http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdWkn1m-4w
V - Gate shown running.
Congratulations Omega_0 well done :o
Will you be able to share with us how you fabricated your build?
Have you been able to hook up a small generator to it and see if you get a decent power output? It would be nice to see this eventually leads to a 3 Watts output and beyond :D
Regards,
Paul
Okay, cannot resist.
Off to replicate.
Cheers
Sean.
GO CLaNZeR GO...LOL
Couldn't resist.... ;)
If there's anyone with working knowledge with magnets I would think that you are the one to do it....good luck and please let us know how you progress.
Regards,
Paul
Its not my motor, I just posted a link ;)
Quote from: Omega_0 on August 15, 2008, 03:53:27 PM
Its not my motor, I just posted a link ;)
awww thought the picture on the Video suited you mate ;D ;D ;D ;D
Before you start ClanZer, here my observation.
The rotor looks around 3" in depth but the motor stator is like 5", a lot of room to hide batteries and motor here! (2")
Quote from: TheOne on August 15, 2008, 04:47:28 PM
Before you start ClanZer is my observation.
The rotor looks around 3" in height but the motor stator is like 5", a lot of room to hide batteries and motor here! (2")
Hi mate
Totaly agree, but you know me I got to try it either way.
Grabbed some still shots and started the replication blog over at my forums, that I managed to get back online today.
http://overunity.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=186.0
Was going to duplicate it in these forums also as usual, but so many time outs, it is hard to post today.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on August 15, 2008, 03:03:20 PM
Okay, cannot resist.
Off to replicate.
Cheers
Sean.
Hi Sean and All,
Have you noticed that in the video the working motor has only 8 stator magnets while in the disassembled motor there are 12 holes for the stator magnets. Seems as if the 8 holes were made later when the 12 holes already were drilled out. I attached a picture grabbed from the video and edited it by making 8 green dots on the stator magnets I can see them.
I also attached another picture where I think the possible sticky spot can be seen: it is at the apex of the V and the beginning of the V legs. And you can see the difference as shown in the model and in his (probably one of his) rotor: in the model on the left the apex and the legs do not overlap but in the 'real' rotor on the right they do.
(And who knows how it is in the working motor?)
I wish this motor would turn out to be a real one!
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: CLaNZeR on August 15, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
awww thought the picture on the Video suited you mate ;D ;D ;D ;D
LOL, Almost ... but I dont have so gray hair !
@Gyula,
Good point.
The stator in pic and the one shown in running version are different. One with 12 and another with 8 magnets.
So Clanzer should make two versions, just to be sure.
The magnets on the rotor is also one variable, but I see that the tail of the V goes inside the legs and I think its important. (This is not shown in the 3D model)
Just my observations:
At one point in the video (about 1min 45s) the motor is shown running at speed on the granite counter top. It appears slightly unbalanced and its' vibrating enough to slowly creep over the top. However, this creeping appears to stop over a short time, indicating to me that the vibrations are lessening. I presume this is because the motor is slowing.
Of course I could be wrong and the motor could be accelerating and moving through a vibratory resonance mode. But when you look you notice several short high speed clips all edited together to give the illusion of a longer high spped run.
I am also dubious about the video because the motor is never shown being started and it's not shown running for long. I presume that the maker span the rotor up with a dremel etc and then quickly grabbed his camera to show a few seconds of high speed spin.
I am also amused by his photo montage in the video, it says (in german):
"The 100 biggest research scientists of all time"
and then there's his head nestling in the middle of some of the greats :D
Having said all of this, I hope it does work.
Quote from: Omega_0 on August 15, 2008, 09:49:55 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdWkn1m-4w
V - Gate shown running.
I think this could be the real thing
:)
The skeptics will say that it a V gate won't get past the sticking point in between Vs .
here is a video that shows that it can.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=g4hwqU1txAY&NR=1
This is not the best video ..... the one I was looking for had 3 Vs and the guy that made it started it many times each time from a different position . .........
The the video and this motor have all the same basic components
Both use stacks of magnets for one of the elements
I suspect that the width of the V at the pinch point and the exact spacing of the stacked magnets have alot to do with how smooth it gets through the sticky spot
gary
Hi Erfinder !
please make hundreds of these (I'm buying one - for resanoble price) "toys" and give us exact
dimmensions, magnet strenghts,so we can spread freedom further and so that
every student has it on its table drivig inhuman megalomania of oil companyes bezzerk.
