Captain Coler is alleged to have built a device called a Magnetstromapparat, which, using only coils magnets and capacitors could generate up to 12 volts. This was allegedly investigated by the British Government, and was the subject of a Government report. Has anyone attempted to duplicate this, or know of any duplication? If you go to http://angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hanscoler.htm you will see a photo of a replication. The builder obviously went to a lot of trouble. But results are "unknown". Any comments on this?
I am a bit surprised that there has been no interest in this. It occurs to me that this device is the basis for the TPU, and is worthy of further research. Also, it might be easier to start and adjust this thing by feeding a signal from a signal generator at an appropriate frequency.
@neptune
I tried a replication of the Stromerzeuger. The information out there is very sketchy. The premise that the electron is a south pole doesn?t seem to conform to physics. Here is a link to a couple videos I did trying to understand the concept. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qII_gsz-7ec and http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0qBCHjai7Os&NR=1. I do agree that his experiments and the tpu are one in the same. I am still working on the theory.
Cam
G'day Neptune,
I think the reason why you are not getting any big response is not that people here are not interested, it is just that this magnificently built replication of the Coler device does not tell us anything new. The circuit diagram shows exactly the same.
What is needed are data. Without data it is just a pretty picture.
Does anyone know who built this?
Hans von Lieven
no, but I do know that this company: http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/
apparently has this patent application: http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/pdf/MPI-patentapplication.pdf
which anonymous sources say is strongly related to the Coler devices... ;)
Might be interesting to check out?
Doesn't even look like it's very difficult to replicate...
But as for the Coler devices, no, don't know who built that version.
There's quite some speculation on them, but so far no really succesful replications have been reported... as far as I know.
I think they are in fact more complicated than they seem to be in the descriptions, because the described setup
is quite simple, and should have been easily replicated many times already... My guess is that the description is not
entirely complete, that Coler knew some things from hands-on experience that he didn't actually describe...
Hi,
I know this is an old post but I am looking for the English patent translation of the Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat. I have studied the details available on the net and some unsuccessful replications and would like to have a go at it. I have the German patent but my very limited German knowledge is far from enough to make sense of the text and the translation software too crude for such work.
Thanks and take care all,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on January 12, 2009, 07:06:20 PM
Hi,
I know this is an old post but I am looking for the English patent translation of the Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat. I have studied the details available on the net and some unsuccessful replications and would like to have a go at it. I have the German patent but my very limited German knowledge is far from enough to make sense of the text and the translation software too crude for such work.
Thanks and take care all,
Michel
I suppose the German patent you have is the one with the old German "Reich" stamp on it?
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that is the only patent ever granted since he did his research
during the Reich period.
The only English version I know of are the documents produced by the British intelligence
agency, which is not a patent paper at all, but rather a report of the interrogation and
detailed description of Colers devices. It is said that Coler actually built at least a version
of his Magnetstromapparat for demonstration purposes.
Anway, here is a link to a pdf containing full English descriptions of Colers Magnetstrom-
apparat and his Stromerzeuger: http://www.rexresearch.com/infolios/colerbios.PDF
And here is a zip-file with the same info: http://www.rexresearch.com/zip/coler.zip
I hope this helps?
Are you planning to build a test version?
If so, it would be very interesting to hear how that's going. :)
Oh, and if so, do keep in mind that when old 1940s texts mention
"permanent magnets", like in this Coler work, they often mean
"permanent" iron magnets, which were quite common before
we started mass producing ferrite, alnico, and neodymium
permanent magnets. Coler seems to use "permanent magnets"
with wires attached to them, which would seem to imply that
the magnets themselves are electrically conductive, and that
seems to imply the magnets were made of iron or alnico,
but certainly not of ferrite. And they didn't have neos yet in his day.
Just some stuff you might want to keep in mind when attempting
replication... ;)
Regards,
Koen
@Michel,
Doe the German patent discuss the Magnetstromapparat or the Stromzeuger? If it's the Stromzeuger then I'd be happy to type it into google's translator and make a translation that way. The Stromzeuger is very important to me due to the similarity of the testatika's magnet circuit. Where can I find the patent?
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
! Steven,
The one I am looking for is the Magnetstromapparat, the German patent shows completely different design with shunts and a make/break that are not shown in all the sites I have visited. I have not seen a patent for the Stromzeuger.
