We can not expect to get free energy out of a perpetual motion design unless it continues to speed up to the point of self destruction. If a load is added to a perpetual motion design that has a steady rpm, it will eventually come to a halt regardless of the size of the load.
You must also remember that a load is a resistance and there for any resistance will bring any perpetual motion design to halt if the perpetual motion can only achieve a certain steady rpm.
Free energy comes from free motion that a motion creates that is greater the motion that created it and a steady perpetual motion is a motion that uses 1/2 of it's motion to create the other 1/2 of the motion. A perpetual motion that will exceed to the point of self destruction is a motion that creates more of a motion then it uses.
Therefore, if you have a perpetual motion design that will not accelerate to the point of self destruction with out a added load, it will not create any free energy.
You would have to define the term "Free Energy" first.
"The Free Energy Law"
1.Free Energy can be free as in you do not have to pay for it, you can use it in unlimited amounts without being charged for it.
This you can do if you do not have to pay for the source where the energy is comming from.
2.Free Energy can be free as in a perpetual motion machine that produces energy from nothing.
And this you cannot do, it does not exist, the energy will always come from somewhere , some external source so we are back to point one.
Marco.
-[marco]- "2.Free Energy can be free as in a perpetual motion machine that produces energy from nothing.
And this you cannot do, it does not exist, the energy will always come from somewhere , some external source so we are back to point one."
The manipulation of magnetic fields can be utilized to produce free energy in a perpetual motion design. I just have not seen this done yet but I am working on it.
Have faith nightlife
I have seen it in 1974 and it ran until it broke down.
Quote from: nightlife on October 06, 2008, 10:02:21 PM
We can not expect to get free energy out of a perpetual motion design unless it continues to speed up to the point of self destruction. If a load is added to a perpetual motion design that has a steady rpm, it will eventually come to a halt regardless of the size of the load.
You must also remember that a load is a resistance and there for any resistance will bring any perpetual motion design to halt if the perpetual motion can only achieve a certain steady rpm.
Free energy comes from free motion that a motion creates that is greater the motion that created it and a steady perpetual motion is a motion that uses 1/2 of it's motion to create the other 1/2 of the motion. A perpetual motion that will exceed to the point of self destruction is a motion that creates more of a motion then it uses.
Therefore, if you have a perpetual motion design that will not accelerate to the point of self destruction with out a added load, it will not create any free energy.
The naysayers 2 main wepons of choice Free Energy bla bla Perpetual Motion heritic! Free Energy Bla Bla 1st Law of thermaldynamics Witches! Burn the all!! When its odvious there are alot of verry inteligent minds in here streching boundries seeing the word from a diffrent aspect looking for break throughs every day just for the chalange.
I for one look forward to these new ideas and hope I can learn from them and on my best day maybe even help.
Quote from: nightlife on October 06, 2008, 10:39:03 PM
The manipulation of magnetic fields can be utilized to produce free energy in a perpetual motion design.
See then it still is Rule 1. because the energy is comming from somewhere....
Make up your mind.
Marco.
-[marco]-, "See then it still is Rule 1. because the energy is comming from somewhere....
Make up your mind."
The energy is the magnetic fields, they must be manipulated to be used to create free usable energy. This is going to take us back to the "what is energy" thread. LOL
Quote from: nightlife on October 06, 2008, 11:09:40 PM
-[marco]-, "See then it still is Rule 1. because the energy is comming from somewhere....
Make up your mind."
The energy is the magnetic fields, they must be manipulated to be used to create free usable energy. This is going to take us back to the "what is energy" thread. LOL
Magnetic fields do not contain energy, what makes you think that?
They are only a side effects of another process.
Like i said,
It is the external input action that is being converted into electricity and/or the external electricity that is being converted into motion, this is the source of the energy.
See the magnets are not powering the generator, it is the motion.
Or in the case of the motor, it is the electricity.
This is similar in battery's
When a battery is said to be empty, the charges are in balance with each other.
There is no disturbing force anymore.
-[marco]-, "Magnetic fields do not contain energy, what makes you think that?"
LOL, Ofcource they do. They wouldn't be a magnetic field if they didn't. Every substance contains energy, every movement contains energy, every sound contains energy and every fragrance contains energy.
-[marco]-, "They are only a side effects of another process."
Everything is a side effect of another process.
"It is the external input action that is being converted into electricity and/or the external electricity that is being converted into motion, this is the source of the energy."
The external input would be a vibration but it can not be converted into electricity becuase it is already elctricity. All we do is intensify the action to create a more vibrant vibration and we call that vibrant vibration, electricity. Electricity is nothing more then vibrations and the more vibrant, the hotter and the less vibrant, the cooler.
Quote from: nightlife on October 07, 2008, 12:42:58 AM
-[marco]-, "Magnetic fields do not contain energy, what makes you think that?"
LOL, Ofcource they do. They wouldn't be a magnetic field if they didn't. Every substance contains energy, every movement contains energy, every sound contains energy and every fragrance contains energy.
That is nonsense.
Because you get electricity by moving a magnet does not mean the maget contains energy.
It is the movement that is being converted into electricity.
Quote from: nightlife on October 07, 2008, 01:30:30 AM
-[marco]-, "They are only a side effects of another process."
Everything is a side effect of another process.
"It is the external input action that is being converted into electricity and/or the external electricity that is being converted into motion, this is the source of the energy."
The external input would be a vibration but it can not be converted into electricity becuase it is already elctricity. All we do is intensify the action to create a more vibrant vibration and we call that vibrant vibration, electricity. Electricity is nothing more then vibrations and the more vibrant, the hotter and the less vibrant, the cooler.
Ok i will try to make it verry clear.
The external input IS THE MOTION.
YOU NEED TO TURN THE THING BEFORE YOU CAN GET ELECTRICITY.
Quote from: nightlife on October 07, 2008, 01:30:30 AM
The external input would be a vibration but it can not be converted into electricity becuase it is already elctricity.
SO you are saying the wind that drives the windmill is electricity.
The wind is kinetic energy that is being converted into electricity.
Men are you on crack or something?
Here is a special question:
Can you prove me wrong?Marco.
i know you will find
EVERYTHING IS ELECTRICTY
JUST PACKAGED DIFFRENTLY........
;)
if it wasn't how could teleportation be possible!?!?!?!?!?!
when you go nano and Bond what is electricity? a sub atomic particle a gyroscopic particle? or could it be consciousness its self?!?!?!?!
hummm
ist
Hi IST :)
It seems you did not get any smarter over all these years...
What heve you been doing men?
Marco.
marco it don't pay to be smart it pays to be BOLD
ITS ALL GOOD TIME TO JUST DO IT .....
IST!
i think the free cake comes from eather interaction :)
witch can be altered from many ways
easyest is a spark gap
in my turbine it is because of the air gap between the nozzle and the turbine this allows the eather to interact same thing in RODINS COIL
because of the interaction of eather in my turbine it allows the driving force to never work harder no matter the load because it does not see the load.... sure my turbine will slow down when worked but will never consume more energy because it is worked ;)
Quote from: nightlife on October 06, 2008, 10:39:03 PM
The manipulation of magnetic fields can be utilized to produce free energy in a perpetual motion design. I just have not seen this done yet but I am working on it.
You and 1000s of others since the year dot, pesky laws of physics delaying things a little?
-[marco]-,
QuoteBecause you get electricity by moving a magnet does not mean the maget contains energy.
It is the movement that is being converted into electricity.
I am sorry but you have a lot to learn about what electricity is. Electricity is nothing more then a vibration and the vibrancy of a magnetic field influences those who are attractive to them. When the attraction is presented, the attraction absorbs the vibration and if the attraction is moved, the vibration will move in the direction of the movement.
QuoteYOU NEED TO TURN THE THING BEFORE YOU CAN GET ELECTRICITY.
Wrong, you need to move the thing before electricity will move through it. the electricity is already there.
QuoteSO you are saying the wind that drives the windmill is electricity.
The wind is kinetic energy that is being converted into electricity.
Winds are vibrations just as all movements are vibrations.
QuoteMen are you on crack or something?
If you are wanting to insult me, please do that in person otherwise lets try to be civil about this debate.
QuoteHere is a special question: Can you prove me wrong?
Why do you call that a special question? There is nothing to prove because it proves itself. It is all about common sense.
