G'day all,
I am angry!
Today a link appeared in the Lawrence Tseung thread that got me going.
The link led to a project called ?The Potomac Energy Project?.
In their mission statement it says:
The Potomac Energy Project was the name coined to the decentralized effort throughout the independent research community to develop and distribute the most advanced energy technologies currently available today for review. These technologies will streamline private and government efforts to reduce our dependency on foreign hydrocarbon resources, while also reducing the negative impact of global energy consumption on the environment. These advanced energy technologies will also decentralize our nation?s vulnerable energy infrastructure. Current trends make it clear that we are out of time to consider funding conventional alternative energy research. Global oil production has peaked and is now in decline. It is time to face the hard truths about energy. The planet?s ecosystem cannot sustain continued hydrocarbon dependence, as outlined in the UN?s 2007 Global Environment Outlook Report. Our nation MUST immediately shift its research emphasis to advanced alternative energy technologies if our way of life is to continue, while minimizing the likelihood of expanding regional wars to maintain adequate supplies of hydrocarbon resources. Once funding is successfully distributed to these research projects, the technologies developed out of this initiative will monopolize what is becoming a trillion dollar alternative energy market.
The link was published by Lawrence Tseung , whose name also appears on the same page. This is the same Lawrence who keeps telling us that his goal is to benefit the world. It would appear to be obvious that he is associated with this project in some way.
Whilst publishing idiotic theories and publishing fraudulent test results he has been going around behind the scenes to put people under contract with promises of money.(such as Chas Campbell for instance), and gathering them to his camp in an effort to monopolise any emerging new technologies.
This is totally against the spirit of this site, it is the very thing we are fighting!
Which raises the question: Who is this Lawrence Tseung and who is he really working for?
Every time I or anyone else who has proven his statements to be utter fiction he has accused us of being CIA agents set to destroy him.
If there is an agent of evil amongst us it is you Mr. Tseung.
If this was my forum I would toss him out and delete his thread.
Hans von Lieven
PS. The link is www.green-salon.com and appears in http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.1140/topicseen.html post 1145
@ Hans:
I could not agree more. It not only goes against the spirit of this site, it is down right underhanded if you ask me. So, all of the information you gave to Lawrence in an attempt to help him get on the right track, and the information I gave him on the high temperature bearings, and all of the other ideas and info he has received, will now all be SOLD back to us. Nice. I hope Stefan reads your topic here and looks into it a bit. Now I understand where his hookers fit into the equation. We are all going to get F*cked!
Bill
Please guys,
First, you two deserve gigantic medals of honor for not posting all through Christmas!!!!! I swear you could hear his little twisted brain cooking under the strain. It was hilarious. This guy is a psycho old man with delusions of grandeur. Come on, a cia agent posting his cell AND HOME numbers?! What do you do when you got nothing, and you want to stir up attention. Exactly. You bluff, you front. He cant even do that. The 4 legged stool experiment? Really? Anyway, I vote BOOT him, and thanks again guys,
Ben
Hi all,
I'm Todd Hathaway from the other blog page.
We're not monopolizing the market, the technologies will do so naturally because the new technologies are better than the old ones.
If you or anyone else have techs worth considering, please feel free to contact me directly.
No technology or inventor will be left out in the cold.
I am a volunteer working to bring these technologies to the public.
Feel free to contact me directly at 301-320-3716 or 301-357-0431.
It's pretty clear I'm not Lawrence by answering the phone in Bethesda Maryland when he lives in Hong Kong, as I called him about a month ago using the phone number and he picked it up. If you still think I'm him, then feel free to stop by my house in Bethesda, MD, and meet my wife and 8 month old son...
We have so little time left to bring these techs to market, so if you know of techs that need funding - either private or gov't - feel free to contact me directly. If you don't want to work with me, then I could provide POC info to others who are in direct contact with prospective investors and/or government funding.
Let's start off by asking who you are willing to work with and trust. If it is impossible to work with me in any way, then feel free to contact like-minded folks in the new energy congress - http://top100energy.com - it's a small community this whole adv energy tech clan, so someone you know probably knows someone I know. Maybe we could start there.
Hope that helps, Todd
todd.hathaway@gmail.com or info@sci-us.org
G'day Todd,
Never mind the soothing words, when all is said and done, you are trying to bring as many emerging new technologies under one umbrella as you can, with the promise of funding.
That spells Monopoly Attempt to me.
And that is what we are fighting!
Hans von Lieven
No one entity will control the techs - I just used the name Potomac Energy Project to encapsulate the effort all of us are involved with to make this happen. The techs are scattered all over the world, so it will be impossible to monopolize the techs.
I know very well the Golden Rule of business.
He who has the Gold makes the Rules!
You promise the Gold. Nuff said.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: todd.hathaway on December 29, 2007, 04:26:21 PM
Hi all,
I'm Todd Hathaway from the other blog page.
We're not monopolizing the market, the technologies will do so naturally because the new technologies are better than the old ones.
If you or anyone else have techs worth considering, please feel free to contact me directly.
No technology or inventor will be left out in the cold.
I am a volunteer working to bring these technologies to the public.
Feel free to contact me directly at 301-320-3716 or 301-357-0431.
It's pretty clear I'm not Lawrence by answering the phone in Bethesda Maryland when he lives in Hong Kong, as I called him about a month ago using the phone number and he picked it up. If you still think I'm him, then feel free to stop by my house in Bethesda, MD, and meet my wife and 8 month old son...