I want to try it because I think I may know why it's working and how come the hexagon. I was told that the Magnetstromapparat looks similar to a snowflakes and the magnetic flow should be projected outside of the hexagon and that it would not work with neo so I am making iron magnets to test the theory. I saw one nice reproduction but the guy made it too nice with metal and copper traces all over the board and also he did not use the deflecting magnets in the center of the hexagon.
A software translator won't work, the phrases don't make much sense.
Take care,
Michel
More pictures.
Interesting... I never heard of "deflecting magnets" in the
center of the setup...
Can you please post a link to that German patent?
I want to take a look at it, see if it is indeed something
that does not appear in the other websources...
The odd thing is that the setup as described in those British
papers is claimed to have actually been built by Coler and
tested by several electrical engineers, and it is claimed
to have actually worked as Coler said it would.
If that setup is indeed different from what is described in the
patent, then I wonder how essential those central "deflecting
magnets" really were...
As for the Stromerzeurger, it was claimed to produce a huge lot
more output than the Magnetstromapparat, so in that respect
it would appear to be more usefull than the latter, which only
put out very little.
Unfortunately I do not know of any patents on that, nor of any
other info besides that given in the British documents on Coler.
I have discussed it with a few other interested people and it
has been suggested that the Stromerzeuger worked on the
basis of magnetic "diode" effects that obstruct charge flow
in one direction, which would allow the transformer type
coupling to use the back emf to stimulate charge flow in
the second layer of plates and magnets and vice versa,
thus resulting in a self-oscillating circuit. How that could
ever produce over unity is a mystery still. ;)
@ Koen1,
The Stromerzeurger looks very much like the Tesla radiant energy device but instead of caps, Coler used magnets.
Link for the German patent:
www.rexresearch.com/coler/de680761.pdf (http://www.rexresearch.com/coler/de680761.pdf)
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on January 13, 2009, 10:29:35 AM
More pictures.
I think the one at the top is George Hathaway's replication. He got a few milliamps, probably from the mains.
One feature that most "replications" of Coler's device have, is that they are built TOO WELL. I think that Coler's original probably had one or more bad solder joints that introduced, shall we say, non-linearities into the circuit's behaviour.
@Koen1,
Re the energy source of the Stromzeuger, this is stated in the UK report:
" 4. It is then stated that as well as the normal electrons flowing from the battery and from induction when the circuit is opened or closed, "space electron" flow from "repelling spaces" to "attracting spaces" between the plates, but this theory I was unable to follow any further."
I read that to say Coler was saying that ZPE was being tapped in between the plates to produce charged particles ("space electrons".) In the testatika magnet circuit, the equivalent of Coler's plates would be the combination of disk and grid-like plate facing the disk.
My reason for greater interest in the Stromzeuger over the Magnetstromapparat is as you say, because of the larger output. Sadly, the description is far more confusing.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
@TinselKoala,
That was exactly my impression, to nicely done. We did a crude test with 6 horseshoe magnets stringed in an hexagonal setup and a pancake coil outside and got around 0.5 v from it so the theory seems sound. The wooden setup (in More pictures) uses cow magnets as you can see the rounded ends, the new ones are alnico.
http://www.magnetsource.com/Solutions_Pages/cowmagsAlnicoPill.html (http://www.magnetsource.com/Solutions_Pages/cowmagsAlnicoPill.html)
I'll try the iron, neo and probably the alnico cow magnets since they are cheap. The diference would probably be in the size of the hexagon. I wont solder or drill the neo as they can produce toxic fumes, just warping the end of the wire on the magnets will be good enough for tests.
Take care all and thanks for the inputs.
P.S.: I have read all what is available on the net including the coler.zip.
Quote from: Michelinho on January 13, 2009, 10:51:01 AM
@ Koen1,
The Stromerzeurger looks very much like the Tesla radiant energy device but instead of caps, Coler used magnets.
Link for the German patent:
www.rexresearch.com/coler/de680761.pdf (http://www.rexresearch.com/coler/de680761.pdf)
Take care,
Michel
The device in this patent is a sort of inverter. It uses two sources of DC (batteries in this case) and produces AC. This is NOT the Coler device that the British authorities talk about. In fact it is difficult to see why Hans Coler's name appears in the patent at all. There are no magnets in the device nor are there coils. V1 and V2 , here drawn as resistors represent the load, the rest is simply an arrangement of potentiometers and a couple of batteries.
