Just part of the 'New Whorld Odor' preparations.
So sit back and give your DNA sample , then bend over and take your tracking chip.
Regards...
"The collapse of the dollar is no accident! This has been planned for decades as part of the New World Order. After the dollar collapses, the North American Union will be implemented and the dollar will be replaced with the Amero."
More here...
http://disinter.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/the-economic-meltdown-is-no-accident/
Of course, you're dead right.
Any monetary system that isn't backed by assets is doomed to corruption and failure, it always has been in the past and it always will be in the future.
The dollar is nothing more than a ridiculous Ponzi scheme, which only keeps running so long as you have marks to keep duping.
It's just common sense, debt based fiat systems require continuous growth in order to survive, thus they are doomed to failure in a world of finite resources.
The current financial crisis has a long way to play out yet, you see the whole system of derivatives is very highly leveraged, lots of different corporations make massive bets on leveraged derivatives, but they hedge against failure using opposite bets, this works fine until one player no longer has the funds to pay off their obligations, then the hedge breaks for another player and so the dominoes fall.
I suggest everyone invest in physical gold and/or silver, that's REAL money.
Also don't be fooled by the newspeak language of the media, when they say a failing corporation has been "nationalised" they really mean to say that it's gone bankrupt and we're going to get joe public to settle the books.
It's all just criminal behaviour, if any one of us got caught printing money we'd be severely repremanded, wheras the "federal reserve", which by the way is just a private corporation, has the right to print money willy nilly, it's just f*ckin RIDICULOUS!
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 20, 2008, 10:36:14 AM
"After the dollar collapses, the North American Union will be implemented and the dollar will be replaced with the Amero."
Yes Cap-Z you are correct. The dollar is being destroyed to usher in the Amero. It's all carefully planned and being executed like clockwork. It is very sad that although many people in the United States know exactly what is happening, there is little we can do about it. Talking to the average citizen of the United States is like talking to a rock. They have no clue and can't comprehend what is going on. All they care about is getting their "entitlements" without even understanding that the United States is broke and has been for a while now. With social spending through the roof and people screaming for more and more; all these people are just laying everything on credit. It is a shame.
Sadly, when history looks back on this generation of the United States they will see a bunch of
idiotic, greedy, drug-taking crybabies. Our manufacturing jobs are only a trickle of what they were, our ability to produce wealth is vastly gone, and most people are grossly in debt. We have stolen from our children's children's children. It makes me sick!!!!
I apologized to my sixteen year old son, but he doesn't completely comprehend why. I just wanted him to know that I tried to tell others, and only a couple ever understood and finally agreed with me. They too are now frustrated and sad.
Quote from: Yucca on September 20, 2008, 10:55:22 AM
I suggest everyone invest in physical gold and/or silver, that's REAL money.
Yucca, your advice is sound. Gold and silver are "real" money, but the United States government confiscated gold once already during the depression. They can easily do it again. They probably won't bother with silver, it's not as valuable; but I believe gold will be confiscated again.
Just my personal opinion, don't put too much value in what I write.
It's bizarre that America, even now promoted as an example of 'freedom' would have resorted to outlawing the ownership of gold in the past - anyone know when this law was recended? How did they enforce this confiscation then - forced entry and searching of peoples homes?
Quote from: ResinRat2 on September 20, 2008, 11:17:11 AM
Yucca, your advice is sound. Gold and silver are "real" money, but the United States government confiscated gold once already during the depression. They can easily do it again. They probably won't bother with silver, it's not as valuable; but I believe gold will be confiscated again.
Just my personal opinion, don't put too much value in what I write.
You're right ResinRat2, prohibition will probably be implemented on gold and maybe even silver because what's unravelling will make the old depression look like a walk in the park. I think/hope we'll be safer in Europe with regard to prohibition but if you want to keep gold safe in USA then it may be wise to stash it by burying seperate coins in seperate locations. I can't think of any better way to safeguard wealth during the times that may lie ahead, land and property is easily snatched as are bulky assets.
Quote from: Sprocket on September 20, 2008, 11:58:29 AM
It's bizarre that America, even now promoted as an example of 'freedom' would have resorted to outlawing the ownership of gold in the past - anyone know when this law was recended? How did they enforce this confiscation then - forced entry and searching of peoples homes?
Hi Sprocket,
It's a long read but this is an exhaustive account of what happend:
http://users.rcn.com/mgfree/Economics/goldHistory.html
QuoteIn short, on or before May 1, 1933, all privately owned gold in the United States (subject to a few minor exceptions) was to be confiscated by the Government. As compensation, the owners were to receive paper money, whether they liked it or not. Willful failure to submit to the confiscation was punishable by up to ten years in jail and/or up to a $10,000 fine
WOW! They don't even need to change any laws, I didn't know this:
QuoteThe Law Today
The precedent established in Pike and Brouwer remains the law of the land-at least in the Ninth Circuit-at the present time No other court of comparable jurisdiction has ruled otherwise on the validity of the criminal sanctions against Americans who own gold. As things stand now, an American who owns gold is courting a felony conviction. Moreover, under the Gold Reserve Act, all the gold he owns is subject to forfeit while he, himself, is subject to a penalty double in amount to the value of the gold.
didn't know that...
crazy....
My dad is a big survival nut i grew up listing to how the gov can collapse and what i should do an all that
but i thought it would never happen or a least not in my life time.
Now I'm a little nervous the economy is really in trouble. people should be able to be self sufficient cause when the water goes off and the trucks stop running.....
Anybody read "TEOTWAWKI"
or "LIGHTS OUT" good books, scary
Don't panic! This is not the end!
...but you can see it from here. :)
In case it hasn't occurred to anyone...they are already talking martial law when the crash hits...and if it happens soon, that means its open dictatorship with Bush at the wheel.
And we all know how many dictators leave voluntarily.
Its gonna be a long cold war-I mean winter.
Regards...
Habsburger:
Karl V,CarlosV
Joachimsthal
Silber
The silver-coin, called "Silber-Thaler", had been the standart value for our ancients in Europe and
with the colonization also for the "NEW World" !
The possession of gold was only allowed to the "nobilitas"-members !
The expression "Thaler" is now the New-English "Dollar", Pidgin/Kreole-German !
The "Wall-Street"-Sector is , in reality, also not more important:
the financial system is today 100% virtual, the headquarter could be a yacht in the caribic sea !
The problem:
They are giving credits to creditated "papers" about credits ,triple-leverage.
Do not take this men for serious !
1933: people like this Wall-Street"brokers" received tickets for "final holiday"-camps,
with mind and body concentration !
75 years later : which decisions ?
CdL
Yucca, thanks for the low-down. Double WOW, that's unbelieveable, more reminiscent of communism than capitalism! It's easy to be wise in retrospect, but that must have raised more than a few eyebrows even back in the 30's - enforced exchange of gold for paper currency, currency that was being issued not by the sovereign government, but by an independent bank!
Leaves you wondering if there has ever been a single high-ranking politician that hasn't been corrupt(ed)...
Largest bank to go under in US history.
http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx?articlepath=APNews\General-Business\20080926\Washington-Mutual-Future.xml&cat=money&subcat=business&pageid=1
JP Morgan company is buying everything up. You think there might be some coincidence here???
Washington Mutual was the bank that always advertised on TV and radio. Whooo Hooo -- WaMu!!!
Killed by all the rotten loans they made that were guaranteed by the US Government. Why should they have cared, loan to anybody and everybody, IT"S GUARANTEED!!!!!!!!!
Brainless idiots!!!!!!!!
Oh wait... that implies they didn't know what they were doing.
The scary part is, they know what they are doing.!!
Howdy Y'all,
Copper is the metal to own now. The price of copper has been going up because of all the infrastructure building. There are people stealing copper all over the place. We had a building here where I work broken into and they ripped out and stole all the copper wiring. Air Conditioner condenser coils are hot too. They will steal the entire compressor just to rip out the condenser coil and sell it for copper scrap. See those pennies that you were saving are useful after all. That may be all that is left of the economy after a while.
Do not forget that GOD is in control here. Everyone is so worried about the damn economy and I haven't heard a word about GOD here. GOD save us! GOD help us! Put you faith in GOD and not the damn economy...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
Do not forget that GOD is in control here. Everyone is so worried about the damn economy and I haven't heard a word about GOD here. GOD save us! GOD help us! Put you faith in GOD and not the damn economy...
Yes, God is in control; and anyone who looks honestly at the United States will see the evil that has been growing within this nation. From the destruction of tens of millions of unborn to the rise of perverted values and desires, this nation no longer deserves God's mercy. They flaunt their sins and deny The Holy Spirit on Youtube. They no longer understand what money is, or what freedom is, or even what their government is supposed to be. They ignorantly call it a "democracy" and try to steal as much of the government pie as they can. The whole system has become corrupted by greed and sin; and now the Dollar is crashing in its value. A symptom of excess spending, debt, and dumping the responsibility for it on their grandchildren. Evil to the max, evil to the core; the WWII generation and beyond no longer deserved or understood the gift of freedom they had been given. We have no one else to blame but ourselves.
Pray for God's mercy.
Just read this coming in. Calls to our Representatives are running an incredible 93% against the bailout. Representatives are frantic and don't know WHAT TO DO!!!!!!!!!!
Here's a hint: VOTE NO on the corporate bailout/welfare/thievery.
Could it get any clearer?
Now we will see who is really in control once and for all.
Howdy ResinRat2,
This is prophesy coming to pass. Those of us who have nothing have nothing to loose. But those with the artificially inflated wealth stand to loose everything. If congress doesn't pass the bailout their house of cards has folded. They have lost everything that they thought they had, but didn't really. An artificially inflated portfolio is just that, artificially inflated. It must suck to be someone who has nothing but financial skills right now.
For it shall come to pass that those who consider themselves to be bold and wealthy shall come to be destroyed. And those who are humble and follow the word of GOD shall find that they have inherited the Kingdom of GOD, for they are the meek and they shall inherit the Earth.
Jesus said...
â€Ã...“For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.â€Ã,Â
â€Ã...“If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me. If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake and for the sake of the Good News, you will save it. And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when he returns in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.â€Ã,Â
Blessed Be...
@ resin & monkey
God???
How does God figure into this??
Religion was the _1st_ politics that used fear of the God to enforce certain actions or keep you exercising from others, and I don't see how God can have anything to do with this "crisis", or its remedy.
The best religious saying I can think of right now is, "God helps them who help themselves".
WE did this through action or inaction, and God is not going to save us.
Now, if we start taking the major teachings of religion to heart and start thinking what consequences some actions might have (after 1min, 1 hr, 1day, 1 yr. 1 decade, etc.) in regard to our fellow man, THEN God will have a hand in our salvation or damnation.
Don't expect a rescue from God, but instead think of how living with the thought of how your actions will effect your fellow man can help you to walk "closer with God" and keep a situation like this from happening again.
EDIT:
Sorry gents.
I read it after I posted and I sound as if I'm attacking you.
What I mean is that by invoking "God", you immediately lead most people to thinking about religion, and the 2 seem mutually exclusive through what they say their about (God), and what they do (orginized religion).
Evidence there is a plenty.
You, or I ARE God when we ascribe to the teachings of God through our actions, and that is the only way I see God as having anything to do with our salvation.
I think all of us have a little bit of God in us, but it's up to us to allow that part of ourselves to effect our lives by how it counsels us to live.
May God bless you, and keep you, and make his face shine upon you.
@ all
As with all sensational events that have happened within the last 30 years, this event seems like so many others in the way that there is 1st a smaller incident, then a larger one, and then a larger one, ad infinitum.
It's like any good con. You feed the mark an ever growing situations of improbability until they will easily swallow the most outlandish circumstance with aplomb, and it seems that this is the situation that has been seen effecting many recent events.
Start supporting Kucinich's impeachment proceedings, or any other instance of the american people holding their elected officials or corporate officials to account for their actions and I bet it's a long time before another event like this occurs.
God should help YOU to do something! Not bail your ass out after you've been using it (your ass) as your thinking appliance.
This will keep happening as long as Corp. officers and politicians do not have to face any consequences of their actions.
Quote from: exxcomm0n on September 26, 2008, 02:11:47 PM
@ resin & monkey
God???
How does God figure into this??
To you, apparently not at all. To me, God figures into everything. Even when a single leaf falls from a tree.
All things that happen, occur because God "allows" them to happen, even evil happens because God "allows" it to happen; but out of that evil will come a greater good.
A simple analogy will explain to you my belief.
