Hi,
I received this email message from Dave Doleshal and
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Dave?s comments to Jack Durban?s interview text are in red color.
Hello Stefan,
Dave Doleshal here,
I wrote you a response a few weeks back regarding the interview with Jack Durban, even though I had not yet actually had the time to read the interview directly. I?ve been preoccupied with other matters for a while. However, I have now had a chance to read the text, and can offer a little more precise response. My comments are in red, Jack?s are in black. In case I didn't make it clear in my previous response, you are welcome to post both that response and this one to you list:
JACK: "I worked with Steven Mark and could share some interesting info. I met him 1996 when the main video was made. I met all the players and took over a couple of his projects. I am an accomplished inventor and product developer. See http://www.vorel.com (http://www.vorel.com) or do a patent search on 'Jack or John Durban'." (March 14,
Jack Durban
Jack Durban
Yes, this picture looks like Jack, though I haven?t seen him in a decade. As per my earlier comments, Jack Durban is for real. He is a very intelligent and highly skilled man in the electronics field, with numerous patents, accomplishments and projects under his belt. When last I knew him, I thought very highly of him both in terms of his professional competence and his ethics. I doubt there are very many people in the world today who are as good at things like circuit design or prototype development as Jack. That was my opinion a decade ago, and I?m quite sure ten more years of real world practical experience has only improved upon his already excellent abilities. He is for real, and he did observe the TPU in operation at last once, as he says.
On March 16, 2008, Jack Durban wrote:
A little background on who I am and why I remained silent for over a decade.
I have been an avid inventor and product developer since I was a kid. I was drawing detailed engines and mechanisms by age 9 and just had a knack for looking at a product and finding faults in the design. In school I spent all my time drawing machines and basic circuits. I worked on my first patent in High school and it issued in 1977. Since then I have developed over 200 products that cover several industries. I currently hold 21 patents that have issued or are pending published applications. As a product developer I have prepared dozens of patents for clients and read thousands of patents during searches over a quarter century now. I have seen it all when it comes to technology and I have an open mind which is rare in my field. I have designed and worked on alternative health devices like the RIFE machines and even worked with Barry Lynes the author of "The Cancer cure that worked". I designed the world's first Brainwave analyzer to measure correlates of I.Q. with Dr. John Ertl a brilliant PhD in Cybernetics. I am putting this out there to say that I have always entered into any design or design evaluation task with eyes wide open and no preconceptions.
All of the previous paragraph seems like accurate information to me.
JACK: ?The reason why I didn't come forward sooner was due to an NDA I signed back in '96. As one who makes a living working with invention, patents and is a caretaker of others intellectual property, I have to be very careful in discussing anything of a sensitive nature. Although all NDA's have to expire by a certain date, I waited an extra 8 years just in case Steven ever surfaced again.?
Once more, accurate information, so far as I know.
JACK: ?I have seen several so called free energy devices, and all without exception were failures. Not all were fraudulent. Some were just not well understood by their creators as not meeting the requirements of producing over unity power or work.?
Once more, all accurate, so far as I know. Jack is simultaneously open-minded and skeptical, a rare combination. It would not have been easy to put one over on him. He?d seen several fake free-energy devices in his time, had a pretty good idea what kind of tricks could be used, and was alert for any trace of such fakery. Even so, he evidently couldn?t find any.
JACK: ?When I was approached by M.M. to work with Steven Marks, I wasn't overly excited after years of seeing these all crash and burn, but I was again all ears. When I saw the devices work and was able to rotate the units 90 degrees without loss of output power, I felt a chill go over me like seeing a ghost. You see I know Tesla's works as he is one of my heroes like Edison and others. I fully understood the impact of being able to rotate the device without performance depredation. The gyroscopic sensation felt when moving the device made it clear to me instantly that the coils displaced about the perimeter of the device were switching in a quadrature fashion like stators in a motor yet there were no mechanical devices in the unit. It became clear that there was a lot of current flowing from winding to winding.
I was not present for this event, but I later talked with both Steven and Jack about it. For what its worth, the details given here seem to be accurate. I?m not sure what is meant by quadrature fashion (as I often have to tell people, my electronics and engineering knowledge is limited). However, this feeling that the device is somehow spinning rapidly as if it were a gyroscope is a sensation these real TPUs do create when you hold them. And as Jack points out, it is somewhat startling since there does not seem to be any kind of literally spinning wheel contained within the device. When you touched it, the sensation was reminscient of the old style power sanders that vibrated rapidly and intensely. However, the device was silent when in operation. What, if anything this might reveal about the inner workings of the device, I?m afraid I am in no position to guess.
JACK: ?The device worked and the video is real. It was shot at a mansion that Steven rented in Lemon Heights California. Steven's face does not appear in the first videos but I did notice that he does appear in the one on youtube that shows potential investors. He always wore an all black suit and shoes even when doing basic lab work. It was part of the facade.?
Also accurate information. As far as the suit, ties and shoes, yes that was a little personal quirk of his. He liked to dress that way, even as a teenager. As far as dressing that way when doing lab work, I can?t verify that. Steven usually changed into old clothing appropriate to the task when working on a car, fixing a fence or doing any electrical work. To call it a ?fa?ade? seems a little uncalled for. I don?t see any grounds to criticize him on this, nor do I see it as being relevant to the nature of the technology.
JACK : ?The sad thing is that Steven was a bit of a hustler. He received millions from several investors, and never delivered the end product. Steven spent wildly on a lavish lifestyle. The seemingly sophisticated test equipment one sees in the videos was in fact a collection of audio and video gear. It was all purchased for audio development on Steven's so called 3D audio theater system that was shown at CES in 1996 or 97.
One thing I had not appreciated until I read this interview was that there seems to be MUCH animosity between Jack and Steven. This apparently developed since last I had any involvement with either of them. It is hard to comment on what this is about. Last I had anything to do with any of this, I was trying to help Jack and Steven put together a deal for producing the TPUs round about 1996. That deal never went anywhere, but at least at that time, the two of them were getting along fine, and each seem to have a high enough opinion of the other they were willing to work together. Obviously the situation between them has deteriorated considerable since then.
JACK: ?I have no doubt that Steven was not the true inventor of this device, as he was not technically savvy enough for such a feat. His only technical background was working on televisions and cars.?
I must confess it surprises me to hear Jack say this. Although Steven was not a university ?trained engineer, he was very talented and creative where technical matters were concerned. I have no explanation for Jack?s attitude. Jack clearly has some extreme venom against Steven. Perhaps it is mutual, but if so, I have no specific information about this. As far as Steven having been the inventor, I have no reason to doubt this. He was obsessed with the idea since 1974, believed Tesla had built such a thing early in his career, and felt it was possible to replicate such a thing. He tried a lot of things over the years that didn?t work, chasing down every lead he could, including reading every bit of Tesla material he could get his hands on. For a long time he had the idea there was some natural frequency of the earth (approx 6.8 hz) that contained a huge amount of power, and if one could only tune into it as one would a radio station, it?d be a source of free energy. He built all kinds of receivers trying to do this, but they never worked. Eventually he gave up on that angle and started trying other things. For a couple of years he was doing things like grinding up gem-quality rubies for some reason I never understood. That was a very expensive set of experiments, but evidently they led nowhere. Years later, round about 1988, he started making the device that later ended up being called TPUs. It is possible he met somebody who gave him a device or revealed the secret to him, but if so, I can?t imagine who that would be. If so, why haven?t they come forward? It has proven thus far impossible for any of us to gain even a clue about what this thing is or how it works. Thousands of people have sweated through all the Tesla books and materials and other so-called Free-energy material out there, and grilled every eccentric and crackpot who claims to have such an invention, but we have all come up empty-handed. So are we to believe there was someone wondering around Southern California in the 1980s giving away the secret to people for free, yet we find no trace of them now? Who could that have been? Anything is possible, but somehow I find the notion a bit hard to swallow without some solid evidence.
Jack: ?I met Steven in 1996 when my company was hired by MM, Steven's boyfriend at the time, to replicate the device's capabilities by any means possible. At First I thought he was trying to find out if there was another quick way to produce the same result with an alternative approach, but I later realized he was likely looking for a second design that he could pawn off on investors so he could retain the original design."
Although I wasn?t present for this meeting, I have a few relevant comments. As I understood it, M.M. stole one of Steven?s units and started taking it around to various engineers without Steven?s permission. It was M.M. not Steven, who wanted to try to reverse engineer the TPU. By this time, Steven had already built at least a dozen of these things himself. So far as I know, most of the engineers reacted about like Jack did. They were evidently convinced it was real, but had no clue how it worked. I don?t know what kind of tests Jack did with it, but it seems clear his was not able to look inside, nor take it apart.
After Steven found out what MM had done, he was furious. However, he did want to talk with Jack about it later. My understanding of Steven?s interest in Jack?s feedback was not about trying to reverse engineer it, but on trying to get ideas about how to do a more convincing demonstration for potential investors. I say this only because of what I saw SM do with several other engineers. The problem seemed to be this: He would show the device to investors, and they would say, ?Yes, but how can we be sure it isn?t fake?? Since few of them had enough tech savvy to evaluate it for themselves, this was an impasse. They?d say they wanted Steven to give them a device, let their engineers dismantle it figure out how it worked before they?d give him any money.
Steven was unwilling to let them do this. Mainly his concern was that once they knew the secret, what was to stop them for revealing it to others, or making their own devices? Things like NDA agreements are not very powerful legal devices. They work fairly well between honorable men with good intentions, but they don?t do much about inscrupulous people wanting to steal an idea. And it?s hard to prove in court that somebody revealed thus and such information to so and so, especially when they did so privately and deny it.
What he seemed to want was for engineers to tell him how such a reputed device could be faked, and then arrange his future demonstrations so as to rule out that possibility. (How do you show it isn?t full of batteries, isn?t just a receiver of broadcast power from a nearby transmitter or powerful magnetic coil hidden in the wall, etc).
JACK: ?There were many, many investors pouring in money like there was no tomorrow in the hopes of getting their hands on what appeared to be the holy grail of free energy.?
I don?t know if this is actually true. Steven received a lot of money for other projects, but the way I always remember it, his frustration was he couldn?t get money for this device. People were reluctant to invest, as discussed above. They either weren?t sure it was real, or else were afraid that even if it was, it might be such a hot potato they?d never be allowed to manufacture it and sell it. My understanding was that he did eventually sell the rights to someone, but it was for a fraction of what he figured it was worth. Who exactly that was, and what they did with it (Evidently nothing, else we wouldn?t be here trying to figure it out). What Steven told me a decade ago was that part of that deal included that he was not to reveal any technical details about how it worked to anyone, ever, and that is what he intended to do. He told me then he had lost all interest in the matter, and so far as I know, that is so.
That being the case, I am very skeptical of people that tell me they have been in contact with Steven and he has told them such and such. I have been contacted often over the years via email by people claiming to be the real Steven Mark, but when I start asking them questions only the real SM would have the right answer to, they always fail. So do be careful.