RunningBare,
Quotepesky laws of physics delaying things a little?
No. The problem just has not been solved yet, at least not to our knowledge.
Quote from: nightlife on October 07, 2008, 10:04:05 PM
-[marco]-,
I am sorry but you have a lot to learn about what electricity is. Electricity is nothing more then a vibration and the vibrancy of a magnetic field influences those who are attractive to them. When the attraction is presented, the attraction absorbs the vibration and if the attraction is moved, the vibration will move in the direction of the movement.
Wrong, you need to move the thing before electricity will move through it. the electricity is already there.
Winds are vibrations just as all movements are vibrations.
If you are wanting to insult me, please do that in person otherwise lets try to be civil about this debate.
Why do you call that a special question? There is nothing to prove because it proves itself. It is all about common sense.
If you do not have anything to add other then nonsense then why bother to post?
There is not anything to prove?? it's all common sense you say??
You say magnets are energy is common sense??
And it is all common sense?
And nothing to proove? Haha!!
You need to do better then that.
SO
If you do not prove me wrong before let's say .....next week Then I will proove you wrong.Yeah you like that? bring it on and i will show you who needs to learn here.
Marco.
Another dumbass. No need to waste your time on this kid's disillusion.
@nightlife,
QuoteLets please use common sense.
What is common sense for you?
@-[marco]-
QuoteThat is nonsense.
Because you get electricity by moving a magnet does not mean the maget contains energy.
It is the movement that is being converted into electricity.
If the magnet does not contain energy, try making electricity with wooden blocks, the movement will produce nothing. Try to hang a 5 lbs pipe wrench with a wooden block and try after with a magnet. If the magnet is not doing work, what is going on then?
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on October 08, 2008, 01:43:24 PM
@-[marco]-
If the magnet does not contain energy, try making electricity with wooden blocks, the movement will produce nothing. Try to hang a 5 lbs pipe wrench with a wooden block and try after with a magnet. If the magnet is not doing work, what is going on then?
Take care,
Michel
Dear Michel
The magnet converts the movement into electricity.
The magnet itself doesn't add any energy in this process.
It is the motion that we put in that is being converted into electricity.
Now People like Nightlife are trying to convince the world that there is energy comming from the magnets.
This is not so.
Just because we get electricity by moving a magnet near a wire does not mean the electricity is comming from the magnet, it is comming from the kinetic energy we put in.
He even goes as far as saying "the magnets are the energy" so that is why i have given him the opportunity to prove me wrong.
Magnets convert, they do not deliver.
Marco.
Marco says:
"SO you are saying the wind that drives the windmill is electricity.
The wind is kinetic energy that is being converted into electricity.
Men are you on crack or something?
Here is a special question: Can you prove me wrong?
Marco."
Wind comes from higher pressure moving to replace lower pressure that occurs due to the air being heated from the sun (convection). An energy input from the sun.
It takes an input of energy to make a magnetic field. The Earth has a magnetic field due to the energy (fission) inside the Earth.
You're right, you have to have input. We look at kinetic energy and think, well, there is energy there so we should be able to get to it. E=MC^2 so we should have energy as long as there is mass. But something has to happen to get that energy, such as burning the mass to release the energy, and some gets wasted so you don't get it all. The 2nd law of thermodynamics comes into play here. But if someone does not try to at least get the concept of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, they're not going to come to understanding why the wind occurs, the Earth spins, the sun burns, etc., etc. And if someone is not willing to look it up to learn, you can never convince them. It's one thing to come in here with misunderstandings, but at least willing to check things out, then you will learn. But if the person is willingly ignorant, they will continue on in their argument, call you names, cuss at you, use their misconceptions as "proof," refer to so called experiments that never came to fruition and seem to be "mysteriously absent," make statements such as "statistics say," (but unable to refer to any "particular statistics,") continue circular reasoning (Women are human, thus humans are women) and so on, instead of asking questions, thinking critically, and doing some real research.
You have to be open minded to learn (been there done that,Koen helped me alot).
But maybe something will happen to convince the other.
@Marco
Bitchin' avatar Bro! 8)
Is that compass spinning because of a rotating charge field or a rotating magnetic field? ???
-[marco]-,
QuoteIf you do not have anything to add other then nonsense then why bother to post?
The same could be asked of you from my point of view.
Quote"If you do not prove me wrong before let's say .....next week Then I will proove you wrong.
Yeah you like that? bring it on and I will show you who needs to learn here."
Neither of us can prove the other to be right or wrong because we do not have equipment to detect the energy we are talking about.
I will try to think of a better way to try to explain what I am saying.
Quote from: broli on October 08, 2008, 03:20:14 AM
Another dumbass. No need to waste your time on this kid's disillusion.
If you feel the need to disrespect me, please do so in person.
Michelinho,
QuoteWhat is common sense for you?
Common sense to me is what is commonly thought of by the average to make sense.
GeoscienceStud, "Wind comes from higher pressure moving to replace lower pressure that occurs due to the air being heated from the sun (convection). An energy input from the sun."
Lets talk about pressure for minute. What is pressure? What is heat?
They are both just a mass of vibrations that become what they are by being applied to a resistance. They both contain the other. Heat contains pressure and pressure contains heat because they are both the same and the only thing that makes them different is their vibrancy and or the resistance they encounter. You can not have pressure with out having heat and you can not have heat with out having a pressure.
@ marco,
Take a neodinium magnet before it is magnetized and after? What's the difference between the two? They are both the same but yet very different, one does work the other doesn't. A magnet is full of energy and it is kinetic.
@ nightlife,
Average for me is most of the people you see around that watch Fox news and believe everything said.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: nightlife on October 08, 2008, 08:10:46 PM
-[marco]-,
Neither of us can prove the other to be right or wrong because we do not have equipment to detect the energy we are talking about.
How can you even make such a statement?
You do not know what i can and cannot prove.
I can and i will prove you wrong.
Marco.
Quote from: Grumpy on October 08, 2008, 06:12:05 PM
@Marco
Bitchin' avatar Bro! 8)
Is that compass spinning because of a rotating charge field or a rotating magnetic field? ???
Grumpy, :)
You know rotating magnetic fields do not exist.
It is rotating because the coils switch on and off in sequence and this in turn create the apperance of a rotating field.
Here is the video http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get148 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get148)
Marco.
Quote from: Michelinho on October 09, 2008, 12:31:17 AM
@ marco,
Take a neodinium magnet before it is magnetized and after? What's the difference between the two? They are both the same but yet very different, one does work the other doesn't. A magnet is full of energy and it is kinetic.
Take care,
Michel
So your statement is that neo's are full of energy....
Got some proof?
Marco.
i ain't no expert but basically a neo magnet is a mass of material super heated that will realign the position of the particle inside , so in essence the difference betwen a non heated magnet and a magnetic magnet is the energy you put into as heat ... wich is in itslef kinetic energy.
Michelinho,
QuoteAverage for me is most of the people you see around that watch Fox news and believe everything said.
I too see a lot of that but when two or more get together with open minds, true common sense can be found and agreed upon, provided the two or group has enough life experience to so.
This is why I started this tread.
-[marco]-,
QuoteHow can you even make such a statement?
You do not know what i can and cannot prove.
I can and i will prove you wrong.
Lets just start with the fact that magnets do contain energy. Let me prove that by having you place two iron core substances about one inch away from each other and record the affect. Then place one iron core substance about one inch away from a magnet and record the affect. You will find that there was no affect between the two iron core substances but there was between the magnet and the iron core substance. That is because the magnet was attracted to the iron core substance and therefore drew its self to it and therefore doing work. The work that was done was made possible due to the energy that is stored in the magnet and the energy that is stored in the iron core substance. The only difference in the iron core substance and the magnet is that the magnet contains a energy that flows in two different directions and the iron core substance's energy only flows in one direction.
Now lets hear how you can prove me wrong.
The action of making electricity is to take a charge that is missing to equilibrate the balance in betwen particle
A magnet is basically a shell for kinetic energy , the reason it attract other is because the energy contained inside the magnet is trapped there and try to equilibrate itself with his surrounding but can never achieve so therefore pulling out the mass toward itself...
take for example a piece of cloth and a plastic if you rub them you will get static eletricity , but since the energy is not trapped it can move from one another and spark , in a magnet the energy stay around the magnet without ever being able to enter the mass unlike other material ... this is why we wrap wire around it to collect that eletricity.