We have so little time left to bring these techs to market, so if you know of techs that need funding - either private or gov't - feel free to contact me directly. If you don't want to work with me, then I could provide POC info to others who are in direct contact with prospective investors and/or government funding.
Let's start off by asking who you are willing to work with and trust. If it is impossible to work with me in any way, then feel free to contact like-minded folks in the new energy congress - http://top100energy.com - it's a small community this whole adv energy tech clan, so someone you know probably knows someone I know. Maybe we could start there.
Hope that helps, Todd
todd.hathaway@gmail.com or info@sci-us.org
Mr Hathaway:
Your project seemed to be an independent entity and not to be confused with official US Energy business. is this correct? Please help us understand what your relationship is with official US Government business? I can't imagine any official US Government project working together in a Forum like this and associating themselves with a crap head like that Lawrence Tseung!
What Lawrence needed is proper medication for schizo. illness and reality checks/ He does not need more confusion from you!
Sincerely
chrisC
the answer is easy , open source it here , or f**** off ;D
Quote from: b0rg13 on December 29, 2007, 05:13:14 PM
the answer is easy , open source it here , or f**** off ;D
Exactly my sentiments b0rg :D
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: b0rg13 on December 29, 2007, 05:13:14 PM
the answer is easy , open source it here , or f**** off ;D
Exactly, why trying to make money, If you really want to help the planet stop trying making money from it and release it! :)
That whole thing is a joke, I think. Todd is just as delusional as Lawrence. First, what the hell was up with the doomsday prophesy? How does that relate to anything. Second, to quote:
"Current trends make it clear that we are out of time to consider funding conventional alternative energy research."
Say what? They propose abandoning proven and improving technologies like solar, wind and hydro power in favor of funding as yet completely unproven "alternative" technologies, of which no one even has a working prototype that will produce the tiniest iota of energy. If you want to work on alternative, great, but don't abandon what is working already until you have something better.
Todd,
Aren't you supposed to be Major Todd Hathaway from the US Department of Defense, and isn't the person who co-signs your letters with Nora supposed to be Senator Nora Mead Brownell. Commissioner, Federal Energy Regulatory Commission? (Also known in the States as Nora Mead Brownout)
True or not???
Hans von Lieven
@ Todd:
"No one entity will control the techs."
No, and no one entity owns all of the oil on the planet either but it is still controlled by what is called a CARTEL! A monopoly by any other name is still just that, a monopoly.
Bill
Yep Bill,
It would appear these sleaze-bags are trying to form a cartel even before the technology is running because they can see progress in our ranks.
Control everything by financing (or promising to finance) some of it. What else is new?
Hans von Lieven
There is one only solution.
Open Source everything.
Money ist the toxic Part in all Community s.
If the Monopol of Energy supply is taken from the richest,then the world can take a free breath.
helmut
Open source:
http://top100energy.com has a few listings
www.green-salon.com - contact the inventors directly:
Ken Rauen ? kmpr27 {at} yahoo.com ? Rauen Environmental Heat Engine
OPEN SOURCED, STILL NEEDS ~$10K FOR PROOF OF CONCEPT PROTOTYPE BUILD
Eddie Sines ? edsines {at} aol.com ? Potomac Energy Projects LLC
FINISHING UP PROOF OF CONCEPT PROTOTYPE - EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE SO OUTSIDE FUNDING IS THE ONLY WAY TO PRODUCE THESE UNITS
Ken Rasmussen ? kr {at} commutefaster.com ? Advanced Hydroxy Gas Production
WILL NOT OPEN SOURCE THE TECH - CONTACT HIM TO DISCUSS OPEN SOURCEING IF YOU LIKE, BUT HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT ROUTE.
Bob Boyce ? bobboyceh2o {at} yahoo.com - Advanced Electrolysis Technology
PRIUS DELIVERED FOR OPEN SOURCE PROJECT - READY BY JUNE 2008 FOR PUBLIC DEMO.
Bob Dratch ? bob {at} bob-dratch.org ? Thorium Power Pack
NEEDS OUTSIDE FUNDING TO PURSUE PROJECT. TALK TO HIM ABOUT OPEN SOURCING
David Yurth ? davidyurth {at} novainstituteoftechnology.com - Self-Recharging Electric Vehicle
SEEKING OUTSIDE FUNDING, SECURED SOME FUNDING ALREADY. CONTACT HIM IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS OPEN SOURCING.
Ted Loder ? info {at} aero2012.com ? Advanced Energy Research Organization LLC
GO TO WWW.AERO2012.COM FOR MORE INFO - THE MOST DEDICATED GROUP TO ENSURING ADV ENERGY TECHS MAKES IT INTO THE PUBLIC FORUM.
Sterling Allan ? sterlingda {at} pureenergysystems.com - New Energy Congress
LOVES OPEN SOURCE APPROACH - SUGGEST YOU JOIN THE NEC IF OPEN SOURCE IS YOUR BAG.
Stephen Kaplan ? stephenkap {at} gmail.com - New Energy Movement
SUPPORTER OF ADV ENERGY TECH DISCLOSURE VIA OPEN SOURCE OR ANY OTHER MEANS OF DISCLOSURE.
Nora Maccoby ? nora {at} maccoby.com - Energy Consensus Group
MY WIFE, INFO AVAILABLE ABOVE. CONTACT US FOR MORE INFO.
Tom Valone ? iri {at} erols.com - Integrity Research Institute
ALSO SUPPORTS OPEN SOURCING; INVOLVED WITH A COUPLE PROJECTS; LIVES IN COLLEGE PARK NEAR UMD, WHERE HIS OFFICE IS LOCATED.