JACK: ?There was a reason beyond the endless supply of investment dollars that kept the technology from ever being delivered, and that was the fact that the device only ran for so long before it shut down due to overheating, which averaged 20 minutes or so after it was activated. He was very frustrated with the thermal issues, but every time I came up with a solution he would say he would check it out, but nothing ever came of the remedies. He would never allow me to take the unit apart or do any dissecting at all.?
Again, perhaps accurate information. However, long before he met Jack, Steven said it would be simple enough to just have a device consisting of two or three such units sitting next to each other. As soon as one got close to overheating, just have it automatically shut off and have another take over. Seems simple enough. Whether he ever built one like that, I don?t know.
Jack: ?The design was quite simple. There were two sets of windings arranged in a fashion that very closely resemble the Tesla patent 381,970 circa 1888."
I confess I am not familiar with this particular patent. I know Steven scrutinized everything Tesla ever wrote, at least everything he could get his hands on, including all the patents. I know that because I was often the one who dug things out of the library and brought them to him. There was no internet in those days. Far as I know, Tesla never patented or published the secret of his supposed free-energy devices. Perhaps Tesla did so in some veiled way, and Steven discerned some clue the rest of the world has missed. If so, I have no clue what this may have been. However, as I believe I have mentioned before, Steven always did say he believed his own device was basically a reconstruction of what Tesla had once made, or at least operated on the same general principles. Also relevant is that Steven used to say he believed Tesla?s device was something Tesla invented before the mid 1890s, based on such knowledge of physics and such electronic equipment as existed then, not after things like quantum physics or solid state electronics were available. He use to laugh when he heard people speculating about elaborate things that could tap into other dimensions or such, insisting all this came from humbler more mundane origins. What, if anything, that may reveal about the working of the device, I have no clue. But I do think it interesting Jack is here suggesting the device was at least partially inspired by a Tesla patent of 1888.
Jack: ?There were two large chokes and polypropylene caps that appeared to be an output smoothing function. My Instincts told me that the choke and cap pair was a tuned tank, but knowing how little electronics knowledge Steven had, I could not see him being capable of doing any tank tuning, and there was no grid dip gear around. I'll be releasing more information as I get time."
Other than reiterating I find it strange Jack should be so disparaging of Steven?s technically abilities, I have no comment on this passage.
JACK : ?Oh one little side note among many in this interesting moment in time was Steven?s use of a magnet to activate the device. This was just a ruse. The magnet, a cheap Radio Shack magnet at that was deployed only as a means of closing a simple Reed switch that closed the primary circuit. Steven thought this would throw off those who viewed live demos, as he was well aware that many potential investors were bringing their top engineers with them.?
I confess I don?t know what a reed switch is, but I?ve seen plenty of simple magnet activated switches, so such a thing is hardly amazing. I?m not sure it was a ruse, but I am sure it offers no clue as to the inner working of the device. Steven did take pains to obscure how it worked. If he thought he was giving away some secret, he?d have never let this be filmed. Some of his devices worked merely by flipping an ordinary off/on switch. If these is real feature of the device, it?s probably more like the ability to push start an automobile. It works, but it reveals little about how to build a car.
JACK: ?I am thinking about writing a screenplay on this, as there is much, much more to the story, including , crimes and misdemeanors. I have been sitting on this story for over a decade now.?
Perhaps not a bad idea. It is probably the only way Jack or I are ever going to make any money off this event. I won?t deny there was what at least some people might consider outrageously scandalous sexual behavior going on amongst some of the people involved. So far as I knew, Jack was never a part of this, being a happily married heterosexual and who probably had little direct info about the juicier aspects of it all. However, in all fairness to some of the parties involved, and to clarify some of the statements I made in haste earlier, I don?t want to imply that everybody involved in the companies connected with all this were involved in sexual misconduct. Some were, some weren?t. The general pattern seemed to have been it was the Church-going, squeaky-clean, conservative, ?respectable? bankers and accounting types with billboard resumes that went around lecturing everybody else about morality that were fucking around on their wives, lying to the spouses and fucking their employees. On the other hand, the ?Hollywood-types? with their counterculture reputations who you might expect to be the one behaving scandalously who were the honest ones who behaved properly and who were to decent ?family men? who behaved properly and who had nothing to hide. Good luck on that one, Jack. You can count on me to by a ticket that that show, even if nobody else does. Just remember the redhead was Vanessa, the blonde was Monique, and the brunette was named Kim. Make sure you don?t confuse them. And remember, Tatiana was Russian, not a Ukrainian, and she is real particular about that point.
And all this, of course, have no bearing whatsoever on the workings, technical aspects or validity of the technology in question, does it?
In a (later?) post, Jack said:
?For some odd reason I just thought it was time to tell the story that few have ever heard. Perhaps it was seeing all the pretenders making up stuff about the man and the machine only to profit themselves from the legacy.
I did secretly release some secrets to Keely net a few years ago and they agreed to keep my name a secret.
Now after 11 years I no longer am concerned about breeching anyone?s confidence. NDA?s only last so long!
I hope you have an open mind as the technology did indeed work.
As one who was often hired to debunk so called over unity devices I was very fortunate to play with the device and work on a couple projects with Steven both power and audio related.
I should tell you in advance that I have a pretty good idea as to how it worked but I do not know enough to build it without spending some serious time in the lab which.
Not much to add here beyond what I already said. The only relevant point seems to be that despite Jack?s apparent hatred of Steven Mark, which you?d think would make him want to dismiss the possibility the technology was real, Jack seems to steadfastly insist it had to have been real, even though he doesn?t seem to have any more of clue about how it worked than the rest of us."
I suppose that is the thing that still intrigues me about the whole affair. There were times I figured it just had to be fake. But, as with Jack, I had seen a lot of these so called free energy devices, and all of them were fairly transparent fakes. That was obvious even to me. Yet they threw very brilliant and competent electronic experts at this TPU, quite determined to debunk it, and even after ten years no one can expose it as a fake or explain how it was done. Usually a good stage magician can detect fakes of this sort even better than scientists and engineers can. But even after ten years, none of them seems able to debunk it. Perhaps next week, or next year one will step forward and do so. I for one would be relieved. But until they do, all I can say is that if this was a fraud, it sure as hell seems to have been a good one.
On March 20, 2008, Jack Durban wrote:
"I would like to add the following...
This was part of an email of 20 March 08, between myself and one of the respected elders in the movement to reproduce the SM Device. This email is redacted and only shows one question of many and my position on Steven Mark to clarify my motives in this matter.
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Let?s examine this situation.
If there ever was a man deserving of some knocking it is Steven Mark. I understand that you guys are walking on egg shells with this guy with the hopes that he will someday reveal the final formula; but there is little reason to believe beyond hope and despair that he ever will reveal the final answer."
As I have said before, so far as I know, Steven has lost interest in all this years ago, and whatever deal he made forbid him to ever discuss this secret with anyone, so I doubt he ever will.
JACK: "Megalomaniacs like Steven need an audience to feed their narcissistic appetite. To give anyone the final keys to making the device work would be cutting the umbilical cord to his adoring fans. All he could gain from such an act is a thank you. Remember, Steven knows how to make these already. If he wanted to help you or anyone else he could have without hesitation long ago."
Again, apart from his personal grudge against Steven, I have to agree with his main point. I think if Steven intended to reveal any secret about this, he?d have done so long ago. I have no reason to suspect he?s interested in doing so now.
JACK: There are several others doing this and are well beyond where Steven is. Once he realizes this watch how quickly he comes forward to help when his obsolescence becomes a self realization and his fan base loses interest."
An intriguing possibility. Who are these people? What are they doing? If Jack knows them, why is he worried about what Steven does or did? Why not try to get them to come forward? What can they tell us?
Steven made at least a dozen or so devices prior to 1994 or so. I have no idea who has them now. He made them several years before he met Jack, probably beginning in the late 1980s. Maybe one of them will turn up?
JACK: "The reason I came forth yesterday was to tell the truth about what I experienced while working with Steven Mark. Contrary to some of the less than friendly posts regarding my inability to shed any light any light on the technology beyond what is already known, I never represented that I possessed or would reveal anything of a technical nature that would further any development underway. If I had I certainly would have finished the device myself.
What was a payoff? None for myself. Most of the feedback I received publicly was negative. The only payoff I can hope for is that if a guy like Steven Mark, a hustler and tinkerer with less than extraordinary intellect was able to reproduce this free energy device there is hope for others to replicate this device also as many others have to date."
Again, if Jack knows of ?so many others? who have replicated this device already, why waste our time on SM? How about revealing who they are, or trying to get them to come forwards?
Well, I guess that?s it for now. If I had anything worthwhile to reveal, I?d have revealed it long ago.
Best wishes and good luck.
Regards,
DAVE DOLESHAL
Hello all,
@Stefan, Mr. Dolezal
thank you veeeery much.
Otto
Oh, this is great, thank you Dave.
This confirms so much for me, and yes Lindsay was in contact with Steven Mark, Tesla played a part, and Schumann is where it's at !!!!
I'll buy a ticket to that show as well ;D
EM
I live with a technical writer im sure she'll edit for free ;D in return for an enjoyable read. ;)
Joe
Before the mid 1890s, Tesla patented a slew of ever-improving rotating magnetic field devices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_patents
Funny thought: what if the secret lies wholly in the control circuit, and the elaborate coil arrangement is the ruse? Maybe only the collector wire is needed to collect whatever field the control circuit (including that funny little inductor sitting on top) is generating?
I am still experimenting with Tesla's original rotating field apparatus configuration, which I should add is no longer used in modern motors. If something interesting happens, I'll post it somewhere on this forum.
Eldarion
I'v studied these patents and been working on wich patents need to be put together to make the unit work and have only found 2 working circut patents that will operate the coil in patent 381,970. one was the redesign od the condensor patent that farady made and tesla improved and repatented it. here some things that i go by in the operation of the coil from Kron and Bedine.Ã, ----quote-------------
[/pre]Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, The very next thing to do is to stick a paddlewheel into the river, this is where we stop for we have just created a open system to the paddlewheel, everything from the shaft to the generator to your load is now in a closed path, but the river is "FREE" and "OPEN" What Electrical Engineers do is take the output of the river and bring it back to the input of the river and then pump the hell out of the paddlewheel to keep the river moving. "This is called closing the loop". With this type of system you can NEVER GET A >COP of 1 orÃ, BETTER<. The source is " Natures Open System"Ã, ."You walk around in this system every day and fail to see how it works". What does this mean for electrical circuits, It Means you can never collect anything that you do not pay for, for you are forever pumping that river. The Universe is a open system, a continually running river. All you must do is find where to put the paddlewheel and not close the loop.
Kron, Gabriel.Ã, Ã,“Now a value E of the negative resistances, at which the generator current becomes zero, represents a state at which the circuit is self-supporting and has a continuous existence of its own without the presence of the generator, as the negative resistances just supply the energy consumed by the positive resistances. (If the circuit contains inductors and capacitors, the circuit is a resonant circuit and it oscillates at its basic frequency.) Ã,… When the generator current is positive the circuit draws energy from the source, and when the current is negative the circuit pumps back energy into the source.Ã, At zero generator current the circuit neither gives nor takes energy, and theoretically the generator may be removed.Ã,†Gabriel Kron, Ã,“Electric circuit models of the Schrödinger equation,Ã,†Phys. Rev. 67(1-2), Jan. 1 and 15, 1945, p. 41.