I see magnet as a barrier that does not let energy comes in or comes out , this might hold truth or not but this is how i see magnet. Also there is no energy inside the magnet , simply the kinetic energy used to permeate the substance to its surrounding...
Quote from: nightlife on October 08, 2008, 08:50:02 PM
GeoscienceStud, "Wind comes from higher pressure moving to replace lower pressure that occurs due to the air being heated from the sun (convection). An energy input from the sun."
Lets talk about pressure for minute. What is pressure? What is heat?
They are both just a mass of vibrations that become what they are by being applied to a resistance. They both contain the other. Heat contains pressure and pressure contains heat because they are both the same and the only thing that makes them different is their vibrancy and or the resistance they encounter. You can not have pressure with out having heat and you can not have heat with out having a pressure.
You missed the point. The whole thing is started by the energy from the sun, an input. And in this case of wind, the lower pressure is due to convection (caused by heat from the sun) causing the air to rise and the pressure of the area is reduced, thus decreased pressure. The air then cools as it rises and is then unable to hold the water in it causing it to release that water and it rains. The higher pressure is caused by the air being cooler and thus causes it to fall. Directions of the winds are due to Corialis effect.
This does not mean that temperature and pressure are inversely proportionate, they are proportionate. But this is due to that cold are becomes more dense and is heavier, thus falls. Hot air is less dense and lighter thus rises.
The wind is not occuring because it is energy, necessarily, but because of the EFFECT of energy. Just like the computer is not energy itself. It is working because the effect of energy. The baseball does not move towards the batter because it IS energy. It is because of the force behind it of what threw it. The magnets are made because of a force of energy behind it. It takes energy to make the magnets to begin with. It takes energy to make the dynamo effect magnetic fields of the Earth. They did not just appear there out of nowhere. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed it is basically a form of plasma that is the 4th state of matter. But to harness energy you have to understand the laws of thermodynamics.
Hang in there, it will eventually come if you keep educating yourself. I know this is difficult to grasp, because when you look at chemistry, and kinetic energy, it just looks like we aught to be able to grab that energy. But processes have to be applied.
Magnets are created by adding a vibrance from opposite ends. This added vibrance supersedes the vibrance the iron substance already holds. They then seek the end of the direction they are flown but they collide in the middle creating another vibrance that is repeated until the vibrance is gone. Some say it takes 100 + years for a magnet to loose its affect.
Energy is energy, there is no such thing as different types of energy. The only difference with energy's are their vibrance and the collaboration of the magnetic fields that they can and do produce. Magnetic fields are nothing more then two energy’s flown in opposite directions that are forced together by resistance. The pressure of the resistance and the vibrance of the energy determines the strength and size of the field.
Batteries are nothing more then a magnet except the energy's are kept from colliding. The only difference in negative and positive is the vibrance. The more vibrant is the positive and the less vibrant is the negative. We fly the vibrances through different substances and then collide the two to create work because they resist each other. We use switches to stop, start and or to control the level of vibrance and this is done by breaking and or connecting the flight paths and or limiting the vibrance.
GeoscienceStudent,
Quote"You missed the point. The whole thing is started by the energy from the sun, an input. And please don't call me a stud. Thankyou."
LOL, sorry about that, I must not have copied all of your user name when I copied and pasted it.
As for the misunderstanding. that may be.
I have to go leave right now but I will review your post later to see if I missed something.
Magnetic fields can be used to increase the pressure and heat, such as the Tokamak in which a magnetic containment of plasma is used to produce fusion. Energy has to be supplied though, along with this and right now, the energy supplied is still too much to be valuable as an energy source and so http://www.iter.org/ is still working on this in Southern France to try to make it self-containing, in other words could supply the energy to both be reused to continue the fusion and to supply electricity.
Magnets also can be used to reduce friction and the push-pull effect of them can increase efficiency in things like brakes (although they were recalled for some reason) are used in alternators, in trains such as in Germany, and Disney World.
The "two great discoveries" to which Tesla referred, were:
1. The Dynamic Theory of Gravity - which assumed a field of force which accounts for the motions of bodies in space; assumption of this field of force dispenses with the concept of space curvature (ala Einstein); the ether has an indispensable function in the phenomena (of universal gravity, inertia, momentum, and movement of heavenly bodies, as well as all atomic and molecular matter); and,
2. Environmental Energy - the Discovery of a new physical Truth: there is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment.
Hmm. Marco is correct.
Quote from: nightlife on October 09, 2008, 09:04:07 AM
Michelinho,
I too see a lot of that but when two or more get together with open minds, true common sense can be found and agreed upon, provided the two or group has enough life experience to so.
This is why I started this tread.
-[marco]-,
Lets just start with the fact that magnets do contain energy. Let me prove that by having you place two iron core substances about one inch away from each other and record the affect. Then place one iron core substance about one inch away from a magnet and record the affect. You will find that there was no affect between the two iron core substances but there was between the magnet and the iron core substance. That is because the magnet was attracted to the iron core substance and therefore drew its self to it and therefore doing work. The work that was done was made possible due to the energy that is stored in the magnet and the energy that is stored in the iron core substance. The only difference in the iron core substance and the magnet is that the magnet contains a energy that flows in two different directions and the iron core substance's energy only flows in one direction.
Now lets hear how you can prove me wrong.
These are words...
You call Words prove???
Words do not prove anything.
Quote from: nightlife on October 09, 2008, 09:04:07 AM
That is because the magnet was attracted to the iron core substance and therefore drew its self to it and therefore doing work. The work that was done was made possible due to the energy that is stored in the magnet and the energy that is stored in the iron core substance.
See this is the whole point, what you see is NOT comming from the magnets.
It only looks like that.
The magnets only
create this effect in space they are NOT the source of this energy.
Your words are not prove
you need to do better.Marco.
GeoscienceStudent, after reviewing your comments a bit better, I came to the conclusion that you get your education from books.
Quote"But this is due to that cold are becomes more dense and is heavier, thus falls. Hot air is less dense and lighter thus rises."
That is a classic text book statement and it is wrong and I will explain why later.
Quote"Energy cannot be created nor destroyed it is basically a form of plasma that is the 4th state of matter."
That again is a classic text book statement and again it is wrong and I will also explain why that is later.
-[marco]-, "The magnets only create this effect in space they are NOT the source of this energy."
I never said magnets were the source of energy but I did say that they contain energy. You said that they don’t contain energy and the simple experiment I told you to try proves it.
Now it is your turn to prove me wrong.
@marco,
QuoteGot some proof?
Yes, I have, from the works of Howard Johnson and countless others on magnetic vortices and through experimentation, found a proof that satisfy me.
Your reality may differ from mine. I don't know if you studied magnetic vortex but your answer lies there. A vortex cannot be static and the particles (Joseph Newman) forming them cannot be static. All energy is kinetic for me. A magnet that is magnetized is set in a state of imbalance, the North pole project a strong North vortex and a weak South vortex, the South pole project a strong North vortex and a stronger South vortex. From there you will see that the North pole is better suited for repulsion and the South pole is better suited for attraction.
I hope this clarify what I believe is happening.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on October 09, 2008, 06:14:08 PM
@marco,
I hope this clarify what I believe is happening.
Take care,
Michel
This does not clarify anything.
That it satisfy's you doesn't prove anything.
It doesn not show us that the energy is comming from the magnets.
Marco.
Quote from: nightlife on October 09, 2008, 05:58:27 PM
-[marco]-, "The magnets only create this effect in space they are NOT the source of this energy."
I never said magnets were the source of energy but I did say that they contain energy. You said that they don’t contain energy and the simple experiment I told you to try proves it.
Now it is your turn to prove me wrong.
No it does not.
In fact this experiment doesn't tell you anything about the orgin of this energy.
And you still did not prove anything.
Are you going to keep writing or are you going to show something because now i think i am indeed wasting my time.
Marco.
Hmmm...... Maybe its both
what if magnets are squirting out and sucking in some sort of particles in another dimension, and we only see the effects as a transfer of energy, there is no vector to the particles they emit because they exist in other dimensions or in all dimensions at once
kinda hard to explain
imagine a 3D jet of water.
say you want to turn a 2D wheel that has paddles with the jet but you cannot act on the 3rd dimension (see the attachment)
because you are facing the wheel instead of looking at it from the side you cant make it spin unless you moved the jet in a circular motion.
then one could say there is no energy from the jet of water only the kinetic energy of the circular motion you make.
could magnets exist partially in another dimension as well as magnetic elements?
i can't prove this of course and its just a wild thought,
but any contradicting ideas are welcome.
