhere.
--Lee
Moved topic to The Perfect Spacecraft Forum
Moved topic to the Perfect Spacecraft forum.
When I was a kid we use to take a piece of #14 gauge insulated wire ad coil it up in a 6" coil leaving about 6 ' of each end sticking out, then we took a nail on one end and a alligator clip on the other end, put the coil over car antenna then clip clip to radio chassis, and the nail into the ground, this would pull in am radio waves in locations you could not get any without it.
I think the idea is that am radio wave travel mostly through the ground..., just like Tesla was using power from the ground.
Doesn't lightning go from the ground up first ?
very slow motion lightning strike, awesome footage!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X_7YRVGvtA
llewgnal said:
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When I was a kid we use to take a piece of #14 gauge insulated wire ad coil it up in a 6" coil leaving about 6 ' of each end sticking out, then we took a nail on one end and a alligator clip on the other end, put the coil over car antenna then clip clip to radio chassis, and the nail into the ground, this would pull in am radio waves in locations you could not get any without it.
>>When you said this I remembered my Dad did the same thing with a 75 foot insulated wire strung around the rafters of our garage which was attached to a homemade coil wound onto a wooden dowel; from there, to a good earth ground. He pulled in a Chicago radio station from Southern California that I didn't even hear until he set the homemade coil against the portable radio's ferrite antenna.
This is a
bona fide voltage augmentor as an air core transformer.
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...I think the idea is that am radio wave travel mostly through the ground..., just like Tesla was using power from the ground.
Doesn't lightning go from the ground up first ?
>>I was told that's often the prevailing interpretation. The ground is negatively charged and the ionosphere is positively charged with ions. That's why lightning rises into the sky (too fast to really see with the eye---something like several thousand miles per second or more. That's what scientists had determined years ago).