Kron, Gabriel. "...the missing concept of "open-paths" (the dual of "closed-paths") was discovered, in which currents could be made to flow in branches that lie between any set of two nodes.Ã, (Previously Ã,â€" following Maxwell Ã,â€" engineers tied all of their open-paths to a single datum-point, the 'ground').Ã, That discovery of open-paths established a second rectangular transformation matrix... which created 'lamellar' currents..."Ã, "A network with the simultaneous presence of both closed and open paths was the answer to the author's years-long search."Ã, Gabriel Kron, "The Frustrating Search for a Geometrical Model of Electrodynamic Networks," Journal unk., issue unk., circa 1962, p. 111-128.Ã, The quote is from p. 114.
Kron, Gabriel. .Ã, "When only positive and negative real numbers exist, it is customary to replace a positive resistance by an inductance and a negative resistance by a capacitor (since none or only a few negative resistances exist on practical network analyzers.)"Ã, Gabriel Kron, "Numerical solution of ordinary and partial differential equations by means of equivalent circuits."Ã, Journal of Applied Physics, Vol. 16, Mar. 1945a, p. 173.
When the generator current becomes zero the circuit is self-supporting as the negative resistances just supply the energy consumed by the positive resistances. When the generator current is positive the circuit draws energy from the source, and when the current is negative the circuit pumps back energy into the source this is known asÃ,†open-pathsÃ,†and Ã,“closed-pathsÃ,â€. That discovery of open-paths established a second rectangular transformation matrix... which created 'lamellar' currents. This circuit usesÃ, positive resistance by an inductance and a negative resistance by a capacitor.Ã,Â
Ã, read this carfully and see what you come up with .
@motorcoach
Would it be fare to say that the river is the stream of neutrinos that the energy of the Earth pumps around itself and through itself creating the magnetosphere and near magnetic fields. And that the pump is the spin of a very large #of potential energy carrier's sometimes referred to as atoms and more specifically the electrons. The Earth then becoming a giant unipolar generator that we are able to collect energy from by putting a galvenometer to. The paddlewheel in the river or a raceway on the side.
Here is another answer I received by email from
Dave Doleshal:
Hello Stefan,
Sorry to take so long to respond to your most recent questions, but I have been occupied by other matters. Please publish this on your list as well.
As far as a phone conversation with you, perhaps in the future, but it would not work for me just now. But I?ll respond as well as I can to the issues raised.
Regarding my visits to Europe, specifically France, to meet with the supposed originators of the TPU, I?m afraid I have nothing of value to add. I did indeed go to Europe during the early 1980s at SM?s request, attempting to chase down several leads related to such technology, none of which were fruitful. One person claiming to have such a device in London seemed to me to be seriously mentally ill, and had nothing to back up his claims. He had elaborate diagrams of a device he was sure would work, (the result of inspired ?visions?). But he admitted he had never managed to build one. The diagrams indicated a structure of 1000 nested coils, each 20 centimeters in diameter and containing a larger number of turns of wire than the previous one. The idea was that the number of turns was supposed increase by squaring the number of turns of the previous coil. For instance, the first coil consisted of two turns, the second four turns, the third 16 turns, etc. He expressed an elaborate and difficult to understand mathematical theory to explain why this would work. However, there were two problems. One was that in his diagram, the fourth coil was shown as consisting of 272 turns of wire. By my calculations, 16 x16 is 256, not 272. Most of the rest of his calculations were equally flawed. Secondly, if the diameter remained the same but the number of turns has to increase exponentially, the final size of this device would be astronomical. By the time you got to the 1000th coil, you?d probably be using up more meters of wire than existed in all of Europe.
My contacts in mainland Europe were not much better. One in a small German town had one of the now infamous ?over unity devices? that became so popular a decade later. These are the circuits that create massive random, but very brief high voltage spikes of electricity and bizarre patterns of output. Since ordinary voltmeters are made to detect DC or fairly regular sine waves, feeding them peculiar patterns with microsecond bursts of 5000 volts will confuse the device, and make them give false readings suggesting the power output is outrageously higher than it really is. Nearly of the so-called ?over-unity? devices I have seen since seem to be a variation on this German device, even when their inventors insist they are not.
Although I am of the opinion Steven?s TPU operates on the same or similar principles as something Tesla built in around 1890, (SM often talked as if he believed this was true, saying he believed his device replicated Tesla?s work) and suspect such devices may have been floating around in Czechoslavokia or other parts of Europe prior to WWII, and perhaps still are, I never found any direct evidence for this, neither during that trip to Europe or on any other occasion.
In short, (except in the sense that Steven?s device may indeed be a modern rendition of what Tesla himself made), any claim that SM?s TPU was something he ?copied? from someone else, or stole from some earlier unnamed inventor in Europe or elsewhere is simply nonsense. Far as I can tell, he really did create it himself, and anyone who thinks they have evidence to the contrary is imagining things. It is nothing more than idol speculation based on absolutely no factual evidence.
All of what Jack Durban has to say about prototyping and his own supposed assistance to SM in developing this device is nonsense. SM already had working devices as advanced as any shown in the various videos for many years before he met Durban, whatever Durban may think. As for other matters:
(Jack Durban said): ?Steven established by actions that he did not trust anyone around him including myself. He could not go to anyone for help without revealing the technology and creating unintended competitors. He was on his own.--------- After meeting Steven I immediately detected some quirky personality traits and a real sense of paranoia??
This is a true statement. It would be fair to say an aspect of Steven?s personality is that he is not particularly trusting of his fellow human beings, especially not when they behave suspiciously, and vast sums of money are at stake. Perhaps this is a character flaw. However, others might call it simply being realistic. Since as Jack himself seems to admit, Steven was at that time surrounded by people claiming to be his friends, but who were even then talking seriously amongst themselves about planning to break into his house and steal his technology. Given that he was surrounded by sharks, SM efforts to shroud what he was doing in secrecy and a fair amount of obfuscation is easily understandable. To call this paranoia seems to be going way too far.
As far as Durban claims that the 3-D audio technology was not real or involved ?hidden? speakers in the walls of a ?blue carpeted room,? he again Durban reveals his complete ignorance of the matters of which he speaks. The 3-D audio was never demonstrated in a ?blue-carpeted room.? (The blue carpeted sections of the theatre that eventually ended up in Jack?s facility were used only for entirely unrelated purposes. Durban was retained to help with some other, minor and less sophisticated audio devices the company wanted to market, but he never completed them. The 3-D audio system did make use of elaborate, difficult-to-create and very non-intuitive manipulations of ?white? noise to generate some very interesting 3-D dimensional sound effects. However, Jack was never directly involved with this project, and so far as I can tell, doesn?t seem to have even the faintest notions of what it was about. I?m flattered by Jack?s statements that I was the master mind behind this technology, and Steven contributed nothing to it, but that was the way it happened. Steven really is much smarter that Jack is willing to give him credit for. And, and I have, mentioned, neither this audio technology nor the company that owned it had anything directly to do with the TPU technology.
To me, the puzzling question has been why Jack seems to have so much venom towards Steven, so much so that he is willing to make up outrageous lies about him. However, one of these later posts, Jack seems to address the issue directly:
(Jack speaking): ?So anyway as I sit here after another 16 hour day designing the same old consumer electronics products day in and day out, year after year, making millionaires more millions I feel nothing but failure and disgust in myself looking back fin failing to get this life saving technology to market all because of greed and vanity. Steven Mark could have made this technology available at any time he chose to and for some reason did not. It was not because it did not perform as touted. I can assure you it did.?
If we take Jack?s words literally here, and I see not reason not to, it sounds like poor Jack is a very unhappy person, dissatisfied with his lot in life. He specifically says, ?I feel nothing but failure and disgust in myself?? If so, I am sorry to hear this. I always thought Jack was a fine man, with a lot going for him and plenty to look forward too ? high intelligence, a great family life and a successful career. But if he feels unhappy and feels like he is a failure, then that is how he feels. If this is true, I don?t wish to judge him too harshly. I have had many dark moments in my own life, times of deep despair and hopelessness, and I feel sympathy to anyone in such a state.
However, it would seem that for a number of reasons, Jack blames Steven for his own lack of success in achieving some of his own goals. This apparently accounts for his intense vendetta against Steven.
Jack does admit some things that I find very disturbing:
(JACK SPEAKING) ?Why did I not observe more of the inner workings of this device or try to steal it? It wasn?t mine to take. And as dopey as it sounds I was honest and couldn?t muster up what it took to just steal it. And as stated I had no reason to believe that my dealings with Steven would cease.
Now, against my better judgment and the fact that it is very late I am going to elaborate on the break in that was planned by MM and another individual that I will identify only by his initials D.K.
M.M. and D.K. and I met after the demise of Extreme Technologies and funding to keep the needed cash flow to keep Steven funded. In light of Steven isolating himself after the fallout I expected that we would be discussing ways to replicate the device mostly based on my observations and M.s shopping lists. Not long after determining that M. had little memory of what he bought for Steven when going to radio shack for supplies it was apparent that we were up a creek and bye-bye free energy.
Then it was proposed by D.K. that we just break into Steven?s house and steal one. Seeing how comfortable M.was with this option it was apparent that they had discussed this prior to our meeting. I made it clear in no uncertain terms that this was not an option and that I would not participate in any way in such a plot. I even said to both of them that if I were to hear of such an event or if ever questioned that I would testify against them. I told them that I was not going to have my kids visiting me in jail in an orange jumpsuit.
I did not hear back from them and just carried on as if they clearly understood my ultimatum. More than a decade went by and I never heard from either one of them.
There was indeed a break-in to Steven?s house in 1996, and the culprit did manage to get away with one of the larger TPU units. This upset Steven a great deal. So far as I know, this unit was never recovered. If we take Durban at his word here, and as before, I see no reason not to, this is a very serious admission. He clearly implicates MM and this ?D.K.? in the theft. D.K is not the initials of anyone I can think of who was hanging around during this era, but Durban obviously knows who he was. This is important because it implies this D.K., whose identity is known to Jack, has (or at least had) a working TPU. Who is this person, Jack? Although Jack seems to clearly attempt to exonerate himself from any wrongdoing in the matter, I am not so sure a court would see it this way. If you were involved in the planning and discussion of a crime to be committed, and keep quiet about it such that the criminals get away with it, doesn?t that make you an accomplice? I?m not a lawyer, but to my mind, doesn?t this imply a significant degree of guilt upon Jack. (So who has this unit now?)
Jack goes on to say something else that seems rather revealing:
?I have not been completely honest with you guys except for two forum members that I have been fortunate to call friends and confided with that know the whole story? On my own initiative and no one else?s I purposefully with forethought went on a character assignation mission against Steven in an attempt to flush him out of possible hiding?I just assumed that Steven, if alive would pop up to defend his honor against my groundless personal attacks but I fear that either he is no longer with us or he is not allowed to make contact. This explains why David Doleshal was taken aback by my many barbs against Steven.?