Hans von Lieven
Thanks Hans for the info.
So it is really not related, the original patent application was filled in 1923 and this one in 1937-39. That makes sense.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: neptune on January 31, 2008, 01:48:38 PM
Captain Coler is alleged to have built a device called a Magnetstromapparat, which, using only coils magnets and capacitors could generate up to 12 volts. This was allegedly investigated by the British Government, and was the subject of a Government report. Has anyone attempted to duplicate this, or know of any duplication? If you go to http://angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hanscoler.htm you will see a photo of a replication. The builder obviously went to a lot of trouble. But results are "unknown". Any comments on this?
He hase constructed also
one of 750 watts.
1942 one with 7500 watts,
(that powered house and labor in Berlin)
and an 75kw (100ps) one in Penemünde
that was working and ready to replace
gasoline motor in aircraft,
The end of war, hase stop this (to win the war)
(possibly good so), but all the constructions "are gone"....
Pese
QuoteHe hase constructed also
one of 750 watts.
1942 one with 7500 watts,
(that powered house and labor in Berlin)
and an 75kw (100ps) one in Penemünde
that was working and ready to replace
gasoline motor in aircraft,
The end of war, hase stop this (to win the war)
(possibly good so), but all the constructions "are gone"....
Pese
WOW, great info, you are a real human encyclopedia pese. Thanks a lot. I read also that from his work came a Konverter for the Haunebu series of disc aircraft, so it had to be good.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Steven Dufresne on January 13, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
@Koen1,
Re the energy source of the Stromzeuger, this is stated in the UK report:
" 4. It is then stated that as well as the normal electrons flowing from the battery and from induction when the circuit is opened or closed, "space electron" flow from "repelling spaces" to "attracting spaces" between the plates, but this theory I was unable to follow any further."
Yes, this is something I have discussed with others at length, although we did not reach solid conclusions.
In old electrophysics books that describe vacuum tubes etc mention is often made of "space charges" that surround the cathode as a sort of cloud,
and are attracted to the anode by application of a positive potential on the latter. This "space charge" is generally confined to a specific "space charge
zone" in the direct vacinity of the cathode, and the cathode does not need to be "hot" but can also be "cold". "Hot" cathodes do have the tendency
to emit more electrons into surrounding space, and depending on how hot it is more or less of these will be emitted (and fall back to it) and also
surround the cathode in a "cloud" of "free" electrons.
Now the odd thing is that some old books clearly consider the electrons emitted from the cathode, the ones surrounding the cathode in a cloud,
before ever being attracted by and moving toward the anode, to be the "space charge".
However, some other books clearly consider the
"space charge" to be something distinctly different from electrons emitted by the cathode. In some treatises, it would appear that the author
is convinced there is an actual electrical charge that comes from space itself, and that somehow concentrates charge in a region when the
potential differences are strong enough.
Like I said, we never reached any solid conclusions, but it is certainly very interesting discussion material. ;)
QuoteI read that to say Coler was saying that ZPE was being tapped in between the plates to produce charged particles ("space electrons".) In the testatika magnet circuit, the equivalent of Coler's plates would be the combination of disk and grid-like plate facing the disk.
Now that is also very interesting.
I am sorry to say I am not so familiar with the Testatika that I follow what disk and plate you are referring to.
The thing regarding magnets in the Testatika that I am familiar with is the horseshoe magnet with a stack of plates
seperated by dielectic set in between the horseshoe legs... I still wonder what exactly is going on there, but
it is said that applying AC to a coil around the horseshoe can produce high voltage DC output from the plates...
But that does not appear to be what you're talking about...
If you feel like elaborating a little, I'd sure appreciate it. ;)
QuoteMy reason for greater interest in the Stromzeuger over the Magnetstromapparat is as you say, because of the larger output. Sadly, the description is far more confusing.
Yes Steven, I agree cmpletely. :)
And in this context,
@Pese:
Are you sure it was a version of the Magnetstromapparat that produced 750 to 75000 Watt?
To my understanding, the Magnetstromapparat was the weaker of the two devices and
only ever produced very low energy output, and if I am not entirely mistaken Coler even
mentioned that the Stromerzeuger was a very powerful setup that could easily power
a household...