Wiz
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=T41_fkVfFNI
Sorry for not posting replication details here, but it has been driving me mad this weekend with the Time Outs these forums are having.
But have been updating a thread over at my forums.
Second lot of glue has gone on this evening as as soon as it is set I will remove all the screws.
Used my Bowman Frame for now to mount it.
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Now gonna hit Post button and hope it does not time out ;D ;D ;D
Why is Einstein's head the biggest - Einstein was a douche. All he did for man kind was create the nuclear bomb! We all know how much that has helped us. Haha, maybe Erfinder is plotting something just as "helpfull"!!
The last clip in the video that showed the motor running, it appeared to have slowed down to me. I think this motor is just going to find a magnetically balanced location and sit there - like all motors of this kind. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Well back to mowing :(
Quote from: Charlie_V on August 16, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
Well back to mowing :(
Make sure you Strim those edges ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Charlie_V on August 16, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
Why is Einstein's head the biggest - Einstein was a douche. All he did for man kind was create the nuclear bomb! We all know how much that has helped us. Haha, maybe Erfinder is plotting something just as "helpfull"!
Don't blame the player, blame the game my friend. Einstein was just like one of us. He didn't want to obey some rules that were made by others. Instead he made his own that made complete sense in his head, then ignorant "scientists" will happily use and quote them like it's a religion. Say anything against it and your head is theirs.
Btw Clanzer been following your progress on the other forum as well. I noticed a thing though. What happened to the weekend only time you had ;D. It seems like you have time for this on a daily basis now.
Quote from: broli on August 16, 2008, 04:35:48 PM
Btw Clanzer been following your progress on the other forum as well. I noticed a thing though. What happened to the weekend only time you had ;D. It seems like you have time for this on a daily basis now.
Hi Broli
Just had a couple of weeks off work, so managed to catch up with house hold chores, cleaned up the workshop and mid this week managed to dedicate some time to my hobby, hence the activity ;D
Sad thing is I am off again this Monday and will be away from home 5 days a week again for the next few months :(
Was fun while it lasted, but need to go earn some money to feed the kids.
I look forward to my retirement where I can play full time, but that is a few years away yet :)
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on August 16, 2008, 04:39:19 PM
Hi Broli
Just had a couple of weeks off work, so managed to catch up with house hold chores, cleaned up the workshop and mid this week managed to dedicate some time to my hobby, hence the activity ;D
Sad thing is I am off again this Monday and will be away from home 5 days a week again for the next few months :(
Was fun while it lasted, but need to go earn some money to feed the kids.
I look forward to my retirement where I can play full time, but that is a few years away yet :)
Cheers
Sean.
In this case it's hard to suggest making money out of what you love most unless people would like to buy wheels and what not for their FE projects :p. But I believe there's always a way to somehow figure something out that would make you do this on a daily basis without worrying about money. I can't really speak since I don't have a family to maintain since I'm a young college failure who does nothing more than brainstorm about PM ideas and be highly unsocial :P. I even don't know what I'm going to do in a few months when college starts again since failing 3 years in a row makes you think about things.
Hi
I have been looking at this video Clip,I found it intirguing as it appears to show a proof of concept and so does calloways design.
Perhaps the Inventor George Soukup had the same thought which has crossed my mind.
If it works on a vertical plain then why not transfer the design onto a drum.Here we have the stator with only 3 rows of Magnets moving
one would deduce that you could apply this in reverse the way it should be for a rotational device in the first place.
Just my thought as my experience lies with electronics not Magnets , I am new to Magnets so please forgive and correct me if I am wrong.
Constructive Criticism please.
In any Case if this is the real thing all the credit must go to him . I know it can work because someone showed it to me. The Man was 80 years of age and I was 22 at the time and did not pay much attention to him having had other interests.
I wish I had done so in 1969 but thats 20/20 hindsight
All I remember a fairly large device 3 feet tall and about a foot wide that had the appearance of a ferris Wheel with magnetic strips glued onto rectangular Aluminum plates for either stator and Rotor I think the outside stator moved around the stationary rotor and from what little I seem to remember is that the plates could swivel but my memory may prove me wrong .He was a machinist from Austria and his workmanship I will always remember and admire.
I moved away and 10 Years later he was no longer around but I know that he knew a Ships Engineer to whom he had given a smaller prototype.
It took about a year of friendship before he finally had let me in on it and actually showed me the device which otherwise was hidden in another room that i never saw before. He was very frightened whenever someone was at his door. He knew what he had and his fright was sincere.