This seems to be to core of the matter. Note that Jack admits the things he said were GROUNDLESS PERSONAL ATTACKS against Steven. I don?t know if people reading this list understand the full implications of it. Jack clearly acknowledges all the slanderous and libelous lies he has been spreading via internet for several years about Steven are just that ? slanderous lies. I realize that this may lead some people to condemn Jack and disregard the few small shreds of technical information he may have to add. Although Jack?s approach seems like a stupid, underhanded and unethical tactic, I would urge people not to write Jack off entirely. In some of my earlier posts, I?ve clearly said I think Jack is not only very bright guy, but a man of high integrity. Tempted as I initially was to revise that opinion downward when I first saw Jack stooping to slander, libel, blackmail and character assassination, I don?t retract that opinion. I still think Jack Durban is a very intelligent guy and a man of high ethical standards. Though I thoroughly disapprove of his methods, I must at least admit he was acting from what seems like an admirable intention. I too would very much like to see this technology made available to the world, and will confess to feeling great regret and frustration over the fact that all my own paltry efforts in that direction ulitmately amounted to nothing. If I were in Jack?s position, I might well have done something equally distasteful. If there was something I thought I could do to make this happen, I?d have done it. If it involved doing something a little dishonest and underhanded as Jack has done, I can?t say I wouldn?t have given into the temptation? if I thought it might work I empathize with you Jack, I just wish you hadn?t resorted to anything so harsh and dishonest.
Perhaps this is just a personal sore spot for me, and I am over reacting. But please understand, this opens an old wound for me. Steven was my very good friend since we were teenagers. He wasn?t perfect, but he never claimed to be. But none of us are, least of all me. Steven and I went through a lot of hard times together, and he often helped me through some very rough days in my life. He was there for me when no one else was. The unpleasantness surrounding this whole TPU incident basically marked the end of my relationship with him, and I have not seen him in many years. If in fact he is no longer among the living ? a distinct possibility, that is a sad thought for me, and it only made it worse to see his name being slandered and ridiculed on false pretenses all over the world.
Any way Jack, despite the nastiness and unpleasantries, it is good to know you?re still out there. I think you did a good thing by publishing the video. It?d be good to see you again some time. Get together, shoot the bull, talk about old times and what might have happened if the world had gone differently. I wish you the best, and greater happiness in the future. Don?t blame yourself this TPU never got to market. It was not our fault. The ball was never really in your court, or mine.
And to the rest of the folks on this list, I would reiterate what I have said before. The issues of personality and character are not very relevant or helpful in this matter, much as many people seem to insist they are. Whether Steven had been a saint or a devil, neither wouldn?t say a thing about the value or workings of the technology. I suggest we all pull together, pool such shreds of knowledge and hints and clues about the technical aspects as we may have, meager though they may be, and try to solve the mystery, if we can. Tesla evidently did it. Steven seems to have done it. Maybe together, we can eventually do it again. If anyone really knows, anything, come out, come, out, wherever you are. If I had more to contribute on this, I would do so, but sadly, I have nothing else.
Regards,
Dave
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Quote from: hartiberlin on May 30, 2008, 01:03:28 AM
Here is another answer I received by email from
Dave Doleshal:
All of what Jack Durban has to say about prototyping and his own supposed assistance to SM in developing this device is nonsense. SM already had working devices as advanced as any shown in the various videos for many years before he met Durban, whatever Durban may think. As for other matters:
(Jack Durban said): ?Steven established by actions that he did not trust anyone around him including myself. He could not go to anyone for help without revealing the technology and creating unintended competitors. He was on his own.--------- After meeting Steven I immediately detected some quirky personality traits and a real sense of paranoia??
This is a true statement. It would be fair to say an aspect of Steven?s personality is that he is not particularly trusting of his fellow human beings, especially not when they behave suspiciously, and vast sums of money are at stake. Perhaps this is a character flaw. However, others might call it simply being realistic. Since as Jack himself seems to admit, Steven was at that time surrounded by people claiming to be his friends, but who were even then talking seriously amongst themselves about planning to break into his house and steal his technology. Given that he was surrounded by sharks, SM efforts to shroud what he was doing in secrecy and a fair amount of obfuscation is easily understandable. To call this paranoia seems to be going way too far.
As far as Durban claims that the 3-D audio technology was not real or involved ?hidden? speakers in the walls of a ?blue carpeted room,? he again Durban reveals his complete ignorance of the matters of which he speaks. The 3-D audio was never demonstrated in a ?blue-carpeted room.? (The blue carpeted sections of the theatre that eventually ended up in Jack?s facility were used only for entirely unrelated purposes. Durban was retained to help with some other, minor and less sophisticated audio devices the company wanted to market, but he never completed them. The 3-D audio system did make use of elaborate, difficult-to-create and very non-intuitive manipulations of ?white? noise to generate some very interesting 3-D dimensional sound effects. However, Jack was never directly involved with this project, and so far as I can tell, doesn?t seem to have even the faintest notions of what it was about. I?m flattered by Jack?s statements that I was the master mind behind this technology, and Steven contributed nothing to it, but that was the way it happened. Steven really is much smarter that Jack is willing to give him credit for. And, and I have, mentioned, neither this audio technology nor the company that owned it had anything directly to do with the TPU technology.
To me, the puzzling question has been why Jack seems to have so much venom towards Steven, so much so that he is willing to make up outrageous lies about him. However, one of these later posts, Jack seems to address the issue directly:
(Jack speaking): ?So anyway as I sit here after another 16 hour day designing the same old consumer electronics products day in and day out, year after year, making millionaires more millions I feel nothing but failure and disgust in myself looking back fin failing to get this life saving technology to market all because of greed and vanity. Steven Mark could have made this technology available at any time he chose to and for some reason did not. It was not because it did not perform as touted. I can assure you it did.?
If we take Jack?s words literally here, and I see not reason not to, it sounds like poor Jack is a very unhappy person, dissatisfied with his lot in life. He specifically says, ?I feel nothing but failure and disgust in myself?? If so, I am sorry to hear this. I always thought Jack was a fine man, with a lot going for him and plenty to look forward too ? high intelligence, a great family life and a successful career. But if he feels unhappy and feels like he is a failure, then that is how he feels. If this is true, I don?t wish to judge him too harshly. I have had many dark moments in my own life, times of deep despair and hopelessness, and I feel sympathy to anyone in such a state.
However, it would seem that for a number of reasons, Jack blames Steven for his own lack of success in achieving some of his own goals. This apparently accounts for his intense vendetta against Steven.
Jack does admit some things that I find very disturbing:
(JACK SPEAKING) ?Why did I not observe more of the inner workings of this device or try to steal it? It wasn?t mine to take. And as dopey as it sounds I was honest and couldn?t muster up what it took to just steal it. And as stated I had no reason to believe that my dealings with Steven would cease.
Now, against my better judgment and the fact that it is very late I am going to elaborate on the break in that was planned by MM and another individual that I will identify only by his initials D.K.
M.M. and D.K. and I met after the demise of Extreme Technologies and funding to keep the needed cash flow to keep Steven funded. In light of Steven isolating himself after the fallout I expected that we would be discussing ways to replicate the device mostly based on my observations and M.s shopping lists. Not long after determining that M. had little memory of what he bought for Steven when going to radio shack for supplies it was apparent that we were up a creek and bye-bye free energy.
Then it was proposed by D.K. that we just break into Steven?s house and steal one. Seeing how comfortable M. was with this option it was apparent that they had discussed this prior to our meeting. I made it clear in no uncertain terms that this was not an option and that I would not participate in any way in such a plot. I even said to both of them that if I were to hear of such an event or if ever questioned that I would testify against them. I told them that I was not going to have my kids visiting me in jail in an orange jumpsuit.
I did not hear back from them and just carried on as if they clearly understood my ultimatum. More than a decade went by and I never heard from either one of them.
There was indeed a break-in to Steven?s house in 1996, and the culprit did manage to get away with one of the larger TPU units. This upset Steven a great deal. So far as I know, this unit was never recovered. If we take Durban at his word here, and as before, I see no reason not to, this is a very serious admission. He clearly implicates MM and this ?D.K.? in the theft. D.K is not the initials of anyone I can think of who was hanging around during this era, but Durban obviously knows who he was. This is important because it implies this D.K., whose identity is known to Jack, has (or at least had) a working TPU. Who is this person, Jack? Although Jack seems to clearly attempt to exonerate himself from any wrongdoing in the matter, I am not so sure a court would see it this way. If you were involved in the planning and discussion of a crime to be committed, and keep quiet about it such that the criminals get away with it, doesn?t that make you an accomplice? I?m not a lawyer, but to my mind, doesn?t this imply a significant degree of guilt upon Jack. (So who has this unit now?)
Jack goes on to say something else that seems rather revealing:
?I have not been completely honest with you guys except for two forum members that I have been fortunate to call friends and confided with that know the whole story? On my own initiative and no one else?s I purposefully with forethought went on a character assignation mission against Steven in an attempt to flush him out of possible hiding?I just assumed that Steven, if alive would pop up to defend his honor against my groundless personal attacks but I fear that either he is no longer with us or he is not allowed to make contact. This explains why David Doleshal was taken aback by my many barbs against Steven.?
This seems to be to core of the matter. Note that Jack admits the things he said were GROUNDLESS PERSONAL ATTACKS against Steven. I don?t know if people reading this list understand the full implications of it. Jack clearly acknowledges all the slanderous and libelous lies he has been spreading via internet for several years about Steven are just that ? slanderous lies. I realize that this may lead some people to condemn Jack and disregard the few small shreds of technical information he may have to add. Although Jack?s approach seems like a stupid, underhanded and unethical tactic, I would urge people not to write Jack off entirely. In some of my earlier posts, I?ve clearly said I think Jack is not only very bright guy, but a man of high integrity. Tempted as I initially was to revise that opinion downward when I first saw Jack stooping to slander, libel, blackmail and character assassination, I don?t retract that opinion. I still think Jack Durban is a very intelligent guy and a man of high ethical standards. Though I thoroughly disapprove of his methods, I must at least admit he was acting from what seems like an admirable intention. I too would very much like to see this technology made available to the world, and will confess to feeling great regret and frustration over the fact that all my own paltry efforts in that direction ulitmately amounted to nothing. If I were in Jack?s position, I might well have done something equally distasteful. If there was something I thought I could do to make this happen, I?d have done it. If it involved doing something a little dishonest and underhanded as Jack has done, I can?t say I wouldn?t have given into the temptation? if I thought it might work I empathize with you Jack, I just wish you hadn?t resorted to anything so harsh and dishonest.