QuoteThis does not clarify anything.
That it satisfy's you doesn't prove anything.
It doesn not show us that the energy is comming from the magnets.
Marco.
It would take me a lifetime to prove it to you since your reality is warp differently from mine. Your deep belief in your views prevents you from seeing our views in a rational way. Your views are incompatible from mine since they start from different and incompatible premises.
Take care,
Michel
@PYRODIN123321,
Welcome and glad to see you join us in this thread.
There is the possibility that the magnetization of a magnet makes it a channel for energy from another dimension then the magnet is a conduit that still emits energy and thus incompatible with the belief that a magnet is a dead lump.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: Michelinho on October 09, 2008, 06:50:59 PM
It would take me a lifetime to prove it to you since your reality is warp differently from mine. Your deep belief in your views prevents you from seeing our views in a rational way. Your views are incompatible from mine since they start from different and incompatible premises.
Take care,
Michel
Michel,
I have to admit my reality is quite diffrent.
This is because i have been working on this for a verry long time.
My statements are not belief they are the result of many, many tests i have performed over the years.
Let me give you something to concider.
You are standing on top off a building and you throw off a football.
The football goes straight to ground.
Now the question is:
Did the energy come from the football or did it come from some place else?
Seems like a simple question to answer....i don't think it takes a life time.
Marco.
@marco,
If you want to use balistic, ok.
You have a rail gun at the top of the building and a ball bearing.
Where does the energy come from?
Take care,
Michel
You didn't answer the question.
It was a verry good perspective.
If you would fire the ball with a railgun , the energy still isn't comming from the ball if that is what you mean by your example.
But it sure as hell look's like it is. ::)
Marco.
@ marco,
You still miss the point. The power still comes from the magnet, the ball or football is only there because without it you would not perceive the energy in action. You are the magnet in your analogy is the answer to your question.
Take care,
Michel
Okay i see we have a little misunderstanding here.
The Football represents the magnet.
The Force that brings it down is the field it posess.
Marco.
-[marco]- , if you drop a ball from the top of a building and it falls to the ground, gravity is the energy that makes that happen. Gravity is like a magnet but just has a attraction to more materials unlike the magnet which only has a attraction to iron.
If you throw a ball, you provided the energy.
In the case of the rail gun, the energy the battery's have and the energy the magnetic ball has is coupled together to create the action. It takes both energy's for it to work.
The rail gun could be made from just using two magnets placed in repelling positions. This would mean that the energy would come from both magnets. It would not be as powerful but it would still work like a battery powered rail gun does. As A matter of fact, that alone would prove that magnets have energy.
PYRODIN123321, welcome to our insanity.
Quotewhat if magnets are squirting out and sucking in some sort of particles in another dimension, and we only see the effects as a transfer of energy, there is no vector to the particles they emit because they exist in other dimensions or in all dimensions at once
That would mean that particles would be flowing through a solid substance and that I can not agree with.
@nightlife,
The rail gun is a magnet when it fires and the ball is the football in -[marco]- 's analogy.
Take care,
Michel
Lets think about what flows through solid substances. Electricity, heat, radio waves, sound, fragrances and vibrations are ones that I can think of right off the top. All of them are vibrations and energy's, therefore energy must be a vibration.
Knowing that a vibration is energy, how do we use a vibration to create more then one that is equally and or more intense then the one used?
We cant and therefore we can never create true over unity. We can however use one vibration to release others that are stored like we do by using oil, coal and water.
The splitting of a atom is prime example of energy that is stored and if we could only figure out a way to harness the energy released from the splitting of a atom, our energy problems would be over.
@
QuoteKnowing that a vibration is energy, how do we use a vibration to create more then one that is equally and or more intense then the one used?
Resonance is the answer to that. By resonance you can destroy a bridge, a building and no added power is needed for any of those, time is the factor. It would be one way to achieve more with a lot less.
QuoteThe splitting of a atom is prime example of energy that is stored and if we could only figure out a way to harness the energy released from the splitting of a atom, our energy problems would be over.
Cold fusion could do that with great efficiency but fission, too hazardous with our limited knowledge.
Take care,
Michel
Quote from: nightlife on October 09, 2008, 09:13:45 PM
-[marco]- , if you drop a ball from the top of a building and it falls to the ground, gravity is the energy that makes that happen. Gravity is like a magnet but just has a attraction to more materials unlike the magnet which only has a attraction to iron.
Gravity is not energy. It is just a force. What provided the energy is whatever lifted the ball to the top of the building.
I don't wish to add any more tension to this topic but I'd like to state my opinions on this topic.
I don't believe that anything has its own energy except for that in which the environment inputs. The energy which the environment inputs comes from the forth dimension (the aether, the vacuum or whatever you know it by). I believe that someone who doesn't understand this or knows this and doesn't word it properly would say that the magnet contains energy. Change 'contains' with 'entrains' and I think you'll find that both different opinions are correct.
@ All
I agree that people shouldn't jump to conclusions but this one has me stumped for many decades, how does this work?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4794.msg101225#msg101225
Here you have the perfect example (albeit very simple) of work being done in both space and time through gravity using magnetism!
Yeah I know it won't power our houses but I still think that magnetism and electricity whether from rotating magnets around coils or as electrically induced is still the key to OU, otherwise motors wouldn't work ;D
Maybe what we need is solid proof that energy is in a steady state of balance until unbalanced to gain advantage of the vacuum energy ;D
Regards,
Paul
Hi Goat,
I have achieve the same effect in a different way.
I had a square speaker magnets and 2 plates of mu metal that were on each poles. I tried to stack the 2 plates on top of the magnet when I saw that the top one was at an angle, just touching at one edge.
I gave the magnet with the 2 plates to my son-in-law but I'll check if I have a picture. Easy to replicate too.
Take care
EDIT: The 2 plates were square too.
Quote from: nightlife on October 09, 2008, 09:13:45 PM
As A matter of fact, that alone would prove that magnets have energy.
Would prove.... but you didn't.
You have failed in just proving that.
Quote from: utilitarian on October 09, 2008, 11:16:14 PM
Gravity is not energy. It is just a force. What provided the energy is whatever lifted the ball to the top of the building.
Hi :)
I am glad to see somebody is awake.
You have posted the correct answer.
Thanks.
Quote from: Raui on October 09, 2008, 11:47:20 PM
I don't wish to add any more tension to this topic but I'd like to state my opinions on this topic.
I don't believe that anything has its own energy except for that in which the environment inputs. The energy which the environment inputs comes from the forth dimension (the aether, the vacuum or whatever you know it by). I believe that someone who doesn't understand this or knows this and doesn't word it properly would say that the magnet contains energy. Change 'contains' with 'entrains' and I think you'll find that both different opinions are correct.
Correct.
Marco.
The standard line is that magnetic fields contain energy, but by themselves they do no work. The goal of many "free energy" enthusiasts is to "cheat" or ingeniously violate the second part of that assumption. The most promising approach in this vein, imho, is to exploit the phenomenon of magnetic reconnection.
"Permanent" magnets need to be heated above their curie point and subjected to an external field in order to align the magnetic domains within the lattice, which then remain aligned when cooled. In principle, this energy can be extracted at a later time by cleverly degaussing the magnet. This is not a very efficient way to store usable energy.
However, magnets DO alter the character of the space in their vicinity. They trap magnetic field lines. When you move a magnet, it drags the magnetic field with it. If you move it past a coil, it changes the magnetic flux through the coil, and this pushes a current in the wire. In this case, we have mechanical energy input --(movement of the magnet and coil relative to each other)-- which is converted to electrical energy.
Rotating magnetic fields don't exist?? Nonsense! Take a magnet. Rotate it. QED. Sprinkle some iron filings or use some magnetic viewing film to witness a spectacle which looks exactly like a magnetic field which rotates. It looks that way because it IS a rotating magnetic field. Duh.