If there was a small child next to you on the sidewalk, with no parent in sight, and that child started to wander into the street where a car was approaching, you would have the power to stop that child from being injured or killed. In fact, if you were to allow that child to wander into the path of a car and that child was struck, through your inaction you allowed that to happen, you willfully allowed that to happen. Though you did nothing, you were responsible, in a way, for that action to occur.
In my view God is all powerful and can stop any act that occurs in this universe. If something happens, God has willfully allowed it to happen for a greater good. Whether we understand why or not, that is the reason for everything that happens here in this universe.
Whether you think I am right or wrong doesn't matter to me. Your opinion doesn't change my belief at all.
Howdy Exxcomm0n,
Uh, yeah, GOD works through men. GOD can even work through evil men. Of course we have to do it ourselves. But with GODs help we will be more effective. And were not talking about some sort of religious tomfoolery, I am talking about real spiritual power, through man of course. Maybe some space aliens could help too...
Blessed Be...
@ resin
Please see edit in original post.
Otherwise, we do seem to be on the same page. :D
"God" help us all in the coming times, as I don't think they'll be pretty.
imo, if there is an 'angle' to be exploited, the morally bankrupt will exploit it, be it religion, politics, sex etc. - this is the only 'system' most of humanity has been allowed to work with. Basically 'survival of the fittest', unless you have ties to the Illuminati - then you get what their trying to force through now, bail-out the 'fat-cats' whose own greed and stupidity landed them where they are now!
btw, though many will either consider it a lie, or at best, an 'inconvenient truth', much of America's prosperity has been a result of the worst forms of exploitation, with corporate America perfectly content to bankrupt entire nations and destroy the biosphere in the pursuit of money and power. So hearing people evoking Gods help now that things look dicey, whereas most were perfectly content to benefit materially at the expense of others for decades, strikes me as somewhat hypocritical, 'cos if there is anything to the "Law Of Balance", what goes around, comes around...
Anyone genuinely interested in how the "American Dream" really came into being should read "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman", penned by someone who ruthlessly performed the function of 'dream-maker' for decades! Incidently, the same guy (John Perkins) recently published another book that basically says that the US dollar's demise is a done-deal (and all that entails...)
Howdy Sprocket,
I agree that to live surreptitiously until the going gets tough, then ask for GODs help is hypocritical. I am not like that, thank GOD. I have been committed to the Forces of Light for almost 20 years...
Blessed Be...
Now we are seeing McCain drop out of a debate..."because of the serious state the economy is in".
If that were really the case, he would be recommending pulling the abandonment of the money pit wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
What an excellent opportunity to suspend the election though.
Reports are that 93% of americans, in calculated reaction to selectively aired opinion, are angrily against the the government using their tax money to bail out their rich, greedy, and shortsighted pals.
But I believe that is to seed rebellious thoughts leading to demonstrations.
This, of course, requires 'crowd control' measures...enter the boys coming home from Iraq.
See http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5633.0/topicseen.html
Next stop Marshal Law - New Whorld Odor...with Emperor Bush at the wheel.
Regards...
Quote from: Sprocket on September 20, 2008, 11:58:29 AM
It's bizarre that America, even now promoted as an example of 'freedom' would have resorted to outlawing the ownership of gold in the past - anyone know when this law was recended? How did they enforce this confiscation then - forced entry and searching of peoples homes?
I think it was rescinded in 1976, after Richard Nixon took us off the international gold standard in 1971. People with gold were required within a certain amount of time to turn it in. Gold became like drugs, only certain licensed brokers/dealers, industrialists, jewelers, physicians could purchase it. Coins, bulliion, bars, billets etc. were taken out of circulation and used for International commerce and payments. If you tried to purchase something with a gold coin, it was similar to counterfiet. A merchant couldn't deposit it in his bank. The bank, by law was required to nofify the FBI.
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
Do not forget that GOD is in control here. Everyone is so worried about the damn economy and I haven't heard a word about GOD here. GOD save us! GOD help us! Put you faith in GOD and not the damn economy...
Blessed Be...
That's exaclty right, God is in control. Ponzi schemes are only supported by the laws of nature and mathematics, sooner(hopefully sooner, LOL!) or later they collapse. God punishes the evil people of the earth, including banks, governments, the media, financiers and corporations. Study the story of Noah, like many of us we try and inform and educate the masses(sheeple) of what is going on, but they are only concerned with entightlements, "security" from the government, and the latest DVD video. Try as he might, Noah could not warn the people of the impending doom. When it started raining and God ordered him to secure the door on the Ark, it was too late, the destruction had begun. The same thing is happening today and will continue until Hell is paid. The Greater Depression has already begun(1 year ago) and will get much worse. The best we can do now is continue our Free Energy pursuit.
Quote from: Xaverius on September 28, 2008, 03:04:12 PM
I think it was rescinded in 1976, after Richard Nixon took us off the international gold standard in 1971. People with gold were required within a certain amount of time to turn it in. Gold became like drugs, only certain licensed brokers/dealers, industrialists, jewelers, physicians could purchase it. Coins, bulliion, bars, billets etc. were taken out of circulation and used for International commerce and payments. If you tried to purchase something with a gold coin, it was similar to counterfiet. A merchant couldn't deposit it in his bank. The bank, by law was required to nofify the FBI.
Hi. Yes, that makes more sense - there are just too many US companies selling gold for it to be illegal! A quick google confirmed as much:
QuoteWhen were gold restrictions lifted ?
December 31, 1974 ended the era of private U.S. gold ownership restrictions which had begun in 1933. As of January 1, 1975, U.S. citizens were again free to own gold in any form, including bullion, and in any amount that they can afford, without restrictions or any federal ‘reporting’ of those holdings.
btw, just heard on the news that Congress has forced through the bail-out despite over 90% of tax-payers being against it - so much for "the people have spoken"...
What has made our econemy fall is all the US haters comeing up with every friggin collapse scenerio and capaining for years and years and years consistantly like a brain washing marathon the bullshit was said so much and spread so much that people believed it would happen and then even more people believed now you have a belief system that gets passed on slowly but surely... Then bingo your investors and investment firms even start to believe in this type of shit everyone then jumps ship while the stocks fall and the guy who started it all seeks to be the next big rockafella or what have you ...
Its amazing the system is a belief system reminds me much of religion you believe this that or the other will happen ha!
I can not believe how the masses are consistantly coarsed into such radical beliefs and contrary to the popular vote...
I say the American Econemy is the only econemy that could suffer such a blow and continue down the road as an economic superpower...
If our dollar is worth something after all of this debt then tell me something interesting why is it that everyones dollar is almost just as worthless if not more worthless?
I knew it was comming mass publication has ramifications.
But this is your example of mass publication with this alien ship showing up?
Look at how many actually believe now watch there beliefs get shartered...
The belief that the US will fail or fall will be shatered just as easily as this!!!
WATCH !
@ Infringer
Dude,
The economic viability of the US has been set up for a fall since abandoning the gold standard.
Depression is not new.
It happened in 1873 and 1930.
But those times the gov't at least had a hard currency to trade with other countries.
I can usually trade gold for food, but it's much harder to do the same with an idea.
http://i36.tinypic.com/bgxun6.jpg
IMHO:
The "collapse" is an orchestrated event to sell the idea of the new Amero which will be 1 Amero to 2 old dollars. This is also the reason that US$ and CA$ are hovering around unity.
Only the top of the pyramid benefits in a pyramid scheme.
Quote from: Yucca on October 01, 2008, 07:55:47 AM
IMHO:
The "collapse" is an orchestrated event to sell the idea of the new Amero which will be 1 Amero to 2 old dollars. This is also the reason that US$ and CA$ are hovering around unity.
Only the top of the pyramid benefits in a pyramid scheme.
Why do people keep talking about a collapse. There is no collapse. We had a stock market and housing market corrections, and some banks made some bad bets and are now going under. Thee are plenty of banks still around. There will be no depression and no collapse. There may be a recession, but it won't be like after 1929. These are not the same times, and to compare them is gross oversimplification.
Quote from: utilitarian on October 01, 2008, 09:15:17 AM
Why do people keep talking about a collapse. There is no collapse. We had a stock market and housing market corrections, and some banks made some bad bets and are now going under. Thee are plenty of banks still around. There will be no depression and no collapse. There may be a recession, but it won't be like after 1929. These are not the same times, and to compare them is gross oversimplification.
I fear that you are grossly oversimplifying the situation.
There are indeed many differences between the current debacle and what transpired in 1929. For one the US$ is now purely fiat, absolutely zero asset backing. Also as obligations are defaulted, there is currently no firewalls or safety measures in place, no stop losses whatsoever due to zero assets. You must bear in mind that current day derivatives markets are VERY highly leveraged and finely tuned, one default HAS to and WILL cascade to cause other defaults and so on, that's just the maths pure and simple. Printing ones way out is just inflation dressed up to look otherwise.
The only solutions I can see to the current problem is to allow collapse and "free" market to sort winners from losers (unlikely as even the final "winner" will have net losses) or complete nationalism/communism i.e. one state bank, the books for which will not be disclosed. Either way it doesn't look good for the dollar, wheras changeover to Amero will give the illusion of a new beginning and it will allow the game to proceed again as it already has for a few more years, but it will strip every citizen of half their wealth unless they have the foresight to hoard commodities and keep them safe.
I'm intersted to hear some substance to your argument, I really am. And don't get me wrong, I am not hoping for economic meltdown, but at this point it looks inevitable and it also looks perfectly orchestrated. The pyramid on the dollar bill with the eye of horus at the top is not just a coincidence.
I suggest you do a little reading about the history of money, then you will see how systems that seperate themselves from assets will ALWAYS fail, they always have throughout history. Just because the dollar has been given the sheen of Hollywood does not make it impervious to this inevitable rot. When the large holders accelerate diversification out of the dollar then we will really start to see the "collapse" and that is already happening. Chinese central banks are talking alot about diversification out of (dumping) the US dollar. The more dollars get printed the harder the final fall.
The REAL REASON For The Bailout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqIFoBXGizc
Howdy Carbide_Tipped,
Good information. $700B, that's a lot of greenbacks. I would hate to have that go into foreign, potential enemies hands...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: Yucca on October 01, 2008, 09:27:23 AM
I fear that you are grossly oversimplifying the situation.
There are indeed many differences between the current debacle and what transpired in 1929. For one the US$ is now purely fiat, absolutely zero asset backing. Also as obligations are defaulted, there is currently no firewalls or safety measures in place, no stop losses whatsoever due to zero assets. You must bear in mind that current day derivatives markets are VERY highly leveraged and finely tuned, one default HAS to and WILL cascade to cause other defaults and so on, that's just the maths pure and simple. Printing ones way out is just inflation dressed up to look otherwise.
The only solutions I can see to the current problem is to allow collapse and "free" market to sort winners from losers (unlikely as even the final "winner" will have net losses) or complete nationalism/communism i.e. one state bank, the books for which will not be disclosed. Either way it doesn't look good for the dollar, wheras changeover to Amero will give the illusion of a new beginning and it will allow the game to proceed again as it already has for a few more years, but it will strip every citizen of half their wealth unless they have the foresight to hoard commodities and keep them safe.
I'm intersted to hear some substance to your argument, I really am. And don't get me wrong, I am not hoping for economic meltdown, but at this point it looks inevitable and it also looks perfectly orchestrated. The pyramid on the dollar bill with the eye of horus at the top is not just a coincidence.
I suggest you do a little reading about the history of money, then you will see how systems that seperate themselves from assets will ALWAYS fail, they always have throughout history. Just because the dollar has been given the sheen of Hollywood does not make it impervious to this inevitable rot. When the large holders accelerate diversification out of the dollar then we will really start to see the "collapse" and that is already happening. Chinese central banks are talking alot about diversification out of (dumping) the US dollar. The more dollars get printed the harder the final fall.
I understand about derivative plays, and I am sure there has been alot of that, and this is what is causing a good bit of the problems. I just do not think the effect will be as disastrous as to constitute a collapse.
You bring in a criticism of the non gold-backed dollar. I would not mind a return to the gold-backed currency and have no quarrel with that. But you are combining a couple of things here. There is no indication that the U.S. government intends to simply print currency to get us out of this jam (in essence creating a back-door tax). Absent evidence of this, I do not see how this is relevant.
In sum, my prediction is that there will be enough banks left standing to provide credit to most of those who need it - though perhaps not to all those who want it. And I am sure mortgage and other lending practices will be tightened up and this will cause some problems for people, but we will all get through it. The stock market will suffer, but people are generally not leveraged 10 to 1, like many were during the late 1920s, so there should not be as many people falling out of windows. Most people should be able to hang on to their jobs, and while there will be some belt tightening, as a whole, we should survive this just fine.