Perhaps this is just a personal sore spot for me, and I am over reacting. But please understand, this opens an old wound for me. Steven was my very good friend since we were teenagers. He wasn?t perfect, but he never claimed to be. But none of us are, least of all me. Steven and I went through a lot of hard times together, and he often helped me through some very rough days in my life. He was there for me when no one else was. The unpleasantness surrounding this whole TPU incident basically marked the end of my relationship with him, and I have not seen him in many years. If in fact he is no longer among the living ? a distinct possibility, that is a sad thought for me, and it only made it worse to see his name being slandered and ridiculed on false pretenses all over the world.
Any way Jack, despite the nastiness and unpleasantries, it is good to know you?re still out there. I think you did a good thing by publishing the video. It?d be good to see you again some time. Get together, shoot the bull, talk about old times and what might have happened if the world had gone differently. I wish you the best, and greater happiness in the future. Don?t blame yourself this TPU never got to market. It was not our fault. The ball was never really in your court, or mine.
And to the rest of the folks on this list, I would reiterate what I have said before. The issues of personality and character are not very relevant or helpful in this matter, much as many people seem to insist they are. Whether Steven had been a saint or a devil, neither wouldn?t say a thing about the value or workings of the technology. I suggest we all pull together, pool such shreds of knowledge and hints and clues about the technical aspects as we may have, meager though they may be, and try to solve the mystery, if we can. Tesla evidently did it. Steven seems to have done it. Maybe together, we can eventually do it again. If anyone really knows, anything, come out, come, out, wherever you are. If I had more to contribute on this, I would do so, but sadly, I have nothing else.
Regards,
Dave
Dr. Dave seems to be confused on a few issues.
1.I never stated I did any prototyping on the TPU. Steven asked me to attempt to create a quick free energy device for reasons unknown.
2. The Sound demo room was exactly as stated as I took possession of it and had it reassembled in my warehouse. There were a few visible speakers but there were many more distributed throughout the structure which was modeled after a home theater with terraced seating.
3. Regarding the break in caper...I can't possibly know who might have broke in as many people wanted to. I did everything one could do to warn against such an action and I assumed that they listened. This casual talk did not rise to the level of conspiracy as it was just two out of three guys dreaming and with one of them being M. made it very, very unlikely to materialize.
4. "years of global slanderous lies"... Geez its only been since April. The other stories about the internet are from others that were either there at the time or are phonies.
In closing I feel really bad about how I dealt with this but I had to know the final chapter to the story. This isn't exactly a minor point in one's life or for mankind for that matter. This was real free energy.
Dr. Dave I apologized to Steven in no uncertain terms and offered to retract any errors I made in my dissertations without any exceptions. If you would like to discuss this further please make contact. I make no effort to hide behind user names or AKA's anywhere on the net.
Kindest regards,
Jack
jdurban@vorel.com
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 08:02:58 AM
Hi,
I received this email message from Dave Doleshal and
post it here without any comments.
Dave?s comments to Jack Durban?s interview text are in red color.
...Also relevant is that Steven used to say he believed Tesla?s device was something Tesla invented before the mid 1890s, based on such knowledge of physics and such electronic equipment as existed then, not after things like quantum physics or solid state electronics were available...
I think I know now what Doleshaw (actually, SM) was referring to here. ;D
You've probably heard of Tesla's disruptive discharge a.k.a. the electro-radiant event, cold electricity, an aether shockwave, etc. I recently found out that Tesla seems to have described this effect for the first (and only!) time in a lecture in London in 1892, and that this is the basis for the magnifying transmitter (and now SM's converter coil it would seem). If you do a little digging on the Internet you should be able to locate far more information on this effect.
Here's a little something I found interesting: http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/tesla.htm
And a quote from that page (emphasis mine):
QuoteTesla made electrical measurements of this projective stream. One lead of a galvanometer was connected to a copper plate, the other grounded. When impulses were applied to wire line, the unattached and distant meter registered a continual direct current. Current through space without wires! Now here was something which impulses achieved, never observed with alternat?ing currents of any frequency.
Enjoy!
Eldarion
This is intreasting that you state this. tesla put down Hretz for his motion and maxwell in the configuration on the 15 rule. So if the voltage is just the action of the mechanisim then he really Din't tell the whole story , ather has been dismissed long ago by Mr westinghouse paid for by getty through unknowen sourse Morre. ( power meters made in 1926 ) so where is the real info ...... nothig new here . ( I won't buy a cow that doesn't give milk ) hint passive negative capisotor like Farady made to test Teslas testing equipment.
wow... what a story.
I have a question though. Dr. Doleshal says:
Quote"As far as Steven having been the inventor, I have no reason to doubt this. He was obsessed with the idea since 1974, believed Tesla had built such a thing early in his career, and felt it was possible to replicate such a thing. He tried a lot of things over the years that didn?t work, chasing down every lead he could, including reading every bit of Tesla material he could get his hands on. For a long time he had the idea there was some natural frequency of the earth (approx 6.8 hz) that contained a huge amount of power, and if one could only tune into it as one would a radio station, it?d be a source of free energy. He built all kinds of receivers trying to do this, but they never worked. Eventually he gave up on that angle and started trying other things. For a couple of years he was doing things like grinding up gem-quality rubies for some reason I never understood. That was a very expensive set of experiments, but evidently they led nowhere. Years later, round about 1988, he started making the device that later ended up being called TPUs."
How could SM have gone from being completely obsessed with free-energy, to attaining it, and then to not caring anymore?!? Both Jack and Dave are able to understand how important FE is to the world, but neither of them were obsessed with it like Mark. He must have been after FE for one of two reasons: either it was greed and he thought FE would make him the wealthiest man in the world, or he realized how it would completely change the standards of living for all human beings, and serve to topple the cancerous power structure we've been living with for so many millennia. Or at least, that's my deduction of the matter.
Either way, it just doesn't make the slightest bit of sense that the person who was originally obsessed with FE, who spent years and thousands of dollars chasing it, would then go to simply not caring about it much anymore. Is SM the kind of person who would be happy having FE all to himself, and just watch the world burn?
-wavez
Quote from: wavez on October 26, 2008, 11:05:14 AM
Is SM the kind of person who would be happy having FE all to himself, and just watch the world burn?
-wavez
I doubt it.
There are probably many reasons to stop work on such an invention that have little to do with money.
1. Threats
2. Gaining an understanding that release of information would cause more harm than good.
3. Realizing it wasn't what he thought.
4. Retribution for being dragged through the mud for the idea.
5. A rock solid NDA that goes beyond legal terms and has been proven by the enforcers of such an NDA.
6. Realization that the invention was already on the books and the bookkeepers have the power to keep the book closed.
For those thinking one purpose of a patent is to make ideas public - you haven't tried to patent something of the correct 'value'. This also goes for the lawyers and the inventors with plenty of patent experience. Laws can only be applied to things known.
There is a 30 year limit on withholding certain information. There are things that have not been released even after 30 years. I can imagine why.
You do realize the world has it bad right now. Much worse than any other time in human history.
Earth is overpopulated. 1% of people hold 99% of wealth, others are just slaves.
You're a slave if you do 8h 5day per week job. That 1% just manages this slave population.
If that technology for free energy would come out when Tesla intended it to come out, humanity would be exploring space by now. We would have colonies on all major planets and planetoids/moons in our solar system.
Sitting on a free energy technology is nothing more than depriving humanity to grow and rid itself from oppression.
Free energy = free labour (roborization) = free food = unity = new human confederation in science and exploration = peace
I condemn SM for being a scarred little man. I cant and I wont believe its greed that got him, its clear this would bring him money because everyone knows he successfully recreated Tesla's work where others have failed. Open a donation page to the man and voila instant millionaire.
He must have gotten threats from some major energy cartel who bought all rights to the technology and shut him up.
I'm sure many many many inventors got silenced this way. It all started as greed. They couldn't care less for the world as long as their pockets are lined they would be living in paradise in a world as it is now. Not gonna last just soo you know.
They probably told him its a matter of national security and that a world is not able to handle this technology (terrorism and all).
If that's the case, we will never be ready. Think of it, as long as humanity has a dependence on energy/food sources, there will be famine, war and profiteering. Ow yes and terrorism.
If we suddenly find ourselves in a free energy world, humanity can truly breathe again and continue evolution.
• Wars can stop. Why?
Well no need to have war on a neighbour if your nation is prospering. You didnt need oil, food,... anything really from anyone.
You're self sufficient. Just burry the hatchet, use diplomacy. Nations that just cant do this get world police (UN) intervene like a referee.
• 3rd world countries can start to rebuild and banish famine alltogether.
• There would be no economic colapse (as it was held together by feeble strings). Why?
New industries arise. We would have to rebuild our whole energy infrastructure (every home would need at least 1 of these devices). We would need a robot industry etc.
• Terrorism
In effect these are people who are displeased in how the world is treating them. imposing them embargoes, selling them oil for a great cost, raping them of natural resources...
We would only need to police religious terrorists as these remain fanatics. Giving them free energy would not make them better weapons or generate them more money, as economy as we know it today would cease to exist. in its place a resource economy would come into play.
• Humanity is on the edge,.. we have a few more years but a collapse is inevitable.
We have and still are, fighting, waring etc. because some have more than others. Attacking a neighbour because hes doing better than you has allways been a reason to attack/raid him. Our history is full of sad stories, mainly due to our nature. but when a human being has everything he needs to survive, he can be a civilized being as we are thinking of ourselves we are anyway.
I lack the expressionistic power in my vocabulary to do my post here some justice.
But like any human being, well fed, well protected and with a bright future. I would like a brighter future for that other 80% of the worlds population.
You go from your home to work, you mostly see people of the same rank as yourself and you think that 99% of the world. Just walk through the city and you see people busying themselves in shops, schools, restaurants. But what you see is really the minority of how a human race lives on this beautifully planet.
When you turn on the television you only see speech about this and that disaster that happened on the other side of the planet, you see terrorists starving people, natural disasters, and all other daily nastiest. but that's happening soo far away, it doesnt concern you and you simply change the channel, the affected people have to live what you dont want to see.
Now it would all be great if this could continue (for some fortunate ones) indeffinitely. World economy is on the verge of a collapse, wars are looming, more and more natural disasters are frequenting our existance. This "perfect world" some of us are living in, is not gonna last.
If there is economic collapse or some major dissaster, the government can cease all your hoarded wealth and declare a martial state.
Your (our) whole world can turn in an instance from luxury lifestyle to the fight for survival. No ammount of money on your bank account will be able to save you then. (reffering to SM, who may or may not be reading this)
Soo you see, by doing the right thing you could save the planet and go down in the history as a man who freed humanity from its doom. open up a new age, a bright human age unseen for 11 tousand years.
(once again I appologize for my spelling errors)
We are born this way, fully evolved. There are no steps to take that will make a difference. Did Able, the provider, raise himself in defense? No. He died a victim at the hands of his brother, Cain, the taker.
And if you don't like Bible stories. You know maybe they are false or something. Then here is another way of looking at it:
When Jane Goodall went to the jungle to study chimpanzees, she wrote about their peaceful loving nature.
She returns 30 years later and to her dismay the 3rd generations are clanning, warring, raping, pilaging, Murdering!
