Have a look at this amazing selfrunning device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlinM1wAI5U
The only thing, that puzzles
me, why is the lamp going out so fast
at the end, when he removes the plug and
after about 2 seconds the lamp goes out immediately...
Hmm, is this due to the modified generator ?
Shouldn?t the lamp go out more slowly as the generator is
still turning ?
Regards, Stefan.
This video was just uploaded by the inventor
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zlinM1wAI5U
Shows a pump driving a waterwheel and powering itself and a bulb.
More info http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:James_D._Hardy%27s_Self-Looped_Water_Pump_and_Electricity_Generator
Patent : http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=217&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&p=5&S1=%22Electricity+Generator%22&OS=
Should be very easy to replicate :-)
The video was very entertaining, he really was worried (rightly so) about mains electricity and lots of water sploshing about. :D
I am also a little curious as to why the bulb brightness dropped instantly halfway through the generator wind-down? But then radiant resonance does show very high Q, maybe that's something to do with it???
Also, as k4zep said in the youtube video comments, the pelton turbine in the system is certainly suboptimal, he should use deep tablespoons instead of flat washers for the turbine blades to get a much better efficiency.
Here's Page 1 of the US Patent Pending "US Patent App #2007001846" . It's 6 pages long.
Here's Page 2 of the US Patent Pending "US Patent App #2007001846" .
Here's Page 3 of the US Patent Pending "US Patent App #2007001846" .
Here's Page 4 of the US Patent Pending "US Patent App #2007001846" .
Here's Page 5 of the US Patent Pending "US Patent App #2007001846" .
Here's Page 6 of the US Patent Pending "US Patent App #2007001846" .
I like the concept picture posted at www.peswiki.com ( http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Site:This_concept_could_harness_free_electricity_from_gravity_and_water )
I'd love to see someone here try and replicate this one.....
nice looks damn formiliar....
my link http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1977.0.html
high speed will be far more efficient ;) ;) ;D
thanks to IronHead for msging me the link to this vid .... thanks bro 8)
congrats to the builder.....
does it self accelerate?
;)
ist
Replicate the original, then expand the idea. The pump is not used to move the water above itself. You are adding gravity to the equation which the video clearly does not do.
I don't like how the inventor in question decided his patented path. How many pages will be wasted on nonesense and bs I wonder. We need to convince him open source is the way to go. If he can't get convinced then in my book his claims aren't what he says they are.
So it just seems like he's claiming that a turbine can generate more electric power than is needed to create the water pressure which drives it by a pump. If this was the case wouldn't it have been noticed when the first turbines where built?
I agree with deseret in that the video showed nothing of a reservoir above the pump no multiple generators as pictured in the diagram above, this would reduce the pressure and add drag making it less efficient in my mind.
Take care all.
Paul
Quote from: PwrDream on July 16, 2008, 04:45:41 PM
I like the concept picture posted at www.peswiki.com ( http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Site:This_concept_could_harness_free_electricity_from_gravity_and_water )
I'd love to see someone here try and replicate this one.....
Can we please continue to discuss over here the original and not this other concept,
as it is much different.
I guess the modified generator plays a major role to get this
James Hardy device selfrunning.
Probably the generator is running on resonance due to these added capacitors,
so the pump as the load does not draw too many amps...
Maybe he could use a tesla turbine to increase effficiency !!
Quote from: koostos on July 16, 2008, 06:54:29 PM
Maybe he could use a tesla turbine to increase effficiency !!
Why does he have the generator connected to a 80% efficient electric motor in the pump that is driving the 40% efficient water pump/water wheel?
Why not just connect the 80% efficient electric motor in the pump directly to the generator?
Something does not add up here?
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
Birmingham, Alabama
he said he had the generator rewound it spins awfully slow and still lights the bulb nicely
im wondering if in side the generator they used a bifiller coil and 1 coil per phase is shorted upon its self?
to cancel the flux? thus reduce backtorque also the caps i just guessing here are permentally charged !!!
from an outside source.... prior to operation
hummmm
ist
He needs funding.. Big red flag. :'(
This is an obvious scam.
Quote from: newbie123 on July 16, 2008, 08:51:40 PM
He needs funding.. Big red flag. :'(
Not funding, "founding". Also, I saw about 20 gallons pumped in about 20 seconds.
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 16, 2008, 03:09:31 PM
Have a look at this amazing selfrunning device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlinM1wAI5U
The only thing, that puzzles
me, why is the lamp going out so fast
at the end, when he removes the plug and
after about 2 seconds the lamp goes out immediately...
Hmm, is this due to the modified generator ?
Shouldn?t the lamp go out more slowly as the generator is
still turning ?
Regards, Stefan.
Nah! Thats are not self-runner, he got somewhere another wire which power it up. Whatch at 5:50 when he disconect wire, bulb brightness don't even go down but after couple of seconds it just go off.
I think that is not for real.
Quote from: Yucca on July 16, 2008, 04:20:26 PM
The video was very entertaining, he really was worried (rightly so) about mains electricity and lots of water sploshing about. :D
I am also a little curious as to why the bulb brightness dropped instantly halfway through the generator wind-down? But then radiant resonance does show very high Q, maybe that's something to do with it???
Also, as k4zep said in the youtube video comments, the pelton turbine in the system is certainly suboptimal, he should use deep tablespoons instead of flat washers for the turbine blades to get a much better efficiency.
Hi Yucca,
Well it is entertaining as heck. I SOOOO wanted him to get zapped just a little and jump 2 feet in those boots!
IF he is using a normal AC motor set up as generator, etc., as it spins down, there is a very abrupt area when it would stop self exciting and drop off line...........I don't know if he is for real or not but the basics appears to be there . If you start looking at efficiencies, the nozzle is horrible, the water wheel is for hunger, the belt drive is very inefficient, that style of generator is not that hot. I feel like I'm watching a "Dr. Frankinstine" movie there..........."It's ALIVE...........It's ALIVE.......Right now, I'll go for "what you see is what you see! Anybody know what/where he got that pump?
Ben
Yep most of the setup should be very inefficient to generate electricity,
however that's what we also said to the bumblebee
QuoteNot funding, "founding". Also, I saw about 20 gallons pumped in about 20 seconds.
What is unusual about that?
I have also seen motors run, and generators make electricity, and water wheels spin.
I don't know what thrill these jokers get out of making fake overunity devices, but this thing is such an obvious fake that it isn't funny. What is funny is that people see some water splashing and wheels turning and automatically believe that it is self running, without thinking about it at all.
Thank you Butch for applying some critical thinking here. Why would a person connect a pump to a motor and have the pump turn a paddle wheel that is connected to the generator instead of just coupling the motor to the generator with the appropriate ratio. The whole water thing just wastes energy. (And confuses people into thinking it has something to do with the operation of the thing.)
Use your heads, people.
@all
There is something about Newton's laws that bother me. The one about one action causes an equal and opposite reaction. Logic would say this video shouldn't work. But he has added something to the equation, velocity and momentum. When one fires a gun, the bullet leaves at high velocity with small mass and the heavy mass rifle kicks back with a jerk. Newton's law at work, or is it?
When I was young, I happened to see a grizzly photo of some kind of shoot out. A man was laying on the ground with his legs all twisted around like a corkscrew.
He had gotten shot in the hip and the bullet hit him with such force it spun him completely around breaking his legs in multiple places. I don't think you could do that with just the rifle itself swinging it as hard as you could and hitting him in the same place. I always wanted to experiment and have a rifle in a floating tank in water, fire the gun and see if the kick back would equal the bullet hitting the opposite wall of the tank. My bet is that the tank would move in the direction of the bullet hitting the wall.
Maybe velocity changes Newtons laws? High velocity is hitting that Pelton Wheel. I am not a math guy, just an observer of life.
Tishatang
I just found this comment:
On July 16, 2008, New Energy Cognress member, Francis Giroux wrote:
Come on. You guys can?t possibly believe this crude contraption runs itself. The pump making the jet of water must take at least one half horsepower (372 watts) and the light bulb at least 40 watts. That shaft driven from his very crude paddle turbine must run a generator to produce at least 400-500 watts to be able to self run. The shaft looks like it is turning at about 250 rpm (4 revs per second). With a 18? diameter or 9? radius paddle turbine, what amount of torque must be produced at 250 rpm to get 400 watts of power? Well 550 ft lb seconds = one horsepower = 748 watts. So he needs at least 300 ft lbs of steady torque produced. If his flywheel is 9? diameter that would have to be 400 pounds of constant pressure needed at the rim of that pulley. Since it only has six paddles on it, that pressure will not be steady and since he has very little mass on that flywheel, how can he get 400 pounds of steady torque on the rim of that pulley with only six paddles. I would be hard pressed to believe he could get 400 pound of pressure with the wheel held steady and the jet of water squirting directly onto one single paddle. Gee that would require about 400 psi water pressure since the cross sectional area of the hose is obviously less than one square inch. The hose looks like ?? ID hose which would be less than 0.2 square inches. So I guess the pressure would have to be 400 x 5 = 2000 psi. And we haven?t even talked about the flimsy paddles held onto a flimsy pulley with a single 3/16? stove bolt. That flimsy paddle holding 400 lbs of pressure is laughable, much less 2000 pounds
Well,
one thing is for sure:
The pump versus the water wheel is back drag free !
The pump is always using the same input power , if you drive with it the water wheel
or not.
When the water has flown out of the nozzle and hitting the water wheel
this does not require more power to the pump.
The pump does not see the water wheel.
It always needs the same input power...
That is the difference to an electrical motor, which would need
more input power, when you drive a load with it..
So if you take a bigger diameter wheel you will also get more mechanical power
out of it,
as the torque onto the axis of the water wheel will get bigger and thus the
mechanical power output on its axis.
If this really is enough to keep the system selflooped going
has to come from independent verifications.
I guess a major role also plays the modified generator with its 2 capacitors
probably running on a resonance mode.
So we have to wait and see, if this turns out to be true
or if this is just another fake...
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 17, 2008, 07:15:46 AM
I just found this comment:
On July 16, 2008, New Energy Cognress member, Francis Giroux wrote:
Come on. You guys can?t possibly believe this crude contraption runs itself. The pump making the jet of water must take at least one half horsepower (372 watts) and the light bulb at least 40 watts. That shaft driven from his very crude paddle turbine must run a generator to produce at least 400-500 watts to be able to self run. The shaft looks like it is turning at about 250 rpm (4 revs per second). With a 18? diameter or 9? radius paddle turbine, what amount of torque must be produced at 250 rpm to get 400 watts of power? Well 550 ft lb seconds = one horsepower = 748 watts. So he needs at least 300 ft lbs of steady torque produced. If his flywheel is 9? diameter that would have to be 400 pounds of constant pressure needed at the rim of that pulley. Since it only has six paddles on it, that pressure will not be steady and since he has very little mass on that flywheel, how can he get 400 pounds of steady torque on the rim of that pulley with only six paddles. I would be hard pressed to believe he could get 400 pound of pressure with the wheel held steady and the jet of water squirting directly onto one single paddle. Gee that would require about 400 psi water pressure since the cross sectional area of the hose is obviously less than one square inch. The hose looks like ?? ID hose which would be less than 0.2 square inches. So I guess the pressure would have to be 400 x 5 = 2000 psi. And we haven?t even talked about the flimsy paddles held onto a flimsy pulley with a single 3/16? stove bolt. That flimsy paddle holding 400 lbs of pressure is laughable, much less 2000 pounds
Currently what that guy says is as useless as the video of the inventor. Both prove nothing. You can't use "conventional" reasoning to discredit a revolutionary device and as for the inventor he can't just use a video to convince people. Or he opens up and brings an end to this useless speculation so people can replicate and confirm or he just gets ignored. I would ask him to
politely come on to this forum and clarify his invention some more.
I emailed Mr. Hardy yeasterday to come to this forum,
but he has not responded so far and did not show up yet.
If hes a fake then he just humiliated himself in front of millions of youtuber's
His face/body are well shown and is easily recognizable, so maybe
in weeks or months time he can either have a plastic surgery or
migrate to a place/countries where no one can recognize him.
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 17, 2008, 07:23:31 AM
Well,
one thing is for sure:
The pump versus the water wheel is back drag free !
The pump is always using the same input power , if you drive with it the water wheel
or not.
When the water has flown out of the nozzle and hitting the water wheel
this does not require more power to the pump.
The pump does not see the water wheel.
It always needs the same input power...
That is the difference to an electrical motor, which would need
more input power, when you drive a load with it..
So if you take a bigger diameter wheel you will also get more mechanical power
out of it,
as the torque onto the axis of the water wheel will get bigger and thus the
mechanical power output on its axis.
If this really is enough to keep the system selflooped going
has to come from independent verifications.
I guess a major role also plays the modified generator with its 2 capacitors
probably running on a resonance mode.
So we have to wait and see, if this turns out to be true
or if this is just another fake...
Good Morning All,
The funny thing, I'll take his side right now..........and everyone that knows me knows that I am as cynical as an observer can be but that does not change my objectivity. I just like his enthusiasm! His video has given me more chuckles and fun at age 65 than I have had in a many a day.
Funny thing about that pump, From using a hose on utility water, looks like he is not running more than 50-70 pounds of pressure initially.....Now that pump looks like it has a 3" intake and then there is a large white reducer down to about 1 1/2 ", then it is reduced again into what looks like a 1" plastic nozzle which he re-directs at the WHEEL after he switches over.........I'll let it ride at that. What the velocity is at that point I do not know.
Now the wheel, he sprays it on, the funky 18"dia wheel with VERY few paddles. I suggest that they just get it started and he is actually spraying it on the rim of the wheel itself and transferring energy to the wheel all the time in a limited slip form of traction.....again, efficiency unknown. Then he reduces it down to about a 5" wheel for an increase of speed of about almost 4/1.....If the wheel is running say 300 RPM, then the generator is turning 1200 or so RPM. Remember he decreases the torque on the generator by the same factor when this is done....ONE thing he does not show is the drag of the rotor backwards through the belting because the belt is off when he "shows" the parts. He did say that the bearings were replaced with low drag bearings, and a funny statement about holes drilled in the motor........I have heard the same statements about the rotor verter system to reduce drag in the generator.........I also think that the bulb might be on some sort of regulator or constant current circuit hence brightness would not vary as I see what looks like a FWBR down there on the end of the motor plus other unidenitified stuff....This is possibly because of the wildly varying voltage when the motor is not there as part of the load but gives a partial load to the output to keep the generator under control until pump is attached. I suspect the voltage on the generator is considerably higher than normal until the pump is attached. (Hence gloves, boots, he obviously has had his bell rung or his hair smoked and is really gun shy of something in that box!) IF you listen carefully, the device does speed up for several seconds after he "switches" , adjust the nozel, and if OU, does find equiberilum. Also notice that when he unplugs the pump, the light DOES get brighter slightly and them dims a bit before switching off.......Anyway.......
Thats my observations for the day. I'l still give the charactor the benefit of a doubt..........No I don't have money to invest and would have to see a lot more than what is shown before that would happen.......
Ben
It is strange to see people suggesting "improvements" when no one knows for sure if it works as advertised on the tube....
You don't need diagrams, you don't need detailed descriptions to replicate it, its so simple.
All you need is the specs of the generator, which I've asked on the tube, but have received no reply.
You can guess the specs in case he decides not to come here or reply. The pump looks like can take 110V 60 Hz supply and 5 Amps AC (Wall power), so the generator must output the same if you want it to run the pump.
Now the next unknown is RPM of the water wheel on which it should turn to get that voltage. I have no way to guess it from the video. But you can adjust the flow from the nozzle to make the wheel turn slower or faster.
Count the number of peddles from the vid.
I hope someone takes it up.
What about the pump ?
If its motor is of the asynchronous type - the
rpms are bound to mains frequency.
What I know about those pumps from playing around
is that the rpms are almost the same for any load
condition. This means that the powerconsumption
depends on the output pressure / length/height of the
connected hose. Even if there is no water comming out because
of not sufficient pressure - the motor turns with nominal rpm
at maximum power consumption.
In this case - the motor "lifts" the water lets say 60cm.
I would say that the powerconsumption is less than 100 Watts
in this setup.
There is one conditition - that the ac output frequency of the
generator - the rpms of the generator must be similar to mains -
that would be 60Hz.
nice setup.
Quote from: k4zep on July 17, 2008, 04:46:02 AM
Hi Yucca,
Well it is entertaining as heck. I SOOOO wanted him to get zapped just a little and jump 2 feet in those boots!
IF he is using a normal AC motor set up as generator, etc., as it spins down, there is a very abrupt area when it would stop self exciting and drop off line...........I don't know if he is for real or not but the basics appears to be there . If you start looking at efficiencies, the nozzle is horrible, the water wheel is for hunger, the belt drive is very inefficient, that style of generator is not that hot. I feel like I'm watching a "Dr. Frankinstine" movie there..........."It's ALIVE...........It's ALIVE.......Right now, I'll go for "what you see is what you see! Anybody know what/where he got that pump?
Ben
Hi Ben(k4zep)
Yes, a very funny video:D, he must have had a shock or two off it already! :D
My hat off too him if it self runs! If there is any magic then it must be in the generator or maybe the pump because it sure as hell isn't in the pelton! Why not just take out the watery bits and run the generator off the pump motor?
P.S I recognized your handle in the comments because I've been watching your progress in the plasma sparkplug thread like a hawk.
Hi all,
I am wondering if his water pump has a "venturi" design in it, meaning it uses a small source of water flow to create a venturi which will allow a "mechanical type" pump to flow a lot more water. These mechanical types of pumps are used in jet aircraft, where the main pump creates a suction to a mechanical pump (venturi design), which allows it to pump way more fuel to the main pump. This would use a smaller amount of electric power to get big flow. This could create the over unity. All it needs is some flow to get going and keep it pumping.
If Dirtdiggler reads this, you may be able to discuss this more deeply, as I believe you said you have experience in aviation mechanics.
Mark
Quote from: Yucca on July 17, 2008, 04:19:02 PM
Hi Ben(k4zep)
Yes, a very funny video:D, he must have had a shock or two off it already! :D
My hat off too him if it self runs! If there is any magic then it must be in the generator or maybe the pump because it sure as hell isn't in the pelton! Why not just take out the watery bits and run the generator off the pump motor?
P.S I recognized your handle in the comments because I've been watching your progress in the plasma sparkplug thread like a hawk.
Hi Yucca,
Yep its me, Ben. One of the reason I give him a reasonable doubt and feel he is probably legit is just watching him. He is so excited that just before he fires it up, he is almost hyperventilating..........The last time I felt that excited was about 30 years ago and she was 25.................Anyway, I need to read the patent again....sometimes reading several times helps.
Why not take out the water? Perhaps it is the decoupled effect between the pump and generator that is one of many reasons.
Yes, I'm still puttering with the "Plasma" effect. I am having some serious problems with basic theory. Will not discuss further here as off topic......
Ben.
James Hardy just wrote to me:
"I wanted to touch base to let you know the situation at hand following my You Tube video installation. I have been receiving numerous emails and phone calls as the interest in the generator is extremely high. As a result, I am reading and organizing the emails with the intention of replying to each one. This, however, will take several weeks at least, based on the number of emails and phone calls I have received to date.
If everyone would bear with me with their comments perhaps we can all work together as a team to move on to the future. I understand everyone has an opinion and I appreciate that.
James Hardy"
Quote from: Yucca on July 17, 2008, 04:19:02 PM
Why not just take out the watery bits and run the generator off the pump motor?
Well, then you would have Lenz law at work with the back drag onto the
motor needing more amps, when you connect a load like the light bulb
to the generator output.
If you use the pump you have a back drag free coupling
and if you make the diameter of the water wheel bigger you
get automatically a higher efficiency as you get more torque
on the water wheel.
For the pump it does not matter or it does not use more input power,
if the water wheel has a diameter of 1 Meter or 10 Meters.
Always the same input power into the pump,
buta 10 meter diameter wheel will have also lots more of torque and
thus much more mechanical output power...
Surely it depends also on the speed of rotation,
but as the pump shoots out the "water bullets" as
fast as it can, a bigger wheel
will almost reach the same speed as a smaller diameter wheel...
and thus the bigger diameter wheel will have more mechanical output power.
Anyone know what kind of pump that he's using? I wanted to try this out, but I cannot find anything submersible that's even near 165GPM.
stephen im gonna correct you
the smaller the turbine the faster the spinn NO MATTER THE WEIGHT !!!!!!!!!
THE WEIGHT will = the torque at a given rpm get it ....
build it small in dimater and heavy in weight this way you can PLUSE THE WATTER SUPPLY ;) ;)
and cut back on in put power by 50 - 75 percent after operation speed is achived the CYNCTRIFICAL MOTION OF THE WEIGHT will make up the diffrence when the water is plused ....
once somthing is set in motion it will tend to stay in motion or can be kept in motion with LITTLE EXTRA INPUT NEEDED ;)
there is 1 way to make it better than i have so far in my device ... that is throw a TESLA HPG in it..... ya know the faraday disc that TESLA sectioned ;D
ist
btw a big wheel will take much more power and time to achive the desired results unless of course you GEAR IT PROPERLY ;) ;) ;D
Quote
Anyone know what kind of pump that he's using? I wanted to try this out, but I cannot find anything submersible that's even near 165GPM. (http://[quote%20author=squegee69%20link=topic=5176.msg113643#msg113643%20date=1216349443)
Man, I rule. :) Found a 10,000 gph one that looks just like it on ebay...Cal Pump 10,000 GPH Submersible / In-Line Water Pump... (166 gpm) Gazoinks, that's some good water fun.
I think the name is Cal Pump Torpedo T10000
One on ebay right now, $250 buy it now..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cal-Pump-10-000-GPH-Submersible-In-Line-Water-Pump_W0QQitemZ270235422658QQihZ017QQcategoryZ134750QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
Or here..
Has links for UK and USA * http://www.macarthurwatergardens.com/cal-pump/torpedo-pumps.shtml *
http://garden-pond-filters.com/calpump_torpedopumps.htm
(http://garden-pond-filters.com/calpump_torpedopumps.htm)
Says, 10,000 gph, with 1 foot lift...so, if you optimized the placement of the water intake and the wheel outlet to minimize any lift, might need less juice.
Many are looking at the generator part of this setup, but perhaps the turbine pump is the source of OU.
If that's the case we need to know the exact model he is using.
We should do it quickly before the manufacturer finds out what they have,
or the wrong people get wind of it and buy the manufacturer out.
Quote from: AbbaRue on July 18, 2008, 12:52:02 AM
Many are looking at the generator part of this setup, but perhaps the turbine pump is the source of OU.
If that's the case we need to know the exact model he is using.
We should do it quickly before the manufacturer finds out what they have,
or the wrong people get wind of it and buy the manufacturer out.
Appears it's the T10000, a Cal Pump torpedo model.
Inside..
http://www.exoticwaterscapes.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=81
That buy it now link I posted is too high, you can get them for $190 + shipping, also on Ebay, buy it now.
After doing a google search on torpedo pumps it looks like this is the only 10000 gal/h model around.
Also a lot of places selling it, so we have the pump part solved,
Now for the generator, anyone recognize the model from the picture.
I know it was modified but it would be good to know what model he started with.
There are many 160 GPM submersible pumps (1 to 0.5 HP) available. Just google it. :)
I guess he modified the generator, and its not a standard product , now we are stuck ...
BATMAN ....HERE HI ALL
Did BATMAN here WATER WHEEL/GEN.
HERE IS A PIC. WATER TURBINE/GEN UNIT. PRE-PRODUCTION UNIT
BATMAN HAVE A GREAT DAY.
QuoteIf Dirtdiggler reads this, you may be able to discuss this more deeply, as I believe you said you have experience in aviation mechanics.
Hi Mark,
Sorry I can't be much help on this venturi pump. I don't have any experiance with that style, all the ones I have seen are either simple diaphram, or carbon vane type pumps. Perhaps they are used on very large aircraft, like 747 and such. I will however check with the shop that handles our fuel system overhaul work, and see if I can get some info.
We do use some pretty neat air venturi's for some different systems though, like pressurization, and de-icing that can create vacuum or pressure with a small solenoid. pretty cool cause you can change back and forth moving big volumes of air, with only a .1 amp electric draw.
ciao, Dirt
Quote from: BATMAN on July 18, 2008, 02:13:48 PM
BATMAN ....HERE HI ALL
Did BATMAN here WATER WHEEL/GEN.
HERE IS A PIC. WATER TURBINE/GEN UNIT. PRE-PRODUCTION UNIT
BATMAN HAVE A GREAT DAY.
Hi Batman,
please let us know, what that system should be.
Many thanks.
P.S.Do you also have a video of it ?
Regards, Stefan.
That Batman guy is a funny dude.
batmans rig looks like a tesla turbine run backward ;D
it almost looks like you pump the water in the center of the turbine and allow it to spray out tiny pin holes
if this is the case... nice verry nice
also it would seam as tho creative engeries are at play inside out not outside in ;D
ist
Quote from: malakabayo on July 17, 2008, 05:05:51 AM
Yep most of the setup should be very inefficient to generate electricity,
however that's what we also said to the bumblebee
I didn't know bumble bees generate electricity :D
If this system works then it beckons a scientific explanation. Not shown in the video is a battery that runs the pump during the switchover. This is #6 in the patent. I don't see it in the video, and the video indicates he must quickly change outlets while the momentum of the device carry's the load. If he is converting xx watts of energy to run the lamp, from whence does it come? Maybe with all that water there is a thermal change...but xx watts worth? Nah... perhaps all we are seeing is the initial startup time converted into prolonged rundown time.
I will be waiting for 14 hour version in the middle of the drive way with a Sundial and pendulum clock with .01 second hand in the shot. (jk) Anything can be faked these days, I guess we'll all just have to build one for ourselves :(
Cheers,
Harvey
Hi Batman,
please let us know, what that system should be.
Many thanks.
P.S.Do you also have a video of it ?
Regards, Stefan.
BATMAN....HERE HI Stefan
I don't know were to begin on this project "WATER TURBINE/GEN."
I have over 100 hours of VHS TAPES that need to be turned int HD for up load.
project stared 1984 to 2008
here is a pic of one of the WATER TANK'S
The turbine works to run any gen. bought in a store!
will talk soon............BATMAN......HAVE A NICE DAY.......BATMAN LOVE'S TO MAKE PRIMEMOVER'S.
You should clarify the principle some more. These pictures really are useless. The obvious question is..Is it overunity?
Quote from: broli on July 19, 2008, 12:02:19 PM
You should clarify the principle some more. These pictures really are useless. The obvious question is..Is it overunity?
i spent bout 2 years on my unit ;D
now lets ask the question if i worked 2 years and BATMAN has worked 24 years on his
do you find your question to be a dumb 1?
ist
Something just doesn't look right here. With all the Tesla turbine experiments using both water and air, I have yet to see results such as that are claimed here.
Air is much easier to move and pump then water and therefore it should produce the same results if not better.
Another thing is the transfer of power. The way it is shown in the video is not very efficient but yet it shows that it still works. The paddles are actually creating resistance which takes away from the efficiency. The additional pulley added to the length of the shaft creates more resistance.
The generator seems to be the key here if it does work as stated. It is charging the caps and the caps are dumping into the 60 watt bulb. As mentioned before, the bulb does not fade away as it should. As the generator's rotation fades, so should the bulbs light. Unless they have some sort of diode setup placed before the caps that would only allow a high voltage pass and after the generator slows down it no longer supply?s enough voltage to pass the diodes and therefore no longer supply?s the caps with the power needed to recharge them which would immediately kill the power to the bulb.
Even if this worked as stated, I still can not see it running it's self and yet have power left over to light up the 60 watt bulb. This is interesting to say the least and further testing should be done although I think that this concept has been tested and found to be no good unless we have been misled about findings with others testing?s.
QuoteSomething just doesn't look right here.
The gullibility of people here is more unbelievable than the device being discussed.
Does anyone really believe for a moment that you can pump water, turn a bike wheel with some spoons attached, turn a generator, and generate enough to run the pump? You have got to be kidding, right?
You are really showing your lack of critical thinking to believe this.
Why is this setup any different than hooking the pump motor straight to the generator? Answer: It adds a bunch of losses to the system, assuring that it will not work. If the guy had hooked the motor straight to the generator, you would have probably never believed it. Instead he puts an obvious bunch of losses between the motor and the generator, and you actually believe it would work, and come up with all kinds of crazy theories why it would work.
???????
BLDC motors and generators - my main activities for past ten years. Im building special purpose generators, high efficient as possible, minimized losses using most novel materials ever available - takes lot of time, high precision machinings ... tens of rebuildings ... oh dear whats cost!
And one cowboy, using some plywood, two washing machine wheels, crooked rod as shaft, tanker-spreader submersible water pump and at least 50 years old farm generator ... then wriggling few seconds with cables and ... getting free energy!
Hmm!
Do you have at least fractional self-criticism?
Regards,
Khabe
Hi!
This setup, made in a garage with common parts, could drive a 60W light bulb. That is, if the pump uses some 500W of power, it can deliver 60W at the end of an energy conversion chain. Maybe "inventor" forget to mention that a pump is never disconnected from the mains?
Overall efficiency some 10, maybe 15%. Worst part being a paddle wheel (turbine) water stream to rotational motion conversion.
This is a faked experiment, and video.
The question is, why the man shows it in public claiming OU? For fun? Maybe he works in a company which makes those pumps... Or generators...
Maybe he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
Btw, how about BATMAN's device? Why is he provocating with those blurred photos? He's doing the same in AQ's thread...
What is it? Is OU claimed?
I got a feeling I saw this video material a few years ago...
Batman, would you clarify a bit ??
Cheers!
Hi All,
BTW:
There are 2 possible worlds:
1) World with no overunity.
2) World with overunity everywhere.
Due to my understanding and perception of this world - I prefer
2).
I?m quite sure that overunity has nothing todo with crazy coils wound
during full moon after an eclipse. Sometimes its better effort if you work
with things u understand than work with things you don?t.
If some guy worked for 24 years on water-pump-turbine-generator
setups - than this story is highly interesting for me - whatever result.
For me there is no difference between talking about hydrodynamics in
a pond water pump or a missing Maxwell equation as long as we don?t
understand both ;-)))))
rgds.
PS.: I don?t think his boots are too overdressed. If you work for 24 years
with water and electricity in a garage....
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 16, 2008, 03:09:31 PM
snip
The only thing, that puzzles
me, why is the lamp going out so fast
at the end, when he removes the plug and
after about 2 seconds the lamp goes out immediately...
Hmm, is this due to the modified generator ?
Shouldn?t the lamp go out more slowly as the generator is
still turning ?
Much as a computer APC kicks in when the line voltage drops a certain level, is it possible that the generator's voltage regulator when sensing voltage dropping below a certain point, kicks out to prevent brownout damage? And the connect to light goes?
That is the one funky aspect of this thing. Too bad the guy didn't say "It's a such and such generator with this kind of mod (as to the rewiring) "
One can re-make all but the generator part easily if they have the spare $400 or so and see how much torque and speed one could -in reality- get from that pump and setup.
Just from a quick look around the web, looks like a Generac? Maybe 10000 watt? (Not 50 years old as one poster said). Pump appears to be a Cal T10000 Torpedo.
rc
Quote from: khabe on July 19, 2008, 03:49:12 PM
BLDC motors and generators - my main activities for past ten years. Im building special purpose generators, high efficient as possible, minimized losses using most novel materials ever available - takes lot of time, high precision machinings ... tens of rebuildings ... oh dear whats cost!
And one cowboy, using some plywood, two washing machine wheels, crooked rod as shaft, tanker-spreader submersible water pump and at least 50 years old farm generator ... then wriggling few seconds with cables and ... getting free energy!
Hmm!
Do you have at least fractional self-criticism?
Regards,
Khabe
You may be right , but if not a hoax, then that sounds like sour grapes. Newbies in any field, not knowing what can't be done, can do both a lot of damage, and a lot of miracles.
That generator does not look 50 years old, looks like a fairly modern home or industrial portable, and the pump is a highly energy efficient fountain pump if my model guess is correct. (Cal Torpedo T10000)
But I wanted to believe in Archer Quinn at first, and I'm still waiting there (and will be and will be I'd have to say), so who knows. Maybe another wild pump chase.
rc
Quote from: Artist_Guy on July 19, 2008, 05:41:30 PM
Much as a computer APC kicks in when the line voltage drops a certain level, is it possible that the generator's voltage regulator when sensing voltage dropping below a certain point, kicks out to prevent brownout damage? And the connect to light goes?
That is the one funky aspect of this thing. Too bad the guy didn't say "It's a such and such generator with this kind of mod (as to the rewiring) "
One can re-make all but the generator part easily if they have the spare $400 or so and see how much torque and speed one could -in reality- get from that pump and setup.
Just from a quick look around the web, looks like a Generac? Maybe 10000 watt? (Not 50 years old as one poster said). Pump appears to be a Cal T10000 Torpedo.
rc
Hmm? OK - genarator is "military stuff", very secret one and so what? Efficient surelly not higher than 65%. Have you ever tried to spin the shaft of such like generator? Even without any load its not easy at all and you look at large washingmachine pulley, unefficient beltdrive 1:10 or even higher to the gen shaft ... Even when pump "appears to be a Cal T10000 Torpedo" (and so what?) it has less than 30% of efficient. When generator is younger than 50 years then Waterwheel is older than Jesus at that extreme stupidly made. Energy comes from where? From plywood ?