But perhaps you have more and more detailed information?
If so, please do share it with us? :)
Thanks!
Kind regards,
Koen
@Koen1,
Thanks for pointing out "space charges" in vacuum tubes. That's the nice thing about these discussions with people with difference backgrounds, especially since Hans Coler lived back when vacuum tubes were more predominant than they are today. I am glad to see that there was still some question as to where the space charge came from.
Regarding the correlation between the testatika's magnet circuit and Hans Coler's Stromzeuger, I just drew up this diagram (about time, since I've been mentioning it in places for some time now.) For future reference, I also added a page about it at:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/testatika_and_hans_coler.htm
but the page doesn't add any details.
Oh... and I noticed you spell is Stromerzeuger and not Stromzeuger. Is there any reason for that? My German is limited.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
The correct word is Stromerzeuger from Strom (literally stream or flow) commonly used to describe electricity and erzeugen meaning to create.
So the translation would be "electricity creator".
The word zeugen has multiple meanings ie. to witness or the creation of offspring by the male. The word Stromzeuger would imply a male creating electricity with his dick, something I don't think Coler had in mind. ;D ;D ;D
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 14, 2009, 02:07:26 PM
The word zeugen has multiple meanings ie. to witness or the creation of offspring by the male. The word Stromzeuger would imply a male creating electricity with his dick, something I don't think Coler had in mind. ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D Thanks Hans.
So if I make a replica of the Stromerzeuger producing electricity then my father would be a Stromzeuger, in a way... ;D
Sorry, couldn't resist. Luckily you pointed this out in time for me to modify my diagram.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Lol :D yeah thanks Hans. I was going to compare it to
the difference between "create" and "procreate" or
between "current spring" and "current offspring" or something,
but your explanation is very clear. :)
Not surprising, you're a native speaker, I'm just a neighbour. ;)
@Steven: Thanks for that picture, now I see what you meant.
It does seem like certain elements of the two devices are
somewhat similar, indeed.
If we just look at the Coler plates and inductive couplings,
and compare them to the Testatika, there seem to be several
comparable elements although they do appear to be connected
differently.
The Coler Stromerzeurger setup has two capacitive elements,
the two sets of plates, which could in the Testatika be represented
by the two "leyden jar" capacitor cans. (They're not really leyden
jars but what the hey) Colers plates clearly have a large air contact surface,
and use air as dielectric. The Testatika "can caps" as far as I have
seen pics and read about them also have a large air contact surface
(a perforated metal or even mesh "secondary plate") and also use
mostly air for dielectric.
The Testatika horseshoe magnet and dielectric stack elements would
at first glance seem to be somewhat similar in that they combine a
most likely iron permanent magnet with inductively fed oscillations,
and a form of capacitor. The placement of the parts in regard to
the magnetic field geometry is different, though. The Coler plates
do not appear to be placed inside the magnetic field of his magnets
like the Testatika stack is.
But the idea that a permanent magnet is used with a coil wrapped around it
and current allowed to run through the magnet, that seems to be similar.
And this still makes me think that there is a sort of magnetic "diode"
effect happening in both of these magnet-couplings. As I imagine it,
the magnets are used as "transformer" (or at least "inductor") cores
with a bias due to their own magnetisation, which allows current to
flow in one direction more easily than in the other simply because
in the one direction the flux generated by the coil is aligned with the
pm's flux, while in the other direction the coil flux is opposed to that
of the magnet.
And then of course there are the interesting results of spark experiments
that showed that sparks in air seem to be able to "jump" a larger gap
than they normally can, if the spark is allowed to "jump" from one
conductive permanent magnet to another, but only from the N pole
of the one to the S pole of the other. (Or was it the other way around?
Well, in any case, in the one direction the sparks can jump a larger
gap than they should be able to, and in the other direction they jump
a smaller gap. Clearly a magnetic field has an effect on how easily
electric charge can jump a spark gap, while the magnetic and electric
fields run parallel to eachother. Yes, I know, this is not in any of the
books, according to the books there is only a perpendicular relationship
between the A and the B field... But then again, according to those
same books, neither the Stromerzeuger nor the Testatika should
be possible. ;) And I've seen the experiments that show the increased
gap discharge... )
How exactly such a "diode effect" (I'll just keep calling it that untill someone
comes up with a better term) could produce increased output I'm not
entirely sure about yet, but it would seem that this effect occurs in both devices.