So much for the love, peace and harmony side of being. Sin is a possession that can never be extricated from a living soul. Evolution is a term of growth and change. Do you see this happening with mankind? Never, no never. Evil prevails.
Here is a simple example of inability to change or responding to external stimuli:
How many people do you know that on a trigger of seeing a red Santa Claus automagically start buying. That is why Jesus turned over the tables in the tabernacle. But their response to mind control could not be changed.
I stated this before. When you visit the zoo do you go in the cages with the animals? Do you cuddle with the animals? Would you give a chimpanzee dynamite? That is why the UFOs are distant. If we can't do it on our own then we don't belong.
So here is your chance. Is their anything else so timely as this technology, supported by great men who care about world affairs. They are like the driver who drove us kids to the zoo. We wanted to go. We like to talk about great experiences to them. Our zeal had a focal point. A place that the driver wishes us to express openly. A focus that drove our very existance for a time to show us things could be better or guide us to creating a control of some kind.
And here we are. Everyone should be excuberant about their involvement here. This technology can be done.
There are conditions in men's minds that can not be changed. You are going to have to Make yourself and be happy with that.
--giantkiller. Think about what you do this Christmas.
Can I Get an AMEN!!,,,, Now reach in to the emplodeing TVset and grab some wires,,, It'll Move ya!! :D
QuoteAgent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.
QuoteIn the face of our professed frantic search for new energy sources and new modes of more efficient, energy saving transportation, the question arises then why the experiments listed in this volume, as well as the EdgarCayce readings on the same subject, have been almost completely ignored for such a long time.
Perhaps the answer to this can be furnished by still another reading ofthe amazing Edgar Cayce, given in reply to the question of another seeker afew years later, who was already on the right track, so to speak:
Q-13: "Give the method of construction of an aircraft controlled by (a) positive electricity."
No. 412-9,8/10/37
Cayce's reply in trance admonished the man:
A-12: "It is a long way to theseâ€"and there must be determined for what purpose these are used before ye may be given how, in what manner. For these take hold upon Creative Forces. Show thyself approved, first!"
The reading was then abruptly cut off with the words (in trance):
A-13: "We are through for the present."
Thanks for this updates. Continue what you have done.
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You go from your home to work, you mostly see humans of the aforementioned rank as yourself and you anticipate that 99% of the world. Just airing through the city-limits and you see humans busying themselves in shops, schools, restaurants. But what you see is absolutely the boyhood of how a animal chase lives on this beautifully planet.
When you about-face on the television you alone see accent about this and that adversity that happened on the added ancillary of the planet, you see terrorists craving people, accustomed disasters, and all added circadian nastiest. but that's accident soo far away, it doesnt affair you and you artlessly change the channel, the afflicted humans accept to reside what you dont wish to see.
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Crippling isn,t it?
How about this answer:
1.) The book of Ezekiel describes UFOs in detail.
2.) The book of Ezekiel describes a perfect bread recipe, Ezekiel bread.
3.) Cropcircles have appeared on grain fields since day one.
4.) The grain has a different DNA engineering to it.
5.) Jesus stated 'My body is the bread of life'. We are what we eat.
We have been engineered since before day one.
Any arguments? Don't bother. The largest groupings of crop circles appear around Stonehenge, the largest granite resonantor on the planet surface. Where in the seasons does it point to? Granite has quartz in it. Granite wind.
Quote from: rs_shadow0000 on July 13, 2009, 12:06:29 PM
You go from your home to work, you mostly see humans of the aforementioned rank as yourself and you anticipate that 99% of the world. Just airing through the city-limits and you see humans busying themselves in shops, schools, restaurants. But what you see is absolutely the boyhood of how a animal chase lives on this beautifully planet.
When you about-face on the television you alone see accent about this and that adversity that happened on the added ancillary of the planet, you see terrorists craving people, accustomed disasters, and all added circadian nastiest. but that's accident soo far away, it doesnt affair you and you artlessly change the channel, the afflicted humans accept to reside what you dont wish to see.
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:)
Now the question is:
Which kind will they be?
THe creators creation, or the created creation?
:D
That rocks! :D
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posted by bolt Don Smith vids
Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #368 on: Today at 04:44:44 PM »
go and watch my 3 videos i posted here some time ago before you do anything else on this subject.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2820531/don_smith_free_energy/
Dear friends,
I am quite dismayed by the amount of time and energy spent on my invention! I can not help but feel that this is my fault, however, I feel that I have made it quite clear that I CAN NOT and I WILL NOT share any detail information as I have been instructed.
Trying to get information through my former coworkers and friends will not help you because they do not know how my device functions. I have mentioned before that if you do not know the frequencies you will not be able to make a working device.
I have tried to give out as much information as I can but after 3 years I see that I have made a grave mistake. I sincerely apologize to all of you. Discovery is a journey that each must undertake and I only hope you have learned something along this journey. I hope that you will not hate me for something you have chosen to do. I have given no guarantees to anybody !!
Please do not assume that since I dared to post here, that now I will be sharing any more information with you. People are watching and I have given my word!!! We do not know what this technology is capable of, or how dangerous it is if it falls in the wrong hands. However, I am personally convinced that it is not anymore dangerous than our current electrical appliances.
Sincerely,
SM
Dear Steven,
Well, then is it known what the owners of the secret as a whole want to do with it? They closed it into a safe and that is that?
Thanks for coming... if you are really SM... lol
rgds, Gyula
Dear Steven,
Welcome to the forum (if it's realy you, and I hope it is) I do not hate or fault you for giving us the information you did. This public forums attract a lot of different kinds of people as you probably noticed, and the educational background varies greatly. I hope you will stay and interact with us as much as you can or are allowed.
If you don't mind I do have one question. My theory is that your device captures energy from the power lines behind the house where it was tested (we call it the mansion).
Have you measured the voltage of the TPUs at different distances from the power lines? Have you noticed a decrease in voltage with distance?
hope to hear from you again,
EM
Quote from: stevenDmark on July 19, 2009, 06:10:42 PM
Dear friends,
I am quite dismayed by the amount of time and energy spent on my invention! I can not help but feel that this is my fault, however, I feel that I have made it quite clear that I CAN NOT and I WILL NOT share any detail information as I have been instructed.
Trying to get information through my former coworkers and friends will not help you because they do not know how my device functions. I have mentioned before that if you do not know the frequencies you will not be able to make a working device.
I have tried to give out as much information as I can but after 3 years I see that I have made a grave mistake. I sincerely apologize to all of you. Discovery is a journey that each must undertake and I only hope you have learned something along this journey. I hope that you will not hate me for something you have chosen to do. I have given no guarantees to anybody !!
Please do not assume that since I dared to post here, that now I will be sharing any more information with you. People are watching and I have given my word!!! We do not know what this technology is capable of, or how dangerous it is if it falls in the wrong hands. However, I am personally convinced that it is not anymore dangerous than our current electrical appliances.
Sincerely,
SM
Alright Steven since you do not want to spoon feed and in anycase...i would like to point out something...where on earth has the tpu been reported in commercial use?
Okay over the years your heart has grown hard and all but then can you at least ...give clues or anything on how you discovered it so others can go along that path and if they discover it they then discover it.....to be fair..the books you properly studied from may not be available now so yea..you get the idea..you have got to know the substance in order to understand the circuit diagram so to speak.
The main intention to this forum as well as others is for it to actually for it to get into the public domain and if it did then what you would see if everyone using and even to the extent not using fossil fuels to make hydrogen but instead use this tpu so to speak..and at the moment the planet is going down the toliet and alot faster than you would think.
Yes, no?
How about the hypocritial save the environment adverts on tv when you know that your tpu worked..where is your tpu being used now..unless it is collecting dust...and if it was big and if the goverments actually gave a crap about this...everyone would be using it right?
Well what you could do is..share everything what you have learnt from...scan books into ebooks and post it on some anoyomous blog site and then post it here on overunity.com and use wireless for that from some cafe and for pdf use scribd.com .
Do your self a favour...build your self a tpu and be like the only guy in america with it working prehaps or someone on this forum knowing how to solve that if he knew what you studied...the reason is science has missed some crucial points.
Nevermind.
The cave has closed and you find youself in the corner of a room with sleeping dwarves.
PLUGH does nothing.
XYZZY does nothing.
You need to put the rod in the corner of the repository with the sleeping dwarves, go to the opposite corner, and say blast.
Game over...
--giantkiller. Over and out.
Quote from: giantkiller on July 19, 2009, 08:19:37 PM
The cave has closed and you find youself in the corner of a room with sleeping dwarves.
PLUGH does nothing.
XYZZY does nothing.
You need to put the rod in the corner of the repository with the sleeping dwarves, go to the opposite corner, and say blast.
Game over...
--giantkiller. Over and out.
And if the words 'FEE FIE FOE FOO' appear on the wall.... Will you say 'blast' then and risk the loss of a new iteration?
Don't do it! If you do.... "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike" and you must start all over again....
Sorry. Not at this point for my TPU ;)
Frequencies / Schmeekquencies... They won't do you any good if you don't know the space they fill.
@ramset
I like Don Smith's work- You can tell he came up the ropes on his own. That transformer he made for Brazil is straight out of Tesla's patents. I gotta try building me a highQ circuit that incorporates a few turns in the primary of a transformer and ring the bell and see if it isnt alot more efficient than the mess I can see from this window hanging on a dead tree. Not a frigging capacitor in the whole grid. Oh well. If that can outside is 98percent efficient then with a little attention to resonance maybe it will go over the top. DS had a couple of transformers that looked like they were tuned.
@SM
You gotta be shittin me. I vowed to love honor and cherish a couple of wives who ended up fucki ng other guys. Go get some counseling and get over the paranoia. NOBODY CARES.
Hello all,
SM - if its really you!!
why are you blaiming yourself? Why do you appologize? Why to hate you??
My God, it was clear for me from the first moment that it would take years to build a fine working TPU.
I have made a lot over 150 complete TPUs (every week a new one) and who knows how many coils. This 3 years I was EVERY weekend and almost every afternoon, after work, working on various TPUs and Im not sorry for this. I know at least 1000 ways a TPU doesnt work, ha,ha. Frustrated? No, Im not frustrated!! I was only not good enough to build a TPU, thats all.
On the other hand, I hope youre not soooo dissapointed because its really a long journey.
Otto
The style of writing is very very close to SM posting and past emails. It appears to be genuine. Maybe stefan can check the IP address for extra validation if its Spain or Russia i doubt its SM:)
Quote from: stevenDmark on July 19, 2009, 06:10:42 PM
Dear friends,
I am quite dismayed by the amount of time and energy spent on my invention! I can not help but feel that this is my fault, however, I feel that I have made it quite clear that I CAN NOT and I WILL NOT share any detail information as I have been instructed.
Trying to get information through my former coworkers and friends will not help you because they do not know how my device functions. I have mentioned before that if you do not know the frequencies you will not be able to make a working device.
I have tried to give out as much information as I can but after 3 years I see that I have made a grave mistake. I sincerely apologize to all of you. Discovery is a journey that each must undertake and I only hope you have learned something along this journey. I hope that you will not hate me for something you have chosen to do. I have given no guarantees to anybody !!