Why most of suchlike videos are done with very weak lightings? No energy? No money to buy more lamps?
khabe
OK,
lets do some calculations:
(this is referenced by the datasheet of the pump)
1.) 9720GP/h -> 37000 l/h @ 1600W/h -> 5,76 MJ
Potential Energie achieved by lifting water E=m.g.h = 108kJ
(-> not so much - this can be "collected" on comming down)
2.) Output hose diameter 1 inch = 2,54cm-> cross section 5cm square.
Water length in hose/beam 2m/1 liter.
This means with 37000l/h or 9720 GPH a speed of water beam of 70km/h or
20m/s.
The kinetic energy of the water beam is (m*v^2)/2 = (20*20m/s^2)*3600/2=
14.4MJ
3.) That means we invest 5.76MJ electrical power and get 108kJ of potential energy +
14.4MJ of kinetic energy. -> COP 2.52.
The Lamp takes 216 kJ -> resulting efficiency needed for generator+turbine
-> 40%.
CONCLUSION: (very vague but interesting - est. pump parameters may differ)
Even a turbine/generator setup with 40% efficiency would run forever.
amazing. nice pump.
PS.: Feel free to calculate it yourself - and don?t stick to the parts with coils
inside ;-))). I?ve seen no calculation so far.
Quote from: fritz on July 19, 2008, 07:49:20 PM
OK,
lets do some calculations:
snip
Nice.
He says that's 20 gallons in the tank there initially. It runs about 18-20 seconds before it's done actually, not the 5-10 he mentions. The pump test starts at a .18 second mark ends at about the .38-.40 mark.
That comes out to 60 gallons a minute going out, not 160...so things must be working better than that would indicate, or there's a problem?
The big wheel is 18 inches, the small is 4 he says, which means the generator is turning at 4.5 times the waterwheel's speed.
So, whatever speed the wheel is turning, the generator should be doing 4.5 times as fast?
What speed would the waterwheel be turning given that pump's output? I don't get a whole lot of rpm as to that here myself, but maybe I am figuring it wrong.
rc
Even when Generator has 95% efficient - this one surely does not ,
Even when mentioned Torpedo pump has some kind of wonderful virtue - gives to water more energy than spent - it surely does not,
Belt transmission efficiency:
http://www.cptbelts.com/pdf/misc/energy_loss_and_belt_efficiency.pdf even when actual drive is high-tech one - sorry my old eyes ...
What is efficincy of this High-Tech computer designed, laser gut Waterwheel ?
http://www.hp-gramatke.net/history/english/page0600.htm#w_wheels
Is it 30% ???
khabe
Quote from: fritz on July 19, 2008, 07:49:20 PM
OK,
lets do some calculations:
(this is referenced by the datasheet of the pump)
1.) 9720GP/h -> 37000 l/h @ 1600W/h -> 5,76 MJ
Potential Energie achieved by lifting water E=m.g.h = 108kJ
(-> not so much - this can be "collected" on comming down)
2.) Output hose diameter 1 inch = 2,54cm-> cross section 5cm square.
Water length in hose/beam 2m/1 liter.
This means with 37000l/h or 9720 GPH a speed of water beam of 70km/h or
20m/s.
The kinetic energy of the water beam is (m*v^2)/2 = (20*20m/s^2)*3600/2=
14.4MJ
3.) That means we invest 5.76MJ electrical power and get 108kJ of potential energy +
14.4MJ of kinetic energy. -> COP 2.52.
The Lamp takes 216 kJ -> resulting efficiency needed for generator+turbine
-> 40%.
CONCLUSION: (very vague but interesting - est. pump parameters may differ)
Even a turbine/generator setup with 40% efficiency would run forever.
amazing. nice pump.
PS.: Feel free to calculate it yourself - and don?t stick to the parts with coils
inside ;-))). I?ve seen no calculation so far.
Hi, Fritz!
I have to disagree with your calcs. Simply, centrifugal water pumps are not OU. They're not "heat pumps", where "surplus" energy (HEAT) is being pumped from an environment.
If you calculated that CoP is 2.5, then from where is this energy comming from?
Pumps like the one we're talking about are quite inneficient devices. Khabe said it's (overall) efficiency is probably below 30%, and I certainly agree with this number.
If the water stream output velocity really is 20 m/s, then the water flow rate is severely reduced. Accordingly, energy calcs results are quite lower, too. Well underunity.
Pump manufacturers are "cheating" big with providing ideal/theoretical values for capacities. But flow rate is easily measurable - there are good and not expensive flow meters on the market, still the easiest way is filling a known volume container in known time....
I have a "state of the art" centrifugal pump (all stainless steel and 2" output to pipe, single phase 600W). It's nominal capacity is declared at 14000 l/h, but It never went above 11000l/h (and that was at the beggining of emptying the pool - height difference less than a foot.). When the pool is allmost empty (-2m), it's pumping capacity is reduced below 5000l/h. So a 140m3 of water is pumped out after cca. 26 hours... Ah, yes, output pipe ID 2"/5cm, lenght 4m. If I would put a 1" "nozzle" at the exit, it would probably take a week to empty the pool.
The pump is definitelly not the source of OU in this setup. So - turbine or generator?
As turbine - "paddle" wheel (the spoons on a pulley every now and then) is (sorry to say) - rather primitive - highly inneficient. No OU here either.
If this setup is really self sustaining, than the generator must be at least 10xOU.
Either that, or "inventor" lies.
What is more probable?
Cheers!
Ok,
the 9720GPH thru a 1 inch hose is fictional -
this flow is rated for 2 x 3inch tubing at 1ft.
On the "test" he shoots up in the air which should
result in a different flow.
But the flow generated by this pump is amazing -
and this setup has some chance to run on his own
if its possible to transmit the high flow in a suitable
manner.
I made other calculations with more height on pumping -
But the clue from this setup is the high flow wich leds to
a high kinetic energy of the water stream.
Another funny aspect is that the 60 Watt bulb - our
output "energy" represents only 1% of the complete energy
transfer.
You have electrical and kinetic energy around -some MJ circulating
while the 60 Watts are only 200kJ.
rgds.
When experiment - then it need to be nice, not stupid!
Waterwheel need to be changed for at least this kind of turbine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVr8SnEJ18E and see Related Videos!
Efficiency of an automotive (alternator) generator is 54% (up to 80% very seldom) .
Generator must to be changed to high efficient PM brushless one - the good one has 95%, and gen must to be not large one!
Losses of high efficient but large 10KW gen are adequate - then 5% of losses are not small at all, see the efficient curve of generators - the best area is narrow,
Even when used this kind of turbine and direct drive high efficient generator ...unfortunately ... but OK - funny anyway ;-)
Then people at least can understand that serious men are trying something,
Up till now it looks like product of madhouse handicraft therapy,
Regards,
khabe
OK All,
We all agree that the math proves it can't work. The pump is all wrong, the generator is all wrong, the water wheel is all wrong, nothing makes sense................................
A pair of brothers dared to to challenge academia who said with certainty that MAN COULD NOT FLY......
They started the engine, the weights fell, A CAMERA WAS THERE to record the event (obviously trick photography) and the strange kite slid down the rails and rose into the air.............and man flew..................
Who is actually trying to build this strange setup? I live in a Condo on the 6th floor, simply can not build one here.....If I had my old shop to work in, I'd be squirting water all over the place out in the driveway! It's sort of like the lottery, the odds are awful but if you don't play you can't win.......So come on you young whippersnappers and armchair engineers, shake a leg and build this thing............t
Ben
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
Hi, Fritz!
I have to disagree with your calcs. Simply, centrifugal water pumps are not OU. They're not "heat pumps", where "surplus" energy (HEAT) is being pumped from an environment.
With the same arguments - I can declare that almost everything in this forums is
nonsense.
BTW: Viktor Schausberger did interesting things with vortex driven turbines -
and thos pump is nothing different.
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
If you calculated that CoP is 2.5, then from where is this energy comming from?
From hydrodynamics !? Other people working on OU from electrodynamics !????
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
Pumps like the one we're talking about are quite inneficient devices. Khabe said it's (overall) efficiency is probably below 30%, and I certainly agree with this number.
What efficiency are you talking about ?
If you take as efficiency the work needed lifting water some meters up - than 30-50%
is the efficiency. If you add the accelerated water flow at the end - the efficiency
is somewhat different.
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
If the water stream output velocity really is 20 m/s, then the water flow rate is severely reduced. Accordingly, energy calcs results are quite lower, too. Well underunity.
If you take have of the GPH (5000) and have 20m/s - there is still a
COP >1 (what concerns the pump - energy system (excl. generator+turbine)).
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
Pump manufacturers are "cheating" big with providing ideal/theoretical values for capacities. But flow rate is easily measurable - there are good and not expensive flow meters on the market, still the easiest way is filling a known volume container in known time....
I agree with that.
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
I have a "state of the art" centrifugal pump (all stainless steel and 2" output to pipe, single phase 600W). It's nominal capacity is declared at 14000 l/h, but It never went above 11000l/h (and that was at the beggining of emptying the pool - height difference less than a foot.). When the pool is allmost empty (-2m), it's pumping capacity is reduced below 5000l/h. So a 140m3 of water is pumped out after cca. 26 hours... Ah, yes, output pipe ID 2"/5cm, lenght 4m. If I would put a 1" "nozzle" at the exit, it would probably take a week to empty the pool.
I own a similar pump (...)
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
The pump is definitelly not the source of OU in this setup. So - turbine or generator?
As turbine - "paddle" wheel (the spoons on a pulley every now and then) is (sorry to say) - rather primitive - highly inneficient. No OU here either.
Where do you got your truth - "owning a pump" !????
A pump like this is from the mathematical point of view at least as complex as the
other parts involved.
It feels like you own a wide range overunity detector.
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
If this setup is really self sustaining, than the generator must be at least 10xOU.
Why ? because of the rotten copper inside !?
Why sould OU only occur in generators ? Thats bizarre.
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
Either that, or "inventor" lies.
There is no truth and there are no lies - only different perceptions
of reality.
The problems we are facing today are based on the illusion that there
is a truth somewhere out there - and if you are not willing to believe
that - they judge you in the name of the lord.
I dont like that.
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
What is more probable?
I dont know.
Quote from: spinner on July 20, 2008, 04:36:59 AM
Cheers!
Prosit !
Quote from: k4zep on July 20, 2008, 07:01:51 AM
OK All,
We all agree that the math proves it can't work. The pump is all wrong, the generator is all wrong, the water wheel is all wrong, nothing makes sense................................
I dont agree.
If you find a way to accelerate a water beam without adding excessive
pressure/load to the pump - then you gain a surplus of kinetic energy.
...
I am betting that the setup would not have ran by itself for very long. The amount of energy used to start the process would have lit that bulb for along time and I am betting it would have lit that bulb longer then what the setup does.
I tried to figure out what back pressure the
1 inch hose causes to find a realistic operating point for
this pump.
Normally, the Bernoulli equation keeps everything below
overunity here (...)
Maybe someone here is more used to this calculations.
Whats clear from my calculations is that the kinetic
energy "takes off" > 15m/s.(velocity goes in with power of 2)
The kinetic energy with the recommended 4inch hose is
pretty nothing -> only 1,3 m/s. Otherwise, the length of the
1 inch hose is short.
So everythings still unclear.
BTW:
Watching the video again near the end where the paddle-wheel is spun disconnected, there is an obvious "kerchunka" on each revolution, once per turn. Either due to a bent shaft, an out of balance wheel, something loose, you can clearly pick it up.
Rewinding back to the zoom-in of the paddles, where the device is running closed loop, you can clearly pick out the kerchunka sound. Watching the seconds count and counting the sounds, there are, on average, very close to 4+ per second. That would put the small pulley somewhere around 18-20 per second, and thus the generator, if the 4" pulley is on its shaft, would be turning 1100-1200 RPM.
-Duane
I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees. There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments. Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails.
Sincerely,
James Hardy
Quote from: JDHardy54 on July 20, 2008, 03:40:24 PM
I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees. There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments. Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails.
Sincerely,
James Hardy
awsome!! congrats !!!
many eager people awaite your results!!! ;D
all the best if you would like to chat feel free to contact me
ist
agin all the best!!
JDHardy54, I want to personally welcome you the overunity.com. Your video has brought about a lot interest as you probably have read.
I have my doubts about certain aspects as well as the overall outcome. I do however, want to thank you for your experiment and your video you have posted on Youtube and I cant wait to see more as well as I would like to read any comments you have to my comments as well as to others about your design.
Keep up the good work.
Quote from: nightlife on July 19, 2008, 01:28:40 PM
Air is much easier to move and pump then water and therefore it should produce the same results if not better.
Air is compressible...
Quote from: JDHardy54 on July 20, 2008, 03:40:24 PM
I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees. There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments. Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails.
Sincerely,
James Hardy
Hi James,
Glad your on board. I know you are very busy and must be indundated with emails and request for information. Plus, a man has to make a living too!
As a old retired E&I Tec., your first video had me grinning from ear to ear........Keep at it, don't be discouraged by the "Naysayers" and armchair engineers......
A lot will have to be done to eventually validate your device and the Video is only the first of many steps and a lifetime of work.
Just remember, a picture and a video is worth a million words but will convince no one that does not believe it is possible and will probably bring you as much grief as validation.
You will have to become very adept at electrical, mechanical and hydraulic instrumentation and even then your results will be questioned.You will have to become very adept at the mathematics involved in the analysis of the above instrumentation. Remember good engineers are a dime a dozen but creative thinkers are one in a million. Then eventually you must become very adept in the business world as you swim in the schools of sharks that always arrive when they smell blood or money! Remember Tesla died broke!
Personally, I think the damn thing works but who cares what I think.
I wish you the best and look forward to your next video!!!!!
Ben
@JDHardy54... why not run that outlet to the outside of the unit? Less shock hazard that way.
Hello everyone. I'm new here, but I read some of you don't even work on the subject before saying its false.
Anyway it is obviously a fake, for the simple reason that the earth is plane and gravity dont exist yet ,)
Only joking
The pump always need the same energy to run so we have to find the more power/watts pump we can have.
a venturi (and even a kind of vortex make just before the pump like you can add to your car, it might help) would be a great add to the water speed
Dont forget gravity who add power to the falling water (this is free energy btw)
What about using a lesser compressible liquid like oil or break liquid (yes its f**ing expensive but once it will be proven that its work i mean)
Next we can replace the weel near the generator by a magnetic (no physic link betwen the big and the small) and get less friction
It might be a good Idea tho replace the generator by few discoide generators? (they might be more efficient because they move easely, and between each you can add a rotating axis with magnetic gates wich in my mind cost less energy to keep running that it give itself when turning at high speed)
Is mixing few of the ideas of this forum a good idea? I whould say yes (especialy about magnetics motor. Each on is trying 1 way but who try to mix few who ad complementary propreties?
Sorry about my english. It will come back as I will write here
This guys inventions is just a much OU as taking a large fan and blowing it down a wind tunnel with a turbine generator.. LOL!
@ Chep
No gravity energy gained here sir.. The pump is pumping the water up a pipe = lost power due to gravity.. The pipe shoots the water down to the turbine = power gained by gravity.. Conclusion = 0 zero power gained.. Now add friction and it is - power gained.. That is not including the loses in pump and the generator as well.
If he puts the whole thing on casters and runs it up to speed with an electric drill or something else with a rubber wheel on, remove the starter device (drill etc) and let it run for an hour outside with no external input (longer videos with GoogleVideo I think) then this will be interesting....
keep up the great work guys
you might get my intrest back in my turbine and gen set ....
but im still on the coil thing ......
and solveing tesla pattends ....
but ya never know ....
the main problem with my turbine right now it is broken the plastic it had a spill out the door ....
but i may fix it to test some new genny designs i have come up with .....
ist
as well the people i showed it to b4 just bought a 2500psi pressure washer ... ;D
the most i have seen it run so far on was 1500psi... and it sure was impressive 8)
therealrasta, Yes there is gravity here. The pump is pumping anyway. It doesn't change anything if you put the outside to the floor or to the sky. Its not changing the pomp needs, only the lengt of where the water can go..
YOu should think like this. We start with -500W (just for exemple, I dont know the pump).
So now the gravity give us 50w (still an exemple)
The belt make us loosing ?%
Is the generator going fast enougth to produce 450w+?%.
On any scientis head, its offcourse no.
But in this case, you dont know the pump and you dont know the generator. And you dont even know there is gravity ,) and inertia as well (there is some water in the spoon on more than half round otherwise we wouldnt see water throught outside the box ,)
All those thing have to be considerated. Its to easy to alway talk about physics law etc etc..
Does anybody already try this? no ofcourse its so obvious....
So obvious that earth is plane and sun is turning around ,))
And he shows us the thing while the pump was already running.
remember for earth turning around the sun? The most difficult thing was to throw it on its orbit, now its going well
this is silly low effeciency of all components and looses make this way under OU
@James Hardy Thanks for the response!
I can understand why you find yourself swamped with emails,
maybe it would be easier to answer everyones questions using this forum.
You can just send people here to read the answers instead of emailing individuals.
Would save you a lot of time.
Some were wondering how much power the pump is.. it is rated at 300W. I found one close to the one that was used. So the pump and 60 watt light bulb is a total of 360 watts that the generator needs to generate.
http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/EBARA-EPPD-3MS1-PRO-DRAINER-Manual-Sump-Pump-1-3-HP-1-x-115/10116/Cat/689
Jason
More info for people that would like to calculate things.. I found a 1000W ICE generator that requires a 2.5hp ICE. It rotates at 3600rpm..
http://www.bestchoicemart.com/12wamaxgage.html
Jason
Oh dear! Water pump - water beam = like motor and flywheel - at that - last mentioned has much less losses.
When electric locomotive with many wagons (water beam ;-) - and wheel of last wagon has connected to electric generator (direct or belt ;-) - it never produces more energy than motor of locomotive uses to drive all the train. You can add generators to every wheel ... every wagon - they will decelerate the train with energy what generators produce + losses + transmission (belt) losses. The only way to go ahead - add/use more ampers. Produced energy could be higher than spent only when way is top-down or when generators used as brakes before depot (regenerative brake).
OU forum is interisting ... even very! - but only up till it kept away from total foolery. Elementary school was not obligatory where you spent your childhood ???
khabe
Quote from: chep on July 21, 2008, 09:28:08 AM
Dont forget gravity who add power to the falling water (this is free energy btw)
Did you forget the energy required to lift that water up there in first place ??
(Assuming that by power you mean energy, these two are very different animals :D)
Perpetual Childhood.
Seeing that posting the specs and a scan of modified generator should take only 5 mins, I must say that the inventor is avoiding disclosing this stuff, which is suspicious.
I'm still holding my horses and will remain hopeful. :)
I'm sure that he very well knows that the patent is already there and no one can misuse the information for unfair commercial gain. He is already protected.
So avoiding independent replicators means only one thing .........
@The guys who know everything:
A train looks somewhat to be a simple thing at first sight.
If you have a high speed train which goes up to 500km/h
the story is quite different - I don?t have to mention hypersonic
trains or - near to lightspeed trains.
An H-Bomb is quite a simple "bang" thing - but they use huge
computer grids for their calculations.
Even a 1N4148 diode looks like a simple thing - if U use it
in an avramenko plug (see Dr. Stifflers experiments) its
somewhat different.
As an engineer u build your applications from "rated" parts.
As long as you read all the data and use the stuff as its
"rated" everything is quite easy.
But there is some reason why there are universities, and
there is some reason why there are scientists.
The world is not simple - we use formulas and theorems to
make it easy understandable - but that works only within
the boundaries of our science.
Connecting such a powerful pump (which is "rated" for a
2x 3inch connection) to a short 1 inch hose is something
the pump was never designed for. Nobody tested it that way
because they were for the rush to high flow.
Maybe there?s a hyperfast water-vortex inside with an air
bubble - we dont know.
We even don?t know whats happening in the generator.
Nobody knows, there is the promise for another video -
I?m interested.
This "u are stupid - we are clever" mindset is maybe a good
feeling on the short run and something which helps polishing
your ego - but a very poor answer to things you
don?t know.
rgds.
Quote- I don?t have to mention hypersonic
trains or - near to lightspeed trains.
Where would I find the "near to lightspeed trains" you refer to?
Quote from: dingbat on July 22, 2008, 05:21:18 PM
Where would I find the "near to lightspeed trains" you refer to?
You don?t find them, thats the clue.
Near to lightspeed trains are probably difficult to build -
thats the reason why they don?t exist.
Even if rail technology is somewhat proven - there are boundaries,
at least from general relativity.
but thats pretty off-topic.
Quote from: fritz on July 22, 2008, 03:05:19 PM
@The guys who know everything:
A train looks somewhat to be a simple thing at first sight.
If you have a high speed train which goes up to 500km/h
the story is quite different - I don?t have to mention hypersonic
trains or - near to lightspeed trains.
An H-Bomb is quite a simple "bang" thing - but they use huge
computer grids for their calculations.
Even a 1N4148 diode looks like a simple thing - if U use it
in an avramenko plug (see Dr. Stifflers experiments) its
somewhat different.
As an engineer u build your applications from "rated" parts.
As long as you read all the data and use the stuff as its
"rated" everything is quite easy.
But there is some reason why there are universities, and
there is some reason why there are scientists.
The world is not simple - we use formulas and theorems to
make it easy understandable - but that works only within
the boundaries of our science.
Connecting such a powerful pump (which is "rated" for a
2x 3inch connection) to a short 1 inch hose is something
the pump was never designed for. Nobody tested it that way
because they were for the rush to high flow.
Maybe there?s a hyperfast water-vortex inside with an air
bubble - we dont know.
Nobody knows, there is the promise for another video -
I?m interested.
This "u are stupid - we are clever" mindset is maybe a good
feeling on the short run and something which helps polishing
your ego - but a very poor answer to things you
don?t know.
rgds.
"We even don?t know whats happening in the generator?" - I do! Nothing happening.
"Nobody tested it that way
because they were for the rush to high flow.
Maybe there?s a hyperfast water-vortex inside with an air
bubble - we dont know."
Do you think that nobody has never lost hose? ;-)
This guy at least using hose - round and smooth run, less friction, less obstruction ... but some another smiths, showing schematics or photos of "working devices" - they do "quatro"- using number of iron right angles for getting more hyperfast speed and more bubbles ;-)
From where "superfast" speed? Motor-impeller RPM makes this? Dont worry - its not so high.
But OK, it does not matter, OU or not - building pumps like this is much more better than pick your nose - good hobby I agree and excuse if someone insulted,
Cheers,
khabe
What is cool about this device is that it would be very easy to replicate.. only problem is money. I don't think there is anything special about the generator.
Jason
@Khabe
Its a hard world if you cannot laugh
about what you?re doing.
Fritz --your intuition on this device could be on target. But everyone seems to be neglecting the importance of cavitation.
The website called "cavitation college" is no longer running, but the Griggs pump is still a big seller, even though cavitation and heat anomalies are seldom mentioned any more by the company selling the pumps. There are a number of Russian companies doing the same- using cavitation pumps for basic heat. Cavitation is not sonofusion per se- but there is a sound component to it, and the origin of the excess heat is a mystery. There have been reported anomalies for 20 years which have never been adequately debunked - which is not to say that they are real, but it at least that this deserves a closer look.
IF there are heat anomalies with cavitation, then this devices could simply be converting that excess heat into energy via a simple expedient - and with room for huge improvement. Sometimes an inventor can just get lucky and not understand why his device works. That seems to be the case here.
A google search would probably benefit some of the naysayers, since they do not seem to have a clue about cavitation effects and the persistent energy anomalies involved. There are even 80+ hits on this forum for "cavitation" which include the so-called "water-hammer" and the Davey device.
As Fritz opines "Connecting such a powerful pump (which is "rated" for a 2x 3inch connection) to a short 1 inch hose is something the pump was never designed for. Nobody tested it that way because they were for the rush to high flow. Maybe there?s a hyperfast water-vortex inside with an air bubble - we dont know."
It probably serves no good purpose to continue until more is known, and the new video appears - or else an independent observer is allowed to view it and reports the results - but it should be clear that water with bubbles (not air bubbles Fritz, but cold-steam micro-bubbles, due to cavitation) will be far more buoyant and can rise higher than expected due to the buoyancy - and then if the steam microbubbles condense precisely at the top of the loop (to fully dense water), then on the downside there is a denser flow. That would be an amazing stroke of luck that he got everything balanced without understanding how, but it is way too soon to write this off as a Mike-Motor fake.
At this point in time it really gets down to whether the guy is truthful, and whether the video is accurate or faked. I believe that he has little reason to fake it - and that he very well could have seen a real anomaly despite the crudeness of the build. At least, why not give him the benefit of the doubt?
And the most exciting part is - that by using a really good Pelton turbine with a shroud and proper buckets, then this thing should be way-better performing than it is now.
Jones
Quote from: jonesbeene on July 22, 2008, 06:25:04 PM
(not air bubbles Fritz, but cold-steam micro-bubbles, due to cavitation)
Hoped somebody would get this understatement ;-)))
I think there are on one hand the cavitation effects - and on the other
hand the special properties of a water vortex as described by
Viktor Schausberger - which work is almost lost - but photographs
of his machines exists - maybe you can find something with "repulsine".
if u are interested.
Hydrodynamic is a complex business - >
Otherwise somebody would have already calculated the backpressure
we see at T10000 ouput port due to the reduced diameter outlet.
Then we could iterate the flow - and then we can estimate the
physical effects without OU inside.
Then we can discuss about the result -
rgds.
@ JD Hardy I applaude your efforts and hope the best in your endeavors. I think this basic concept has alot of potential and I'm glad to see this concept getting some of the public attention it deserves. Your patent may run into some problems concerning "prior art" but it looks like you have a good patent attorney and you may be able to get around these other patents. These 2 patents were listed as prior art on my patent application 10/136521 (Self Powered Hydro Generator) Filing Date 5-1-2002 The pat# are US 4391097(07-1983) and Japan 58-131372 (08-1983). Even though my own patent app was done very poorly it may also be considered as prior art.My self powered hydro,air generator(10/136063), and electric light generator (10/211041)were all published by the patent office on the same day 9-11-2003,I also tried to design a custom turbine for these concepts(Pinwheel Turbine10/637903) At the time I was very confuse on how to do a patent application and I felt rushed to get on paper because some other people were also filing on some of my concepts(at least that is what they told me)I don't know the status of these other patent apps (I haven't talk to these people since)If any of guys read this (you know who you are) you should e-mail me.You can view my "concept" patent apps and 4 of 6 of my other patent apps at http://www.geocities.com/robertjackson59/hydro.html Another granted patent that I found may also be considered prior art it is pat# 7023103 If you are required to test a working prototype(like I was) it will have to have it done at a accredited university or at N.I.S.T. (the patent office doesn't do any testing) Your patent attorney may be able to get around this requirement thou. I used a small water cooler squirrel cage as a turbine (something like a Banki Turbine) and connected it to a 5000 watt ac generator and used a pressure washer as the pump (I also tested it with my electric air compressor) I had high rpm's but not enough. I was using the wrong type of generator @Innovation Station I applaude your efforts . I think your Filsinger Turbine is a great design. I been wanting to do a experiment for years and I challenge anyone out there to do it. Stick the nozzle of a electric pressure washer (like your 2500 psi one) and put into a 10 kw hydro generator and see if enough rpm's are generated to run the generator at full potential.(like a electric water motor) I think that this pressure washer could even maybe power this 40 kw hydro generator Example: http://www.bitterrootsolar.com/hydro/canyon.htm My efforts to get a hydro company to test my theory have failed. @Batman Great Work There is no need for anyone out there who has riduculed me on this forum in the past to post anything negative about me or anyone who they may think I'm associated with. If anyone out there wants a copy of the drawings the patent office sent me as prior art (the ones from 1983) e-mail me I'll mail it to you. (I can't do attachments) I'm having computer problems and the local library has time limits so I may not be able to reply in a timely manner to any correspondence Robert(Rob) Jackson
Fritz: "I think there are on one hand the cavitation effects - and on the other hand the special properties of a water vortex as described by Viktor Schaumberger "
Well yes - that could be true - and take a look at this video of cavitation from a pump impeller - but imagine that the output is rotated 90 degrees (upwards) and then focused by a cone into a tighter vortex, which, in effect, is Hardy's tube ... which must have a very high percentage of cavitation bubbles creating a very low density of fluid on the rising column, correct?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KExSxt-lo5c&feature=related
IOW a decent percentage of the energy used to raise the mass of water is not mechanical from the pump per se, but buoyancy-related from the transient bubbles. The gain is in the bubbles which apparently are almost 'free'. When these condense, and it must be immediately -- then the falling column has the same amount of water, but at full density. IOW there could be a possible source of gainfulness there due to reduced pumping demands..
I would have guessed a longer loop of tube would be necessary, but then again- if I had done this, it probably would not be self-sustaining ;-)
Jones
Quote from: robertjackson on July 22, 2008, 08:33:54 PM
@ JD Hardy I applaude your efforts and hope the best in your endeavors. I think this basic concept has alot of potential and I'm glad to see this concept getting some of the public attention it deserves. Your patent may run into some problems concerning "prior art" but it looks like you have a good patent attorney and you may be able to get around these other patents. These 2 patents were listed as prior art on my patent application 10/136521 (Self Powered Hydro Generator) Filing Date 5-1-2002 The pat# are US 4391097(07-1983) and Japan 58-131372 (08-1983). Even though my own patent app was done very poorly it may also be considered as prior art.My self powered hydro,air generator(10/136063), and electric light generator (10/211041)were all published by the patent office on the same day 9-11-2003,I also tried to design a custom turbine for these concepts(Pinwheel Turbine10/637903) At the time I was very confuse on how to do a patent application and I felt rushed to get on paper because some other people were also filing on some of my concepts(at least that is what they told me)I don't know the status of these other patent apps (I haven't talk to these people since)If any of guys read this (you know who you are) you should e-mail me.You can view my "concept" patent apps and 4 of 6 of my other patent apps at http://www.geocities.com/robertjackson59/hydro.html Another granted patent that I found may also be considered prior art it is pat# 7023103 If you are required to test a working prototype(like I was) it will have to have it done at a accredited university or at N.I.S.T. (the patent office doesn't do any testing) Your patent attorney may be able to get around this requirement thou. I used a small water cooler squirrel cage as a turbine (something like a Banki Turbine) and connected it to a 5000 watt ac generator and used a pressure washer as the pump (I also tested it with my electric air compressor) I had high rpm's but not enough. I was using the wrong type of generator @Innovation Station I applaude your efforts . I think your Filsinger Turbine is a great design. I been wanting to do a experiment for years and I challenge anyone out there to do it. Stick the nozzle of a electric pressure washer (like your 2500 psi one) and put into a 10 kw hydro generator and see if enough rpm's are generated to run the generator at full potential.(like a electric water motor) I think that this pressure washer could even maybe power this 40 kw hydro generator Example: http://www.bitterrootsolar.com/hydro/canyon.htm My efforts to get a hydro company to test my theory have failed. @Batman Great Work There is no need for anyone out there who has riduculed me on this forum in the past to post anything negative about me or anyone who they may think I'm associated with. If anyone out there wants a copy of the drawings the patent office sent me as prior art (the ones from 1983) e-mail me I'll mail it to you. (I can't do attachments) I'm having computer problems and the local library has time limits so I may not be able to reply in a timely manner to any correspondence Robert(Rob) Jackson
Dear Mr. Jackson,
I hope you have not paid for electricity past 25 years - you have own Self Powered Hydro electric station - how many units you need per house and how many kw/h you have generated for these years?
Best regards,
khabe
PS:
4tesla wrote:
_"What is cool about this device is that it would be very easy to replicate.. only problem is money. I don't think there is anything special about the generator."_
I can not agree! How much money? What is cost of one pump? $300? 500? What is cost of few meters of hose? Very expensive playwood? No screws ...
No way to find generator? Or does it mean - FREE ENERGY - that all must to be done for nothing - nothing spent, nothing done - just pick your nose and get it free ...
Cavitation in liquid dynamics is something any engineer is fighting against since ever. Why? Simply because it always introduces additional losses (poorer efficiency due to a changed fluid viscosity, sonic/vibration,.. thus severely reducing machinery parts life.
Maybe you should check what cavitation does to e.g. power boat propellers, high-pressure nozzles, pump/turbine vanes and cavities, etc... A great amount of time, research and resources went into this.... Wouldn't you think that at least some of the people (experts) who were and are professionally working in this area would notice some interesting anomalies (especially in energy terms)?
In one of my earlier posts I made a comment that a setup like we saw on the video cannot be more than some 10, at best 15 % efficient. In order for such system to become self-sustaining, (at least) one of the parts must produce rather large 'overunity', say 10-times...
Without knowing any real data (inventor promissed new info in this week, yes?) it seems that most of the optimistic people here are looking at the pump as the (main) source for OU. But why would this pump (so far we don't know if it is modified) which looks like a common, serial product, been able to produce 10-times more work as it's input is???
You gotta be kidding....
Say, for instance, pump's CoP is 10. Naturally, when you say "coefficient of performance", then you have to define from where the additional energy is comming from. Period.
Ok, for the sake of discussion, let's say we don't know the source/origin of this surplus energy (e.g. we don't know what exactly is happening INSIDE the pump).
But, people, any water pump - if one consideres it as a thermodynamic system - has no unknowns regarding the input/output (co-efficiency) definitions.
If inputs are known (electrical (pump motor), water mass/volume/pressure/flow/temperature), then outputs are easy measurable, too.