There is another Video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fhmiqiymBOY which may aid in the experimentation and replication of this motor.
I have high hopes and I think that this Video id not a fake also considering the facts of where it originated.
Professor.
Quote from: FreeEnergy on August 16, 2008, 03:47:25 PM
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=T41_fkVfFNI
Quote from: broli on August 16, 2008, 04:45:58 PM
In this case it's hard to suggest making money out of what you love most unless people would like to buy wheels and what not for their FE projects :p. But I believe there's always a way to somehow figure something out that would make you do this on a daily basis without worrying about money. I can't really speak since I don't have a family to maintain since I'm a young college failure who does nothing more than brainstorm about PM ideas and be highly unsocial :P. I even don't know what I'm going to do in a few months when college starts again since failing 3 years in a row makes you think about things.
hehe dun't worry about it mate I keep telling my 3 teenager kids, dun't worry about qualifications as I left school with no qualifications and have done alright in life.
Everyone has their calling in life and your qualifications are only good if you are actually interested in them. What is the use of studying something you do not enjoy, only to go do a job that you do not enjoy???? Fucked up huh?
I am self taught in everything I have ever done, from electronics to computers to engineering.
I come across something in life I want to do and I am reluctant to pay someone else if I feel it is with in my learning limits, so I just go learn it at the time I need it.
I do not need to know the whole picture of what my end goal is, I need to do this bit, I do not want to know all the inbetween bits, so I skip it and learn the bits I need to know.
Hope this makes sense!
Would love to do this full time, but then maybe the fun would go out of it if I did.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: professor on August 16, 2008, 04:49:22 PM
There is another Video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fhmiqiymBOY which may aid in the experimentation and replication of this motor.
I have high hopes and I think that this Video id not a fake also considering the facts of where it originated.
Professor.
Hi Professor
Now I just had a weird moment watching that video as at 1:00 minute exactly this picture popped up
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This is the exact spacing 15 magnets at 24 degree spacing I went for but based on a 80mm OD tube.
Spooky!
Cheers
Sean.
You know I was thinking, Erfinder use to post on this forum. His ideas and diagrams were nothing like this motor thats on youtube. I wonder if someone is trying to bash his name by putting up a youtube video, claiming to be him, and knowing full well that the motor does not work. Erfinder never seemed to be egotistical either. I doubt he would post a picture image of himself along with "great" thinkers.
Or maybe he has changed his research direction and became a jerk, but this is quite the change from his earlier persona.
Haha, well good thing to clear that up.
Okay Glue has set, what a bastard getting those screws out of the glue ;D
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Here is a video of some testing.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/germanmotor/CLaNZeRSandtheGermanMotorReplicationPart1.wmv
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: Erfinder on August 17, 2008, 03:46:27 AM
Case of mistaken identity. I haven't changed, nor do I have any plans on changing my persona any time in the future.....
Nice catch Charlie_V. The word Erfinder means Inventor in German. The individual who designed, constructed, and patented the motor under discussion was addressing a German audience. He was indicating that he is the inventor (erfinder) of the device under discussion.
For the record, I am an African-Native American Hybrid.....LOL.....
Regards
Hey I'm a Spanish (White), Taino (Indian), African (Black), and who knows what else hybrid! LOL
Sean
Thank you for your work.
orosado
Welcome to the Hinze 57 club.
I myself am a chunk of American Indian and most of Europe heritage. LOL
Quote from: CLaNZeR on August 16, 2008, 03:56:25 PM
Sorry for not posting replication details here, but it has been driving me mad this weekend with the Time Outs these forums are having.
But have been updating a thread over at my forums.
Second lot of glue has gone on this evening as as soon as it is set I will remove all the screws.
Used my Bowman Frame for now to mount it.
Now gonna hit Post button and hope it does not time out ;D ;D ;D
Attention at the 4 Magnets that are in your design "INLINE" next by next
BUT at "the origine motor"
they are offset ordered.
This cane produce an great differnce in working ...
Pese
Quote from: pese on August 17, 2008, 01:07:30 PM
Attention at the 4 Magnets that are in your design "INLINE" next by next
BUT at "the origine motor"
they are offset ordered.
This cane produce an great differnce in working ...
Pese
Yep I am making a ARC holder to position them in different ways, more to come yet :)
Cheers
Sean.