Please do not assume that since I dared to post here, that now I will be sharing any more information with you. People are watching and I have given my word!!! We do not know what this technology is capable of, or how dangerous it is if it falls in the wrong hands. However, I am personally convinced that it is not anymore dangerous than our current electrical appliances.
Sincerely,
SM
Hello Steven,
i have no doubt that you are SM and i want to say welcome to this forum even if it should be the last post of you.
It is up to you what you will share with us and i think what you have share is already something to work on and for that we should already thankfull. Of course there are a lot of questions but if you can and will not share, then that is oure journey to find out.
All the best for you
Norbert
Quote from: stevenDmark on July 19, 2009, 06:10:42 PM
Dear friends,
I am quite dismayed by the amount of time and energy spent on my invention!
Sincerely,
SM
Yeah and don't forget the amount of money too!
Quote from: stevenDmark on July 19, 2009, 06:10:42 PM
Trying to get information through my former coworkers and friends will not help you because they do not know how my device functions. I have mentioned before that if you do not know the frequencies you will not be able to make a working device.
Is that why your friend stopped responding to me after he told me you were buying the parts at the electronic store in Garden Grove?
Marco.
Quote from: stevenDmark on July 19, 2009, 06:10:42 PMPlease do not assume that since I dared to post here, that now I will be sharing any more information with you.
Maybe we can make use of the Technology Download (http://spiritlibrary.com/lightworker/beacons-of-light/technology-download-a-cosmic-event) during the next couple of days around the longest solar eclipse of this century (6+ minutes)...
hi and welcome to our forum ABOUT YOUR GREATED DEVICE <STEVEN MARK>
I ONLY WHANT TO THANKS FOR YOUR VIDEO OF <TPU>
AND GIVE HOPE TO EXPLORE AND SEARCH
OF NEW TEXNLOGY OF ENERGY
IS GERATED DEVICE AND IMPROVET DEVICES IS YOUR
I LIKE YOU TO ASK IF YOU CAN TO SHOW AS HERE OF ONE OF YOUR VIDEO WHIT COMPASS <PEOPLE HAS SAYING LONG TIME AGO FOR SOME VIDEO OF YOU WHIT COMPASS INSAID THE T.P.U
THAT WHILL BE NICE OF YOU
THANKS
FOR LITELL MAN FROM <Macedonia >
Quote from: stevenDmark on July 19, 2009, 06:10:42 PM
Dear friends,
I am quite dismayed by the amount of time and energy spent on my invention! I can not help but feel that this is my fault, however, I feel that I have made it quite clear that I CAN NOT and I WILL NOT share any detail information as I have been instructed.
Trying to get information through my former coworkers and friends will not help you because they do not know how my device functions. I have mentioned before that if you do not know the frequencies you will not be able to make a working device.
I have tried to give out as much information as I can but after 3 years I see that I have made a grave mistake. I sincerely apologize to all of you. Discovery is a journey that each must undertake and I only hope you have learned something along this journey. I hope that you will not hate me for something you have chosen to do. I have given no guarantees to anybody !!
Please do not assume that since I dared to post here, that now I will be sharing any more information with you. People are watching and I have given my word!!! We do not know what this technology is capable of, or how dangerous it is if it falls in the wrong hands. However, I am personally convinced that it is not anymore dangerous than our current electrical appliances.
Sincerely,
SM
Do you care to comment on the information provided in this tread?:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.0
"Spherics" claimed to know how your device works as well as a means to acheive the same results with a different method which he disclosed.
I feel a little inspired just by going to technology download link below. If a plasma is created and shielded from emradiation would this not have a perpectual electronic current associted with it? If then emradiation is introduced at a low frequency to impart a wave like current flow to the plasma the perpectual current flow would now undulate at a desired frequency? SM's last demonstrated tpu comes to mind as well as a betatron. Instead of accelerating just a few electrons boiled from a filament as in the betatron then slam them into a target making it radioactive a large mass of copper is used as a filament. A high voltage pulse is imposed between the copper electron donator/cathode and a winding wrapped around this highsurface area cathode. This enclosing winding acts as an anode and magnetic field compressor. The liberated electrons then migrate through device not unlike the ring current ions in the upperatmosphere establish along the magnetic field lines of the earth. Unlike this ion current the electron current is very condensed within the anode windings core. If steel wire or a long frequency pulse is imposed across the anode winding the magnetic domains within this shield/anode winding control the plasma current direction of rotation. The free electrons encounter a third winding as they loop and spiral outward along the magnetic field lines established by the envelope winding. This third winding experiences accelerated electron bombardment and acts as a capacitor plate. The load is then connected between this third winding and the cathode. External load between original cathode coil and new cathode coil circulates electrons back to stabilize the entire system. Basically using gravity and electron orbital momentum to accelerate electrons into a loop current that bombards an output filament instead of a vectored acceleration having to be bent by strong magnetic and/or dielectric potentials associated with traditional accelerators and CRTS. Just a little bit of gain over the initial kick pulse but on lots and lots of atoms iliberated from a high mass filament. This happens to the gates in vacuum triodes all the time but is avoided not exploited because of the loss of gate control and arc over between cathode and grid. The anode initiates the electron acceleration but alot of them would smack into the grid and destroy it until this problem was overcome with the addition of protection grids and deflectors of numerous configurations. Then came the cyclotrons but that is a whole nother story.
@All,
I am hoping this thread does not go through the same diatribe as the many others before. Too many people have spent very deep time involved in this at great costs other than just money. I don't want anybody to experience 'Geek drain' thats all.
@Mr. Mark,
If nothing more comes of this I appreciate the effort you put into getting this technology to this point regardless of the views herein. I did not mean anything smug or snide. I guess it was not a time for joking. I have learned alot. This new knowledge has dispelled the lies of the past we were all subject to by the opposition. Things still seem to oppose this march. But the new mindset I have gained from this involvement far surpasses anything I could have dreamed of my own and for that I am grateful. May the rest of us achieve such great processesas to what you have imparted to us. If not, alot has been experienced beyond the normal. You have changed lives already. There is shear joy in watching the amazed responses of others we show your videos to.
Thank you, always. My life will never be the same as I am, no doubt, sure that others claim as well.
I hope all finds you well and may this communication continue.
--giantkiller in Colorado.
SM appears to have some allegiance to an unknown cause. It is definitely not open research. Perhaps he would like to expand on his allegiance. Like I said I vowed many times allegiance to one cause or another just to be betrayed by the cause itself. GM had flywheel starters on the drawing board since the early 80's. Never tooled up for them until green machines got popular. The world is running low if not on fumes so if ever a device with the tpu potential was needed now is the time. Even if SM came out with blue prints and a spreadsheet showing all the working parameters it will take 10years to get into production. Why wait? How can you look at a child of 8 spend 4hours a day walking back and forth to a polluted river to have water to live when if they had some electricity in his village they could install a well pump or filtration system and pump? If someone is stopping you from full disclosure convey this message to them for me FUCK YOU AND ALL THE REST OF THE PIECES OF SHIT IN YOUR CIRCLE JERK. Sorry GK but I have designed too many better mousetraps just to see them shelved due to short sighted whats in it for me right now reptiles.
Steven posts here and most of you , rather than heed the little bit of information ,fell that insulting him is the way foward.
again he tells you what you need, and again..
Some of you will never get it...the basics I mean
Curse your way to understanding ..go on see how far it will get you
This does not apply to every body..you know who you are
Give it a break sparks.
All you did before was yack nonsense, and you're back doing it again, AND this time insulting the inventor.
Please have some respect and settle the hell down, you'll never catch IST anyway.
.99
@Poynt
I'll give it rest as soon as SM prooves that he didn't have a big old Tesla coil out in the pool house while he hooked up his receiver. I meant no insult to SM just to the folks that may be holding his invention hostage for personal gain while the rest of the world goes to war over the last drops of oil.
Funny that none of the builders of Magnifying Transmitters to produce long sparks ever built receivers. Perhaps they feared the results.
@SM
Maybe one day.
Quote from: Mannix on July 20, 2009, 09:00:17 PM
Steven posts here and most of you , rather than heed the little bit of information ,fell that insulting him is the way foward.
again he tells you what you need, and again..
Some of you will never get it...the basics I mean
Curse your way to understanding ..go on see how far it will get you
This does not apply to every body..you know who you are
Insult a person when he is open really does quite alot of damage and he grows even more hardened...pushed away and he feels like a sore thumb so to speak.
That is not the way to treat people..i go with something like treat others how you would like to be treated and in anycase it would have to be related and this what if approach leads to discovery.
If this is going to be heated..well all i say is..keep it progressive critism..and leave some space for people who want to think out of the box which is key to this sort of stuff.
Anyways any useful infomation towards understanding this..due regards to how far people have gone into this and the expense is fine..and if i was the one who had an idea i would be greatful..because first it is free and someone done the effort to spoon feed so to speak.
May as well keep the spirit up...and in anycase your interest with this sort of stuff and the feeling of this convential em stuff is what lead you to this forum and possibly others and it is like a child like guideance..and i don't mean silly childish behavior.
It is best of course to study anything on resonace but not everyone is on the same page so to speak..so you have got to compare.
I find it annoying but i don't go of shouting about it..that steven mark won't add more to the fire.
Since i am passonate i would feel very awkward not because of money but because of other peoples passion for it..that i would go across the line and just say it and the reason for that is suppression and the hypocrits and oil and eventually world war 3.
This attitude of feeling it is like that but you have got to consider..everyone has the power to change what you don't like.
Hopefully water in the desert sometime metaphorically.
I see this as a gem..i would use it as a tool..to wake up aload of people just to feel a bit more at home around them..if i saw and was certain of a overunity device..i would not sit there i would actually tell people about it...i find it annoying that inventors homes have been raided by pig ignorant authorites..and it all goes to waste..if only he knew about the suppressions..that prehaps he would of open sourced it.
Well done steven mark..you gave tips..but then tips..it is like knowing the system and a nother person does not...and the way he thinks..goes off in a incorrect fashion...you have got to add substance...and if you was to do that..it has to be open sourced.
People think it is complexx but get some oil in your head and see just how simple it is and simplistic/simplicity is the best way to go.
Ponder with reason will certainly make you see the big picture...it is like a radar guy telling someone who can't see the radar that the plane is at the top left?
Top left?? yea i know that..be more specific..
Since i know computers..i bought a pci asus xonar d1 sound card and since everything has a reason..i was not like pfft..i am like well lets try the other pci slot because i feel the pci port so to speak is not activiated or something because i have studyed this motherboard..so i stick it in and the pci sound card works..
Where as the guy who said top left?? but of course different situation equivalent guy wastes time and sends the pci sound card back..hmm not passionate enough.
Hope i am not too child like for whoevers prudent attitude :P.
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on July 20, 2009, 11:20:01 PM
Insult a person when he is open really does quite alot of damage and he grows even more hardened...pushed away and he feels like a sore thumb so to speak.