Please, don't forget about CoM (conservation of mass) principle. Water (as a medium, a carrier of energy) pumped output mass is equal to input mass. Water flow/pressure ratios are conserved, too. So if a large pressure is observed at the output, the flow is reduced
accordingly. If not, your pump would be creating water out of nothing.
OU pump or not? Just do proper measurements of pump's electro-motor in operation. No matter if hyper-cavitation, nuclear reactions or even Dark Energy makes your pump OU, then the total electrical input (supplied power) to the pump motor would drop accordingly.
And with proper el. measurements you have to deal with inductive motor power factors, ohmic losses, V/I phase shifts, + all the other losses.... Don't worry, if the pump is 10xOU, even a cheap amp-meter will show you enough...
If anything unusual is happening inside the pump, then the temperature of the output water stream would be noticeably higher, too. Not just for the rather small amount which is a consequence of cooling a motor + other fluid friction effects...
OK, let's see those OU pumps now....
Indeed, this setup is not hard to replicate. Good luck to all the enthusiasts!
Hope to hear promissing news from the inventor.
Soon?
Thanks spinner ,
After all we can see that not all have lost common sense,
Finally!
Anyway - will attend closely to ;-)
khabe
Hey.....If he needs a good water wheel come and see me.... ;D
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2552791560053353196cHREle (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2552791560053353196cHREle)
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I make pumps all day and come here to read about pumps.. ???
Scotty.
@Khabe
Thanks!
Yes, we'll se what the future will reveal.
Cheers!
what pump make and model did he use?
how much PSI?
how many watts to power a pump like that?
i see where hes going with this but his over all design is flawed and limited. he's gotta think "outside his box" lol.
Quote from: guyver2k on July 23, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
what pump make and model did he use?
how much PSI?
how many watts to power a pump like that?
i see where hes going with this but his over all design is flawed and limited. he's gotta think "outside his box" lol.
I don't know what pump he is using, but this one is close to what he used:
http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/EBARA-EPPD-3MS1-PRO-DRAINER-Manual-Sump-Pump-1-3-HP-1-x-115/10116/Cat/689
300 watts
Jason
Rewind:
Hardy mentions the maximum flow capacity "type of pump" as
turbine pump with 165Gallons/minute, thats 9900Gallons per hour.
This data as well as how it looks like identifies it as
CAL T10000 pump.
http://www.calpump.com/productsub.asp?modelno=T10000&category=5
Additional there is a datasheet available: see attachment below.
From the demonstration at the beginning, we see that the pump drains
the 20 Gallons of water in about 20 seconds.
Thats equal to a flow of 60GPH in this usecase - what equals 3600Gallons per
hour.
Because of the fact that the pump has to lift the water more than 1 meter - the
flow in the scenario later will be slightly higher - lets say 4000GPH minimum.
Now we take the datasheet and if you interpolate a bit - the powerconsumption
in such a case will be around 900 Watts.
According to the SI unit system 1kWh equals 3.6MJ of energy.
If this pump runs for an hour it needs 0.9kWh-> 3.24MJ of energy.
The water:
According to the video - I would say that the diameter of the water beam is
3/4 inch, 1.905cm. This gives a cross section of d^2*pi/4 of 2,85cm2.
If you divide 1000ccm by the cross section - you get the length of this
waterbeam which equals a kilogram = 1l. Thats 350cm.
The pump puts out 4000GPh-> thats 1.11 Gallons per second-> equals (x3.8)
-> 4.22 liter/second.
As we calculated before, 1l gives a water beam of 3.5 meter - this means that
if we have 4.22 liter/second - we have 14,78m/s speed of the water beam.
Because of the fact that the pump is not really lifting the water - maybe only
1-2ft in the video - we completly ignore the effects of potential energy here.
BTW: The pump somehow manages it that it accelerates every second 4.22liter
water to a speed of 14,78m/s.
This gives a kinetic energy from the water in the beam of
ekin = (m*v^2)/2 - thats (4.22N*14,78(m/s)^2)*0.5 = 460J per second
x 3600 seconds per hour ->1,66MJ that gives a cop of 0.51 (compared to the
3.54MJ electrical input power).
What happens if the flow would be 6000GPH ????
Electrical Power -> 1000W, 1kWh in an Hour -> 3,6MJ
Now we have 6.33 liter/s - and 22.16m/s
which gives: ___5.6____MJ and a cop of __1.55___ ..
Conclusion: it looks like the pump has at least a cop of 0.5.
And its really amazing how the kinetic energy rises with the
speed of water.
Vacuity Nr.14
Belt wheel has 18" diameter, generator bulley 4" , transmission 1:4,5 , losses appr. 5% ,
Waterwheel made used like the same 18% wheel,
Why waterwheel blades placed on the 18" diameter wheel - ??? - why not on the 4" wheel - direct on the shaft of generator, saved 5%,
Why inventor wants to lose at least 5% of energy?
Is it some kind of ritual, like tantra, or immolation - driving away demons?
khabe
Another thing:
If we take the first example with 15m/s, 4000GPH.
If the water stream would oscillate - say working
in a 50% dutycycle with 30m/s 50% 0m/s 50%,
the resulting kinetic energy would be 3.5MJ -almost
COP =1. with the same flow we had before@cop=0.5.
(and if you listen to the video - there is lots of "noise"
form the water - doesn?t seem to be a constant flow)
That means that a turbulent flow has more energy.
The remaining question is how this turbulances couple
back to the pump- and how much extra energy is consumed
due to an oscillation in the flow.
BATMAN ...HERE HI ALL
Here is pic of 10,000 watt gen. hook -up to turbine shaft.
have fun ...BATMAN
Quote from: BATMAN on July 23, 2008, 05:15:21 PM
BATMAN ...HERE HI ALL
Here is pic of 10,000 watt gen. hook -up to turbine shaft.
have fun ...BATMAN
Amazing - exhaustive information !!!
Have look at http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/33roberts_files/index.html
Mr Jackson, unfortunately no reply to my modest question, hi has much more ideas!
He does the same like Selfrunning Waterpump-generator - with AIR !!!
Attn: fritz - no wonder kinetics of water !!! >:(
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/33roberts_files/Air_Generator_10-136063.html
He has very train of thought about how watermachine works:
"...Pressure from thrust of water coming from water pump through the water pump nozzle X-Amount of pressure on turbine that is attached to generator Torque created by turbine (which is being rotated by thrust of water from water pump) = X-Amount Generator converts torque into electricity which in turn runs the pump
1/6 of Torque = Horsepower
1 â€" Horsepower = 755 Watts
Watts ? Voltage = Amperage
I believe Amperage created by the Generator
will be greater than Amperage needed to run the pump."
:o
Now its clear! >:(
But he was not pleased with - why to play with water or air? Why to play with pumps, why hoses, why all these stupid things ????
And he did it! No water, no hoses ... :o
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/33roberts_files/Dynamoto_Electric_Generator_11-009798.html
final solution -> Dynamotor Electric Generator :o
khabe
@ Khabe I don't have a working prototype but I like to think its because I never could afford the right componets (mainly generator). Your right after messing around with my hydro and air prototypes I thought why not just connect an electric motor directly to the generator. I came up with all sorts of combinations with different electric motors and different generators and alternators . I do believe that the right motor and generator could be developed to make this basic concept work. After doing everything I've done I think the high pressure water or air generators are the best way to go. I personally have put everything on the back burner about 1 1/2 years ago after being dianose with a pretty serious medical condition and to be honest its got the best of me. Well anyway, I hope the best for anyone to build a working prototype and to go public with it. If this should happen I wouldn't doubt that some big corporation would come forward and claimed that they already own the patent rights and at the same time alot of people will probaly come out of the woodwork claiming the idea as there own. Personally I thought of the basics to the hydro generator in the late 70's but didn't start keeping a documented timeline until October of 2000 on my hydro, air, and solar ideas ( I have over 100 envelopes that I mailed to myself) There is a very interesting story in those envelopes. I actually believe these concepts are to basic in nature to be patented and I have tried to open source to ideas for over 5 years now. If anyone wants to patent something it should be a better generator, better pump,better motor, better turbine, or whatever it takes to make these concepts work.
@robertjackson and all
My two cents for what it's worth.
If you are going to match a motor with a generator, then do it with a direct coupling, not V-belts. Use a 3450 rpm motor with a 3450 rpm rated generator, etc.
Why introduce extra losses. Better yet, make it a motor/generator with no coupling losses. See Dyna-Motor patent here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm
Download and read the patent where it is claimed 3 times output vs input. According to Peter Lindemann, replications failed at the time the patents came out.
You are better off with the water pump scenario where you introduce momentum and velocity times mass with the accelerated water. However, even if it does work, the water will heat up because of the work done to the water. I have run small pumps, 1/15 hp outputting 120 psi in a large aquarium sized tank. The water will get quite hot after a while and requires a shutdown to prevent overheating of other parts of the system I was testing. Of course you could always build two units and let one rest half the time.
Tishatang
Quote from: khabe on July 23, 2008, 04:01:30 AM
Dear Mr. Jackson,
I hope you have not paid for electricity past 25 years - you have own Self Powered Hydro electric station - how many units you need per house and how many kw/h you have generated for these years?
Best regards,
khabe
PS:
4tesla wrote:
_"What is cool about this device is that it would be very easy to replicate.. only problem is money. I don't think there is anything special about the generator."_
I can not agree! How much money? What is cost of one pump? $300? 500? What is cost of few meters of hose? Very expensive playwood? No screws ...
No way to find generator? Or does it mean - FREE ENERGY - that all must to be done for nothing - nothing spent, nothing done - just pick your nose and get it free ...
Well it is a problem for me.. I don't have $500 for the pump and generator. Not everyone has hundreds or thousands of dollars to work on these projects. Pick your nose if you can't think of anything nice to say... maybe it will help clear your brain.
Jason
???
Was not meant to insult - just for give encouragement - to accelerate process ...
Get some loan - after that you have not to pay for electricity - you will sell it to all city :o
Its Friday today - what's up about promised new setup?
khabe
Quote from: JDHardy54 on July 20, 2008, 03:40:24 PM
I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees. There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments. Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails.
Nice one James
Be cool if the tank sides were transparent as well.
Look forward to seeing more of this one.
Cheers
Sean.
It is curious to me that many of the aforementioned esteemed patent holders and others have avoided publishing as a patent the notion expressed by many elementary school children in their scribbly crayon drawings. That would be the notion that one could have a windmill driven by an electric fan (which is plugged into the output of the windmill)
The absurdity of such a notion is perhaps too obvious in the above cited example, yet more complex versions of a similar style of reasoning, poorly engineered, and executed with the skill and insight of the fellow on the Red and Green show seem to get attention.
It now appears that the USPTO is a bureau which is quite happy to exchange nearly worthless paper for completely worthless paper, where the most absurd non-working ideas will be granted a patent, as long as the appropriate fees are paid and the idea appears "novel". The device does not have to work, a demonstration of it actually working to USPTO officials is not required, nor is the operating principle required to be taught in the patent.
The image of a USPTO waiting room full of strange looking applicants with boxes covered with brown paper, and in those boxes something that actually might work as advertised, is an image of a bygone era.
I suppose the next patent I will run across will be for an aircraft that lifts itself up with a large rubber band which is of course attached to a hook, said hook further attached to a rigid member which is said extension above the fuselage.
This is not to say that there are not good and worthwile patents issued, it just seems there are a lot of junk ideas people spend money on, perhaps to to sell to the gullible, perhaps to impress their friends. Another possibility is that some of these applicants are just really sincere but misguided individuals lacking very basic engineering skills.
So if you want to get rich someday, don't just sit there, patent some crazy idea, doesn't matter how absurd. Then if someone should build something that vaguely resembles your idea, you have a license to sue. And chances are a judge will be appointed who hasn't got a clue, and will have to be taught by "experts" on the subject matter. Depending on how glazed over the judge gets with confusion, you may then have a 50-50 chance of winning the suit......not bad odds .....all or nothing.
Good night and good luck.
Where is it, fervent believers?
khabe
Does anyone know the PSI on any optimally similar pumps? It is a major actor and i believe this idea can be completely improved to ultimate efficiency.
any recommendations on pumps that can take a little resistance pressure and are meant for continual usage?
I have a few ideas that i think will work far from this guys design for maximum efficiency and i wanna test them out!
I am still waiting for someone to link this to a tesla turbine instead of a paddle wheel.
:-)
Perhaps wheel of fortune,
khabe
I recommend Alan Cresswell's site at:
http://www.unifiedtheory.org.uk/
He has some ideas that are related to the self running pump that you may find interesting.
Also the work of Viktor Schauberger
.....V
Any news?
with high interest,
khabe
Quote from: Vortex1 on July 29, 2008, 01:43:21 AM
I recommend Alan Cresswell's site at:
http://www.unifiedtheory.org.uk/
He has some ideas that are related to the self running pump that you may find interesting.
Also the work of Viktor Schauberger
.....V
Shame on you Vortex1. You have killed the thread.....................
Quote from: Vortex1 on July 29, 2008, 01:43:21 AM
I recommend Alan Cresswell's site at:
http://www.unifiedtheory.org.uk/
He has some ideas that are related to the self running pump that you may find interesting.
Also the work of Viktor Schauberger
.....V
What an interesting article..........give me a month and a lot of thought and I might understand a smidgion of it.
Ben
Janus20
QuoteShame on you Vortex1. You have killed the thread
Killing the thread was not my intention . Just wanted to voice my disdain for "patent grubbers" and the USPTO
I actually believe the self running pump could work under certain circumstances as I respect Alan Cresswell's work and have posted the link to his site.
Perhaps this will revive the thread:
AN IMPROVED FLUID POWERED GENERATOR
This is an improved integrated version of the design patented by J.C. HARDY. It is offered to the public domain. It features a fluid powered action-reaction generator design with counter-rotating magnets and coils.
"For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction"
This design attempts to make use of both the action and reaction forces. The forces run in a circular motion and are imparted to an inner nozzle assembly (reaction force) and an outer co-axial Pelton wheel assembly
(action force) which move in counter-rotation.
The nozzle assembly is similar to those seen in their simplest form on rotary lawn sprinklers where nearly 100% of the thrust of the fluid leaving the nozzle causes the nozzle assembly to rotate. The ejecting fluid exerts a reaction force on the nozzle assembly similar to a mass ejection (rocket) engine.
Because the nozzle assembly is allowed to rotate, centrifugal force aids in ejecting the fluid. The pump can be made co-axial and allowed to rotate also, it's power also fed through slip rings, or the pump may be stationary with a suitable self sealing rotary slip joint feeding the nozzle assembly.
The ejected fluid now having done it's work on the nozzle assembly does additional work on the Pelton wheel assembly,
With this design, belts and attendant belt losses are eliminated.
The coils are mounted on the Pelton wheel, the magnets are mounted on the rotating nozzle assembly. Current from the coils is brought out through suitable slip-rings. This is one embodiment, although the coils and magnet locations may be reversed. Ferromagnetic materials can be integrated into the design in order to focus the magnetic fields.
Locating the magnets and coils of the generator on the rims of the rotating elements allows maximum velocity between coils and magnets, without belts, chains or gears.
For best results, entire assembly should be operated as a hermetically sealed structure, and a sufficient vacuum pulled on the housing to vastly reduce the friction of air. This would require that the unit be designed into cast hemispheric structures of aluminum or other structurally suitable metals.
The fluid is completely recycled in such a closed structure. Power in and out is through seals typical of hermetic pumps.
It may be possible to eliminate the pump and use the generator portion to run initially as a brushless permanent magnet motor (with suitable electronic commutation) in an effort to allow the inherent centrifugal action of the nozzle assembly to reach critical or breakover velocity. At this point the motor is switched to operate as a generator.
Priming vanes may added to the suction tube to aid startup.
All for now....V
Dear V:
I am very busy at this time with the hundreds of emails I have received. I am quite impressed with your knowledge of free energy - this is why I am only writing to you out of the hundreds of emails I have received. Reading through your email was positive and enlightening. All of the work I have done is within the generator over a period of two years. The remainder of the work on the machine was dedicated to the correct dimensions that I needed. I went through many motors going directly to the shaft of the generator and through pulleys. They would always overheat. This is the reason that I went to the water pump. I went through many months of research to get to where I am today. Furthermore, I am working on an updated video with the machine in the middle of the parking lot, running for a longer period of time with better lighting. I hope to get a major investor to come and see the machine run with the intent of quickly moving it to production.
I have a group of people who are extremely qualified to validate the machine. I strongly feel that one major investor would not only bring in his team, but he/she would get the machine to market more quickly. This is what we need today instead of waiting years to change the world.
James Hardy
For the record, I never emailed James Hardy, I only posted relevant info in this thread. James must be referring to posts in this thread.
I wish James Hardy the best of luck with his invention. Anyone who takes the time to read Alan Cresswell will get an insight into why it might be possible. I was extremely skeptical until I remembered and re-read Alan's work.
I hope if James is able to, he will teach his art here, since it is not really explained in the patent, which is mainly construction and use information. It would be for his and everyones benefit.
James, we certainly await your video anxiously and I'm sure there are forum members in your area willing to help and witness the event if you just put out the request. Many may be willing and able to help in other ways too.
Kind regards to all.....V
Quote from: khabe on July 28, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
Where is it, fervent believers?
khabe
Its very stupid to wait for something which will never happen.
You believe that it won?t happen - so what - ? LOL.
No, my dear friend, there is no relationship with my own belief - just hoped to see what promised (was "next week").
Why such kind of enmity to even smallest critique ?
Why not to argue? Why attack every contrary asserting?
When this SetUp really works as declared then not this playwood box is OverUnity - the Pump and/or Generator must to be. Or this ultra-smart waterwheel.
Anybody believe that?
Or perhaps you see some "black-box" voltage regulator? I do not.
I do not see effects what must be accompanied when generator starts to drive this pump, when any(!) external power out of question -
- when changed frequency and when current raises up .... what in turn causes (must to cause) changes - like fast avalanche.
yours truly,
khabe
Few simple observations:
When Pump is switched on (uses external power) - water starts to flow, waterwheel and Generator start to spin up but - why we do not see the Lamp
need to glow at first and then successively lighter and lighter up to normal light ???
It does not - next point we can see - it just lighting. OK - let it be :-\
What is RPM of waterwheel? Then what is RPM of Generator - everyone has own opinion but lets agree it is 1000 RPM (for example).
Do you see adequate fluctuation of RPM when reswitching happend (sleight of hand) - adequate to load what is climbing up 6...16 times at least.
Generator speed 1000 RPM loaded with Lamp 60W -
How many wats uses Pump? 300W or 900W ???
When 300W then after reswitching -> load of Generator is 360W - we need 6 times more torque to keep the RPM as same (1000 RPM)
When 900W then after tricks with wires output of Generator need to be 960W - we need 16 times more torque for keeping RPM on the same level (1000 RPM)
Where is Voltage Regulator ??? This regulator must to be able to keep Voltage on the same level when load is 60W->360W or even 60W-960W,
Where is RPM regulator? :o What kind miracle keeps RPM on the same level when needed torque increase 6 or 16 times?
When no voltage regulator - then output Voltage of generator differs 6 (or 16) times when pump added as load to generator output,
When voltage regulator exists - then needed torque must to change 6 (0r 16) times - what the hell provides this ???
or RPM must to be change (diminish) 6 (or 16) times when torque of Waterwheel is constant.
At that frequency!
Performance of this Pump is very-very dependenced about frequency - its calculated/designed for 60(50) Hz >:(
regards,
khabe
PS:
*All those "6....16 times" are just simplified usage - in reality different losses align with game as well
*When gas-engine driven the same generator then torque and RPM regulated via throttle ;D
Khabe
QuoteWhen Pump is switched on (uses external power) - water starts to flow, waterwheel and Generator start to spin up but - why we do not see the Lamp
need to glow at first and then successively lighter and lighter up to normal light Huh
It does not - next point we can see - it just lighting. OK - let it be Undecided
I am in no way trying to defend the operation of the Hardy device as real, however some of these effects can be explained e.g. The output of the generator is feeding a small relay that does not pickup until critical velocity is reached. This will keep the generator unloaded until the resonance band is attained.
The resonance band may be adjusted to provide some degree of self regulation e.g as used in ferroresonant transformers, where capacitors tuned with an extra winding provide regulation.
I believe the pump was found to be a T10000. The data sheet is attached.
Note that the current reduces with increased head pressure. This is itself a form of inverse feedback. It is not possible to know what his head pressure is without a current measurement of the pump in action, since I cannot make a good guess from the tubing size and restriction effect of the flow. James Hardy has published no technical data on this or the modifications to his generator.
It is possible that no single part is responsible for OU action, the system must be modeled as a closed resonant loop, with phase leads and lags and resonance band accounted for.
Just a guess, surely lacking information.
In my opinion it is OK to disbelieve and it should not draw insults, better to draw possible explanations.
Kind regards.....V
Yeah, I know well how wound field generator voltage could be regulated - I waited answere from Inventor or from believers ;)
But even then you can not keep RPM as stabil as seen on the Video - needed torque grows up 16 times when Gen loeaded 16 times higher.
I have special test stand for generators, I have messed with generators years, I do read all parameters included using torque.
You can use what ever wonder regulator - no way to escape from adding traction power when RPM need to be constant.
At that even smallest deflection of voltage - Pump will be detect it instantly - glitch/failure - downtrend voltage, even pulsed ... not correct frequency ...this is not DC playground !!!
OK - AC you can stabilze as well - have you seen 1kw AC stabilizers? I do, but dont see it on the Video. No stabilizers, no compensators.
Audible clink-clang by every turn of big wheel ... belt transmission was 1 : 4.5 - then generator spins appr 1000 rpm - mostly those need appr. 3600 RPM (when Gas engine) to have 60Hz.
Someone has at least smallest idea what is output frequency ??? Surely not 60Hz! Perhaps somewhere hidden AC-AC converter ? Or this "modern" generator was designed for oldtimer-style engine what uses used oil as fuel :o
Regards,
khabe
Khabe
It is good to have a knowledgeable person like yourself on the forum. I will defer to your greater knowledge of generators and motors.
By the way I have a large stack of AC stabilizers in the basement, some of which are too heavy for a strong man to lift. I was referring to an inherent stabilization scheme by virtue of "resonant lock" rather than a discrete device embedded in the machine.
Now I will ask a question. Is it possible to have a "resonant lock " with an AC generator if large capacitors are tuned to the driving AC motor, single or three phase. Have you ever experimented with such a thing. I am merely curious as I have seen something like this in a device called the Rotoverter, but I don't know if it is real.
I have played with DC and AC machines as a young man and recently built a 3KW and 10KW gas powered generator from components because I wanted to experiment with the ratios, rather than buy a commercial fixed speed device.
Your experience is appreciated.......V
No, Im not big specialist,
Those generators, I do wrestle with, are very specific - Im in troubles near every day - I dont feel cheap to ask someone for help or to look from books ... included google ;)
Although those generators are 3-ph DC - PM generators - trail 3-ph full bridge rectifier and several switch mode voltage regulators. My mission is to guarantee stabilized DC 12V and numbers of lower voltages when RPM at 3.000 up to 18.000 RPM ( 6 times ;-) Complicated because very limited weight and dimensions. My best sides are well-sped fighting with losses and innovative design - by general knowledges of electric machines Im very modest guy. So you can understand that for everyday work I dont need to keep fixed frequency. But if will needed in future I will do it via AC-AC converter ::) Actually one of my wind turbines (I have built several) already uses mentioned converter.
Anyway - of course you can lock you generator to needed frequency - but by my opinion it does not help much - lock/fix just with big capacitors - tuned LC - means that efficent will better for this freq., but it does not lock like literally - just helps to keep appr. RPM and as simplest is this circuit as much it depends about load as well. I would prefer governor.
The same story is when capacitor "tuned" motor. Yes, you can have good save of energy when the motor of your drilling machine is tuned for drilling with small bits, when need to use large tool then you will be in troubles - you need to change tuning every time - it means you have to make measurings/tunings for every next work you planned :-\ Whether why not to use smaller motor - saved as well ;-) actually I just talked about if you meant this video where "tuning laboratory" guys showing their developments, lot of capacitors with switches etg... LC Tuned motor/generator could be good idea when constant speed and load, for ecample for driving cavity pump/heater ( I have planned to try).
Seems was not much helps from me ... >:(
Hereby Indian guys - look at their hydro power,
Poor Bharats but smart enough to understand about stabilizing and keeping fixed frequency ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF_4M6fiVEM&feature=related
Regards,
khabe
PS;
Please do not mail - please do not suggest these guys to try " Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp..." - poor guys will be throwed away from University ;D
I would have liked to see him stop the machine by removing the water hose from the water wheel, not by unpluging it.
Quote from: Rise of Raven on August 03, 2008, 04:37:25 PM
I would have liked to see him stop the machine by removing the water hose from the water wheel, not by unpluging it.
You right,
And removed slowly, no jumpy gestures ;)
khabe
So, any replications yet?
It would indeed seem to be a variation of the idea of powering a
windmill using an electric fan which in turn is powered by a generator
that is powered by the windmill.
Every physics teacher in the world will tell you it is impossible.
(Unless there is actual natural wind adding to the fan input)
Yes, obviously when you connect the motor of the waterpump
to the generator shaft via a water flow that is allowed to drop down
on a waterwheel, you eliminate direct coupling of the motor
and the generator's counter force,
but the energy needed to pump X water up should be more
than the energy produced by a generator driven by an inefficient
waterwheel which is driven by X water falling down. The water
doesn't get any lighter or heavier, the pump is apparently 80%
efficient, the waterwheel something like what, 50%, let's say
we also have an 80% efficient generator, and if you add all that up
it seems totally impossible for more energy to be produced by the
generator than the pump needs to pump the water back up...
Let's say we input E energy into the pump, then only 80% of that is
turned into moving water, which drops down onto a waterwheel that
is say 50% efficient so that's 50% of the 80% we already had, and now
the generator still needs to turn that into usefull energy output again
at say 80% efficiency again so that's 80% of 50% of 80% of E that comes
out of the generator. input/output ratio = E/0.32E, so the output would
seem to be only 32% of the input?
So how could it work, at all? ???
Quote from: Koen1 on August 04, 2008, 09:38:05 AM
So, any replications yet?
It would indeed seem to be a variation of the idea of powering a
windmill using an electric fan which in turn is powered by a generator
that is powered by the windmill.
Every physics teacher in the world will tell you it is impossible.
(Unless there is actual natural wind adding to the fan input)
Yes, obviously when you connect the motor of the waterpump
to the generator shaft via a water flow that is allowed to drop down
on a waterwheel, you eliminate direct coupling of the motor
and the generator's counter force,
but the energy needed to pump X water up should be more
than the energy produced by a generator driven by an inefficient
waterwheel which is driven by X water falling down. The water
doesn't get any lighter or heavier, the pump is apparently 80%
efficient, the waterwheel something like what, 50%, let's say
we also have an 80% efficient generator, and if you add all that up
it seems totally impossible for more energy to be produced by the
generator than the pump needs to pump the water back up...
Let's say we input E energy into the pump, then only 80% of that is
turned into moving water, which drops down onto a waterwheel that
is say 50% efficient so that's 50% of the 80% we already had, and now
the generator still needs to turn that into usefull energy output again
at say 80% efficiency again so that's 80% of 50% of 80% of E that comes
out of the generator. input/output ratio = E/0.32E, so the output would
seem to be only 32% of the input?
So how could it work, at all? ???
It might just work if the water wheel and pump were thrown away. If the generator voltage and frequency were V and Hz and the Capacitor C farads ...... then ..............Generator output = CV^2(Pi.Hz) Watts = At least the bulb output plus all other "inefficiencies". Say 120 Watts.
Vortex1 can handle this and I will betcha ya'll he does it this year.
Self-blown windmills... or recirculating watermills... Escher draw a few of those in the past.
If you're interested, there are descriptions and pictures, all the way to 15th century...
Yes, probably we've missed something....
->motor -> pump -> hose -> waterwheel -> belt-transmission -> generator ->
<---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<
lets minimize losses - throw away this generator and take out this motor from pump :o
->pump -> hose -> waterwheel -> belt-transmission -> (direct to pump)
<-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<
Will not work? Does it mean that Overunity is generator or/and motor ???
Good night,
khabe
Khabe,
I'm very busy working on the updated prototype video and dealing with many emails and people who want to come and document the machine. Checking today through this website and reading your messages actually makes me laugh. Reading through your figures of what you have tells me that you really don't know what you are talking about. Have you ever even done anything at all with your hands or are you basically a book learner? Not wasting any more of my time on this website - I have so many websites to look through. It seems to me that you don't understand something that is so hard to believe. So go back and read your books! If you want to email me personally, I can spend some time with you if you would like to learn something and good night.
James
JDHardy54@comcast.net
@JDHardy54
Don't let one member of the forum push you away.. please let us know when you have posted the next video.. looking forward to it!
Thanks,
Jason
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 05, 2008, 07:32:33 PM
Khabe,
I'm very busy working on the updated prototype video and dealing with many emails and people who want to come and document the machine. Checking today through this website and reading your messages actually makes me laugh. Reading through your figures of what you have tells me that you really don't know what you are talking about. Have you ever even done anything at all with your hands or are you basically a book learner? Not wasting any more of my time on this website - I have so many websites to look through. It seems to me that you don't understand something that is so hard to believe. So go back and read your books! If you want to email me personally, I can spend some time with you if you would like to learn something and good night.
James
JDHardy54@comcast.net
This is typical bullshit!
Next we will read from "bublished correspondence" of some member that "two men with dark coat have been visited you - was special agent from FBI and representor of National Department of Energy ... was very serious talking and you was forced to sign oath of secrecy ... national security ... international terrorism ... Washington ...
But what about Mr Jackson who has already patented this way to rescue humanity at energy crises ...from economic collapse ???
Was I good enough choice for you to abscond together with this silly thimbleriggery ???
I dont think so - too many peoples awaiting your promised - or you show it - true working unit - or you have to excuse ...
regards,
khabe
@all For the record I hold no patents that will save the world like Khabe has stated .Anybody with half a brain should be able to distinguished a patent application(especially when I tell you I don't have a patent) from a granted patent. I was just trying to help Mr. Hardy with some prior art granted patents that he may need to get around (he should have no problems getting around my poorly done 500 dollar patent applications or if any one else that may want to get around any my other poorly done 500 dollar patent applications it shoundn't be a problem) There is 11 all together this 500 dollar figure includes several failed prototypes. I gave up a long time ago on getting my 5000 dollars back, but I'm proud to be first on paper for most of them(I was 2nd on a couple of them.I wouldn't of even care about this forum but a few months back when I googled my name on Yahoo "robert jackson patent applications" links to this forum show up with people bad mouthing me this still happens and I really don't like it but I would feel forced to post something (like now) to try to defend myself .I get 75% of my hits on my free webpages from this source,.In a sick way it is funny (I have had people spend money on bad mouthing me for which I received 1000's of hits on my webpages) I would like to thank a couple of openmined people who took the time, effort, and money for publishing my open source ideas a few years ago. I never claimed to be a engineer (in fact I never been to college or even have a high school diploma) but I do consider myself a very creative person The following is some personal thoughts of mine about the patent office and why it would be hard for a independent inventor or small company to get a patent for any working "free energy device" Look at this list of political appointees at the patent office and tell me that it doesn't look suspicious I feel this may be the tip of the iceberg. The patent office may be corrupt Judge for yourself. Look at these bio's Vickers B. Meadows (in charge of human resources and corporate services) No prior patent expierence and close personal friend of the Bushes http://www.uspto.gov/biographies/bio_meadows.htm Margaret J.A. Peterlin (Deputy Director) http://www.uspto.gov/biographies/bio_peterlin.htm Google these prior employees James E. Rogan (director 2001-2004) had very littlle if any patent expiercienced and is proud of being a high school dropout(I don't hold that against him but other things I do).His name was link to the Jack Abramoff scandal (resign 2004 for some reason)Stephen M. Pinkos ex Deputy Director resign for some reason and was replaced by Peterlin. There is a law that says that director and deputy directors should have prior patent expierinced and there qualifications are questionable to say the least (In my opinion and numerous independent inventors organizations) Alot of people claim the patent office has been poorly managed and I feel this will be brought out in the open some day. Meantime I think a patent attorney with "connections " (they all work for the patent office only) could help anyone out with enough money and it wouldn't hurt being a republican for the time being for now at least. I don't think any so called "Mib's are worried about any independent inventor or small company because they control who gets the patent rights(Could it be big oil hmm). Basically patent rights are where the money is or at least that is what they think . More thoughts of mine on this subject are at http://www.geocities.com/jackson_robert58/patoffice.html I base these thoughts on logic (this administration actions concerning all political appointees in every department of government) I think a full scale non partsan investagation of the patent office should be done (not justice department or f.b.i.) I sure hope I don't have to reply to another post on this forum. PLEASE KEEP MY NAME OUT OF ANY FUTURE THREADS. I don't blame this inventor who this thread is about from not wanting to post here (What is the use he will be riduculed no matter what). I hope the best for this inventor. I did try a personal e-mail at first to this inventor (I know your busy) I posted all this following information because I thought it may be important to anyone who tries to patent any device like this one. I'm willing to help out in anyway I can to anyone who I can help. I don't have any granted patents so I don't think there is much I can do,thou. I'm pretty good at weeding out e-mails and don't take it personal if I don't feel I can help you.I can just imagine the possible reply's to this on this thread I hope this thread just dies as it should.I personally have said everything that I care to say forever on this or any other forum. There is very few people in this world that I care about and really don't care about rest. I will do my best to help the people I like and the rest can keep doing whatever you do just leave me out it PLEASE.