Quote from: utilitarian on October 01, 2008, 12:16:41 PM
I understand about derivative plays, and I am sure there has been alot of that, and this is what is causing a good bit of the problems. I just do not think the effect will be as disastrous as to constitute a collapse.
You bring in a criticism of the non gold-backed dollar. I would not mind a return to the gold-backed currency and have no quarrel with that. But you are combining a couple of things here. There is no indication that the U.S. government intends to simply print currency to get us out of this jam (in essence creating a back-door tax). Absent evidence of this, I do not see how this is relevant.
In sum, my prediction is that there will be enough banks left standing to provide credit to most of those who need it - though perhaps not to all those who want it. And I am sure mortgage and other lending practices will be tightened up and this will cause some problems for people, but we will all get through it. The stock market will suffer, but people are generally not leveraged 10 to 1, like many were during the late 1920s, so there should not be as many people falling out of windows. Most people should be able to hang on to their jobs, and while there will be some belt tightening, as a whole, we should survive this just fine.
Indeed there will be belt tightening, and of course most will survive this. A financial collapse doesn't necessarily mean poverty for all, just means big changes.
Anyway, my recomendation don't get into S&P or DOW just yet because the bottoms not quite in yet.
" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqIFoBXGizc "
Thanks CT...that's it in its simplest terms.
That little clip makes it easy for even the least informed to understand...those who "do not understand" obviously have an agenda other that truth.
Regards...
Lets just go along with mcCain and cough up a trillion for the rich folk so they can get richer. ;) No need for the peoples' approval, he found a great loophole.. mcCain, bush, obama, all the same...Gonna be a heck of a month..Good thing they brought in the soldiers to keep the peace..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI21rCfRgTs
I was listening to the radio today, and the newscaster was interviewing an "expert" economic analyst. His advice to the federal government was to "restock" the banks with money. How about that!!!! Just print up what you need, dump it in the banks and everything will be just grand.
The irresponsible banks that made the irresponsible loans that created this mess should be "restocked" with cash so they can make more loans and get the economy moving again.
I don't need any more proof that this crisis is INTENTIONAL and meant to crash the dollar so the Amero can make its debut. Everybody can be a millionaire, but a loaf of bread will cost $1999.99 US dollars.
The newscaster blurted the obvious implication that this type of action would vastly increase the debt. To which the "expert" answered, "True, but unfortunately this is necessary to get the economy moving again."
What a load of fly-attracting cow pies!!! So it's necessary to jack up the debt to save us? Anybody who believes that is an ignoramus. Which includes most of the empty-headed blockheads in our government.
Not a happy day for the US, that's for sure.
Howdy Y'all,
Loaning money into the economy is assuring our destruction. The politicians know this, the bankers know this, and the Illuminati know this. The only way to SAVE the economy is to pay money into it. Pay money to individuals so that they can pay off their debts and not have to pay interest. Usury, interest, and taxation are literally killing the USA. The only way to get out of this crisis is to declare usury, interest and taxation illegal. Without loaned money people wouldn't be able to rack up unimaginable debts in the first place. Then we would have to worry about bailing out people who are leveraging 5 times more than they are worth on paper. When people need money give it to them, don't loan it. Make the stipulation on the given money that they pay it forward and help out someone else. Without loans there is no debt. Everything about the current banking scheme works backwards from the way a sane and rational society should work.
Kill the Federal Reserve and 90% of the problem goes away...
The treasury can issue the money it prints just fine by itself...
Blessed Be...
@ Z
While I heartily agree that the abolishment of the Federal Reserve would go a long way to solving this issue, it will take the belt tightening mentioned above to get through it.
Oct. 14th is looking pretty good, eh?
@ Resin
What will be the fiduciary backing for the Amero then if the fate of the dollar ends up dead due to being issued without backing?
I'm curious as my understanding of the concept of the Amero is very small.
@ all
I forwarded the link provided by Cap above in an email to my representative in congress with a message that he would not receive my vote if he rubber stamped such an abomination.
Also, that he should read ALL of such legislation to make an truly informed decision on such an important issue to the financial future of the United States (yes, I know that these things can be hundreds of pages long, but IT'S HIS JOB!)
These people are supposed to be public servants and it's time we started treating them as such to remind them. It doesn't impress me that he/she might have a bigger car, or my employs more people than I do because "I'm" paying for it.
What I am NOT paying for is the gov't to restock banks with dollars that are now 1/2 of their former value to bail out special interests and speculators who they empowered with lax oversight and insured debt reimbursement.
If you are a US citizen, please take the time to let your congress person know your views on this matter.
Let them know we're watching......CLOSELY!
Why don't all of you doom and gloomers who think the American dollar and the American economy will collapse just put your money where your mouth is? Short stocks and go long on gold.
Me, I am looking for stock market bargains. I am betting on recovery.
Let's check progress in two years and see who is farther ahead.
Quote from: utilitarian on October 02, 2008, 12:57:43 AM
Why don't all of you doom and gloomers who think the American dollar and the American economy will collapse just put your money where your mouth is? Short stocks and go long on gold.
Me, I am looking for stock market bargains. I am betting on recovery.
Let's check progress in two years and see who is farther ahead.
It's a deal, I am long PMs.
If you think the bottom is already in on financials and industry then you are in for a rough ride.
Quote from: utilitarian on October 02, 2008, 12:57:43 AM
Why don't all of you doom and gloomers who think the American dollar and the American economy will collapse just put your money where your mouth is? Short stocks and go long on gold.
Me, I am looking for stock market bargains. I am betting on recovery.
Let's check progress in two years and see who is farther ahead.
Hi utilitarian,
Selling everything for gold is a stupid idea, and anyone who puts all his eggs in one basket is asking for failure. So I agree with your sarcasm there. Here is an article that was written back in February:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55601
Now tell me the whole market mess and credit mess was not engineered specifically for the purpose of devaluing the dollar and masking the inflationary burden that would result. The recession was planned! A deep recession was PLANNED!!!!! This is my whole point. Look at the title of this thread. The meltdown was no accident. The wealth of those of us in the United States is being deflated and stolen by our government.
My patience with people who don't understand money and what money really is can be really short. I am an old fogey at 48 years old and I get tired of explaining it to others. The whole system of the fiat dollar of the US is meant to steal wealth from its citizens under the guise of inflation. Those who understand that realize what crime is being committed by those in charge of our government. They are taking away our wealth and freedoms bit by bit with each contrived crisis.
"I forwarded the link provided by Cap above in an email to my representative in congress with a message that he would not receive my vote if he rubber stamped such an abomination."
Thanks for raising a dissenting voice exxcom...but keep in mind that you are dealing with an intellectual prostitute.
A little belt tightening is much preferable to a collar tightened around ones neck.
Regards...
Quote from: ResinRat2 on October 02, 2008, 07:47:36 AM
Hi utilitarian,
Selling everything for gold is a stupid idea, and anyone who puts all his eggs in one basket is asking for failure. So I agree with your sarcasm there. Here is an article that was written back in February:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55601
Now tell me the whole market mess and credit mess was not engineered specifically for the purpose of devaluing the dollar and masking the inflationary burden that would result. The recession was planned! A deep recession was PLANNED!!!!! This is my whole point. Look at the title of this thread. The meltdown was no accident. The wealth of those of us in the United States is being deflated and stolen by our government.
My patience with people who don't understand money and what money really is can be really short. I am an old fogey at 48 years old and I get tired of explaining it to others. The whole system of the fiat dollar of the US is meant to steal wealth from its citizens under the guise of inflation. Those who understand that realize what crime is being committed by those in charge of our government. They are taking away our wealth and freedoms bit by bit with each contrived crisis.
No, the whole market was not engineered specifically for "devaluing the dollar and masking the inflationary burden that would result." If you look at what happened in the financial sector, it can be explained by poor regulations and selfish and short-sighted actions on the part of many individuals. This combinations of independent self-serving acts is what caused us to be in the mess we are in.
If you think there is a "plan" behind everything bad that happens in the world, well, you will find some video on youtube to back up your assertions. But sometimes, bad outcomes are not coordinated, they result from independent actions.
You didn't even read the article!
That's fine, you believe what you want.
Once again it is a roadblock of what one wants to believe. I believe it is time to stop dumping our debt on our children. What they are doing is the same as giving someone who has already maxed out a dozen credit cards another credit card to keep spending with. If you believe that's fine then good for you. I think that attitude is insane and the epitome of irresponsibility. Don't make me laugh.
It's that same attitude that has gotten us into this mess. We don't need more Federal regulation. We have enough Federal regulation in our lives. Of course the more the better for you. Maybe they should start regulating what you spend too. Then they can save you from yourself in case you are not smart enough to regulate your finances yourself.
See, this is the attitude of someone who thinks creating money out of thin air is fine. You are dumping your debt on your children. What a fine gift to give them for their future. Apperently nine TRILLION dollars in debt so far is fine with you. Jack it up higher dude. Spend more and more. Who cares. Our children can worry about it.
This generation of Americans still has no clue.
Howdy Y'all,
Apparently congress doesn't give a crap about what the people think, they are going to pass that bill anyway. This shows us where their affiliation is, greed and not doing what is right. Despite the overwhelming popular response to kill the bailout package, they are going to do what the wealthy want. Uuulgh...
Blessed Be...
Very telling and interesting how some do not wish to acknowledge that the "bailout" is being orchestrated behind the scenes by the very same foreign bankers who stole all the profits in the first place.
Once again proving that liqueur, whore's, and coke don't grow on trees.
Regards...
Everyone needs to call their Congressman once again and right away and let them know that you are firmly against the $700 billion dollar wallstreet bailout. Tell them not to put this burden of debt on us and our children. Let them know you are serious!!!!!
Do it NOW!!
Should have read --
"Once again proving that liqueur, (WHORE)'s, and coke don't grow on trees.
Hmmm, maybe if I was a little more attentive to the proof reading duties I wouldn't be blowing so many punch lines.
Regards...
The screws are being turned.
More here...
http://ca.youtube.com/user/kdenninger
Howdy Y'all,
Do you ever wake up in the morning and say to yourself, "I think I'll be a puppet of unseen forces today!" ???
I just love it when THAT happens...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item146
Blessed Be...
You wouldn't have a centrally aligned version of that article wood you z ?
That one is really a challenge to read.
Regards...
Howdy Cap,
Sorry, thatz all I got...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on October 02, 2008, 12:50:41 PMforeign bankers
I'm not that sure that nationality is such a factor in this (I could, for example, imagine that even US citizens would be able to hide behind "foreign" structures). It's probably more like "we the people" against some "small" number of others, since it will have impact on the whole world and affect almost everybody in some way or other. If I remember correctly, CNN at some time had replaced "foreign" with "international", right?
Some more words of "wisdom" to chew on a while:
ââ,¬Å"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.ââ,¬Â
-David Rockefeller, Bilderberg 1991 (Baden-Baden Germany)
Wow! Serious budget cuts because of the bailout draw.
I guess our troops will have to make due ;D
Quote from: ResinRat2 on October 02, 2008, 01:29:48 PM
Everyone needs to call their Congressman once again and right away and let them know that you are firmly against the $700 billion dollar wallstreet bailout. Tell them not to put this burden of debt on us and our children. Let them know you are serious!!!!!
Do it NOW!!
Too late. The Senate version was 700 billion plus an additional 150 billion of pork barrel add projects to get other senators that were going to vote no to vote yes. Take about buying votes..
http://www.smartmoney.com/pundits/index.cfm?story=House-Set-to-Vote-on-Earmark-Laden-Bailout-Bill
Think the House will react differently. Think again. They will just add more pork barrel to benefit themselves. Think another 150 billion. So we are up to a trillion. No problem they will just print more money. Yep...We the people are so screwed..
Lets see.. Another couple banks are failing so they are being sold at fire sale prices. A few years ago I read an article stating that the government wanted to get the banking system down to just a few large banks that they could easily control. Looks like that is happening. So you really think this was just accidental.. Think again.
Quote from: exxcomm0n on October 02, 2008, 12:47:08 AM
@ Z
While I heartily agree that the abolishment of the Federal Reserve would go a long way to solving this issue, it will take the belt tightening mentioned above to get through it.
Oct. 14th is looking pretty good, eh?