Magnetic reconnection is a poorly understood phenomenon wherein the "magnetic fields do no work" axiom appears to falter. One of the Maxwell equations tells us that "magnetic field lines never end". Another tells us "magnetic field lines can never cross". In a plasma medium, however, magnetic flux can become trapped in "flux tubes", which can become twisted and entangled. The principle that the field lines cannot cross each other is preserved, and under certain circumstances, this can cause entangled flux tubes to become more and more tightly wound. At a certain point, a remarkable thing happens: The magnetic field spontaneously "reconnects" and assumes a simpler configuration. This is accompanied by a concomitant release of the energy stored in the magnetic field. (typically in the form of a number of energetic solitons). In a way, this is analogous to the situation in the permanent magnet, in that the energy stored by the material which hosts the "trapped" magnetic field can be released when subjected to suitable stress. This phenomenon happens in the sun. It is responsible for sunspots, flares, and cme's. It happens in the earth's magnetosphere. It happens in the ionosphere. It happens in thunderstorms. I suspect it happened in Tesla's magnetically-quenched spark-gap experiments (which produced ball lightning).
Superconductors can store energy in the form of a trapped magnetic field. If a superconductor is subjected to an external magnetic field as it crosses the critical temperature from normal to superconducting, the magnetic field is trapped in the material as long as it remains superconducting. Extracting the energy is as simple as placing a coil around the superconductor and allowing the material to cross the critical temperature. The collapsing magnetic field returns its energy to the coil.
Solid-state matter such as mu-metal and other alloys, ceramics, and nanomaterials interact with magnetic fields in remarkable ways. Perhaps the reconnection phenomenon (which may be a manifestation of Mach's principle), can be coaxed-out by some arrangement of such materials.
OK, that was a long way of saying that "magnetic field energy" is a valid concept. Call it photon flux from moving electrons if you like, but it's still energy, any way you slice it.
@zerotensor:
What do you think of the faraday paradox then ? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5662 To me this indicates that there is no such thing as a spinning magnetic field in the way you're thinking. Rather when I spin a magnet its actually spinning the aether causing a vortex in the aether which I believe is the thing which interacts with copper wires to induces the aether to do work for us (aka. electricty).
Quote from: Raui on October 10, 2008, 03:51:21 AM
@zerotensor:
What do you think of the faraday paradox then ? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5662 To me this indicates that there is no such thing as a spinning magnetic field in the way you're thinking. Rather when I spin a magnet its actually spinning the aether causing a vortex in the aether which I believe is the thing which interacts with copper wires to induces the aether to do work for us (aka. electricty).
Ah, good point-- the permanent magnet does not trap the field lines, per se. Rather, it fixes the orientation and density of the magnetic field lines. If you do the same experiment with the magnets each rotated 90 degrees, you will see both spin, of course. It was this situation wherein the magnetic field and the axis of rotation are not in the same direction that I was considering in my discussion.
When the magnetic field is aligned with the rotation axis, as in a homopolar generator, an electric field is induced in the space between the center and the periphery of the rotating magnet. This rather surprising result has vast conceptual ramifications. Personally, I prefer to appeal to Mach's principle and to the geometry of spacetime to help think about it. More conventionally, one can use the Lorentz law, or resort to a quantum-mechanical analysis of the conduction electrons within the lattice to explain the phenomenon. Viewing magnetism as a particular character of spacetime itself is similar to your concept of "aether vortices".
In the unified model I am developing, the electromagnetic field is identified with the helicity of spacetime -- within the framework of general relativity. I think that this is, on its surface, conceptually compatible with the aether concepts to which you allude.
Part of the confusion here is that there are many models, many different ways of understanding electromagnetism. I take an approach which attempts to explain the situation from a synthetic understanding of the various models and the observed physical systems they represent. I simultaneously ingest a grain of salt, so-to-speak, when doing so, (as should everyone).
Michelinho,
QuoteBy resonance you can destroy a bridge, a building and no added power is needed for any of those, time is the factor. It would be one way to achieve more with a lot less.
Resonance is a vibration but the problem with that is as you stated, they destroy things when their resonance level of composure is reached. This is one reason why it is illegal for use to use a certain level and above of frequency's.
I think that for us to reach the desired sweet frequency, would mean the destruction of most everything we have including our own body's so therefore we would never be able to reach that frequency.
John plays has been known to play with a lot of those frequency's and he has recorded some of his experiments showing the splitting, twisting and lifting of metal and other objects. The lifting alone is proof that vibrations are energy and that gravity itself is energy because he applies energy to the object which is aligned with the objects energy stronger then gravity is therefore superseding gravity's affect.
QuoteCold fusion could do that with great efficiency but fission, too hazardous with our limited knowledge.
True and that is the problem we have, we are too limited with knowledge meaning that we do not explore enough outside of the box that we have been placed in. Our governments have a lot to do with that but then again, if our governments didn't keep us in the box, we would have a bunch of people playing with illegal frequency's and destroying things or splitting atoms and blowing up city's.
One thing that bothers me is that our governments may already know what we are trying to figure out and they are suppressing it due to big money involvement in our governments. The more and more I research, the more I believe that some do know but are not telling.
We are limited on what we can experiment with and I think that is actually what is keeping us from achieving what we all are trying to achieve.
utilitarian, any force is a energy just as any draw is a energy because you can not have either if a energy isn't present. Energy creates them and therefore they contain energy.
We must think about what energy really is. It can not be anything other then a vibration. Some call it ather and I think they do so because they can not figure out what it is. It is like calling our creator a God but yet no one has ever seen this God and or heard from this god.
Some say it comes from another dimension but that again is just a copout and goes against my common sense. Gods, ather and other dominions are all fairytales just as a electron being a substance is.
We have never seen a electron but we have seen traces, the traces are nothing more then a vibration but we are led to believe the vibration is a trace of the electron. We then say that a electron is a solid and it flows through solids. That to me is another fairy tale. We also say that all solids are pores and the electrons flow through the pores but again that is another fairytale because even if it did flow through the pores, the pores are not and can not be in straight lines and therefore it would hit resistance creating hot spots in it's line of travel.
In our search for free energy, we must use common sense in doing so. This is why we must not rely on what others have said and we must start with what energy really is.
Energy can not be anything other then a vibration that creates pulses that create other vibrations. The initial start had to be a pulse that started from the collision of two resistances but then that takes us back to what created the first resistance because something can not be created from nothing and it takes energy to create something. This is where are belief in a god come from and it has spanned into the religions we have today. We do not need to know how it started, we just need to know how it continued to grow.
Right now we can utilize collapsing fields to capture unused energy and we can use thermal panels to capture the energy from the heat that motors create but we have yet to be able to use one vibration to create more of the same vibrance and that is what we must learn to do if we want to achieve true over unity. Using one vibration to release vibrations stored in solids is not true over unity, it is nothing more then using the solid as a fuel like we do coal, oil and others. Gases, liquids and even air should be thought of as solids because all of them are made up of substances. A atom is a substance and the only thing I can think of that is not a substance is a vibration. Wind is nothing more then a vibration that is created by two energy's that resist each other. That vibration contains vibrations that are trapped between the resistance vibrations and causes that vibration to flow away from the two resistances it is trapped between and in return we get wind because the air in the wind consist of both vibrations that create the resistance. This comes from the earth rotation. When the earth faces the sun, the suns vibrance is more vibrant then the earths and when the earths vibrance is repelled away from the earth and the suns is repelled away from the sun so we have two vibrations moving in two different directions, the air absorbs these vibrations and therefore we end up with air that has the earths vibration direction and air that has the suns vibration direction and where they collide, we have air that contains both vibration directions creating a magnetic field that resist both vibrations and the result of the resistance is wind. We must remember that vibrations operate in pulses and that is what controls the wind. It's like a pulse motor. We control the pulses that make it turn and the more pulses we supply, the stronger it is and the less pulses we supply the weaker it is. The stronger the pulse, the faster it moves, the weaker the pulse the slower it moves. When more resistance is added, the slower is moves and the weaker the movement is. The more resistance we take away, the faster it moves and the stronger the movement becomes.
The sooner that we realize that vibrations are the core to our existence, the sooner we will be able to start researching properly and the sooner we start researching properly, the sooner we will achieve what we all are trying to achieve. There is much left to be discovered and we will not discover it until we start researching properly.
Smell is based on vibrations.
Sound is based on vibrations,
Touch is based on vibrations.
Sight is based on vibrations.