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 05, 2008, 07:32:33 PM
Khabe,
I'm very busy working on the updated prototype video and dealing with many emails and people who want to come and document the machine. Checking today through this website and reading your messages actually makes me laugh. Reading through your figures of what you have tells me that you really don't know what you are talking about. Have you ever even done anything at all with your hands or are you basically a book learner? Not wasting any more of my time on this website - I have so many websites to look through. It seems to me that you don't understand something that is so hard to believe. So go back and read your books! If you want to email me personally, I can spend some time with you if you would like to learn something and good night.
James
JDHardy54@comcast.net
Right on James,
Keep working at your dream. Do your thing......Just let me know when you make your next video.........
So few do anything but so many can type vitriol and total BS, I wonder what they crawl under at night to sleep......There almost seems to be a mob syndrome here on these list.....ATACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. The cynicism is so deep, the attention span so short and the desire is so strong to "Prove" something! The willingness to BUILD anything is almost zero as that would require real work and dedication for the pack. What are we as a group of inquisitive inventors coming too?...........it makes you want to barf.
Respectfully
Ben
Quote from: k4zep on August 08, 2008, 07:17:49 AM
Right on James,
Keep working at your dream. Do your thing......Just let me know when you make your next video.........
So few do anything but so many can type vitriol and total BS, I wonder what they crawl under at night to sleep......There almost seems to be a mob syndrome here on these list.....ATACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. The cynicism is so deep, the attention span so short and the desire is so strong to "Prove" something! The willingness to BUILD anything is almost zero as that would require real work and dedication for the pack. What are we as a group of inquisitive inventors coming too?...........it makes you want to barf.
Respectfully
Ben
Is there no other place for the frustrated kxxx people to hang out ?
The world would be a better place if people like you would transform their
energy into more positive or useful things.
It?s a shame, intelligent grown-ups spend their time (instead of watching tv)
on the computer blaming, bubbling this and that.
And if thats the only gain to satisfaction - than thats very sad.
There are some quite nice online games available (this is no online game per se).
And its easier there to get the credits.
play somewhere else. build something interesting, discuss something interesting
or just dont write something if there is nothing to say.
And if a thread is running idle, just post some shit.
Quote from: fritz on August 08, 2008, 08:00:49 AM
Is there no other place for the frustrated kxxx people to hang out ?
The world would be a better place if people like you would transform their
energy into more positive or useful things.
It?s a shame, intelligent grown-ups spend their time (instead of watching tv)
on the computer blaming, bubbling this and that.
And if thats the only gain to satisfaction - than thats very sad.
There are some quite nice online games available (this is no online game per se).
And its easier there to get the credits.
play somewhere else. build something interesting, discuss something interesting
or just dont write something if there is nothing to say.
And if a thread is running idle, just post some shit.
Well said!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/oly_opening_ceremony;_ylt=AqI7peF3fSMKy2u_MRIRjxqs0NUE
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 08, 2008, 09:54:46 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/oly_opening_ceremony;_ylt=AqI7peF3fSMKy2u_MRIRjxqs0NUE
Hi James,
Go USA team, hell may all the best men and ladies win from everwhere! Good to see you around. Now how bout that next video.........I'm slobergating..........
Ben
Interesting article about the Chevy Volt. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/general-motors
Long but great article.. Go VOLT!
Believe it or not, I've been very busy. Today was the first day that I tested the machine since we have made changes. I have added more paddles to the wheel and I put the machine up on caster wheels. I put it in the front of the garage and did a test run. I just emailed my partner - the problem that I am having is that I am only getting about (300watts) and I can not change over to generator power at that time. I don't know what I have done wrong, besides adding triple the paddles. I was looking forward to making the new video today. I'm waiting for my partner to get back to me and for him to get over here - it could be something that is very simple. Just wanted to give you an update and we'll be getting to you all soon
James
Changing the number of paddles will give different performance.
Why do you make this change ?
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 12, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
Believe it or not, I've been very busy. Today was the first day that I tested the machine since we have made changes. I have added more paddles to the wheel and I put the machine up on caster wheels. I put it in the front of the garage and did a test run. I just emailed my partner - the problem that I am having is that I am only getting about (300watts) and I can not change over to generator power at that time. I don't know what I have done wrong, besides adding triple the paddles. I was looking forward to making the new video today. I'm waiting for my partner to get back to me and for him to get over here - it could be something that is very simple. Just wanted to give you an update and we'll be getting to you all soon
James
All part of testing James.
Hope you get it sorted and look forward to the new videos.
Was it sat on the Ground before adding new castors out of interest?
Cheers
Sean.
The maximum (theoretical) rpm of the paddle wheel is
determined by the waterspeed.
If you add more paddles - you increase the time when
the waterstream is in between paddles - which shortens
the time where the stream can accelerate a paddle.
You get less speed and less power.
Increasing the number of paddles would only make sense
if the wheel would be completly streamed within water
like a river boat wheel.
By having 2 streams, 2 pumps and pairs of paddles,
you could double the torque - but that would change
or proof nothing. If it doesnt work in a single setup -
it doesnt work in a double/pair setup.
Take the input of some people here what concerns the
waterwheel not too serious - the thing was very nice and
working at all ;-)))))
If you would play around with the performance - higher
water speed (as long as the pump stays efficient)
and _LESS_ padles of bigger size would make sense.
rgds.
Adding more paddles should increase the performance, not decrease it. But then I could be wrong. My partner and his friend are coming over at 5:30 EDT to check it out. I'm going back to work on it until they get here. I added the extra paddle wheels before I put it up on the caster wheels. I will get back later today or tomorrow - my partner and I think it is something simple.
James
Thank you for your comments in your last message. Yes, you are correct. I'll talk to you later or tomorrow.
James
Good luck !!!
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 12, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
Believe it or not, I've been very busy. Today was the first day that I tested the machine since we have made changes. I have added more paddles to the wheel and I put the machine up on caster wheels. I put it in the front of the garage and did a test run. I just emailed my partner - the problem that I am having is that I am only getting about (300watts) and I can not change over to generator power at that time. I don't know what I have done wrong, besides adding triple the paddles. I was looking forward to making the new video today. I'm waiting for my partner to get back to me and for him to get over here - it could be something that is very simple. Just wanted to give you an update and we'll be getting to you all soon
James
Hi, JDHardy,
Yes, your original paddle wheel was the weakest link in the setup. (I commented it was like 10-15% efficient...)
No need to invent a hot water again, there is already
a lot of work available on different types of turbines. Just pick one. More paddles, better...
So, your current problem is that you're getting "only 300W" out of the setup (after the turbine improvements..)? Sorry, with what input?
Can you answer at least some of our questions, like:
- provide at least a basic schematic (el. connections) with the data
- pump AND generator details (I constantly hear about CalTech T10000 pump, is this true?)
- measurements ( & procedures) made so far (flow rate, electric, t/V...)
- self-sustaining ability (this should be possible according to the claims)
I'm looking forward to your (promissed!) new video.
Cheers!
Quote from: spinner on August 12, 2008, 04:04:09 PM
Hi, JDHardy,
Yes, your original paddle wheel was the weakest link in the setup. (I commented it was like 10-15% efficient...)
No need to invent a hot water again, there is already a lot of work available on different types of turbines. Just pick one. More paddles, better...
So, your current problem is that you're getting "only 300W" out of the setup (after the turbine improvements..)? Sorry, with what input?
Can you answer at least some of our questions, like:
- provide at least a basic schematic (el. connections) with the data
- pump AND generator details (I constantly hear about CalTech T10000 pump, is this true?)
- measurements ( & procedures) made so far (flow rate, electric, t/V...)
- self-sustaining ability (this should be possible according to the claims)
I'm looking forward to your (promissed!) new video.
Cheers!
Totally Bullshit, sorry,
More paddles == better - 4 feet == better
2 brains == better, 2 broken legs == better ???
This is no normal turbine.
I set up a formula for the ideal amount of paddles.
(see attachement)
Feel free to layout your exact derived efficiency calculation.
I have no clue where you buy your truth - maybe should buy
somewhere else.
Sorry, forgot the diameter of the water stream (in the calculation its almost 0)
If you give me the details - diameter wheel, distance paddle, diameter paddle,
diameter water beam - I can calculate you the right amount of paddles.
Should be slightly higher than in the previous calulation.
rgds
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 12, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
Believe it or not, I've been very busy. Today was the first day that I tested the machine since we have made changes. I have added more paddles to the wheel and I put the machine up on caster wheels. I put it in the front of the garage and did a test run. I just emailed my partner - the problem that I am having is that I am only getting about (300watts) and I can not change over to generator power at that time. I don't know what I have done wrong, besides adding triple the paddles. I was looking forward to making the new video today. I'm waiting for my partner to get back to me and for him to get over here - it could be something that is very simple. Just wanted to give you an update and we'll be getting to you all soon
James
Hi James,
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr. If I have learned one thing in 65 years it is:
If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it..especially in this arena!..........
Hope you sort it out! IF you still have the RPM's make sure you don't have a generator problem on that rebuilt unit...
Those extra spoons might be breaking up the stream too much. You might have been getting all the power from the little V in the pulley! Physically they are the same as a spoon in redirecting the water and resultant torque, continous and linear in operation, a cross between a Pelton spoon and a Tesla generator. Perhaps spoons just got it started!
Respectfully
Ben
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 12, 2008, 02:48:15 PM
Thank you for your comments in your last message. Yes, you are correct. I'll talk to you later or tomorrow.
James
Hey, great to see you here!
I have a theory about how your setup works, I believe that flux is leaving the motor through the holes and being absorbed in the external circuitry inducing more energy than any normal estimate would guess. (I believe the flux is 'radiant', that it rides on aetheric shockwaves released by the rewound generator)
Is this in your opinion correct or possibly correct?
Is there ANY chance of getting info on your circuit?
Thank You.
BTW if you think my 'theory' sounds crazy, well so do I.
But it seems that that or something very much like it is possible based on my research.
note: sorry about the extra long sig, will prune it in a few days.
Edit: Reply to fritz below
fritz, how so?
The second line is about in general skepticism (or unreasonable skepticism), that is not something displayed in the above text unless you read if wrong.
Maybe however you meant the second point not the second line? If so I would say you could only come to that conclusion by being skeptical and closed minded. as I can assure you my reasoning is based on much evidence.
Quote from: k4zep on August 13, 2008, 07:08:37 AM
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr. If I have learned one thing in 65 years it is: If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it..especially in this arena!..........
I will draw that in huge letters at the entrance of my LAB.
lol.
rgds.
Quote from: aether22 on August 13, 2008, 07:21:03 AM
Hey, great to see you here!
I have a theory about how your setup works, I believe that flux is leaving the motor through the holes and being absorbed in the external circuitry inducing more energy than any normal estimate would guess. (I believe the flux is 'radiant', that it rides on aetheric shockwaves released by the rewound generator)
Is this in your opinion correct or possibly correct?
Is there ANY chance of getting info on your circuit?
Thank You.
BTW if you think my 'theory' sounds crazy, well so do I.
But it seems that that or something very much like it is possible based on my research.
note: sorry about the extra long sig, will prune it in a few days.
I?m not sure if your post complies with the 2nd line of your sig.
Quote from: aether22 on August 13, 2008, 07:21:03 AM
Hey, great to see you here!
I have a theory about how your setup works, I believe that flux is leaving the motor through the holes and being absorbed in the external circuitry inducing more energy than any normal estimate would guess. (I believe the flux is 'radiant', that it rides on aetheric shockwaves released by the rewound generator)
Is this in your opinion correct or possibly correct?
Is there ANY chance of getting info on your circuit?
Thank You.
BTW if you think my 'theory' sounds crazy, well so do I.
But it seems that that or something very much like it is possible based on my research.
note: sorry about the extra long sig, will prune it in a few days.
Hi James,
I think it sounds crazy..... "I believe the flux is 'radiant', that it rides on aetheric shockwaves released by the rewound generator"
Yep, Nuts. Even you admit that!
Unless you can prove a RADIANT flux which by definition is something going out "radiant"....and you need something coming in to get more of something plus once it goes through the holes, it is outside the coils! no coupling!, Unless you can prove the existence of an aetheric ( what the hell is Aetheric?" shockwave in this configuration...........Yep sounds crazy to me.
Please post a working circuit that will demonstrate radiant flux (and instrumentation to indicate it is "radiant") in a multilayer iron core generator and demonstrate an aetheric shockwave (camera) and show in operation! We don't need theories, we need working devices!
Theories and words are cheap!
Ben
Last night we all got together at my house. We worked two hours and we eliminated the paddle wheel and the pump as being the problem. We hooked up an electric motor to the generator shaft and ran several tests and found a few problems with the generator. My partner is a Master Electrician and has a workshop at his house where he rebuilds generators and motors. I will be going over this weekend to work with him. We should be all set after this weekend.
Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions. Keep all the ideas coming - it's all helpful and good stuff. I'll get back to all of you but right now I have to go back to my day job.
James
Is it possible to prepeare the falsity by a Master Electrician?
Never!
khabe
Quote from: khabe on August 13, 2008, 06:12:16 PM
Is it possible to prepeare the falsity by a Master Electrician?
Never!
khabe
prepeare for Trolltime !!!!
Better Master Electrician as Master of nothing.
Khabe,
Reading through all your comments, it sounds like you are really interested in helping me out by giving me advice. I appreciate all your figures and all your input. Steve, my partner, is also a very smart guy and has been in his field for thirty years. Everyone who has worked with us on the project are also very smart people, all licensed engineers and electricians. All together we have had about five people work with us, so it is always good to hear what you have to say and we take your comments under consideration. I'm going out for the evening and I'll be getting back to the website this weekend after we fix the problem. Next week sometime I will be having a couple of professionals come and document the machine. I will also be making the new video.
James
Quote from: k4zep on August 13, 2008, 09:27:42 AM
Hi James,
I think it sounds crazy..... "I believe the flux is 'radiant', that it rides on aetheric shockwaves released by the rewound generator"
Yep, Nuts. Even you admit that!
Unless you can prove a RADIANT flux which by definition is something going out "radiant"....and you need something coming in to get more of something plus once it goes through the holes, it is outside the coils! no coupling!, Unless you can prove the existence of an aetheric ( what the hell is Aetheric?" shockwave in this configuration...........Yep sounds crazy to me.
Please post a working circuit that will demonstrate radiant flux (and instrumentation to indicate it is "radiant") in a multilayer iron core generator and demonstrate an aetheric shockwave (camera) and show in operation! We don't need theories, we need working devices!
Theories and words are cheap!
Well there is a lot of evidence that something can occur which causes the equivalent of flux being projected or pulled which means it may by copied, teleported, amplified etc...
But the model that makes the most sense if in fact the projecting and pulling of flux, I used the term radiant in the hopes that those who accept popular theories would accept it, but it is not a term/theory I would prefer.
In fact I hate theories, only evidence and observation.
There is much evidence for flux being projected or pulled, and we'll focus on magnetic flux here (though it might not be purely true that it is magnetic flux).
When considering evidence for this kind of thing you have to accept that to make advances beyond what is well established you must consider data which has not been peer reviewed, you will actually have to remove your prejudices as to what is and is not possible and weight the evidence on it's own merits, and the similarity is has to other data.
There are a few different types of evidence for this, first there is projection of static magnetic fields.
Then there is radio wave.
Then there is free energy.
and then there is subtle.
and finally a few that don't fit in any of the above.
Let's first to start with the last one, subtle.
This is in some ways the weakest because it is the most removed, however I believe it give a good picture of what can occur between distant bodies.
You have no doubt heard that one twin can sometimes feel a pain when the other is injured.
The Russians did an experiment where they took i think it was the mother rabbit down on a sub and on land one by one killed it's babies, the vitals of the mother rabbit responded.
i have heard that if you take a crystal and break it in 2 and monitor one half, by smashing the other half at a distance the piece being monitored reacts.
There is much much more evidence of this obviously but those 3 will do, it seems that somehow by having 2 things that are tuned to each other, I suppose Keely would have said 'in sympathetic vibration' you can transfer effects, this also relates directly to radionics, the claim that rays/streams can transfer an energy or effect.
I went to a lecture where a noble prize wining scientist (for work in QCD) told us how they had proven that all matter was made of vibrations/vorticies in the fluid void, and it truly was impressive the level of evidence, at the end I even asked him if the void could be termed aether and he agreed. (it fit perfectly with my own evidence based model of the aether)
Radionics I have no doubt is just tuning into the aetheric disturbance created by matter which establishes a stream of aether/void, and magnetism is of course just a disturbance in the aether so why would it not follow along? (Torsion physics is clearly the same thing)
Pavilta was indeed able to gather such magnetic like forces in special devices and project it.
Of course there is much evidence and science in all of what I have mentioned above but none of it will be accepted by skeptic magazine any time soon.
Ok, now let's move on to evidence of projection of steady magnetic fields.
First I'll quote an account:
"In another experiment, a magnetic torsion beam was suspended and balanced at its center. A strong magnet is then placed on a table with one pole extended toward the suspended torsion beam. After many oscillations the beam would be attracted to the opposite magnetic pole of the magnet on the table. Donald Roth reports that after five days the magnet can be removed at considerable distance from the balanced torsion beam but that the beam will still be attracted as though the magnet was still there. This experiment should be duplicated by some of the NEN readers. If the experiment is repeatable, then this evidence could be used to claim that the aether can exhibit some type of memory or inertia for magnetic fields. The discovery of the Aspden Effect (see NEN, Feb. 1995, vol 2, no 10, p 1ff) or rotational magnetic inertia and this effect observed by Roth may have some common explanation. NEN readers: Do you have a good explanation? Is this evidence for an aether?"
And another from: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/exper.html
"I was building a electromagnet and It was starting to look good. I had put a switch on it to divert the power at my will. Also, i had added a minutere tesla coil to the design for optimal power. when i hooked it up to a 9 volt battery and i held up the screwdriver which i had wrapped the wire around to magnatise. i was able to take my other hand and metal objects would attract to it as if my hand were a magnet.
Anonymous
USA - Monday, January 25, 1999 at 03:55:25 (PST) "
So here are 2 cases of static magnetic fields being projected, and while one is better presented we may choose to accept both as possibly true.
A third is found in the magnetic beamer of Boyd Bushman, he was able to project a magnetic field I forget but over 20 feet at least with his beamer, it was also found to have other interesting qualities such as effecting electrical discharge length, and slow acceleration toward the earth, interesting that magnets have in these same basic orientations been reported to have those 2 effect, including an effect reported by Stiffler.
Though the 3 above are the only pieces of evidence I can find for static magnetic field projection, I am aware of another report that IIRC was from a list member of vortex-l (Bill Beaty's list), it was of feeling a force (vibration) from a bifilar coil energized with AC in a magnet held in line, the effect could be felt on the magnet at very significant distances when perfectly inline with the center of the coil.
Actually I forgot, there are also 3-4 cases of the earths magnetic field being redirected/diverted by the use of in most cases non-magnetic materials, for instance a N pole at the top of a glass tetrahedron (there are several very similar cases) but this is a little different but is likely related.
There are a great number of discoveries in radio transmission that verify my claim very very well, however the number is too great to list here
However these include observations that ground radio works and that it acts like a stream, searching 'Borderlands' and 'ground radio' will bring up a wealth on info for instance, the qualities are identical to what would be expected based on an aether stream carrying radio signals and defy explanation by any other means.
Then there are a large number of radio antennas, some can receive inside a metal enclosure (a Faraday cage) and some can transmit from such an enclosure also.
They can receive radio signals at staggering strengths and make no conventional electrical sense (although they make ample aetheric sense).
Going into detail with these devices would easily make the message far too large but I consider this to be the most obvious and well proven evidence that you can pull in fields.
Now we get to the real purpose of this message, Free Energy!
After making the above connections, I took a look at Free Energy devices to see if this made any sense, and my conclusion was that it is the only thing that makes really any sense.
We know that to induce electrical energy you need a field, an electric field to induce current, no other means really seems likely.
Let's start off close to home, Stiffler can have a scanning coil and find that he will get a constant induction of energy into it without reduction, until at a given distance it goes to zero.
Of course Stifflers view of this is not that the ferrite is producing a uniform field around it's self without and drop off over distance, nor does he propose that there is a connection between the ferrite and scanning coil as I do, rather he believes that the ferrite effects space in a bubble form and that the scanning coil pulls energy from space although I am not sure if he can answer why it needs a given orientation between the 2 coils.
Ok, I'm going to finish it right there for now, the investment of time to probably be ignored is too great and I have things I want to do, the short version though is that this explanation makes stunning sense when FE devices are studied, the best for making it clear would be Kipper and Hermann Plauson but if you look at the number of devices that have a loose coupling transformer, or an unsheilded motor.generator or buzzer it is overwhelming.
And to answer your question, the 'coupling' is in one direction only, that's why it is OU.
And it's not coupling to the coils (they put a force/emf back on the rotor/whatever due to the proximity), it is the external circuitry that absorbs the flux and though it works better of coiled it does not need to be.
The flux source (preferably ferromagnetic) projects flux which is sucked into the (preferably not ferromagnetic) pickup circuitry, there is no mutual coupling, however a highly unidirectional 'coupling' does exist.
I daily try and think of an alternative, but really there are only 2 effective options (besides an answer that adds up to something pretty much the same), either I'm right, or there are many people who have lied and an astronomical coincidence has taken place.
Recognize that if you look at these effects they DON'T make conventional sense, these things are said to be impossible and that is for a damn good reason, but when they do happen things turn quite anomalous and in many ways. (look at the anomalies in a SEC for instance)
Just as you shared the very very true insight into replication of this type of tech 'Don't try to fix it'.
Let me offer 'Don't assume that highly unconventional things are following conventional physics'.
Anomalies swarm around these devices and it is just as likely you will find 1 anomaly as 5. (FE & AG pop up in the same devices)
My favorite example I keep making is the GEET which has over 200 'impossibilities' noted, it even fogs film.
I do intend on finishing this at some point later.
You are arguing that conventional physics doesn't support what I am saying and that my claim is crazy sounding, but so are the reported anomalies, and conventional physics can't explain any of this.
This is not a theory, this does not make sense to me, rather it is an observation with at least 50 pieces of evidence all saying the same thing and that is all I listen to since it has never put me wrong yet.
As for a circuit, I could point to many devices that have bee made and found to work and even been successfully replicated, however as with all of this it is all in the details, I could not replicate the effects you or Stiffler got with the Fluro tubes even with your assistance.
Quote from: aether22 on August 13, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
Well there is a lot of evidence that something can occur which causes the equivalent of flux being projected or pulled which means it may by copied, teleported, amplified etc...
But the model that makes the most sense if in fact the projecting and pulling of flux, I used the term radiant in the hopes that those who accept popular theories would accept it, but it is not a term/theory I would prefer.
In fact I hate theories, only evidence and observation.
There is much evidence for flux being projected or pulled, and we'll focus on magnetic flux here (though it might not be purely true that it is magnetic flux).
When considering evidence for this kind of thing you have to accept that to make advances beyond what is well established you must consider data which has not been peer reviewed, you will actually have to remove your prejudices as to what is and is not possible and weight the evidence on it's own merits, and the similarity is has to other data.
There are a few different types of evidence for this, first there is projection of static magnetic fields.
Then there is radio wave.
Then there is free energy.
and then there is subtle.
and finally a few that don't fit in any of the above.
Let's first to start with the last one, subtle.
This is in some ways the weakest because it is the most removed, however I believe it give a good picture of what can occur between distant bodies.
You have no doubt heard that one twin can sometimes feel a pain when the other is injured.
The Russians did an experiment where they took i think it was the mother rabbit down on a sub and on land one by one killed it's babies, the vitals of the mother rabbit responded.
i have heard that if you take a crystal and break it in 2 and monitor one half, by smashing the other half at a distance the piece being monitored reacts.
There is much much more evidence of this obviously but those 3 will do, it seems that somehow by having 2 things that are tuned to each other, I suppose Keely would have said 'in sympathetic vibration' you can transfer effects, this also relates directly to radionics, the claim that rays/streams can transfer an energy or effect.
I went to a lecture where a noble prize wining scientist (for work in QCD) told us how they had proven that all matter was made of vibrations/vorticies in the fluid void, and it truly was impressive the level of evidence, at the end I even asked him if the void could be termed aether and he agreed. (it fit perfectly with my own evidence based model of the aether)
Radionics I have no doubt is just tuning into the aetheric disturbance created by matter which establishes a stream of aether/void, and magnetism is of course just a disturbance in the aether so why would it not follow along? (Torsion physics is clearly the same thing)
Pavilta was indeed able to gather such magnetic like forces in special devices and project it.
Of course there is much evidence and science in all of what I have mentioned above but none of it will be accepted by skeptic magazine any time soon.
Ok, now let's move on to evidence of projection of steady magnetic fields.
First I'll quote an account:
"In another experiment, a magnetic torsion beam was suspended and balanced at its center. A strong magnet is then placed on a table with one pole extended toward the suspended torsion beam. After many oscillations the beam would be attracted to the opposite magnetic pole of the magnet on the table. Donald Roth reports that after five days the magnet can be removed at considerable distance from the balanced torsion beam but that the beam will still be attracted as though the magnet was still there. This experiment should be duplicated by some of the NEN readers. If the experiment is repeatable, then this evidence could be used to claim that the aether can exhibit some type of memory or inertia for magnetic fields. The discovery of the Aspden Effect (see NEN, Feb. 1995, vol 2, no 10, p 1ff) or rotational magnetic inertia and this effect observed by Roth may have some common explanation. NEN readers: Do you have a good explanation? Is this evidence for an aether?"
And another from: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/exper.html
"I was building a electromagnet and It was starting to look good. I had put a switch on it to divert the power at my will. Also, i had added a minutere tesla coil to the design for optimal power. when i hooked it up to a 9 volt battery and i held up the screwdriver which i had wrapped the wire around to magnatise. i was able to take my other hand and metal objects would attract to it as if my hand were a magnet.
Anonymous
USA - Monday, January 25, 1999 at 03:55:25 (PST) "
So here are 2 cases of static magnetic fields being projected, and while one is better presented we may choose to accept both as possibly true.
A third is found in the magnetic beamer of Boyd Bushman, he was able to project a magnetic field I forget but over 20 feet at least with his beamer, it was also found to have other interesting qualities such as effecting electrical discharge length, and slow acceleration toward the earth, interesting that magnets have in these same basic orientations been reported to have those 2 effect, including an effect reported by Stiffler.
Though the 3 above are the only pieces of evidence I can find for static magnetic field projection, I am aware of another report that IIRC was from a list member of vortex-l (Bill Beaty's list), it was of feeling a force (vibration) from a bifilar coil energized with AC in a magnet held in line, the effect could be felt on the magnet at very significant distances when perfectly inline with the center of the coil.
Actually I forgot, there are also 3-4 cases of the earths magnetic field being redirected/diverted by the use of in most cases non-magnetic materials, for instance a N pole at the top of a glass tetrahedron (there are several very similar cases) but this is a little different but is likely related.
There are a great number of discoveries in radio transmission that verify my claim very very well, however the number is too great to list here
However these include observations that ground radio works and that it acts like a stream, searching 'Borderlands' and 'ground radio' will bring up a wealth on info for instance, the qualities are identical to what would be expected based on an aether stream carrying radio signals and defy explanation by any other means.
Then there are a large number of radio antennas, some can receive inside a metal enclosure (a Faraday cage) and some can transmit from such an enclosure also.
They can receive radio signals at staggering strengths and make no conventional electrical sense (although they make ample aetheric sense).
Going into detail with these devices would easily make the message far too large but I consider this to be the most obvious and well proven evidence that you can pull in fields.
Now we get to the real purpose of this message, Free Energy!
After making the above connections, I took a look at Free Energy devices to see if this made any sense, and my conclusion was that it is the only thing that makes really any sense.
We know that to induce electrical energy you need a field, an electric field to induce current, no other means really seems likely.
Let's start off close to home, Stiffler can have a scanning coil and find that he will get a constant induction of energy into it without reduction, until at a given distance it goes to zero.
Of course Stifflers view of this is not that the ferrite is producing a uniform field around it's self without and drop off over distance, nor does he propose that there is a connection between the ferrite and scanning coil as I do, rather he believes that the ferrite effects space in a bubble form and that the scanning coil pulls energy from space although I am not sure if he can answer why it needs a given orientation between the 2 coils.
Ok, I'm going to finish it right there for now, the investment of time to probably be ignored is too great and I have things I want to do, the short version though is that this explanation makes stunning sense when FE devices are studied, the best for making it clear would be Kipper and Hermann Plauson but if you look at the number of devices that have a loose coupling transformer, or an unsheilded motor.generator or buzzer it is overwhelming.
And to answer your question, the 'coupling' is in one direction only, that's why it is OU.
And it's not coupling to the coils (they put a force/emf back on the rotor/whatever due to the proximity), it is the external circuitry that absorbs the flux and though it works better of coiled it does not need to be.
The flux source (preferably ferromagnetic) projects flux which is sucked into the (preferably not ferromagnetic) pickup circuitry, there is no mutual coupling, however a highly unidirectional 'coupling' does exist.
I daily try and think of an alternative, but really there are only 2 effective options (besides an answer that adds up to something pretty much the same), either I'm right, or there are many people who have lied and an astronomical coincidence has taken place.
Recognize that if you look at these effects they DON'T make conventional sense, these things are said to be impossible and that is for a damn good reason, but when they do happen things turn quite anomalous and in many ways. (look at the anomalies in a SEC for instance)
Just as you shared the very very true insight into replication of this type of tech 'Don't try to fix it'.
Let me offer 'Don't assume that highly unconventional things are following conventional physics'.
Anomalies swarm around these devices and it is just as likely you will find 1 anomaly as 5. (FE & AG pop up in the same devices)
My favorite example I keep making is the GEET which has over 200 'impossibilities' noted, it even fogs film.
I do intend on finishing this at some point later.
You are arguing that conventional physics doesn't support what I am saying and that my claim is crazy sounding, but so are the reported anomalies, and conventional physics can't explain any of this.
This is not a theory, this does not make sense to me, rather it is an observation with at least 50 pieces of evidence all saying the same thing and that is all I listen to since it has never put me wrong yet.
As for a circuit, I could point to many devices that have bee made and found to work and even been successfully replicated, however as with all of this it is all in the details, I could not replicate the effects you or Stiffler got with the Fluro tubes even with your assistance.
Hi James,
Wow, I stand Awe. You obviously don't need my assistance in any way. ::)
Ben
Quote from: k4zep on August 13, 2008, 09:08:06 PM
Hi James,
Wow, I stand Awe. You obviously don't need my assistance in any way. ::)
Ben
Well my name isn't James, it's John.
And I assume though I could be wrong that your reply is facetious?
>>Please post a working circuit that will demonstrate radiant flux (and instrumentation to indicate it is "radiant") in a multilayer iron core generator
No iron core is required, this effect works poorly in closed magnetic circuits if at all.
The effect is between somewhat open magnetic circuits and external wiring which can if given the right conditions pull this kind of released flux in. (light bulbs, positively charged wire, multi strand wire, carbon rods are or seem to be better candidates than normal wiring)
>and demonstrate an aetheric shockwave (camera)
Stiffler demoed an electron-aether shockwave in his lab, it set off weather alarms, literally.
His experiments were based on my correlations or 'theories' regarding Hiddink et al.
Did I just get lucky there and with the carbon rod?
I have correlated all up 8 examples (6 listed in the Hiddink thread) of electrons of a relatively low voltage moving through the air all with the same unusual magnetic/electric current config and another 3 with a very similar config with xrays and ozone, and I can find only 1 instance of this config in a device where this effect is not found. (SM's TPU)
However I am not aware of any way to take a photo of an aetheric shockwave, it was described by Tesla and many have found it.
>We don't need theories, we need working devices! Theories and words are cheap!
Agreed, I have never listened to anyones theory and have just focused on the evidence where ever it leads.
Understanding the difference between a theory and an evidence based conclusion is tricky when it comes to evaluating someone elses work, but the difference is that the theory is just an idea and could be wrong (most are).
Where a solid image based on evidence require a huge improbability and or deception to have occurred.
It makes sense to see what threads, correlations, clues may be gained by studying this technology.
If your reaction was because you felt the evidence I presented was poor then that would be because I only presented a fraction of it.
So IMO to get anywhere we need to understand these working devices (not yet another device that some can and some can't kinda make work), now naturally if you take a far less liberal view of the evidence and if you assume it was almost certainly all fake then you would need far more evidence to tip you over into accepting the correlation as being valid (I may have that much but it is more than can be covered in a message or 3), but if you are more perceptive than dismissive you'll see I've got a point.
Anyway I was hoping that James would reply to my inquiry but it seems the closest I am going to get is Ben calling me James, oh well.
@ All:
This is my 2 cents although no one asked me. (They rarely do these days)
First, welcome James. I applaud and appreciate your efforts as well as the fact you are sharing them with us. I have read through the posts and I know the inefficiency of the paddle wheel has been discussed. My original thought when I first saw your first video was why you didn't use an enclosed impeller system to capture all of the water energy that you have "paid" for? Something like a small version of a jet ski drive or a small turbocharger connected with an input pipe. Every drop of water that does not contact a paddle is wasted energy that has already been paid for with power.