Lawrence Tseung ? ltseung {at} hotmail.com - Wang Shum Ho Electricity Generator
UNKNOWN - INVESTIGATING. WE HAVE CHINESE CONTACTS WHO CAN CONTACT HIGH LEVEL CHINESE OFFICLAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER WANG SHUM HO'S CREDENTIALS ARE LEGIT AND IF SO, WHY.
Tom Bearden ? webmaster {at} cheniere.org ? Motionless Electromagnetic Generator
TRIP TO EUROPE WITH LESLIE PASTOR IN MAY TO CONFIRM OVERUNITY DEMO WITH NAUDIN IN FRANCE (TENTATIVE)
John/Gary Bedini ? info {at} energenx.com ? Bedini Motor/Generator
SELLING SMALL UNITS - ALREADY OPEN SOURCED, BUT NOT PRODUCING SUFFICIENT ENERGY OUTPUT TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO.
David Wenbert ? david.wenbert {at} gmail.com ? Geovoltaic Energy Pump
ONLY NEEDS $5-10K TO OPEN SOURCE THIS TECH, BUT IT'S A LONG SHOT IN MY OPINION, AS THEIR R&D GROUP HAS NOT EVEN STARTED DEVELOPING THE FIRST PROTOTYPE.
Releasing the technology via open source? OK, that's EXACTLY what we're doing via the New Energy Congress at http://top100energy.com, the web page I update every time the New Energy Congress has voted on the techs.
www.green-salon.com is also an independent volunteer effort designed to bring adv energy techs into the public forum, as well as government and private industry, compliments of Larry Jarboe who owns the property where inventors will present their techs on June 28-29 to the public. You're welcome to attend. You can contact Larry via his email posted online at www.green-salon.com. It is up to those inventors presenting their techs what they want to do with their techs. If you want them to open source the techs, then the best we can hope for is for them to say yes when you ask them to open source the techs. Bob Boyce and Eddie Sines have done precisely that so far, as evidenced through their online activities. I bought a Prius for Bob Boyce earlier this month, as he continues to open source his water car tech, with demos to follow next year. I also dumped ~$100K into Eddie Sines's project since he and I first met in 2005 - info posted online at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Potomac_Energy_Projects,_LLC - watch the videos and that's me presenting the information OPEN SOURCE. Even if something is readily available, you have to secure the funding necessary to mass produce units for market...any suggestions on how to do that without involving those who have such funding? That's right, open source, which we're doing in real time. If inventors refuse to open source their techs, the only other option is to secure funding for those techs via government and private industry in the hope that they're not bought out and thrown on a shelf. You blame the inventors for refusing to open source their techs. That also upsets me to see inventors not releasing their techs, but I have no control over what people do with their techs. Only the inventors can make the decision to open source a tech or not. Again, www.green-salon.com is available to anyone who wants to support their research...posting these techs and supporting open sourcing makes it difficult to compartmentalize. See also www.aero2012.com
If you think the adv energy techs will be controlled, that's difficult to do since the means of reproducing the techs I have been directly involved with are already open sourced.
Government and private industry can reproduce anything they want, just as the public can do so. Based on my experiences and those of my colleagues in private industry, there are compartmentalized projects that have adv energy techs far superior to what's available open source. The compartmentalized projects we hear about are already monopolizing those adv energy techs by refusing to release them to the public, so this initiative WILL break the stranglehold on keeping adv energy techs. Go to www.aero2012.com for more info on that topic. We will find a way to bring adv energy techs to the public ASAP.
Regarding my background, I am a Nuclear & Counterproliferation officer with the Army, volunteering for DoD while assigned to the Univ of Maryland to bring them adv energy techs if they're interested, while also working to improve energy practices on bases so the need for hydrocarbon fuels is reduced. This effort helps secure independent study credit for a couple of the classes, which is why I can find time to volunteer.
At the Univ of Maryland I have to complete an M.S. degree in Nuclear Engineering by May 2009, which leaves a lot of time to do this since only a few courses remain for the degree, though I am also helping to establish the Energy Systems Engineering curriculum at UMD, and could obtain an M.S. degree in that program by 2009 if I keep a full load of courses each term including summer. Through 2012, I will be assigned to the Armed Forces Radiological Research Institute as a research reactor operator, a research reactor (TRIGA) similar to the one at UMD. Go to www.umd.edu, click on directories, type my name, send me an email to my University account if you want to confirm my involvement at the Univ of Maryland. You can also contact my advisor, Dr. Al-Sheikhly at 301-405-5214. Hiding in blogland isn't working - we have to bring everything into the public forum for review and reproduction. If the Chinese POCs will not allow open sourcing, then the other option is to secure funding for full scale mass production. It's up to China what China does with its technologies. If they elect to collaborate, that is certainly preferred over not collaborating.
None of you have called any of the researchers listed online, my wife, or me to confirm any of this information, so far just posted negative stuff which has the effect of disempowering those buying into that negativity and the belief that nothing can be done to counteract the oil cartel and supporting infrastructure. To date, none of you have mentioned anything that will help open source these techs. You CAN make a difference, but only by working together in the open can the difference be enough to change the world for the better.
My wife Nora Maccoby's bio is available on www.maccoby.com/nora - a video of her is also available online at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5009439800283450862&hl=en.
Are any of you in the D.C. area? Feel free to stop by our house to discuss - 2 Bay Tree Lane, Bethesda, Maryland.