Howdy exxcomm0n,
The "Earth Allies" working with the Galactic Federation have been making war on the Illuminati's financial base, international banks specifically in England, Germany, China, and Australia. This is exactly where this bailout money is going. The Illuminati's funding has been critically cutoff and they are demanding that the people of the United States (specifically) reimburse them because the bulk of the resistance to them is coming from the United States. Even if they get this bailout package it is not going to help them much. There is an overwhelming amount of light permeating their dark holdouts. The Illuminati are basically toast, once the remaining pockets of resistance are eradicated then we will see a new, fair, honorable financial system put into place by the Earth Allies. This new financial system is based on wealth and abundance, and not debt and greed like the Illuminati's centuries old system. This is the dawn of the Golden Age of Humanity, there is no place for the Illuminati to hide, they are done, toast....
Blessed Be...
Well FannieMae and Freddie Mac's were created in the 1930's under Roosevelt's socialist New Deal to give financial support to thrift and savings banks and to fund mortgage loans issued by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). They were created to make home ownership more affordable but over the years they both turned into socialist tools to get people who had no means to own homes into home ownership. These two programs encompassed more than half of the failed mortgage loans in the current crisis.
It was the United States Federal Government's socialist policies that caused this crisis. Now they want to throw more money at it and still keep people who can't afford their homes in place. What a crock! I even heard one newscaster reporting that student car loans are being thrown into it too. The only policy changes they will make is to draw more money from the Federal coffers. They are coming in with their additions to this bill and feasting like flies on a dead body.
Yep, print up more paper cash to cover it all and dump it on the almost $10 Trillion dollar debt that we have already accumulated. What a horrendous crime they are committing, and we are dumping the bill on our children. It makes me sick.
As if all this mortgage thievery isn't enough, look what the Automobile Manufacturers are trying to sneak in. THEY want a bailout TOO!!!!!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76478
Come on United States! How much more are you going to put up with???!!!
Howdy ResinRat2,
Everybody wants a piece of the American Pie. While were at it can I get a couple Billion for my small electronics design business. I figure that's not too much to ask for since everyone else wants hundreds of billions...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: ResinRat2 on October 03, 2008, 12:41:28 PM
As if all this mortgage thievery isn't enough, look what the Automobile Manufacturers are trying to sneak in. THEY want a bailout TOO!!!!!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76478
Come on United States! How much more are you going to put up with???!!!
And while they are at it California needs a 7 Billion dollar bailout.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/california.loan/index.html
Yep.. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. The dollar is going to be so worthless. No need for the Grandchildren paying for this. It will not last that long. Just like the banks the country is going to be so broke that it will go to the highest bidding other country... Lets see... The United States of 'insert country name here' ?? .
LOOK AT THIS ARTICLE FROM CNN IN 2004.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/
Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S.
Looks like he has achieved his goal and US Government was happy to help. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion and you are powerless to do anything about it... We are all so screwed. Not just the US but everyone. Endgame..
Hi folks,
have a look at this :
http://www.prisonplanet.com/hoax-bank-closure-story-peddles-bailout-propaganda.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/hoax-bank-closure-story-peddles-bailout-propaganda.html)
Hal Turner is a FBI-Desinforman-Agent driving people crazy.
Regards
Kator
That is just more distraction tactics...courtesy of CNN - - who are owned lock stock and barrel, by the very same criminals responsible for the mess.
Just update the list below quouted from an above post with the name CNN...
ââ,¬Å"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
Here are some more dots to connect for a fuller picture.
http://www.corbettreport.com/
Regards...
The bailout passes the house and will get signed... Lets take a little look at what got added to the House bill.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/house.bailout/index.html#cnnSTCOther2
"The bailout plan has new provisions, including an increase in the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. cap from $100,000 to $250,000. It makes $250 billion immediately available to purchase bank assets, leaving $100 billion at the president's discretion and $350 billion subject to congressional review."
Wow.. $ 100 billion at the president's discretion. Of course he will sign it... Nice bribe...
Its getting out of hand even for Washingtion. The origonal plan from the treasury sec. was 3 pages, now its over 400 pages? what pet projects do you think were added?
Oh well at least we arn't talking about Sara Palin any more
Quote from: vonwolf on October 03, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
Its getting out of hand even for Washingtion. The origonal plan from the treasury sec. was 3 pages, now its over 400 pages? what pet projects do you think were added?
Oh well at least we arn't talking about Sara Palin any more
They do not even care or hide it. The rats are draining everything out of the ship before it goes down when they could have patched the ship enough to get it to a port to fix it correctly. Pure greed.. Lots of pet projects added. There was a short list on CNN for a short time before it got pulled. Does not matter anyways as the country will be bankrupt and the dollar will be worthless.. Depressing times ahead...
Can you even imagine what you can fit on 400 pages?
The rich dudes are dancin' ...
The taxpayers are hangin ...
...... Game Over.
Might as well get your money back into the market everyone, it's going to be great...for a while that is.
We get to party up and spend the new dollars they just created.
I can hear it now... "Stock market up... Economy robust... credit up... etc, etc...
Thanks to the crooks members of Congress.
Until the next wall we hit; and the National Debt continues to skyrocket. Whoooo Hooo.
"The origonal plan from the treasury sec. was 3 pages, now its over 400 pages? what pe"t projects do you think were added?
This may be a clue...PORK for the yes supporters.
Yup...more bribes...likely sprinkled with threats no doubt.
After all...this is the playoffs!!!
Regards...
Well...it didn't take long to find the threats.
Regards...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8
Yow I might of been alittle behind, the Senate's version was 400 pages. God only know what the house added? I cant even emagin spewwing out that much crap that fast but I guess they get paid per letter
Hey, just for kicks how bout we put some carbon tax stuff in this nifty bill, oh, it's already in there cool......
If you look at page 180 of the 451-page monster bailout bill that easily passed the Senate yesterday (PDF here)http://banking.senate.gov/public/_files/latestversionAYO08C32_xml.pdf (http://banking.senate.gov/public/_files/latestversionAYO08C32_xml.pdf), you will see that it includes at Section 116 language about the tax treatment of "industrial source carbon dioxide." It also provides, at Section 117, for a "carbon audit of the tax code."
SEC. 116. CERTAIN INCOME AND GAINS RELATING TO IN2
DUSTRIAL SOURCE CARBON DIOXIDE TREAT3
ED AS QUALIFYING INCOME FOR PUBLICLY
4 TRADED PARTNERSHIPS.
5 (a) IN GENERAL.ââ,¬â€Subparagraph (E) of section
6 7704(d)(1) (defining qualifying income) is amended by in7
serting ââ,¬ËœÃ¢â,¬Ëœor industrial source carbon dioxideââ,¬â,,¢Ã¢â,¬â,,¢ after ââ,¬ËœÃ¢â,¬Ëœtim8
ber)ââ,¬â,,¢Ã¢â,¬â,,¢.
9 (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.ââ,¬â€The amendment made by
10 this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment
11 of this Act, in taxable years ending after such date.
12 SEC. 117. CARBON AUDIT OF THE TAX CODE.
13 (a) STUDY.ââ,¬â€The Secretary of the Treasury shall
14 enter into an agreement with the National Academy of
15 Sciences to undertake a comprehensive review of the Inter16
nal Revenue Code of 1986 to identify the types of and
17 specific tax provisions that have the largest effects on car18
bon and other greenhouse gas emissions and to estimate
19 the magnitude of those effects.
We've turned a regular tidal wave into a tsunami by paying to move the shoreline back a few feet.
If every there was a time for a new clean energy technology, it's now.
It might be the only thing that can save the american citizen in a year.
Pray for good fortune, but start making some adjustments towards self sufficiency in the ways you can now.
Quote from: exxcomm0n on October 03, 2008, 05:22:44 PM
We've turned a regular tidal wave into a tsunami by paying to move the shoreline back a few feet.
If every there was a time for a new clean energy technology, it's now.
It might be the only thing that can save the american citizen in a year.
Pray for good fortune, but start making some adjustments towards self sufficiency in the ways you can now.
Doubt that it will last a year. The self sufficiency is a really good idea as when things go south again they will go in a hurry.
Grow hemp...bio diesel, nutrition, and about 20 some thousand other applications.
Regards...
There is a safe way to get rid of the Fed,
Ron Paul endorses these guys
http://panacea-bocaf.org/bankingreform.htm
Better yet...make the Federal Reserve the FEDERAL Reserve...not a tool of manipulation for big banker fraudsters, like it is presently.
If a monetary system is actually workable...too hard to police if you ask me.
I believe a modified barter system is the way to go...makes it hard to be an arse dragger that way.
Regards...
Howdy Y'all,
Grow hemp, and chiles, and tomatoes, and onions, and lots of other stuff, but mainly hemp.
Don't forget barley and hops....
Blessed Be
Quote from: z.monkey on October 03, 2008, 09:26:14 PM
Howdy Y'all,
Grow hemp, and chiles, and tomatoes, and onions, and lots of other stuff, but mainly hemp.
I've always seen self sufficiency as part of the solution and not part of the problem.
Now it's not as much of a choice as necessity.
Grow what you need and like to eat and other things for entertainment and ancillary products (hemp = paper, fabric, and oil (as well as a pleasant diversion).
Quote from: z.monkey on October 03, 2008, 09:26:14 PM
Don't forget barley and hops....
Barley is a little tougher than hop on account of the needed growing area and volume.
You need a powerful space of land for barley, then the malting and roasting is not w/o a learning curve and energy expenditure.
But the reward is the fine ever growing smile of your neighbor that just traded you 2 months of beans for a nights entertainment.
;)
Booze is expensive to brew (pots, hours of boiling, large acreage, etc.). ;)
Quote from: z.monkey on October 03, 2008, 09:26:14 PM
Blessed Be
May we be be so honored ;)
http://panacea-bocaf.org/hempproduction.htm
In the meantime the barn is still burning.
Notice how none of the political slugs shoved in our faces are addressing the billions pissed away daily on a false flag war.
Instead they like to make references to "national security...playing on fear.
And that is because both "candidates" are owned by the same criminals bent on financial destruction and a New Whoreld Order.
Regards...
And the defence budget just as big, but not a word of worry for that hole in the bank. Why would they worry? The panic artificial, just as the whole fucking govt, from Forrest Gump to Osama bin Barack. The government just has to issue the order to one of the nine approved banks to print more money and declare it internal debt. "democratically" the government never has to pay the intenal debt and in return for that luxury it allows the aforementioned banks to PRINT their own money. If a bank has 10 billions of the profit, the bank can PRINT another TEN BILLIONS to reward itself for being a good imperialist bloodsucker.
That only happens in the fucking bad USA. No other country in the world, recognised as a "capitalist democracy" (yeah, democracy my arse, don't make me laugh) does that because that is AGAINST the very same "democratic capitalist" economic foundations.
The biggest internal debt in the world is that of the USA. It dwarfs the internal and external debts of whole South America put together, yet they are in deep economic shit and the USA is "prospering" beyond belief. If the country (the shitty bad USA) were to follow the actual "economic rules" of their own "democratic capitalism", the USA would crumble today and turn into the poorest country on earth just because of the size of the internal debt. Of, course, that cannot be possible because "we are the leaders of the free world", and capitalism is the "best" economic system in the world and we cannot show that that is just a LIE, now can we?
The USA has been in recession since the "great depression" and it has never recovered. Only because of the continuous large investments in the army and infrastructure (hidden behind the private companies directly or indirectly in hands of the politicians), which is straight from the book of Marx and other communist economists, the failing system has survived to this day. To do that it had instigated numerous wars to keep the defence "industry" working, and created a paranoid fear among it's own citizens against the communism and then against everyone who was not with them. Because "if you are not with us, you are against us!".
What a fucking stupid way for a "democracy" to think and act, no?
And now they are preparing another world war (that stupid wannabe vice-prez which from the north already talking up the war with Russia if they touch "our" friends...).
A revolution within the USA is long overdue. And a break-up into smaller independent countries would be useful too. But, now we sadly depend on Russians to help us with that, coz' scared and brainwashed USA citizens would never be able to do that themselves. Not enough brain and guts there any more.
Sad, sad, sad...
From the dumb down effects of TV and news propaganda and neuro toxic fluoride poisoning, there are few free thinkers left in north america.
All very well organized I might add...why else would they want all those Bush backed nazi "doctors" and scientists.
Regards...
To further a reference to Rockers 'The Propeller Heads' in another thread...here is a quote from the group which applies to the grand deception...and it really is "just another case of history repeating".
Take note the date...
September 11, 1973.
The country was Chile.
The event...the bloody overthrow of a democratic government.
The criminals were...Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, The CIA, and Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet.
Pepsico, ITT, and other large U.S. corporations were also guilty parties in these crimes against the State and against The People of Chile.â€
http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html
Such synchronistic numerology is prevalent among satanists by the way.
Regards...