I have no idea why this works as you now have it. It shouldn't. I can clearly see that you went to a lot of trouble to build this device, much more trouble than anyone would just to post a fake youtube video, so I have ruled that out. As others have also mentioned, I wonder if the caps (are they super capacitors?) are acting like batteries? If so, the device would not self run very long. Possibly there is something else going on that has been overlooked by us? By this I mean something inherent in the diameters of your pulleys, the load on the generator, and the volume of the pump possibly hitting a resonance "sweet spot"? I will continue to follow your efforts and hope that you continue to share your results with us. Best of luck to you. This is fascinating.
@ Stefan:
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Have you thought about possibly interviewing James? He seems like a decent guy and I'll bet he would talk to you and you could post it on the forum. Thank you.
Bill
Quote from: fritz on August 12, 2008, 05:08:53 PM
Totally Bullshit, sorry,
More paddles == better - 4 feet == better, 2 brains == better, 2 broken legs == better ???
Well, you have a right to your own opinion. :P
I think your " this is bullshit" comment is directed towards my evaluation of the setup paddle wheel efficiency and not to my fair questions directed to the inventor?
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This is no normal turbine. I set up a formula for the ideal amount of paddles. (see attachement)
Yes, this is not a normal turbine, it is
a very inefficient one. Inventor is aware of this fact.
Btw, your formula is far from reality (it uses a geometrical approach without any usefull connections with real turbines).
The number of "paddles" in a "real turbine" is determined by the long series of calculations considering tens of parameters like head/water jet velocity/pressure/air flow, expected power/torque/operating rpm, complete geometry (of inlets, nozzle(s), paddles,..), turbine dimensions -diameter, subtype of turbine, etc, etc... One of the main factors is (>100years known fact) that the distance between paddles is usually less than a 'diameter' of a single paddle. (The transfer of energy should be as smooth as possible, so in any time there's at least 2 of the paddles hit with the water stream...)
And a diameter of the paddle "cup" is
at least 2,5x bigger than a diameter of a jet stream... More than a century of turbine development and millions of engineer hours went into what we know about turbines today... That's why I said "no need to invent a hot water again"...
I hope you'd agree that a
right choice for an application "described" in this thread is a
Pelton type turbine, which is an impulse driven machine, meaning the water stream kinetic energy is transferred to a turbine torque by "chopping" an incoming water jet in
as small as possible "quanta" carrying motional energy. Newtonian physic, force parallelograms, fluid dynamics and more than a century of a "real life" experience..
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Feel free to layout your exact derived efficiency calculation.
I have no clue where you buy your truth - maybe should buy somewhere else.
Lol, i get "my truth" out of already existing knowledge. I'd suggest you try it, too. It won't hurt, I promise.
After understanding the turbines, you may remove your "bullshit" post about "less&bigger paddles is better". Sorry, no offence!
And, about efficiency "calcs" - I said it's my own evaluation, based on following:
Take "A state of the art Pelton turbine". (It has
>90% kinetics exchange (overall) efficiency).
Of all variables, change just the geometry (use a
flat paddles instead of Pelton "cups"). In practice, this reduces the efficiency by some 50%... (check out the "Pelton-cups" physics, an U-turn kinetics, a "conservation of mass" principle with the water stream velocity vectors...)
Now, remove 80 % of the paddles (that would be close to a paddle wheel discussed here), or a case calculated by Fritz...
This step severely downgrades the efficiency for additional ~60,..70%...
So, 0,9*0,5*0,3= 0,13 %...
Of course, there's a bunch of equations for calculating Pelton efficiency, too, but they all need a "real case" with as much as known data possible...
Which is not what we have at the moment, right?
I'll say again - the "poor paddle wheel" is certainly not a "cause of OU", claimed by the inventor. I'm sure of that. So, what's the truth?
:)
Btw Fritz, I might talk "bullshit".... Only Time will tell...
Cheers!
Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 13, 2008, 11:26:08 PM
....This is my 2 cents although no one asked me. (They rarely do these days)
:D
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First, welcome James. I applaud and appreciate your efforts as well as the fact you are sharing them with us. I have read through the posts and I know the inefficiency of the paddle wheel has been discussed. My original thought when I first saw your first video was why you didn't use an enclosed impeller system to capture all of the water energy that you have "paid" for? Something like a small version of a jet ski drive or a small turbocharger connected with an input pipe.
Pirate, I don't think an "enclosed impeller system" would be beneficial. After all, a Pelton is quite different than water jet pump. With Pelton, a trapped/(dead) water would cause additional losses.
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Every drop of water that does not contact a paddle is wasted energy that has already been paid for with power.
EXACTLY! This is a summary related to a question discussing a necessary number of "paddles" (water wheels, turbines,..).
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I have no idea why this works as you now have it. It shouldn't. I can clearly see that you went to a lot of trouble to build this device, much more trouble than anyone would just to post a fake youtube video, so I have ruled that out. As others have also mentioned, I wonder if the caps (are they super capacitors?) are acting like batteries? If so, the device would not self run very long. Possibly there is something else going on that has been overlooked by us? By this I mean something inherent in the diameters of your pulleys, the load on the generator, and the volume of the pump possibly hitting a resonance "sweet spot"? I will continue to follow your efforts and hope that you continue to share your results with us. Best of luck to you. This is fascinating.
....
Bill
Ok, there may be something strange happening.... Let's see what future will reveal. And I hope inventor will tell at least some things about...
My thoughts are ... Ah, never mind.
Cheers!
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
Well, you have a right to your own opinion. :P
I think your " this is bullshit" comment is directed towards my evaluation of the setup paddle wheel efficiency and not to my fair questions directed to the inventor?
yes.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
Yes, this is not a normal turbine, it is a very inefficient one. Inventor is aware of this fact.
Btw, your formula is far from reality (it uses a geometrical approach without any usefull connections with real turbines).
If this would be a nominal setup - I would agree with you -
I just think that the "innefficient" setup plays some role in the
overall effect. This is the reason why I think that normal engineering
principles might be not sufficient to explain what happens.
Because lots of people here throw around with quite
non-orthodox theories what concerns electrical engineering -
I think even mechanical or hydrodynamic setups might show
non-conventional effects.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
The number of "paddles" in a "real turbine" is determined by the long series of calculations considering tens of parameters like head/water jet velocity/pressure/air flow, expected power/torque/operating rpm, complete geometry (of inlets, nozzle(s), paddles,..), turbine dimensions -diameter, subtype of turbine, etc, etc... One of the main factors is (>100years known fact) that the distance between paddles is usually less than a 'diameter' of a single paddle. (The transfer of energy should be as smooth as possible, so in any time there's at least 2 of the paddles hit with the water stream...)
And a diameter of the paddle "cup" is at least 2,5x bigger than a diameter of a jet stream... More than a century of turbine development and millions of engineer hours went into what we know about turbines today... That's why I said "no need to invent a hot water again"...
and thats exact the point.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
(The transfer of energy should be as smooth as possible, so in any time there's at least 2 of the paddles hit with the water stream...)
I expect that the oscillating energy in this "inefficient" setup interacts with the
pump which adds extra energy due to high energy water bursts.
(the inertia of the wheel is quite low - and by using a belt in the transmission -
the wheel may experience oscillating torque)
If this plays a role in the effect - the design principles you mention above have
nothing todo with the efficiency of the device - the opposite will be the case -
and it would work like an ordinary "inefficient" setup.
This is why I calulated the minimum geometrical amount of paddles for
maximum oscillation.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
I hope you'd agree that a right choice for an application "described" in this thread is a Pelton type turbine, which is an impulse driven machine, meaning the water stream kinetic energy is transferred to a turbine torque by "chopping" an incoming water jet in as small as possible "quanta" carrying motional energy. Newtonian physic, force parallelograms, fluid dynamics and more than a century of a "real life" experience..
yes, but I think we need other design principles here as suggested above.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
Lol, i get "my truth" out of already existing knowledge. I'd suggest you try it, too. It won't hurt, I promise.
After understanding the turbines, you may remove your "bullshit" post about "less&bigger paddles is better". Sorry, no offence!
I?m very sorry about that "bullshit" - statement - but I somehow got
offended that everyone is claiming "inefficient" - but doesn?t lay out any
arguments.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
And, about efficiency "calcs" - I said it's my own evaluation, based on following:
Take "A state of the art Pelton turbine". (It has >90% kinetics exchange (overall) efficiency).
Of all variables, change just the geometry (use a flat paddles instead of Pelton "cups"). In practice, this reduces the efficiency by some 50%... (check out the "Pelton-cups" physics, an U-turn kinetics, a "conservation of mass" principle with the water stream velocity vectors...)
no problem with that.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
Now, remove 80 % of the paddles (that would be close to a paddle wheel discussed here), or a case calculated by Fritz...
This step severely downgrades the efficiency for additional ~60,..70%...
So, 0,9*0,5*0,3= 0,13 %...
Of course, there's a bunch of equations for calculating Pelton efficiency, too, but they all need a "real case" with as much as known data possible...
Which is not what we have at the moment, right?
I'll say again - the "poor paddle wheel" is certainly not a "cause of OU", claimed by the inventor. I'm sure of that. So, what's the truth?
:)
I?m not that sure what concerns the role of the paddlewheel here.
Quote from: spinner on August 14, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
Btw Fritz, I might talk "bullshit".... Only Time will tell...
Lets see - if this is another "magic generator" setup - what I don?t think because there
looks to be serious people involved - than the OU has to happen somewhere else.
If there is an oscillation water stream - the construction principles for
a pelton turbine are completly wrong here.
sorry for the "bullshit" - maybe I wanted to provoke a more detailed discussion.
rgds.
If you look at the first video - the water flow is not steady
at all - looks to be very turbulent.
Thats why Im "ON" this ideas.
Hi Fritz!
I know (and have noticed in the past) that you're one of the clever "tinkerers" around here, that's why I reacted on your "bullshit" post.... (I admit I was a little insulted, because you're one of those which opinion I respect...)
I understand your reasoning, still, I'm very skeptical about the truth behind this setup.
Maybe it's because I've seen too many similar claims (without a definite proof) in the past years?
OK, let's give the inventor a chance to produce or show us something, and let's all hope for the best!
See you!
I just got home from work and have read everyone's comments. I'm glad everyone is trying to figure this out. About ten years ago I was fixing VCR's and TV's for people - I would have 10 VCR's on my kitchen table and 15 in the closet for spare parts. When my son's hamster died, I took the hamster wheel and added magnets to it. I went through so many different angles on the magnets to try and make the wheel spin using a large magnet to bounce off the hamster wheel. I finally, after numerous trys, had the wheel spinning on its own. But this is just an old story. A lot has happened since then. Two years ago I started back piddling around in the garage with high pressured water and different sized pulleys. I hooked up an electric motor, eliminating the water pump and went through so many different dimensions with the belt drive directly to the generator and I found out that using a shaft with pulleys gave me the best results. At this time, I asked an old friend of mine who rebuilds generators and motors if he would help me out and he brought some friends with him and we all came up with what we have today. This video was made last summer and many changes have been made since that time. The generator is now back over at the shop and it's being rebuilt. I've also added a lot more paddles to the wheel. I can't say much more because my partner is the generator guy. I'm going over to his house in about five minutes to give him a hand. Again, thanks for everyone's input. I'll print all of this and take it with me tonight and show it to my partner but he seems to know what the problem is. I'll get back to everyone when the generator is back here in the machine and it's working - hopefully, this weekend.
James
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 14, 2008, 04:25:29 PM
I finally, after numerous trys, had the wheel spinning on its own.
James
Ok that should make everyone stand up from their chairs :D
Can you tell us what was the setup and where is this wheel now ?
(I hope you did not trash it just like all other PM inventors in past)
Yeah ....
Wonder that someone has found out how to "after numerous trys, had the wheel spinning on its own" ... and ... ohh, let it be - this is just an old story.
Just throwed away a certain $1M ... doit :o
And water-powerhouse story becomes more and more complicated, dissimilar to first messages you left.
It does not matter of course,
It changes nothing
Weekend approaches from leeward with cosmic speed ::)
so long,
khabe
JDHardy wrote:
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...I went through so many different angles on the magnets to try and make the wheel spin using a large magnet to bounce off the hamster wheel. I finally, after numerous trys, had the wheel spinning on its own. But this is just an old story. A lot has happened since then...
?!?!?!?
Hmm, such statements are certainly not helping with your credibility....
Quote from: Omega_0 on August 14, 2008, 04:53:12 PM
Ok that should make everyone stand up from their chairs :D
Can you tell us what was the setup and where is this wheel now ?
(I hope you did not trash it just like all other PM inventors in past)
;)
Guys, does he sound too much like Quinn ??? ;)
Its been a month now, and he could not produce a clean video.
I'm not having high hopes at all.
Its sad to see FE field corrupted to such an extent.
Spinner and Omega_O,
I probably should have never brought up things I have done in the past. It is true that I made a magnet wheel ten or twelve years ago. Sorry you don't believe in me but I did it. I have no reason to make up stories on this website. Making the new video, I have truly been having problems and it takes time to solve problems when changes are made. It seems like so many people doubt my credibility because things I do are hard to believe and are against convention beliefs. But everything I say is the truth and I'm getting tired of having to give explanations to people on this website. As I explained in earlier comments, there are a lot more people working on this than me. I was warned not to go on this type of website because of skeptics and nonbelievers. Most of the people pick on anything they can find. I still would like to thank people for all the good comments but I'm really thinking of cancelling my membership on this website. The machine will be getting documented as soon as possible. Likewise, the new video will be out as soon as possible. But I'm finished for now on this website. I will not be back to reply on any comments until the documentation is complete and the video is finished. Good luck all.
James
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 15, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
I probably should have never brought up things I have done in the past. It is true that I made a magnet wheel ten or twelve years ago. Sorry you don't believe in me but I did it.
Ya, you should have kept quiet. Too late.
The obvious question to ask is, if you had an OU machine decades ago, what caused you to withhold it from everyone and build this water pump thing instead ?
A working magnet wheel is far superior than this water wheel. You could have changed the world and we would have worshiped you as GOD .... is that not enough for motivation ? LOL
Well like others you are running away with tail between your legs, when confronted with questions. This is enough to show what you are.
Ya, never ever come to this site, you should join a cult site, not a site where people can think and demand evidence.
Well, guys, the bottom line is, he will never deliver and he will keep it delaying until he has sufficient $$$ in his pocket, after that we will never see him.
OK GUYS
leave the man alone. Give him time to get the work done. When you work all week and the only time to work on the project is weekends it takes time. So far James has done nothing wrong just because he did not answer your questions like you want does not make him a fake. BACK OFF give the man some time.
GOD BLESS to all
wer
@spinner
Had some deep meditation about pelton turbines ;-))))
The ones I know are of the extreme heavy style with
huge mass huge inertia _AND_ they are almost directly
coupled to _heavy_ generators.
This is the reason why any oscillation of torque is
absolutely wasted energy. It sucks the power back
from the inertia of the system _wasted_.
What we have here is a super-lightweigth (compared to
the other elements, involved kinetic energy) wheel with
almost no inertia tribute to the system.
Because it is coupled with a belt to the generator - which
is capable of storing lots of inertia(the gen) - if I see the pretty long
acceleration phase - and the long rundown time.
The relatively elastic belt can store / release the input
energy in a way that the resulting efficiency is still high.
JD meant that the pulley drive is some feature which
had a high tribute to the performance of the system.
This is the reason why I still claim - that under this
circumstances - even such "infficient" "looking" stuff
can gain high efficiency. (as long as the involved components
match)
If you look at the internas of the pump and notice the
almost _ instantly on_ behaviour (on the testrun) - as well
as the same on unplugging the pump (at the end of the video)
there is pretty no inertia with the pump.
The powerconsumption/efficiency of the pump depends on
the rpm/vs flow. This relation is negative as you see in the datasheet.
rpm constant, high flow, high load, rpm constant, low flow (height to lift),
low power consumption.
If the voltage of the generator would drop slightly, the rpms of the pump
would go down immediatly (no inertia) - the rpm/vs flow would change
in the direction of more efficiency, higher load (from pump view) and would
finally give more ouput. In this case the pump has some effect we would
call negative resistance in EE. BTW, more energy is sucked from the
generator witch is immediatly feed by the belt and the pulley with
some energy back.
In the video the speed locks quite stable for some time - but if the efficiency
is higher than you expect - this system can have a very long rundown
time.
rgds.
Hello Ffritz
Your seeing in the right direction. The jerking of the spoons add to the rotation with stored energy in the mowing water.
The sam applies to a steady pull on a chain runs for ever( till it breaks) :D But if you jerk the chain as it pulls then it will pull harder but the energy that is thansferd to the chain will cause the chain to break prematurly.
The Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator also used jerking belts on his flywheels to help deliver the extria energy needed for his system to work.
Ok group open mind think out side the box. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 15, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
Spinner and Omega_O,
I probably should have never brought up things I have done in the past. It is true that I made a magnet wheel ten or twelve years ago. Sorry you don't believe in me but I did it. I have no reason to make up stories on this website.
OK, I'd like to believe you... But you have to understand that the world is literally filled with similar claims, and somehow not even one of them came into fruition... You must understand that a skepticism is a natural response (nothing personal)...
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Making the new video, I have truly been having problems and it takes time to solve problems when changes are made. It seems like so many people doubt my credibility because things I do are hard to believe and are against convention beliefs. But everything I say is the truth and I'm getting tired of having to give explanations to people on this website. As I explained in earlier comments, there are a lot more people working on this than me. I was warned not to go on this type of website because of skeptics and nonbelievers. Most of the people pick on anything they can find...
Hold on... I (or most of us) can understand that you may have problems with improved replication... No problems with that. Your posts made so far are showing that you're (probably) a sincere pearson, and you are convinced that you "have the real thing"... Nothing wrong with that, too...
It's good that you have a professional help (from the people you can trust). Don't you worry about the conventional science/beliefs - if you have what you think you have, I'm sure that even the "blind orthodox science"
will realise that sooner than you may expect...
Btw, if you decided to show your work in the public (like on this OU site), you should expect a mixed emotions replies... If you strongly believe that you "have it", than not even one of the "negative" posts should disturb your work...
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I still would like to thank people for all the good comments but I'm really thinking of cancelling my membership on this website. The machine will be getting documented as soon as possible. Likewise, the new video will be out as soon as possible. But I'm finished for now on this website. I will not be back to reply on any comments until the documentation is complete and the video is finished. Good luck all.
James
Why would you cancel your membership here? I can understand that you are very busy, or even that you may be angry because of some skeptics comments (like mine)...
But you have promissed that you will show us a new video of your device, and that you'll provide more data (complete documentation?)... Yes or no?
Please, don't make the same mistake as hundreds of people made before you....
Cheers!
Don't overlook the flywheel in that vid.
that's why he can have time to switch the plug.
Bigger flywheel = more time to switch the plug and smoother operation but you pay for that with more energy initially to get the system up and running.
The choppiness seems to coincide with each paddle wheel passing the water stream... there must be a smoother setup for that.
Quote from: fritz on August 15, 2008, 06:32:19 PM
@spinner
Had some deep meditation about pelton turbines ;-))))
The ones I know are of the extreme heavy style with huge mass huge inertia _AND_ they are almost directly coupled to _heavy_ generators.
This is the reason why any oscillation of torque is absolutely wasted energy. It sucks the power back from the inertia of the system _wasted_.
What we have here is a super-lightweigth (compared to the other elements, involved kinetic energy) wheel with almost no inertia tribute to the system.
Because it is coupled with a belt to the generator - which is capable of storing lots of inertia(the gen) - if I see the pretty long acceleration phase - and the long rundown time.
The relatively elastic belt can store / release the input energy in a way that the resulting efficiency is still high.
JD meant that the pulley drive is some feature which had a high tribute to the performance of the system.
This is the reason why I still claim - that under this circumstances - even such "infficient" "looking" stuff can gain high efficiency. (as long as the involved components match)
If you look at the internas of the pump and notice the almost _ instantly on_ behaviour (on the testrun) - as well as the same on unplugging the pump (at the end of the video) there is pretty no inertia with the pump.
The powerconsumption/efficiency of the pump depends on the rpm/vs flow. This relation is negative as you see in the datasheet. rpm constant, high flow, high load, rpm constant, low flow (height to lift), low power consumption.
If the voltage of the generator would drop slightly, the rpms of the pump would go down immediatly (no inertia) - the rpm/vs flow would change
in the direction of more efficiency, higher load (from pump view) and would finally give more ouput. In this case the pump has some effect we would
call negative resistance in EE. BTW, more energy is sucked from the generator witch is immediatly feed by the belt and the pulley with some energy back.
In the video the speed locks quite stable for some time - but if the efficiency is higher than you expect - this system can have a very long rundown time.
rgds.
Hey, Fritz! Interesting thoughts, for sure! Hmm, maybe..?...
Although I don't think it is the case. I think there's no intermittent or turbulence actions, no resonance or elastic belt oscillations, no "negative resistance" parallels... And no "FE". ..
Sorry!
Of course, this is just IMHO... I'd like to be proved wrong, believe me!
Btw, do we have any replications yet? The setup is rather simple, made of common parts. It shouldn't be hard to do ...?
Cheers!
@spinner
Maybe you didn?t get the point....
1)
I meant that a pelton only needs to be a pelton
if its heavy like a pelton, has lots of inertia and/or
is directly coupled to a generator with lots of inertia.
2)
Because of 1) - a lightweight paddle wheel which is
coupled via a lossless spring system too a fat inertia
can be high efficient - because the (potential) losses
due to torque/speed oscillations(because of less paddles than in pelton scenario)
are backed up in the spring and released to the generator.
(ok its a belt here - not a spring)
Because of the dominating kinetic energy of the water, the
oscillation of the paddlewheel(inertia) is quite low, rest is stored
in the spring and released.
3)
This pump type works with constant rpm - with constant
voltage. If the voltage changes - rpm changes.
The current it sucks depends on the relation rpm vs. flow.
For high flow == high current. lo flow - low current.
If you have medium flow x with nominal rpm, nominal voltage
and medium pump current - and reduce nominal voltage to V1,
you have lower rpm R1, but improved rpm vs. flow. This means
that current I1 will be reduced to V1 because of ohms law,
- but because of the improved
rpm vs. flow - the pump has another setpoint - means the current drop
will be less or in an extreme case negative.
This would look like the resistance of the pump goes down with
decreasing voltage (which is in fact no negative resistance - just used
the wrong words) but is caused
due to the shifted operating point of the pump.
4.)Because of all those issues and high inertia involved - I expect
a non OU with very long rundown time.
So from my point of view - there is no glimpse of strange or hypothetic
operation. Just very matched components.
(The behaviour of the pump is well documented by the datasheet,
and the stuff with the paddlewheel sounds pretty logical).
anyway.
Has anyone here looked at the capacitor setup. What I see is two dual electrolytic capacitors. What I see is one wire coming out of the generator going to the + side of the first capacitor and the minus side of the first cap going to the minus of the second capacitor and exiting from the + side of the second cap into the wire that goes to the plug receptacle. The other wire from the generator to the plug receptacle, has the same hookup??? It used to be a common practice to use electrolytic capacitors in a AC circuit with this hookup. I admit I let my imagination run a bit but you really can't see the hookup on the lower wire and it does look like these are dual electrolytic so I am making some assumptions. This is how hendershot used his capacitors in a AC circuit. I would like some input from anyone here with their thoughts on this. Also if these are motor run capacitors why are they in series and has anyone seen this done before. Normally capacitors are used in a generator/alternator to regulate voltage. This is not the case here.
If this is hooked up the way I think, does it tune the generator? Or the motor? Or both?
thanks
Next question(S). What size is the orifice that the water comes out of?? My guess is .75 to 1".
Is the orifice a Venturi??
It looks to me like the Paddle is 14" in diameter and the large pulley with the belt is 18". Anyone have an opinion or better yet a way to figure this out with measurements of ???
Since we already have a reference of 18" for the large pulley can these measurements be determined from the video???
James: Do you know what the working principle of your device is?
Quote from: 666666 on August 18, 2008, 11:28:06 PM
Has anyone here looked at the capacitor setup. What I see is two dual electrolytic capacitors. What I see is one wire coming out of the generator going to the + side of the first capacitor and the minus side of the first cap going to the minus of the second capacitor and exiting from the + side of the second cap into the wire that goes to the plug receptacle. The other wire from the generator to the plug receptacle, has the same hookup??? It used to be a common practice to use electrolytic capacitors in a AC circuit with this hookup. I admit I let my imagination run a bit but you really can't see the hookup on the lower wire and it does look like these are dual electrolytic so I am making some assumptions. This is how hendershot used his capacitors in a AC circuit. I would like some input from anyone here with their thoughts on this. Also if these are motor run capacitors why are they in series and has anyone seen this done before. Normally capacitors are used in a generator/alternator to regulate voltage. This is not the case here.
If this is hooked up the way I think, does it tune the generator? Or the motor? Or both?
thanks
I think that there is even a bridge rectifier below the lamp.
My idea was that this is "self excited" AC generator - with rotor field build up by dc coil,
rectifier is used to get the rotor field, and the capacitors help to even that out.
Capacitors don?t regulate voltage - they are passive - not active components.
They can be used to store charge, buffer energy in times of overflow and release
them if needed. In case of asynchronous AC motors they are used to delay one
phase of the motor (if not using 3 phase motor) to help start up and to give direction.
A powersupply with rectifier and capacitor is called "unregulated" power supply.
rgds
Look at the video in high resolution full screen and use the stop button. There are only two wires going to the plug receptacle. Capacitors "are" used for voltage regulation just Google it. "BUT" NOT in this case. Capacitors can be used for impedance matching. This is an elementry project for beginning electronic students where a 60cps power supply is put in series with an inductor in series with a capacitor in series with a lightbulb. When L, C, and R, are matched the light will light to full brightness the same as if there was no L no C and no R in the circuit. I did this 30 years or so ago. If I remember right I made a variable inductor 1/4 henry in series with 22 Microfarad in series with a lightbulb. To tune just slide the [core] of the inductor in and out of the inductor. I used a three inch PVC pipe wrapped with 1000 turns of 15 gauge magnet wire and a silicon steel laminate core. By sliding the core in and out, the light could be adjusted from no brightness to full brightness.
Because the Capacitors are in series, Generator to caps to Motor, It appears that the caps are used for impedance matching. I think to do this properly the generator would have to be rewound or an adjustable inductor would have to be placed in series with at least one of the capacitors for best results.
Quote from: 666666 on August 19, 2008, 11:17:46 AM
Look at the video in high resolution full screen and use the stop button. There are only two wires going to the plug receptacle. Capacitors "are" used for voltage regulation just Google it. "BUT" NOT in this case. Capacitors can be used for impedance matching. This is an elementry project for beginning electronic students where a 60cps power supply is put in series with an inductor in series with a capacitor in series with a lightbulb. When L, C, and R, are matched the light will light to full brightness the same as if there was no L no C and no R in the circuit. I did this 30 years or so ago. If I remember right I made a variable inductor 1/4 henry in series with 22 Microfarad in series with a lightbulb. To tune just slide the [core] of the inductor in and out of the inductor. I used a three inch PVC pipe wrapped with 1000 turns of 15 gauge magnet wire and a silicon steel laminate core. By sliding the core in and out, the light could be adjusted from no brightness to full brightness.
Because the Capacitors are in series, Generator to caps to Motor, It appears that the caps are used for impedance matching. I think to do this properly the generator would have to be rewound or an adjustable inductor would have to be placed in series with at least one of the capacitors for best results.
What I can see in the picture is that 2 cables comming from socket and lamp -
than there is a connection on one wire with a fuse or something, on the other wire
there is a wedge (right word ?) - one wire disappears at this point somewhere beyond
the cap, the other one goes to the right cap - than in series with the other cap - than
goes to the strange thing behind the lamp, top of left end of generator.
For me its even unclear if the stuff not might operate with DC. The type of motor
used in the pump could even work with dc. At the beginning, only the pump is operated
with mains, than he plugs pump in the "output" of the gen.
What concerns the regulation -
You can control and steer things - in that case you adjust or tune something.
If your regulate something - there is a control loop with an actual value,
desired value and correcting value.
Capacitors might be part of a control loop setup - as integrator in an PI regulator
for example.
(....) I think we just use different words for the same.
rgds.
Quick quiz:
I'm leaving in about 15 minutes to go over to my friend's workshop to look what he is using for wire to rewind. We used a very thin wire and I'm pretty sure that he wrapped 550 times in each phase. He wants to use a thicker wire, with the same amount of wraps for more power. The question I have to this website, before I leave - what is your opinion on gauge of wire vs. clockwise, then counter clockwise and how many wraps per phase? I don't know a lot about generators - I'm a pump and pulley man. That's about it. Please have an open mind and give me some info I can use to bring to my partner so we can get this rewound and back up running as soon as possible. The thinner gauge wire for some reason burned out. That's as much as I know.
Whoever has an idea and have rewound a generator before, please give me your feedback before I leave, and it might help. Don't forget that there is a lot more work that has been done to the generator and then rewound. Maybe I shouldn't ask for help from any website but, I never know.
James
HI James,
depends on how much empty space you have on your generator..
But I guess 200 Windings EACH with at least 3 millimeter wiresize diameter
should be okay to run your pump
mmmmhhhhhh.....
thinner wire == higher resistance == more heat ==more space
->
thinner wire / more turns == higher voltage == more pump rpm== even more heat
thicker wire == lower resistance == less heat == less space for turns
->
thicker wire / less turns == lower voltage == less pump rpm == lower heat
Hi !
Normally there would be kind of stabilizer/regulator in such setup which controls
the current of the rotor (like the regulator in a car generator).
If the output voltage is too high (means also output current high) - such regulator
would "chop"=="reduce" the rotorcurrent== rotorfield to protect the system.
If you don?t have such thing in your setup - I would try to do the same amount
of turns with thickest wire possible. Any change in turns changes the output
voltage == pump rpm/power.
What concerns CW/CCW - I would stick to the proven orientations ;.)))
rgds.
James: It would help if you could give any details that you know about the generator. For instance with a capacitor regulated generator, it is easy to raise the output voltage by just adding a larger Microfarad capacitor until the desired output voltage is reached. I assume this is what you are trying to do. However It appears that your generator is self excited so I will have to agree with Fritz on that one. It appears to me that your generator builder is a "cut above" most most motor re-winders. I would have to say that the generator is wound with finer wire to increase voltage and the capacitors are in series with the output to impedance match the system so that the High resistance in the fine wires "DISSAPEARS". If this is the case and I am quite sure it is you might be able to solve the problem by using a capacitor decade box to tune the capacitors to the inductors "better". I could easily tell you exactly how to do this if you could tell me the existing Microfarad rating of the existing capacitors. Are the capacitors dual electrolytic caps in series? If this is the case it is imperative that you hook them up plus minus minus plus in series so they can work in a ac circuit, otherwise they can/will explode. The reason you would use electrolytic in this manner is they pack a lot of capacity in a small package and can work in a ac circuit even though this is not what they are designed to do. If you wire the generator with less windings and your generator technician already impedance matched it, you will have to re tune it after winding. If you need to know how to do this let me know and I will try to run you through the basic process and make it as simple as I can.
Remember that impedance matching should reduce heating in your windings "AND" increase output voltage and amperage. I am assuming this is your goal. I would also suggest that you test your capacitors on a good capacitor checker. You will have to find a good electronics engineer to do this because a good checker costs well over 8000 dollars. I can tell you a simple way to do this yourself if you are interested.
YOUR TURN
@ James:
Look. You are here on a public forum that is frequented by a lot of really intelligent, dedicated researchers and experimenters. Unfortunately, not everyone here has the same goal in mind. Some just like to rip into people because they themselves did not, or could not, come up with anything new.
Please don't let one or two folks here stop you from posting on this forum. Most of us "want" to learn about energy and different ways to create and utilize it. Please ignore the rest and stay until we can all together determine what exactly you have going on here. You will find a lot of smart guys that can help you, and you can help us. We are all in this together and, if you indeed found some breakthrough method with your device, we are all ears.
Put it this way, you could be the Wright brothers back at the turn of the century and post here that you found a method of flight. A lot of us would be excited and helpful, still, some would say..."no way, you faked the flight". I am sorry that this is the way it is. Just read the posts from helpful folks and ignore the rest, and keep us in the loop. I am sure there are a lot of folks on here that agree with me. If you discovered some anomaly with generators, and caps, and water pumps, we need to know about it and go from there. I hope you remain with us. Thanks.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 19, 2008, 10:58:32 PM
@ James:
Look. You are here on a public forum that is frequented by a lot of really intelligent, dedicated researchers and experimenters. Unfortunately, not everyone here has the same goal in mind. Some just like to rip into people because they themselves did not, or could not, come up with anything new.
Please don't let one or two folks here stop you from posting on this forum. Most of us "want" to learn about energy and different ways to create and utilize it. Please ignore the rest and stay until we can all together determine what exactly you have going on here. You will find a lot of smart guys that can help you, and you can help us. We are all in this together and, if you indeed found some breakthrough method with your device, we are all ears.
Put it this way, you could be the Wright brothers back at the turn of the century and post here that you found a method of flight. A lot of us would be excited and helpful, still, some would say..."no way, you faked the flight". I am sorry that this is the way it is. Just read the posts from helpful folks and ignore the rest, and keep us in the loop. I am sure there are a lot of folks on here that agree with me. If you discovered some anomaly with generators, and caps, and water pumps, we need to know about it and go from there. I hope you remain with us. Thanks.
Bill
I agree..
Jason
Hi all,
Critique is good up to a point. It is not trying to prove that you are right and the other wrong to a dead end.