The future predictions are presented to show how the indiginous people are working with us to bring about change and how little time we have left to make things happen. We must find a way to bring these techs to the public ASAP, and friendly elements within government and private industry can help so the techs can be implemented on a large scale ASAP. A small fraction of people are actively working to suppress these techs, though the overwhelming majority allow this to happen by doing nothing or just allowing the status quo to be maintained.
OK, STATE EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD BRING ADV ENERGY TECHS TO MARKET, THEN OUTLINE WHAT ACTIONS WE CAN TAKE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!
The conclusions drawn based on your posts to date suggest that evil people control everything and good people can't do anything to overcome the evil...well, your thinking creates your destiny. Our group has chosen to believe that the future can be changed if we take action to manifest the changes we want to have happen.
Nora and I are doing a great deal to open source adv energy techs, and have proven it by directly funding open source projects. If you are stating that techs should never be funded by government or private industry, then how will they ever be mass produced in a timely manner. By giving the tech to the public with enough info to produce? OK, then we're on the same page of music in that respect. For those techs that are not open sourced, the only other option is to seek funding for those projects; otherwise, they die on the vine...not a very effective approach to bringing those techs to market in a timely manner. If you want to fund open source projects, good luck finding someone with money to do that. We have found a select few, and those projects will be brought to the public next year if all goes well. If that doesn't happen, we're no worse off then we are now. Rather than complain, what are YOUR solutions?
STATE EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD BRING ADV ENERGY TECHS TO MARKET, THEN OUTLINE WHAT ACTIONS WE CAN TAKE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN! THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
Todd & Nora
If that is what you are saying then why make this statement in your website?
Once funding is successfully distributed to these research projects, the technologies developed out of this initiative will monopolize what is becoming a trillion dollar alternative energy market.
Hans von Lieven
@ Todd:
What are our solutions? Take a long look around the forum here and, except for a few cranks like Lawrence, there are many serious people working on, self-funded, open source energy solutions and/or possible solutions. That is why 99% of us are here. Hey, check out the earth batteries topic where we are getting almost 2 volts dc out of the earth...for free...lighting leds....Is it enough to power a home or a small city? No, not yet. But it is free, and it works, and it is proven. And, this is just the begining. So, when you ask what our solutions are, I say, take a look around.
Bill
That's pretty straightforward. Adv energy techs produce energy cheaper than conventional alternative energy techs. Since they produce energy cheaper, the adv energy techs will monopolize the industry. The link to the related article is below. When something better is brought to a market, that new technology replaces whatever was there before. If you don't like the word monopolize, I'll use something else to describe the scenario below.
FYI - My emails auto-forward to Nora, so she reads these posts and provides comments when she's around while I'm replying.
Todd & Nora
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A Cool Trillion in Green Markets by 2030
POSTED: Friday, October 19, 2007
FROM BLOG: Triple Pundit - Serving people, planet and profit: An 'integrated bottom-line' approach to looking at business from the next generation of MBAs
The following blog post is from an independent writer and is not connected with Reuters News. The opinions and views expressed herein are those of the author and are not endorsed by Reuters.com.
Green markets, in particular renewable and alternative energy, stand poised to grow into a $1 trillion market by 2030 according to analysis by Morgan Stanley.
A report on Thursday in Reuters said the world market for ?green? energy ? including solar, wind, biomass. biofuels, tidal, and geothermal ? is likely to face exponential growth in the coming decades in response to rising prices for oil and concerns over security and the environmental costs of fossil fuel.
Adding to the optimism, Greenpeace and the European Renewable Energy Council (EREC) envisions a world run on 50% renewable energy by 2050. Currently, renewable energy accounts for 13.2 percent of global supply.
While nobody denies the fundamental risks with a continued (and growing) reliance on fossil fuel, it is no surprise that not everyone shares this optimism.
Raining on the Optimists Parade
The International Energy Agency (IEA) has a much more sober assessment of the role renewable energy will play in the next three or four decades, with a marginal increase in global supply to only 13.7 percent. The IEA forecasts oil and gas continuing to play the dominate role in meeting energy demand for the foreseeable future.
Both assessments are based on wildly divergent assumptions about how the world situation plays out in the coming years.
It is clear that energy demand will continue to rise. There are, of course, a variety of factors that will play into any future scenario for our global energy economy and which set of assumptions, the optimistic or the sober, that will most resemble reality.
Business and consumers play an important part in shaping that future reality. Key market motivators are how well we incorporate energy efficiency into our professional and personal lives and how much we demand that the energy we do consume come increasingly from alternative sources.
Inherent in that is also a willingness to pay an initial premium for alternative energy. As technology advances, infrastructure rolls out, and markets adjust to incorporate the true environmental cost of continued reliance on fossil fuel, alternative energy will make both economic and environmental sense; well worth the initial cost.
It?s a good time to be an optimist.
http://www.reuters.com/article/blogBurst/environment?type=environmentNews&w1=B7ovpm21IaDoL40ZFnNfGe&w2=B8dTgJxsl2aP4igJ50LB7l1&src=blogBurst_environmentNews&bbPostId=BA24g9W91bOaCz2eIAFWlpANOCz6V30ObQtcWXCzDY8vdqAEo4Y&bbParentWidgetId=B92f4ZrUh4vnDakNXhJSJ
Bill,
Sounds great! If you want any of these techs posted online, please provide the links and I'll post at www.green-salon.com, or if you don't want it there, I can just post in the NEC yahoogroups, but that only reaches its 50 members. The easier to reproduce, the better! Cheap also helps. If it's really easy, even I might be able to step up to the plate. LED light bulbs that screw into conventional light bulbs require as little as 3 watts, so that's enough to impress a few folks, though 1 kW would be about as small an output for full-scale production purposes. 10+ kw is ideal since that can run houses, small cars, etc.