Clanzer,
In your video you are testing the magnets of the v-track with another magnet. Both Tracks are appelling. In the V-Track of the original video one Track is N, the other S
dani
Quote from: CLaNZeR on August 17, 2008, 01:09:00 PM
Yep I am making a ARC holder to position them in different ways, more to come yet :)
Cheers
Sean.
Your first hand aided rotation made me think of a new design. I'll post a rendition later on.
Quote from: dani1 on August 17, 2008, 01:40:00 PM
Clanzer,
In your video you are testing the magnets of the v-track with another magnet. Both Tracks are appelling. In the V-Track of the original video one Track is N, the other S
dani
Hi Dani
The two tracks on my rotor have N one side spiralling outwards and S the other side spiralling outwards.
Cheers
Sean.
@CLaNZeR: Wow, just visited your site, and I have to shout a big: RESPECT for your continuous work!
Did you also try the LaFonte design? For this is the first I actually think could really work, as it uses the force developed perpendicular to the field.
See here: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:LaFonte_Perpendicular_Magnetics_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:LaFonte_Perpendicular_Magnetics_Motor)
I think, if you attach a large flywheel and mount some mechanics, it should even be possible to make a passive device on this principle.
About this german motor principle. I think the key point is, to have as much stators as possible. If you think about it, if one stator is at the sticky point, it will only get past it, if the force developed by the other stators (which are currently obviously not at a sticky point) is stronger. So more stators should actually help. With 2 it will certainly never work! As the other stator surely does not have the power to get the other one past the sticky point. Actually you could calculate if it is ever possible, even with an infinite amount of stators, so that all the non-sticky stators develop more force, than the current sticky one.
A simple try would be: Take one stator and measure the force exhibited on the rotor at different rotor positions. Then you will quickly see, if it is reasonable that some stators together bring more force than the current sticky stator.
Oke I first wanted to make a 3d model but then got lazy so I just made it with good old MS paint, do mind that I did try to make the best out of it ;D.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fziosproject.com%2FNJ%2FmagnetPiston.PNG&hash=7e46c3e85fffa0403482554eeef41d3198178088)
Basically it's a piston laid on its side. Now I don't know how optimal this is but I think it might work best if you had two rotors with the magnet in the middle pushing the magnet back and forth and making each other spin.
@broli
Well I see something a little different. You can only do it for a short time, so working it like a piston takes it away to long. So in this case mu-metal may be your best bet. But I think I may have another idea as well, but it will have to be of a new approach which I had been working on and mentioned to Sean in personal message.
Here's what I meant btw...
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Abhammer this should solve the distance issue since both are using the magnet now at each distance. While it goes out to avoid one rotor's wall it accelerates the other to make it come back and restart the process.
PS: I know the drawing is horrific.
Quote from: broli on August 17, 2008, 04:19:55 PM
Oke I first wanted to make a 3d model but then got lazy so I just made it with good old MS paint, do mind that I did try to make the best out of it ;D.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fziosproject.com%2FNJ%2FmagnetPiston.PNG&hash=7e46c3e85fffa0403482554eeef41d3198178088)
Basically it's a piston laid on its side. Now I don't know how optimal this is but I think it might work best if you had two rotors with the magnet in the middle pushing the magnet back and forth and making each other spin.
Hello broli:
Good try with Paint. Why don't you use Google SketchUp, its free and easy to use:
http://sketchup.google.com/ (http://sketchup.google.com/)
Regards,
Omar
Quote from: orosado on August 17, 2008, 05:45:17 PM
Hello broli:
Good try with Paint. Why don't you use Google SketchUp, its free and easy to use:
http://sketchup.google.com/ (http://sketchup.google.com/)
Regards,
Omar
@orosado: I wanted to make a sketchup model but got too lazy :p.
Hay Broli
Send me your email and I will send you that AVI of that magnet wheel. I am at ab.hammer@yahoo.com
Hay Sean
Try a small roller cam on each side of the drum to push the draw magnet away just long enough to get past the sticky spot. Since it is on an attraction movement this should work good. (just a tid-bit from the AB goody box) This is what I am calling my idea box now. LOL
broli,
It will lock up and won't even turn a full turn by itself.
Sad but true.
Its like connecting two pulleys by belt and expecting that each will turn the other.
I think the motor is failing because his designs clearly show 4 poles on the outside and you are only using 2. The 4 may be the minimum required to overcome the v.
Craig.
QuoteI‘Il have more respect for the fellow with a single idea who gets there than for the fellow with a thousand ideas who does nothing.’