State your facts and if the target doesn't like it, do not pursue to no end. The experimenter has to stay focused.
If he wants to share his experiments or only part of it, great but don't pry. We have to work together on this if we are to succeed. I use the critics to refocus, then I ignore those if the are in only for bickering.
Take care,
Michel
Fritz: I watched James's video again and this is what I saw. Starting at the plug receptacle that is mounted on the plywood and where the lightbulb is plugged in, I see a black plug that appears to be cut off an extension cord or other appliance. Where it is cut off there is a pigtail, or "two wires coming out at the end of the extension cord". These two wires each have what we call here in the US wire nuts. These are just screw on connectors to hook two wires together. These wire nuts have been partially wrapped with black electricians tape. One of these wires go to the top receptacle of the capacitor nearest the front of the generator exits at the opposite side of the capacitor and goes in series back to the top receptacle of the capacitor nearest the back of the generator and exits out of opposite end of that capacitor nearest the back of the generator and goes into the generator to the generator windings. The opposite wire exits at the wire nut and goes to the capacitor nearest the front of the generator. If you look closely you can see the connector just below the top wire on the capacitor where it hooks up. This goes in parallel with the top wire back through the capacitors which are wired in series and goes into the back end of the generator. This is in parallel with the top wire. The lower wire cannot be seen under the top wire going back into the generator, that is either because it was purposely removed to hide it for the video or was so close in parallel that it is hidden by the top wire. The capacitors must be dual capacitors or two capacitors in each can.
As for the switch at the back of the generator. I would guess it is all of the below.
1. Where the wires are attached to, like a buss strip or barrier strip:
2. Diode assembly for the excitation of the rotor.
3. regulator.
4. and also possibly a centrifugal type relay switch that turns the generator on after it reaches the proper RPM to generate and turns if off when the RPM is to slow to generator without damage to the load, this would explain the sudden shut off when the device is shut off.
ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE WELCOME.
Definition of a Buss strip or Barrier strip. This is simply where two or more wires are hooked together on a neat bakelite or nylon connector that is fastened down to a solid surface to keep things neat and tidy. It has screws to tighten up and lock the wires in place.
666666:
I ended up not going over to my partner's workshop last night - he was too busy finishing up a job. So I am going over tonight. It is 4:40 EDT and I'll be leaving in about half an hour. I called him last night and spoke with him about asking people on websites for info. He told me not to bother, that everything will be okay but I disagreed and told him that everyones' opinion, findings or any feedback could be a good thing. He's bringing two friends over to his shop to give some feedback on the windings tonight. Let's not worry about capacitors at this time. The machine was made up to run with a battery and 12V pump. This is why some wires are cut off and moved around the box. The project we will be working on tonight is the windings. That's the info I'm looking for as it would be the most help right now. I've only rebuilt a few generators and motors and have learned the following: the more windings you put on, the more voltage you get, the less windings you have, then the less voltage you have. The thinner the gauge, the less current you are going to get. The thicker the gauge, the more current you are going to get. There is a mathematical formula to working out the balancing. Anticlockwise vs. clockwise. It is important to know where to start the 1st phase and where the end of the phase is. That's a little I know about rewinding. I am looking for any information that anyone might have.
Thank you,
James
Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 19, 2008, 10:58:32 PM
@ James:
Look. You are here on a public forum that is frequented by a lot of really intelligent, dedicated researchers and experimenters. Unfortunately, not everyone here has the same goal in mind. Some just like to rip into people because they themselves did not, or could not, come up with anything new.
Please don't let one or two folks here stop you from posting on this forum. Most of us "want" to learn about energy and different ways to create and utilize it. Please ignore the rest and stay until we can all together determine what exactly you have going on here. You will find a lot of smart guys that can help you, and you can help us. We are all in this together and, if you indeed found some breakthrough method with your device, we are all ears.
Put it this way, you could be the Wright brothers back at the turn of the century and post here that you found a method of flight. A lot of us would be excited and helpful, still, some would say..."no way, you faked the flight". I am sorry that this is the way it is. Just read the posts from helpful folks and ignore the rest, and keep us in the loop. I am sure there are a lot of folks on here that agree with me. If you discovered some anomaly with generators, and caps, and water pumps, we need to know about it and go from there. I hope you remain with us. Thanks.
Bill
Hmm, Pirate88179, could you be more specific? I'd like to explain a few things, starting with the Wright brothers "history"....
If you're pointing on people like Khabe,.. or me, please, just say so...
OK?
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 20, 2008, 04:40:13 PM
666666:
I ended up not going over to my partner's workshop last night - he was too busy finishing up a job. So I am going over tonight. It is 4:40 EDT and I'll be leaving in about half an hour. I called him last night and spoke with him about asking people on websites for info. He told me not to bother, that everything will be okay but I disagreed and told him that everyones' opinion, findings or any feedback could be a good thing. He's bringing two friends over to his shop to give some feedback on the windings tonight. Let's not worry about capacitors at this time. The machine was made up to run with a battery and 12V pump. This is why some wires are cut off and moved around the box. The project we will be working on tonight is the windings. That's the info I'm looking for as it would be the most help right now. I've only rebuilt a few generators and motors and have learned the following: the more windings you put on, the more voltage you get, the less windings you have, then the less voltage you have. The thinner the gauge, the less current you are going to get. The thicker the gauge, the more current you are going to get. There is a mathematical formula to working out the balancing. Anticlockwise vs. clockwise. It is important to know where to start the 1st phase and where the end of the phase is. That's a little I know about rewinding. I am looking for any information that anyone might have.
Thank you,
James
Hi !
The minimum wire gauge should be around AWG 16, thats somewhat useful
for 10 Amps / 1000 W, even with that you should operate only for some minutes,
then let it cool down.
To be on the save side - AWG 13 would be ideal - but I think that with this gauge,
the number of turns wont fit.
Whats about this generator - has it brushes at the end to supply the rotor ?
Is there a rectifier for the rotor coil ?
If you have such a rotor - using kind of circuit to limit the current there would
protect the generator - and help you to stay with AWG16 or 17.
This could be an adjustable power resistor (which would waste energy) or
kind of chopper setup with free wheeling diode.
@666...
I agree with your analysis, what concerns the way it shuts off -
I think this is because the way how the rotorfield gets excited,
On a asynchronous machine - the lamp should show a steady dim....
rgds.
You could reduce the number of turns by a third (but dont blame me
if it doesnt work afterwards ...)
It really depends on the "setpoint" of that setup.
@ Spinner:
If I were "pointing" at you, or someone, believe me, I would have said so. I wasn't so I didn't. I was offering some words of encouragement to James is all. Anyone that does not like that, or understand that, can go F*ck themselves. I really don't care.
Bill
@JDHardy54
Whatever changes you come up with I hope you never change the generator that worked in any way.
That should always be kept as a reference point, you may never get another one to work if you do.
If you can modify another generator to work as well or better then the one you have then you have made history.
Many have built freak devices that did unexplainable things, but they never seem to be able to duplicate the device.
So if you can get another one built then call together members of the scientific community and blow them all away.
@ AbbaRue:
That is good advice. Well said.
Bill
Something unclear up till today?
For me the only thing whats unclear - why JDHardy54 did it and continually does ... and why so many captivated,
HOW ITS POSSIBLE ???
OverUnity - good site! Why to crap, why to lie?
Not critique is what is killing this site - lying does !!!!!!!!
Generator not good, pump is not good ... what else?
Now decided DC, but how you kept frequence, voltage, current before ::)
Now you trying what - motor-generator overunity ???
But you have not even faintest idea about motors and generators :-\
Im sorry,
khabe
Quote from: khabe on August 22, 2008, 04:55:56 AM
Something unclear up till today?
For me the only thing whats unclear - why JDHardy54 did it and continually does ... and why so many captivated,
HOW ITS POSSIBLE ???
OverUnity - good site! Why to crap, why to lie?
Not critique is what is killing this site - lying does !!!!!!!!
Generator not good, pump is not good ... what else?
Now decided DC, but how you kept frequence, voltage, current before ::)
Now you trying what - motor-generator overunity ???
But you have not even faintest idea about motors and generators :-\
Im sorry,
khabe
You are kindly invited to start an interesting thread or
present your mindbuggling inventions.
Build some SEC exciters or blow up your shower
cabin with a modified spark plug.
Don?t forget the new aproaches in Pyramid Energy
conversion...
Or write an faq for a topic whats interesting and you
feel competent.
rgds.
Quote from: khabe on August 22, 2008, 04:55:56 AM
Something unclear up till today?
For me the only thing whats unclear - why JDHardy54 did it and continually does ... and why so many captivated,
HOW ITS POSSIBLE ???
OverUnity - good site! Why to crap, why to lie?
Not critique is what is killing this site - lying does !!!!!!!!
Generator not good, pump is not good ... what else?
Now decided DC, but how you kept frequence, voltage, current before ::)
Now you trying what - motor-generator overunity ???
But you have not even faintest idea about motors and generators :-\
Im sorry,
khabe
Khabe and Spinner,
Come on guys. All your comments are being made to me and other people on this website.Why don't you two just bow out of this website so the rest of us can work together as a team. I don't want or need anymore of your comments - and I am sure others would be happy too. Why stay on this site if it's something you don't believe in? I'm sure you can find other constructive things to do. By the way, I printed off everything from this website and showed your comments to my colleagues who are very experienced in the fields of electronics and engineering. They seem to think that you two are off base quite a bit on your calculations and your comments. I don't want to get into a pissing match with you guys. All I asked in my last posting was an opinion on rewinding a generator and I guess that your answer was that I was a liar and that I don't know anything about motors and generators. Do not give me anymore of your opinions or feedback please. If you feel compelled to do so, I won't bother reading your crap (to use your word).
James
Quote from: JDHardy54 on August 22, 2008, 01:14:36 PM
Khabe and Spinner,
Come on guys. All your comments are being made to me and other people on this website.Why don't you two just bow out of this website so the rest of us can work together as a team. I don't want or need anymore of your comments - and I am sure others would be happy too. Why stay on this site if it's something you don't believe in? I'm sure you can find other constructive things to do. By the way, I printed off everything from this website and showed your comments to my colleagues who are very experienced in the fields of electronics and engineering. They seem to think that you two are off base quite a bit on your calculations and your comments. I don't want to get into a pissing match with you guys. All I asked in my last posting was an opinion on rewinding a generator and I guess that your answer was that I was a liar and that I don't know anything about motors and generators. Do not give me anymore of your opinions or feedback please. If you feel compelled to do so, I won't bother reading your crap (to use your word).
James
... just ignore them ...
I do it this way: If there is a suspicious posting - I pick only one word per line,
this is enough to decide if its worth reading.
Quote from: JDHardy54 on July 20, 2008, 03:40:24 PM
I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees. There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments. Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails.
Sincerely,
James Hardy
:o
Quote from: khabe on August 22, 2008, 03:07:55 PM
:o
Believe it or not, I've been very busy. Today was the first day that I tested the machine since we have made changes. I have added more paddles to the wheel and I put the machine up on caster wheels. I put it in the front of the garage and did a test run. I just emailed my partner - the problem that I am having is that I am only getting about (300watts) and I can not change over to generator power at that time. I don't know what I have done wrong, besides adding triple the paddles. I was looking forward to making the new video today. I'm waiting for my partner to get back to me and for him to get over here - it could be something that is very simple. Just wanted to give you an update and we'll be getting to you all soon
khabi,
This was posted back on August 12th. You are pulling up something from July 20th. I told you in the last email that I did not want to hash back and forth about childless issues. I'm just wondering how old you are. I shouldn't have to explain anything to you anymore. I can't believe I am even responding to you now. Things do happen in life and some things take longer than expected.Think about this khabi - why would I waste time to build a prototype, make a video, hire a Patent Attorney, involve electricians and engineers and put it on the internet if I wasn't serious about this machine. I asked you to bow out, but it seems you have nothing better to do. I have gotten emails from people from this website telling me that all you two do is criticize peoples' ideas on this and other websites. Goodbye and good luck.
James
Main question is - was your first video just a trick, and you just believed that this kind of overunity is possible? Now you are trying to do it in reality but ... khm...khm ...
You posted Jul 20 (!!!)
"I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees. There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments. Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails."
Very simple - just new video - "there are no hidden wires or compartments" ...................... Unfortunately not seen,
You claimed your video is truth,
You had one month to tell that it was not ... was just a "little bid" assisted model of daydream-machine ...
khabe,
55
Maybe this will help:
I usually test my purported FE devices in the closed loop mode with external power applied and then throttle back current (not voltage) to the machine until it just stops running. The current required to keep it running tells me what the losses in the system are. If it keeps running when external current supplied goes to zero, I have a winner, no changeover switch required.
This eliminates the need for fancy switchover schemes, although if JDHardy would just use a transfer switch, he would be headed in the right direction.
It also allows you to adjust the system close to the edge to make minor adjustments to improve efficiency.
I dont know if JDHardys generator will also run as a motor (most AC and DC machines will), but if I were doing this type of experiment, I would try the method outlined above.
He could use a bank of parallel lamps from the line to the machine, get the machine up and running, and switch off lamps one at a time. This would be a crude but effective current source. Naturally his pulley ratios would have to be worked close to mains frequency to allow lock-on.
Since the generator is initially driven as a motor, the system will come up to speed faster
There are variations on this theme, e.g. with a few more switches, the lamp bank can be disconnected from the mains and transferred across the system and now would function as a load bank to test OU power output capability (assuming a self runner).
Regards..HD
Quote from: khabe on August 22, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
Main question is - was your first video just a trick, and you just believed that this kind of overunity is possible? Now you are trying to do it in reality but ... khm...khm ...
You posted Jul 20 (!!!)
"I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees. There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments. Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails."
Very simple - just new video - "there are no hidden wires or compartments" ...................... Unfortunately not seen,
You claimed your video is truth,
You had one month to tell that it was not ... was just a "little bid" assisted model of daydream-machine ...
khabe,
55
You had a month to say anything useful.
Even if I click on the other posts you did the last month on other threads ...
98% a pain.
Maybe you just want to be loved - and don?t get that
in real life. This is why you pile up agression - so you dump your frustration
and lack of self - confidence here.
You want to hurt - because other hurt you.
I didn?t hurt you, James didn?t hurt you, we just complain
that we are sick of reading your mail.
Every day at the same time - dumping your frustration.
make a change. let love in.
@ James:
As I suggested before, don't waste your time and energy on these few people. (No names mentioned but you know who you are) Please continue to post here and update the 99% of the decent folks here that want and hope for you to succeed. Please count me as one of them.
By posting here you open yourself up to criticism, but you also open yourself up to many folks that are experts in various fields and will share information in a constructive manner. Most of us here on on your side. Ignore the rest. They will get bored eventually and go away.
Bill
WATER MACHINE 1620
Water flowing down turns an pump which transports the water back up. There are many variants of this idea:
a electric motor which turns a generator whose electricity is used to power the motor.
In all of these ideas, there is a twist like some kind of gear or change of voltage which confuses a naive observer.
Dont get your back up, Fritz and few else whippersnappers >:(
Chill out, relax ... jerk off and then sleep it off,
see again when next moviegoing :o
khabe
Quote from: khabe on August 23, 2008, 08:43:30 AM
WATER MACHINE 1620
Water flowing down turns an pump which transports the water back up. There are many variants of this idea:
a electric motor which turns a generator whose electricity is used to power the motor.
In all of these ideas, there is a twist like some kind of gear or change of voltage which confuses a naive observer.
Dont get your back up, Fritz and few else whippersnappers >:(
Chill out, relax ... jerk off and then sleep it off,
see again when next moviegoing :o
khabe
Lol, the futility of such arrangements (self driven, "perpetual" watermills, or self-blown windmils...) is best shown with Robert Fludd's contraption from the 17th century! Just follow the turning directions of all the spinning parts, and you'll understand...
I see a skeptical view is not very welcomed here... Don't worry, you just have to provide a
decent proof and you'll win.
So far, we've seen a video (jeez... that must be a proof...) and we heard a few unbelievable claims from the inventor himself... Beside the perpetual motion claimed for the setup, we heard that the inventor discovered a permanent magnet perpetual motor a few years ago, but (for some unknown reason) it never saw a public release... ?!?!
Not a single (fair!) question was answered...
Not a shred of a proof provided...
There is no qualified measurements...
Inventor doesn't know much about the physics...
He already gathered a circle of true believers...
...Which are experts for "paranormal" and "OU" things...
...and they advise him not to listen to skeptical garbage...
..JD, naturally, agrees with it and demands from some of us to go away...
Priceless!
I suggest you to hurry up with your modified setup, JD. Otherwise you may end like a thousands of people, who had similar ideas before you....
You should invite your partners/experts to explain a few things here... A good discussion, why not?
Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 22, 2008, 11:28:02 PM
@ James:
As I suggested before, don't waste your time and energy on these few people. (No names mentioned but you know who you are) Please continue to post here and update the 99% of the decent folks here that want and hope for you to succeed. Please count me as one of them.
By posting here you open yourself up to criticism, but you also open yourself up to many folks that are experts in various fields and will share information in a constructive manner. Most of us here on on your side. Ignore the rest. They will get bored eventually and go away.
Bill
;D
You should continue to make fun with the 'ole Lawrence... That's the thing you do best.
James, did you change something seemingly inconsequential?
Perhaps you changed the layout of the external circuit relative to the generator?
Clearly the water part is going to be under unity, except for the possibility of a jerking flywheel effect which has been implicated in OU before, could too many paddles have smoothed it out too much?
Please don't overlook the correlation of energy being generated in the external circuit.
"You should continue to make fun with the 'ole Lawrence... That's the thing you do best." (Posted on: August 24, 2008, 05:04:41 PM
Posted by: spinner)
@spinner:
Since you obviously don't know me at all, how could you possibly think that you would have any idea what it is that I might do best?
In an attempt to be fair, I checked out a selection of your latest posts on record on this forum and, as I guessed, 99% were sad attempts to demean someone's efforts, or tear down someone's theory. I am wondering what happened to you in your childhood that makes you feel you have to belittle someone else to make you look better to yourself? You "claim" to be an EE yet on the Stiffler topic, you have revealed just how little you really know about electricity in general. You blasted Dr. Stiffler and attempted to ridicule his work such to the point that he does not post there anymore. Nice job. Now I see you are attempting to do the same thing over here.
So, let's see your OU devices then? At least let us see the videos and photos of your OU device experiments? Oh, you don't have any? OK, let's see your energy experiments efforts. None of those either? I figured that since you are such an expert at criticizing others work on here that surely you must have many working devices. I guess all of your time is spent attempting to blast others so you don't have any time left for doing any real work yourself. It is a shame really. You might actually be a smart guy.
Bill
Hi all.
Firstly...the inventor told us "why would I waste time to build a prototype, make a video, hire a Patent Attorney"
If he did that, then he is not going to tell anything here....duh.
Secondly...as a neutral observer, I agree that plenty of time has been given for information to be provided on all aspects of the machine.
As nothing has been provided, there is no choice other than to be skeptical at least.
I think that if you come here with a machine, people have the right to ask for schematics and details and theoretical explanations.
The mention of Patent attorney's defeats the purpose of coming here...none of us should be subjected to endless tid bits of useless information from inventors not willing to openly disclose.
Just what I think.
Scotty...United Pumps Australia
http://www.unitedpumps.com.au/ (http://www.unitedpumps.com.au/)
Quote from: scotty1 on August 25, 2008, 03:21:18 AM
Hi all.
Firstly...the inventor told us "why would I waste time to build a prototype, make a video, hire a Patent Attorney"
If he did that, then he is not going to tell anything here....duh.
Secondly...as a neutral observer, I agree that plenty of time has been given for information to be provided on all aspects of the machine.
As nothing has been provided, there is no choice other than to be skeptical at least.
I think that if you come here with a machine, people have the right to ask for schematics and details and theoretical explanations.
The mention of Patent attorney's defeats the purpose of coming here...none of us should be subjected to endless tid bits of useless information from inventors not willing to openly disclose.
Just what I think.
Scotty...United Pumps Australia
http://www.unitedpumps.com.au/ (http://www.unitedpumps.com.au/)
@ scotty1:
I agree. When you file for a patent and it turns out there has been public disclosure of your idea, your patent will be null and void. I personally believe that the (at least my understanding) principle of open source is just that, open, and in direct conflict with the patent system.
I never blame anyone for being skeptical. I am very much so about most things. I have been through countless magnetic motor topics here with videos on youtube that turned out to be faked. During these little fiascoes, while being skeptical and having many doubts, I attempted to remain civil toward the "inventor" and asked questions about the device and designs. I even attempted replication myself just to prove that it would not, and could not work. I always tried not to accuse the man himself of outright fraud and deception before the facts were in, even though this turned out to be the case in each instance.
I have always admired your work and research on Ed Leedskelnin. I have photos of Coral Castle my Dad took on his visit there and have showed them to many folks who then tell me there was no way one guy could have done all of that. Well, I believe he did even though common sense should tell us it was impossible.
As far as this topic goes, I guess I am trying to keep a somewhat open mind and hope that possibly James did find a special symbiosis when combining existing devices that somehow do what they should not.
When I think of all of the "impossible" devices my father worked on (along with many, many other folks) during his time at Bell Labs, including the transistor, laser, solar cells, wave guides for microwaves, cell phone technology, etc. I remember how many folks said none of those devices could ever be made to work. Well, they do and some supposedly bright physicists had to rethink what they thought they knew about the world.
In summation, I think we should all be skeptical and challenge new ideas and devices and ask for reasonable explanations but not attack the man (or woman) and call them liars and frauds right out of the box as some have done here, and, as it turns out, just about everywhere else they post. This is what I do not agree with.
Thanks
Bill
Spinner,
I understand about other people who have posted in the past and nothing has come out of it. Proof will come very soon. Like I have said earlier in my emails, the generator is being worked on at the shop. Things do take longer than expected. I'm not trying to make excuses - that is just the way life is. The generator has only been in the shop a week. We can only do work on it after work or weekends. About my partner answering questions on this website, or to any website - he does not believe in these kind of websites. He doesn't believe he has to prove himself to anybody. In my case, I am different. I'm sure you will find something to criticize on this message because that is what you do best. So please - just back off. A lot of other people feel the same way. I get a lot of personal emails from this website and others and I talk to these people through my personal website because of people like you. So that's it. As I have stated many times before - when the generator is finished, I will be making the video right away and I will post it on this website. If anyone has positive feedback, you can email me personally and I will answer any questions. Thank you.
James
James Spinner goes around and tries to play Forum police he loves to give out his resume but he is no friend to this Forum Completely disregaurd his contributions here He wants you gone Did this recently on the Stiffler thread the imhotep thread and other places because he was COMPLETELY unaware of what was going on [and jumped to ignorant conclusions ]Chet
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Quote from: ramset on August 25, 2008, 10:22:02 AM
James Spinner goes around and tries to play Forum police he loves to give out his resume but he is no friend to this Forum Completely disregaurd his contributions here He wants you gone Did this recently on the Stiffler thread the imhotep thread and other places because he was COMPLETELY unaware of what was going on [and jumped to ignorant conclusions ]Chet
I feel sorry for you, ramses...And I'm sorry for all of my words (good faith!) directed to you..
You're really just a "
village idiot"
Good bye, and - piss off....!
Spinner yes the" village idiot " and even I recognized the huge potential of the Stiffler HHo 96% efficiency cell and imhoteps thread whats your excuse? and Im sorry I missed the kind words you wasted on me [maybe you were sleeping when you posted?] Oh, and if you do post nice things in your sleep maybe you should spend more time sleeping! and BTW have a nice life Chet
Up till today not explaned - was it fake or meant as joke.
Question is not about someone wants to build such kind of unit - try to cheers - we all do bear good will - good success !!!
Question is about honesty,
Because "Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp..." was declared as the straight dope,
and later accrued selfrunning magnet wheel ... seems the author did not know that the only one in the world :o
Ohh dear!
It is September now,
Honesty presupposes red blood, virility,
Sometimes we can meet deficiency of ... unfortunately not very seldom ...
with due respect,
khabe
Khabe,
The truth will all come out, including my honesty. For example, one thing that is very important is global warming. At least I am trying to make a difference for the sake of all the children in the world.
James
North Pole becomes an 'island'
London, Sept 1 (PTI) It's now a fact. The North Pole has become an "island" for the first time in history, courtesy global warming.
NASA's satellite images have revealed that the melting ice has facilitated the opening up of both the north-west and north-east passages, making it possible for marine vessels to circumnavigate the Arctic ice cap.
In fact, the images suggest the north-west passage opened last weekend while the final blockage on the east side of the ice cap, an area of sea ice stretching to as far as Siberia, dissolved a few days later.
"The passages are open. It's an historic event. We are going to see this more and more as the years go by," according to Professor Mark Serreze, a sea ice specialist at National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) in the US.
However, he has warned that the images indicated that the Arctic may have entered a "death spiral" caused by global warming, British newspaper 'The Daily Telegraph' reported.
But shipping companies are smiling all the way to the bank as they plan to exploit the first simultaneous opening of the routes since the beginning of the last Ice Age 125,000 years ago.
According to the Beluga Group in Germany, it will send the first ship through the north-east passage, around Russia, next year, cutting 4,000 miles off the voyage from Germany to all the way to Japan.
It may be mentioned that last year, the extent of sea ice in the Arctic had reached a record low, that also prompted scientists to caution that the ice cap could vanish altogether during summer in years' time. PTI
James,
Lets leave be North Pole,
I do not give you?ll feeling of relief :-\
You or excuse, pardon before faithful believers, or - as promised - premi?re your new art movie,
Instead of neighbouring electrician guy you need to find a deft maven of cinematography ::)
Be hurry!
Cheers,
khabe
Watching the video he claims a pump with an output of 165 gallons per minute, 165X60=9900 Gallons per hour. I did some digging and may have found the pump he originally used in the video. It's called a torpedo pump it is an axial flow design and will pump 10,000 gallons per hour at a 1' head height. These pumps are very efficient. See link below
http://www.itsparadiseathome.com/equipment/cal-torpedo-pump-10000gph.html
Kind regards,
Zatheros
Khabe and Spinner,
please stop harrassing James,
otherwise I will ban you.
James , any news on your machine ?
When will you have another video online ?
Many thanks.
Oops, Failed to notice this earlier but here is the specs for the 10,000 GPH Torpedo Pump.
http://www.calpump.com/charts/T10000.pdf
Zatheros7
Finding a pump is easy enough, finding a generator without a motor attached to it seems harder...that is, they are interchangeable in name, and so if looking on Ebay using 'generator', you get nothing but gas powered generators, but not the generator itself.
I've searched using 'generator head', etc but not really good results.
Anybody know the best way to find free-standing/unattached generators like the one in the video? To search for them?
Thanks,
Robert
Quote from: Artist_Guy on September 11, 2008, 10:59:54 PM
Finding a pump is easy enough, finding a generator without a motor attached to it seems harder...that is, they are interchangeable in name, and so if looking on Ebay using 'generator', you get nothing but gas powered generators, but not the generator itself.
I've searched using 'generator head', etc but not really good results.
Anybody know the best way to find free-standing/unattached generators like the one in the video? To search for them?
Thanks,
Robert
Try "Alternator" instead.
Quote from: Artist_Guy on September 11, 2008, 10:59:54 PM
Finding a pump is easy enough, finding a generator without a motor attached to it seems harder...that is, they are interchangeable in name, and so if looking on Ebay using 'generator', you get nothing but gas powered generators, but not the generator itself.
I've searched using 'generator head', etc but not really good results.
Anybody know the best way to find free-standing/unattached generators like the one in the video? To search for them?
Thanks,
Robert
I have tried searching for "generator head". Here are a few results.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category_6970_36+182379
or here
http://www.electricpowergenerator.com/generatorheadsets.html
It may be just cheaper just to buy a gas generator and remove the gas engine.
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 11, 2008, 08:57:33 PM
Khabe and Spinner,
please stop harrassing James,
otherwise I will ban you.
James , any news on your machine ?
When will you have another video online ?
Many thanks.
What?? Is fair questioning a "fantastic claim" a bannable offence??
I never harras mr. Hardy... I said I want to believe him, I wish him all the best, etc... ???
I suggest you check my posts here. I was just questioning a "selfrunning waterpump-generator device" (a video and perpetual motion claims).
I stand behind what I said. Regarding the pump/CoE/pelton wheel,etc... And about delusions.
As you may have noticed, so far (in a few months), not even a tiniest proof for the claims was presented by the inventor. It shouldn't be difficult, the man produced a working device years ago..? Before that a magnetic perpetual motor, and God knows what else....
Hopefully, we'll see a new video, soon.
If the delusions are the only criteria for a membership here, then I'm afraid I'm not very interested.
Cheers!
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 11, 2008, 08:57:33 PM
Khabe and Spinner,
please stop harrassing James,
otherwise I will ban you.
James , any news on your machine ?
When will you have another video online ?
Many thanks.
Dear Stefan,
The only thing I have tried - to guard your honor ... to protect your nice site against lying,
Or you like to be a laughing stock, as figure of fun of thousands of peoples visiting your site?
Lots have visited ... and left forthwith forever(!) when saw selfrunning waterwheel where orthodox believers fighting to the death to protect cheap fakery.
I have told before - not any bad words when some guy is coming in with similar idea ... ok you can try it ::)
This story was absolutely different - *Video what claimed as truth by author* ...
Not critique is what deflates visitors and active members - protection of blague does it !!!
You are educated man, Stefan, why to devalue the OverUnity ???
Gruss,
khabe
Quote from: Artist_Guy on September 11, 2008, 10:59:54 PM
Finding a pump is easy enough, finding a generator without a motor attached to it seems harder...that is, they are interchangeable in name, and so if looking on Ebay using 'generator', you get nothing but gas powered generators, but not the generator itself.
I've searched using 'generator head', etc but not really good results.
Anybody know the best way to find free-standing/unattached generators like the one in the video? To search for them?
Thanks,
Robert
Here's one -- http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45416. If you have a Harbor Freight store near you you can go in and check it out. I have seen it on sale for $219 and if you happen to have one of their 15% discount coupons at the time then that's a pretty good price. You would be hard pressed to find a commercial gas powered generator with these specs for under $1000-1200 US. I have almost bought this unit several times when it was on sale but don't have anything to drive it with (says it needs a 20HP motor). Always looking for backup power here on the U.S. Gulf Coast ;)
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 11, 2008, 08:57:33 PM
Khabe and Spinner,
please stop harrassing James,
otherwise I will ban you.
James , any news on your machine ?
When will you have another video online ?
Many thanks.
It's nice to hear from you - there has been a lot going on since I talked to you last. I've been getting plenty of emails from all over the world - many people want to be a part of this and offer help. We have finished the winding of the generator with different wire and other changes to the generator as well. We ran tests and we did not get enough watts for the amount of horsepower needed to switch over to generator power. I documented every minute that we spent on the rewinding with the new gauge wire. Right now we are going back to the set up initially used. Based on the time it took us to do the work on the new winding we now know how long it takes to do. So the new video will be available by the first of October. When we are back to the old set up I will film it in the middle of the parking lot for the first demonstration. For the second demonstration I will have the machine formally documented by two gentlemen who are relatively close to where I live who I have been in touch with by email and phone throughout this whole process - Jim Dunn and Ted Loder. If anyone wishes to google them you will see their qualifications are stellar. If anyone would like to talk to them, they are well aware of what is happening. I will post their documentation for the disbelievers. Additionally, I need their documentation to resubmit the update on my patent application. I've noticed a lot of people have been looking at the pump and the generator that I am using so they may, perhaps, build one on their own. Some friendly advice - be aware of the enormous amount of work that is required on the generator. We have spent hundreds of hours rebuilding the generator. If you buy the this model generator, make sure you have some professional help because of all the changes that are needed. I'll be posting the new video on YouTube around the first of October.
James
JDHardy,
I have been diggin around and found this gentleman who make custom turgo runners as well as sells
loose turgo buckets to build your own wheels. They just might help you squeeze out a little more precious power from your pump. Affordably priced too-
Link to custom Turgo runners and components.
http://hydro-gen.bizhosting.com/
Keep the faith, don't let doubting smacktards get you down!
Zatheros
Hi Hydro:
Have you considered using an induction electric motor? All you need is a 23uf +- across the phase and
then turn it up about 50 rpm over rated speed and you will have a generator. Self excites and bingo you have
power. Enough to power the pump, well not known on my end. Then there is the high speed gen heads for
wind power systems. Its out there.
thaelin
Quote from: hydrocontrol on September 12, 2008, 04:47:34 AM
I have tried searching for "generator head". Here are a few results.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category_6970_36+182379
or here
http://www.electricpowergenerator.com/generatorheadsets.html
It may be just cheaper just to buy a gas generator and remove the gas engine.
Quote from: JDHardy54
snip
Some friendly advice - be aware of the enormous amount of work that is required on the generator. We have spent hundreds of hours rebuilding the generator.
James
Greetings.
Point taken as to the generator winding. However...
I don't see why you must rebuild the generator unless it is to optimize the amps and volts to the RPM's you get via the water jet, as it likely is designed to be going at a lot higher RPM in its native application via some gas engine?
That would make sense.
I am of 2 minds of this now, but maybe I am missing a fundamental.
1. It is neat if this works. (my original mind) :)
2. Currently, I am thinking that even if it works, it seems that it would require massive scaling up to be practical for any real energy production and commercial application. There's just not a whole lot of practicality in having 10 of these things going so I can light up my house at night.