Thanks for the info, as I'm still exploring every option and haven't found but a small fraction of what' out there.
Todd & Nora
301-320-3716
I'm not sure how I feel about the free energy researchers being tied up in one cartel.
There are a lot of patents on free energy systems. It's likely that none of these actually describe working free energy devices, but that doesn't mean the patent claims can't be interpreted to cover whatever free energy system is actually found to work in the future. In fact, it's likely that a significant portion of those patents will be interpreted in that way by their holders, because there'd be a lot of money at stake. It seems plausible that demonstrable, working free energy would get held up for decades by a litigious riot. This would happen whether or not any attempt was made to patent and monopolize the device.
On the other hand, if all the relevant patents were all controlled by one organization, we'd have a better chance of getting stuff to market. The working device certainly wouldn't end up royalty-free, even if its inventor intended that, but at least the intellectual property issues might be clear enough that companies would feel comfortable building and selling them.
Cheers,
Mr. Entropy
G'day Todd and all
QuoteRegarding my background, I am a Nuclear & Counterproliferation officer with the Army, volunteering for DoD while assigned to the Univ of Maryland to bring them adv energy techs if they're interested, while also working to improve energy practices on bases so the need for hydrocarbon fuels is reduced. This effort helps secure independent study credit for a couple of the classes, which is why I can find time to volunteer.
At the Univ of Maryland I have to complete an M.S. degree in Nuclear Engineering by May 2009, which leaves a lot of time to do this since only a few courses remain for the degree, though I am also helping to establish the Energy Systems Engineering curriculum at UMD, and could obtain an M.S. degree in that program by 2009 if I keep a full load of courses each term including summer. Through 2012, I will be assigned to the Armed Forces Radiological Research Institute as a research reactor operator, a research reactor (TRIGA) similar to the one at UMD.
Very impressive. The thing that puzzles me here is how can someone with your technical education and standing in the community fall for the technological gibberish of a Lawrence Tseung. Anyone with a halfway solid grounding in physics knows the man talks rubbish. His so called theory is but a number of assertions unsupported by realty, his experiments are a scam, his data are made up and his background is mysterious, since nothing checks out so far.
As to the indigenous projections of how the world is going to progress, well, these kind of statements and your belief in them aren't exactly the kind of thing that give you credibility in the eyes of most.
Hans von Lieven
No, the researchers really need to keep doing what they're doing in a decentralized manner, but funding always seems to be the bottleneck for the open source adv energy techs actually worth funding.
Quote from: todd.hathaway on December 29, 2007, 08:47:25 PM
No, the researchers really need to keep doing what they're doing in a decentralized manner, but funding always seems to be the bottleneck for the open source adv energy techs actually worth funding.
So, you accept unsubstantiated crap, like those spewed out by Lawrence as research material? Well, good luck to your new energy searches. you ain't going to find it in a delusional brain .
cheers
chrisC
Hans,
We are in contact with Chinese officials who will be able to determine whether his claims are legit or not. Once that info is provided, appropriate action (or lack thereof) will be taken...promise.
Regarding indigenous projections, we'll see soon enough if their timeline is correct. I'm always open to debate when it comes to future stuff, but the purpose of that post was to reinforce a sense of urgency. If that doesn't trip your trigger, then look at how well we're doing in the Middle East and how important it is for the world to find solutions to energy/water scarcity. Replace future projections with Middle East concerns if that floats your boat. Future projections are always walking on this ice, but one must prepare for the future with a certain set of beliefs; otherwise, people wouldn't buy insurance...anyway, skepticism is understandable. I think we can agree that a sense of urgency in finding solutions to energy/water issues is paramount to our collective survival...otherwise, you wouldn't be posting info on energy blogs, no? You can have the credibility and look smart to your blog friends if you like. I'm exploring all options and taking any and all actions that may produce solutions to OUR problem, which is global energy/water scarcity. I find adv energy researchers are quick to criticize others and that makes it difficult for them to work with outside parties.
Todd (& Nora)
> Very impressive. The thing that puzzles me here is how can someone with your technical education and standing in the community fall for the technological gibberish of a Lawrence Tseung. Anyone with a halfway solid grounding in > physics knows the man talks rubbish. His so called theory is but a number of assertions unsupported by realty, his experiments are a scam, his data are made up and his background is mysterious, since nothing checks out so far.
>
> As to the indigenous projections of how the world is going to progress, well, these kind of statements and your belief in them aren't exactly the kind of thing that give you credibility in the eyes of most.
>
> Hans von Lieven
If you look at 6:30 into his wife Nora's video you will hear that she reported her findings to Rumsfeld himself and HE funded and started the program they have now. Funny how they would want it now after hiding it from us for over 40 years? Maybe they know that its real, that someone will hit on it eventually, and they want a piece of it this way???
But hey, compared to heck of a job Brownie, maybe Lawrence is a genius to them?
PS, you damn right I'm voicing my opinion, loud and clear.
Quote from: Ben Waballs on December 29, 2007, 09:10:34 PM
If you look at 6:30 into his wife Nora's video you will hear that she reported her findings to Rumsfeld himself and HE funded and started the program they have now. Funny how they would want it now after hiding it from us for over 40 years? Maybe they know that its real, that someone will hit on it eventually, and they want a piece of it this way???
But hey, compared to heck of a job Brownie, maybe Lawrence is a genius to them?
PS, you damn right I'm voicing my opinion, loud and clear.