I dont know about this guy, but it sounds like they didnt had a choise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5kPovnZKg :o
He mostly right about the threats...but then, if you have any integrity you resign your position instead of caving in to the threats.
Unless its all about the money.
They all should be charged with treason.
Regards...
test
Howdy Y'all,
This is Christ Sananda's (Jesus) take on the economic meltdown...
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/nesara_updates_galactic_federation_ii.htm
Blessed Be...
Sunday September 28th, 2008
Message of Esu Immanuel Sananda through Jess Anthony. Taken from: http://abundanthope.net/pages/article_2090.shtml .
Jess: Esu, I ask today for specifics. I ask for your comments on the financial mess the US is in and also on the continued resistance and political naiveté that is evident in the general public. I ask for guidance on what we should do during this time, and I request a possible scenario of what we should most likely expect to happen so that we can prepare and anticipate events to come. Give me insight so that I can best discern what I should do for my own progress.
Esu: Jess, I am here. This is a trying time with climactic events hanging in the winds of change. The money situation has finally come home to America, and the public is beginning to see some glimmer of the immensity of the problem that several generations of lawmakers and financiers have created. The public has been taken for a ride, so to speak, and their hard earned resources have been taken from them by illegal means that have benefited none but the few miscreants who have devised the system. This complex financial history has been clearly explored and explained in the works of [Christopher] Story and others. Each writer’s version is personal, of course, and the events emphasized are those most crucial to their own way of thinking. They speak to those aspects that hit home most with their own conception of the global financial imbroglio. That is a good word to use because it suggests the arcane and hidden convolutions that the public doesn’t see.
The concept of a “bailout†is mind-bogglingly inappropriate and misguided by the lawmakers who should be watching out for the country’s best fiscal interests. Its passage would doom the taxpayers to generations of debt beyond what they already have acquired through fraudulent financial promises. This is of course not in the best interests of the global economy, let alone that of the United States, which is supposed to be a beacon and model for the rest of the world. The trillions of dollars of debt that have been manufactured and passed on to others through sleight-of-hand bookkeeping are finally becoming known and are now required to be fiscally accounted for.
The political system playing with the proposed “bailout†is flawed and useless as a method of representation for the best interests of the general public. The preconceptions of the electorate have been ignored and bypassed for many years in favor of supporting an elitist self-interest and a money-grabbing handful of powerful controllers. The process is an empty tool to be used for other purposes than what the Constitution proposed and laid out in its structural description.
The candidates are to a one selected and manipulated by other controlling interests that have personal wealth and self-consideration at the forefront of their political thinking. The views they espouse are carefully rehearsed and spoken with a calculated nuance to evoke public sympathy and support for a range of seemingly divergent political viewpoints. Their opposition is calculated to draw in as many supporters as possible who will vote for what is essentially the same platform despite the two-party affiliations that are represented. The election is a sham that serves the financial interests of the few who control the world’s money and use conflict as a distraction for earning more. The sentiment for peace that is in the minds of the majority of the global inhabitants is played with and colored negatively by the few who control all the media. The public’s access to a range of unedited thinking and opinion is non-existent except for a few sites and sources on the still-uncontrolled Internet. Thankfully the public is waking up to this and is beginning to search for answers to the questions they are beginning to ask which are not responded to satisfactorily by the traditional streams of information.
Let’s say this will not continue much longer. This is a nebulous answer, again, but the factors are not all in place or completely resolved enough to end the string of objectifications that have been created in the thinking of those who are working for their own interests in opposition to the wishes of Christ Michael. I tell you to look carefully at the decisions that are being made today and tomorrow and see how much opposition there is in the minds of the general public. Look to see how much the turmoil is the product of a few with self-interest determining their choosing. War is for their benefit, not that of political stability. Financial instability is for their benefit by allowing confusion to hide their pocketing other peoples’ money. Political campaigning is a charade that masks the intent of a small cabal to continue to control world events. It is time for all of this to stop. It is now that the world must say “No.â€
If people would not support the status quo, even by just thinking in opposition and outlining an alternative scenario, this would generate the positive energy necessary to trigger action in opposition. Physical action is also the outcome of the thinking of many in opposition. The refusal to accept more is poised to fall into definite conviction. Indecision is ready to be decided.
My suggestion to you personally is to be calm and balanced in favor of change and insist that your thinking is support of new initiatives. As you go about your day-to-day activities, look at them and see the reasons they are selected. What is the benefit they will achieve in terms of change? What is the mindset you need to view them this way? How much negative emotion and fear is still connected with your thinking in these situations? How much responsibility are you accepting? Are you blaming others, or are you viewing this situation as something you allowed to happen to you?
When you do these things and are comfortable with yourself and your choices, then you are a clear example for others to use as a model for themselves. Your positive Light is illuminating the darkness that is still around you. Your actions are more and more working to strengthen this brightness.
I say to you to maintain your hope and insist that the visions you have, become reality. Ideas become the future when you begin to make them do so. It is your ability and your power that causes this to happen in your life. No one else creates what happens to you. You must acknowledge that you are responsible for assembling all the ingredients of personality and Christ Michael’s inspiration that you have been given in one package to explore the path you have accepted as yours. You were created to learn and make choices for him. Do not disregard or demean this gift and this extraordinary power you have. Use it to create all you need.
Esu on this day of September 28, 2008.
Someone on page one of this thread asked when the USA made it legal for its citizens to own gold again.I know that Nixon made it legal to own gold again(about 1972 I think).So from the 30's to the 70's you were a criminal if you had gold in your house.Triffid
After the german "Hypo Real Estate" organisation debacle this weekend Gold is showing massive volatility with a good tendency to the upside:
Driving force up:
European middle money takes flight to safety.
Smaller driving force down:
Call options being followed through in order to cream profits. Alongside central banks selling bullion, but the central banks are running out of steam to do such and will run out of expendable bullion later this fall.
With regard to stocks, S&P and DOW are not looking so good and this is only the beginning.
Also EU is passing a bill that will limit citizens withdrawal limits from banks, reminiscent of Argentinia in 2001, you may also notice that European cash dispensing machines are "mysteriously" out of order.... ::)
Sit tight folks and purchase plenty of food tins and dried pulses/rice etc. Me myself... I live in a wooded area near the coast and I have plenty of airgun pellets and hooks and line, I think my family may well be eating pigeon and fish cooked on a solar cooker this winter ;D.
I read once that if you have a job the best thing you can do through a depression is to keep it(if it doesn't dump you first).Even during the great depression there were people with jobs.But the millions that didn't have them went through great misery.Also I look at the gold thats still in the ground and still dissolved in seawater.I know it takes work to extract it but I figure I can go get it when I'm willing to do the labor.Yes I went through a gold panning phase in my life and all the gold is still in the ground or rivers where I found it.So maybe its false hope but it gets me through the day.Triffid
I really like the idea of solar cookers .triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 06, 2008, 12:55:44 PM
I really like the idea of solar cookers .triffid
Hi Triffid,
Oh yeah! they're great! Simplest construction:
- Get a cardboard box approx 2ft x 2ft x 1ft tall.
- Fold the flaps inside so you have double thickness walls.
- Line the entire inside with aluminium foil.
- Put a black pan or pot (<=1ft diameter ~6in high) inside containing your food (you can also use empty food tins blackened outside with soot)
- cover cooking pot with black top or you can leave open.
- The pot should be stood on a wire rack or wire stand made from coathangers etc.
- Lay over the top of the box a normal flat glass sheet (window glass).
- Angle the box toward the sun, in the winter months you may need to modify your wire rack so that the pot is parallel to ground while the box is angled over more.
- You will be suprised at just how much heat this generates on a sunny day (even in the winter at noon), be careful not to burn your fingers!
Best, Yucca.
@ Yucca
We will see.....Pigeon supposedly is pretty good....but, I would not eat the ones in cities unless I had to, too many toxins in the city for the pigeons, makes them not so good for eating...
Personally, I'm worried about water....I have not got money for a large stock, any ideas?
Maybe a purifier or something, I dunno.... (sigh)
I think I'm gonna move out of the city as soon as I can, and try to be as self reliant as I can.
Texas is a big state, better off than some I guess..
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on October 06, 2008, 01:34:34 PM
@ Yucca
We will see.....Pigeon supposedly is pretty good....but, I would not eat the ones in cities unless I had to, too many toxins in the city for the pigeons, makes them not so good for eating...
Personally, I'm worried about water....I have not got money for a large stock, any ideas?
Maybe a purifier or something, I dunno.... (sigh)
I think I'm gonna move out of the city as soon as I can, and try to be as self reliant as I can.
Texas is a big state, better off than some I guess..
The texas southern coast would be best, fish is great and easy to catch using spear fishing or baited hook and line, even kelp is nutritious and can be served as greens next to the fish(soak in freshwater for a day or two and then rinse and boil). If you eat your fish real fresh then you don't need to cook and it is in fact better for you, it's just that we have all been conditioned to prefer soft mushy cooked stuff.
For fresh water you only need find (or dig to) moist ground or sand:
http://www.ehow.com/how_12584_make-solar-still.html
I'm sure you will be fine, in fact I'm sure you will carry others.
All the best, Yucca.
A Fresnal lens is good for solar ovens too!
Thanks for the vote of confidence Yucca ;)
I forgot about that one! I have seen it before, very handy.Thanks!
im gona get a few pieces of plastic for my kit.
Mostly Im worried I might not get out of the city be for the poop hits the turbine. And I'm afraid my girl wont want to leave when its time to go to the country. Once again, we will see what happens, hope for the best and prepair for the worst..
But i did order some organic rice and beans for storing-
Everybody should have a little to keep alive when you cant buy food cause the truckers cant afford gas or whatever.
And it wasn't planned ??
Then where did these 2007 Amero's come from ??
Yes thats Amero's...the new currency for the North American Union they've been planning also.
The same deal Obama's wifey is up to her elbows in.
Anyway give a listen to Hal Turner for a breakdown of the fraud, and see his shiny new (2007) Amero coin...which I am officially dubbing 'The Unie'...in mock deference to Canada's 'Loonie'.
And no, I wasn't referring to PM Stevious Harper...although its a natural assumption...he would be more of a 'Bush Lite'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge2J2lNusJs
Regards...
If this things spreads across the pond, and the British people don't go along with the "bailout" scam, you might start seeing things like this.
http://i33.tinypic.com/5ot4j9.jpg
Regards...
its already hitting the fan cap-z-ro, every were you turn you hear about workers being layed off, weve had to lay 3 more off today.
The goverment over here seem to be playing it down but the knock on effect has started.
The queen commited treason on more than one occasion with forcing us in to the EU but thats ok because she got rid of the treason laws before she signed us over.
big mac and fries please your majesty :(
Her inbred son would look good at Burger King. :)
Regards...
I
think the link has been posted in another thread already but it seems to fit here too:
Zeitgeist: Addendum
http://zeitgeistmovie.com
2008, 123 minutes
Quote from: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/statement.htm[...] The second film, Zeitgeist: Addendum, attempts to locate the root causes of this pervasive social corruption, while offering a solution. This solution is not based on politics, morality, laws, or any other "establishment" notions of human affairs, but rather on a modern, non-superstitious based understanding of what we are and how we align with nature, to which we are a part. The work advocates a new social system which is updated to present day knowledge, highly influenced by the life long work of Jacque Fresco and The Venus Project.
Ugly...
http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/
Red accross the board, BIG losses, MUCH more to come.Feel sorry for anyone hoping for a recovery and "putting their money where their mouth is".
Gold seems to be just fine though thankyou very much ;D.... EXCELLENT! I´m so glad I don´t hold any paper stocks, I just hold a modest number of gold and silver coins. But when this collapse is finished one will be able to buy a good sized house for one gold coin.
This isn´t 1929.... OH NO.... THIS IS 2008!
Quote from: Yucca on October 08, 2008, 04:16:12 AM
Ugly...
http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/
Red accross the board, BIG losses, MUCH more to come.Feel sorry for anyone hoping for a recovery and "putting their money where their mouth is".
Gold seems to be just fine though thankyou very much ;D.... EXCELLENT! I´m so glad I don´t hold any paper stocks, I just hold a modest number of gold and silver coins. But when this collapse is finished one will be able to buy a good sized house for one gold coin.
This isn´t 1929.... OH NO.... THIS IS 2008!
Yes, there is much suffering across the board. This means buying opportunities, but the less risky way to approach this is to wait for the bottom.
As far as the value of gold, the dollar is actually doing well. This is because people are rushing to buy T-Bills. Still, gold is probably not a bad investment right now, but as we all know, there are no sure things out there.
