KISS this shit goodbye .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine
you make an electrospray sparkplug that gets refilled with few drops . Water will need much less voltage if in a vacuum . Basically you spark the water out , then ignite it using same sparkplug
who needs gas intake anyways when all the gases needed are right there in that water droplet , ready to be blasted out in the vacuum , just round-off the air intake camshaft or weld it shut . When the piston goes down thats when you zap your few droplets of water thats in your spark plug and make the gaz expand in the chamber as the piston is pulling . The piston will then compress the ionized gas the you spark that shit again then BOOM . Thermal ignition shockwave or w/e you wanna call it . The few drops of water get refilled in the sparkplug by gravity basically , very simple . Exhaust that the steam out and start again. Im pretty sure the motor would run cool enough that this would work.
Maybe install a laser in it or w/e , might not even be needed. Ppl have got to thik how to apply it to an engine, not just making lots of bubbles .
less of the cell, more on the plug :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDtCkLxQd8&feature=related
Howdy Dankie,
So you want us to quit using internal combustion engines because you have developed a process to burn water in the internal combustion engine? I think you mean gasoline. Keep in mind that when you are burning water in your internal combustion engine, that you will still need oil to lubricate the engine. Water and iron make iron oxide which is really bad for bearings, rings, and cylinder linings. So the oil is there to keep the water away from the vulnerable iron surfaces.
You should give up trying to turn the internal combustion engine into a "green" machine. Ain't gonna happen. The thing is soaked in and dripping with oil. It was designed by oil company contracts. It is not compatible with the "green" age. It is not meant for the future. We should melt down all those nasty old iron engine blocks and turn them into core rods for solid state "free" energy devices. Searle Disks, TPUs, Soft Particle Reactors, Hubbard Coils, and other all electric forms of energy production are the future. The full electric vehicle, like the Tesla Roadster, will dominate the highways within the next 10 years.
There are better ways to utilize hydrogen, and HHO also...
Blessed Be Brothers...
a design like the one on the next video might help with the lubrication/oil problem.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IHFYzgpm2Cw
i'm sorry the video is in spanish and don't know about an english version, but i think the images allow to understand the concept pretty well.
about the water - iron issue, nowadays with all the carbon fiber and other composite materials i don't think rust should be a so big concern.
Petrol, does not lubricate the piston or the cylinder bores, crank and camshaft bearings have oil ways that lubricate them. and i dont believe that diesel does either, that only applies in two stroke engines, which have oil mixed with the petrol for lubrication, therefore two stroke engines have no oil sump, or thats how i understand it at least.
So why should water be any different to petrol in that regard?
Water or steam will destroy engine oil - nothing more. Not only thin layer of oil on the surfaces will be nullified - some steam and finally water goes down wheres oil, consequences crankshaft-mixed butter-like potage instead of high quality engine oil and The End comes fast. And not only when Meyers system - by my opinion - it will happend even when just hydrogen used as fuel. What is product of burning of hydrogen? - Water! Of course this problem will be solved with new type of oils and new materials for engine, special sealings etg ... but anyway interesting to see - ho long it takes when experimental rebuilt engine is totally out of order.
This problem was actual when 70-th fuel crisis - lots tried to squirt, using different method, water in to cylinders for saving gasoline - results was invariably the same - huge costs for repair of engine.
Regards,
khabe
Howdy Y'all,
There are lots iron parts in engines that are susceptible to rust. Using water as fuel will exponentiate the rust development on iron parts. All the iron parts need to be replaced with stainless steel parts. HHO is a good idea, you need to prepare your engine for the use of HHO.
Blessed Be Brothers...
I read somewhere that there are experimental engines made of ceramics, that maybe the way forward burning hydrogen.
Did any one watch Coast on BBC 2, I watched it just the other day, up in the Orkney's they are actually running cars on Hydrogen from converted tap water, they use the almost constant wind up there to generate the electric, to convert the water to Hydrogen/Oxygen.
It has a top speed of 45 miles per hour, but it would be great for a local run around, take a look at the link below.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/coast/programmes3/01_shetland_orkney.shtml
As the test we did will show, i am a merely a half educated peasant, but even i can see that Hydrogen from water does work.
We did some tests of producing hydrogen from tap water, i firstly tried with a variable voltage battery, charger with 12 volts, then with 24 volts, i may be telling you what you know all ready, but ile post my info anyway, just in case some one has not yet had a pop at it.
What we found was, the Higher the voltage, the quicker the water converted.
The hotter the water the faster it converted. - An engine once running creates the heat to aid conversion
The bigger surface area of the electrodes the faster the conversion, - We started off using 6 inch stainless nails, and then used 7inch by 4 inch rather thin Stainless steel plates,
Water converts quicker when mixed with sulfuric acid, although we never tried that, i got that idea from an Auto electrics book, i was reading. The car battery as it charges actually produces Hydrogen and is vented in to the engine compartment, although sealed for life batteries are now coming on stream.
When mixing water and Sulfuric Acid together, i seem remember that you have to add a small amount of Acid to the water, and NOT add water to the Acid.
For acceleration, we were thinking a reostat???? but we know very little of what power scale they work on, would any one here know about Reostats??? if i am correct they are used to very Voltage or current, is that correct????