Rumsfeld was interested in alternative energy - never specifically mentioned adv energy techs that are commonly identified as overunity. He's out as you know, but his Deputy SECDEF, Gordon England, is still there and is supportive of alternative energy R&D. There are many within DoD who are on your side in terms of open sourcing adv energy techs, and are doing everything possible to minimize our dependency on foreign oil. The office that heads R&D in energy for DoD is DDR&E - http://www.dod.mil/ddre/mainpage.htm. I believe cold fusion research is funded on a small scale through their office, though I'm still waiting for the first energy security task force meeting to determine what they're funding, what they're willing to fund, and how they feel about open source techs. TBD...
One would think that if the US gov. wanted to contribute to individual inventors needs at lower levels without major oversight needs, they could make a decent tax credit available to help inventors that have self funded their own projects over the past year. This would help self funded inventors that need some seed money to progress further and have a little reward for their efforts.
I think most inventors would favor this as long as it does not affect the ownership and control of the invention by the inventor (government would not have any ownership or control of the invention).
I wonder what act of God would be required to make that happen...
*snickers*, though you could ask the Energy Consensus Group directly if you want - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EnergyConsensus/ - as there are a bunch of people who post to that group with connections in the D.C. area.
Who else here thinks that , when the answer does come to us, it will be so simple as to not need any funding from ANY government.
Open source means; BY the people FOR the people. There used to be some other organization that followed the same thinking, we called it democracy, Look what happened to that!
We can thank the likes of Rumsfeld for the FEAR based society we all live in now. If you are singing his praises I have to ask, are you a freemason?
I have been accused of being a 'bomb making terrorist' because someone I work with saw me reading a book about Vicktor Schauberger with Implosion on the front cover. That is 'real' understanding of the World, for most people!
99% of the population have been tricked into thinking they are too dumb to do anything. Just leave it to the government to sort out and carry on recycling your TV dinner packaging so it can be sold back to you.
My point is, these criminals, who have been suppressing open thought for a long time, now know it is reaching a critical mass. So have changed tactics.
All of a sudden we have lots of NEW FRIENDS!
Go on, tell me that a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT will sort this mess out.
but what do I know, I am just a Newbie. (read my signature below)
Quote from: bourne on December 29, 2007, 10:40:45 PM
Who else here thinks that , when the answer does come to us, it will be so simple as to not need any funding from ANY government.
Open source means; BY the people FOR the people. There used to be some other organization that followed the same thinking, we called it democracy, Look what happened to that!
We can thank the likes of Rumsfeld for the FEAR based society we all live in now. If you are singing his praises I have to ask, are you a freemason?
I have been accused of being a 'bomb making terrorist' because someone I work with saw me reading a book about Vicktor Schauberger with Implosion on the front cover. That is 'real' understanding of the World, for most people!
99% of the population have been tricked into thinking they are too dumb to do anything. Just leave it to the government to sort out and carry on recycling your TV dinner packaging so it can be sold back to you.
My point is, these criminals, who have been suppressing open thought for a long time, now know it is reaching a critical mass. So have changed tactics.
All of a sudden we have lots of NEW FRIENDS!
Go on, tell me that a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT will sort this mess out.
but what do I know, I am just a Newbie. (read my signature below)
I am a theosophist if you HAVE to throw me into a box...
Regarding supporting our government, one decides whether 'We The People' can manifest positive change through government involvement or not.
If we can't work with our own government to create change, then it really doesn't matter what we do...the joys of living in a republic.
If you don't want to work with the govt, then work with whoever you can trust to bring adv energy techs to the public. If you feel that's still working with the dark forces, then find the nearest corner and rock back and forth until things magically change for the better.
*snickers*
Life in the U.S. is obviously becoming rather expensive to maintain our current way of life due to our dependency on foreign hydrocarbon fuels - see http://zfacts.com/p/461.html for the price of addiction to foreign oil.
We have to stand up and make positive change happen. No one else is doing it for us...gee, so what else is new.
I know what your saying but, it is the insistence that the Government has some god given right to be involved in everything.
Answer = Taxation.
Large numbers of people are waking up to the fact that things can be done far better and cheaper than what has gone before.
That is why this forum exists, is it not? That is why some inventors are bypassing the Patenting way of thinking. Patents only protect the potential to make profit. How many people have stood up in court, pointing their greedy little digit, saying "that was my idea. You owe me!"
Think of a world without money, where everyone gives more than is taken. The Whole world would be full of abundance, everywhere!
Impossible in the world we know, because of greed.
I am not government bashing
QuoteOnce funding is successfully distributed to these research projects, the technologies developed out of this initiative will monopolize what is becoming a trillion dollar alternative energy market.
It is all about control
QuotePower corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
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Regarding my background, I am a Nuclear & Counterproliferation officer with the Army, volunteering for DoD while assigned to the Univ of Maryland to bring them adv energy techs if they're interested, while also working to improve energy practices on bases so the need for hydrocarbon fuels is reduced. This effort helps secure independent study credit for a couple of the classes, which is why I can find time to volunteer.
At the Univ of Maryland I have to complete an M.S. degree in Nuclear Engineering by May 2009, which leaves a lot of time to do this since only a few courses remain for the degree, though I am also helping to establish the Energy Systems Engineering curriculum at UMD, and could obtain an M.S. degree in that program by 2009 if I keep a full load of courses each term including summer. Through 2012, I will be assigned to the Armed Forces Radiological Research Institute as a research reactor operator, a research reactor (TRIGA) similar to the one at UMD.
and:
QuoteHans,
We are in contact with Chinese officials who will be able to determine whether his claims are legit or not. Once that info is provided, appropriate action (or lack thereof) will be taken...promise.