Finally, while I realize that your theory of buying a house for a gold coin is somewhat in jest, the underlying premise is flawed. Even if the dollar declines, that does not mean that houses will become cheap relative to gold. A house would likely still be worth as many gold coins as it is worth now.
@utilitarian, I can only advise caution when picking your bottom (lol :D that sounds funny), But seriously, I only wish that you do well.
Also in post war germany a good house could be had for 1Oz gold. FACT! When you realise just how little gold is above ground you realise it's potential. Modern governments have and are trying to devalue gold, it's a threat to the fractional reserve game. I don't doubt that gold will rise 100fold, maybe even 1000fold, it is the last safe haven for wealth to flee to.
For anyone wanting a no nonsense account of exactly what modern "money" is then please do watch the following video, it has no sensationalism or exageration in it, it is not some fringe "conspiracy theory" it is PURELY FACTUAL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dpJL6ANnV0
With regart to T-Bills, I can understand why poeple would think long term bills are safe, after all it'll all come back up in the end right? WRONG, it will not, long term bills are just further debt instruments, fractional reserve banking can only continue with ever expanding energy and material supplies, it doesn't just need constant supply, it NEEDS expanding supply, if you understand fractional reserve you will understand this, it's like a fire raging out of control it WILL burn out.
The only thing that is worth investing in is inflation, it is the only thing that will go up. Stock up on real goods.
NOTE:
My wife tried to transfer 2000 euros from her own german bank account into a spanish account using online banking, she was only taken to an information screen stating "your money is safe with us, we will honour your request as soon as possible, blah blah", that's it, no transfer was conducted as it usually has been many times in the past. Needless to say she is now beginning to wonder exactly how safe her money is.
Quote from: Yucca on October 08, 2008, 07:03:37 AMFor anyone wanting a no nonsense account of exactly what modern "money" is then please do watch the following video, it has no sensationalism or exageration in it, it is not some fringe "conspiracy theory" it is PURELY FACTUAL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dpJL6ANnV0
This is a clip from
Zeitgeist: Addendum (mentioned above and in another thread).
Quote from: orbs on October 08, 2008, 10:30:51 AM
This is a clip from Zeitgeist: Addendum (mentioned above and in another thread).
Thanks for the heads up, I will check the full video out.
thanks for the solar cooker info yucca.I put a voltmeter to a crystal radio set I put together from a radio shack kit.After I could hear a station I got .04 volts!!!free electricity to do something with?Triffid
Sorry Orbi but thats the way it is.
I know a lot of people are deliberately burying their head in the sand.
Very hard times are ahead. What you knew and depended on is going to vanish like a snow flake.
You better not belive in George Bushes god or you will meet the same end as him and his chronies.
Quote from: triffid on October 08, 2008, 12:25:11 PM
thanks for the solar cooker info yucca.I put a voltmeter to a crystal radio set I put together from a radio shack kit.After I could hear a station I got .04 volts!!!free electricity to do something with?Triffid
Triffid,
Not entirely free, but free to you, if the station stops transmitting you will lose your juice. However a signal diode will rectify thermal junction noise, even in a faraday cage, but you need large arrays of diodes and very sensitive voltmeter to measure it, this has been tested and verified, there has been talk though of using nanofab to create massively parallel junction arrays that would give useable potential output. There was a guy always going on about it on the Steorn forum, his name was Charlie, he always finished his posts with the word "Aloha" :)
Yucca.
Thanks for the info yucca.I know too that you can get up to 10x the power a solar cell is rated for by shining up to 10x the sunlight upon it.It (the solar cell) will survive because a gust of wind comes along to cool it down.So use more solar cells and more reflective materials in your outdoor survival kits.Triffid
Here may be one reason the economy is going south ;D This was posted by Gotoluc in another thread--thanks Luc.
Quote@everyone, you must all look at this video presentation and reflect as the message is real. We need to work together as we are doing here to fix what we have let them do to US.
Video Link: http://www.storyofstuff.com/index.html
Now think about this, the economy is based on consumption and if it ever ends the economy collapses--it's that easy. The worst people think it's going to get---the worse it gets because they slow down consumption. But it is a fact that at some point we are going to run out of things to consume like natural resources or third world countries will refuse to "give away" there resources for us to consume. So it is not the economy that is a problem it is our flawed perception of the world we live in, we were born to consume to the bitter end without any thought of the consequences. Is there a way out of this? LOL, you know the answer as well as I do, how many people do you know that would be willing to moderate there consumption or become environmentally neutral, LOL----None. So there is the answer you already know, there are too many people on this planet and something has to give, it is only a matter of time.
Reported on AP wires today:
"The late burst of selling Thursday on Wall Street sent the Dow Jones industrials down to 8,579, crashing through the 9,000 level for the first time in five years and wiping out $872 billion of investment value."
They are almost at the 8,000 mark, and it is their goal as I showed earlier, to get below the 8,000 mark to induce a DEEP recession and stop the inflation in its tracks. This is PLANNED and the article was written back in February:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55601
We are almost at the bottom folks, and then the power grabs will increase incredibly. Look for the Fed to take over and control much of the money exchange structure of the United States. This could spread worldwide. Iceland is cracking down and power grabbing now too.
An old Chinese proverb from the past comes to mind: “May you live in interesting times.â€
These are VERY interesting times indeed.
Howdy ResinRat2,
You bet this was planned. This is the NWO trying to corner ALL the markets. They have another thing coming...
Blessed Be...
Yeah,
The United States no longer Super-Duper...now just going to be a pooper-power.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080928051428.0ck569s5&show_article=1
The harder we fall...
NWO Rising...
Pooper-power is not so bad. Methane generators are almost free energy...
Hey US Citizens,
We got to wait till all the stupid die and vote for honest people who love USA, that will finally get elected,and not be supressed like Ron Paul is!.
I'm tired of waiting to be jetson.
We're flintstones burning fossilfart.
I think 90% of officials are corrupt, selfish, diabolical pupets.
Stop voting for the status quoe .
Peace
"GERMAN FINANCE MINISTER STEINBRUCK INADVERTENTLY LETS THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG"
"The United States is bankrupt and is essentially in the hands of its creditors"
the financial crisis is not attributable to the widely ballyhooed Subprime Mortgages, but...
"HOLDERS OF HIGHEST U.S. OFFICES ARE SPECIFICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CRISIS"
More here..
http://www.worldreports.org/news/177_german_finance_minister_confirms_settlement_cash
i can hear people thinking,"it's a good time to buy or maybe we should wait til it drops a little lower"...wealth holders will buy debt at rock bottom price because of the debt holders need to "liquidate"...the loophole is that these institutions are ficticous allowing the money to be taken out of the system in one name and reinserted in another...one man's crisis is another man's advantage...the problem with the u.s. economy is that mortgages were struck at above average market value,insured at above average market value...and the consumers are living on a shoestring budget,gas prices and insurance hikes caused this recession...everyone is operating on credit...and they spend more than what they make...if you are a lender and nobody can pay you back you can jack up the charges all you want and play hardball but you can't get money that's not there no matter how hard you squeeze...so the real problem is greed...if you don't give the slaves food and a place to live then the whole system breaks down...so housing,energy and food prices are the problems...peoples basic needs are not being met because someone projected their profits based on money that's not there and then spent it all...so if they are broke everyone's broke...that's just the way it is...
I found someone in hawaii who built a $500.00 house made out of found materials,like old wine bottles and reused windsurf boards come together with telephone poles(they will burn like crazy if they ever catch on fire),discarded solar water heaters,metal stairs from a century old sugar cane mill,and even a fish smoking box in the kitchen.the magazine's favorite detail? The elevated flatbed of a pickup,transformed into a place for a good night's sleep!!!I am looking at the pictures and I am jealous!!!Get creative people,go to the libraries for ideas!Triffid
The house is small with a loft and was built on her dad's property.
I knew i was headed for trouble when I bought my first house in 1992 and the bank was able to turn a $35,000 house into a $105,000 debt.But I signed anyway like most other zombies.Triffid
That $500 house I was talking about is on page 80 of the nov.,2008 issue of "DWELL".triffid
Yes,the pictures are so pretty.Triffid
Its 9/11 steps all over.
Problem
Reaction
Solution
Interesting how the markets responded to the EU's move at stemming the blood-letting - the Dow had it's highest-ever advance today - compared to the markets tanking when the US plan was finally approved! It would appear that even the US markets realise the greenback is living on borrowed time...
The down-side of the EU move is that if this doesn't work (they appear to have thrown everything, including the kitchen-sink at it!) - we're screwed!!!
Quote from: z.monkey on October 03, 2008, 09:26:14 PM
Howdy Y'all,
Grow hemp, and chiles, and tomatoes, and onions, and lots of other stuff, but mainly hemp.
Don't forget barley and hops....
Blessed Be
Sad thing Zmonkey is executive order http://standeyo.com/News_Files/Exec.Orders/EO.12919.html
gives FEMA the right to take your stuff and redistribute as deemed necessary in time of crisis.
Fractional Reserve banking allows banks to loan out 10 times what they hold on average. (rates vary slightly according to assets and the loan risk). This is actually money made out of thin air.
There is no reason why a bank can't bail itself out using this method, but actually there is never any need for a bank to ever need bailing in the first place. All of these financial breakdowns and crashes are engineered by the world banks to allow foreclosures on loans. WHY?
Did you know the Federal Reserve is a private company? Do you know why they like recessions?.
Because when a person pays their mortgage in full, the banks get the interest plus the original stake. But when they foreclose on a loan, they get everything paid up to that point, and the whole property. It is much more profitable to foreclose, but they need an excuse the public will accept, Usher in the recession and call in the loans.
If this sort of thing interests you check out http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html (http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html)
That to the point post makes the whole process easy for anyone to understand SM.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on October 15, 2008, 05:11:49 PM
That to the point post makes the whole process easy for anyone to understand SM.
Regards...
:)
So what are we gona do about it?
What CAN we do about it?
Money makes money.
Money does not make goods and services. Governments instead of propping up the moneylenders and gamblers and killing people in futile wars should buy up the energy companies and invest in liquid fuel synthesis from renewable scources.
This would give countless millions jobs that would actually benefit the human race.
Investment in shit people need not what these hard ons want. Wind solar thermal all pipelined into your local power plants. Politicians are so concerned about whose fucking who their minds atrophy. They have to be the most uncreative beings in the Galaxy. Dicks with ears.
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on October 16, 2008, 09:51:39 AM
So what are we gona do about it?
What CAN we do about it?
A revolution is in order.
It is our faith in the value of money which allows for the corruption connected with it. We need a value shift. We need to value each other and acts of kindness more than cash. We need to exchange things between us, without using money, as much as possible.
To begin with, we need to spread the word that the whole economic system as it stands is a con. As it is, most people work their whole lives not realizing that collecting taxes is unnecessary, much less realizing the need for a fair currency.
There needs to be a demand for change, before it happens. People need to know the truth.
Currency is necessary for exchange, but the profit being gleaned off it is not. The Green Back Dollar was produced interest free. Why not all currency? The more people asking that question, the closer we get to a fairer system.
As it is, the current system benefits a handful of people, at the expense of everyone else. Do you think that's right? What have this chosen few done to deserve a chunk out of every dollar?
What do they provide in return, except interest demands?
Time we woke up!
We need to move past what "government" could, would, or should do to rectify this situation.
There is only one thing short of a revolution that will motivate these political whore's to abandon their corporate pimps and start acting in the interest of the public...and that is a couple of public lynchings.
These creeps are planning for depopulation...and they are so sure of themselves and arrogant the sociopaths even documented their discussions on the murderous plan.
Yes its time to wake up from whatever stupor you are in before they come for you...today's version of the Jew...and all the 'trouble makers' who voice their displeasure with their new lives.
I mean how much of this story line does a person have to watch before they figure out they are watching a shabbily written and poorly acted soap opera that never changes.
Don't forget, these people are all intermarrying, which therefore makes them inbred's - dumb as donkey's...and getting dumber with each birthing.
Which is why every major crime they commit is sloppily done and poorly covered up ?
They can't do anything right...they certainly can't lie.
The only thing they have holding them up is the posse of criminally insane sociopathetic experts in manipulation that they recruit to maintain their false public image...in exchange for various positions of power.
Regards...
Your answers here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5831.msg132386#msg132386
Quote from: supermike on October 15, 2008, 02:05:52 PM
If this sort of thing interests you check out http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html (http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html)
An interesting site. Is this book available as a regular book-type book? I am thinking of
the problem of Christmas presents since that season is looming, now that Lidl have started
selling their marzipan and Xmas puds.