â€" Thomas Alva Edison
Spoken like someone who only ever had one idea. Edison was a douche... :D
Haha, sorry, I don't like Edison.
A troll. I like it. I also noticed the v gate is set up wrong, its for 3 poles and the arrangement must reach the outscurts of the polarised situation.
Is this thread dead already? The underlying problem with this design is that your magents situated around this drum are arranged with like poles forced towards each other. This will, unavoidably, over time kill these magnets. Sorry, just the facts man.
Looks like some people think otherwise:
"22. Will my neodymium magnets lose strength over time?
Very little. Neodymium magnets are the strongest and most permanent magnets known to man. If they are not overheated or physically damaged, neodymium magnets will lose less than 1% of their strength over 10 years - not enough for you to notice unless you have very sensitive measuring equipment. They won't even lose their strength if they are held in repelling or attracting positions with other magnets over long periods of time.
23. Will neodymium magnets lose strength if they are held in repelling or attracting positions for a long time?
In most applications, the answer is simply "no". If the magnets will be exposed to higher temperatures while in repelling applications, the answer is "possibly". The exact answer is a bit too complicated for a FAQ answer, and requires specifics about the application."
From the FAQs at a leading manufacturer of magnets:
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/faq.asp#time
Of course I suppose they could be wrong.
I wonder who I should believe?
Force-distance relation and properties of repelling Sm-Co5 magnets in orthodontic clinical use: an experimental model
Lars Bondemark 1 Jüri Kurol 1
1 Department of Orthodontics, Institute for Postgraduate Dental Education, Jönköping, Sweden
Correspondence to J. Kurol, Department of Orthodontics, Institute for Postgraduale Dental Education, Järnvägsgatan 9, S-553 15 Jänköping, Sweden
Copyright Munksgaard 1992
KEYWORDS
dental alloys • magnetics • orthodontic appliances • stress, mechanical
ABSTRACT
In recent years, magnets and magnetic forces have been suggested as an alternative to traditional orthodontic devices such as elastics, springs and wires. The purpose of this study was to analyze the reliability and the Output of forces for prefabricated orthodontic repelling Sm-Co5 magnets and the force conditions for the magnets after 5 months of maximal loading. The test-machine consisted of a jig where the tested pair of repelling magnets was mounted close to the clinical situation. With a cylindrical strain gauge transducer, a micrometer screw, a bridge-amplifier, and a Mingograph jet recorder, force-distance diagrams were constructed. The force-distance diagrams showed that the forceâ€"distance curve was hyperbolic and that the mean force when the magnetic pole faces were almost in contact with each other was 214. 9 g, SD 13. 42 g. The Variation of magnetic force between different Sm-Co5 magnets was 6â€"9%. The difference in force before and after 5 months of maximal loading of the magnets was not significant. The test results indicate that with proper handling of the forces according to the new force diagrams, the system is reliable for orthodontic use.
hhmmm. OK. All that I know is that I arranged some around a wooden cylinder and the ones that I had pressed into it had noticably less force after about a month than those I hadn't.
gregs78cam, that is interesting. I wonder if the wood absorbed some of the energy or if some else close by did.
@gregs78cam
Firstly, were you using rare earth magnets purchased from a reputable source? Secondly, did you actually measure the magnetic field with a Gauss meter or were you going on "the feel" of the magnets? There has been many times when months later, the magnets I had seemed to feel less strong. But after measuring them, the flux was exactly the same. The difference was I had started working with bigger magnets and the ones I used before did seem weak but their strength hadn't changed, only my reference point. I think it was probably all in your head man.
Got dragged away from this project and a couple of others due to intense normal work, but now back to trying to catch up.
Noticed Soukup been busy with new video's
3 days ago, like the idea of the CNC'ed flat polycarbonate to make the box and also shows the magnets better.
Notice he puts a link to the Blue PRints at the beginning of video, but looked at site and nothing there that I could see.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Xp5G0A3Ik
1 Week ago, wish I could understand German
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JsGQ8KkVHyo
3 Weeks ago, showing the Polycarbonate Cutouts to make box, is it spinning in this video?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pJpeaqKhAc8
Cheers
Sean.
Okay answers on a postcard please with regards Dimensions.
What do you reckon to A, B and C?
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Okay some more bits, wish the Video quality was better resolution.
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10 Magnets on the Stators? what size do you think?
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Size of the Rotor and magnets mounted on them?
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