3. Ok, Three. ;) I guess this is a
Close Encounter of the Third Mind : I suppose if it does work, the main value is in the proof that it does, and in showing that,
it's worth more energy than it ever will produce. Because it will cause a ruckus in the explaining of how it can. Not at all bad.
Now if you get it running itself again, and lighting up 6 sixty watt bulbs too, that's worth taking camping. :) Though one could use LED's and go for a lot of light that way too.
I wish you the best of luck and success, and please, do not fix what is not broken. Go back to your original working approach (down to the number of paddles on the wheel), get it working again, then do as was suggested, replicate that, and do the experimentation and optimizing on the
duplicate. :) Whenever I write an algorithm, and get it working, I save the working, then optimize a copy. Sometimes there's no going back.
Thanks for those suggesting various avenues of generator finding.
Robert
Quote from: mbramble on September 12, 2008, 09:43:59 AM
Here's one -- http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45416. If you have a Harbor Freight store near you you can go in and check it out. I have seen it on sale for $219 and if you happen to have one of their 15% discount coupons at the time then that's a pretty good price. You would be hard pressed to find a commercial gas powered generator with these specs for under $1000-1200 US. I have almost bought this unit several times when it was on sale but don't have anything to drive it with (says it needs a 20HP motor). Always looking for backup power here on the U.S. Gulf Coast ;)
That's a pretty cheap ass high performance generator :o. Here I thought generators would be the killer part price wise in FE.
Just hello ;)
Just for keeping this Subject more actual 8)
I dont want youÂÃ,´ll escape with a whole skin without any shame :'(
Busy with cinematography ??? >:(
gruss,
khabe
well well hello again....
it started already .....
its starting to get heavy
in the middle of the mix of the riddles and the tricks .......
"JESTER" "T"
~~~~~~~~~~~snip~~~~~~~~~~~~~
well me again just had to share part of my friends rhyme ;)
got a nice link for you all.... did someone say alternator? lol!!
this is a 12vdc 250 amp alt. hummm 1200 rpm
link: btw they are cheep!!!!! http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/extremealternators.html
JUST LIKE THEY SAY TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL
SO I WILL....
these units will require a gear box from my turbine design ...
also i have found a real cheep jet pump at 80 gallons / min @ 5' 1.25" intake... price is 139$ cdn at princess auto it is .5 hp motor on the pump
so lol!!!
you do the math....
simply reduce the hose spray at my saw blade turbine .... as STEPHAN has said the pump does not see the turbine ;)
therefore there is no extra work done by the pump
TIME IS NOW TO FINISH MY TURBINE ALT SET
I WILL POST VIDEOS AND PICTURES
i choose my design on the turbine as the water is kept inside the outer most part of the turbine thus reducing friction..... and spinning faster for less input
the gear box will require some research altho there many super efficient units out there
more to come on my turbine unit
ist
btw
TESLA TURBINE AHHHHH YES this is where my unit came from .... ;) ;) 8)
is there a TESLA FAN IN DA HOUSE!!??!?!?!
Quote from: JDHardy54 on September 12, 2008, 06:06:47 PM
It's nice to hear from you - there has been a lot going on since I talked to you last. I've been getting plenty of emails from all over the world - many people want to be a part of this and offer help. We have finished the winding of the generator with different wire and other changes to the generator as well. We ran tests and we did not get enough watts for the amount of horsepower needed to switch over to generator power. I documented every minute that we spent on the rewinding with the new gauge wire. Right now we are going back to the set up initially used. Based on the time it took us to do the work on the new winding we now know how long it takes to do. So the new video will be available by the first of October. When we are back to the old set up I will film it in the middle of the parking lot for the first demonstration. For the second demonstration I will have the machine formally documented by two gentlemen who are relatively close to where I live who I have been in touch with by email and phone throughout this whole process - Jim Dunn and Ted Loder. If anyone wishes to google them you will see their qualifications are stellar. If anyone would like to talk to them, they are well aware of what is happening. I will post their documentation for the disbelievers. Additionally, I need their documentation to resubmit the update on my patent application. I've noticed a lot of people have been looking at the pump and the generator that I am using so they may, perhaps, build one on their own. Some friendly advice - be aware of the enormous amount of work that is required on the generator. We have spent hundreds of hours rebuilding the generator. If you buy the this model generator, make sure you have some professional help because of all the changes that are needed. I'll be posting the new video on YouTube around the first of October.
James
Please remember: "So the new video will be available by the first of October",
No comments,
khabe
Khabe, to be fair, he never said which year... :(
Hi all,
I have one of this 10/7KW generator and I use a single cylinder B&S 10HP from my old lawn tractor and it works verry nice even with half throttle. they are made in italy verry solid. it has four diodes on the rotor windings and a capacitor this generator even uses less driving power then my original Kohler generator witch has only 5KW. I set the head verttical because of my B&S engine which is vertical the head up. I can run my 3 water pumps ( 1 1/2 Hp) plus My A/C fan system I guess it has 1 1/2 Hp too. and can still make my coffe and /or grill my bratwurst ( stadium style for sure)
I can use the max 120V and 240V. the only thing was the integretated circuit breakers which I took out and replaced them out side with 30A/120V and 50A/240V. the origionale did go off allready by using both receipticle 120V and 240V they are flimsy.
was just if somebody are interested this are the best for a very cheap price.
greetings
walt
Quote from: mbramble on September 12, 2008, 09:43:59 AM
Here's one -- http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45416. If you have a Harbor Freight store near you you can go in and check it out. I have seen it on sale for $219 and if you happen to have one of their 15% discount coupons at the time then that's a pretty good price. You would be hard pressed to find a commercial gas powered generator with these specs for under $1000-1200 US. I have almost bought this unit several times when it was on sale but don't have anything to drive it with (says it needs a 20HP motor). Always looking for backup power here on the U.S. Gulf Coast ;)
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on October 04, 2008, 05:56:41 AM
Hi all,
I have one of this 10/7KW generator and I use a single cylinder B&S 10HP from my old lawn tractor and it works verry nice even with half throttle. they are made in italy verry solid. it has four diodes on the rotor windings and a capacitor this generator even uses less driving power then my original Kohler generator witch has only 5KW. I set the head verttical because of my B&S engine which is vertical the head up. I can run my 3 water pumps ( 1 1/2 Hp) plus My A/C fan system I guess it has 1 1/2 Hp too. and can still make my coffe and /or grill my bratwurst ( stadium style for sure)
I can use the max 120V and 240V. the only thing was the integretated circuit breakers which I took out and replaced them out side with 30A/120V and 50A/240V. the origionale did go off allready by using both receipticle 120V and 240V they are flimsy.
was just if somebody are interested this are the best for a very cheap price.
greetings
walt
Walt,
Thanks for that info. I have an 11 HP B&S motor from and old lawnmower just sitting around waiting on a use. Do you have any photos of your setup?? Thanks again.
Mike
Why do machines break down and need to be fixed? I've been following Mr. Hardy's machine for a while - why is it taking so long to finish? I find this to be the same with others as well. They are either broken or they are trying to make their machines more efficient. Is this a joke? I live in Massachusetts and will attempt to look him up to find where he lives. I would like to see if this machine is a real thing. I've looked at many other free energy machines that also seem not to be working. I have two websites people can look at and see what I'm talking about - here are the links:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Achilles_Ligeras%27_Magnetic_Engine_%28ALME%29
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:McQueen_Machine
I'll keep you informed on my quest to locate Mr. Hardy and his machine.
Hello, mr. Moore!
Have you managed to find Mr. Hardy?
Or anyone of his masterminds?
We're all expecting some answers from him....
Thanks!
As it turns out, Mr. Hardy emailed me. He gave me his phone number and address and consequently we ended up speaking for about 30 minutes. He was very forthcoming about his machine and I am going to visit him on Sunday.
lmoore2010
@imoore:
Great job! I can't wait to hear about your visit to him. Do you think he might allow you to take a few photos? He may not, I am not sure I would if I were him, but it does not hurt to ask. Good luck.
Bill
I was able to meet with Mr. Hardy yesterday to view his machine. There were also three other people there. He said he set up a number of appointments yesterday as this seems to be better with his schedule. We all had to sign a nondisclosure agreement before we looked at the machine.
I can tell you that the generator is not finished yet - it's up on his workbench. He is still doing some rewinding. He said he has rewound this two times in the last month. It seems that he and his partner are still very busy and they are only able to get together several nights a week.
I have never seen so many different spools of wire, disabled generators, water pumps, boxes of different size pulleys, and a whole slew of testers and tools crammed into such a small space. I must say that I was quite impressed with Mr. Hardy's determination. Initially I thought I would be disappointed but to the contrary, I was impressed and enthused.
He told us that he had a self-imposed deadline to complete the generator around the first of October but it was clearly evident that this is not happening. I did, however, get a good look at all the work he is doing on the generator and it is clear he is making progress. I'm unable to say much more since I had to sign the nondisclosure.
I also noticed that there was something covered by a drop cloth on another work bench. I queried him about it and his reply was that he is working with some magnets. I asked him if we could see what it looked like so he did, in fact, lift up the drop cloth for a few seconds so we got a quick view. We really just saw different size magnets on something resembling a wheel. He said he is working on this in the spare time he has. It was clear that he did not want to talk about it at this stage.
I will still follow Mr. Hardy's progress. He said I could come back to view the completed running machine. In a nutshell, this summarizes my visit with Mr. Hardy.
lmoore
lmoore2010, JDHardy54. Same person? Im sorry for being a skeptic but this whole thread is starting to sound fishy to me.
Mr. Hardy just called me. He was pissed at me for what I wrote. He said I signed an agreement to not talk about the machine. I don't think I disclosed anything that would violate the agreement.
He did ask us all not to go to any websites where any information would be disclosed, especially this O/U website. Apparently Mr. Hardy no longer goes to any of these websites because of what he perceives to be negativity. He even has his son checking his emails for him because he says he is too busy to bother himself with people's negative opinions. For myself, I believe in what he is doing. However, I will no longer comment on what Mr. Hardy is accomplishing.
Sorry Mr. Hardy and good luck.
lmoore
Quote from: lmoore2010 on October 13, 2008, 05:00:12 PM
Mr. Hardy just called me. He was pissed at me for what I wrote. He said I signed an agreement to not talk about the machine. I don't think I disclosed anything that would violate the agreement.
He did ask us all not to go to any websites where any information would be disclosed, especially this O/U website. Apparently Mr. Hardy no longer goes to any of these websites because of what he perceives to be negativity. He even has his son checking his emails for him because he says he is too busy to bother himself with people's negative opinions. For myself, I believe in what he is doing. However, I will no longer comment on what Mr. Hardy is accomplishing.
Sorry Mr. Hardy and good luck.
lmoore
Apparently
he does.....
Interesting that Mr. Hardy and Imoore2010 both use the same e-mail servers. Possibly just a coincidence.
Bill
To all nonbelievers:
I am setting up appointments on Sundays for people to come over to view the machine. Just email me your phone number and I'll get back to you. (Especially you Khabe.) About servers in New England: there are a couple of big ones - Comcast and Charter are just a couple that cover large areas. Please don't bother me with stupid stuff like that.
James
Many thanks James and lmoore2010 for the updates.
James, please take your time to rewire your generator.
Always this is true:
"Never change a running system."
So you did change it and now you have to get it running again.
I have deleted a few useless and annoying messages of user Khabe, as they are annoying.
Please Khabe
don´t comment anymore over here with your boring skeptical behaviour,
otherwise if they are again this stupid I will delete them again.
Quote from: lmoore2010 on October 13, 2008, 05:00:12 PM
Mr. Hardy just called me. He was pissed at me for what I wrote. He said I signed an agreement to not talk about the machine. I don't think I disclosed anything that would violate the agreement.
He did ask us all not to go to any websites where any information would be disclosed, especially this O/U website. Apparently Mr. Hardy no longer goes to any of these websites because of what he perceives to be negativity. He even has his son checking his emails for him because he says he is too busy to bother himself with people's negative opinions. For myself, I believe in what he is doing. However, I will no longer comment on what Mr. Hardy is accomplishing.
Sorry Mr. Hardy and good luck.
lmoore
I happened to have Mr Hardy's profile up and it indicated that he was online and logged in so apparently mr hardy does still check these websites...
I don't understand why people are investing time in this guy...If he's gonna keep everything secret, and not share anything, what's the point? Aren't we here to develop a power source to share with everyone? Greed is the root of all evils..
The point is the original device could not possibly work and it will absolutely never do. The initial 'working version’ was just a tale story. As long as it is kept as a story and all ‘reconstruction’ is just a research (or hobby, whatever), everything is fine. When it comes close to a legend of a real device that once worked, it’s not fine because it is a lie. So far, all prospects indicate it quickly and predictably moves toward becoming a lie.
Cheers,
Tinu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNrh6bBEJzc - very refreshing!
Tinu,
If you would like to get together email me your phone number and I'll give you a ring. I hope you are not the guy on the video that you refer to as very refreshing. I think that guy has a few screws loose.
James
Quote from: tinu on October 15, 2008, 08:12:07 AM
The point is the original device could not possibly work and it will absolutely never do. The initial 'working version’ was just a tale story. As long as it is kept as a story and all ‘reconstruction’ is just a research (or hobby, whatever), everything is fine. When it comes close to a legend of a real device that once worked, it’s not fine because it is a lie. So far, all prospects indicate it quickly and predictably moves toward becoming a lie.
Cheers,
Tinu
Mr. Hardy, read carefully Tinu's post...
"THE POINT IS THE ORIGINAL DEVICE COULD NOT POSSIBLY WORK AND IT WILL ABSOLUTELY NEVER DO"
OK?
So, if you want to oppose this view, and if you really have something of value, simply PUT UP - or - for God's sake - SHUT UP!!!
IMHO, rewinding of the generator (as a step towards OU) shows a lot about your understanding of the matter.... You know, Ampere-turns and Pelton-wheels and centrifugal pumps and power and energy and.. magic and...
Geee...
???
Quote from: JDHardy54 on October 15, 2008, 04:31:59 PM
Tinu,
If you would like to get together email me your phone number and I'll give you a ring. I hope you are not the guy on the video that you refer to as very refreshing. I think that guy has a few screws loose.
James
@ James,
I’m not the guy on the video; wouldn’t be strange to promote myself like that and still hope for better?!
Anyway, although the guy may seem to have many loosen screws at a first glance, rest assured he’s the opposite. Check, for instance, the following outrageous and utterly fake claims (that escaped to his scrutiny but I find them fully relevant for our discussion):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR3vBB1Yn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4
All of them (and many others alike one may find on Internet) are nothing but lies. It may sound harsh but so far you’ve publicly came out with a similar case. And let me state again my view so there is no confusion about it: your machine never worked as presented in the movie. Ok?
Regarding your proposal, apart from the fact I’m from Europe thus getting together would not be very practical, let me state that I appreciate your intention for clarifying the issue with me but I do not ask for personal proofs since it wouldn’t be much beneficial (I’m only one person and the claim is already public). My suggestion: if you have some hard supporting evidences, make them also public inhere. If not, then better recall your original claim and admit that, although false/faked, it was aiming at a good purpose like motivating the OU endeavors etc. etc.
Hiding behind what you’ve presented until now or postponing the moment of truth will always meet the rightful views, being less important if they come from me, spinner, Khabe, Deserhphile, MythBusters etc.
Cheers,
Tinu
How far is the day when dear Moderator will be ashamedly impelled to apologize and restore all deleted posts of persons intolerant to barefaced lie ?
Was it just because "business" ... pow-wow of venerable ´hero members´?
Sooner or later the time to eat sour grapes will come.
Lot of nice ideas, years of work of OU community devaluated when protected just serial liar.
One thing is when someone carries out this kind of idea, tries to build this unit - another thing is to allege this Video as truth ... and all successive spectacles.
I would not have said not any bad words when after video he (H) had confessed it was joke, like dream and he just trying to build something like that ... Unfortunately he did not.
Moreoverno - he left us know about no more no less as magnetic selfrunner he built years ago and ... left covered by dust :o
...
Enough said,
With due respect,
khabe
Quote from Stefan Hartman:
"Please Khabe
don´t comment anymore over here with your boring skeptical behaviour,
otherwise if they are again this stupid I will delete them again."
I guess Khabe did not understand this simple request.
Ok Spinner, Khabe and Tinu et al - I respect all of your opinions. I was asked by the administrator to join the O/U site sometime right after I posted the YouTube video. I thought it was a good idea to do so because I liked the feedback. But for now I'm going to take a break from this website and other sites as well. I kept you guys up to date on my progress or lack thereof. Changing things on the machine was a mistake so now I am going back to the original design. So that's it for now - until I finish the generator and then make the new video out in the parking lot when it is running and can be viewed inside and outside - all 360 degrees - no hidden boxes or hooked up wires. I'm taking Spinner's advice and shutting up until I'm finished. That's it - I'll get back to you when the new video is finished and posted. Thanks to all of you for your positive feedback. Have a nice day.
James
JD, It is a shame that people who are not able to create what you did are allowed to bully you on what is supposed to be a free exchange of ideas. I told you when I wrote that there are at least two parts of your invention that most people do not understand. I would not blame you for never writing one more word on this forum. How absurd is it that people demand that you provide more than you offer. If someone does not like your idea then they should leave you alone and go elsewhere. I call these people free energy Nazis. When I raised goats the goats had a similar manner. What they didn't eat they crapped on. I will follow your progress on other web sites.
@ jdhardy54
youll get it i can feel it 8)
i have not finished my unit yet altho i have purchesed 2 30 to 1 gearboxes for my turbine this will effectivly tap my high speed low torque rpm
and turn normal altonators to recharge the supply 8) 8)
oh it works alright lol
i just know ;)
ist
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 17, 2008, 07:45:35 PM
Well, then you would have Lenz law at work with the back drag onto the
motor needing more amps, when you connect a load like the light bulb
to the generator output.
If you use the pump you have a back drag free coupling
and if you make the diameter of the water wheel bigger you
get automatically a higher efficiency as you get more torque
on the water wheel.
For the pump it does not matter or it does not use more input power,
if the water wheel has a diameter of 1 Meter or 10 Meters.
Always the same input power into the pump,
buta 10 meter diameter wheel will have also lots more of torque and
thus much more mechanical output power...
Surely it depends also on the speed of rotation,
but as the pump shoots out the "water bullets" as
fast as it can, a bigger wheel
will almost reach the same speed as a smaller diameter wheel...
and thus the bigger diameter wheel will have more mechanical output power.
The problem is that the power is not only the torgue. P=M*2*pi*f
A.
It's precisely these kinds of "heretical" approaches that we live for. Not dismiss it because on the face it appears to be a gross violation of laws of physics.
My imagination is big enough to allow for the possibility that the influx of energy is probably taking place in the electromagnetic set-up. Tesla was creating a system that would transmit unlimited power unlimited distances. If someone may have come up with a receiver apparatus that somehow harnesses some kind of natural electromagnetic force, we should be standing at full attention.
We should not be too concerned about what the academic community might think of us, thereby shying away from association with something like this. This is what being part of a "two steps ahead" group is about. Yes, it narrows our audience and reach, but it also puts us in a position to birddog the true breakthrough, which more likely than not will come across as heretical.
:)
Ianblan4:
Well said sir.
Bill
This device appears to be a principle of the N-Machine by DePalma: (albeit the force of water is a significant twist)
And the use of a flywheel approach is definitely an excellent coupling device to maintain momentum. It has shades of Tesla (within it) which I like very much. Rotation, magnetic fields, and yes, Newton's First Law of Motion, which is the clincher for me.
;D
A good writeup and linked 'detailed' video demonstration would significantly substantiate this invention. Let's remember that the steam engine was 'in use' and 'operational' and fully functioning as a technology for over fifty (50) years before the physics and theory were (clearly) inderstood. There was no peer review system to hamper its immediate application into mainstream society. It worked, it was needed, and it was put to effective use, immediately.
; :D
The provisional filing mentions a battery and charger, in parallel to the pump.
Is this also present in the system in the video?
This could explain the apparent 'excess' energy
:)
Any update?
Here is a recent update, the generator is complete and running as intended, I will now be contacting the right people to do the documentations. And I will be making a new video for my viewers very soon outside in the parking lot.
James
Nice work, I cannot wait to see the new video, nice job!
AND SPINNER :
It's a big maybe until independently validated/replicated, but considering the options we are currently utilizing to keep the cars running and food on the table from overseas (e.g., oil, flooding the Middle East with military/contractors to defend our national security interests), we must investigate all claims to the best of our abilities, rather than group a demo into the "'been there, done that' = thumbs down" category. We're running out of options to keep the global economy afloat. We must investigate all claims with an informed, unbiased approach. Concur with Jim on 'follow the energy' approach...it all comes from somewhere and goes somewhere else.
I spoke today with James on the phone and
the new generator is done, but the weather out there
is pretty bad right now at his place and he waits for
a sunny day, where he is not out to work and then he will
do the new video out in the parking lot.
So have still a little patience with him.
Also he had trouble with coils burning up
in his modified generator, so he can´t put too much
additional load on it.
But he said, he will show the selfrunning soon.
Regards, Stefan.
@ Stefan:
Excellent. Thanks for updating us.
Bill
Looks a lot like a Pelton Wheel to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelton_wheel
The water flows along the tangent to the path of the runner. Nozzles direct forceful streams of water against a series of spoon-shaped buckets mounted around the edge of a wheel. As water flows into the bucket, the direction of the water velocity changes to follow the contour of the bucket. When the water-jet contacts the bucket, the water exerts pressure on the bucket and the water is decelerated as it does a "u-turn" and flows out the other side of the bucket at low velocity. In the process, the water's momentum is transferred to the turbine. This "impulse" does work on the turbine. For maximum power and efficiency, the turbine system is designed such that the water-jet velocity is twice the velocity of the bucket. A very small percentage of the water's original kinetic energy will still remain in the water; however, this allows the bucket to be emptied at the same rate it is filled, (see conservation of mass), thus allowing the water flow to continue uninterrupted. Often two buckets are mounted side-by-side, thus splitting the water jet in half (see photo http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/S_vs_pelton_schnitt_1_zoom.png ). This balances the side-load forces on the wheel, and helps to ensure smooth, efficient momentum transfer of the fluid jet to the turbine wheel.
Because water and most liquids are nearly incompressible, almost all of the available energy is extracted in the first stage of the hydraulic turbine. Therefore, Pelton wheels have only one turbine stage, unlike gas turbines that operate with compressible fluid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelton_wheel
The water flows along the tangent to the path of the runner. Nozzles direct forceful streams of water against a series of spoon-shaped buckets mounted around the edge of a wheel. As water flows into the bucket, the direction of the water velocity changes to follow the contour of the bucket. When the water-jet contacts the bucket, the water exerts pressure on the bucket and the water is decelerated as it does a "u-turn" and flows out the other side of the bucket at low velocity. In the process, the water's momentum is transferred to the turbine. This "impulse" does work on the turbine. For maximum power and efficiency, the turbine system is designed such that the water-jet velocity is twice the velocity of the bucket. A very small percentage of the water's original kinetic energy will still remain in the water; however, this allows the bucket to be emptied at the same rate it is filled, (see conservation of mass), thus allowing the water flow to continue uninterrupted. Often two buckets are mounted side-by-side, thus splitting the water jet in half (see photo http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/S_vs_pelton_schnitt_1_zoom.png ). This balances the side-load forces on the wheel, and helps to ensure smooth, efficient momentum transfer of the fluid jet to the turbine wheel.
Because water and most liquids are nearly incompressible, almost all of the available energy is extracted in the first stage of the hydraulic turbine. Therefore, Pelton wheels have only one turbine stage, unlike gas turbines that operate with compressible fluid.
Cgraner; I looked at the same web-site :)
2 weeks had passed
Is the weather there still bad? :o
Quote from: JDHardy54 on November 03, 2008, 03:39:12 PM
Here is a recent update, the generator is complete and running as intended, I will now be contacting the right people to do the documentations. And I will be making a new video for my viewers very soon outside in the parking lot.
James
Quote from: jdadojr on November 27, 2008, 06:21:40 AM
2 weeks had passed
Is the weather there still bad? :o
Probably... The weather is really bad, a parking lot is full of snow, filming crew went on vaccation, water in OU-pump froze and broke it, a pelton wheel has seized bearings and two of a generator coils burned again... Damn.
We'll have to wait 'till the spring.
Sorry.
???
:'(
>:(
I've read with great interest all the 31 pages of this thread up to here because, aside from the main issue which interests me deeply, it shows what an experimenter should NEVER do: disclose even part of his work to the public before he has total control of his findings (which can take much more time than to get an initial positive result)!
By making this mistake, in addition to the difficulties arising from his work (and his life), the researcher then gets the burden of all the extra opinions, suggestions, views etc. gleefully thrown in by anyone. Sadly, since it is in Man's nature to anticipate events and take sides even without full knowledge of facts, not many persons are up to the task of lending a helpful hand only if really needed, withholding their unrequested judgments (though at least those who take part to this forum should be).
With just the useful contributions, no more than two or three pages of this thread would have been filled...
The greatest discovery we can reach is respect for everything, even when we don't understand it. Why fear to be gullible or wrong? The truth comes out inevitably and benefits all.
Good post. I agree 100%.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 10, 2008, 03:43:14 PM
Good post. I agree 100%.
Bill
Also agree, 99.99%.
Difference in my views is that instead of “no more than two or three pages of this thread would have been filled...†I would read “not a single page should have been filledâ€. That would be valid if we stay in OU field, and in factual reality; if it’s about fantasies and dreams, I’d retract.
Quote from: tinu on December 12, 2008, 04:33:00 AM
Also agree, 99.99%.
Difference in my views is that instead of “no more than two or three pages of this thread would have been filled...†I would read “not a single page should have been filledâ€. That would be valid if we stay in OU field, and in factual reality; if it’s about fantasies and dreams, I’d retract.
Tinu, you're wright (again)!.
Cheers!
Quote from: spinner on December 12, 2008, 05:56:53 AM
Tinu, you're wright (again)!.
Cheers!
Thanks.
I sincerely wish I was wrong!
Quote from: tinu on December 12, 2008, 06:11:36 AM
Thanks.
I sincerely wish I was wrong!
Doh.. Me too!!?
Is this contagious? ;D
Quote from: capoverde on December 10, 2008, 07:05:57 AM
I've read with great interest all the 31 pages of this thread up to here because, aside from the main issue which interests me deeply, it shows what an experimenter should NEVER do: disclose even part of his work to the public before he has total control of his findings
This is an open source discussion board. It is not about controlling
but about sharing.
Paul.
Quote from: Paul-R on December 13, 2008, 09:45:18 AM
This is an open source discussion board. It is not about controlling
but about sharing.
Paul.
Fraud in fact is blameful.
regards,
khabe
They is no fraud when no money is involved.
Quote from: TheOne on December 13, 2008, 12:54:50 PM
They is no fraud when no money is involved.
Some people choose to be famous instead of quick money. Even unidentified famous. At least for beginning.
Lying is like masturbation to them. Fraud and cheat to achieve satisfaction, for getting orgasm.
Money hopefully comes later 8)
cheers,
khabe
Quote from: khabe on December 13, 2008, 04:53:24 PM
Some people choose to be famous instead of quick money. Even unidentified famous. At least for beginning.
Lying is like masturbation to them. Fraud and cheat to achieve satisfaction, for getting orgasm.
Money hopefully comes later 8)
cheers,
khabe
;DSeems, you know what you´re talking about ;D
Here is a recent update :http://vodpod.com/watch/1086132-welcome-to-business-stripped-bare
http://vodpod.com/watch/1086132-welcome-to-business-stripped-bare
@ James:
Thanks for the update.
Bill
Khabe and Spinner: After I posted a few minutes ago I went back to read comments and you two guys and people like you are why I no longer post on this website. There is a lot more going on than even you two know. The work that has been going on through the years is simply not a fraud. I would not be wasting my time if I thought differently. So keep your comments to yourself and the truth will all come out at the end.
James
Quote from: JDHardy54 on December 14, 2008, 05:11:50 PM
Khabe and Spinner: After I posted a few minutes ago I went back to read comments and you two guys and people like you are why I no longer post on this website. There is a lot more going on than even you two know. The work that has been going on through the years is simply not a fraud. I would not be wasting my time if I thought differently. So keep your comments to yourself and the truth will all come out at the end.
James
Dear James,
I have kept my mouth closed very long time, much more longer than your promised premiere.
At that many my comments have been deleted >:(
My last comment? What about? No names, nothing, Im speaking about fakers and lyers, not bear on good peoples - correct ???
OK,
Now Im reading what peoples tthinking about in another forums .. like ...
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:James_D._Hardy's_Self-Looped_Water_Pump_and_Electricity_Generator
I hope that its not crime against you - opinions
Dont worry - be happy and mettlesome,
cheers,
khabe
Wow, Richard Branson...really? No wonder the skeptics and naysayers bash us so much. If done correctly the internet can be your biggest resource yet you're begging a billionaire for help. Good luck with that matey ;D.
People keep replying with reasons why this device can't work.
They keep pointing to the lack of energy from the water wheel to run the generator.
It is quite obvious that the water wheel isn't supplying the energy,
it's just supplying energy to get the converter working.
The answer is in the modified generator, somehow it is collecting energy from somewhere.
@JDHardy54
If you ever get the unit up and running again I'm quite certain you can run the generator with any type
of drive unit and will still get the excess output energy.
The generator should be the main point of focus in this device, it is an energy converter of some kind.
This comment about torque and rpm requirements is completely true and puts the final nail in the coffin.
It can't be ignored and you only need to know about the heavy requirements to reveal the faked contrapment.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:James_D._Hardy's_Self-Looped_Water_Pump_and_Electricity_Generator#Violates_Several_Known_Laws_of_Physics
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Come on. You guys can’t possibly believe this crude contraption runs itself.
The pump making the jet of water must take at least one half horsepower (372 watts) and the light bulb at least 40 watts.
That shaft driven from his very crude paddle turbine must run a generator to produce at least 400-500 watts to be able to self run.
The shaft looks like it is turning at about 250 rpm (4 revs per second). With a 18" diameter or 9" radius paddle turbine, what amount
of torque must be produced at 250 rpm to get 400 watts of power? Well 550 ft-lb seconds = one horsepower = 748 watts.
So he needs at least 300 ft-lbs of steady torque produced. If his flywheel is 9" diameter that would have to be 400 pounds of
constant pressure needed at the rim of that pulley.
Since it only has six paddles on it, that pressure will not be steady and since he has very little mass on that flywheel, how can he
get 400 pounds of steady torque on the rim of that pulley with only six paddles.
I would be hard pressed to believe he could get 400 pound of pressure with the wheel held steady and the jet of water squirting
directly onto one single paddle. Gee that would require about 400 psi water pressure since the cross sectional area of the hose
is obviously less than one square inch. The hose looks like ½" ID hose which would be less than 0.2 square inches.
So I guess the pressure would have to be 400 x 5 = 2000 psi. And we haven’t even talked about the flimsy paddles held onto a
flimsy pulley with a single 3/16" stove bolt. That flimsy paddle holding 400 lbs of pressure is laughable, much less 2000 pounds.
Come on guys, lets get some critical thinking into looking at these contraptions before we consider going to check them out.
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It looks like he should have studied physics before trying to fake a perpetual machine to satisfy his need for attention.
...
***Mr. Branson: I have not made a new video yet because I am afraid of the generator burning out because of the gauge of the wire I am using. Consequently, all the tests that have been done show that the wire burns out after about four (4) or five (5) test runs. Therefore, I am waiting for documentation with the right people so I don't want to run the machine until I get the correct people here. I am contacting you because of your seemingly endless resources. I need to move forward on this with the help of the right engineers to figure out the proper size gauge. If you are interested in pursuing the free energy machine, please contact me as soon as you can.***
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***Richard:I have been very busy with allot of things besides the invention and video, I have been trying find the right people for documentation of the machine, and hoping to get things moving as fast as possible in the right direction. I will have the video up as soon as I can, right now the video is not my main priority I’m more concerned with getting the right documentation for the machine***
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http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:James_D._Hardy's_Self-Looped_Water_Pump_and_Electricity_Generator
The inventor does not want small investors; just one large investor -- preferably with his own lab/shop and engineers to bring the generator forward to production. The investor will have complete freedom to examine the generator including disassembling it.
Although inventor does not want small investors ... come on guys - lets put brains and money together a little bid help in engineerings. Myself Im ready to pay for new wire - you, smart guys - please let me know what the hell kind Wire it must to be - I´ll buy and pay. This is first step. Next step is rewinding ... and please --- dont forget about the documentation :o
... and then *one large investor* will build and pay a new tank ::)
Why some New Energy Cognress members are so cynicals >:(
cheers,
khabe
Hardy
Discribe the burnt wire issue. Did you save the old burnt wire "photo" just the wire? Not all wire is created equal you have to know where it came from, the labeling of the wire spools is like the idiot light on a dash board. Some wire has very bad impurities but political correctness dictates everyone suck equally so the poorest quality becomes the standard. May ask if it is the stator wire?Gen side, or motor side?
Ergo - I have a couple of questions for you. First, are you Francis Giroux? Second, are you member of New Energy Congress? If you are a member, then that explains it all. I've been involved a with Sterling Allan and Jim Dunn for a while now and Mr. Dunn would love to come here and examine the generator. I am not, however, ready to sign any licensing agreement from Sterling Allan or Jim Dunn with the Orion project. Ergo, I find that you are using the same calculations as Francis Giroux. For your information, Giroux's calculations are not correct. He does not have the correct flow rate (gph), watts, amps, or head pressure of the pump. The size of the hose that I am actually using is not a half inch hose nor is the paddle wheel 9". As a matter of fact, none of the dimensions that Giroux is using are correct. No one knows all the work that has been done on the generator, including Giroux. The generator is a huge part of the machine. So please just back off and if you would like to email me or call me or if you would like to see the machine, after you have signed a nondisclosure agreement, then just let me know.