I seriously doubt he is hardened against providing information. This voicing of aggravation by us probably just makes him more pissed off that he can't provide what we ask.
If there are still folks here that believe nothing and nobody can make you shut up, even to provide something like free energy, you are simple fools.
It is an old argument on this forum. The only way you will believe is to create something similar to a TPU - then try to sell it OR give it away. Reality will bite you on the arse.
If the TPU is indeed what was shown and described then I don't blame SM, even though I have voiced my aggravation before. So let's just get off his case.
Quote from: BEP on July 20, 2009, 11:47:44 PM
I seriously doubt he is hardened against providing information. This voicing of aggravation by us probably just makes him more pissed off that he can't provide what we ask.
If there are still folks here that believe nothing and nobody can make you shut up, even to provide something like free energy, you are simple fools.
It is an old argument on this forum. The only way you will believe is to create something similar to a TPU - then try to sell it OR give it away. Reality will bite you on the arse.
If the TPU is indeed what was shown and described then I don't blame SM, even though I have voiced my aggravation before. So let's just get off his case.
I have studyed the lauguage of the ego self..it certainly does have an effect..it does vary though but it certainly does.
In the resonant world it has to be near perfect or perfect for it work well..at the end of the day i suggest you study resoance very carefully to get an idea and compare it basiclly everything..just like sound..electric has hz for instance.
And study and build this instead..http://www.scribd.com/doc/10316855/Magnetic-Resonant-Amplifier .
ok i see again the same here talking and talking
I ASKING ALL HERE WAY NOW STEVEN HAS COME HERE AND SAY ..IS LIKE TO HELP >>
now we mast stop whit this WE AKT LIKE A KIDS HERE
WE MAST HERE AND NOW WAIT AND LEARN WHAT WHILL SAY Steven
beacouse is take long time periode steven to come here and say something
NOW AGAIN I LIKE TO SAY
WE ALL HERE WAIT YOU TO BE COME HERE AND TELL TO AS SOEMTHING FOR YOUR DEVICES
I HOPE YOU WHIILL ANDERSTEND THAT WE HERE IS WORKING AND SEARCHING TO HAVE SOME CLOUSE LIKE YOUR DEVICES
AND WORKING HARD TO FIND ..
MAYBE IS FOR YOU AND I THING YOU LIKE TO HELP BUT YOU HAVE ATHERE PROBLEMS TO NOT TALKING THIS PAST YEARS
NOW MAYBE YOU WHILL BE NO FRAID TO SAY SOMETHING
ENYWAY IS GOOD TO BE HERE
AND IS GOOD TO SEE PEOPLE IS TALKING FOR YOU IN THIS PAST YEARS
AND IS MORE INTERESTHING TO BE YOU HERE AND SAYING SOMETHING
THANKS AGAIN
I HOPE YOU WHILL ANDERSTEND
Quote from: MACEDONIA CD on July 21, 2009, 03:03:07 AM
ok i see again the same here talking and talking
I ASKING ALL HERE WAY NOW STEVEN HAS COME HERE AND SAY ..IS LIKE TO HELP >>
now we mast stop whit this WE AKT LIKE A KIDS HERE
WE MAST HERE AND NOW WAIT AND LEARN WHAT WHILL SAY Steven
beacouse is take long time periode steven to come here and say something
NOW AGAIN I LIKE TO SAY
WE ALL HERE WAIT YOU TO BE COME HERE AND TELL TO AS SOEMTHING FOR YOUR DEVICES
I HOPE YOU WHIILL ANDERSTEND THAT WE HERE IS WORKING AND SEARCHING TO HAVE SOME CLOUSE LIKE YOUR DEVICES
AND WORKING HARD TO FIND ..
MAYBE IS FOR YOU AND I THING YOU LIKE TO HELP BUT YOU HAVE ATHERE PROBLEMS TO NOT TALKING THIS PAST YEARS
NOW MAYBE YOU WHILL BE NO FRAID TO SAY SOMETHING
ENYWAY IS GOOD TO BE HERE
AND IS GOOD TO SEE PEOPLE IS TALKING FOR YOU IN THIS PAST YEARS
AND IS MORE INTERESTHING TO BE YOU HERE AND SAYING SOMETHING
THANKS AGAIN
I HOPE YOU WHILL ANDERSTEND
Ok i keep seeing again and again..talk this and talk that.
I am asking here is that why has sm come here and basicly not going to help?
We must stop with this acting like kids so to speak.
I would prefer Steven to contribute to this forum because it is taking a long time to figure this out..so to speak.
Me and everyone on this forum would prefer you..Steven mark to come forward and say what you know about this device.
I hope you will understand that People on this forum have spent a great deal of time, money and effort and figureing out the puzzle.
I think you like to help but i basicly think that since you sold your invention so to speak..you are bound by this crappy man made law so to speak.
It is nice to see people talking about the tpu and also reading what you said about the tpu and it is more interesting that you keep visiting this forum and to discuss the tpu.
The reason that Steven posted was because somebody here was trying to make contact by knocking on Davids door.
He said again that no more info will be forth comming.
So get over it and get onto it with the info you have which is most likely not enogh for most of you but more than he was comfortable to release in hindsight ..he also told you why....as have i many times ..but somehow that not good enough for many...jees were are not talking about a cake recipie here.
get to work positively , use the info and try your best ...or just dont bother there is obviously a million ways not to do it. But dont slag of at the inventor for the help he has provided however sparse and however misunderstood. He has nothing to prove to any of you.
The situation just may be exactly the reverse , at least some would hope.
BTW I see spherics arrival, although interesting , a specific diversion, but I might be wrong.
Quote from: Mannix on July 21, 2009, 05:52:24 AM
The reason that Steven posted was because somebody here was trying to make contact by knocking on Davids door.
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Oh never mind.....
Such idiocy >:(
The work needs to stay on the bench not playing PI.
SM says that the secret lies within the kick phenomenon. The permeating magnetic gravitational and dielectric fields determine the free electron migration in an unenergized conductor. These free electrons have a low thermal energy content but nevertheless do represent a scource of potential energy to be harvested. Perhaps this is the energy that SM converts? I don't expect an answer too soon because I'm on Mannix's bad boy list.
Quote from: sparks on July 21, 2009, 09:49:40 AM
SM says that the secret lies within the kick phenomenon. The permeating magnetic gravitational and dielectric fields determine the free electron migration in an unenergized conductor. These free electrons have a low thermal energy content but nevertheless do represent a scource of potential energy to be harvested. Perhaps this is the energy that SM converts? I don't expect an answer too soon because I'm on Mannix's bad boy list.
Do you mean something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBuOFB2ZNvA
The cavity - pressure which is the key to drawing zero point/energy from the vaccum.
@mannix
IS LIKE YOU KNOW EVERTHING AND ALL ANSFERS FOR ,S.M
PLEASE TELL ME AND EXPLANE TO PEOPLE WAY S.M IS COME HERE AND SAY THIS IN TO THIS FORUM <<IF HE DONT LIKE TO SAY NOTHING ABOUT HIS DEVICES <
IS SIMPLE ASKING FOR YOU IST ....
IF SOMEONE HE DONT LIKE TO SAY OR EXPLANE FOR HIS DEVICES HE WOLD NOT COME HERE AND SHOWHING IN TO THIS FORUM
IS LIKE YOU LIKE TO BRAKE THIS TALKING S.M HERE TO NOT SAY FOR HIS DEVICES
WAY???????
IF THE CREATOR OF THIS TPU <S.M>
LIKE TO SHOW AND COME HER AND I THING SOMETHING WAY YOU AGAIN HIT AS AND TELL THAT HE DONT LIKE TO BE HERE
I THING YOU DONT LIKE <S.M TO BE HERE
I SAY FOR ALL WORDS FOR ALL PEOPLE HERE OF BE FRENDLY AND PLEASE TALK FOR YOU DEVICES AND SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY TO AS
THANKS <Steven Mark>
we have expected
you long time
here
THANKS
Maybe SM built himself an energy sucking antennae tuned to newly discovered magnetospheric wave patterns. Really not news wave energy from mhd reconnection in the equatorial area of the sun has been predicted for at least 30years. Wonder what frequency the solar wind is imparting to the magnetic density of the magnetosphere. http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0309/11magwaves/
Ok.Let see.If TPU is using Earth magnetic field what are the dangers or using it massively ? Why did nobody asked it before ?
Because this is your question... :o?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: forest on August 08, 2009, 05:38:10 PM
Ok.Let see.If TPU is using Earth magnetic field what are the dangers or using it massively ? Why did nobody asked it before ?
I think it will slow down the earth.
And that will initiate a new ice age :o
Interesting thought I had, surely I'm not the first to think about this. I see an interesting similarity to both the tesla convertor, SM device, and the Ed Leedskalnin perpetual motion holder! In Ed's device, a quick DC pulse sets up a magnetic field that stays, seemingly forever, until the core is seperated, and energy is then released back out the coils.
In Tesla convertor, and SM device, they use AC current to set up the magnetic field, but that field rotates in the core, I think because it is AC current. Do you think it is possible that somehow a happy medium was found between these devices? Let's say, a quick pulse sets up the magnetic field that stays. Then theoretically, it may take very little energy to push it along? Possibly could explain if maybe only a very small amount of energy was actually going into the device, while much was coming back out? If Ed Leedskalnins device was capable of moving the magnetic poles around the core, it would easily generate energy in the coils, and maybe it would not lose any magnetic field while doing so?
In this scenario, there really could have been a really small battery, hidden in SM's device. Because if my (probably worthless) idea was possible, a small battery would be capable of keeping the chain reaction going that creates MUCH MORE power???
Maybe??? Any thoughts???
Actually, with my previous post idea, a battery would not be needed, if he used a capacitor of course. He could have easily fed a bit of energy back into the cap to keep the cycle going. I'm just kicking around an idea of course, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes.
Quote from: captainpecan on August 09, 2009, 03:52:30 AM
Actually, with my previous post idea, a battery would not be needed, if he used a capacitor of course. He could have easily fed a bit of energy back into the cap to keep the cycle going. I'm just kicking around an idea of course, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes.
Don't take the silence personal. To my recollection, your thoughts above have been discussed numerous times before. This doesn't mean they are invalid. It just means you should pursue your ideas with some experimenting.
I don't recall these thoughts being taken that far.
Thank you BEP, I do plan on giving it whirl. Not totally sure how to achieve it, but that's part of the fun anyway. I am working on obtaining the material I want to use for the core in this one, just been beating my head into the wall trying decide. I may simply use iron wire this time if I can find some to order. I'm not finding enough other replications with results to learn how "not to" do it, lol. Everytime I find someone who seems to get close, they leave, or just quit posting. It's to bad.
Could sm have made himself a scalar wave collector? Big old magnetic torroidal field/magnetosphere shielding normal transverse emwaves which tend to be absorbed by mass causing thermal agitation and caotic blackbody radiation: in lieu of scalar waves which could alter the energy density of space itself. These changes in the density of the energy fields in play could dictate the behaviour of all mass including the manifestation of time.
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/scalarelectrograv.htm