Another interesting thing which may be used here, although admittedly it
seems more clearly related to the Testatika than to the Stromerzeuger,
is something quite typical of old Leyden jar capacitors: they can store
negative charge (electrons) only on their inner "plate", if stored on the
outer "plate" the charge dissipates. However, positive charge is consistently
stored on the outer "plate". Nothing really spectacular, you'd think,
since we all know that light impacting a conductor tends to charge
the conductor positively. (Tesla made quite a fuss about this for a little while.)
But there's some old experiments which remarkably enough seem to
have never found their way into the books, which use a Leyden jar to
increase circuit efficiency to 100% and over, if the old reports are correct.
I couldn't find the extensive report I've read on the experiments right now,
but here's a link to a very brief description of the same: http://www.rexresearch.com/yablotch/yablotch.htm
Mind you, in the extensive report I read quite a while ago clear info
was given regarding the voltages and efficiencies measured by expert
witnesses of the day.
And of course we all know we can make an "electron pump" as long as we have
a couple of diodes, a capacitor, and a pulsating or alternating source of charge.
I think both the Stromerzeuger and Testatika use a combination of these effects
to build and maintain a high static charge and to have that oscillate to operate
a form of "electron pump", while adding as many efficiency increasing tricks
as possible. And both are most likely designed to operate in a certain specific
range of harmonically resonant oscillations, which helps in building the
charge levels and maintaining operation.
so much for some of my thoughts there. :)
Regards,
Koen
Quote from: Koen1 on January 15, 2009, 08:11:44 AM
@Steven: Thanks for that picture, now I see what you meant.
It does seem like certain elements of the two devices are
somewhat similar, indeed.
If we just look at the Coler plates and inductive couplings,
and compare them to the Testatika, there seem to be several
comparable elements although they do appear to be connected
differently.
Hmmm... My diagram was aiming to point out that they are connected the same. Perhaps the right side of the diagram showing the wiring of the testatika wasn't visible? You have to scroll the diagram horizontally to see it. You can also turn off the overunity.com advertising bars on the left and right by going up the the menubar and clicking minus, '-', signs just to the right of the menubar. You should be able to see most, if not all of the diagram. In the testatika drawing on the right, I've labelled the parts M1... M4, F1, P1, F2, P2 to make it easier to compare to the parts in the Stromerzeuger that are labelled the same.
From experiment, I know that the plates in between the horseshoe magnet legs will act as antennas if there is any high voltage fluctuation nearby. There could be hidden connections that to the plates that do it directly but I don't like to speculate about hidden connections much. These plates would then induce this into the coiled wires. So these plates could take the place of the two coils in the Stromerzzeuger. They would induce the current flow in the wires.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Hmm... I guess I forgot to mention that in the huge rant I posted above ;)
but yes, that is indeed very much along the lines I was thinking.
The coils around the horseshoes plus the metal horseshoes themselves plus
the plates in between might indeed serve the same or at least a very similar
purpose as the inductive coupling of the Stromerzeuger.
Oh, and yes I did see your schematic on the right, and I find your
interpretation very, if not to say very, interesting indeed. ;)
My rant was not so much meant as an alternative interpretation
as it was meant to simply offer a few angles to look at this.
It has been suggested by several people that the Testatika uses
naturally radioactive rocks/minerals as power source, somewhat similar
to the Moray valves, and this is claimed to be plausible since Baumann
was apparently an avid amateur geologist and rock collector...
Although that may be possible and if true would actually make the
functioning of the device a lot less mysterious, I am not sure about this.
What do you think?
Oh, and perhaps we should move a bit closer to the topic of Coler again soon? ;)
Regards,
Koen
Quote from: Koen1 on January 15, 2009, 09:37:28 AM
Hmm... I guess I forgot to mention that in the huge rant I posted above ;)
but yes, that is indeed very much along the lines I was thinking.
The coils around the horseshoes plus the metal horseshoes themselves plus
the plates in between might indeed serve the same or at least a very similar
purpose as the inductive coupling of the Stromerzeuger.