Khabe - Just stop trying to dig up everything and anything that you can find to discount the machine.
I should not have to explain myself and waste so much of my time answering comments like this. I have a phone and a personal email. I do not, and will not, put out the information on the internet after I have been working so long to accomplish what I have done.
James
@JDHardy54
You are right. I know nothing about the dimensions of your machine except what your video reveals.
I just quoted the statement found at Peswiki. I didn't make it up myself. I'm a regular nobody.
But I assure you. No matter how you wind or build your generator you will always face Lenz Law in
electrical power generation. And that's all you have to worry about when designing an overunity motor.
Lenz Law descibes the force neccesary to generate a certain amount of power from a generator.
Simply put, if your device ain't more powerful than Lenz Law you can't achieve overunity, it's as simple as that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law
Good luck and I hope your device does work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg3Hk
@ Khabe:
Excellent video!!! I really enjoyed that.
Bill
Mr. Branson does not reply ???
http://vodpod.com/watch/1086132-welcome-to-business-stripped-bare
Sad >:(
I told before - I can pay for wire,
Cheers,
khabe
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:BREAKTHROUGH_PHYSICS_SUSTAINS_BREAKTHROUGH_POWER
That video reminds me of the monkey with his hand in the jar holding the fruit.
He cant get his hand out holding it so there he sits. Cant let go of it. That guy had
a bit too much greed for his own good. That was quite a good pile he had, just
needed to stop and take the spoils. Movie "over the hedge", same thing.
But a good laugh for sure.
thaelin
Quote from: khabe on December 23, 2008, 06:33:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg3Hk
Any news?
Up till no proper size gauge wire?
What about documentation?
And correct/right people?
Nothing?
Sad,
cheers,
khabe
My next steps are to get the new video tape to a CD so I can upload it onto YouTube.The new video was made in the parking lot with the machine up on caster wheels in order to film a 360 degree view of it and also a better view of the inside. I also filmed the voltage off a meter as it is running. The reason why I did this is I have three (3) large investors that wanted to see the machine out in the parking lot while running. This shows there were no hidden wires as well. So when the new video is on YouTube, I'll be setting up appointments for all interested parties for documentation and very large investors to move this forward as soon as humanly possible.I'll be in touch.
James
Thanks James
Godspeed
Chet
Quote from: JDHardy54 on January 26, 2009, 04:38:43 PM
My next steps are to get the new video tape to a CD so I can upload it onto YouTube.The new video was made in the parking lot with the machine up on caster wheels in order to film a 360 degree view of it and also a better view of the inside. I also filmed the voltage off a meter as it is running. The reason why I did this is I have three (3) large investors that wanted to see the machine out in the parking lot while running. This shows there were no hidden wires as well. So when the new video is on YouTube, I'll be setting up appointments for all interested parties for documentation and very large investors to move this forward as soon as humanly possible.I'll be in touch.
James
Hi, Mr. Hardy!
I wish you all the luck!
Sorry for being so skeptical. It's just that I've seen zillions of similar claims before.
You do understand that your claims are something like "the tooth fairy is a real thing" ??? ;D
Good luck to you! (AND your investors... I feel sorry for them....)
BTW, have you seen the khabe's proposal? No?
Ah, you have other "resources" now.... OK.
See you...
Is it Mr.Hardy ???
Or someone has stolen his great patent :o
http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/eco-energy-hydraulic-silo-hydro-electric-generator-reuses-water-for-continuous-electricity-generation/
Hydraulic Silo ::) .... *silo* looks more like Russian *power* :'(
Perhaps Moscow bought all rihgts 8)
cheers,
khabe
submiting a patent for a free energy device,
is the dumbest of all moves.
the oil companies have maintained their monopoly,
by closely observing the patent office.
when a device with sufficient output/practicality is patented,
the oil companies "obtain" the patent.
if the inventor is lucky he will merely be baught off,
and his invention buried.
but most of the time,
they kidnap/kill the inventor,
THEN bury his patent.
the energy companies are vipers.
they would eat their own children, if it was profitable.
they cannot be trusted.
and only a fool thinks that he can profit through their death-trap patent-bull****.
i'm going to start developing my own electric motors, once my adjustable power supply gets here.
i want to use them to create an extremely efficient water pump,
and an extremely efficient spin-to-electricity generator.
then combine them with an extremely space/performance efficient version,
of the device in this thread.
i will post pictures and details once it's done.
but i will never lose enough brain cells, to be stupid enough to patent it.
and i would only sell a copy of the device, to someone i trust.
Quote from: nitinnun on February 06, 2009, 08:45:05 PM
submiting a patent for a free energy device,
is the dumbest of all moves.
the oil companies have maintained their monopoly,
by closely observing the patent office.
when a device with sufficient output/practicality is patented,
the oil companies "obtain" the patent.
if the inventor is lucky he will merely be baught off,
and his invention buried.
but most of the time,
they kidnap/kill the inventor,
THEN bury his patent.
the energy companies are vipers.
they would eat their own children, if it was profitable.
they cannot be trusted.
and only a fool thinks that he can profit through their death-trap patent-bull****.
i'm going to start developing my own electric motors, once my adjustable power supply gets here.
i want to use them to create an extremely efficient water pump,
and an extremely efficient spin-to-electricity generator.
then combine them with an extremely space/performance efficient version,
of the device in this thread.
i will post pictures and details once it's done.
but i will never lose enough brain cells, to be stupid enough to patent it.
and i would only sell a copy of the device, to someone i trust.
OK - the ENERGY COMPANIES are goddesses of evil, they kidnap/kill inventors, stole theirs wonder patents ... 8)
But are they idiots? Why they dont build himself "Black Houses" - powerhouses wheres no admittance for normal people - inside of powerhouse are secret waterwheels :o
... thousands of "selfrunning waterwheel generators" what produce free energy ::)
Why they do not produce this free energy when they already have misappropriated all patents ??? As we understand - they have stolen these unique patents during centuries >:(
Why not to produce energy for free and sell for full money ??? Why to buy Oil from Arabic Sheikh ? ... OK, you can buy and ship but why to burn it?
Are the ENERGY COMPANIES lowbrow idiots ???
Or .... somebody of us is a little bid sick ::)
cheers,
khabe
@nitinnun
You are right.
@khabe
You are right.
... And something in beetween is the truth.
8)
@spinner
QuoteSorry for being so skeptical. It's just that I've seen zillions of similar claims before.
You do understand that your claims are something like "the tooth fairy is a real thing"
Good luck to you! (AND your investors... I feel sorry for them....)
LOL, to those unskilled in the art I would imagine this technology would seem like a fantasy, for the same reason people believed the world was flat and the universe revolved around our silly little planet. Fortunately there are people who can think for themselves and learn new things by themselves, I believe this is refered to as "Evolution". What Mr.Hardy is doing is nothing new, it has all been done before, what seperates him from you is the fact he has made an effort to understand something that you obviously have not. In the end maybe that is all that matters----that the effort was made to understand irregardless of the outcome.
Regards
AC
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khabe
it is a water pump,
turning a generator,
that powers the water pump.
it is not rocket science.
it is a very simple concept.
and almost as easy, to test.
i want to build my own version. to see how well it does.
but i'm taking the harder route.
of building my own motor, for the water pump.
and using the water to turn a newman machine, instead of a normal generator.
if you would love to help,
than answer my new thread regarding the best iron core,
for an electromagnet.
How long it need to take when believers, especially highly respectable ´hero members´ will say to fleeceables and to nonbelievers - Yes, this video was fake!
Or is it so comfortable just bury your head in the sand, disremember about?
One thing is to carry out any idea, ok, even present a video ... but then to allege this video as truth and to confirm it continually -
Come on, guys!
with due respect,
khabe
In a few weeks, the parking lot will be suitable for a camera action...
Untill then (The proof Video), we're just waiting...
Cheers!
unfortunately the parking lot had to be broken up...
...but when summer is over and the winter freeze arrives we can do the demo on the lake ;o)
To the skeptics:
Last month I went over to Mr. Hardy's house for a demonstration along with four other people - two of them were from this website and two of them were there to document the machine. He ran the machine for about 10 minutes in the middle of his garage (away from any outside current) in order for it to be documented. Could this possibly be one means of supplying energy in the future? Here in New England the snow is melting rapidly so I am sure he will do a video in his driveway as soon as he can.
Of course, I can't speak for him. I can say that Mr. Hardy has worked very hard on this and he will continue this hard work as he pursues his dream of free energy.
Quote from: lanblan4 on March 10, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
To the skeptics:
Last month I went over to Mr. Hardy's house for a demonstration along with four other people - two of them were from this website and two of them were there to document the machine. He ran the machine for about 10 minutes in the middle of his garage (away from any outside current) in order for it to be documented. Could this possibly be one means of supplying energy in the future? Here in New England the snow is melting rapidly so I am sure he will do a video in his driveway as soon as he can.
Of course, I can't speak for him. I can say that Mr. Hardy has worked very hard on this and he will continue this hard work as he pursues his dream of free energy.
You mean his dream of profiting from it. I wish that anyone who thought of money their brains would explode. Would make the world a happy place.
Quote from: broli on March 10, 2009, 02:35:51 PM
You mean his dream of profiting from it. I wish that anyone who thought of money their brains would explode. Would make the world a happy place.
Broli... did you realize this was your 666th post?
It just stumps me, Truly does. These guys are middle aged, schooled and went to college. Perfect nit picking spellers. They talk thru ther ass, and get ther kicks out of trieng to ALWAYS seem more intelligent then the next forum poster.
This is why skeptics are the dumbest people.
There are Skeptics, and thers ther are Psycho Skeptics.
A true, noble, intelligent, skeptic is open minded. He has no beliefs, and no bias.
A psycho skeptic, is the one we see everyone on the net.
This is the person, that already does not believe in the possibility, they may think or even fool themselves into thinking they are open minded, but the fact is they are not.
These are the people who will say, its fake, or not real, without any evidence.
Only using ther "logic" wich ofcourse is based on ther beliefs, presumptions and biases.
They are proud to be skeptics, and alike themselves to scientists.
They use ther "logic" to see if a claim is real or not. Considering most skeptics, go against uncommon beliefes or theories, they always have ther logic wich tells them "No, logically, this is impossible"
Anti gravity is impossible. It denies the laws of physics.
Or they will say, thats not true, for this and that reason.
But these "skeptics" already are biased to the theories. Making there statements and anything they say, absolutely void.
Another thing is, being a skeptic, is a personality. Its not what you do. Its who you are. From day one, if anything they see, does not conform to what "normal" theories explain. Its instantly BS. And as ther expert jobs as skeptics, they quickly try to debunk those theories.
But im sure the true believers, experimentors, also agree, that these "psycho skeptics" appear more and more ilogical. As new discoveries arise daily, and laws of physics are added on to every so often, its not hard to see that indeed the believers are more or less in the winning side.
And the skeptics, are in the loosing side.
In conclusion, ther will always be skeptics and believers.
Yet, the skeptics arent the ones that go on to make new inventions, discoveries, and dig deep into the theoriy and pull out the evidence to prove the claim.
Because ther is plenty of evidence that skeptics never see, nor search out, nor study. Because by society, they are the skeptics.
On the contrary, the believers, the scientists being mocked by "skeptics",
are the ones who invent new discoveries.
Look at Diesel, Tesla, etc.
The wright brothers did not invent the plane, by thinking about how to go into the ground. As the quote goes.
That is why skeptics are the lamest, especially psycho skeptics, and the ones that rant on an on, talking out ther ASS, pretending to debunk an experiment or technology they have never seen.
So keep that in mind, next time you read a so called "intelligent" skeptics remarks.
Oh Dear ...
What Can The Matter Be?
::)
cheers,
khabe
@Ianblan4,
Happens all the time, eh?
But when somebody does come through alot of trials then people noticed how he struggled, plodded, and achieved through immense trials, politics & mockery.
How many trials are real?
--giantkiller.
I have duplicated the James hardy self powered setup without the generator.
It consists of.
1. T-10,000 pump which he confirms is exactly the same pump he used.
2. Wheel with paddles, exactly what James used with cupped washers which was specailly formed for more torque.
3. Watertight plastic container.
3. Ballanced motor shaft and bearings.
4. Clear hose with all adapters necessary teflon sealed with the same nozzle James used.
5. This has been tested and works well, exactly like James's unit.
6. I have attached photos so you can see what I have done.
7. I am thinking of selling this for exactly what I have in it, no charge for my labor. I need the money to get my home finalled.
My speculation is that the device gets its power from water hammer. Watch James's video again and note the change in the appearance when the water gets the air bubbles mixed in. It gets milky, then the rotation speed increases dramaticly. I have seen the results of water hammer caused by opening or shutting the valves when a repair has been made. It blew all the valves of the mains going to the homes on a county water system for 500 feet. They were burried over 10 feet and the whole section had to be dug up and repaired. Thousands of pounds of pressure can be exerted from this effect and pipes can rip open for many feet. I filed for a provisional patent. If anyone asks I will send a copy or if there is enough interest I will post it as an attachment. Water hammer was how the Richard Clem device worked. He worked in the utility department for the county and saw the effects of Water Hammer.
Wonder you found exact the same "tablespoons", fittings/fixings and the same washingmachine pulley ::)
8)
cheers,
khabe
666666.
Nice job I am very interested in purchasing your set up as shown, I have seen Mr Hardy's device working and he has added triple the amount of paddles to the belt wheel, but it should not be to much trouble to add the rest of the paddles myself. Please email me with the price you are asking or we can talk over the phone? If your still interested please contact me.
Thanks
Waiting for your reply
Why phone or email when you are in the same room ???
::)
cheers,
khabe
P.S.
Billionaire did not carry out any money?
imagine your mouth,
using air pressure,
so suck liquid into a straw.
i wanted to make my own pump.
using an enclosed box fan, to suck water through a tube.
or maybe bind the box fans blades,
with zip ties,
to a water tight turbine.
and the turbine would actually touch the water.
i also wanted to make the main body,
out of gorilla glue smeared cardboard.
gorilla glue would soak nicely into the cardboard.
gorilla glue is immune to water.
gorilla glue would seal up any openings, in the cardboard body.
i also wanted to use tesla's air turbine, instead of the water wheel.
the tesla turbine would be made of 6 gorilla glue smeared squares of cardboard.
with 1/4 inch sepperating each cardboard square.
the water would flow through the 1/4 inch gap, between the cardbaord squares.
the friction of the water sliding against cardboard, would turn the cardboard wheel.
the tesla air turbine, was said to be 98% efficient.
i imagine it is just as efficient, with water.
i'm typing this, because i want someone to use it.
i don't give one rancid d*mn, about getting rich.
or even about recognition.
i want the world,
to be a better place to live in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrkFYQ4vLYk&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzzokgOgJxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYhskVbxEi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1_dqpI_7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ILUstDUag&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG95NnnzPYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsknv8S1gEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aVxZRzt-Uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4FbG-uDsU&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0co0aUmBKZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BumJ_5hSECY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT-4ZMgDBNI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5r9281c6Tg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NIb8C_yduo&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NruAii9xGD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGai6tbHOKQ&feature=channel_page
Quote from: lanblan4 on March 28, 2009, 10:47:27 AM
666666.
Nice job I am very interested in purchasing your set up as shown, I have seen Mr Hardy's device working and he has added triple the amount of paddles to the belt wheel,...
This is not good... It seems Mr. Hardy was actually listening to the skeptics, adding paddles to his "toothless Pelton wheel"? I though the secret is in the generator... The magic wires, and stuff... Hell, It won't work, for sure.... >:(
Quote
.. but it should not be to much trouble to add the rest of the paddles myself. Please email me with the price you are asking or we can talk over the phone? If your still interested please contact me.
Thanks
Waiting for your reply
Ah, well...
6x6, sell your stuff immediately.... While there's still an interest....
Lanblan will make it work, for sure!
p.s.
Where's the video (parking lot) showing working stuff and all the "beauties", promissed by an inventor "a while ago"?
???
Fausto: Here is what I have in it and what I will sell it to you for. I am not charging for the labor I have in it or the countless hours I spent with James hardy making sure I had the right parts.
1. retail on turbo pump is: 399.00 I paid 295.
2. Ballanced shaft 60.00
3. Bearings 18.00 each. 36.00
4.large pulley 34.00
5. Paddles and L brackets over 20.00
6. Clear hose with all adapters and nozzle 50.00
7. Plastic tank lid is 1/4 thick and cost me: 60.00
8. The tank is very heavy duty plastic 300.00
4/10ths of an inch thick. TOTAL 855.00
THE TANK IS FAR HEAVIER DUTY THAN STANDARD TANKS. PICS ARE ATTACHED. I AM PLANNING TO LEAVE IN THE NEXT DAY AND WILL BE GONE FOR A WEEK OR MORE.
I actually have much more into than this that is stated. There were countless trips to town, countless hours finding and ordering on the internet etc.
I have eight additional pictures. Send me an email with your return address and I will email them to you. Can't post them here, not enough room.
hartiberlin;
I guess, Spinner needs a rest.
I have put him on Read-Only.
THANK GOD ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D
Quote from: lanblan4 on March 30, 2009, 07:24:16 AM
hartiberlin;
I guess, Spinner needs a rest.
I have put him on Read-Only.
THANK GOD ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D
Question is not about you read or not read-only Spinner´s,
Question is about great business you are doing :o
As (perhaps) you detected - there is no Generator included,
and there is no "right documentations" >:(
It means you dont not need this expensive pump as well ::)
You buy only this high-tech Waterwheel, Tank and Hose!
Scheme:
water tap->hose->waterwheel --->tank,
You just need to add an diy crank to the shaft,
Well - now you can build a Waterwheel powered xxx-Toy,
Because Hose is transparent - none see it ... you can describe this apparatus as
Selfrunning Waterwheel Masturbating Machine :o
much fun,
khabe
Assuming the snow has melted in the driveway, can we now expect a decent demo of the device?
;D
;D
The generator is overheating?, so you add watercooling of some sort to the generator, you are already pumping water around, so you may as well use it...
Anyways looking forward to the "outdoors" demo video... :D
The device 6x6 is selling is obviously fake.
Ignoring my belief that the original, self-running water machine was a fake, without the generator it could only work when the pump is plugged in. As soon as its disconnected the pump shuts off and the water stops flowing to the water wheel. LOL. I would of given 6x6 the benefit of the doubt if he were offering a incomplete device; however he mentions "water hammer" as the operating principle, implying that the device works in its present configuration, without a generator.
If the generator was somehow providing overunity, utilizing the excess power directly to run an electric motor is far more efficient then powering a water pump that spins an extremely inefficient mechanical water wheel.
If you are referring to me as 6X6 then here is my answer. James Hardy says in his own words that "his" invention will not work by hooking up a motor to his generator, so the working principle has to be something else. What I offered for sale was the paddle wheel portion of The James hardy setup. What I showed was what was for sale. Not including the generator, which is another project. This was not offered as a complete device or complete replication.
If you watched video, you must have not noticed THE WATER BUBBLES APPEARING, JUST WHEN THE WHEEL ACCELERATED. THE WATER BECAME MILKY BECAUSE AIR BUBBLES WERE INTRODUCED AT THE INLET.
STUDY SCHAUBERG, CLEM, GRIGS HYDROSONIC PUMP AND OTHERS THAT USED WATER HAMMER OR CAVITATION TO PRODUCE OVERUNITY.
This is not the same unit as James Hardy built. Note that I cupped the Large washers which James attempted to do but his results were not the same as mine. All other parts were the same as what he used except my container which was professionally made by a factory.
When you see the costs of what this thing cost to make and add the price of a generator, it will become obvious that a solar panel if much cheaper, "dollar per watt". Plus the fact that the solar panel doesn't burn up. Also you are right: THERE IS NO RELIABLE VERIFICATION THAT THIS EVEN WORKS.
Back in February I went over to Mr. Hardy's house for a demonstration. The setup he's using seems to work well. I asked him many questions and one was why not use an electric motor. I saw 2 or 3 motors in his garage and he explained to me that he went down that route and the motors always overheated. He said to me that the force it takes to turn the generator is greater than the motor can put out. Hence, the motors overheated. He said that's why he went to the water pump. The force from the water was what he needed and there was then no overheating. He modified his water wheel and it looked like he had tripled his paddles. There was also a box in between the output from the generator to the receptacles that did not show in the video. He did not say what the box was. I can assure you that I witnessed his machine running and I looked carefully for any wires or any underground connections and I saw nothing. I did get a close look at his generator - he had the cover off the back of it and I could see he had done a lot of work to it, but he would not explain the work that he has done to it.
lanblan4,
So the secret then is with the generator and has nothing to do with water? He could of just bought a more powerful passive cooled motor to spin the generator. In theory the excess power produced by the overunity generator could just power the motor spinning it. Neither the water pump or the paddle wheels are mechanically efficient and in this case rather dangerous for water to come in contact with electricity. It would of probably been cheaper than spending it on a tub, $300 water pump, etc.
I also found how the 60 watt lamp suddenly shut off rather than dim kind of strange. Did you notice that when he performed the demonstration?
6x6,
I'm not really familiar with water hammer except that it can occur when the inertia of moving water is suddenly halted and back pressure builds?
Perhaps an overunity device was designed from it but I don't see how this device can produce water hammer. If the operating principle was that then by your account the manufactured water pump itself would be the overunity device.
Xaero,
Maybe I should have explained myself a little more but I asked him many questions along with three other people who were asking many questions as well. Two of them were there for documentation. He did say the motors he used were all air cooled, but I'm not an electrical engineer and he repeated that the motors would overheat from the force of a generator under a load. Looking around his garage, I saw all the electric motors, water wheels, and all the disabled generators. There were also many different parts around the garage. It did not seem like this was just something that was thrown together. I wanted to see this thing running with my own eyes because I could not believe what he has come up with. To me, there is a lot more going on here than you and I could imagine. He answered every question that he was asked and I couldn't see any faults. I think he has just worked hard on this project to get to where he is today. To quickly explain the light bulb shutting off after he pulled the plug from the waterpump - if I remember correctly what he said was that the generator had a relay switch on it to prevent low voltage backfeed. But I could be wrong about that. If you have any questions, try emailing Hardy yourself. Good luck.
Larger motor with some fail-safe electronics/voltage regulators and perhaps a mechanical governor for the generator can protect it. A water jacket with a small volume of circulating through a radiator can be used to cool the motor as well. Regardless, it appears to me that the water wheel and pump aren't necessary if the overheating issues can be controlled, which they can be in a much more efficient manner than they are now.
If you believe your eye-witness account then there is obviously much more involved here because nothing less than perhaps a 1000% efficient generator could sustain itself with all the mechanical losses involved with the water system.
Unless Mr. Hardy reveals exactly how is generator works and successful replications follow, he has no more credibility than other alleged inventors that have failed to deliver.
Here is one of the biggest hurdles Mr. Hardy has to overcome.
COUNT THE COST AND COMPARE THIS TO A SOLAR PANEL.
The solar panel will win every time. AND THEY ARE GETTING BETTER AND CHEAPER. They work everytime and I used mine for 15 years with no diminishing return or need of repair. Because of this I doubt that the Hardy device will ever go anywhere.
Except on cloudy, stormy days and when the sun goes down. No sun, no power. Same with wind, no wind no power. Both are unpredictable. On the other hand, 60 watts cant cut it either, try about 10,000 average for a house.
thay
If this device is in fact real, there is no question that its in fact the generator responsible for the "magic". The water paddle and pump don't really do anything except serve as a very inefficient load. All we need is to replicate the generator but of course thats not possible as we don't have a diagram of the circuit. Water is not necessary and not worth the danger when near electricity.
There's no point wasting time on this until the inventor shares how his generator works.
I am selling all my James Hardy stuff on Ebay right now. I agree it does work but ALL the pieces are important. However I had a heart attack and my meds are more important than this project right now. Here the links to what I'm selling on EBAY RIGHT NOW!
http://cgi5.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll
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SORRY WRONG LINK FOR THE TANK AND PADDLE WHEEL
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Hi guys, I am just another guy chasing the free energy ... last week I saw a few movies in one of them they speak about the wheel of Aldo Costa . After that move I did a lot of thinking and research which brought me to some really interesting stuff ! Let me explain - It is all about speed and mass of a moving object ! Here is the formula by which one can approximately determine the energy contained in a moving object :
E = 1/2 mv2
where:
VARIABLES:
E is Energy of the moving object (in Joules)
m is Mass of the moving object (in kilograms)
v is Velocity of the moving object (in meters per second)
Ok, now let's do some thinking - If an object is moving with constant speed and we double it's mass we will double it's energy (correct me if I am wrong) !
Now let's see the next case - the same object is moving and it has a constant mass , if we double its speed - what is going on with it's energy - it raises up 4 times ( again correct me if i am wrong)
Now is this ringing already any bells ? No ... too bad for you ...
Let's continue with the thinking ... Fluids ... very interesting property of fluids is the fact that if a fluid is moving via pipe with diameter D and speed B ... and if then the fluid passes to a pipe with diameter 1/2 D ... guess what it's speed gets 2*B ... any bells now ? Still no ... well try to connect the two thing on which we just did some thinking - A faster moving fluid has a lot more energy in it but what did we to make it move faster - nothing we just put a smaller pipe ... Now if any of you is good in physics ... Please correct me ... ;)
The practical use : We take a waterjet pump (the one that washes your car) and we use it to spin the water turbine -> well if all I said by any chance is correct then we will be able to rotate a very powerful generator which will be able to power not only the waterjet pump but a lot more things ...
This is just my thought ... It could be a complete bul....t ... but please comment !
Quote from: plam40 on September 27, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
Now let's see the next case - the same object is moving and it has a constant mass , if we double its speed - what is going on with it's energy - it raises up 4 times ( again correct me if i am wrong)
No, the formula means if you double the speed, you need to put in 4 times as much as energy
Quote from: plam40 on September 27, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
Now is this ringing already any bells ? No ... too bad for you ...
Let's continue with the thinking ... Fluids ... very interesting property of fluids is the fact that if a fluid is moving via pipe with diameter D and speed B ... and if then the fluid passes to a pipe with diameter 1/2 D ... guess what it's speed gets 2*B ... any bells now ? Still no ...
Again, no, the formula for the area of the cross section of the pipe is (pi x r ^2) which means if you half the diameter D, you get 1/4 of the area, thus 1/4 of the mass, meaning for the same energy input, you get 2 times the speed, but 1/4 of the mass, which if you go back to read your E=1/2mv^2 formula, does IT ring any bell?
Quote from: plam40 on September 27, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
well try to connect the two thing on which we just did some thinking - A faster moving fluid has a lot more energy in it but what did we to make it move faster - nothing we just put a smaller pipe ... Now if any of you is good in physics ... Please correct me ... ;)
The practical use : We take a waterjet pump (the one that washes your car) and we use it to spin the water turbine -> well if all I said by any chance is correct then we will be able to rotate a very powerful generator which will be able to power not only the waterjet pump but a lot more things ...
This is just my thought ... It could be a complete bul....t ... but please comment !
Same effect with wind power, it goes up by the cube the faster the wind blows in knots.
jim
I just wander, is a parking lot cleared of a snow, or what?
Another winter is closing a northern hemisphere, so...
What happened with the "60watt "FE" pool pump"?
Doh...
What happened with the "60watt "FE" pool pump"?
Quote from: somza on August 27, 2010, 03:28:03 AM
What happened with the "60watt "FE" pool pump"?
Thanks for digging up this thread... I wander what happened with this "absolute truth" project, too.
Silly, I was banned just to pointing up the mistakes with this "OU pool pump" discovery.
Thanks to our Admin Allmighty, and his staff... Ramses & Co.
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 16, 2008, 03:09:31 PM
"The only thing, that puzzles
me, why is the lamp going out so fast
at the end, when he removes the plug and
after about 2 seconds the lamp goes out immediately..."
If you look at the video, you can see two capacitors mounted on top of the generator. I know from experience as an electrician, service tech for Generac standby generators, and installer of home surge suppressors,
Generators had to be isolated from capacitors because they would damage the systems. Normally, a capacitor will discharge, repowering the generator coil as a motor, causing it to turn in the same direction (rather than backwards)
Usually 120 volts needs 3600 rpms.
Reducing the revolutions per minute will lower the voltage, which would dim the light. The light turned off as if electricity ceased instantly.
A capacitor won't affect the voltage. But capacitors actually consume power and may be trying to power the generator coil as a motor.
My first instinct says that the capacitors aren't connected to the generator.
When I look at the setup closely, (as best I can) the caps are laying loosely ontop of the metal casing, to where the connections seem dangerously close to "grounding out"
And what is most perplexing is how both the hot and neutral of the SJO from the outlet seem to be connected to the capacitor in tandem.
And the other end of the chain doesn't seem to be connected to anything at all...
Quote from: AsylumEscapee69 on October 31, 2010, 05:21:48 AM
If you look at the video, you can see two capacitors mounted on top of the generator. I know from experience as an electrician, service tech for Generac standby generators, and installer of home surge suppressors,
Generators had to be isolated from capacitors because they would damage the systems. Normally, a capacitor will discharge, repowering the generator coil as a motor, causing it to turn in the same direction (rather than backwards)
Usually 120 volts needs 3600 rpms.
Reducing the revolutions per minute will lower the voltage, which would dim the light. The light turned off as if electricity ceased instantly.
A capacitor won't affect the voltage. But capacitors actually consume power and may be trying to power the generator coil as a motor.
My first instinct says that the capacitors aren't connected to the generator.
When I look at the setup closely, (as best I can) the caps are laying loosely ontop of the metal casing, to where the connections seem dangerously close to "grounding out"
And what is most perplexing is how both the hot and neutral of the SJO from the outlet seem to be connected to the capacitor in tandem.
And the other end of the chain doesn't seem to be connected to anything at all...
@ AsylumEscapee69
I have always wondered about those "capacitors" myself. It would seem
that capacitors would be used as a resonant source in a reluctance
regulated AC generator to regulate the strength of the generator
field coils. So what I am thinking is that a LC resonant regulator
would substitue for the regulator circuit in an automobile alternator.
But suppose someone unbeknowst to the guy substitued batteries
for those capacitors. Now the generator would be running full on
with the current from the batteries summed in. You would have
an overunity generator - until the time came for a rebuild, and to
recharge the field batteries again - which would always be soon.
No guarentees - just a thought.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2008, 10:26:45 AM
Quote from Stefan Hartman:
"Please Khabe
don´t comment anymore over here with your boring skeptical behaviour,
otherwise if they are again this stupid I will delete them again."
I guess Khabe did not understand this simple request.
hi guys,
Long time not seen,
Any breaking news?
Any more skeptics?
cheers,
khabe
All AC Generators do that when the RPMs fall to low
DC generators slowly fade
AC has to maintain it rpm to output no Fade it just shuts off
i own two AC generators they do the Exact Same Thing when running at idle the do not produce any power i have to raise the RPM to get them to generate power if you owned a AC generator you would Know this that is why know one has answered your Question It Is Basic we know it is AC From the 100 watt Bulb
dos anyone know exactly what the make an model of the pump is
i Just want one to wash my car
Anyone looking for that bad ass Pump it is a CalPump T10000 Torpedo Submersible Koi made in Oklahoma USA
an Ebay distributors have them for around 300 bucks
@lelandshane,
Yeah, an AC generator is designed to run at a particular RPM to support a
line voltage and frequency and it may rely on a resonant voltage regulator
and can drop out if the pole frequency is too far from the designed operating
frequency. That is 3600,1800 or 900 etc for 60hz. depending on the number
of magnetic poles in the rotor and stator.
Just a hint, I suspect submersible pumps operate on 24 to 48Volts to prevent
electrocution when being used underwater. That is, unless it is connected
by a diode to a 110Volt line. The water volumes and pressures would then
match what is seen in the videos. Except, that pulsing current might start to
erase the motor's permanent field magnets - creating overunity motor operation
for a time.
:S:MarkSCoffman
i am planning to replicate with
12 volt 200 amp self excited DC alternator & battery an AC Inverter
What do you think
I Agree
Notice that the Torpedo pump was redesigned new in 2010/11? Why did it get a factory redesign?
Best,
Blane
Quote from: plam40 on September 27, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
...
I saw a few movies in one of them they speak about the wheel of Aldo Costa
...
It doesn't work. It's confirmed by French science journalists who covered the topic. No body in the neighbourhood saw the wheel turn more than 1 or 2 mn after being launched, or by moments when there is wind.
You can't expect for free energy by using only conventional equations of mechanics like 1/2*m*v
2 (the lagrangian describing the system prevents OU).
Quote from: bsibille on February 19, 2011, 11:07:29 PM
Notice that the Torpedo pump was redesigned new in 2010/11? Why did it get a factory redesign?
Best,
Blane
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i called the manufacturer an the say the up graded the bearings
Quote from: bsibille on February 19, 2011, 11:07:29 PM
Notice that the Torpedo pump was redesigned new in 2010/11? Why did it get a factory redesign?
Best,
Blane
It was redesigned because the old one was exhibiting too much ou. ;D
The currently obtainable one is just a common, non-ou design...
do you sell the waterpump device?
i like to buy one
email me