G'day Todd,
I would have thought with the background you claim you would be able to ADVISE Chinese officials on the viability of Lawrence Tseung's ideas rather than relying on the words of communist party hacks that do not know a lever from a wheel.
Get real mate, if you claim who you are, you should be able to judge for yourself. Almost anyone here can.
Hans von Lieven
Todd is a well respected member of the New Energy Congress and has helped facilitate funding and goods for many inventors open sourced or non open sourced. many people choose to go open sourced...that is fine but others choose to go about using patents etc...not just for commercial reasons.
I an a few others in the new energy congress have travelled the world (45 flights this year for me including 22 internationals) seeking out technologies and trying to assist many to be further developed. Some require multi million funding and it is fair for an investor to seek some kind of return. Others have been assisted by Todd and myself with no strings attached. More often than not it leads to a dead end and the funding is lost. Thats ok thats the risk.
I often find many people want open sourcing for their own political agenda's...this is worse than greed.
Anyway just wanted to lend my support to Todd as I have seen how he has assisted many people over many years often at his own expense. I live in Australia Hans...and I am not sure why you dont reply to my emails but I wish you all the best.
Mark
I am sorry Mark,
I do not remember ever having received an E-mail from you. I am in the habit to respond to all mail except spam.
I do not know what went wrong. If you want to e-mail me at hans@keelytech.com I guarantee it will get my attention and you will get a reply.
I am sorry if a stuff up occurred,
Cheers
Hans
@ Hans:
Hey, I e-mailed you too and never received a reply. It was a letter about my uncle in Nigeria that has $15,000,000 he needs to smuggle out of the country into your bank account. For this service, you will receive a handsome fee. Ha ha. Just kidding.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 30, 2007, 01:56:08 AM
@ Hans:
Hey, I e-mailed you too and never received a reply. It was a letter about my uncle in Nigeria that has $15,000,000 he needs to smuggle out of the country into your bank account. For this service, you will receive a handsome fee. Ha ha. Just kidding.
Bill
Hi Bill
That reminds me to a unknown relativ from Liberia.He died vew month ago .But he was worth 12Mio only.
So i decidet to stay poor and leave the money with the natwest bank in london.
Better as to be poisoned.
excuse m lousy english.
Regarding to Todd i like to mention,that the Government of the future need to know everyone, who is able to develop
technics,that help to be selvesufficiant.Because the Governmemnt need to control the scene,as they are paid via each energy bill and cost of mobility.
That might be the reason,that now they start to collect Names and Adresses,by promising help by funds.Wherever they live in and out USA.The CIA is all over the world.
I dont trust Rumsfeld and his friends.
And here in my country we can find devils at the same quality.
Here ,the Universitys start to be payed by there Students.So you have to be rich to get high skills.
It develops that way,that good jobs are a privileg to the high socyity Members or other selectet individuals of a upper class or cirles.
The Government take taxes wherever they can.even each Day it rains.They take taxes from each sqauremeter of land,that you owne..And those with high income get tax - privilegs.
They employ and pay there attorneys to work out rules against the folks.They pay policemen to fight like Robocops without any sense of human rights, against opponents.
If the new worldorder means to become a slave to the Government,than i can find no need for that.
Open source ist only whappon to fight against underground buisness,as it is used by some sort of elite classes.
helmut
I think we can all agree that it'll be a bumpy ride ahead, regardless of how we proceed, and the more open source the better. I'm OK with zero government involvement, but the govt is us. Dr. Ron Paul is supported by more members of the military than all other condidates...my guy never seems to win any of the elections. Anyway, it's certainly one big soup sandwich our government, but it's the only one we have and you can't ignore it and expect the government to improve its ways. That's what most Americans do and it's making things worse, not better.
http://bensguide.gpo.gov/9-12/documents/constitution/index.html
todd.hathaway, the government is not us, it has not been us for over 100 years now. Our government as well as all others are ran by big money and big money is who controls us. We own nothing thanks to big money.
Quote from: nightlife on December 30, 2007, 08:34:38 AM
todd.hathaway, the government is not us, it has not been us for over 100 years now. Our government as well as all others are ran by big money and big money is who controls us. We own nothing thanks to big money.
Really, you think the government controls you? And you own nothing? You must not be living in the U.S. I mean, here you are, posting anti-government sentiment without the slightest fear of reprisal. And I bet you are doing it from a house you own, surrounded by a bunch of stuff you own. Now, if this was the Soviet Union in the 50s. . .
THINKING CREATES DESTINY.
See www.word-foundation.org
shruggedatlas, we dont own anything and we are subjected to losing everything at any given time. After we buy our home, we have to keep paying taxes to keep it and if we dont pay them, they take it away.
Our government is not for "we the people".
The devil you know? Does that mean you have to sleep with it? Do you want to spoon with the people who came up with this? I only see actions words are meaningless compared to the actions of an entity or person.
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Eminent domain (United States), compulsory purchase (United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ireland), resumption/compulsory acquisition (Australia) or expropriation (South Africa and Canada) in common law legal systems is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent. The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, economic development. The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are for public utilities, highways, and railroads.[citation needed] Some states require that the government body offer to purchase the property before resorting to the use of eminent domain.
The legal doctrine of eminent domain, like the doctrine of seizure of contraband, allows expropriation of property within the existing system of law. Otherwise, expropriation may imply either a criminal or a revolutionary act.