Oh, and yes I did see your schematic on the right, and I find your
interpretation very, if not to say very, interesting indeed. ;)
My rant was not so much meant as an alternative interpretation
as it was meant to simply offer a few angles to look at this.
Alternative interpretations are great. The nice thing about the testatika is it's complexity lends it to many correlations and interpretations. :)
Quote from: Koen1 on January 15, 2009, 09:37:28 AM
It has been suggested by several people that the Testatika uses
naturally radioactive rocks/minerals as power source, somewhat similar
to the Moray valves, and this is claimed to be plausible since Baumann
was apparently an avid amateur geologist and rock collector...
Although that may be possible and if true would actually make the
functioning of the device a lot less mysterious, I am not sure about this.
What do you think?
Yup, I agree about the possibility. There are even some photos that seem to show the mountain crystals that may be a source of the radioactivity, either always or only when stimulated.
Quote from: Koen1 on January 15, 2009, 09:37:28 AM
Oh, and perhaps we should move a bit closer to the topic of Coler again soon? ;)
Getting back to the "diode" effect of the magnets, as you call it. Looking at the Stromerzeuger, if you simple replace the magnets with diodes then this makes a lot of sense. It's just that sending the current through magnets and using steel, possibly magnetizable, wires makes some sort of difference. That brings up notions of using spin or getting energy from spin, ...
I tried an experiment once with this in mind. See attached. The perforated cylinder with air gap and coil inside is a hybrid of testatika pots ("leydon jars") and Coler's F1, P1, F2, P2 plates. The wires coiled around the magnet legs are iron and are stiff. They are connected to the preforated cylinder and coil and are in fact holding them up in the air. The preforated cylinder is magnetizable steel. The iron wire is magnetized, being an extension of the magnet, and the perforated cylinder is also magnetized, being an extension of the wire. All that was intentional. The plates in between the magnet legs are connected to the oscillator circuit sitting on the table behind the magnet. I'm tryed to take the output off of the other end of the coil and perforated cylinder. No interesting results were found when measuring either voltage or current while tuning the oscillator (range of about 200MHz to 440MHz.)
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
PS. Oscillator was: http://rimstar.org/equip/oscillator_mcpos400plus.htm
Nice pic Steven :)
I've checked out your site to see more of your experiment pics;
nice site too :)
Seems to me there is definately something going on with the older
(iron) magnets and these setups of Roy Meyers, Coler, and the Linden Experiment...
Although I must admit I have trouble following the reasoning behind the
Meyers setup with the bent zinc plates...
Common elements though seem to be
1) old style (iron) "permanent" magnets,
2) electrical connection between the magnet(s) and coils wound around them,
3) using iron wire for both this connection and the coils around the magnets
4) electrical wire connection with plates that are inside magnetic field
5) magnet's pole "ends" and "field lines" run parallel to the metal plates used
in all of these devices, and not perpendicular (not sure if that has anything to
do with it but I get the feeling it does)
I get the impression that they all use iron wire coils wrapped around iron
"permanent" magnets so that the atoms in the wire fall into resonance
with those of the magnet. Not saying they get tuned to the same frequency,
but they probably form a resonant coupling of sorts.
Coler is said to have used an electron model that takes the electrons to be not
only the carriers of negative electric charge, but also of "South magnetic monopole"
"charges".
I suppose that may, in a way, be considered similar to "up spin" and "down spin"
electrons. Or, in a less clear version, similar to Leedskalnin's "opposing simuktaneous
North- and South- magnetic monopole streams".
Since the quantum-Hall-effect showed that a current consists of about 50% "up spin"
and about the same number of "down spin" electrons moving in the same direction,
it may be hypothesised that currents are also possible that consist of only one type
of these. These currents would then not be "normal" currents as they only consist
of one "magnetic polarity" (spin of the electrons), and might possibly also not produce
exactly the same effects that a "normal" current does (which after all consists of equal
parts of particles that partially have eachothers anti-characteristics).
It is also conceivable that the two components do not move in the same direction but rather
in opposing directions, in which case the magnetic "polarities" could align but the electrical
charge vector is zero.
It would seem that treating electrons as magnetically polarised particles can lead to some
interesting views that seem to link into the Coler, Meyers, and Baumann experiments.
It also seems like they are indeed using direct iron wire connections to and coils
around iron magnets to achieve a sort of resonant magnetic coupling between the
electrical circuit and the magnetic circuit, which cause electrons to flow and result
in a DC voltage.