Quote from: Paul-R on October 17, 2008, 12:09:20 PM
An interesting site. Is this book available as a regular book-type book? I am thinking of
the problem of Christmas presents since that season is looming, now that Lidl have started
selling their marzipan and Xmas puds.
I think you can get XAT Live Tax Free in bookshops in the UK but as it is free on the net, why buy it?
http://www.brasschecktv.com/index.php?call=category&id=27
GP
The meltdown is not an accident it is a product of capitolism. If you keep on making money just by saying you have money and the people pay you back money with more money then you gave them in the first place you have to invent the money so the money supply inflates. Pretty soon you need a handful of money to buy an apple because some asshole who does nothing made money with his old money which at one time was the invented money. Money and trade have been merged by idiots who can't tell the difference between goods and services and bullshit. There should be two forms of exchange. Bullshit dollars that can buy you bullshit stuff like expensive cars and whores and whatever selfish people need to get a hardon. Then there should be realdollars that can only be used to purchase things that everyone needs like food and fuel and shelter. When you get a job you opt for the bullshit dollars: live a bullshit life and stay out of the real world markets.
Quote from: supermike on October 19, 2008, 04:46:39 AM
I think you can get XAT Live Tax Free in bookshops in the UK but as it is free on the net, why buy it?
...because there is no way to convert an ebook into a decent
presentable Christmas gift. I have checked with Waterstones,
and they do not have it in stock but can get it in. (Another neat
book for Xmas presents is the rather out of date "The scientist,
the madman, the thief and their lightbulb").
Paul.
Global Analysis...
http://www.worldreports.org/news/178_the_corrupt_octopus_has_been_severely_wounded
I don't think it is that complicated. The flimflam companies that insure loans never had the cash to insure shit. Like all the banking industry they pose to have the money. You want to get out of this crisis. Tear up ALL the paper. Ban the sale of financial slavery. If I didnt have to pay these thieves I could spend some of my slave money on goods and services. Hell I'll even buy stock in a company that does more than a debt salesman does. You want to buy a house. Pay the owner for the house screw the banks. You want to buy a car. Pay the guy who is selling you the car. Why do we need banks at all?
Now they are writing and remembering about/of Karl Marx and Meynard Keynes.
Marx condition,1848: no land/female ergo no vote= no "VOICE"( note strictly: not this "voice")
Keynes ( not to write about his own - gambling experience- ) condition,1944 :
"gold"-standart : you know, the "pari- Paritaet- equivalence- in Germany , bull and bear, bG-nutrition,
you remember: look for the symbol of these spoken currency nominations :
YEN,DOLLAR,EURO,POUND
I think that many people worlwide has to learn to emphaize the difference between
I. constitution = 3.priority
II. Constitution = 2.priority
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III. CONSTITUTION = PRIORITY
Primate,Primas,Primat only in the "primitive" dschungle equivalent
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I just want to go on the record with this prediction: After the US elections have passed we will see an acceleration into global inflation culminating in a complete overhaul of the financial system. To guard wealth in these times will require physical holding of tangible assets: land, property, commodities etc.
Total Cost of Stimulating Economy: $9.7 Trillion
The federal stimulus package would raise the government’s commitment to solving the economic crisis to an astronomical $9.7 trillion â€" enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation’s home mortgages.
The commitment is composed of about $1 billion in stimulus packages, about $3 trillion in lending and spending, and $5.7 trillion in agreements to provide aid, the New York Post reported.
The House has approved an $819 billion stimulus plan, which needs to be reconciled with the Senate’s package of at least $780 billion.
The total value of home mortgages in the United States is calculated at $10.5 trillion by the Federal Reserve.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, said on the Senate floor last week: “We’ve seen money go out the back door of this government unlike any time in the history of our country.â€
'Porkfest' Will Crush Economy, Rep. Ryan Says http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_stimulus_pork/2009/02/10/180104.html (http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_stimulus_pork/2009/02/10/180104.html)
When the dollar is worthless a redeemable 'Amero' will be readily accepted...along with the new 'North American Union'.
Once that is done your freedom to leave the continent and return to your own home will be subject to the scrutiny of others...with the all too real possibility of being detained, harassed, or arrested by an over zealous or predatory customs officer.
I know of what I speak in that regard, as I live in a border town and stopped crossing to the US because of the unwarranted scrutiny being given to local residents and tourists alike.
When they are not molesting children they spend their time planning converging events to manouver us into a position of total dependence.
Why do you think the farmers in north america are unable to prosper ?
In the near future only the large scale farming operations will be the source of food products...making it easy to control the supply.
People who do not know how to grow their own food will be at the mercy of their suppliers...muck like the common junkie is to their pusher.
If the food supply is cut off it will not be safe in the city.
Regards...
Quote from: A-Z-ro on September 20, 2008, 10:36:14 AM
Just part of the 'New Whorld Odor' preparations.
So sit back and give your DNA sample , then bend over and take your tracking chip.
A...
"The collapse of the dollar is no accident! This has been planned for decades as part of the New World Order. After the dollar collapses, the North American Union will be implemented and the dollar will be replaced with the Amero."
More here...
http://disinter.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/the-economic-meltdown-is-no-accident/
Sorry, I guess I might have looked further down the archived list of pages, since this is what I said when I started my thread, which is still at the top of the list.
I did say several different things in greater detail than this thread, though.
--Lee
Fucking power mongers all want to be God. Guess they were left out of the decision making process at home too many times. I want to be likemy daddy. My daddy treated people like pieces of shit including me. I am so dumb and unaware I guess I just have to copy him. Goeson from generation to generation one fuck up after the next.
the rich people always understood,
that the fiat dollar, would eventually doom them.
the only reason why they switched to the fiat dollar around 1971,
is because they took a HUGE gamble,
trying to implement their world domination plans.
and they needed maximum economic activity,
to help them pay for their world take-over attempt.
but now,
enough rich people,
are tired of the economy burning down to the ground.
the rich people are nowhere close enough to taking over the world.
yet if they don't stop the fiat stuff,
they are afraid that they will lose most of what they have.
so they want to make a new currency, which is backed by gold.
(whatever the currency will actually be called).
and instead of trying to dominate us with financial illusion systems,
they want to dominate us with technology.
but i don't expect their
chemical saturated processed foods,
RFID chips,
or other nasty little toys,
to be anywhere as effective at enslaving us,
as the financial illusions were.
which means that once the currency is metal-backed again,
the maximum possible control over us,
will be much lower,
than it is right now.
there will still be control bullshit.
but it won't be nearly as effective.
and likely not as deadly,
as "economic disaster" has been.
by the way.
all pennies made after 1982, are 95% zinc.
only the outer 5%, is copper.
1982 or before pennies, were 100% copper.
minus the carbon and calcium atoms,
from any irishmen,
that fell into the vats,
at the refinery.
While I agree with very little that was said before there are a few i do. gold, silver, copper, and metal will retain it's value or gain in value over time, all true. American industry is pathetic, very true. The rest of the stuff seems like bs, bringing god into any discussion but religion makes you look dumb and a zelous, to include angels. Sorry to all those that i have affended. For almost all that have posted i do support one or two of your thoughts though.
my only simi original thought is that the US dollar has been devalued to bring industry back to the US, and in a way it will. because the dollar is so cheap to the euro it is possible that the us can start producing higher end goods for europe.
Azorus said:
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... gold, silver, copper, and metal will retain it's value or gain in value over time, all true. ...
I had an uncle who grew up in the Great Depression. He said soap, toilet paper, and canned foods were more valuable than any kind of money.
Can anyone eat a silver dollar safely?
--Lee
Copper Gold Zinc metals placed in saltwater and connected to an external circuit creates a good battery. Why is there gold in ocean water. Because somebody at some time figured out the real value of shiny metal other than to adorn themselves so they reflect sunlight and appear as some superhuman light bearing being. Imagine sheepole leaving one of Tesla's lightning bolt displays. It's a wonder they didnt have him executed for working with the devil. Meanwhile you got political control of science on every front. In the interests of national security we cant devulge this and we wont devulge that. We will however let you know if two tribes that have interbred too much and killed each other too many times and like to kill each other are killing each other. Wow what an important finding that is. I could care less if two tribes want to kill each other off. (funny how the mideast is the least inhabitable place on Earth and this is where all the unrest is) its because rabble rousers and misfits were banished from civilizations that were trying to progress. The seed falls not far from the tree. Jews and muslims hate each other because they are jews and muslims. They continue to make claim on land that isnt fit for an animal to live on the size of the state of RI. Religious bullshit is at the heart of the matter. A god of love does not care about holy places. Its a pile of fucking rocks you idiots. When things cool down the remnants of the Roman empire start feeding fuel on the fire because their philosphy is divide and conquer sell weapons to both sides and watch them kill each other off. How many christian crusades do we need to regain control of fucking Jerusalem. Oh this is the place that some fabled charactor did this or did that. Big deal looks like hostile barren foothills to me. Then to top it all off you got the oil boys pumping the pennisula dry of the only natural rescource the whole pennisula has. The arabs in all their infinite wisdom instead of developing alternate energy technology to take some of the heat off instead choose to buy weapons from various superpower brokers because the science that could save man is used to create weapons to kill man. I can see why a supreme being would get overwhelmed with upper level management of this flock and clean house down at the shop every few thousand years or so.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 12, 2010, 05:42:09 PM
Azorus said:I had an uncle who grew up in the Great Depression. He said soap, toilet paper, and canned foods were more valuable than any kind of money.
Can anyone eat a silver dollar safely?
--Lee
What is the value of his soap, toilet paper, and canned foods today?
Quote from: Azorus on January 13, 2010, 08:24:28 AM
What is the value of his soap, toilet paper, and canned foods today?
He, like my other uncle, may have passed away by now. If he's alive, he's over 80.
But I can postulate: The value of commodities is whatever the barter market allows.
Individual worldwide American and foreign economies may come to that barter situation if overall conditions decline far enough.
--Lee
America has went through many up and downs with it currency, it always balances it self out in the long run then takes another dive over and over again and then again balances itself out, this isn't any different, the difference are those who have grown up and not experienced it until they reach the proper age.
I am still proud to live in such a free nation, nobody looks down the back of my neck and it is very quiet around here, nobody likes their peace disturbed.
I live a free man and that is the way I like it.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 13, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
He, like my other uncle, may have passed away by now. If he's alive, he's over 80.
But I can postulate: The value of commodities is whatever the barter market allows.
Individual worldwide American and foreign economies may come to that barter situation if overall conditions decline far enough.
--Lee
Barter doesn't buy you a modern military to protect your country! yes, I would like you to exchange this F-15 for an F-22 Raptor if possible, my country needs it desperately! Not! okay, I'll give you 10 F-15's for one F-22 Raptor, uh, I don't think so! Not!
Gorilla warfare does not care about your comfort and well being! if your country had the complete Barter system it would be over whelmed by those that don't use it and slaughter you for your lack of power.
lets explore the value of the us dollar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_dollar
According to wiki, which i do hate, it shows that sense 1978 the value of the us dollar has remained stable, to the gold standard. What i think you want to do is compare the value of the us dollar to other currencies, which you are correct in saying that the us dollar has ups and downs.
http://www.google.com/search?q=dollar+exchange+history&hl=en&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=rSNPS-LaE5bumgOmstmVCg&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CCYQ5wIwCg
this link shows a little better how the exchange rate has played out in history.
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While I agree with very little that was said before there are a few i do. gold, silver, copper, and metal will retain it's value or gain in value over time, all true. American industry is pathetic, very true. The rest of the stuff seems like bs, bringing god into any discussion but religion makes you look dumb and a zelous, to include angels. Sorry to all those that i have affended. For almost all that have posted i do support one or two of your thoughts though.
my only simi original thought is that the US dollar has been devalued to bring industry back to the US, and in a way it will. because the dollar is so cheap to the euro it is possible that the us can start producing higher end goods for europe.
That would be nice. But America is in the process of exporting jobs. Its economy is being systematically destroyed - by design, because if you want a world government one thing that stands in the way is a sovereign, independent superpower.
Yes, Gold and silver will retain it's value or increase over time. There's one slight problem with that - The Rothschilds set the price of gold in London, twice a day.
Remember the statement 'He who has the gold makes the rules' We should also say, he who prints the money, lends it to the government at interest, while the taxpayer pays back interest on that loan, controls the economy. 'I care not who runs the country, as long as I control the issue of currency' thus unnamed banks, and the families that own them, control the Fed and the Bank of England - and all they need to do to crash the economy is withdraw money from circulation and collapse the bubbles that they created, like the housing bubble, and the derivatives bubble. Now we see a new 'Green Bubble' being created that will dwarf all the others, and this will be used to set up the bureaucracy of World Government and global taxation based on carbon credits.