Vibrations are created by pulses and you can not create a pulse without creating a vibration and all vibrations fade away but when they hit a resistance, they create another pulse which creates another vibration. We have to continuously feed a vibration with the same pulse stength to have a steady vibration of the same vibrance.
Man my head hurts. LOL
Live in a house like mine. Large with several stairs. Turn on the air conditioner. Leave it on all day. . go upstairs. Measure the temperature. Measure the barometer level. Go downstairs measure temperature and barometer. Watch the weather. When hot, check temperature and barometer pressure. When cold, check barometer. Record your results. Look it up and become educated. What does it mean?
Fill two balloons with helium. Put one in a cold room and one in a hot room, or put one in the freezer and one in a room with a blasting furnace. Measure the level of the helium balloons before and after being in these conditions. Compare it to the one you did not make drastic changes.(Set up a control, a balloon that does not get colder and does not get hotter at a temperature all three balloons start at.) (Keep in mind that helium is used alpha particles and will eventually leak out of your balloons, so you must do this in a short amount of time). I learned the hard way that cold effects the helium when I blew 20 balloons up in a cold room, only to have them fall onto the table within an hour. Darn. The kids at the 4-H did not want them :'(
Here is another: Place a balloon over the mouth of each plastic bottle. Leave one bottle out as your control.
Fill up one container with very hot water. Fill up the other container with a little ice and some cold water.
Place the experimental bottle in the container of cold water and hold it there for roughly 1 minute. (Another option is to place the bottle in a freezer for 1 minute.) Note the size of the balloon compared to the control balloon.
Place the experimental bottle in the container of hot water for 1 minute. (Another option is to carefully hold the bottle under running hot tap water.) Note the size of the balloon compared to the control balloon.
Again, place the experimental bottle in the pan of cold water and hold for 30 seconds.
Ponder this, then study weather.
Take natural gas( as in for fuel). cool it down, Notice it compresses Cool it down until you get liquid. Thus LNG. Notice it takes less space. Hmmmm. But be careful. LNG is extremely explosive. (liquified natural gas).
There is a Utube magnet/battery that is shown and a copper wire wrapped around it to make it spin. Ok. so I made some. 1 1/2 hour later, it quit. I did it again. 1 1/2 hour later it quit. So my sons and I made a whole bunch but tried different magnets, and different shapes and thcknesses of copper wire. None lasted 2 hours. So my whole Research class attempted it. Same results. Flip the magnets, the copper wire changes direction, but the time is still the same. It quits. The magnet did not produce the energy, but did cause changes in the direction of the spin. (There is a model on a quantum computer that shows relationships of magnetic poles and when they switch that is interesting but I can't seem to find it right now.) Ok. Now look up Tom Bearden, who gives an excellent explanation of where this energy comes from.
http://vimeo.com/1166968 just for kicks
Just for fun http://www.cngwarehouse.com/
Quote from: nightlife on October 11, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
utilitarian, any force is a energy just as any draw is a energy because you can not have either if a energy isn't present. Energy creates them and therefore they contain energy.
I do not follow. Energy is force times distance. So you can clearly have force but no energy, like when distance moved is zero.
If force was energy like you say, then having a working gravity wheel would be child's play. No harder than putting up a wind turbine and watching it spin under a continuous gust of wind. But that is not how things are. There are no "gravity waves".
nightlife
My technological education did not come from my school or any college, I learned by experimentation and then confirmed through text book, magnets even the most powerful ones contain very little energy, they are a relativistic force much like a spring, to get any work out of them you have to put work in, when you sweep a magnet past a coil, it is not transferring energy to the coil, it is creating a current flow in the wire by moving and aligning electrons within that wire but it can only do this while the magnet moves, as soon as the magnet stops the alignment ceases and no more current flow.
Magnetic spin does not mean particles spinning constantly in a magnet, it means they can be spun to change alignment which of course takes energy, who'd of thunk it.
Quote from: utilitarian on October 15, 2008, 12:44:17 AM
I do not follow. Energy is force times distance. So you can clearly have force but no energy, like when distance moved is zero.
If force was energy like you say, then having a working gravity wheel would be child's play. No harder than putting up a wind turbine and watching it spin under a continuous gust of wind. But that is not how things are. There are no "gravity waves".
Not quite, utilitatian. *Work* is force times distance. Work has units of energy, but the two are not synonymous. Energy in this context can be understood as the capacity to do work.
Force is mass times acceleration, so you can clearly not have a *net* force when distance is moved to zero.
Say you step up to a brick wall and push as hard as you can. The wall doesn't move. After a couple of minutes of this, you have expended a great deal of energy, however, there hasn't been any work done on the wall. Where did the energy go? It heated up your muscles, deformed your hands and feet, etc. You could say you applied a force to the wall, but it pushed back with a force which exactly matched your push. The two cancel. Just as when you stand on the ground, the gravitational force pulls you down with the same strength as the earth pushes back. Zero net force, zero work, but gravitational energy there all the while (balanced by the electrostatic energy which repels your feet from the ground). It gets semantical after a while, but my point is that the distinction between work and energy is important to keep in mind.
As for gravity waves, since I believe that the geometry of spacetime is dynamic, the existence of waves within this fabric is almost certain. I actually think that a photon is a special kind of "wavelet" in the geometry of spacetime. The geometry of spacetime underlies the phenomenon called gravity, so I guess in this context I have to disagree with you on the non-existence of gravity waves. We see them all the time-- indeed without them we couldn't see at all!
GeoscienceStudent, I am not sure why you asked me to do those experiments unless you wanted me to explain how they fall under my theory.
A high pressure and a low pressure is measured by the pressure above the pressure and they can be called a positive (High) and a negative (low). They are measured by the difference in the pressure on the top and the bottom. When the bottom is lower and the top is higher, you have a high pressure and when the bottom is high and the top is low, you have a low pressure. A upward vibrant flow creates a high pressure and a downward vibrant flow creates a low pressure.
As for the helium balloons, helium flows in the direction of the vibrance. heat is more vibrant the cold and therefore would rise in a heated room and would not in a cold room. Cold is a negative vibrant and heat is a positive vibrant.
As for the water bottles and balloons, one is filled with a positive vibrance and we all know that water splits into oxygen and hydrogen at the rate of 18 to 1 when a vibrance is added and therefore would expand in a air tight container. The cold water would not expand in a air tight container.
When you heat something up, it will contract because you are releasing vibrations, when you cool something down, it will expand because it is absorbing vibrations, but when air and gases are heated, they expand but they will contract when cooled and if cooled enough, they will contract into a liquid. This one reason why you find it to rain more at night around the equator then during the day.
Now for the homopolar motor, the energy is stored in the battery, the magnet draws the energy to together and do to neither poles being fixed to the wire, the wire will move and the direction it moves is based which pole the magnet is placed on.
So you see, my theory still holds.
utilitarian, please refer to zerotensor's last post because he explained a lot better then I ever could.
RunningBare,
Quotewhen you sweep a magnet past a coil, it is not transferring energy to the coil, it is creating a current flow in the wire by moving and aligning electrons within that wire but it can only do this while the magnet moves, as soon as the magnet stops the alignment ceases and no more current flow.
I disagree because if that was true, the wire would eventually use up all the so called electrons you are talking about. The magnet is used to create a vibration and the continued motion keeps the vibration vibrant and the faster the motion is applied, the more vibrant the vibration becomes.
QuoteMagnetic spin does not mean particles spinning constantly in a magnet, it means they can be spun to change alignment which of course takes energy, who'd of thunk it.
I don't recall a stating a magnetic spin consist of constantly spinning particles. I did say that magnets consist of two vibrations flowing in opposite directions that are attracted to the core of the magnet and when they collide in the middle, they create another vibration and that cycle continues until the vibrations fade away and or are absorbed by a substance the vibration has a attraction to.
Nightlife, you say that those who use the term aether use it because we just can't figure out what energy is, much like people and god, however you talk about vibrations and my question to you is in which medium do these vibrations occur? Its only logical they require a medium and to say they don't is like the absolutely absurd notion that electromagnetic waves don't require a medium to travel.
Regards,
Raui
Quote from: nightlife on October 15, 2008, 03:34:01 AM
RunningBare,
I disagree because if that was true, the wire would eventually use up all the so called electrons you are talking about. The magnet is used to create a vibration and the continued motion keeps the vibration vibrant and the faster the motion is applied, the more vibrant the vibration becomes.