The term "condemnation" is used to describe the formal act of the exercise of the power of eminent domain to transfer title to the property from its private owner to the government. This use of the word should not be confused with its sense of a declaration that real property, generally a building, has become so dilapidated as to be legally unfit for human habitation due to its physical defects. This type of condemnation of buildings (on grounds of health and safety hazards or gross zoning violation) usually does not deprive the owners of the title to the property condemned but requires them to rectify the offending situation or have the government do it for the owner at the latter's expense.
Condemnation via eminent domain indicates the government is taking ownership of the property or a lesser interest in it, such as an easement. In most cases the only thing that remains to be decided when a condemnation action is filed is the amount of just compensation, although in some cases the right to take may be challenged by the property owner on the grounds that the attempted taking is not for a public use, or has not been authorized by the legislature, or because the condemnor has not followed the proper procedure required by law.
The exercise of eminent domain is not limited to real property. Governments may also condemn personal property, such as supplies for the military in wartime, franchises; this includes intangible property such as contract rights, patents, trade secrets, and copyrights.
Quote from: nightlife on November 11, 2008, 11:17:40 PM
shruggedatlas, we dont own anything and we are subjected to losing everything at any given time. After we buy our home, we have to keep paying taxes to keep it and if we dont pay them, they take it away.
Our government is not for "we the people".
You're anti-government?? No government and you would have chaos! If you don't pay your taxes who is going to pay the teachers to teach our kids, pay the police to protect us from crime?
Taxes should only be charged at the time of purchase and never charged after unless sold again.
So you are just against annual property taxes... I can understand that.. but we do need government and taxes of some form.
Quote from: 4Tesla on November 17, 2008, 01:06:06 AM
You're anti-government?? No government and you would have chaos! If you don't pay your taxes who is going to pay the teachers to teach our kids, pay the police to protect us from crime?
chaos is an excellent medium for growth.
i don't have any kids, why should i pay to school yours?
the police have never protected me from a crime, they are reactive, not proactive. i have a gun, and can 'protect' myself. i have no need of the police.
Quote from: shruggedatlas on December 30, 2007, 12:17:52 PM
Really, you think the government controls you? And you own nothing? You must not be living in the U.S. I mean, here you are, posting anti-government sentiment without the slightest fear of reprisal. And I bet you are doing it from a house you own, surrounded by a bunch of stuff you own. Now, if this was the Soviet Union in the 50s. . .
most US residents don't 'own' their homes even after they are payed off. allodial title is not recognized in the US except 2 'wild west' states as far as i recall, texas and nevada. same goes for your car. you don't hold the title, you hold a certificate of title, which simply certifies that a title exists but you don't have it. i'll give you one guess who does...
for those who care about their 'rights' research 'fee simple' and allodial titles.
the clothes on your back, yeah you own those, for the moment.
personal possessions, yeah you own those, for the moment, excluding most of your computer software.
this is USA in the 00s...
I feel like i have walked into Alex Jones's Kitchen :S
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 17, 2008, 08:08:58 AM
I feel like i have walked into Alex Jones's Kitchen :S
::)
know law or no law
Hi all,
I will give my vote of confidence to the gov when they make available all suppressed Letters of Patent or application of Letters of Patent to the world communities.
I will give my vote of confidence to the gov when they start talking PEACE instead of war.
I will give my vote of confidence to the gov when they dismantle the CIA, and all other secret organizations supposedly working to protect us.
I will give my vote of confidence to the gov when they dispose of the Federal Reserves and all central banks.
I will give my vote of confidence to the gov when the elections are representative of the PEOPLE and working for the PEOPLE.
I will give my vote of confidence to the gov when they stop promoting corporate greed instead of promoting social welfare.
I will give my vote of confidence to the gov when they stop controlling us and we get control over them.
So far I have seen no real and apparent good will from whatever government is in power toward change for the better. You might call me a pessimist but I do see the noose ever tightening its grip on us the PEOPLE. They are slowly dragging us in a depression so monstrous that they will be able to grab whatever we have left (not mentioning the massive dying of the oppressed). They still use WAR and TERROR for the control of natural resources. Petrol, there is enough discovered to last us 500 years.
Those in power will resist change at any cost as it would spell DOOM for them. They control Science and Research for their welfare, not ours. So the money they invest in Free Energy is for selfish reasons and not for the advancement of HUMANITY. I want a public library filled with all the applications to Letters of Patent, Letters of Patent and all accompanying models, replications and texts made available to ALL, not just to the brown nose researchers. All researches, all archives from SKUNK PROJECTS must come to light. SECRACY MUST STOP.
I could go on for days and years on suppressed technologies, OPEN SOURCE is the only way to go if we are to get this rediscovered science back on track. The first thing we must change is put back the NEGATIVE ENERGY into Dirac's equation and stop pretending it doesn't exist. Science must acknowledge that electricity is everywhere and in unlimited quantity, the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE. We must acknowledge that our science is skewed and must be redefined for the better understanding of this UNIVERSE. Change will not come from the top so it has to come from US. That is why these forums exist. That is what I believe in and all the naysayers should go get a life somewhere else. Critics we need, naysayers we don't.
Take care all,
Michel
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2008, 06:17:56 AM
chaos is an excellent medium for growth.
i don't have any kids, why should i pay to school yours?
the police have never protected me from a crime, they are reactive, not proactive. i have a gun, and can 'protect' myself. i have no need of the police.
::)
G'day all,
I think this thread is no longer relevant. Major Hathaway has gone and Lawrence no longer talks about it. The rest is as off topic as it can get. Time to lock it up.
Sorry guys
Hans von Lieven