And finally all three things are already part of the car, Acid, heat, and electric.
Sorry if this is too basic for you guys, but it may help some one who's as dim as me. ;D
More info here, regarding the Orkney hydrogen project.
http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/advocate/ad93sref.asp
khabe, do you not think that any water produced be the combustion of the Hydrogen would not just get pushed out of the cylinder with the waist exhaust gas's?
Did anyone catch on to what Meyers said about using processed water in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDtCkLxQd8&feature=related
There are other video's and speeches where he talks of using negative and positive energy's.
This makes me think that he may have been pre charging the water with negative or positive and then using the opposite to ignite it.
I do know that it is obvious that the water he has used is preconditioned or as he puts it, processed.
One thing that bothers me is the way his patent's are worded. They are worded in such a way that any thing we build that uses water as a fuel, would violate his patent. Does anyone know if his patents are open source and if not, does anyone know who holds the rights to his patents?
I was just thinking and I came to the conclusion that the water must be positive charged because the engine is attached to the negative. So if you inject a positive in to a negative you get a explosive reaction.
How do we supply water with a positive charge? Do we just run a positive lead from say, the alternator or battery, and place it in to a body of water by it's self without a negative source?
I remember seeing a video where they charged a body of water and when a human touched it, it popped. I am not if it was charge with a positive or a negative or both and it would be interesting to find out.
Quote from: khabe on August 06, 2008, 09:20:55 AM
Water or steam will destroy engine oil - nothing more. Not only thin layer of oil on the surfaces will be nullified - some steam and finally water goes down wheres oil, consequences crankshaft-mixed butter-like potage instead of high quality engine oil and The End comes fast. And not only when Meyers system - by my opinion - it will happend even when just hydrogen used as fuel. What is product of burning of hydrogen? - Water! Of course this problem will be solved with new type of oils and new materials for engine, special sealings etg ... but anyway interesting to see - ho long it takes when experimental rebuilt engine is totally out of order.
This problem was actual when 70-th fuel crisis - lots tried to squirt, using different method, water in to cylinders for saving gasoline - results was invariably the same - huge costs for repair of engine.
Regards,
khabe
let me ask the opposite question that you asked. what is the product of burning gasoline? the answer: carbon dioxide CO2, Carbon Monoxide CO (catalytic converter is used to make CO into CO2)(I almost forgot to mention CO is poisonous), and water. did I say water? yes water is produced when you burn gasoline. but how can this be? gasoline is a hydrocarbon. the more potent the gasoline the more octane, if I am not mistaken that would mean less carbon. and it is unleaded. what is water? H2O! actually here is some physics: Gasoline isn't a pure compound it's a mixture of hydrocarbons typically about 5-10 carbons long, depending on the grade. So it would be C5H12 + C6H14 + C7H16 etc. look how much hydrogen is in that molecule. this proves water is a byproduct of gasoline, and a major byproduct.
When gasoline then, yes, also some water included in exhaust?s (steam) - it caused many problems for engineers - mostly solved.
When hydrogen then water (steam) is main product in exhaust.
Im absolutely 100% YES!!! man about using water, hydrogen, HHO ot what ever - just tried to let you know about mentioned problems.
Even Alcohol - good fuel as well - does shorten life of common car engine - main problem is corrosion and inconcinnity with common oils.
When engine designed for Alcohol - then those problems are mostly solved.
My opinion is that just rebuilt common car engine could be not give very good results - engine must to be especially designed/built for
another kind of fuels.
regards,
khabe
Quote from: z.monkey on July 04, 2008, 09:35:36 PM
Howdy Dankie,
You should give up trying to turn the internal combustion engine into a "green" machine. Ain't gonna happen. The thing is soaked in and dripping with oil. It was designed by oil company contracts. It is not compatible with the "green" age. It is not meant for the future. We should melt down all those nasty old iron engine blocks and turn them into core rods for solid state "free" energy devices. Searle Disks, TPUs, Soft Particle Reactors, Hubbard Coils, and other all electric forms of energy production are the future. The full electric vehicle, like the Tesla Roadster, will dominate the highways within the next 10 years.
There are better ways to utilize hydrogen, and HHO also...
Blessed Be Brothers...
UH, no, it wasn't "designed by oil companies". Origionally, they were made to run on ethanol or in the case of the diesel veggie/ peanut oil.
They are pretty darn green BTW. I don't think we will be melting them down anytime soon, especially for crackpot "free'" energy that doesn't exist.
The ethanol burning modified diesel, puts out zero emissions; models used in super hybrid buses being developed in Brazil get over 140 mpg. Expect to see them coming to cities in the USA soon.
Hey Folks, I'm a newby. This post started with the "Magic Spark Plug" or " Water Gun" can't recall what he called it.
I do remember Stan saying you could use " Slick 50 " of course there are better products now. Amsoil comes to mind.
An old Army Mechanic said to run Transmission fluid in your engine for 20 minutes at idle, Drain and replace w/ Synthetics.
This soaks into the poors of the metal. I think most exhaust on newer models are made of S.S.
I'm sure we can come up with an additive to dehydrate, absorb or disburse any moisture at point of ignition.