Oh dear, firstly it takes about 16 years for a single electron to travel 1 foot length of wire, they are not used up, they are in essence recycled through a
circuit the
load, no circuit, no load, no movement, accept at the quantum level where the atoms are agitated by ambient temperatures.
Quote
I don't recall a stating a magnetic spin consist of constantly spinning particles. I did say that magnets consist of two vibrations flowing in opposite directions that are attracted to the core of the magnet and when they collide in the middle, they create another vibration and that cycle continues until the vibrations fade away and or are absorbed by a substance the vibration has a attraction to.
I refer you to the spring, but I do not think your going to accept this anyway, so I'll leave you to it, good luck in finding that energy in a magnet, your going to need it.
If energy is in a magnet, then why is the "magnetic field" outside the magnet?
What is this "magnetic field"? It appears as a region of space with certain properties, but how is it that empty space can have different properties?
Marco:
I can't make heads or tails out of nightlife's explanations. Can you explain if he doesn't?
Or maybe it's still me. I'll try again:
Nightlife, when something contracts due to cold and slows down, it becomes more dense. One is relative to the other. CNG is simply a condensed form of natural gas. It is also more dense than natural gas. LNG is more dense than gasous form of Natural gas. When it heats up it expands and is less dense. One is relative to the other. But also depends on what it is made up of. Oceanic plates are more dense than Continental plates, thus when they come against each other, the Oceanic will subduct under the Continental plate. Cold air (with the water vapor) is more dense due to the kinetic energy thus it will lower. And the heat (water vapor) will rise. (Now I'm talking about the wind cycle because the high altitudes of the Earth's atmosphere is cold. The pressure is lower. It also has less water vapor. Just take a ride in a biplane and see. Or you can be like me and go parachuting to have some fun). The barometric pressure measures the atmospheric mass. And yes it does lower when you go higher. You'll have trouble breathing up there, too. But I don't understand your flow explanation. If the air is hot and rises, your lower pressure on the ground will be LoW and also the density and also the atmospheric mass. If the Air is cooler, the air pressure on the ground will be HIGH, also the density, also the atmospheric mass. Not due to the temperature. Due to the density. If air rises yes it lowers pressure as it is higher, but also cools down, and vice versa. Temperature and pressure are relative. High temp would be higher pressure but for the atmospheric elevation, the temperature goes down, energy is released, and the pressure goes down, and so does the water vapor...down down down to the ground as a liquid. Check out the meteorology report next time you see a high pressure front against a low pressure front and notice the temperatures. Then notice where the rain is. Then check the barometric pressure. Convection causing transpiration and evaporation causes hot air to move upward. As it reaches greater heights, it will cool down, (Kinetic energy lowers), condense into liquid and release its water, causing rain, or snow. As something goes from hot to cooler energy is released. Happens in water currents also. Water currents are warmer on top though, due to the sun, and cooler below. One current moves one direction, the other, the opposite. There is some study to try to harness the energy released as the water goes from warm to cold. .Precipitation cannot occur unless there is water in the air, and some way to cool that water (water vapor which can be higher in heat than in cold air). High latitudes where the air is cold has little moisture, thus little precipitation. Some places of low latitudes have little mechanism for cooling thus no precipitation even though there is water vapor, such as in some places in Peru. In orographic rain it moves up a mountain, cools, releases its water, then as it gusts downward on the other side it is dry because it already had released its water. But we made it rain in class by lowering the temperature while it had a high humidity. Fun watching rain droplets fall all over your books and equipment. (Especially while hitting each other with the psychrometer) The humidity was pretty high so the dew point (temperature at which you get rain relative to the humidity factor) was high so we got rain at a pretty decent temperature.
(Keep in mind, Earth also emits energy). But also there are Hadley cells moving the air to the lower or higher latitudes and according to the Corialis effect of the spin of the Earth. Cooler air on the other side of these cells will fall, called the trade winds. Between these cells, because there is another set of cells further up, is the horse latitudes or dead horse zone. No WIND. NONE at all. Sailors used to get trapped in these areas, pray for the wind, and run out of food and water, start fighting, they would throw off their horses to lighten the load etc. This is why the name "horse latitudes." Sailors wanted to follow the trade winds, not stagnation. These latitudes shift as the Earth revolves around the sun, causing the main reflection of the sun to move southward or northward, depending on where the Earth is at the time Tilt end North towards the sun vs tilt end South towards the sun or somewhere in between. (Not the sun's movement, the Earth's movement)
A fun way to find the vapor pressure, relative humidity and temperature of the dew point is with a sling psychrometer, (dry and wet bulb thermometers) but don't do like we did and hit each other with it while twirling it around. A few reportedly got busted because they are made of glass. Oops. :o
I don't think we're really disagreeing but your language and mine are not connecting. "?Que' es?" "Es un libro." "No, no it's a book." "No it's not, its a bundle of papers." No, son papeles." "No estupido, es de arboles." "No, it's from trees." "No tenga razo'n. Es de la libreri'a." "Liar, it's from the book store." "Esta' un burro. Es un libro." "Daggone it! I'm telling you, it's a book!"
Hydrogen and Oxygen splitting when water becomes gas? Where are you getting this? They are still water molecules in gas form. (water vapor) Unless you're referring to an electrolysis process?
Hot causing contraction and Cold causing expansion? In what way? give an example. Even metal will expand when heated. Now when ice freezes it expands but that is due to another issue. Unless you're talking about when you burn something. Or use energy to break something down such as proteins into amino acids in the body.
Now the battery: Yes, that was my deduction, that the energy was due to the battery, not the magnet. My next step is to test Dr. Adam's magnetic motor to see how long the lightbulb lasts, if it indeed lights. I've had two hypothesis thrown at me:
1) The magnetic rotation will slow down once it is being used for energy source. ( a further one suggests losing magnetic pull of the magnets)
2) You get large amounts of energy that lasts forever; free energy. Then one would wonder why do magnets, although lasts a long time, not forever? If something is causing them to not last, would say using them for energy make them last even less time?
I'm skeptical. My brothers already tried it and said it didn't work.
I've just got to order the right kind of magnets.
PS Hope I didn't confuse anyone. Pressure and temperature are relative. Atmosphere elevation and pressure are inversely relative. Density and mass into the equation, The colder higher density, high pressure air moving down against a low pressure lower density hot area causing wind. All this is related to kinetic energy but the kinetic energy is related to the heat source of the sun (and some the Earth)
Next time we have a hurricane, study the pressure and temperature readings, and watch how the front moves. Now let's throw a jet stream in there and botch the whole thing up. :o
Raui, please bare with me for a bit and I will get back to your question.
RunningBare, "Oh dear, firstly it takes about 16 years for a single electron to travel 1 foot length of wire, they are not used up, they are in essence recycled through a circuit the load, no circuit, no load, no movement, accept at the quantum level where the atoms are agitated by ambient temperatures."
LOL, no one has even seen a electron and you are saying it can only travel so far? How can we know it can even travel if we haven't even seen it. Are you religious?
QuoteI refer you to the spring, but I do not think your going to accept this anyway, so I'll leave you to it, good luck in finding that energy in a magnet, your going to need it.
The core of a magnet is iron, energy flows though it because of the attraction energy has to the core and the resistance it has to energy that flows in the opposite direction.
Grumpy, please refer to my reply to Runningbare as my answer to your question.
GeoscienceStudent,
QuoteBut also depends on what it is made up of.
That is the key to how cold and heat affects substances. Substances are made up of different atoms and some atoms react differently to energy then others do which depends on the amount of energy that is stored in the atoms. Atoms with more stored energy will be harder to get a divorce then those who have less stored energy will. Heat causes excitement and individuality and cold creates laziness and marriage. LOL, I thought that was a good example to use and make it easy to understand. The harder and heavier the substance, the more energy it's atoms have stored. The softer and lighter, the less energy its atoms have stored.
Quotebut for the atmospheric elevation, the temperature goes down, energy is released, and the pressure goes down, and so does the water vapor.
I disagree because energy is only released from a atoms magnetic field when it is excited more then the excitement the field has and it attracts and stores energy that is not vibrant enough to escape a atoms magnetic field when it is cooled.