George Hunt discovered the plan for a World Conservation Bank at the 4th World Wilderness Convention in 1987. He learned then that the plan was to crash the economy and cause a meltdown of currencies by 2012. Regional currencies would still
exist, but they would be superceded by the global (digital) currency, and all taxes, offset by carbon credits, would be paid to this World Bank (controlled by the Rothschilds)
The names change, while the players remain the same. If the Fed is audited (a big 'if) power will be transferred to the IMF or the Bank for International Settlements, the BIS. Or perhaps they will rename it - 'World Conservation Bank' has the 'Green aura' internationally promoted, so perhaps this might stick. It's a question of marketing.
As we know from Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays, mass marketing is a question of psychology. Bernays made 'Bacon and Eggs trendy when the meat market was low. He made smoking cigarettes trendy for the liberated woman. Now we are being sold environmentalism and nature worship through films like 'Avatar'. I'm not knocking James Cameron, by the way, who is a genius, in my opinion. Avatar is visually stunning, and his Terminator films warn of the threat posed by artificial intelligence - perhaps the prospect of a human being being programmed like a machine should be even more cause for concern, but the point is, Hollywood is used as a template to 'seed' various memes into the public consciousness where they take root - and we know that worship of the Earth Mother is an important theme among the elite, in fact, it swings between the horned goat and the Earth Mother, as Maurice Strong's wife talks about 'God' having union with the Earth and bringing forth new life. I digress.
My central point is - who controls gold, is it the people, or is it those who set the price and dictate the terms? Who controls the economy, is it the people, or is it those who print the money and lend it to governments (who they control) at interest, which we pay?
What this all boils down to is democracy, have we got one???, so that we the people can maintain control over our money supply and determine what happens to the economy? The answer is NO. We have a fake democracy where both sides are controlled. Politicians make promises which they immediately break when they get into office, and the agenda for continued illegal wars, oil pipelines, opium fields, total control and centralisation of power continues unabated.
Unless and until this joke called 'democracy' is understood to be a lame duck with a terminal disease, and we are being laughed at for our stupidity and our gullibility, over and over again, the meltdown which was planned long ago will continue unabated.
We need to get back to grass roots. We need to explore self-sufficiency on every level, whether this be alternative energy, growing our own crops, supporting local credit unions, becoming politically active on a local community level, doesn't matter.
The cancer - and that's what it is, a cancer - that has infected our society from the top down, wants us to be dependent. It wants us to think like it does, not for ourselves. It wants us to be subservient. It wants us to clap when its fake environmentalism is rolled out like a red carpet, when its heros - 'Heros' like Al Gore, 'Messiah' figures like Obama, 'Jesus' figures like David de Rothschild, are trotted out in the controlled media.
Why don't we stop agreeing to be treated like children, question the deception, expose it, grow up - and wake up?
The alternative is a world which surpasses Orwell's worst nightmare, because the technology is beyond anything he could have imagined - and he was an insider.
Money barter are all imaginery systems that represent time. We are exchanging life experience that is all. But there is another game afoot. It is power. Powermongers could care less about their bottom line it is all about being the Alpha being. They use any tactic to make other beings bend to their will. No matter how misguided or insane their will is.
Look at Hitler. Insane neglected person growing up on the streets of some city where people chose to ignore the plight of others with their nose in the air and unseeing eyes averted to pretend they did not see the starving children freezing on the street. Hitler grows up and seeks revenge. He is cunning and a master of physcology. He seeks revenge on the mightier than you pricks that are everywhere. People who detach themselves from their own humanity. He is off the wall but he has surrounded himself with racists who he manipulates like pawns on a chessboard. Finally the generals of the regular German army who had a shred of humanity left in them say enough is enough. They allow the US and British to invade Normandy with minimal resistance and the rest is history. They also allow for neuclear technologies developed by the enslaved German scientists to be handed over to the Americans and Russians. People who finally cared about someone else besides their own ass.or breed. The second world war was initiated due to a worldwide economic disaster combined with heightened solar activity which initiated famine throughout the Northern Hemisphere. This type of coincidence is when all hell breaks loose. The primal instinct to survive is strong. Even though your body is going to rot anyway some day. Gotta keep that shit going no matter what you have to do to survive another day. Comes from aetheism. Most scientists believe in a higher power because they get past nature adoration when they get down to the nitty gritty of what makes things physical happen.
We should go back to the grassroots, where we where independent of other countries. I believe that for the most part because if we produce everything we need then whatever we get from other countries would be the icing on top. However, because of the new Global economy it has shut this down, completely. American businesses just can not compete with foreign companies because of the strong dollar, it makes our goods to expensive. And as americans we have forgotten what it means to make what you need, like cars parts, steel, and ect. most of what americans consume is imported, which is why we are in the shape we are now. The correction to all this is that the american dollar will fall, and we will be forced once again to make our own products.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 13, 2010, 08:10:03 PM
America has went through many up and downs with it currency, it always balances it self out in the long run then takes another dive over and over again and then again balances itself out, this isn't any different, the difference are those who have grown up and not experienced it until they reach the proper age.
I am still proud to live in such a free nation, nobody looks down the back of my neck and it is very quiet around here, nobody likes their peace disturbed.
I live a free man and that is the way I like it.
Yes, I would like to live as a free man too. You are proud to live in a free nation - but is it free? soon, you will have to pay for the right to exhale carbon dioxide - your natural and inalienable right to breathe will be taxed, by a bureaucracy that you haven't elected - is this freedom? Your right to free speech, will that be maintained?
Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, Obama’s appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory affairs, is outlining a plan to infiltrate 'conspiracy groups' on the internet to undermine them. So if you don't agree that 'conspiracy theorists' are dangerous nutters, and there is no such thing as conspiracies, you will be subject to programs - and individuals, trained to spread propaganda countering the truth about the misdeeds of the government and the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is freedom?
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 13, 2010, 08:16:01 PM
...if your country had the complete Barter system it would be over whelmed by those that don't use it and slaughter you for your lack of power.
I strongly believe that when the collapse comes(it will, inevitably), all countries will experience monetary collapse because they're too dependent on money to survive.
Witness the collapse of the ancient Roman Empire in the early 5th Century---I rest that part of my case.
The barter system works on a small scale, usually, especially if the average quality of prevailing societies hasn't fallen to the level
below the stone age. Even so, Native Americans had barter between tribes while experiencing an approximate stone age existence.
After the collapse, there'll be some aircraft flying until components break and fuel runs out. Guns run out of ammunition. Then it's a lower and lower level of infrastructure until modern societies cease to be viable.
--Lee
The problem is we are to dependent on the econmics of dollars and cents that they won't collapse, unless your are talking about a complete Apocalypse. There are ways out of the current situation. you just don't see it coming until it hits you.
What a terrible thing to have to work side by side with a lower cast person. The slavedrivers exploited every wave of immigrant that ever landed on the shores of this great country. They operated above the constitutional laws and deprived people of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They continue to this day. The slaves are running off as fast as they can get a ticket home. Imagine having to clean your own pool since Johel (who by the way was pumping your wife more than the pool) has returned home with his family to be poor and enslaved where people are use to poverty and enslavement and arent going crazy all over the place. This economic disaster is back firing huge. The banks are now indebted to the communities for back taxes on properties they foreclosed on. Their real estate holdings are turning into liabilites as mold mildew rats cockroaches homeless people all use their valuable assets as a place to live free. The communities are formulating laws that are going to make the banks either give over tittle to the properties to the communities or pay to destroy them as they are posing human health hazards. I tell you these homoserpents are idiots. They couldnt see the ramifications of displacing millions of Americans from their homes. Give rebels without a cause a cause. Real good foresight there. No bread and soup lines this time its gonna be smash and dash at the grocery stores. Oh but we will have martial law imposed. Like some soldier is gonna kill some old lady running off with a bag of dog food. I dont care if they switch the troops from one continent to the other people are people and snakes are snakes. It is going to be a showdown between good and evil like no other before. Why because this hear internet has allowed the world to communicate. Praise the Lord for Bill Gates and american ingenouity and all those that sacraficed their lives to keep our minds free.
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It is going to be a showdown between good and evil like no other before.
Yeah, I did read that the coming Apocalypse will be worse than anything before or will ever be again.
This will be as bad as it gets. Hope we survive.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 12, 2010, 05:42:09 PM
Azorus said:I had an uncle who A up in the Great Depression. He said soap, toilet paper, and canned foods were more valuable than any kind of money.
Can anyone eat a silver dollar safely?
--Lee
Case in point: Haiti
After the earthquake, money was worthless, even if robbers were caught on film looting a bank.
Canned food, water, and medical supplies are worth a mountain of gold to someone who needs it.
That's why I say hoarding gold is a waste of time; food/water, guns/ammo, gardening tools/seeds, etc. is a better option---
if you have the money, now,
or the space and freedom to do it.
--Lee
we are not in haiti, and even after all will be said and done, if the looters took gold or silver, it will be worth more in the end.
Quote from: Azorus on January 19, 2010, 02:28:07 PM
we are not in haiti, and even after all will be said and done, if the looters took gold or silver, it will be worth more in the end.
Well, maybe for awhile. But, I expect the worldwide economies to collapse eventually due to their interconnected debt obligations.
When that happens, just like it did to the Roman Empire and other ancient empires before it, gold and silver won't be worth what people thought they were. Food and good shelter will be foremost on their minds.
--Lee
Very true Lee. If i could i would live in the hills away from most this madness for a while, because it will only get worse before it gets better. Looks like the US will be in recession for the next few years still, if it doesn't fall into a depression.
Quote from: Azorus on January 20, 2010, 08:30:39 AM
Very true Lee. ... Looks like the US will be in recession for the next few years still, if it doesn't fall into a depression.
Oh, yes, I agree! It'll be as bad as anything can get, I think.
The *fixes* to the present problems don't address the problem's causes. This has happened many times throughout history.
--Lee
CNN put another article on there site mentioning the banking industry. It is pretty sad when the CEO of the largest US bank admits that unemployment will go up for the most part of 2010, and that the US economy has a long way to go before recovery.
When profit is made on the sale of a service or commodity it causes inflation. Inflation is a necessary thing as long as profit is produced. When profit is taken out of the picture there is no need for inflation. You dont have to print money or raise asset values if there is no insatiable demands for profit. Man I just sold that piece of junk I bought for a dollar for ten dollars. Where does the nine dollars come from. The federal reserve A of course. They have to print 9 more dollars to cover your profit. The problem with the Us economy is because we go over and transform china into a competing industrialized nation. In exchange for our technology do we retain any farmlands in China or anything that remotely has true value. No our stupid corporations take payment in US dollars. Nice going you unimaginative fucking idiots. You create a formidable competitor that produces products then imports them into the us and compete with our own industrial sector putting our people on unemployment and heavily indebted to a competitor that is foreclosing on american properties left and right. When the Chineese take payment for the shit they export to the us they dont take it in the form of money they take it in the form of tittles to american real estate. And in the end times the Yellow race will control the Earth. They seem to own most of it now. And there is the Bush administration allowing foreigners to come on American soil and take control of assets. Their money should never have been allowed to compete with regulated banking practices in the first place. The greedy US banks were loosing business to the foreign investments so they started loaning money they didnt have. What a shit storm.
No, you are the economic melt down, only if you support it. get off your ass and go to work!
that is all I have to say. I will give you a job if you are so desperate. other wise get out of our face you lazy fucks! lazy lazy lazy! handing a welfare check to them is quite annoying! milk suckers!
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 23, 2010, 01:07:30 AM
No, you are the economic melt down, only if you support it.
Oh? Really? The Great Depression of the Thirties was a figmint of my parent's and grandparent's imagination? You think the bubble the Democrats re-inflated to keep the economy going as long as possible will last forever? Worldwide economies go in up/down cycles. They collapse eventually, or else the original Mesopotamian empire would still be around. Same for the Aztec/Mayan empires.
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get off your ass and go to work!
Sure, I'd like to. The money I get from the V.A. and SSDI isn't enough, especially here in San Francisco. And I moved here from Tucson.
I. Can't. Stand. The. Heat.
I'm sixty as well, but in good health considering the past unskilled labor I did.
I'm. Too. Old. For. That.
I have an A.A. in computer programming, but I'll have to compete against younger people with more recent professional experience.
I.
Need. Schooling. I.
Can't. Afford.
And. It. Has To. Be. Free.
--Lee