Unfortunately I am no closer to figuring out how exactly all this works, I just have
a few more hunches. ;)
@Koen1,
I agree with what you're saying. For years I was using aluminium and copper for everything since they are most readily available and I was interested in experimenting with electric fields and ignoring magnetic and electromagnetic fields. Naturally, wherever I had electron flow, I had magnetic fields but they were not a part of my designs. After noticing that Hans Coler used steel wires physically attached to his magnets and Meyers' use of iron attached to magnets and the stiffness of the testatika wires (and bare steel wires in some places and magnetizable material on the disks) and some inklings of ideas from WSM, I started to think in terms of manipulating electron spin in my electric fields. So my most recent testatika, the above Coler, and my current Hyde generator make use of magnetizable steel instead of aluminium and even iron wires in places. Who knows, maybe if I'd only used different materials over the years I would have had something by now? Actually, my first hint that it might be important was when I noticed the the steel wires on my small testatika machine had become magnetized from use.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
G'day Koen and Steve,
I have done some work on devices that use magnets, iron wires and radioactivity. I looked at Roy Meyer's device when I was investigating Stubblefield and that opened up a whole can of worms. Have a look at Http://keelytech.com/stubblefield.html it might give you a few ideas.
It's not a paper as such just a collection of my posts in the earth battery thread, so it's a bit disjointed in places.
Hans von Lieven
@ Koen1. In your post of January 15 you mention the ability of a magnetic field to influence the ease with which a current can jump a spark gap. I can quote 2 examples of this. In an old book I read about arc welding, the operator is warned not to weld in such a way that the arc is aligned in a north-south direction. This will cause Wild-arc , described as a large arc that is difficult to controll.[ Earth magnetic field?] On electric vehicles, relays or contactors that switch high DC currents are fitted with a magnetic device to extinguish the arc as the contacts open. So it looks like established science.
Thanks Hans. Any interesting tie-in between Meyers and the Faraday disk.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Thanks for the infos, Hans as well as Neptune :)
MPI inc has recently published this in their website,
an article in which Coler is mentioned extensively.
... although they still haven't released their "Genie device"
which they claimed was going to produce free energy...
But the Coler stuff may be worth a read:
http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/6kwGenerator.html
@all
Anything of value in this? http://expliki.org/wiki/Coler-Energie-Konverter (http://expliki.org/wiki/Coler-Energie-Konverter)
tak
Hi tak22,
The schematic you posted is the stromerzeuger. The magnetstromapparat is different as it does not use a battery to be energized. There is little known about either device, no patent or other info exist beside the MI-5 released papers.
I have started a thread on the magnetstromapparat in the "Special coil-magnet setups" section of the forum.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6646.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6646.0)
I'll add information and results when I am done testing that unit.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: tak22 on February 17, 2009, 07:57:33 PM
Anything of value in this? http://expliki.org/wiki/Coler-Energie-Konverter (http://expliki.org/wiki/Coler-Energie-Konverter)
As the caption to his diagram implies ("Reconstructed generators, where the BIOS Report understandable"), it's very hard to understand the description in the report for the Stromerzeuger. Without trying it, it's hard to say.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
Does anyone know anything about where to find the actual original source document to verify that the BIOS report is real? I cannot seem to find anything online showing any link to any source, only non-MI5 and non-BIOS websites all talking about the device(s). In addition I cannot find any official records about Hans Coler other than the known information. In fact the only document I have ever seen that shows Hans Coler existed is the German patent which is unrelated to the Magnetstromapparat and Stromzeuger. Where are the records of him? Any help would be appreciated. Do not get me wrong I definitely think these devices can/would work. I am merely interested in more information as I plan to replicate the Magnetstromapparat.
I've read through the threads here (now almost four years old) and was suprised that nobody mentioned the comments made by the late Dr. Harold Aspden on this device, see http://haroldaspden.com/lectures/07.htm (http://haroldaspden.com/lectures/07.htm). I've been browsing through the miscellaneous papers on Aspden's website, since I think he was a brilliant theorist who also understood the practical side of patenting and thus developing inventions.
I don't know if there is any new info from any of the people posting here on these two Coler devices, but I wanted to note the Aspden contributions.