A example would be the effect heat has on a the magnetic field of a magnet. When heated, it looses it's magnetic affect but when cooled it regains it's magnetic affect unless it is heated enough to release all of it's energy in the magnetic field. Once all the energy in the field is completely released, it is no longer a magnet.
QuoteI don't think we're really disagreeing but your language and mine are not connecting.
I will admit that I am uneducated with the words most here use as well as I am not well educated on the different terms used but I am trying to learn. I do think that we do have some disagreements regardless of my ability to explain my thoughts properly but I will start trying to do so better. I do have to rely on the dictionary quite often. LOL
QuoteHydrogen and Oxygen splitting when water becomes gas? Where are you getting this? They are still water molecules in gas form. (water vapor) Unless you're referring to an electrolysis process?
Electrolysis is made possible by exciting the energy stored in the molecules magnetic field which will release it's attraction to the molecules that makes up the water molecule. The separated molecules will still retain their magnetic field until they are excited enough to release the energy from their magnet field which will then separate the atoms that make up that molecule. We can go one further and excite a atom's magnetic field enough to release it's energy in which we have found to be quite a abundance of energy unlike the energy in any other magnetic field.
WOW, I cant believe I just figured that out. That means that atoms are just a magnetic field and their differences are based on the vibrance that their magnetic fields energy has like different sounds and smells have. Therefore a electron is actually a vibration that moves in one direction and a proton is a vibration that moves in the opposite direction and the nucleus is just a smaller atom that contains a magnetic field and when it is excited, we end up with a nuclear reaction which emits more energy then exciting the atom does.
There you have it, energy is a vibration and substances are magnetic fields that are made up of vibrations and that is why we can alter a substance by applying a vibration to them.
The vibrance of energy is based on the strength of a pulse and the strength of the pulse is based on the vibrance of the colliding energy's that created the pulse.
I want to thank all of you who added to this and other threads that I have been apart of. I also want to thank those who have put up with my way of learning what I have learned. There is still much to learn but at least now I have a place to start from.
First I had to figure out what energy was, then I had to figure out how it was created. I have now done that but I discovered some things along the way that will take some time to fully understand so I can figure out a way to release the energy that is stored in them and then store that energy in a more user friendly storage unit and or a way to use that energy directly. Any help and or comments would be nice and appreciated.
JUST TAP IT ... CONVERT IT .... USE IT
ALL ELSE IS A WASTE OF TIME
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yes this is COSMIC RAYS charged particles ..if u like... moveing faster than the speed of light as light is the result of this engery slowing down...
this is the verry wheel work of nature and we just taped it
HOW ABOUT THAT!?!?!?!?!
who would a thought ... rotation is a ruse .... smoke and mirros
pinch her she BITES BACK
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I ADD THIS ... sure looks like a bunch of 3rd eye blinds round the net!!! eh marco....
Nightlife you have a free energy device? Do you have a video?
there might be no such thing as "energy for nothing".
but there are many devices which "produce more energy than they consume".
these devices all have limitations, on how much "excess energy" they can produce.
but the excess energy, IS an energy profit.
Quote from: nightlife on October 06, 2008, 10:02:21 PM
We can not expect to get free energy out of a perpetual motion design unless it continues to speed up to the point of self destruction. If a load is added to a perpetual motion design that has a steady rpm, it will eventually come to a halt regardless of the size of the load.
You must also remember that a load is a resistance and there for any resistance will bring any perpetual motion design to halt if the perpetual motion can only achieve a certain steady rpm.
Free energy comes from free motion that a motion creates that is greater the motion that created it and a steady perpetual motion is a motion that uses 1/2 of it's motion to create the other 1/2 of the motion. A perpetual motion that will exceed to the point of self destruction is a motion that creates more of a motion then it uses.
Therefore, if you have a perpetual motion design that will not accelerate to the point of self destruction with out a added load, it will not create any free energy.
sad that you have so many posts and do not understand fe. or you had a glitch on this one.
lets say device can generate 100W from no input. if rotating slow at first friction consumes let'say 5W when rotating faster friction will consume 20W. even faster 50W, and fastes is when friction equalizezs with max oputput of device. so you have max RPM for that device that doesn't have to be selfdestruct rpm. instead of friction you can use load. same thing.
energies equalizezs and it is very far from selfdestruct. free energy doesn't have to give infinite ammount of energy per time.if this is just glitch - post some more. if you really believe in this selfdestruct theory of yours, please do not post anymore. cause It just isn't So.
don't get this wrong, finding FE and OU is very serious thing to be stoped with such a loosy theory of yours.
please say you tought it wrong - cause you did.
Wiz
nitinnun,
Quote"but there are many devices which "produce more energy than they consume"."
Sorry, but you are wrong. There is no such device nor can there be. You can not create a equal and or larger vibration then the vibration used to create it. You can however collect vibrations and use the collection to create a equal and or larger vibration then one of the collected vibrations did.
wizkycho,
Quote"lets say device can generate 100W from no input. if rotating slow at first friction consumes let'say 5W when rotating faster friction will consume 20W. even faster 50W, and fastes is when friction equalizezs with max oputput of device. so you have max RPM for that device that doesn't have to be selfdestruct rpm. instead of friction you can use load. same thing. energies equalizezs and it is very far from selfdestruct. free energy doesn't have to give infinite ammount of energy per time."
Think about what you said here and remember that friction is always a factor, even at the start and it grows as the power created grows and they are just as equal at the start as they are at the end unless a resistance is added by way of the design and or physical input. Once a design reaches a steady rpm, it is consuming what is produced and if it didn't, it would continue to speed up until it self destructed.
We may be able to apply a resistance to a steady rpm that will just lower the rpm to lower steady rate but we can not produce more then what is being used even if we think we are using nothing.
Over unity is impossible to achieve because you can not create a vibration that is equal and or larger then one that is used to create the vibration unless you are using one vibration to release multiple vibrations that have been collected and stored.
Quote"if you really believe in this selfdestruct theory of yours, please do not post anymore. cause It just isn't So."
I am sorry but it is so and if you can prove me wrong, please do so and if you cant, then maybe you shouldn't post anymore. A true over unity design would self destruct if over unity was possible.
We must stay focused on finding cheap efficient ways to utilize energy that is stored in atoms all around us.
there is no greater WASTE in the universe,
than to say that something is impossible.
if it is, than it is.
if it is not, than you are crippling your time, effort, motivation, creativity, and research effectiveness.
and that of OTHER PEOPLE, as well.
you lose, yet do not gain.
it is the ultimate sucker-bet.
it is perpetual NON-motion.
Quote from: nitinnun on October 21, 2008, 08:44:32 PM
there is no greater WASTE in the universe,
than to say that something is impossible.
if it is, than it is.
if it is not, than you are crippling your time, effort, motivation, creativity, and research effectiveness.
and that of OTHER PEOPLE, as well.
you lose, yet do not gain.
it is the ultimate sucker-bet.
it is perpetual NON-motion.
It is not always the quest, but what you find, discover, or invent from the quest.
@nightlife
you wrote
Quote
Think about what you said here and remember that friction is always a factor, even at the start and it grows as the power created grows and they are just as equal at the start as they are at the end unless a resistance is added by way of the design and or physical input. Once a design reaches a steady rpm, it is consuming what is produced and if it didn't, it would continue to speed up until it self destructed.
friction is always a factor (yes), It grows as RPM grows (not as power created grows). at RPM max (this is with no load - use just friction for load) or steady RPM it is consuming what is produced...(this is correct)
and if you put little more outside load RPM will fall down, but It will stop only if LOAD is too big.
think of constant LOAD and constant friction like stronger constant friction. constant load completely acts like friction.
so no selfdestruction and no stoping. device works and can give constant ammount of FE.
OU device is another thing. Practically Means closing the loop - Output of Free energy Device connected to Input of that device. If loop is closed then theoretically energy can be multiplied and multiplied again....to infinity but only if you make a such a device that can take that ammount of E
at input (and without some regulator). if don't Fe device will just disccard that input energy (selfstabilize) or energy will destroy input(depends on consrtruction). (yes you are right, selfdestroy, yes I tought of it before, sorry, I understand what you mean.)
Let's construct selfstabilizing OU or at least with regulator. is my conclusion. let's not make black hole.
Mainstream science as it seems will do that for us...
overaccelerating particles at CERN. >:(
Wiz